From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 01:25:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k915PrTY021794 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:25:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k915PoFB013888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:25:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k915OMXB034416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:24:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k915OIua009033; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k915OFiw008970 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2006 23:24:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c5d.41cca4b (48600) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:24:05 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:24:04 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT....another Christmas Carol To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5125 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 451F515E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 01:25:53 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 02e395b0-46ca-458c-845d-2e44c15195b4 Status: RO I'd be happy to share my script and song list with anyone wanting to recreate a Victorian parlour and present these terrific pieces-- Ruth Anne Baumgarter scholar gypsy and amateur costumer I would love to have a copy of your production script! I am always looking for something theatrical to do for that time that is not a straight Nativity play or just A Christmas Carol. This would be something different enough to be new for most people. Thanks a lot. Donna Scarfe (Mistress Felicity) Fyne Hats By Felicity Period Headgear for Past Ages www.fynehatsbyfelicity.com 719 52nd Street Des Moines, IA 50312 (515) 225-1830 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 02:37:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k916bRDt023416 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:37:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k916bO9e000632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:37:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k916adqC041158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:36:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k916aaDe043240; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k916aW0g043202 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 00:36:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6931D38A9F for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:36:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 15rh century embroidery site Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:36:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <503E5960-AD4E-4013-A224-FD2E9B8F5EE4@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 451F6224.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 02:37:27 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 176664d6-8abf-4b28-bbbe-3be9399095c8 Status: RO Which ones are your artwork? De -----Original Message----- >> http://medieval.webcon.net.au/period_15th_c.html > > It's a very nice extensive site ... a pity the site owner is still using some of my original art on it without attribution or permission after I directly asked for it to be removed. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 04:52:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k918qJQI002083 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 04:52:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k918qGfK028221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 04:52:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k918pLcM051382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k918p91j008408; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k918p6sc008389 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 02:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0071CCA00FE; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 08:44:55 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT....another Christmas Carol Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 01:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c6e536$c2988d10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <203475F4-4FEE-11DB-BCE4-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 451F81C0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 04:52:19 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2048677e-2ee9-4d76-82f0-02701d08f781 Status: RO I would love to have copies if you still have them. Dickens Fair is coming fast. Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT....another Christmas Carol My theater did a costumed (impressions only, ca. 1860--no budget!) reading of excerpts from SEVEN Dickens holiday things--Christmas Carol, The Chimes, two of the Sketches by Boz (Christmas Dinner and The New Year), Mr Pickwick's "Good Humoured Christmas Chapter," and the description of Christmas preparations in "Edwin Drood." We interspersed seasonal music from Dickens' time, including a melodramatic piece he wrote lyrics to called "The Ivy Green." VERY good time was had by all, and many said it was a shame that the only Dickens usually mentioned at Christmas was CC. I had flirted with branching out to include "Birds' Christmas Carol" too--yes, a wonderful tear-jerker--and "The Little Match Girl"--but one can do only so much, and it was nice to keep the focus on Dickens anyway. I'd be happy to share my script and song list with anyone wanting to recreate a Victorian parlour and present these terrific pieces--hearing them read aloud demonstrates that Dickens wrote for that very possibility--they're very dramatic and lively in the mouth of a good actor....several of the audience, not relatives, came up and HUGGED the cast members afterward....! --Ruth Anne Baumgarter scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:58 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Speaking of Christmas Carols....as a literary genre... > > Anyone ever read "The Bird's Christmas Carol"? > > I remember it being a real tear jerker from my childhood. It's from > the 1890's I believe. Lemme look up the author.... > > Kate Douglas Wiggin > > > Whoa! You can read the whole thing here: > > _http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2? > id=WigBird.sgm&images=images/mod > eng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=teiHeader_ > (http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2? > id=WigBird.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/tex > ts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=teiHeader) > > Very sentimental. Someone should dramatize and do it....just for a > change. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 11:42:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91FgsOp019363 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:42:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91Fgp8u012969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:42:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91FgIc0097332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:42:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91FgBPs045646; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:42:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from blaster.systems.pipex.net (blaster.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91Fg7Un045567 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 09:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by blaster.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65C4E000109 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:42:01 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <451FE1A8.9040909@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:41:28 +0100 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT....another Christmas Carol References: <415.ae21039.324e9cb1@aol.com> <203475F4-4FEE-11DB-BCE4-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <203475F4-4FEE-11DB-BCE4-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 451FE1FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 11:42:54 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 5661e8f0-259a-48e1-827e-ef28188e7697 Status: RO Yes please ! Linda Walton, (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K., where I'm already desperate for something new to do at Christmas.) Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > (snip)I'd be happy to share my script and song list > with anyone wanting to recreate a Victorian parlour and present these > terrific pieces (snip) > > --Ruth Anne Baumgarter > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 14:38:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91IcDIf024027 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:38:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91Ic9ku003670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91IbO41017347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:37:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91IbLaq055568; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:37:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91IbHLS055465 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 12:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061001183709.CGJL449.fep35.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:37:09 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.160]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061001183709.ETGX3609.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:37:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c6e588$a55e4710$a014a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:37:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.160] at Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:37:07 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45200B12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:38:13 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 99f2870f-92c1-4ac2-9c35-da0a22d87aa5 Status: RO Hi, Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a little, and found this quote! 1617 "Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? That shelter all defects from head to heeles." Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. Whale bone wheels.......... How about that? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 15:40:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91JehYV025817 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:40:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91JebLi003633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:40:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91JdkPe025053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91Jd6LT099291; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91JcXM0098493 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26121 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:20:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:20:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. In-Reply-To: <000a01c6e588$a55e4710$a014a150@CPQ21932199711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452019B5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:40:43 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: a53a3237-d234-4c4d-abee-ffa42132ccb5 Status: RO On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel > farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. For those who came in late, some of the conversation is preserved on my webpage, here: http://www.netherton.net/robin (Every time this topic comes up, people ask for these posts, so I put them all in in one place.) And later conversations can be found by looking in the h-cost archives. > The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah > Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a > little, and found this quote! > > 1617 > "Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) > Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? > Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? > That shelter all defects from head to heeles." > Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. > > Whale bone wheels.......... How about that? That's indeed one of the small handful of citations Verna and I collected when we did our original research on this topic (which I do intend to get into print in the next few years, now that I have a place to publish it, but I have another paper to do first). It also has the distinction of being the first reference to a "wheel" that we could find, and the only one that dates from the period in which the style was worn. (The next one, from a play, is from 1664, and makes passing reference to the long-outdated fashion of "wheel vardingales.") Given that it's a satirical poem, using metaphor and picturesque language, I think we have to consider that the use of the word "wheel" could quite easily have been a logical reference to the visual effect of the style, as perceived by the viewer, rather than its construction. The term does not seem to be used in tailor's bills, inventories, or other documents written by who made, bought, or wore the garment -- those have large numbers of references to rolls, but never "wheels" that I've seen. (I will confess that I am relying on other people's research into such documents for these references; I haven't done the inventory-crawling myself. I do have a standing order for such references with various friends who have their heads in these documents, in case they spot any.) I suspect also this reference, or possibly the 1664 one, may be the source for English-speaking costume historians of the 18th and 19th centuries calling this a "wheel farthingale" -- so we have to be careful about circular logic. That is, if Strutt in 1792 said "this is called a wheel" because of two mentions in literature, and thus costume historians have since then assumed it was *built* in the form of a wheel, we don't want to now say that the same citations (the source of the term) prove the assumptions people have created based on that term. Of more interest is the reference to whalebone. We know that whalebone was used in corsets at this point. There are some inventory references to whalebone being bought and used for farthingales, too, from at least the 1590s and later. However, it does appear that whalebone was also used in the construction of rolls. Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe accounts describe rolls made of such fabric as damask, buckram, taffeta, and holland cloth, stuffed with cotton wool, and supported with whalebone, bent, or wire. (For citations regarding materials used in farthingales, see Arnold, _QEWU_, p. 196-198, and the Cunningtons' _Handbook of English Costume in the Sixteenth Century_, p. 161). A 1588 essay by Montaigne, as translated into English by John Florio in 1603, also mentions stuffing in combination with stiffening, referring to "stiffe bumbasted verdugals" ("bombasted" meaning "stuffed," so these were clearly rolls). (Montaigne is also quoted in Waugh, page 28.) None of the references specify just how those supports/stiffeners were used. They may have been used inside the roll to help hold its form, or they may have been placed on the surface. Verna and I found that boning around the outer channel of the roll was useful but not necessary; we didn't try boning on the inner edge (that is, against the waist) or as an interior support. It may be that the need for interior boning would become more obvious with constant wearing of a farthingale, something we have not done; I can imagine that a farthingale with a circular bone around the edge would hold its shape better over time. So we aren't sure about how the stiffening material is used in the rolls. What is clear, though, is that whalebone was used at least sometimes in rolls. The rolls are particularly well-documented as being referred to as "farthingales" in this period. "Wheels" is not a term that appears in these contexts, just in occasional male writer's poetic descriptions (and only one of those so far found from the period of the style). So, we didn't want to rest a case for a boned wheel construction on that one reference. Always happy to hear more evidence, though. We did try for a very long time to find support for the wheel construction ... that was how we started on this project. Everything we found, though, was consistent with the roll interpretation, which became stronger and stronger even as the "wheel" interpretation became weaker and weaker in the face of so many other references. Not trying to pick a fight here, just reporting what we've found so far. And there may be other data points to throw into the mix. I'd much rather get such bits and pieces of evidence before I write up a paper than after the fact, so if anyone has any other citations, etc. that would shed light on the wheel/roll thing, please let me know. Hypotheses are not set in stone; they need to be adjusted to match the data as it's assembled. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 16:39:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91KdQMN027502 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:39:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91KdMhK029187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:39:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91KcEWq031582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91KcCIM036342; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:38:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52809.mail.yahoo.com (web52809.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.252]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k91Kc9Qt036276 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46932 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Oct 2006 20:38:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B15nOV47QM0nNPLDYkLmOvF2e2Zlno1gdGjKKu4VesrXgWIh6pMqrJwnCoO93Zq3tK88wNSln7bWueL7gyQplGcWbNMzLFJ0wQsHOqLqqumIVJ1YNaKRUr5otCCGpzTWKmZgt9BDIfJQBqn1XWXmzc24ISo9gqbEfLl7Lw7LKyc= ; Message-ID: <20061001203804.46930.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.103.24.30] by web52809.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:38:04 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 13:38:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT....another Christmas Carol To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002f01c6e536$c2988d10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4520277A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:39:26 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3106dea4-784d-4549-9308-acf78a0de391 Status: RO Yes, I would be interested as well. Thanks. KP "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: I would love to have copies if you still have them. Dickens Fair is coming fast. Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT....another Christmas Carol My theater did a costumed (impressions only, ca. 1860--no budget!) reading of excerpts from SEVEN Dickens holiday things--Christmas Carol, The Chimes, two of the Sketches by Boz (Christmas Dinner and The New Year), Mr Pickwick's "Good Humoured Christmas Chapter," and the description of Christmas preparations in "Edwin Drood." We interspersed seasonal music from Dickens' time, including a melodramatic piece he wrote lyrics to called "The Ivy Green." VERY good time was had by all, and many said it was a shame that the only Dickens usually mentioned at Christmas was CC. I had flirted with branching out to include "Birds' Christmas Carol" too--yes, a wonderful tear-jerker--and "The Little Match Girl"--but one can do only so much, and it was nice to keep the focus on Dickens anyway. I'd be happy to share my script and song list with anyone wanting to recreate a Victorian parlour and present these terrific pieces--hearing them read aloud demonstrates that Dickens wrote for that very possibility--they're very dramatic and lively in the mouth of a good actor....several of the audience, not relatives, came up and HUGGED the cast members afterward....! --Ruth Anne Baumgarter scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:58 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Speaking of Christmas Carols....as a literary genre... > > Anyone ever read "The Bird's Christmas Carol"? > > I remember it being a real tear jerker from my childhood. It's from > the 1890's I believe. Lemme look up the author.... > > Kate Douglas Wiggin > > > Whoa! You can read the whole thing here: > > _http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2? > id=WigBird.sgm&images=images/mod > eng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=teiHeader_ > (http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2? > id=WigBird.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/tex > ts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=teiHeader) > > Very sentimental. Someone should dramatize and do it....just for a > change. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1˘/min. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 17:42:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91Lgj7c029417 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:42:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91Lggb7020109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91Lg7R8038497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91Lg3xV078679; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91Lg0Hk078595 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.22]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:41:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:41:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY121-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:41:53 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c6e588$a55e4710$a014a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:42:45 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 23309d4a-e427-49ef-b9e8-56549a566d09 Status: RO Thank you Bjarne! I hadn't noticed that one! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. > Hi, > Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel farthingales > was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. > The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah > Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a > little, and found this quote! > > > 1617 > "Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) > Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? > Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? > That shelter all defects from head to heeles." > Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. > > Whale bone wheels.......... How about that? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 17:47:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91LlNb3029535 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:47:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91LlKrA021484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:47:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91LktQe039106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91LktMf081945; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91LkpKO081848 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:46:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.14]) by bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:46:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:46:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY121-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:46:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:46:45 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2006 21:46:46.0001 (UTC) FILETIME=[174D4E10:01C6E5A3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45203768.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:47:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 73627562-ea56-4bad-b5cb-399b2d2f8a77 Status: RO Robin, How did you build your roll/wheel in the end? I was liking the idea of a wheel farthingale, but can't seem to get the right look yet. I have a wheel supported by a large roll, but the outer edge collapses. Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. > > On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel >> farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. > > For those who came in late, some of the conversation is preserved on my > webpage, here: > > http://www.netherton.net/robin > > (Every time this topic comes up, people ask for these posts, so I put them > all in in one place.) > > And later conversations can be found by looking in the h-cost archives. > >> The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah >> Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a >> little, and found this quote! >> >> 1617 >> "Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) >> Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? >> Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? >> That shelter all defects from head to heeles." >> Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. >> >> Whale bone wheels.......... How about that? > > That's indeed one of the small handful of citations Verna and I collected > when we did our original research on this topic (which I do intend to get > into print in the next few years, now that I have a place to publish it, > but I have another paper to do first). It also has the distinction of > being the first reference to a "wheel" that we could find, and the only > one that dates from the period in which the style was worn. (The next one, > from a play, is from 1664, and makes passing reference to the > long-outdated fashion of "wheel vardingales.") > > Given that it's a satirical poem, using metaphor and picturesque language, > I think we have to consider that the use of the word "wheel" could quite > easily have been a logical reference to the visual effect of the style, as > perceived by the viewer, rather than its construction. The term does not > seem to be used in tailor's bills, inventories, or other documents written > by who made, bought, or wore the garment -- those have large numbers of > references to rolls, but never "wheels" that I've seen. (I will confess > that I am relying on other people's research into such documents for these > references; I haven't done the inventory-crawling myself. I do have a > standing order for such references with various friends who have their > heads in these documents, in case they spot any.) > > I suspect also this reference, or possibly the 1664 one, may be the source > for English-speaking costume historians of the 18th and 19th centuries > calling this a "wheel farthingale" -- so we have to be careful about > circular logic. That is, if Strutt in 1792 said "this is called a wheel" > because of two mentions in literature, and thus costume historians have > since then assumed it was *built* in the form of a wheel, we don't want to > now say that the same citations (the source of the term) prove the > assumptions people have created based on that term. > > Of more interest is the reference to whalebone. We know that whalebone was > used in corsets at this point. There are some inventory references to > whalebone being bought and used for farthingales, too, from at least the > 1590s and later. > > However, it does appear that whalebone was also used in the construction > of rolls. Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe accounts describe rolls made of such > fabric as damask, buckram, taffeta, and holland cloth, stuffed with cotton > wool, and supported with whalebone, bent, or wire. (For citations > regarding materials used in farthingales, see Arnold, _QEWU_, p. 196-198, > and the Cunningtons' _Handbook of English Costume in the Sixteenth > Century_, p. 161). A 1588 essay by Montaigne, as translated into English > by John Florio in 1603, also mentions stuffing in combination with > stiffening, referring to "stiffe bumbasted verdugals" ("bombasted" meaning > "stuffed," so these were clearly rolls). (Montaigne is also quoted in > Waugh, page 28.) > > None of the references specify just how those supports/stiffeners were > used. They may have been used inside the roll to help hold its form, or > they may have been placed on the surface. Verna and I found that boning > around the outer channel of the roll was useful but not necessary; we > didn't try boning on the inner edge (that is, against the waist) or as an > interior support. It may be that the need for interior boning would become > more obvious with constant wearing of a farthingale, something we have not > done; I can imagine that a farthingale with a circular bone around the > edge would hold its shape better over time. > > So we aren't sure about how the stiffening material is used in the rolls. > What is clear, though, is that whalebone was used at least sometimes in > rolls. The rolls are particularly well-documented as being referred to as > "farthingales" in this period. "Wheels" is not a term that appears in > these contexts, just in occasional male writer's poetic descriptions (and > only one of those so far found from the period of the style). So, we > didn't want to rest a case for a boned wheel construction on that one > reference. > > Always happy to hear more evidence, though. We did try for a very long > time to find support for the wheel construction ... that was how we > started on this project. Everything we found, though, was consistent with > the roll interpretation, which became stronger and stronger even as the > "wheel" interpretation became weaker and weaker in the face of so many > other references. > > Not trying to pick a fight here, just reporting what we've found so far. > And there may be other data points to throw into the mix. I'd much rather > get such bits and pieces of evidence before I write up a paper than after > the fact, so if anyone has any other citations, etc. that would shed light > on the wheel/roll thing, please let me know. Hypotheses are not set in > stone; they need to be adjusted to match the data as it's assembled. > > --Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 18:08:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91M8U8H030110 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:08:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91M8RMw004263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:08:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91M83nt041818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:08:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91M81JF096715; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91M7dBb096502 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061001220735.GLLP5359.fep34.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:07:35 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.76]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061001220734.EWQZ15236.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:07:34 +0200 Message-ID: <001d01c6e5a6$0a50b0f0$4ce73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:08:31 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7eab9fed-897f-4980-b2bd-d1cd310dfb13 Status: RO Hi Robin, Yes you are right. I just thoaght it was obvious, that the support used for these styles, could very well have ben a wheel of whalebone at the top. Thats what i associated it to. But it could also be translated to farthingales was made of wheels of whalebone, cone shaped, but also drum shaped. The term wheel of whalebone, could be both a coneshaped farthingale, and a drum shaped farthingale. Just my two cents. But i wished there was more evidens somewhere. In Denmark i have read old describtions, in german, (courtpeople spoke german in Denmark) and the word is utstopfte magen wich can be translated to stuffed stomachers, this could maybe be a refference to a piececot belly, and has nothing to do with a farthingale, its very strange. The spanish word vertugale is used in Denmark. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. > > On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Some years back, we had this topic up about wheather wheel >> farthingales was worn, or if they only used huge bumrolls. > > For those who came in late, some of the conversation is preserved on my > webpage, here: > > http://www.netherton.net/robin > > (Every time this topic comes up, people ask for these posts, so I put them > all in in one place.) > > And later conversations can be found by looking in the h-cost archives. > >> The reason why i fell apun this quote, is, that i rarely read in Norah >> Waughs Corsets and Crinolines, just use the patterns. Today i read a >> little, and found this quote! >> >> 1617 >> "Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) >> Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? >> Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? >> That shelter all defects from head to heeles." >> Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. >> >> Whale bone wheels.......... How about that? > > That's indeed one of the small handful of citations Verna and I collected > when we did our original research on this topic (which I do intend to get > into print in the next few years, now that I have a place to publish it, > but I have another paper to do first). It also has the distinction of > being the first reference to a "wheel" that we could find, and the only > one that dates from the period in which the style was worn. (The next one, > from a play, is from 1664, and makes passing reference to the > long-outdated fashion of "wheel vardingales.") > > Given that it's a satirical poem, using metaphor and picturesque language, > I think we have to consider that the use of the word "wheel" could quite > easily have been a logical reference to the visual effect of the style, as > perceived by the viewer, rather than its construction. The term does not > seem to be used in tailor's bills, inventories, or other documents written > by who made, bought, or wore the garment -- those have large numbers of > references to rolls, but never "wheels" that I've seen. (I will confess > that I am relying on other people's research into such documents for these > references; I haven't done the inventory-crawling myself. I do have a > standing order for such references with various friends who have their > heads in these documents, in case they spot any.) > > I suspect also this reference, or possibly the 1664 one, may be the source > for English-speaking costume historians of the 18th and 19th centuries > calling this a "wheel farthingale" -- so we have to be careful about > circular logic. That is, if Strutt in 1792 said "this is called a wheel" > because of two mentions in literature, and thus costume historians have > since then assumed it was *built* in the form of a wheel, we don't want to > now say that the same citations (the source of the term) prove the > assumptions people have created based on that term. > > Of more interest is the reference to whalebone. We know that whalebone was > used in corsets at this point. There are some inventory references to > whalebone being bought and used for farthingales, too, from at least the > 1590s and later. > > However, it does appear that whalebone was also used in the construction > of rolls. Queen Elizabeth's wardrobe accounts describe rolls made of such > fabric as damask, buckram, taffeta, and holland cloth, stuffed with cotton > wool, and supported with whalebone, bent, or wire. (For citations > regarding materials used in farthingales, see Arnold, _QEWU_, p. 196-198, > and the Cunningtons' _Handbook of English Costume in the Sixteenth > Century_, p. 161). A 1588 essay by Montaigne, as translated into English > by John Florio in 1603, also mentions stuffing in combination with > stiffening, referring to "stiffe bumbasted verdugals" ("bombasted" meaning > "stuffed," so these were clearly rolls). (Montaigne is also quoted in > Waugh, page 28.) > > None of the references specify just how those supports/stiffeners were > used. They may have been used inside the roll to help hold its form, or > they may have been placed on the surface. Verna and I found that boning > around the outer channel of the roll was useful but not necessary; we > didn't try boning on the inner edge (that is, against the waist) or as an > interior support. It may be that the need for interior boning would become > more obvious with constant wearing of a farthingale, something we have not > done; I can imagine that a farthingale with a circular bone around the > edge would hold its shape better over time. > > So we aren't sure about how the stiffening material is used in the rolls. > What is clear, though, is that whalebone was used at least sometimes in > rolls. The rolls are particularly well-documented as being referred to as > "farthingales" in this period. "Wheels" is not a term that appears in > these contexts, just in occasional male writer's poetic descriptions (and > only one of those so far found from the period of the style). So, we > didn't want to rest a case for a boned wheel construction on that one > reference. > > Always happy to hear more evidence, though. We did try for a very long > time to find support for the wheel construction ... that was how we > started on this project. Everything we found, though, was consistent with > the roll interpretation, which became stronger and stronger even as the > "wheel" interpretation became weaker and weaker in the face of so many > other references. > > Not trying to pick a fight here, just reporting what we've found so far. > And there may be other data points to throw into the mix. I'd much rather > get such bits and pieces of evidence before I write up a paper than after > the fact, so if anyone has any other citations, etc. that would shed light > on the wheel/roll thing, please let me know. Hypotheses are not set in > stone; they need to be adjusted to match the data as it's assembled. > > --Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 18:33:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91MX0vZ030759 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:33:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91MWvDU018301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:33:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91MWJBO044048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:32:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91MWHCg011527; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:32:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91MWD31011481 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 16:32:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26656 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:14:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:14:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. In-Reply-To: <001d01c6e5a6$0a50b0f0$4ce73f50@CPQ21932199711> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45204219.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:33:00 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 66890b90-b130-405b-a27e-bbb3feeecc7c Status: RO On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > The term wheel of whalebone, could be both a coneshaped farthingale, > and a drum shaped farthingale. Hmm, I hadn't even thought about the cone-shaped ("Spanish") farthingales. How late were the cone-shaped farthingales worn? I had the impression they were disappearing in England by the 1580s or so. England tends to lag behind France, and France had the roll first, but I don't have any idea about the rest of Europe. Of course the authors in this case were English anyway. > In Denmark i have read old describtions, in german, (courtpeople spoke > german in Denmark) and the word is utstopfte magen wich can be > translated to stuffed stomachers, this could maybe be a refference to > a piececot belly, and has nothing to do with a farthingale, its very > strange. The spanish word vertugale is used in Denmark. I have absolutely no German, so if you do find something on this line, I'd love to know! Drea probably would be interested, too, and she's done a lot of work with German Renaissance documents. I'll pass this on to her. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 19:02:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91N2LmW031754 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:02:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k91N2IgT030741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:02:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91Kckjm031652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91KckBp036650; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.225.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91KcfVB036550 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from allison@aristotle.net) Received: from aristotle.net (c-68-51-41-204.hsd1.ar.comcast.net[68.51.41.204]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061001203835b11008946se>; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:38:36 +0000 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 15:31:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Allison To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] need suggestions for "campy" 18th century costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452048FA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:02:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4b318ef7-54ad-4a20-b1c0-e02bf312603c Status: RO Greetings, all. I am helping with a fundraiser for the March of Dimes. It's a silent auction/live auction/dancing/socializing event, and the theme is "Let Them Eat Cake", in the style of Marie Antoinette. Instead of catered dinner, the food will be desserts. So we are trying to play up the frothy, festive, over-the-top attitude. I need to dress about 6 actors in the style, but I want to make the costumes less cumbersome, and hopefully easier to do than "real" 18C. Please and thank you: I need ideas from all you guys - any suggestions are welcome! Anyhoo - I'm thinking of having my women wear fishnets and dance trunks, and constructing some sort of pannier/skirt to tie around the waist. What movie am I thinking of (or play?) that had panniers made of some king of sparkly tubing, worn without an overskirt? Aaaargh. And how can I make some "easy" corsets in the same style? I've got $5 long blonde wigs from WalMart which i can build into the extreme style I want, using tulle to add volume. But please put on your thinking caps for the rest of the garb. (I need suggestions for men's garb as well.) TIA from a grateful fellow garbwhore. 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 20:56:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k920uGql002582 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:56:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k920uCTI005378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:56:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k920tcRa056976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k920tVSc089740; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k920tSuB089709 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hJsGgC5hfCSJfRnMAPKNvO874q3ItL/no2hIsKbF9QbzTjByCe/Vum/pBXu1838U; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.207.96] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1GUC5b-0004JV-93 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:55:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15rh century embroidery site Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 14:24:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4786a166ed818d7c74792e09bf9cfa9c50e6622c47475f53cd4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.207.96 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452063AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:56:16 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 68433d4d-9ecb-456b-b712-6f800914a210 Status: RO On Sep 30, 2006, at 11:36 PM, otsisto wrote: > -----Original Message----- >>> http://medieval.webcon.net.au/period_15th_c.html >> >> > It's a very nice extensive site ... a pity the site owner is still > using some of my original art on it without attribution or permission > after I directly asked for it to be removed. > > Heather > Which ones are your artwork? > De > The line drawings of the motifs on the Mammen page (10th c. Denmark). Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 22:08:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9228sKm004379 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:08:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9228pgi007579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:08:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9228KnZ068804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9228G4F034873; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9228BEi034772 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c0b.513161e (14502) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:08:03 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] need suggestions for "campy" 18th century costumes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452074B3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:08:54 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c08bed9a-4d93-4984-8135-2271a643e6b0 Status: RO Well, nothing is easier than making wide pannier gowns look like a decorated cake.... As far as corsets go...If the front is good and stiff, you can just bone the seams in the back. Remember, cable ties are available for boning at your local Lowe's and Home Depot. There's a very heavy pellon that stands by itself I got at Jo Ann's once and mad a brimmed hat from. You could put that in the front of the corset with a bone just here and there. And you can hoop the skirts themselves, as opposed to a skirt over a hoop. I remember seeing Las Vegas outfits like this, sans underskirt so you could see the legs. Lots of big cupids and birds on the skirts, the stomachers and in the tall wigs. Be sure to check the craft store as well as the hardware store! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 22:50:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k922ogI2005542 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:50:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k922ocvY032658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:50:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k922oAdr074088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k922o8w7058863; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k922o5Bw058837 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.179.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.179] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GUDsX-00050b-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:50:04 -0400 Message-ID: <45208C31.6040500@faucet.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:49:05 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drea Leeds site References: <20061001230504.49873.qmail@web57014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45207E7E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Every one of the pages I had bookmarked > from her site is giving me a 404 error and I'm not > getting a site when I try googling for the main site. > Help? > > Cassandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 1 23:23:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k923N2Qx006536 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:23:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k923Mxqx008327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:23:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k923LvUC077276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:21:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k923Lra9075820; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:21:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k923Lmxa075788 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A45725A031C; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:15:35 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] need suggestions for "campy" 18th century costumes Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:21:59 -0700 Message-ID: <005d01c6e5d1$ed076c10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k923Lmxa075788 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45208613.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:23:02 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 926da28f-10c8-4c71-adde-8d3d2d5251a5 Status: RO Put them in skirts, but instead of panniers, make "fake panniers" using half rounds of material. If you put the straight part of the half circle on the selvage, you don't even have to hem. Gather the round edge and if that is too flat, "pouf" with nylon net, just like you're planning with the wigs. That way, your actors can move easily around crowded tables. Are you making the decorations on the wigs look like pastries and petit fours? For the men, stick them in women's' crop pants. You can probably get them at a thrift store. Since this is fro charity, is there a local tuxedo store that will let you borrow colored jackets? You could whip stitch or even pin on fancy trim and big cuffs. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Allison Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:32 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] need suggestions for "campy" 18th century costumes Greetings, all. I am helping with a fundraiser for the March of Dimes. It's a silent auction/live auction/dancing/socializing event, and the theme is "Let Them Eat Cake", in the style of Marie Antoinette. Instead of catered dinner, the food will be desserts. So we are trying to play up the frothy, festive, over-the-top attitude. I need to dress about 6 actors in the style, but I want to make the costumes less cumbersome, and hopefully easier to do than "real" 18C. Please and thank you: I need ideas from all you guys - any suggestions are welcome! Anyhoo - I'm thinking of having my women wear fishnets and dance trunks, and constructing some sort of pannier/skirt to tie around the waist. What movie am I thinking of (or play?) that had panniers made of some king of sparkly tubing, worn without an overskirt? Aaaargh. And how can I make some "easy" corsets in the same style? I've got $5 long blonde wigs from WalMart which i can build into the extreme style I want, using tulle to add volume. But please put on your thinking caps for the rest of the garb. (I need suggestions for men's garb as well.) TIA from a grateful fellow garbwhore. Allison P. allison@aristotle.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 00:27:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924RbAp008299 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:27:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k924RYtE005627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:27:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924QYIB082426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924QUnp009708; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924QS0i009684 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27229 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:08:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:08:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45209536.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:27:38 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 81e7cc37-8f2b-4328-94c5-3bf4bff19d9f Status: RO On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, kelly grant wrote: > How did you build your roll/wheel in the end? I was liking the idea > of a wheel farthingale, but can't seem to get the right look yet. I > have a wheel supported by a large roll, but the outer edge collapses. No wheel, just a roll. See more detailed discussion at the link I cited earlier, where I've saved a bunch of posts I wrote about this some years ago: > > http://www.netherton.net/robin Find the link for posts on the wheel farthingale. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 00:46:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924kxwM008965 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:46:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k924kucg009736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 00:46:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924kJhk084404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:46:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924kHk1020591; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924kD2v020539 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:46:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27280 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:28:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:28:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. In-Reply-To: <416101c6e5da$f74a49f0$7e00a8c0@compaqub> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452099C0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 00:46:59 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 00255a25-cb11-49e9-abae-78c42d288544 Status: RO On Sun, 1 Oct 2006, E House wrote: > The 'head to heeles' part does suggest a farthingale to me, I must > say, but as others have suggested, the farthingale seems like it would > be, at the least, less than fashionable in 1617 The Spanish farthingale would have been long out of style. The French farthingale, which created the wheel-like visual effect, would be just starting to become passe at court, and it was still worn by lesser-born women into the 1620s. > On the other side of the argument, though, what about that drawing > seen in Waugh's C&C, of the dancers wearing wheels around their waist? > Or would you say those are for dancers only? Whether they're wheels, exactly, is up for discussion, as is how they are made (they might be bones in casings, or they might be a series of connected small rolls, or a quilted pad, or lord knows what else). But what is certain is that this is stage costume. For men. Doing a dance performance. In a parody on the theme of deception. In 1625, by which point the fashion was laughably out of date at court and possibly cause for derision in and of itself. Given that this puts us four or five times removed from reality, and given the lack of any corroborating evidence whatsoever, I am not so optimistic as Waugh to assume that these are realistic representations of what real women were wearing in court in the early 1600s. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 02:26:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k926Q5JP021023 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:26:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k926Q19U016784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 02:26:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924R3AF082507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924R36m010034; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k924QijF009787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:26:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:14348 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GUFOD-000092-U4 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 23:26:50 -0500 Message-ID: <416101c6e5da$f74a49f0$7e00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] wheel farthingale yeat another time. Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 23:26:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4520B0F9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 02:26:05 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 588a82f8-afb5-447b-8ccb-54644606990d Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- > 1617 > "Else (mincing madams) why do we (alas!) > Pine at your Pencill and conspiring Glasse? > Your Curles, Purles, Perriwigs, your Whale bone wheels? > That shelter all defects from head to heeles." > Henry Fitz - Jeoffery, Satyres and Satyrical Epigrams. The 'head to heeles' part does suggest a farthingale to me, I must say, but as others have suggested, the farthingale seems like it would be, at the least, less than fashionable in 1617 Given the nature of the book, it's perfectly possible that the verse being quoted is not originally from 1617, though. After a quick look to see when a periwig would have been worn, I was surprised to find the word's origin in the 1520s, and less surprised that wigs were popular during Elizabeth's reign. And to be unintentionally coarse, wouldn't a farthingale collapsed on the floor look like a wheel? On the other side of the argument, though, what about that drawing seen in Waugh's C&C, of the dancers wearing wheels around their waist? Or would you say those are for dancers only? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 08:47:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92ClWpQ017964 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:47:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92ClSEH018788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:47:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92Cb3C5024052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 06:37:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92Cata7066288; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 06:36:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92Cap1J066180 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 06:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.110]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061002123645.HBVU21156.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:36:45 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.110]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061002123645.ZUDT2028.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 07:36:45 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061002073445.0283bde0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:36:40 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] book: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45210A60.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Evidence will be drawn primarily from the Great Wardrobe accounts, wardrobe warrants, and inventories, and it will be interpreted using evidence from narrative sources, paintings, drawings and surviving garments. Key areas for consideration will include the cut and construction of garments, materials and colours, the function of livery and the hierarchy of dress amongst the social elite, and the network of craftsmen and merchants working for the court. " Maria Hayward (FSA, Reader in Textile Conservation, University of Southampton, UK) is also Assistant Editor of Costume - Journal of The Costume Society _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 10:24:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EOW1K022137 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:24:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92EOSSY020406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:24:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92ENlFw036163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:23:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92ENhHu041777; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k91NBZWr033958 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 17:11:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edlyn@arquillalabs.com) Received: from [24.145.213.122] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GUAT3-0004d7-QW for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:11:29 -0400 Message-ID: <45204B19.3080900@arquillalabs.com> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:11:21 -0400 From: "edlyn@arquillalabs.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drea Leeds site References: <20061001230504.49873.qmail@web57014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061001230504.49873.qmail@web57014.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 393ec89ab950cde039678082d2ded72e9ef193a6bfc3dd48f91d5ab17765e564f8e9d142a1dc4a12540b0f8a6f3b58b0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.145.213.122 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4521211C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:24:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 74408046-d575-4dbd-86ba-9f2ddf483723 Status: RO Try http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ I just got to it. Edlyn Cascio Michael wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know where Drea Leeds most excellent > site went? Every one of the pages I had bookmarked > from her site is giving me a 404 error and I'm not > getting a site when I try googling for the main site. > Help? > > Cassandra > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 10:26:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EQWH4022198 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:26:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92EQTYl010985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:26:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EQDwZ036462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EQ9RT043918; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k921YQOM013127 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:34:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654FFA75D9 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:34:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45206CBE.3020706@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:34:54 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] need suggestions for "campy" 18th century costumes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45212195.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:26:33 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 54c4f51c-8043-47b2-98a3-f4f7b1e0545e Status: RO Allison wrote: > > Please and thank you: I need ideas from all you guys - any suggestions > are welcome! Anyhoo - I'm thinking of having my women wear fishnets > and dance trunks, and constructing some sort of pannier/skirt to tie > around the waist. What movie am I thinking of (or play?) that had > panniers made of some king of sparkly tubing, worn without an > overskirt? Aaaargh. And how can I make some "easy" corsets in the same > style? > One of the 'Big 3' pattern companies has panniers and corsets of the period. They should be relatively easy to make up in some of the outrageous halloween fabrics that are out there now. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 10:45:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EjivE022700 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:45:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92EjfIW024411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:45:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EjPYs039355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EjNho061281; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EjJoh061211 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.155.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.155]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GUP2k-0003Ab-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:45:18 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) In-Reply-To: <451FE1A8.9040909@dsl.pipex.com> References: <415.ae21039.324e9cb1@aol.com> <203475F4-4FEE-11DB-BCE4-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> <451FE1A8.9040909@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: [h-cost] APOLOGIES re OT....another Christmas Carol Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:44:49 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45212615.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:45:44 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 448e88b4-109d-4aab-ae3c-497eeda33e92 Status: RO Greetings all: Sorry to send the Dickens stuff to the whole list. I had been scrupulously replying individually to individual requests, but this morning, half-asleep, I got another request....I just hit "reply" and didn't check where the reply was going. I haven't received the reply myself, so maybe the NO-ATTACHMENTS rule has prevented indiscriminate distribution--BUT if you should get some Dickens files you didn't ask for, I apologize in advance. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 12:10:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92GAKKk025046 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:10:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92GAHIl012407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:10:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92G9DHG052544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92G985P046909; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92G92O7046693 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061002160851.DAPE26167.fep31.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:08:51 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.177]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061002160851.FJCO3609.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:08:51 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c6e63d$1767ccf0$b143a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:09:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.67.177] at Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:08:50 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] book recomondation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452139E9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:10:20 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c96feb08-a332-4d7b-90a9-f0e5e8c05a35 Status: RO Yesterday i had a meeting with a lady from Hamburg in Germany, whom i am making the new anglaise dress for. She gave me some wonderfull gifts. One of them, i would really recomend to read for those of you who loves the 18th century. Delany was one of the finest embroiderers of England, and she embroidered her own court mantua. This books have some pictures of her embroidery and her letters are full of describtions about fashion trough large parts of the century. She was born early in the century, and died more than 80 years old. I have already read large parts of the book, it is lovely reading! Here is a link to it http://tinyurl.co.uk/e7v7 The other gift i got was a lovely pillow cover embroidered with whitework and edged with esquisite lace. Its real antique 18th century. It has a kind of "shadow work" where the bottom is filled out with french knots, and believe me if i tell you, that these are so tiny, you wouldnt imagine it! Their needles must have ben very tiny, the finest i have, would be 10 times as big. Finally i got a real coin from the time of Christian VII its from 1787, what do you say? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 12:28:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92GSQXl025613 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:28:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92GSLET022147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:28:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EQk9n036545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:26:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EQhFY044465; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:26:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9238l9H068891 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 21:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3970838B7A for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:08:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 15rh century embroidery site Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 22:09:00 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45213E25.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:28:26 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 745fdb14-5061-46b7-9eb0-512a2e39584b Status: RO > -----Original Message----- >>> http://medieval.webcon.net.au/period_15th_c.html >> Which ones are your artwork? > De > The line drawings of the motifs on the Mammen page (10th c. Denmark). Heather Ah, I see. I remember the site that this info comes from. Could this person have mistaken the rendering of the fragments as a part of the display of the fragments from the museum? Did you get to see the fragments up close? The last drawing is interesting in that there isn't consistancy. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:28:27 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2c05ba77-5951-4d34-a815-d8d4b9dae390 Status: RO Greetings-- Cascio Michael wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know where Drea Leeds most excellent > site went? Every one of the pages I had bookmarked > from her site is giving me a 404 error and I'm not > getting a site when I try googling for the main site. > Help? > Try this.... http://www.elizabethancostume.net/index.html Got it by googling "Drea Leed". Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 12:28:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92GSQXp025613 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:28:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92GSLEX022147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:28:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EQMYd036493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:26:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92EQLW0044115; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 08:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k921rr5o025611 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2006 19:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 48798 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Oct 2006 01:53:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=mPBr7rsepiYxIZfAhIcg/jqQ8S1hBhlSiYtJe1WvAGAMICQMy7Y9JwDFyWyOkAOpLA0iCoiXDnTTBDfq/aEvTj1OLK1d9wCLzolAu7bjn/bCWbQ6p0XpK+nEpdWUU9l4LNz9mv548PMc/FhjYtMpj28eAHhc7RYONZf/5Y8seBE= ; Message-ID: <20061002015348.48796.qmail@web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [121.44.105.18] by web31502.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:53:48 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 18:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Drea Leeds site To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-7 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45213E25.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:28:28 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 69454234-c6a1-4f23-875d-4bb0c55d1f74 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k92GSQXp025613 Status: RO Here you go: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/ Anabella Wake (aka dona Bella Lucia da Verona) The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Monday, 2 October, 2006 8:35:04 AM Subject: [h-cost] Drea Leeds site Hi all, Does anyone know where Drea Leeds most excellent site went? Every one of the pages I had bookmarked from her site is giving me a 404 error and I'm not getting a site when I try googling for the main site. Help? Cassandra ____________________________________________________ On Yahoo!7 Break a world record with Total Girl's World˘s Largest Slumber Party http://www.totalgirl.com.au/slumberparty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 12:43:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92GhEqP026150 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:43:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92GhAdR032572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:43:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92GeVeZ057458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:40:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92GdgiD078040; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92GdWGp077713 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2006 17:39:15 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAArdIEWBToo/AgcCDAcGHQ Received: from 88-107-121-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.121.58]:3563 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GUQnp-0002GM-R8 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:38:01 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061002173814.03223ea0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:39:13 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] book recomondation In-Reply-To: <000b01c6e63d$1767ccf0$b143a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000b01c6e63d$1767ccf0$b143a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4521419E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:43:14 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e16b0e92-2ac0-4405-b8f7-16735a2bc595 Status: RO At 17:09 02/10/2006, you wrote: >Yesterday i had a meeting with a lady from Hamburg in Germany, whom >i am making the new anglaise dress for. >She gave me some wonderfull gifts. >One of them, i would really recomend to read for those of you who >loves the 18th century. Delany was one of the finest embroiderers of >England, and she embroidered her own court mantua. This books have >some pictures of her embroidery and her letters are full of >describtions about fashion trough large parts of the century. She >was born early in the century, and died more than 80 years old. I >have already read large parts of the book, it is lovely reading! >Here is a link to it http://tinyurl.co.uk/e7v7 >The other gift i got was a lovely pillow cover embroidered with >whitework and edged with esquisite lace. Its real antique 18th >century. It has a kind of "shadow work" where the bottom is filled >out with french knots, and believe me if i tell you, that these are >so tiny, you wouldnt imagine it! Their needles must have ben very >tiny, the finest i have, would be 10 times as big. Finally i got a >real coin from the time of Christian VII its from 1787, what do you say? > >Bjarne > Bjarne Thanks for that - I've just ordered a copy from Amazon to go with the 18th century embroidery book! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 12:55:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92GtqNs026520 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:55:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92GtmH9018780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:55:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92Gs13v059869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:54:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92GrtJO093054; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:53:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92Grmsr092876 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:53:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c2so1702624nfe for ; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dBymrCNGyfFvlWuuvUdakodNz96FL90kWgn85CkREsQFkuSjAHZ69OZisPN8XR5WyljPFDiisMTQBrlHleOQy1ODCUGRekST5TPyoMoLrNteM4p/LL2Pl5llo0uHYFqoNrJKqoY5L0T+HU+BHZwZchYacToDKAVV5HpzlYzYRWA= Received: by 10.48.48.15 with SMTP id v15mr9546051nfv; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.219.16 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0610020953uf9c8726x875926efbe506d18@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:53:45 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wikipedia as source In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190609301856q56076876v74bce64791c972bf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7d21ac190609301856q56076876v74bce64791c972bf@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45214494.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:55:52 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 23ef826a-c401-44f2-b6fe-43c9cca4ddbb Status: RO I agree with using Wikipedia as a jumping-off point. I put it right in line with R. Wilcox Turner and just above the Peacock and Tierney books, in that someone who doesn't quite know what they want can look through them and point to a silhouette and say, that's what I'm looking for. Then you go to a reliable source or three and get the correct pictures. Lynnd On 9/30/06, A. Thurman wrote: > On 9/29/06, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 16:43:57 -0400 > > From: "Penny" > > Subject: [h-cost] Wikipedia as a source > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Message-ID: <001d01c6e429$6cf42710$6400a8c0@momlaptop> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > > reply-type=response > > > > Someone used Wikipedia as a source in a message, so I thought I would add my > > two cents... > > > > Wikipedia is not really a good source. If a college student quotes > > Wikipedia, they lose points. Wikipedia can be edited or information added > > by anyone. The website started as a copy of a 1910s? encyclopedia that was > > put online. The owner of the site, decided to let anyone update the > > information. > > Agreed, Wikipedia isn't considered a good source. However, I would put > forth that it's a good starting place for more indepth research, as > their entries often provide references to academic websites and books. > > In other words, what someone else said about finding backup - if > something piques your interest on Wikipedia, be sure and find > confirmation before accepting any of it as fact. > > > > Penny Ladnier, > > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > > www.costumegallery.com > > www.costumelibrary.com > > www.costumeclassroom.com > > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > > > Allison T. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 13:02:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92H2b6H026754 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:02:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92H2XuK010964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:02:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92G1ghJ051179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:01:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92G1Flj038768; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92G0reA038251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:01:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:15148 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GUQDa-0001kf-SO for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:00:37 -0500 Message-ID: <449201c6e63b$e5fab6b0$7e00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <6.0.0.22.0.20061002073445.0283bde0@mail.alltel.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:00:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45214629.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 61411afe-7a12-4106-8fc2-05f40fb7fd0e Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth and Bob Matney" > Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward. Maney Pub. (2006). > Clothbound with full colour dustjacket, ca 384 pages with ca 150 b&w and > 30 colour illustrations. ISBN 1 904350 70 4. > http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=show&fwid=649 Any idea how much the book will cost? I'd like to put my name on the reserve list, but I don't want to feel obligated to buy a $200 book! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 13:31:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HVuec027656 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:31:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92HVrIj011553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HURDv065340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HThi1030497; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HTdhG030436 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:29:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-120.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.120]) by ms-smtp-04.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k92HTaKf028650 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002501c6e648$550ff220$0302a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c6e63d$1767ccf0$b143a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book recomondation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:29:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45214D09.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:31:57 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e3348c4d-0a63-4ff3-abb6-64ba168384bc Status: RO Hi Bjarne. The 18th century isn't my area of interest, but the gifts that your client gave you sound amazing! Any chance that you might put pictures up of the needles (with a modern needle to compare it to) and of the pillow? I just *love* pretty pillows! :-) With regards, ailith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: [h-cost] book recomondation > Yesterday i had a meeting with a lady from Hamburg in Germany, whom i am > making the new anglaise dress for. > She gave me some wonderfull gifts. > One of them, i would really recomend to read for those of you who loves > the 18th century. Delany was one of the finest embroiderers of England, > and she embroidered her own court mantua. This books have some pictures of > her embroidery and her letters are full of describtions about fashion > trough large parts of the century. She was born early in the century, and > died more than 80 years old. I have already read large parts of the book, > it is lovely reading! > Here is a link to it http://tinyurl.co.uk/e7v7 > The other gift i got was a lovely pillow cover embroidered with whitework > and edged with esquisite lace. Its real antique 18th century. It has a > kind of "shadow work" where the bottom is filled out with french knots, > and believe me if i tell you, that these are so tiny, you wouldnt imagine > it! Their needles must have ben very tiny, the finest i have, would be 10 > times as big. Finally i got a real coin from the time of Christian VII its > from 1787, what do you say? > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 13:33:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HXKmP027692 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:33:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92HXFVI001226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:33:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HWGtd065546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HWDAG033101; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:32:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HW6wY032823 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:32:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.83]) by bay0-omc3-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:32:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:32:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:31:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20060929.144358.3460.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] neat idea for those who draft Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:32:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:32:12 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2006 17:32:00.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAD000B0:01C6E648] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45214D5B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:33:20 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 89138525-0372-404f-b585-0deb1277a105 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k92HXKmP027692 Status: RO Ooh, will have to look for this...what do they look like? Do they have that "typical" black and white cardboard cover, or are they plastic covered ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia J Ley To: h-costume@indra.com Cc: lherr@rightwaybusiness.com ; cameronfamily3@juno.com ; antir-costumers@antir.sca.org ; brenna14@comcast.net Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: [h-cost] neat idea for those who draft Hi all. Was in Office Max today (in the States) and came across something kind of cool. Mead is making composition books where have the page is in quadrille form and the other half is college ruled for notes. Handy thing for all of us who do embroidery and pattern drafting! Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 13:43:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HhvKb027982 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:43:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92Hhs1g004698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:43:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HhCgT067066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HgtGO044031; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92Hgkh5043776 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:42:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.80]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:42:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:42:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:42:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:42:54 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2006 17:42:40.0371 (UTC) FILETIME=[283D4430:01C6E64A] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dark (Darth?) Maul costume (OT?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45214FDA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:43:58 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b54fd1b0-7643-483e-80d9-935619c2767e Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k92HhvKb027982 Status: RO Hi all, I know think this may be a little OT - (not sure how old the movie is). I was wondering if any of you knew which Star Wars movie this character is in? My nephew wants to be him (it?) for Halloween. I wanted to rent the movie to see what he wears under his cape...wooo wooo! Thanks, Sg\ P.S. Is it Dark or Darth Maul? What's his story anyway? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 13:50:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92Ho2uF028230 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:50:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92HnwiZ023458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:50:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92Hna6B068140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:49:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HnY9k051167; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.216]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HnQH3050992 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:49:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.76]) by bay0-omc3-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:49:21 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:49:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:49:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:49:33 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2006 17:49:21.0450 (UTC) FILETIME=[174D10A0:01C6E64B] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dark (Darth?) Maul costume (OT?) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45215146.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c1e62a5c-469c-4ad5-b040-a074a2d5b9f9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k92Ho2uF028230 Status: RO Oooh, I found some stuff on him...I had looked before, but not seen this site. http://www.dmeb2.org/main/index.html I'd still be interested in any additional stuff anyone knows...but better to take it off list...I think it can't count as "historic" since isn't the Sith series rather new? ----- Original Message ----- From: Saragrace Knauf To: h-costume Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Dark (Darth?) Maul costume (OT?) Hi all, I know think this may be a little OT - (not sure how old the movie is). I was wondering if any of you knew which Star Wars movie this character is in? My nephew wants to be him (it?) for Halloween. I wanted to rent the movie to see what he wears under his cape...wooo wooo! Thanks, Sg\ P.S. Is it Dark or Darth Maul? What's his story anyway? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 14:01:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92I142Y028581 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:01:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92I11Zx020351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:01:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HxUq0069625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HxM9c061623; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92HxH5i061434 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from traci@crimsonvision.net) Received: from smailcenter46.comcast.net ([204.127.205.146]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006100217590201300443r2e>; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:59:12 +0000 Received: from [205.175.225.23] by smailcenter46.comcast.net; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:58:59 +0000 From: traci@crimsonvision.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dark (Darth?) Maul costume (OT?) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:58:59 +0000 Message-Id: <100220061758.2688.452153630007466300000A802200734748CE0201079C079002019C03079D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y3JpbXNvbnZpc2lvbjFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452153DD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:01:04 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 66b7a99b-7ec6-4a42-a8a2-e41729d0595c Status: RO It's 'Darth'. :) Here are a few links to help: Some good closeup pics and info on his costume (including whats under the robe): http://www.padawansguide.com/maul.shtml A messageboard with losts of costumers and info; be sure to check the 'READ THIS FIRST' thread first: http://boards.theforce.net/costuming_and_props/b10019/p1 Hope that helps! Traci > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Saragrace Knauf > To: h-costume > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:42 AM > Subject: Dark (Darth?) Maul costume (OT?) > > > Hi all, I know think this may be a little OT - (not sure how old the movie > is). I was wondering if any of you knew which Star Wars movie this character is > in? My nephew wants to be him (it?) for Halloween. I wanted to rent the movie > to see what he wears under his cape...wooo wooo! > > Thanks, > > Sg\ > > P.S. Is it Dark or Darth Maul? What's his story anyway? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 14:05:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92I58uh028696 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:05:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92I53MW001847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:05:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92I4KBF070402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92I47LH066469; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:04:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92I3obe066007 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061002180343.HJSQ26167.fep31.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:03:43 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.30]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061002180343.FLJY29529.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:03:43 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c6e64d$24b54e90$1e14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c6e63d$1767ccf0$b143a150@CPQ21932199711> <002501c6e648$550ff220$0302a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] book recomondation Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:04:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.30] at Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:03:41 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452154CF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:05:08 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 076bce7a-aeb2-4761-945d-77b58d91fda2 Status: RO Hi, Yes i wouldnt mind post some pictures of the pillow cover, but i think you misunderstood me with the needle. I just ment, looking at the fine embroidery, that they must have used tiny tiny needles, to make it, much smaller than the needles we use today................ Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] book recomondation > Hi Bjarne. > > The 18th century isn't my area of interest, but the gifts that your client > gave you sound amazing! Any chance that you might put pictures up of the > needles (with a modern needle to compare it to) and of the pillow? I just > *love* pretty pillows! :-) > > With regards, > ailith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 12:09 PM > Subject: [h-cost] book recomondation > > >> Yesterday i had a meeting with a lady from Hamburg in Germany, whom i am >> making the new anglaise dress for. >> She gave me some wonderfull gifts. >> One of them, i would really recomend to read for those of you who loves >> the 18th century. Delany was one of the finest embroiderers of England, >> and she embroidered her own court mantua. This books have some pictures >> of her embroidery and her letters are full of describtions about fashion >> trough large parts of the century. She was born early in the century, and >> died more than 80 years old. I have already read large parts of the book, >> it is lovely reading! >> Here is a link to it http://tinyurl.co.uk/e7v7 >> The other gift i got was a lovely pillow cover embroidered with whitework >> and edged with esquisite lace. Its real antique 18th century. It has a >> kind of "shadow work" where the bottom is filled out with french knots, >> and believe me if i tell you, that these are so tiny, you wouldnt >> imagine it! Their needles must have ben very tiny, the finest i have, >> would be 10 times as big. Finally i got a real coin from the time of >> Christian VII its from 1787, what do you say? >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 16:14:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92KE39Y032319 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:14:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92KDva9004963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:14:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92KDRJW089002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92KD5M0096200; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:13:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92KCxeQ095984 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.21]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061002201253.CAUH27379.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:12:53 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.21]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20061002201252.XFRH4441.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:12:52 -0500 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20061002151038.02652cb0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:12:49 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] book: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII In-Reply-To: <200610021800.k92I0l1U063315@net.indra.com> References: <200610021800.k92I0l1U063315@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45217305.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:14:04 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 84812c05-b477-4331-963d-b8c8df743565 Status: RO No Idea as yet. I'll post to the list when I find out more. Beth Matney At 01:00 PM 10/2/2006, you wrote: >Any idea how much the book will cost? I'd like to put my name on the >reserve list, but I don't want to feel obligated to buy a $200 book! > >-E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 19:08:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92N8mJC005696 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:08:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92N8jnZ013284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:08:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92N7527012301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:07:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92N6sEb056157; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:06:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92N6oit056024 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladycatalina@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.131.115]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:06:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:06:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.131.123 by by126fd.bay126.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:06:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [4.225.187.63] X-Originating-Email: [ladycatalina@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladycatalina@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200610021802.k92I0l1V063315@net.indra.com> From: "Catalina Elvira Osorio Lopez de Xerez" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:06:41 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2006 23:06:44.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DE72780:01C6E677] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 650 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45219BFD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:08:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b98d764a-2365-4d36-be54-d969c6565c40 Status: RO I don't suppose Amazon will be carrying this one? Catalina Sanguinem dumtaxat causam virtutis pendate > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 07:36:40 -0500 >From: Beth and Bob Matney >Subject: [h-cost] book: Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII >To: >Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20061002073445.0283bde0@mail.alltel.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > >I just got a note from the publisher that this is scheduled to be published >May 2007. > >Dress at the Court of King Henry VIII by Maria Hayward. Maney Pub. (2006). >Clothbound with full colour dustjacket, ca 384 pages with ca 150 b&w and 30 >colour illustrations. ISBN 1 904350 70 4. >http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=show&fwid=649 > >"Henry VIII used his wardrobe, and that of his family and household, as a >way of expressing his wealth and magnificence. This book will encompass the >first detailed study of male and female dress worn at the court of Henry >VIII (1509-47) and will cover the dress of the king and his immediate >family, the royal household and the broader court circle consisting of the >nobility and clergy. > >Evidence will be drawn primarily from the Great Wardrobe accounts, wardrobe >warrants, and inventories, and it will be interpreted using evidence from >narrative sources, paintings, drawings and surviving garments. Key areas >for consideration will include the cut and construction of garments, >materials and colours, the function of livery and the hierarchy of dress >amongst the social elite, and the network of craftsmen and merchants >working for the court. " > >Maria Hayward (FSA, Reader in Textile Conservation, University of >Southampton, UK) is also Assistant Editor of Costume - Journal of The >Costume Society > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 19:28:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92NSMAX006271 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:28:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k92NSJuQ026359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:28:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92NR1Yc015256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:27:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92NQwE3071527; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:26:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (dsl092-053-140.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.53.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92NQs1J071397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k930Lfcs013896 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:21:41 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dark (Darth?) 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:28:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: f5365b7b-794f-4546-9a7c-ce3258484f45 Status: RO On Monday 02 October 2006 1:42 pm, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Hi all, I know think this may be a little OT - (not sure how old the movie > is). I was wondering if any of you knew which Star Wars movie this > character is in? My nephew wants to be him (it?) for Halloween. I wanted > to rent the movie to see what he wears under his cape...wooo wooo! Darth Maul shows up in Star Wars--The Phantom Menace. The first volume of the "prequel to Star Wars" trilogy. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 22:22:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k932ML8D011199 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:22:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k932MIpd009087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:22:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k932LKwq036262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:21:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k932LES1000446; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:21:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k92LKu4a060798 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:20:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCUDAWVAM9G6DS for (sender ); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 14:20:19 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgjaNlX5XXmwnr2tueigqx4k= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L3P5ECHB; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 14:19:41 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:58:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] neat idea for those who draft Message-ID: <20061002.141841.2960.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-10,12-35 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 12:6:37286893 X-MAIL-INFO: 33851505819084b05d91f0e4a06d9070592dbd80e959210050d0fd65758da1c9fd61b4f974c994b441e09175549499c4219041d1f4401585d425d134b57d39417904647d79250d94315d1139d925056060c17905a1f5645154d564a529b1f5cd957034390d8120c0e9c01dcdc0f1496170e0615004e061d08dd05524b0f039249975dde995f9756dfd54d42da1f5cd9989dd35945515097ded85c151a9d19d1941115555381455a175c16001a07460a1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4521C95A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:22:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0a1cdf51-b815-47d2-87e3-5f24b745102f Status: RO They're the same size as the typical b & w marbled ones, only the covers are black with white quadrille on the top half of the page and ruled on the bottom half. I don't know if they come in different colors. 100 sheets, 200 pages. Planning on using mine a lot. :-) Arlys On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:32:12 -0700 "Saragrace Knauf" writes: > Ooh, will have to look for this...what do they look like? Do they > have that "typical" black and white cardboard cover, or are they > plastic covered > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cynthia J Ley > To: h-costume@indra.com > Cc: lherr@rightwaybusiness.com > ; cameronfamily3@juno.com ; > antir-costumers@antir.sca.org > ; brenna14@comcast.net > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 2:32 PM > Subject: [h-cost] neat idea for those who draft > > > Hi all. Was in Office Max today (in the States) and came across > something > kind of cool. Mead is making composition books where have the page > is in > quadrille form and the other half is college ruled for notes. > Handy thing > for all of us who do embroidery and pattern drafting! > > Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 22:33:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k932XRr6011475 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:33:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k932XNfk028239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:33:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k932X5sZ038348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:33:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k932X0RD011312; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k932WsJA011168 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:32:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30086 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 21:15:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 21:15:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] neat idea for those who draft In-Reply-To: <20061002.141841.2960.0.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4521CBF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 22:33:27 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9f89480d-f87f-4e0f-90a2-eda6e8372dfa Status: RO On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > They're the same size as the typical b & w marbled ones, only the > covers are black with white quadrille on the top half of the page and > ruled on the bottom half. I don't know if they come in different > colors. 100 sheets, 200 pages. I saw some at Wal-Mart when I was buying school supplies. They looked close enough to the b&w marbled ones that I had one in my cart before I realized it was *not* the plain composition book my kid needed for class. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 2 23:58:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k933wWe4013491 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:58:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k933wSc9009737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:58:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k933vqsu048454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 21:57:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k933vnMm073051; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 21:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k933vjeU072996 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 21:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bKNQbuyClKBF76DksrSb0ON9jU4VaoyaW//CUYLIn7AaNLrCo25n1qlzYkMqRnzD; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.207.96] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1GUbPc-0005eY-KZ for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:57:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74D75E4A-95FF-439A-9923-145F2E2F5678@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 15rh century embroidery site Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:57:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d4786a166ed818d7c7473663199939c3622bfc1b59816d0364e2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.207.96 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4521DFE4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Oct 2006 23:58:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9d394530-0252-4a60-922a-17371e144492 Status: RO On Oct 1, 2006, at 8:09 PM, otsisto wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >>>> http://medieval.webcon.net.au/period_15th_c.html >>> > Which ones are your artwork? >> De >> > > The line drawings of the motifs on the Mammen page (10th c. Denmark). > > Heather > > Ah, I see. I remember the site that this info comes from. > Could this person have mistaken the rendering of the fragments as a > part of > the display of the fragments from the museum? > It would be hard to continue to be mistaken after the correspondence we exchanged on the topic. > Did you get to see the fragments up close? The last drawing is > interesting > in that there isn't consistancy. I'm working pretty much from published materials plus viewing the "reconstructions" commissioned by the Danish National Museum (which weren't intended to be reconstructions of the Mammen outfit itself) -- the published photos are much clearer to make out than the actual original fragments. The line drawings are redrawn from published archaeological reports and tried to follow what can be seen of the original layout, which as you note isn't always consistent. I'd be a lot more torqued if it were creative work rather than technical drawings, but it's the principle of the thing. (And for goodness sake, the original archaeological reports on the Mammen find are old enough that they're out of copyright, so it's not like any one _needs_ to steal my art.) Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 01:56:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k935uk2v016424 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 01:56:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k935ugui000594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 01:56:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k935u4o8061112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:56:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k935tv7J046014; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:55:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3j.socket.net [216.106.88.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k935tqB3045961 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C208C3DA43 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 00:55:51 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 00:56:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <74D75E4A-95FF-439A-9923-145F2E2F5678@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: mammen embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4521FB9A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:56:46 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d6e91ad1-844e-4e81-870d-4942885da3af Status: RO My curiosity is of the drawing in that of the "faces". (Oh by the way found your site. :) ) http://heatherrosejones.com/mammen/index.html I don't know why but the I think the "small faces" are not faces. Your examples of why they would be faces are good. I guess I need to figure out why I don't think their faces. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 10:24:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EOBqo027660 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:24:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93EO8Hm010895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:24:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EMTH7013220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EML09087495; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EMHmX087355 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:22:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061003142211.FGBA5359.fep34.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:22:11 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.80]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061003142211.FZVI16068.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:22:11 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:22:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.164.110.80] at Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:22:01 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] white embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45227288.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:24:11 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 757744de-bdff-48b8-bc6e-c3dcc9fcf7a2 Status: RO Hi, As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th century pillow case i got as a gift: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about using destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should be carefull with the ironing........... I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will harm it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 10:38:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93Ecq1J028226 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:38:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93EcmCv023099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:38:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EbkHT015543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:37:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EbV9V002222; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:37:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EbM9F001951 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.4c3.98d04c6 (42805) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <4c3.98d04c6.3253cf99@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:37:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452275F8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Amazing! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 10:43:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EhjYS028419 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:43:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93Ehgqo013453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:43:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93Egvlf016426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EgtDg007483; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:42:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.180]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k93Egloq007260 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wildthangstreasures@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90002 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Oct 2006 14:42:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yqqY4R8V2WugG5WGx8y1rERtbNChCM+7Ysw4nmTQLx0VkrpNYDAmLrtXUWWzt/ZppbHlxsgQwcIcxnt3TcJOjMLVnjp8yiHkw2Zxtq4iDKWC4CHdWie36NonWJlneElfWACj6qGMg7dJLC2PJBLBcUKSaS+LxQykxHOAQ3XV8Ng= ; Message-ID: <20061003144241.90000.qmail@web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.187.49.72] by web33902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 07:42:41 PDT Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 07:42:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Voncile W. Dudley" Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4522771E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:43:45 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: afb621aa-fa1b-4bad-bb6b-be9df12379e0 Status: RO It is beautiful! I would wash with liquid specifcally for delicate in cold water. Definitely use a towel and iron from the back. Just be sure everything is smooth before you put the iron to it. Good Luck! Lady Von Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th century pillow case i got as a gift: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about using destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should be carefull with the ironing........... I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will harm it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lady Von http://www.wildthangstreasures.com --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 11:25:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93FPSef029814 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:25:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93FPOcu019777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:25:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93FMtOd021962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93FMIdb045103; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93FLFlH043894 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 03 Oct 2006 16:15:06 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAB4bIkWBToo/AgcCDAcGHQ Received: from 88-107-121-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.121.58]:2213 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GUlxx-000Lrx-7v for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:13:53 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061003161215.032200b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:15:06 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery In-Reply-To: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452280E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:25:28 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: faaa1e45-d9d7-4c13-a805-5dfac4e0189f Status: RO At 15:22 03/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th >century pillow case i got as a gift: > >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm > >It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about >using destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the >wash, shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery >and iron on the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i >suppose i should be carefull with the ironing........... >I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun >will harm it. > >Bjarne The Museum of London washes early 19thc white embroidered fabric, which this strongly reminds me of, in plain water to start with, leaving it to soak. I don't believe they heat the water but use it cold. I am sure if you asked the conservators at Rosenborg or the other museum in Copenhagen whose name I cannot remember, they would be happy to advise you. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 11:48:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93FmLOT030731 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:48:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93FmH5c019457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:48:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93Fkqwt025299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93FkndW069991; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93FkgBx069851 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-71-66-106-120.neo.res.rr.com [71.66.106.120]) by ms-smtp-03.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k93FkdMH018572 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003401c6e703$1d84fa10$0302a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:46:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45228641.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:48:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 318da4c7-de5d-452e-8a7a-27ea0b6f6abd Status: RO Thank you *so* much for sharing! The pillow is exquisite. ailith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:22 AM Subject: [h-cost] white embroidery > Hi, > As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th > century pillow case i got as a gift: > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm > > It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about using > destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, > shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on > the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should > be carefull with the ironing........... > I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will > harm it. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 11:59:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93Fxlc9031265 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:59:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93Fxiq6030341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:59:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93Fvj0M027336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:57:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93FvU31081383; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93FvF9u081077 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:57:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7D9BC918D; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:56:53 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupport-MailScanner-From: cahuff@clearviewcatv.net X-Spam-Status: No X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume in Film...at Winterthur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452288F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: f8fd8244-8345-4bc9-ab5d-a359c370ec41 Status: RO At 7:51 AM -0700 10/3/06, Patty Dennis wrote: >Fashion in Film: Period Costumes for the Screen > >WHAT: The exhibition features 35 costumes created for film >adaptations of classic novels and movies set from the 16th to >mid-20th century. Costumes were worn by Nicole Kidman, Gwyneth >Paltrow, Meryl Streep, Madonna, Colin Firth and Ralph Fiennes. > >WHERE: Winterthur, Del. 52, six miles northwest of Wilmington > >WHEN: 10 am - 5 pm Tuesday-Sunday through Jan. 7, 2007. Museum is >closed on Mondays. > >COST: The exhibition is included with admission. $20; students and >seniors $18; ages 2 to 11 $10. > >ALSO: At 3 pm November 4 in Winterthur's Visitor Center's Copeland >Lecture Hall, a panel will discuss feature film costume design. The >event, "Fashion in Film: A Professional Perspective," sponsored by >Greater Philadelphia Filmmakers, will feature an audience >participation Q&A session with John Bright, an Academy Award-winning >costume designer who is founder and managing director of Cosprop. >The cost is $50; Winterthur members and Film Office Listers $35; >students with ID $25. Preregistration is recommended. Call >(800)448-3883 to register. > >INFORMATION: (800) 448-3883 or www.winterthur.org > >Some of the costumes featured are Gwyneth Paltrow's wedding gown >from "Emma", the costume ball gown (with wings) from "Ever After", >Kate Winslet's wedding gown from "Sense and Sensibility", Swoosie >Kurtz's gown from "Dangerous Liaisons", one of Colin Firth's >costumes from "Pride and Prejudice", a gown worn by Liz Taylor in >"Young Toscanini", Julie Christie's wedding gown from "Hamlet". > >All the costumes are authentic from the skin out since that's >something John Bright is known for. -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 13:11:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HBUkb001634 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:11:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93HBRDW026171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:11:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HAmmi038517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HANTM058894; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93E1xSG069316 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061003140153.GADK8040.fep33.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:01:53 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.80]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061003140153.FZMI16068.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:01:53 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c6e6f4$8632e950$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:02:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.164.110.80] at Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:01:51 +0200 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=41% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] paillons updated X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452299BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:11:31 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 341d6c09-05e5-4f12-bf6c-18bc40563997 Status: RO Hi, Remember some time ago i was looking for special flower paillons for my suit? Today i went shopping grosgrain ribbon to a new tricorne i make, and in that shop i found them! They were excactly as i wanted them. Isnt it strange that sometimes things do succed for you? I was unhappy for the ones i had used on the embroidery because they were filligree made, those i found today, looks very like the original ones.............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 13:15:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HFMlF001753 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:15:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93HFI39014560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:15:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HDPKk038881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HDMdE062261; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93EViH9096213 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c71.16f4533 (60466) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM013-ec324522744215f; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 10:31:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <33d16f2f7b3468d2a23ad84add5deda3@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:31:29 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45229AA6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:15:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2fad8d34-aa09-4325-887f-b5a1cdbb5f6d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k93HFMlF001753 Status: RO What a delight! Thanks for posting, Bjarne. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th > century pillow case i got as a gift: > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm > > It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about > using destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the > wash, shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and > iron on the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i > suppose i should be carefull with the ironing........... > I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will > harm it. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 13:39:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HdTd1002566 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:39:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93HdOQo001628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:39:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HcB5g042058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:38:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HavPw087354; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93HabXO086761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:36:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k93HaM9A085538 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:36:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:36:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <12035.65.117.156.5.1159896982.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <33d16f2f7b3468d2a23ad84add5deda3@aol.com> References: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> <33d16f2f7b3468d2a23ad84add5deda3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:36:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Jacques Fath Archives X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4522A04C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:39:30 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: bb9c38e9-1fe7-421f-882e-b0ee612ebb69 Status: RO http://tinyurl.com/lwcom I could not resist .. Neiman Marcus is selling a Couture archive! Jacques Fath led a magnificent life. The glamorous, self-taught Frenchman opened his couture salon in Paris in 1937 and became one of the first French designers to export haute couture collection to the United States. By 1947, his sweeping skirts were reshaping a global industry still in its infancy. In 1949, he earned a Neiman Marcus Award for Distinguished Service in the Field of Fashion. He dressed some of the most elegant celebrities of his time. Fath apprenticeships launched the careers of Hubert de Givenchy and Guy Laroche. Sadly, the magic ended abruptly with his death in 1954. Two years later, his widow closed the couture line. 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For more information about securing and preserving this distinct legacy, please call 1.877.9NM.GIFT. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 15:14:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93JEOYF005873 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:14:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93JELcu030577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:14:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93JDFSB055505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93JDAmY038991; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93JD4ij038861 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.45.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.45]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GUphP-0000Fe-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:13:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C8BA635-5313-11DB-8F99-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:15:36 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4522B68D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: dda37651-9924-4617-aadc-ea6ccb226d9b Status: RO The embroidery is exquisite, and I'm thrilled by the way the lace perfectly complements the embroidered motifs. Do you know, would the designer of the embroidery have purposely set out to achieve this effect? --that is, did the selection of the lace precede the designing of the pillowcase? I know you couldn't say for sure of course! but was such a practice customary? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th > century pillow case i got as a gift: > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm > > It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about > using destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the > wash, shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and > iron on the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i > suppose i should be carefull with the ironing........... > I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will > harm it. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 3 16:58:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93Kws1l009201 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:58:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k93KwmLA032352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:58:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93KuCTl077739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93Ku7U2055889; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k93Ku249055652 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:56:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061003205550.TINE5359.fep34.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:55:50 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.55]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061003205550.GIGM8103.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:55:50 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c6e72e$504467d0$3714a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> <8C8BA635-5313-11DB-8F99-0030656EBF34@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:55:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.55] at Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:55:44 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4522CF08.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:58:54 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4c00eb03-3b4c-4ae8-b965-6c6220e83ecb Status: RO Dear Ruth, Oh i must say that i really dont know. But i would say that it was not the case. My guess is they just picked up a lace for the pillow after it was embroidered. But you must remember they had many different design laces to choose from, in Denmark f. instance, several thousind lacemakers worked in the south of Jutland near Tonder. The lace has yellowed a little by the age, i think it would have ben more white, when new. I have planned to ask at the lace list, wich kind of lace it is, as i really dont have any expertise with 18th century lace. The feel of that linnen lace, makes me cry, because we cant have that kind of bobbin lace thread in flax anymore. The cotton i use, is much more "collapsable" and needs a little starch, if i want to have that feeling to it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery > The embroidery is exquisite, and I'm thrilled by the way the lace > perfectly complements the embroidered motifs. Do you know, would the > designer of the embroidery have purposely set out to achieve this > effect? --that is, did the selection of the lace precede the designing of > the pillowcase? I know you couldn't say for sure of course! but was such a > practice customary? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th >> century pillow case i got as a gift: >> >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm >> >> It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about using >> destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, >> shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on >> the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should >> be carefull with the ironing........... >> I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will >> harm it. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 06:37:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Ab7nX028780 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:37:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94Ab48g016073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:37:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AZWCQ083887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AZM7D086955; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9414xT9081196 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so8453pye for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:04:59 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=S+peMO4F7vYSs94udCwP3OWpDRHzI0Lol+z+xELiI+EuJXr4PzmrccFIYS/0rEz82oFBLnv4lZIOgD3yAPyLqISzx/F2+eNDkseSBrP7/1cQZkW9xcEiI7N4WVyUaSaQrKFB8e6uvPqbVP2f7zln3/iJj1RVVOane7H0P+G3IEE= Received: by 10.65.248.19 with SMTP id a19mr10195380qbs; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.237.12 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:04:59 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Looking for a child's tux X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45238ED0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:37:08 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: db38c882-05de-40b9-a8bc-b974a9336c27 Status: RO A dear young friend of mine would like to be Fred Astaire for Halloween. Christopher believes he needs a tux, or preferably tails, and a top hat. Do any of you Silicon Valley area people know where to find one on the cheap? Christopher is 6 yrs old, but he's tall & skinny & tap dances just like Fred Astaire. If you see one while cruzing discount shops, used clothing stores or thrift shops give a yell. We'll go have a look. Thanks much! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 06:38:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AcDHq028930 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:38:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94AcADg009686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:38:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AafrO084298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:36:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AaZE2088090; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:36:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k940ieE2065113 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:44:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon.nevin@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id o67so2074pye for ; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:44:29 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:x-mailer:date:to:from:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type; b=KTFCrPprPlP73DlhIOpc+oAhyltn+WA9P3rh9FrvYC0tlwYWfCVChztE8ZX+N0yIayOksCnu9r2AZXlZUiiu7xSQTgLVKKRHXoOB2orENqZ6QqbbXtMZNwM8zx7K2oOHHwxaCuntgTlBPXN+/CnwEb8xO8f6m0qeLhETxK9l4xg= Received: by 10.35.41.12 with SMTP id t12mr5336pyj; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from koid-gath.gmail.com ( [124.180.239.227]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 20sm7869nzp.2006.10.03.17.44.27; Tue, 03 Oct 2006 17:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20061004104103.01e04978@pop.gmail.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.1.2 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:44:38 +1000 To: Historical Costume From: Sharon Nevin Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery In-Reply-To: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c6e6f7$585b0af0$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45238F12.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sharon _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 06:38:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Ac6LA028918 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:38:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94Ac30M016873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:38:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Ab3QU084428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AawcK088512; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:36:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9426eH8027755 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A5BA14250024; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 02:00:26 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:06:57 -0700 Message-ID: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <000701c6e72e$504467d0$3714a150@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:38:06 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 91ca9354-3f05-4f37-86bd-e7916bc7e287 Status: RO Just out of curiosity, why can't you get flax lace anymore? Is the thread not available, or is no one making it? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Dear Ruth, Oh i must say that i really dont know. But i would say that it was not the case. My guess is they just picked up a lace for the pillow after it was embroidered. But you must remember they had many different design laces to choose from, in Denmark f. instance, several thousind lacemakers worked in the south of Jutland near Tonder. The lace has yellowed a little by the age, i think it would have ben more white, when new. I have planned to ask at the lace list, wich kind of lace it is, as i really dont have any expertise with 18th century lace. The feel of that linnen lace, makes me cry, because we cant have that kind of bobbin lace thread in flax anymore. The cotton i use, is much more "collapsable" and needs a little starch, if i want to have that feeling to it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery > The embroidery is exquisite, and I'm thrilled by the way the lace > perfectly complements the embroidered motifs. Do you know, would the > designer of the embroidery have purposely set out to achieve this > effect? --that is, did the selection of the lace precede the designing of > the pillowcase? I know you couldn't say for sure of course! but was such a > practice customary? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> Hi, >> As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th >> century pillow case i got as a gift: >> >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm >> >> It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about >> using >> destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, >> shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on >> the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should >> be carefull with the ironing........... >> I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will >> harm it. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 06:38:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AcbFL028986 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:38:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94AcX9j006950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:38:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Aar3Y084374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AapTv088374; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94587A4062370 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GUyzD1Oij-0000vO; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 01:08:05 -0400 Message-ID: <00b601c6e773$0e6fa190$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 01:07:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Celebrating Halloween X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45238F29.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:38:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 094ccf06-cf31-4253-8ebc-a9a856a8b059 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k94AcbFL028986 Status: RO I am so excited! We are having our first Halloween contest on The Costume Gallery's Websites. The winners are given a really nice free costume of their choice or a goulish table setting/party pack. Each contestant can earn points that cumulate until Fri. Oct. 13. The prizes are awarded on Oct. 16. I worked really hard to get such good prizes from our sponsor. The daily challenges are really fun to earn points and some educational! Here is the official announcement about the contest: A Halloween Contest at The Costume Gallery Websites: http://www.costumegallery.com/HalloweenContest/ We are thrilled to announce our first Halloween contest! Three people will win the contest. The prizes are: ---Two people will win the costume of their choice from www.SpiritHalloween.com . A value of up to $170 per winner. --- One person will win a 29-piece Goulish Party Pack prize worth $234. This includes everything you see on the table setting on the front webpage of the Contest, except the pumpkins and candles. One raven candle holder is included. Because the majority of this Party Pack is made of ceramics and heavy, it will only be shipped in the U.S. You can see detailed photos of the individual pieces on our Prize webpage. I have seen this party pack in a Spirits retail store and it is so cool! Earn CGpoints to win the contest. The points are cumulative. There are several ways to earn CG Points. See: http://www.costumegallery.com/HalloweenContest/points.htm Please make sure to book this webpage. It is updated daily with another challenge question. Every day through Oct. 13, there will be a different Challenge question. All deal with the Halloween season and costumes. Two challenge questions are on the webpage now. There are also several other ways to earn points listed on the CG Points webpage. Make sure to check them out! You can view the Top Ten Contestants CG Points names daily on the Top Ten Webpage. The top ten contestants' total points are listed for the previous day. http://www.costumegallery.com/HalloweenContest/topten.htm Please feel free to pass this message to your friends or email lists. Good luck with the contest and I hope you have a lot of fun! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 06:44:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Ai9xg029768 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:44:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94Ai1AZ020936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:44:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AhGvd085911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AhENs094528; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Ah8EL094455 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1GV4DT1itq-0000m6; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c6e7a1$d9333300$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <451CE1D002000014000C17E3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk><451D3815.7080201@reddawn.net> <45237B2D02000014000C1DB6@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Missing posts Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:42:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45239071.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 06:44:09 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 773733fc-15d8-4523-8d4c-98a33492fdfc Status: RO Kate, I didn't see that first post either. But that was my first on missing. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Missing posts > Strangely, it seems to be Bjarne's posts in particular that I'm not > receiving. I see replies to messages of his but never get the original > message. Very odd. > > > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 07:00:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94B0q0S032077 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:00:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94B0koV024688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:00:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AxpO6087586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:59:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AxnZb006220; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AxkKE006108 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:59:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.555.7a8d38d (58808) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: <555.7a8d38d.3254ee1b@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:59:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Looking for a child's tux To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4523945E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:00:52 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 287caba9-95e5-4996-a545-f8cd38852b02 Status: RO In a message dated 10/4/2006 6:42:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cinbarnes@gmail.com writes: Christopher believes he needs a tux, or preferably tails, and a top hat. I'm sure you can rent one with advance notice from a formal rental store. 'Course, that wouldn't be cheap! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 08:26:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94CQU2Q001913 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:26:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94CQR5g023899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:26:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94CPBlK096876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:25:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94CP6na067907; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94COuTe067775 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:25:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m198.in-tch.com [216.166.191.198]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k94CD6Q19107 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:13:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000e01c6e7b1$40862a80$c6bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:33:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4523A873.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:26:30 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 82045471-5412-449f-b7a8-7d5ec267f18f Status: RO You can certainly get linen lace, and linen threads. It's the *fineness* of the linen threads used then, that can't be duplicated now. In linen. So you've either got to use a thicker linen, or use a fine thread, but in a different fiber/material. Even when using another plant-based fiber (such as the cotton about which Bjarne spoke), the finished product isn't going to be quite the same. *Especially* if you're comparing using something like a cotton thread (cotton has really, really short fibers) with something like a hand-spun, wet-spun linen thread made from line flax (which has fibers many times longer than cotton thread). The two fibers even come from different parts of their respective plants, require different amounts of twist when spinning, different techniques, etc. You can see the difference, somewhat, if you think of the feel of modern cotton fabric and a modern linen fabric of the same weight, even though the linen fabric most likely was *not* woven out of thread made from line flax. --Sue, apparently channeling the spinning part of herself this morning.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] white embroidery > Just out of curiosity, why can't you get flax lace anymore? Is the thread > not available, or is no one making it? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:56 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery > > > Dear Ruth, > Oh i must say that i really dont know. But i would say that it was not the > case. My guess is they just picked up a lace for the pillow after it was > embroidered. But you must remember they had many different design laces to > choose from, in Denmark f. instance, several thousind lacemakers worked in > the south of Jutland near Tonder. > The lace has yellowed a little by the age, i think it would have ben more > white, when new. I have planned to ask at the lace list, wich kind of lace > it is, as i really dont have any expertise with 18th century lace. The feel > of that linnen lace, makes me cry, because we cant have that kind of bobbin > lace thread in flax anymore. The cotton i use, is much more "collapsable" > and needs a little starch, if i want to have that feeling to it. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery > > > > The embroidery is exquisite, and I'm thrilled by the way the lace > > perfectly complements the embroidered motifs. Do you know, would the > > designer of the embroidery have purposely set out to achieve this > > effect? --that is, did the selection of the lace precede the designing of > > the pillowcase? I know you couldn't say for sure of course! but was such a > > > practice customary? > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > > On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th > >> century pillow case i got as a gift: > >> > >> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm > >> > >> It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about > >> using > >> destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, > >> shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on > >> the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should > >> be carefull with the ironing........... > >> I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will > >> harm it. > >> > >> Bjarne > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leif og Bjarne Drews > >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >> > >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 09:07:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94D7msk002717 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:07:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94D7js5017630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:07:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94D71NY001878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:07:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94D6wig097534; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:06:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94D6qe1097421 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:06:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061004130646.WXL11565.fep32.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:06:46 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.107]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061004130646.GRVF29529.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:06:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c6e7b5$f6afefe0$6b43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:06:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.67.107] at Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:06:44 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4523B221.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:07:48 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 1c482d49-bae7-46d9-a6c6-3b417dc385a0 Status: RO Hi, For such fine laces you need a thread of the size 250- 350. The thinnest you can get these days is 140, wich would be almost doubble as thick as required. All the worlds lacemakers who makes the old laces, needs to use cotton thread because they cant get thin enough flax thread. I have heard some, using polyesther thread, wich i think is chrazy, but you know, world is full of strange people......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:06 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] white embroidery > Just out of curiosity, why can't you get flax lace anymore? Is the thread > not available, or is no one making it? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:56 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery > > > Dear Ruth, > Oh i must say that i really dont know. But i would say that it was not the > case. My guess is they just picked up a lace for the pillow after it was > embroidered. But you must remember they had many different design laces to > choose from, in Denmark f. instance, several thousind lacemakers worked in > the south of Jutland near Tonder. > The lace has yellowed a little by the age, i think it would have ben more > white, when new. I have planned to ask at the lace list, wich kind of lace > it is, as i really dont have any expertise with 18th century lace. The > feel > of that linnen lace, makes me cry, because we cant have that kind of > bobbin > lace thread in flax anymore. The cotton i use, is much more "collapsable" > and needs a little starch, if i want to have that feeling to it. > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:15 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery > > >> The embroidery is exquisite, and I'm thrilled by the way the lace >> perfectly complements the embroidered motifs. Do you know, would the >> designer of the embroidery have purposely set out to achieve this >> effect? --that is, did the selection of the lace precede the designing of >> the pillowcase? I know you couldn't say for sure of course! but was such >> a > >> practice customary? >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >> On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th >>> century pillow case i got as a gift: >>> >>> http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm >>> >>> It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about >>> using >>> destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, >>> shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on >>> the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should >>> be carefull with the ironing........... >>> I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will >>> harm it. >>> >>> Bjarne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Leif og Bjarne Drews >>> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >>> >>> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 09:55:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94DsuSm003727 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:54:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94Dsr16025797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:54:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Dral9007855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94DrKGK041653; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94DrG5J041539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:53:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from int.omr ([172.20.50.104] helo=omr.tzo.com) by omr.tzo.com with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GV7BP-0004vs-C9 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:53:11 -0400 X-TZO-Forward: h-costume@indra.com Received: from 71.197.44.2 by omr.tzo.com id 2006100409531195367 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:53:11 GMT Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.1.102]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:48:23 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:53:02 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <00dc01c6e7bc$6d53bc70$6601a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2757 In-Reply-To: <000a01c6e7b5$f6afefe0$6b43a150@CPQ21932199711> Thread-Index: AcbntraWrIU/Cyq8TDGMxRhxTamo6QABRX2w X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2006 13:48:23.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2483310:01C6E7BB] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4523BD2D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: f63674ca-0c76-46f0-b21e-a41d7e860e38 Status: RO This might be a good time to inquire- what do these numbers mean? I know it is a sizing reference, but how do they apply? Bigger number neams smaller thread, but how much smaller is 80 thread half as thick (diameter only) as 40 thread? Or does a certain length/skein of 80 weigh half as much as the same amount of 40? Is there a handy reference to see/feel the various size categories? Thanks much in advance, Betsy (occasional spinner, but not of linen, yet) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Hi, For such fine laces you need a thread of the size 250- 350. The thinnest you can get these days is 140, wich would be almost doubble as thick as required. All the worlds lacemakers who makes the old laces, needs to use cotton thread because they cant get thin enough flax thread. I have heard some, using polyesther thread, wich i think is chrazy, but you know, world is full of strange people......... Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 10:23:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94ENFx3004628 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:23:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94ENCqY014678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:23:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94EMDXT011666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94EM8Uu068448; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:22:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k94EM4Sv068325 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 08:22:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vickycoleen2000@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95761 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Oct 2006 14:21:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eoLKNP7yXYITTa7vGR1v1LQK8RJeOZ6OHD6sRx9GQhvY/VJ9AkwM9Eb0FTYknlNcONTVzcVz7smM83/b5wF5PUgb7P2qDrgju7t4mXavP/HHHKMvEMgadXiUeF7AMYUGSLh7NWgruKL+x9Vhc6Ks/sdhQoWbBzBoTPY8fhjK1eg= ; Message-ID: <20061004142159.95759.qmail@web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [162.40.227.200] by web31901.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 07:21:59 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 07:21:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Vicky Simpson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Nylon chiffon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4523C3D0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Vicky www.southerngracedesigns.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 10:26:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94EQ3a3004637 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:26:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94EQ0rB017426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:26:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AZgV0083931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:35:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94AZddW087138; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k942ES9J033767 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7850438C0B for ; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:14:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] paillons updated Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:14:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <000a01c6e6f4$8632e950$506ea450@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4523C478.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 10:26:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94EQ3a5004637 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:26:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94EQ0rD017426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:26:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Abunj084696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Abr9r089431; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 04:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k948E9Hm089414 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 02:14:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.11598716; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:13:40 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k948DZI23673.; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:13:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:13:34 +0100 Message-Id: <45237B2D02000014000C1DB6@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 09:13:17 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Missing posts References: <451CE1D002000014000C17E3@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> <451D3815.7080201@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <451D3815.7080201@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=34% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4523C478.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 11:58:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94FwDn7011557 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:58:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94FwA3S006225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:58:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94FtqSV025987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Fpo1r061438; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94FoEeZ059523 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:51:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Oct 2006 16:49:46 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAJxzI0WBToo+AgcECgcGHQ Received: from 88-107-121-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.121.58]:2742 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GV90D-000Gpl-VS for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:49:46 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004164433.031d7528@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:49:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Wedding Veil (in U.K only please) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4523DA12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:58:14 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: dd220de3-8ca3-426b-bcee-e139be540db6 Status: RO The lady for whom I am making the Victorian dress, which I am rudely calling a tea cosy, has at the last moment decided she needs a wedding veil, but because of all the frou-frou at the neck of the dress, it needs to be short. Shoulder length or chin length would be ideal, and as plain as possible in ivory silk tulle or nylon tulle. I cannot make this for her as I can no longer be neat enough to roll that kind of hem, so it is no use getting a length of tulle, or shortening a ready made one. Can any U.K. lister suggest anywhere I can try> I have looked at everything I can see on Google and others, but maybe I am not looking in the right places. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 12:05:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94G5gPb011777 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:05:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94G5dmM020109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:05:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94G36dQ027047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:03:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94G2xWB074040; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:03:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94G2pIe073858 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:02:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tudorldy@aol.com) Received: from Tudorldy@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.be3.1fed91e (60463) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D44 (fwm-d44.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.20]) by ciaaol-r04.mx.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR044-ec2f4523db2045; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:02:41 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:02:40 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tudorldy@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20221 Received: from 216.161.54.249 by FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com (205.188.162.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:02:40 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8B5E5A79B2376-728-1CCC@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.20 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Disappearing mail order place X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4523DBD3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 12:56:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94GuwYo013224 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:56:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94Gurgj005406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:56:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Gtm0q033889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:55:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94GtFcb031467; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Gt7we031174 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:55:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 14C5738C65 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:54:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Missing posts Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:54:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000901c6e7a1$d9333300$6400a8c0@momlaptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4523E7D5.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Very odd. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 13:27:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HRpmE014375 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:27:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94HRlf2016235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:27:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HQO9r037517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HLR54060221; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HKFOo058775 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:21:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 373FB38C4D for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:20:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:20:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004164433.031d7528@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (in U.K only please) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4523EF13.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:27:51 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2721dd50-732f-418c-8d72-66387cfed9da Status: RO If she is trying to be Period/Authentic, majority of the early Victorian veils were hem or chapel length. I have only seen one veil (now 2) that was chin length that did not cover the face. This isn't the one but pretty close. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebimages/C_T08_MM/full/M83_231_21.jpg If you can find a large enough square of lace that might work with having to hem. Otherwise I vaguely remember hats worn in late Victorian to early Edwardian. Not a lot but not rare. De -----Original Message----- The lady for whom I am making the Victorian dress, which I am rudely calling a tea cosy, has at the last moment decided she needs a wedding veil, but because of all the frou-frou at the neck of the dress, it needs to be short. Shoulder length or chin length would be ideal, and as plain as possible in ivory silk tulle or nylon tulle. I cannot make this for her as I can no longer be neat enough to roll that kind of hem, so it is no use getting a length of tulle, or shortening a ready made one. Can any U.K. lister suggest anywhere I can try> I have looked at everything I can see on Google and others, but maybe I am not looking in the right places. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 13:46:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HkYsv015142 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:46:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94HkUVF032358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:46:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HjOOm040851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:45:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HiVnq086019; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:44:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HiE3V085519 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:44:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Oct 2006 18:43:55 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAJOOI0WBToo+AgcCDAcGHQ Received: from 88-107-121-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.121.58]:3195 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GVAlV-000HoK-2U for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:42:41 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004183916.03228790@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:43:55 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (in U.K only please) In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004164433.031d7528@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4523F377.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:46:34 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 317ae510-5487-487d-9b0f-05dfe1fa1801 Status: RO At 18:20 04/10/2006, you wrote: >If she is trying to be Period/Authentic, majority of the early Victorian >veils were hem or chapel length. I have only seen one veil (now 2) that was >chin length that did not cover the face. >This isn't the one but pretty close. >http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebimages/C_T08_MM/full/M83_231_21.jpg > >If you can find a large enough square of lace that might work with having to >hem. > >Otherwise I vaguely remember hats worn in late Victorian to early Edwardian. >Not a lot but not rare. Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* dress, from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, bridesmaids, and now veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. There is so much around the neckline, like flowers and lace etc. and she doesn't want them covered. It is only the token thing of arriving at the altar with her face covered. Lace here comes in 120" widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, which is why I am not suggesting making it myself. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 13:50:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Hox7B015307 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:50:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94HouE4003814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:50:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HnaqX041396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:49:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HnWGL091798; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:49:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94HnRSX091597 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061004174923.OBIH5359.fep34.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:49:23 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.184]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061004174922.GXMD15236.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:49:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c6e7dd$73329000$b814a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004164433.031d7528@suziclarke.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20061004183916.03228790@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:49:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.184] at Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:49:21 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4523F480.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:50:59 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7a9a8ef6-21ab-4d69-a98f-8dc9e7aee5e0 Status: RO Hi Suzi, How about edging the tulle with the dress material, just a thin edge? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please) > At 18:20 04/10/2006, you wrote: >>If she is trying to be Period/Authentic, majority of the early Victorian >>veils were hem or chapel length. I have only seen one veil (now 2) that >>was >>chin length that did not cover the face. >>This isn't the one but pretty close. >>http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebimages/C_T08_MM/full/M83_231_21.jpg >> >>If you can find a large enough square of lace that might work with having >>to >>hem. >> >>Otherwise I vaguely remember hats worn in late Victorian to early >>Edwardian. >>Not a lot but not rare. > > > Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* dress, > from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, bridesmaids, and now > veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. There is so much around the > neckline, like flowers and lace etc. and she doesn't want them covered. It > is only the token thing of arriving at the altar with her face covered. > > Lace here comes in 120" widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, which > is why I am not suggesting making it myself. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 14:11:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IBL2j015845 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:11:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94IBFmu027854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:11:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94I9S7N043943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:09:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94I7glZ011134; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:07:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94I5l5R008952 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Oct 2006 19:05:34 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAICUI0WBToo+AgcECgcGHQ Received: from 88-107-121-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.121.58]:3334 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GVB7b-000Mxv-Nm for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:05:31 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004190338.032247f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:05:33 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please) In-Reply-To: <000601c6e7dd$73329000$b814a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004164433.031d7528@suziclarke.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20061004183916.03228790@suziclarke.co.uk> <000601c6e7dd$73329000$b814a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4523F944.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:11:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 30b6762e-486a-404c-816a-45efd260239e Status: RO At 18:49 04/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >How about edging the tulle with the dress material, just a thin edge? > >Bjarne > Bjarne - I can't cut tulle evenly enough to make sure the veil is a good shape. (I have problems with my wrist and controlling the scissors when doing really delicate work.) That would be a great idea, if I could do it though. Suzi >>At 18:20 04/10/2006, you wrote: >>>If she is trying to be Period/Authentic, majority of the early Victorian >>>veils were hem or chapel length. I have only seen one veil (now 2) that was >>>chin length that did not cover the face. >>>This isn't the one but pretty close. >>>http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebimages/C_T08_MM/full/M83_231_21.jpg >>> >>>If you can find a large enough square of lace that might work with having to >>>hem. >>> >>>Otherwise I vaguely remember hats worn in late Victorian to early Edwardian. >>>Not a lot but not rare. >> >> >>Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* >>dress, from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, >>bridesmaids, and now veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. >>There is so much around the neckline, like flowers and lace etc. >>and she doesn't want them covered. It is only the token thing of >>arriving at the altar with her face covered. >> >>Lace here comes in 120" widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, >>which is why I am not suggesting making it myself. >> >>Suzi >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 14:12:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94ICbCs015869 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:12:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94ICY7i011440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:12:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IB1Nh044276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IAuxK014856; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:10:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IAmQK014565 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:10:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061004181038.OTWY5359.fep34.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:10:38 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.184]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061004181037.GYAG3609.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:10:37 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c6e7e0$6c890f10$b814a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00dc01c6e7bc$6d53bc70$6601a8c0@PYC64> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery/thread numbers Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:10:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.184] at Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:10:36 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4523F992.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e03efd01-f14f-4f8a-98fd-53465dc7d572 Status: RO Hi, I am sorry but i dont have a clou about that. I can tell you that the number 250 linnen thread is comparable to nr 140 egyptian cotton. Most of my pattern books gives the number required for each lace. The eldest laces i can make with my tecknique is Tonder laces, with tulle ground, they started this in the end of 18th century. Most of these are worked with 250 linnen thread, or some wich are finer with 300 - 350. It all depends of the fine tulle ground, the finer it is, the finer thread. But i must admit, it is seldom i sit at my lacepillow these days, embroidery takes up most of my time. I have however started to make silk laces, its easy to get fine threads in silk, and they look and feels better than cotton. The "tangled garden"- caraco jacket i am making, is going to have sleave frills with a reconstrukted lace i made from "Costume in Detail" having chenille as a gimp. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] white embroidery > This might be a good time to inquire- what do these numbers mean? > I know it is a sizing reference, but how do they apply? Bigger number > neams > smaller thread, but how much smaller is 80 thread half as thick (diameter > only) as 40 thread? Or does a certain length/skein of 80 weigh half as > much > as the same amount of 40? Is there a handy reference to see/feel the > various > size categories? > Thanks much in advance, Betsy (occasional spinner, but not of linen, yet) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:07 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery > > Hi, > For such fine laces you need a thread of the size 250- 350. > The thinnest you can get these days is 140, wich would be almost doubble > as > thick as required. > All the worlds lacemakers who makes the old laces, needs to use cotton > thread because they cant get thin enough flax thread. I have heard some, > using polyesther thread, wich i think is chrazy, but you know, world is > full > > of strange people......... > > Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 14:27:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IRWY9016146 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:27:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94IRTFN024507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:27:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IPlNU046601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:25:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IPTl6030786; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IP63i030445 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 834FD38C57 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:22:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:22:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004183916.03228790@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4523FD11.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:27:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 96a212f0-dcfd-4769-9c4d-e02864cfbbfa Status: RO Does she really have to have a face veil? If the neckline is so important and ornate then a face veil would be a distraction. A simple head wreath sounds more appropriate. Maybe telling her that the face veil has pagan origins might dissuade her from a veil (kinding). I wish you luck in finding your hemmer. De -----Original Message----- Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* dress, from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, bridesmaids, and now veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. There is so much around the neckline, like flowers and lace etc. and she doesn't want them covered. It is only the token thing of arriving at the altar with her face covered. Lace here comes in 120" widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, which is why I am not suggesting making it myself. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 14:58:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IwBec016706 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:58:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94Iw7ct003576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:58:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94IuESc050742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:56:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Itd4N062667; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:55:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94ItLgT062205 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:55:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.79]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:55:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:55:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:55:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "GermanRenCostume" , "TheRenaissanceTailor" , "h-costume" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:55:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:55:06 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2006 18:55:05.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[9ACFECD0:01C6E7E6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Finally - the pictures of the military bases are up. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4524043F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:58:11 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c00b86e3-e926-4388-a2cb-237007b2710a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k94IwBec016706 Status: RO http://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.html I finally got a response from the museum (the curator is in Europe - whaaaa!) Here are the pictures. Enjoy! Would love to hear your opinions. I am waiting to hear back from the textile expert in Sweden. He has offered to take a look at the pictures - but said of course it would only be a limited opinion since he could not handle the garment himself. Cheers, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 15:09:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94J9UHo016997 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:09:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94J9RIY013370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:09:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94J7Gt0052100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94J3YDJ071673; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94J3Ecs071144 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Oct 2006 19:53:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHuiI0WBToo+AgcCDAcGHQ Received: from 88-107-121-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.121.58]:3519 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GVBsO-0000Jh-77 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:53:52 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004195204.032285f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:53:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please) In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004183916.03228790@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452406E7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:09:30 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7412804a-e14d-4731-885d-f786a5ae2878 Status: RO At 19:22 04/10/2006, you wrote: >Does she really have to have a face veil? If the neckline is so important >and ornate then a face veil would be a distraction. A simple head wreath >sounds more appropriate. Maybe telling her that the face veil has pagan >origins might dissuade her from a veil (kinding). >I wish you luck in finding your hemmer. > We have found a veil that she likes and that is not too expensive, thank goodness. The husband-to-be wants the traditional veil, so as she says, she will do it for him - it is not her choice! (or mine!) Suzi >-----Original Message----- >Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* >dress, from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, bridesmaids, >and now veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. There is so >much around the neckline, like flowers and lace etc. and she doesn't >want them covered. It is only the token thing of arriving at the >altar with her face covered. > >Lace here comes in 120" widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, >which is why I am not suggesting making it myself. > >Suzi > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 15:20:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94JKhbJ017374 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:20:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94JKeY8009832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:20:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94JIebf053470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94JFqb2084940; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94JFl7S084820 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:15:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 17F3B38C66 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:15:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Finally - the pictures of the military bases are up. Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:15:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45240988.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:20:44 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 624a391e-e93c-4fa1-90f1-22d3e7cdf533 Status: RO http://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.html This might work better. Love the close pictures De -----Original Message----- http://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.html I finally got a response from the museum (the curator is in Europe - whaaaa!) Here are the pictures. Enjoy! Would love to hear your opinions. I am waiting to hear back from the textile expert in Sweden. He has offered to take a look at the pictures - but said of course it would only be a limited opinion since he could not handle the garment himself. Cheers, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 15:42:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Jg767018316 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:42:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94Jg4QM023846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:42:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94JfBVM056541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Jee3L013923; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94JeSF8013593 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:40:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A94BA6E82 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:40:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45240E2A.3030904@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:40:26 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please) References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004183916.03228790@suziclarke.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20061004195204.032285f8@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004195204.032285f8@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45240E8C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 27bab3eb-db9a-41b4-9a37-9179dba6b299 Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > We have found a veil that she likes and that is not too expensive, thank > goodness. The husband-to-be wants the traditional veil, so as she says, > she will do it for him - it is not her choice! (or mine!) > I seem to hear that a lot from brides lately. My husband wanted me to wear a veil too, though I hadn't originally planned on one. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 16:00:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94K0ewl018883 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:00:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94K0aHn014511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:00:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94JxNPb059178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94JxI11033232; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94JxDCh033062 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brenna.sharp@comcast.net) Received: from horse (c-71-236-154-255.hsd1.or.comcast.net[71.236.154.255]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20061004195907m1200ou8fne>; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:59:07 +0000 Message-ID: <00bf01c6e7ef$f8ecb420$6601a8c0@hsd1.or.comcast.net> From: "Brenna" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004164433.031d7528@suziclarke.co.uk><7.0.1.0.2.20061004183916.03228790@suziclarke.co.uk><000601c6e7dd$73329000$b814a150@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20061004190338.032247f8@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil(inU.K only please) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 13:02:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452412E4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:00:40 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 35459282-8bcc-4fc4-9a30-b88971d887d8 Status: RO Would a rotary cutter help? There are both large and small wheels available. The small ones are only about 1" across and can do fairly intricate work.... -Brenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil(inU.K only please) > Bjarne - I can't cut tulle evenly enough to make sure the veil is a > good shape. (I have problems with my wrist and controlling the > scissors when doing really delicate work.) That would be a great > idea, if I could do it though. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 16:21:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94KLW4m019470 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:21:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94KLTkE029397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:21:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94KJgRW061686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94KJW3W054017; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94KJRJ5053844 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:19:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20061004201922012002disie>; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:19:22 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <96193571-D351-48E5-92C3-8668A8AEDB1C@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Finally - the pictures of the military bases are up. Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:23:18 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452417C9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:21:33 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e6df9abe-639a-4a5d-9ead-b910529a60b9 Status: RO Hi, These are great pictures, but I haven't been following the thread, so when it said "Military Bases" I was thinking, you know, building compounds with barracks and hangars and garages full of troops and airplanes and trucks! I am not in 16th C (yet) -- what does it mean to call these garments "military bases"? Thanks! Lauren On Oct 4, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > http://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.html www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.html> > > I finally got a response from the museum (the curator is in Europe > - whaaaa!) > > Here are the pictures. Enjoy! > > Would love to hear your opinions. I am waiting to hear back from > the textile expert in Sweden. He has offered to take a look at the > pictures - but said of course it would only be a limited opinion > since he could not handle the garment himself. > > Cheers, > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 17:17:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94LHdJ0020956 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:17:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94LHW8m017670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:17:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94L24th066347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94L1TXt095822; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:01:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94L1LOW095453 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Oct 2006 21:58:58 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAF28I0WBToo+AgcECgcGHQ Received: from 88-107-121-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.121.58]:3600 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GVDpR-000Ay6-MS for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:58:57 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004215719.0322cf50@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:58:59 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil(inU.K only please) In-Reply-To: <00bf01c6e7ef$f8ecb420$6601a8c0@hsd1.or.comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004164433.031d7528@suziclarke.co.uk> <7.0.1.0.2.20061004183916.03228790@suziclarke.co.uk> <000601c6e7dd$73329000$b814a150@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20061004190338.032247f8@suziclarke.co.uk> <00bf01c6e7ef$f8ecb420$6601a8c0@hsd1.or.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452424EC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:17:40 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 1bb3a4a8-4717-4b01-8a74-51ca4d5fbe0a Status: RO At 21:02 04/10/2006, you wrote: >Would a rotary cutter help? There are both large and small wheels >available. The small ones are only about 1" across and can do fairly >intricate work.... > >-Brenna > > > > Bjarne - I can't cut tulle evenly enough to make sure the veil is a > > good shape. (I have problems with my wrist and controlling the > > scissors when doing really delicate work.) That would be a great > > idea, if I could do it though. Thanks for the suggestion, but I would need to do it so rarely, it is not worth the investment. It must be 5 years since I needed to cut tulle accurately, so as you can see, it is not a regular thing! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 17:33:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94LX5ln021306 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:33:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94LX1gS031664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:33:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94LTLvH069619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94LTESL025402; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:29:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94LT2Es025113 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:29:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.84]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:28:57 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:28:56 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:28:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" , "GermanRenCostume" , "TheRenaissanceTailor" References: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:28:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:28:55 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2006 21:28:56.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[19498020:01C6E7FC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What is a military base X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4524288D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:33:05 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9b34ec5c-5458-43b0-851d-e806c52b03e3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k94LX5ln021306 Status: RO http://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.html Thank you for the correction to the link...not sure why it did that. To the question of what a Military base is - pretty simply, it is "typically" a padded/quilted skirt worn as light armor. I say typically, because of course, there are variations on it. Some were just decorative, some were protective. Some were attached to padded "bodices," others were just "coverups." Here is one of my favorite pictures of several: http://tinyurl.com/oj5c3 Another, which I cannot seem to conjure up at the moment is of a man on one knee wearing a skirt and a metal curiass. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 17:36:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94LaaKE021367 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:36:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94LaVq0002520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94LYqAe070368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94LYm5h031250; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94LYhu1031015 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.88]) by bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:34:37 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:34:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:34:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" , "GermanRenCostume" , "TheRenaissanceTailor" References: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:34:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:34:35 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2006 21:34:36.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[E403B1A0:01C6E7FC] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Ugh -sorry about the links..was What is a military base X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4524295F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:36:36 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 335dbc8d-4ea4-4a6b-ae19-7d4491b87fa9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k94LaaKE021367 Status: RO Not sure why my email is doing this. I won't bother to try it again. But do be aware that you can't get to the page via any of the the rest of my website. It isn't linked to anything (because there isn't anything to link to.) I can see that several people are "backing" up to my index page - that wont' help. Sorry - life is too busy to make it pretty! Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: Saragrace Knauf To: Historical Costume ; GermanRenCostume ; TheRenaissanceTailor Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] What is a military base _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:02:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94M2WTV021869 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:02:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94M2TPr015325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:02:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94M1FGh074426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:01:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94M15gh058502; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:01:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94M0wmk058258 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:01:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c57.316e577 (58550) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:00:40 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Nylon chiffon To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45242F75.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:02:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c051824b-434b-468a-8b31-6d98c5e1ed90 Status: RO In a message dated 10/4/06 7:11:28 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Do you know of a source for nylon (or rayon) chiffon? > > Vicky try www.cheapfabrics .com in the UK, but think they ship internationally, and are v good. don't remember what the chiffon is made of (other than synth) but worth a look. debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:12:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MCktI022151 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:12:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MCho7020606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:12:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MBL0W075647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MBLPC068118; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MBEhB067869 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.53e.897821e (58550) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:11:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: <53e.897821e.32558b79@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:11:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding Veil (in U.K only please) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452431DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:12:46 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 82d0a139-5085-437f-b40a-d07573d5a0df Status: RO Have you tried looking on wedding supplier listings sites, like hitched.co.uk, and confetti?? (There are also all sorts of others that come up if you google wedding suppliers). Also, you could try modern veil manufacturers - the probably wouldn't sell to you direct, as it's a one off, but the should be able to tell you if they do anything suitable, and put you in touch with a stockist. (Most probably have websites too.) Ones listed in the latest copy of bridal buyer are: alice james carousel bridal veils elizabeth dickens emmerling joyce jackson bridal veils liza designs malis henderson pauline nichol richard designs trudy lee nieve design couture hope it helps debbie ps - a lot of women on wedding forums are also turning to ebay. pps - if any of them don't come up on a search, adjust the spellings in case my brain's got a head of my fingers again! In a message dated 10/4/06 7:11:28 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > The lady for whom I am making the Victorian dress, which I am rudely > calling a tea cosy, has at the last moment decided she needs a > wedding veil, but because of all the frou-frou at the neck of the > dress, it needs to be short. Shoulder length or chin length would be > ideal, and as plain as possible in ivory silk tulle or nylon tulle. I > cannot make this for her as I can no longer be neat enough to roll > that kind of hem, so it is no use getting a length of tulle, or > shortening a ready made one. > > Can any U.K. lister suggest anywhere I can try> I have looked at > everything I can see on Google and others, but maybe I am not looking > in the right places. > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:12:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MCk3E022154 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:12:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MChm2026756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:12:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MBKC2075640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:11:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MBFC7067981; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:11:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MB9CK067887 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:11:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carynsobel@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Rp/QUMdWXLe8slMILYz6ZNmtfdFFcaf18L83usvO0jBgcGylblHw/cr8MuQ//yy0; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.156.153.7] (helo=SobelWriting) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVExH-0007e6-Dp for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:11:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01c6e801$fe813610$07999c04@SobelWriting> From: "Caryn Sobel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <000e01c6e7b1$40862a80$c6bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:11:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: 251666aee31a72c3c5fbd2bc086b8747239a348a220c26091a52f1fbe7538188389986780f555cc1a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.156.153.7 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452431DB.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:12:47 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: ca015b63-14d5-427c-84af-f894402ba1bb Status: RO Please pardon my ignorance, but why can't we have the same fineness now? Is it a difference in the spinning techniques, or the variety of the plant itself? Or a lack of demand for finer thread? Thanks! Caryn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:28:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MSrek023619 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:28:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MSogN029894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:28:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MR76c077686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:27:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MR4LB082839; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:27:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MR05B082737 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:27:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with SMTP id 1065588403 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:26:57 -0500 Message-ID: <00a001c6e804$36a16d60$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <53e.897821e.32558b79@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:27:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] recent history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452435A2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:28:53 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 16e4b79b-1862-4edc-baa7-47f748a1af81 Status: RO My google skills are not bringing me what I need, so I come to the costume center of the universe for help! My daughter wants to dress "1980s" for a school theme. I've described the look (I lived through it!) but she really wants to see photos. What I remember (small town in the midwest) was a modified version of the valleygirl slash preppy. Punk didn't make it to my part of the world until it was called Goth. :-) Share links if you've got 'em, please! Thanks Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:31:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MV7xG023693 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:31:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MV2OO029336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:31:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MTW6B077971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:29:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MTSmT085180; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:29:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MTPDF085021 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:29:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86D7A7681 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:29:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <452435C4.6010202@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:29:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <53e.897821e.32558b79@aol.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20061004231656.0322be00@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004231656.0322be00@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45243626.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:31:07 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 6706c91b-7152-4624-8b5d-0a9953a0e862 Status: RO Welcome to the 2006 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. **PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE CAREFULLY BEFORE RESPONDING*** Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at Dawn@reddawn.net. Be sure to add my email to your spam filter so that I can reply to you with your exchange information. Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does not end up in the spam-trap. If the phrase "H-COST" does not appear in your subject line I will not get your message. _What we're doing. _ We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read this entire message. The Sign-up Deadline is October 14. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.8th. We're starting earlier based on feedback from last year. Sometime after Oct 14 I will begin sending people their assignments. That's a crazy week for me, so don't panic if I'm a little late. :) _The Rules._ 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. We all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. 4. Please wrap your gift item. Last year many participants said they would like the gift to be a surprise, and will wait to open it. You do not have to use seasonal holiday paper, plain tissue or pretty fabric is just fine. 5. Plan to mail your gift early. Remember that it will cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. 6. After the sign-up period I will create a list of all participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. 7. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person they will send a gift to. I will try not to match you with the same person as last year. Someone else will send a gift to you. For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara will send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by giving and receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who is sending to you. _Join Now!_ 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period ends Oct 14. 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been suggested that you include your dress size. 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a favorite color or theme? 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, please let me know. I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please ask. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:32:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MWx25023740 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:32:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MWtZw000337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:32:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MVvVv078291 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MVujc087597; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:31:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [206.18.177.54]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MVrEU087395 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20061004223146b1400jgigje>; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:31:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: <001f01c6e801$fe813610$07999c04@SobelWriting> References: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <000e01c6e7b1$40862a80$c6bfa6d8@pavilion> <001f01c6e801$fe813610$07999c04@SobelWriting> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <0FB30783-F966-4793-8F73-9311875CBC50@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:35:42 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45243697.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:32:59 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4344b241-3589-4121-9d1c-7697521c0710 Status: RO I've been told two different but related things on this: either the varieties of flax plants as now grown don't produce such fine fibers or that the processing as now done doesn't allow for serfs to hand-sort the fibers to gather all the finest ones up for the spinning and weaving of such ultra-fine fabric. It may be that you have to be growing an awful lot of linen to accumulate enough of the finest fibers, too. Lauren On Oct 4, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Caryn Sobel wrote: > the linen threads used then, that can't be duplicated now. In linen.> > > Please pardon my ignorance, but why can't we have the same fineness > now? Is it a difference in the spinning techniques, or the variety > of the plant itself? Or a lack of demand for finer thread? > > Thanks! > > Caryn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MZKgX023782 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:35:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MZFQ1032292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:35:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MYPhf078595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:34:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MYOrS090158; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:34:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MYKcw090071 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XnUXD73Vu2911qJpaaWz33pa2bfHeAjDax/qVwalslXRmQcd2dSV9Dap882l+M5+; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.53.14.161] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVFJi-0004z4-DZ for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:34:19 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220061034223414484@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] recent history Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:34:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79447e9ce7991a3b8bc3ba371320e886c0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.53.14.161 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45243723.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2e867cd6-5e55-4774-a32e-6a757d7ea84d Status: RO There are lots of 80's movies that could be rented depending on her age. Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Land of Oz > To: Historical Costume > Date: 10/4/2006 3:28:00 PM > Subject: [h-cost] recent history > > My google skills are not bringing me what I need, so I come to the costume > center of the universe for help! > > My daughter wants to dress "1980s" for a school theme. I've described the > look (I lived through it!) but she really wants to see photos. What I > remember (small town in the midwest) was a modified version of the > valleygirl slash preppy. Punk didn't make it to my part of the world until > it was called Goth. :-) > > Share links if you've got 'em, please! > Thanks > Denise B > Iowa > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:40:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Mec14023882 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:40:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MeZBd006353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:40:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MddNx079246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:39:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Mdbkl095315; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MdX5A095243 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with SMTP id 1085045668 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:39:32 -0500 Message-ID: <00e401c6e805$f8860110$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410-220061034223414484@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:39:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45243863.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:40:38 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0206509f-94af-4627-8995-d0d0b048da33 Status: RO > There are lots of 80's movies that could be rented depending on her age. > ah, of course! but it wouldn't be a true school project if you let mom know more than 12 hours ahead of time what you require. The library is closed and there isn't a movie rental place within a half-hour's drive. I'll try IMDB though and see if I can find some movie shots. thanks Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:45:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Mjttf023978 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:45:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MjqWG008548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:45:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Mi9Nj080060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:44:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Mi5Ku099795; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MhxnQ099684 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:44:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=AO7SvUxKh7+EEJBjfFxXZ+H4Uh2RIxnvfdsypJR5sq2Q1uo1WmycF4H1a2xsceNq; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.53.14.161] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVFT4-0007V6-LT for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:43:59 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220061034224355187@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:43:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797753325f5e05e3789249765db44daa7f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.53.14.161 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452439A0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:45:55 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: f0f0f132-c461-4376-97c4-4b728214aecd Status: RO You might know some one with Fart Times At Ridgemont high. Flashdance, 16 candles etc... Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Land of Oz > To: Historical Costume > Date: 10/4/2006 3:41:12 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history > > > There are lots of 80's movies that could be rented depending on her age. > > > > ah, of course! but it wouldn't be a true school project if you let mom know > more than 12 hours ahead of time what you require. The library is closed > and there isn't a movie rental place within a half-hour's drive. I'll try > IMDB though and see if I can find some movie shots. thanks > > Denise B > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:47:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MlQLc024013 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:47:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MlNJ4017244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:47:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Mklrt080418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MkhfK002535; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:46:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MkWFN002375 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061004224631.XEQL5359.fep34.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:46:31 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.217]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061004224631.HCPS16068.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:46:31 +0200 Message-ID: <002e01c6e806$f50c4e30$d9e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc><000e01c6e7b1$40862a80$c6bfa6d8@pavilion> <001f01c6e801$fe813610$07999c04@SobelWriting> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:46:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.217] at Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:46:30 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452439FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:47:26 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3e308293-e988-437f-8771-e0f69bb5887d Status: RO As far as i have heard its not that they cant make it, but its the price wich would be two high that anyone would buy it. Only the best flax can be used for this fine thread, and it needs a lot of work to make it that thin. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caryn Sobel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery > the linen threads used then, that can't be duplicated now. In linen.> > > Please pardon my ignorance, but why can't we have the same fineness now? > Is it a difference in the spinning techniques, or the variety of the plant > itself? Or a lack of demand for finer thread? > > Thanks! > > Caryn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:56:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MuMoS024177 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:56:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MuJjK018636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:56:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MtYCD081447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MtXlW011374; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MtQJ9011232 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:55:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with SMTP id 1065613307 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:55:25 -0500 Message-ID: <00e901c6e808$30acef20$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc><000e01c6e7b1$40862a80$c6bfa6d8@pavilion><001f01c6e801$fe813610$07999c04@SobelWriting> <0FB30783-F966-4793-8F73-9311875CBC50@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:55:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45243C13.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:56:22 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 95d36837-cb35-428e-850c-47b390d32bbd Status: RO > I've been told two different but related things on this: either the > varieties of flax plants as now grown don't produce such fine fibers or > that the processing as now done doesn't allow for serfs to hand-sort the > fibers to gather all the finest ones up for the spinning and weaving of > such ultra-fine fabric. There are several things that influence the fiber diameter in flax production. The main difference in modern times is that it's all mechanized for maximum production. Flax grows a much finer fiber when the plant population is high. (growing close together). Also, to get the finest fibers you have to harvest the plants before the seeds are mature. Modern production places the seeds in the soil at a much more regular spacing than the broadcast seeding done in the past and the plant population density is optimized for cash production. That means that the fiber is harvested when the seed is ready and the plants are strong enough to hold themselves up throughout the growing and harvest seasons. The fiber brings a lower price, but it's offset by the value of the flax seed. There probably isn't enough demand for fine fiber to convince any producers to forgo their seed crop. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 18:59:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MxvuW024245 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:59:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94Mxs4r021515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:59:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Mx3aF081959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:59:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Mx1vl014684; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:59:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94Mwu2x014596 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:58:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.30.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.30]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GVFhX-0001Yf-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:58:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <410-220061034224355187@earthlink.net> References: <410-220061034224355187@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:58:28 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45243CEA.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It's been a rough couple of days, but THIS MOVIE is giving me a wonderful howling laugh! --RuthAnne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 4, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Silvara wrote: > You might know some one with Fart Times At Ridgemont high. .... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 19:05:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94N5rPQ024331 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:05:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94N5nBT026597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:05:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94N4W0P082592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:04:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94N4Ocq019680; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:04:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94N4JaX019596 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeninegits@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x29so625740nfb for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:04:18 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole:from; b=b27Cx/7Rv8Wq/LxqYUVQkjEM1cG5IKXAuJIeKhs5ThmksyWyVTP8vsuBi3r/F5phNuGrMHX7xMJ38sEGQ6dGvHENyXAyU7xK36L0/jJT184p7essVFgcKqxVasfZPHlU410sNR5WPJ5rdAcPV0qbUIHDdW5kU5c9BSXW/qerCdc= Received: by 10.78.185.7 with SMTP id i7mr1135328huf; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Lisa ( [69.146.161.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 38sm86094hua.2006.10.04.16.04.16; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004e01c6e809$6d3f9130$f1a19245@Lisa> To: "Historical Costume" References: <53e.897821e.32558b79@aol.com> <00a001c6e804$36a16d60$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:04:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 From: "L. Williams" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] was: recent history now: 80's looks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45243E4D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:05:53 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9521dede-5040-45b8-8d95-0c7e8342d582 Status: RO How funny that this topic comes up today! While dropping my son off at the mall today, it was very obvious that they had held some type of "retro look" event. High school aged people pouring out of the mall in everything from day-glo paisley mini dresses, pleather mini dresses & white go-go boots to Madonna & Flashdance & Cyndi Lauper looks. Entirely too frightening to think I used to wear those types of things! Lisa W. in MT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 19:11:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NBM1K024404 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:11:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94MM0Im032246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:22:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MKurE076953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MKqB3076958; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MKi1C076759 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Oct 2006 23:20:38 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAMzKI0WBToo+AgcCDAcGHQ Received: from 88-107-121-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.121.58]:3995 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GVF5I-000MoN-LH for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:19:24 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061004231656.0322be00@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:20:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding Veil (in U.K only please) In-Reply-To: <53e.897821e.32558b79@aol.com> References: <53e.897821e.32558b79@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45243408.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:22:04 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 6971a0b7-a576-4ade-8ffe-e5246b18bbda Status: RO At 23:11 04/10/2006, you wrote: >Have you tried looking on wedding supplier listings sites, like >hitched.co.uk, and confetti?? (There are also all sorts of others >that come up if you >google wedding suppliers). > >Also, you could try modern veil manufacturers - the probably wouldn't sell to >you direct, as it's a one off, but the should be able to tell you if they do >anything suitable, and put you in touch with a stockist. (Most probably have >websites too.) > >Ones listed in the latest copy of bridal buyer are: > >alice james >carousel bridal veils >elizabeth dickens >emmerling >joyce jackson bridal veils >liza designs >malis henderson >pauline nichol >richard designs >trudy lee >nieve design couture > > >hope it helps >debbie > >ps - a lot of women on wedding forums are also turning to ebay. > >pps - if any of them don't come up on a search, adjust the spellings in case >my brain's got a head of my fingers again! Thanks Debs - I'll bookmark that for future reference. I did find one here http://www.theweddingveilshop.co.uk/id226.html which will actually do - tried "Bridal" instead of "Wedding" and got a few different references. I really don't *plan* ever to make another wedding dress, except the one for my future daughter-in-law, but you know what they say about the best laid plans! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 19:12:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NCxM7024435 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:12:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94NCtBb031692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:12:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NBejB083415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NBYJG026066; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NBQgj025846 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c34.2ab07d3 (58550) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:11:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:11:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Wedding Veil (in U.K only please) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45243FF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:12:59 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4c041a2b-f8f7-43f4-8e40-5ba72b57e659 Status: RO In a message dated 10/5/06 12:08:55 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Thanks Debs - I'll bookmark that for future reference. I did find one > here http://www.theweddingveilshop.co.uk/id226.html which will > actually do - tried "Bridal" instead of "Wedding" and got a few > different references. I really don't *plan* ever to make another > wedding dress, except the one for my future daughter-in-law, but you > know what they say about the best laid plans! > > Suzi yeah - I keep making plans like that :o) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 19:19:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NJpHJ024585 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:19:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94NJmFA011035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:19:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NISwK084128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NIQH3032176; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:18:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NILBw032040 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c16.62d7080 (40522) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:18:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:18:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45244194.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:19:52 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7cae2b39-f8aa-4c9a-9940-b154b383a8c9 Status: RO In a message dated 10/4/2006 6:59:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: You might know some one with Fart Times At Ridgemont high Considering the audience these types of movies are aimed at, that might be an apt title. . . . Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 19:27:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NRamo024731 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:27:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k94NRXnt016153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:27:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NQXpC085080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:26:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NQTgb039396; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NQOiQ039311 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GVG861qZl-0000sH; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:26:23 -0400 Message-ID: <00b401c6e80c$7d0ca4b0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:26:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dancing with the Stars X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45244365.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:27:36 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 712c2176-d854-40f0-81c3-4d69f17e9cc2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k94NRamo024731 Status: RO Is anyone watching the costumes on Dancing with the Stars? Some of the ladies costumes are so beautiful. I love watching the dress flow on the dance floor. The Spanish inspired skirts last night we really nice. But I couldn't understand Sara Evans costume last night. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 20:21:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950LAOF026389 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:21:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k950L5Io022494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:21:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950JuEG090774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:19:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950JjXu082656; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:19:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3j.socket.net [216.106.88.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950JfUI082588 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1964D3D994 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:19:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] recent history Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:19:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00a001c6e804$36a16d60$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45244FF1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:21:11 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2ddc8126-ef20-442a-bc80-6cac6abcc501 Status: RO http://www.fashion-era.com/1980s_lifestyle_and_fashion.htm http://www.fashion-era.com/power_dressing.htm http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/pop/fashion80.htm http://www.prebble.com/80sFashionFile.html (?) http://www.funwirks.com/new_page_4.htm De -----Original Message----- My google skills are not bringing me what I need, so I come to the costume center of the universe for help! My daughter wants to dress "1980s" for a school theme. I've described the look (I lived through it!) but she really wants to see photos. What I remember (small town in the midwest) was a modified version of the valleygirl slash preppy. Punk didn't make it to my part of the world until it was called Goth. :-) Share links if you've got 'em, please! Thanks Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 20:24:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950OE0G026438 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:24:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k950OBJk016451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950Mt2J091107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950MtWZ084978; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alexander.concentric.com (alexander.concentric.com [207.155.248.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950Mpn4084934 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by alexander.concentric.com id UAA23535; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:22:50 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200610050022.UAA23535@alexander.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:22:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200610042307.k94N7fKd022681@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k950Mpn4084934 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] dressing 80's X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452450AB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 20:30:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950Ukds026553 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:30:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k950UhPw021095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:30:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950TfcQ091909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:29:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950TeBL089656; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:29:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3j.socket.net [216.106.88.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k950TZd8089604 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:29:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 64FF03D3C6 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:29:35 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] was: recent history now: 80's looks Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:29:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004e01c6e809$6d3f9130$f1a19245@Lisa> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45245233.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 20:30:46 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0a0b3de4-26d4-4060-a26b-25830a641f40 Status: RO Ummm... that is also a late '60s, early '70s look. De -----Original Message----- from day-glo paisley mini dresses, pleather mini dresses & white go-go boots to Madonna & Flashdance & Cyndi Lauper looks. Entirely too frightening to think I used to wear those types of things! Lisa W. in MT _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 21:14:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951EOH2027621 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:14:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k951ELgd029016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:14:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951D1Nd096423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951CxQv020805; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:13:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951CtXJ020745 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m252.in-tch.com [216.166.191.252]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k95118Q08783 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <008401c6e81c$8b44ad60$fcbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] was: recent history now: 80's looks Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:21:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45245C6D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:14:24 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3a1ecfcc-620a-4574-9552-79f0ff57394d Status: RO Paisley mini dresses, sure, but not Madonna or Flashdance or Cyndi! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] was: recent history now: 80's looks > Ummm... that is also a late '60s, early '70s look. > De > > -----Original Message----- > from > day-glo paisley mini dresses, pleather mini dresses & white go-go boots to > Madonna & Flashdance & Cyndi Lauper looks. Entirely too frightening to think > I used to wear those types of things! > Lisa W. in MT > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 21:29:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951TT9b028070 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:29:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k951TQPk008189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:29:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951SLBq097838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951SHWP031777; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951SDhw031723 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PWKpKYdNxu025P/iZ0s5JjaEr76VDjGUyhJno7+BHOiNjx4RhhBEocZJBAHDEr/X; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.53.19.112] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVI20-0001vo-HS for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:28:13 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22006104512810921@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:28:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7929797b26ab46d7efa5d6ec696c030ad8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.53.19.112 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45245FF6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:29:30 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 832bfe96-aceb-41da-9d37-a35f28149c40 Status: RO Okay so I can't type!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 10/4/2006 4:20:42 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history > > > In a message dated 10/4/2006 6:59:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: > > You might know some one with Fart Times At Ridgemont high > > > Considering the audience these types of movies are aimed at, that might be > an apt title. . . . > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 21:33:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951Xgsl028267 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:33:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k951XdVo009475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:33:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951WgNd098246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951WfTo034826; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951WbkH034727 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) id <01M7ZZ2TB7PS9LUYQC@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:46:34 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31178) with ESMTP id <01M7ZZ2SJRVW9AT8I3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:46:33 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 11:46:28 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history In-reply-to: <410-220061034224355187@earthlink.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <452439C4.4030904@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <410-220061034224355187@earthlink.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452460F3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 21:42:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k951g0Cf028456 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:42:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k951fvoL019433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:42:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MtYtP081446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MtW7A011331; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94MtRwZ011261 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ud6donJ0WnFDKTeWFS8WQcfBaf9kNsyHuStD/JNC6pvXtmWHSYBIzQpd5wDC3rpd; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.45.122] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVFeA-00032d-UH for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 18:55:27 -0400 Message-ID: <05e601c6e808$4fa28070$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410-220061034223414484@earthlink.net> <00e401c6e805$f8860110$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 15:56:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd481c96827ccc602d645d7ed082de9380c460db60e8d83655cd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.45.122 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452462E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:42:00 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: bf4012f0-bbc4-428f-bb23-31e653f3ac36 Status: RO >> There are lots of 80's movies that could be rented depending on her age. >> > > ah, of course! but it wouldn't be a true school project if you let mom > know more than 12 hours ahead of time what you require. The library is > closed and there isn't a movie rental place within a half-hour's drive. > I'll try IMDB though and see if I can find some movie shots. thanks > > Denise B Use Google image search for Cyndi Lauper. She pretty much iconised the 80's look. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 22:45:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k952j7Kt030332 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:45:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k952j1jm012453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:45:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k952hNeT006880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:43:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k952hIBm089567; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:43:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51307.mail.yahoo.com (web51307.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k952hCQv089430 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91460 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2006 02:43:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F4BsZNlhvSRBtfPWIxJhjltvS+QpVx1gev9X5r4r2vY/UwTbp83/ZLE4c7L47N9qcs8nbmgKPQ/Q6zKfb2qEU4k82QWfd/GJF+mtYipM4jumfFgaiu5tYg1kTPSbPhK0DJXu0gnVJNBlclhzUrsSSWFfMuD+9NZmx7H3FM/bvl4= ; Message-ID: <20061005024307.91458.qmail@web51307.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.183.31.113] by web51307.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:43:07 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] What is a military base To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452471AD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:45:07 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 6e539319-7fa9-4425-b846-1ba3a2a8c53a Status: RO Perhaps Raphael's "The Mass at Bolsena". No armor, but swords and kneeling and bases (or a related garment). That's the first one that comes to my mind. Ann in CT --- Saragrace Knauf wrote: > To the question of what a Military base is - pretty simply, it is "typically" a padded/quilted skirt worn as light armor. > > I say typically, because of course, there are > variations on it. Some were just decorative, some > were protective. Some were attached to padded > "bodices," others were just "coverups." > > Another, which I cannot seem to conjure up at the > moment is of a man on one knee wearing a skirt and a > metal curiass. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 4 23:57:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k953vMHW032569 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:57:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k953vJFb006219 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:57:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k953u2L1015866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k953tqNA039190; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k953tmhg039052 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.37e.6d9048d2 (32913) for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:55:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <37e.6d9048d2.3255dc35@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:55:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4524829F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Oct 2006 23:57:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: dfed8d77-c5b4-4cbe-a522-3e3b08e8c968 Status: RO In a message dated 10/4/2006 6:56:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, moreplentyn@earthlink.net writes: Use Google image search for Cyndi Lauper. She pretty much iconised the 80's look. ******************* Well....one of them anyway. I don't know that I'd choose her as THE icon of 80's style. Remember drop waist dresses with shoulder pads? All black clothes? Big curly hair? Crazy socks? Clunky middle eastern inspired jewelry and belts? The second hand store mix up...Cyndi's look [there's a punk and sorta waif version of this] Power suits for women? [more shoulder pads] Oversized clunky sweaters with lots of things appliqued or embroidered all over them? [with shoulder pads!] with leggings? Go watch "Desperately Seeking Susan". _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 01:50:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k955ohQ5004463 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:50:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k955oeX4021895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:50:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k955nDFi029756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k955n13V017009; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k955mvZj016915 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jessicastier@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.30]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:48:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:48:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:48:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [70.95.215.62] X-Originating-Email: [jessicastier@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jessicastier@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200610042307.k94N7fKd022681@net.indra.com> From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:48:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2006 05:48:51.0676 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF9649C0:01C6E841] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: recent history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45249D30.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Have fun with the 80's! :) jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 02:16:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k956GKNR010482 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 02:16:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k956GG5T017167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 02:16:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k956FaDR033579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:15:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k956FWus034629; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k956FUSg034564 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 00:15:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jessicastier@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.169.17]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:15:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:15:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.169.200 by by114fd.bay114.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 06:15:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [70.95.215.62] X-Originating-Email: [jessicastier@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jessicastier@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200610042307.k94N7fKd022681@net.indra.com> From: "jessica stier" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 06:15:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2006 06:15:24.0472 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4F7AB80:01C6E845] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: recent history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4524A330.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 02:16:20 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: a5644ffa-0d44-47d7-b8ea-abcc9a0a2778 Status: RO Another suggestion is to do a Google image search. Just type in 80s fashions and click images. I tried that and got pages and pages of photos. Have fun! Like, for sure. :)jessica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 06:30:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95AU1q3004040 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:30:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95ATu4a008668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:30:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95ASceZ059820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 04:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95ASRLS087044; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 04:28:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95ASGHd086891 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 04:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carynsobel@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EA0R/euStMhhjqz+Xdxvx69p2Nn1pcXtRwanvHOA9+PgOsmiFkXsSP++oGKo8rtV; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.156.231.102] (helo=SobelWriting) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVQSd-0002yp-8m for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 06:28:15 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c6e868$f8e8ffa0$66e79c04@SobelWriting> From: "Caryn Sobel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc><000e01c6e7b1$40862a80$c6bfa6d8@pavilion><001f01c6e801$fe813610$07999c04@SobelWriting><0FB30783-F966-4793-8F73-9311875CBC50@comcast.net> <00e901c6e808$30acef20$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:28:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: 251666aee31a72c3c5fbd2bc086b8747239a348a220c2609251cb91cbf1a069b0d3a4107f244783ea2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.156.231.102 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4524DEA4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 06:30:02 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9a56a376-0926-4bdf-a2c2-ff5f9da8c03b Status: RO Thanks, Lauren, Bjarne, and Denise B, for the explanation about the flax. What a shame, but understandable from a small farmer's viewpoint (I won't think about agribusiness causing this). All the more reason to enjoy old examples of this beautiful work. Caryn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 07:14:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BEVXu012082 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:14:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95BESLd012015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BDNWi068794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 05:13:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BDLiA013889; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 05:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:25/witFDX0xYQw77KueC6WkYHeiUXKbN@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94N7ZOu022588 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.55] (206-124-5-55.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.55]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k94N0bl32655 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:00:37 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00a001c6e804$36a16d60$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <53e.897821e.32558b79@aol.com> <00a001c6e804$36a16d60$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <747c68439e0d3c49c81b5531ff0c5e10@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:06:37 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4524E914.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:14:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 38799dc9-3361-4ec3-be86-44ff539c6305 Status: RO How about Madonna? On Oct 4, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Land of Oz wrote: > My google skills are not bringing me what I need, so I come to the > costume center of the universe for help! > > My daughter wants to dress "1980s" for a school theme. I've described > the look (I lived through it!) but she really wants to see photos. > What I remember (small town in the midwest) was a modified version of > the valleygirl slash preppy. Punk didn't make it to my part of the > world until it was called Goth. :-) > > Share links if you've got 'em, please! > Thanks > Denise B > Iowa > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 07:15:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BFAPF012101 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:15:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95BF7GA031268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:15:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BE8Ow069021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 05:14:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BE7MX014459; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 05:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k94NILAi032099 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 17:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1GVG0J2ya3-0000nM; Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:18:20 -0400 Message-ID: <009b01c6e80b$5d61e9a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410-220061034223414484@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history (1980s) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:18:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4524E93B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:15:10 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 71cb6ed9-9a0a-4fe4-91f2-d0c310429c10 Status: RO The Breakfast Club, Pretty in Pink, and Sixteen Candles are three movies that show fun teenage fashions in the 1980s. She can also watch the TV shows from the 1980s on cable TV, like the Cosby show. If you have digital cable, she can watch the old music videos with the teen idols. My DIL watches them all the time. LOL! Legwarmers are back for this winter! Have you seen the Audrey Hepburn skinny black commercials. I am wondering if the pants they are advertising? I'm wondering if they are like the pants of the 80s. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 07:23:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BN99k012251 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:23:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95BN6Kk016899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:23:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BM3uO071470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 05:22:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BM1v6020362; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 05:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9550gJZ082509 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:00:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04695 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:42:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:42:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history In-Reply-To: <37e.6d9048d2.3255dc35@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4524EB1A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:23:09 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 526aba6e-d50f-435c-a555-e76bb1cf1a52 Status: RO On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Power suits for women? [more shoulder pads] And bow blouses! Don't forget bow blouses! (I probably have a few still in my closet, c. 1985.) And "preppy" look, early 1980s still. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 09:40:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95Dethq016815 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:40:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95Deo4j002906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 09:40:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95DcsxV099816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95Dcktf019079; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95DceMU018984 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 07:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with SMTP id 1085757465 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:36:21 -0500 Message-ID: <00e101c6e883$4218f710$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:36:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45250B62.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 09:40:56 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 661595b4-ed99-436d-bdc1-ae8bcbe69d53 Status: RO Thank you all for the links and movie reminders. The only movies I had that came close were St. Elmo's Fire and My Chauffer, so we FF through and got some ideas. Having less than a day's notice we had to work with what was already in the house, so it was a hodge-podge, but she did get some elements of "the look." It was sort of a combo of the preppy-powersuit look and the wild-child Lauper. Big hair with curls pulled over to a side ponytail, high-contrast eye make-up and dark glossy lips. Big-shouldered, long suit jacket with the sleeves rolled up; tux-collared white shirt with the collar points turned up and a big sparkle brooch over the top button (couldn't find a skinny tie). And a stickpin in the lapel. It would have been better with some of those fingerless lace gloves, but didn't have any. We wanted to do colored pumps with ankle socks, but couldn't come up with that either. She has a cross country meet tonight, she might have to dunk her head in a bucket to get rid of the Big Hair! Too much wind resistance :-) Thanks for all your help! Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 10:25:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95EPGrg018674 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:25:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95EPDGq005080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 10:25:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BERAB069198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 05:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95BERuE014777; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 05:14:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9519Dbo018093 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:09:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m252.in-tch.com [216.166.191.252]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k950vPQ07668 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2006 18:57:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005b01c6e81c$067cac40$fcbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc><000e01c6e7b1$40862a80$c6bfa6d8@pavilion> <001f01c6e801$fe813610$07999c04@SobelWriting> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:17:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452515C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 10:25:16 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2a4e7bcc-37dc-41e8-84a3-841734fcf3aa Status: RO What I'd heard/read, was that the strains of flax that produced those ultra-fine threads went extinct about the time of WWI. Maybe it's demand, I don't know. Technology may also be a factor, although I'd think that if it were just a matter of hand-spun vs machine-spun, someone would have tried it by hand by now. I'm learning to spin linen, but I'm lightyears away from being that skilled! --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caryn Sobel" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery > the linen threads used then, that can't be duplicated now. In linen.> > > Please pardon my ignorance, but why can't we have the same fineness now? Is > it a difference in the spinning techniques, or the variety of the plant > itself? Or a lack of demand for finer thread? > > Thanks! > > Caryn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 15:06:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95J6o6f028970 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:06:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95J6ki0016091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:06:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95J4peE069253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:04:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95J2KTp049970; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95J26UO049640 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.174] (pm5-174.eos.net [205.133.149.174]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k95J21qe026388 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:02:01 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 14:46:06 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200610051127.k95BRdCi024724@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dancing with the Stars (US version) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452557C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:06:50 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 5c3cecc9-7471-4d9f-b499-ef43cb8fa1a8 Status: RO Boy, is that a show of extreme clothes! Some of the outfits are lovely, and some of them are HIDEOUS. And some non-existent... we call the woman who dances with Joey "Naked Girl" at our house, because her clothes are little wisps of things, and (to my mind) not attractive in any way. The results show Tuesday had a funny short bit about the "culture" of competitive ballroom dancing, including the clothes, the hair, and the (fake) tans. I really enjoyed that. But really, I wish the women would wear more! And not just because my kids like the show. I think people just look better wearing clothes. And I can't imagine dancing in a glorified bikini. They must be glued on. Of course, I can't stand the women's sand volleyball "uniforms" either. Sara whatever-her-name-is, the one who is such a bad dancer, was supposed to be a sort of undead passo doble dancer, I think. My husband and I laughed all through that dance, and when it was over he reminded me that Olympic ice dancing had to ban dying at the end of the routines, because so many couples had done tragic death dances. I don't know if this one would count, though, because I think she was supposed to be dead already. But the Goth-inspired flamenco dress? Ugh!! I liked the guy's suit, though. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 15:16:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95JGrm4029220 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:16:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95JGmrJ003375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:16:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95JFmUm071561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95JCCof060070; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95JB3R7058950 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061005191055.VEAL449.fep35.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:10:55 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.70]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061005191054.HRSW15236.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:10:54 +0200 Message-ID: <002601c6e8b2$02d209a0$4643a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:11:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.70] at Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:10:47 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] glove question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45255A20.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:16:54 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b9c25945-2ce4-4595-9aa2-80fa9dbd2ad6 Status: RO Hi, I have baught myself a pair of white gloves, the type that high rank officers uses here in Denmark for formal occations. I wanted to use them for my reenacting, but i wondered. They have velcro tape at the inner wrist, wich i will remove off cause, should i make a dorset button and buttonhole instead? What about the white ness of them, they are bright white, should i dip them in tea? Any suggestions very much apreciated.......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 15:21:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95JLQU8029341 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:21:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95JLMjh012031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:21:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95JKBIq072450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95JK7SM068452; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95JK03s068221 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 13:20:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061005191953.PVDX11565.fep32.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:19:53 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.70]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061005191953.HRXQ15236.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:19:53 +0200 Message-ID: <002b01c6e8b3$47927b50$4643a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dancing with the Stars (US version) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:20:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.70] at Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:19:51 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45255B32.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:21:26 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: ad6e4129-3de1-470d-845c-bf8a947bbbc4 Status: RO Hi Its funny to see that you have that kinds of shows as well. Here in Denmark they started those shows last year, and it was a hit, everybody was talking about them. This year, its not that heep anymore, but they continue the shows in the tele. I like to watch, as i love all kinds of dansing, and the dresses off cause........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 8:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dancing with the Stars (US version) > > Boy, is that a show of extreme clothes! Some of the outfits are lovely, > and > some of them are HIDEOUS. And some non-existent... we call the woman who > dances with Joey "Naked Girl" at our house, because her clothes are little > wisps of things, and (to my mind) not attractive in any way. > > The results show Tuesday had a funny short bit about the "culture" of > competitive ballroom dancing, including the clothes, the hair, and the > (fake) tans. I really enjoyed that. > > But really, I wish the women would wear more! And not just because my kids > like the show. I think people just look better wearing clothes. And I > can't > imagine dancing in a glorified bikini. They must be glued on. Of course, I > can't stand the women's sand volleyball "uniforms" either. > > Sara whatever-her-name-is, the one who is such a bad dancer, was supposed > to > be a sort of undead passo doble dancer, I think. My husband and I laughed > all through that dance, and when it was over he reminded me that Olympic > ice > dancing had to ban dying at the end of the routines, because so many > couples > had done tragic death dances. I don't know if this one would count, > though, > because I think she was supposed to be dead already. But the Goth-inspired > flamenco dress? Ugh!! I liked the guy's suit, though. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 16:03:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95K368p030374 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:03:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95K2xmr004692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:03:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95K1vLt081087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 14:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95K0mev010361; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 14:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95K0bdA010045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 14:00:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k95K0S2l021267 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:00:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:00:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <62653.65.117.156.5.1160078428.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <002601c6e8b2$02d209a0$4643a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <002601c6e8b2$02d209a0$4643a150@CPQ21932199711> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:00:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove question From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452564F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:03:06 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d245154e-0829-44e4-9e93-40916c161809 Status: RO What is your time period of reenactment? That will drive what kind of button/button hole and color. Chiara On Thu, October 5, 2006 2:11 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: > Hi, > I have baught myself a pair of white gloves, the type that high rank > officers uses here in Denmark for formal occations. > I wanted to use them for my reenacting, but i wondered. > They have velcro tape at the inner wrist, wich i will remove off > cause, > should i make a dorset button and buttonhole instead? > What about the white ness of them, they are bright white, should i > dip them > in tea? > > Any suggestions very much apreciated.......... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 17:30:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95LUX4E000480 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:30:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95LUTtj025872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:30:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95LSKs4096971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95LSHxv095937; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95LSCUO095793 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from stuckis (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061005212806m1300m6usce>; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:28:06 +0000 Message-ID: <01b201c6e8c5$2b7b4ca0$9810cf47@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dancing with the Stars (US version) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:28:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45257975.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:30:33 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: eb036846-7a52-4072-bcf7-979cdd0cff85 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dancing with the Stars (US version) > Sara whatever-her-name-is, the one who is such a bad dancer, was supposed > to > be a sort of undead passo doble dancer, I think. My husband and I laughed > all through that dance, and when it was over he reminded me that Olympic > ice > dancing had to ban dying at the end of the routines, because so many > couples > had done tragic death dances. I don't know if this one would count, > though, > because I think she was supposed to be dead already. But the Goth-inspired > flamenco dress? Ugh!! I liked the guy's suit, though. I loved the colors of Viveca's paso doble dress. I was sorry to see her leave, especially before Sara Evans, who, as bad as she is, is still a better dancer than I am! I told my DH he should be grateful he works nights, or I'd be hauling his butt to the local Arthur Murray school. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 17:44:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95LiXHo000747 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:44:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95LiTcV005998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:44:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95Li1Bn099584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:44:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95Lhu5j009910; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95Lhpf5009829 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 15:43:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from carynsobel@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=r3pJdb4Yix5vtM6cNAew4uV7XghdfWNRjtSintZJfMzZdxvLPUfp9mVhvdCj0o++; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.156.231.102] (helo=SobelWriting) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVb0Q-0005eq-QF for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:43:51 -0400 Message-ID: <008a01c6e8c7$5af1a680$8ce49c04@SobelWriting> From: "Caryn Sobel" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005901c6e759$c5a29530$0200a8c0@bob3pc><000e01c6e7b1$40862a80$c6bfa6d8@pavilion><001f01c6e801$fe813610$07999c04@SobelWriting> <005b01c6e81c$067cac40$fcbfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:43:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: 251666aee31a72c3c5fbd2bc086b8747239a348a220c2609033572fd10123841a13ee5031fc4b841a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.156.231.102 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45257CBD.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:44:33 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 1636a9fd-f508-45bc-8c96-24fd964aae08 Status: RO Thanks, Sue. It sounds like it may be a combination of all the factors mentioned; changes in plant populations, methods, *and* technology. I just gave in lately to needing a magnifier for embroidery, so after the ego thing passed, I am ready to try finer threads than I have used in years :) Caryn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 18:43:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95MgxGO002343 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:42:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95Mgu9o003618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:42:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95Mg8D7010781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95Mg1Wv063013; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95MfuCJ062828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:26840 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GVbud-0006JH-LT for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:41:58 -0500 Message-ID: <022301c6e8cf$74a34810$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:41:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45258A70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:42:59 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 5aabc3f7-b3ec-40ea-b620-103209d05bd1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k95MgxGO002343 Status: RO I'm working on a replica of the headress worn by Princess Charlotte in this Clouet painting (1522): http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-de-fra.jpg After much experimentation, I've come up with a pattern I'm reasonably happy with, but I just cannot make up my mind on a few points. If you'll look at this closeup: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-detail.jpg you should be able to see each of them. Issue 1: Those slashes The closeup shows each slash with a sort of outline around it, as though each slash were bound with strips of the same fabric the hat's made of, sort of like a bound buttonhole. It seems to me faintly unlikely that they'd go to this much trouble, and I certainly don't want to, but that's the only way I can think of to get that same exact look. The only other options that come to mind are either a) just slash , and let it fray if it will--not too terrible an option, since the luscious heavy silk sateen I have for this is not at all prone to raveling drooldroolbragbrag--or, b) fold back a teeny hem for each slash, and stitch them into place. Ideas? Suggestions? Issue 2: What should the back look like? If you look at the bottom diagonal slash of the bag-like portion, on the other side of the circumference seam it looks a bit like there's a slash on the back that mirrors it. Does anyone else see it? I'm thinking I may just mirror those diagonal slashes around the edge of the back, and leave the center of the back plain, or perhaps decorate the center with pearls. (Yes, I have a ton of glass pearls for the project. This will be one heavy bit of headwear!) I'd love any clever suggestions, though, as I haven't found any great backview shots of this style of headress yet. Issue 3: that blackish semi-circle at the nape of the neck This looks almost like a painter's mistake, or as though the paint has started to flake off to reveal a previous version, or some wierd aborted restoration attempt, or I don't know what; whatever it is, my instinct is that it's not really a part of the headwear. If it were a part of the headwear, the only things I can think of would be a) a poor rendering of the bag's interior, seen in shadow (but I give Clouet way more credit than that!) or b) a netting of some sort. Any ideas as to what on earth it could be? Anyone know more about the history of this painting than I do (ie, more than nothing)? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 19:06:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95N6YJr002921 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:06:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95N6VP9013993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:06:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95N5SsD014929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:05:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95N5Nh2083215; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:05:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95N5Hfl083069 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:05:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2006 00:05:11 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAAMsJUWBTopAAgcECgcGHQ Received: from 88-107-120-240.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.120.240]:2743 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GVcH8-0007TF-U1 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 23:05:10 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061006000156.03220560@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 00:05:14 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed In-Reply-To: <022301c6e8cf$74a34810$b300a8c0@compaqub> References: <022301c6e8cf$74a34810$b300a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45258FF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:06:35 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 83e2daae-4bf0-4f24-83a7-7607deb3480f Status: RO At 23:41 05/10/2006, you wrote: >I'm working on a replica of the headress worn by Princess Charlotte >in this Clouet painting (1522): >http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-de-fra.jpg >After much experimentation, I've come up with a pattern I'm >reasonably happy with, but I just cannot make up my mind on a few >points. If you'll look at this closeup: >http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-detail.jpg >you should be able to see each of them. > >Issue 1: Those slashes >The closeup shows each slash with a sort of outline around it, as >though each slash were bound with strips of the same fabric the >hat's made of, sort of like a bound buttonhole. It seems to me >faintly unlikely that they'd go to this much trouble, and I >certainly don't want to, but that's the only way I can think of to >get that same exact look. The only other options that come to mind >are either a) just slash , and let it fray if it will--not too >terrible an option, since the luscious heavy silk sateen I have for >this is not at all prone to raveling drooldroolbragbrag--or, b) fold >back a teeny hem for each slash, and stitch them into place. Ideas? >Suggestions? > >Issue 2: What should the back look like? >If you look at the bottom diagonal slash of the bag-like portion, on >the other side of the circumference seam it looks a bit like there's >a slash on the back that mirrors it. Does anyone else see it? I'm >thinking I may just mirror those diagonal slashes around the edge of >the back, and leave the center of the back plain, or perhaps >decorate the center with pearls. (Yes, I have a ton of glass pearls >for the project. This will be one heavy bit of headwear!) I'd love >any clever suggestions, though, as I haven't found any great >backview shots of this style of headress yet. > >Issue 3: that blackish semi-circle at the nape of the neck >This looks almost like a painter's mistake, or as though the paint >has started to flake off to reveal a previous version, or some wierd >aborted restoration attempt, or I don't know what; whatever it is, >my instinct is that it's not really a part of the headwear. If it >were a part of the headwear, the only things I can think of would be >a) a poor rendering of the bag's interior, seen in shadow (but I >give Clouet way more credit than that!) or b) a netting of some >sort. Any ideas as to what on earth it could be? Anyone know more >about the history of this painting than I do (ie, more than nothing)? If you don't know it, this site might help http://www.culture.gouv.fr/documentation/joconde/fr/pres.htm Click on the text by the right hand top picture "Parcours thematiques" Then click on "Portraits dessines de 16th C." in the centre column about half way down. You will find hundreds, or so it seems drawings and paintings by the Clouets. You might find something similar to give you more clues. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 19:16:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95NGnKl003080 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:16:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95NGkn5022798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:16:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95NFjVT016735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:15:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95NFgLo093214; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net (eastrmmtao03.cox.net [68.230.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95NFb4c093021 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061005231532.OWEM23863.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:15:32 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.207]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id WnFL1V00P4UskY40000000 Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:15:20 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:15:27 -0400 Message-ID: <006901c6e8d4$24fba460$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <022301c6e8cf$74a34810$b300a8c0@compaqub> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4525925E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:16:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2bd2d5a2-f362-4c0a-a8e6-e6ff9fe21df5 Status: RO Hello~! This is so not my period of study, so I'm not much help on issues 1 & 2. But for issue 3, I can tell you what I see. I see a deliberate design, not a place where the paint is flaking off or a "mistake" or sloppy painting. Notice the perfectly straight line across the top of the black shape, and the symmetrical curve of the bottom line. Those suggest an opening to me. I almost fancy that I see subtle shading of gathers and puckers along the bottom edge. I also see tiny hatchmarks inside it, which looks a lot like a representation of netting. It would make sense for a woman with a lot of hair to put it up in a sturdy net, then cover it with the fashionable outer "bag" that we see here. This is what I see... others may see differently! +Linda+ -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of E House Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:42 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed I'm working on a replica of the headress worn by Princess Charlotte in this Clouet painting (1522): http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-de-fra.jpg After much experimentation, I've come up with a pattern I'm reasonably happy with, but I just cannot make up my mind on a few points. If you'll look at this closeup: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-detail.jpg you should be able to see each of them. Issue 3: that blackish semi-circle at the nape of the neck This looks almost like a painter's mistake, or as though the paint has started to flake off to reveal a previous version, or some wierd aborted restoration attempt, or I don't know what; whatever it is, my instinct is that it's not really a part of the headwear. If it were a part of the headwear, the only things I can think of would be a) a poor rendering of the bag's interior, seen in shadow (but I give Clouet way more credit than that!) or b) a netting of some sort. Any ideas as to what on earth it could be? Anyone know more about the history of this painting than I do (ie, more than nothing)? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 19:53:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95Nragg004243 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:53:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k95NrWI4010130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:53:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95NqW9B022853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95NqTEv028393; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:52:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k95NqPN1028320 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 17:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.75.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.75]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GVd0p-0002BO-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:52:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <006901c6e8d4$24fba460$6501a8c0@VMAA1> References: <006901c6e8d4$24fba460$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6663C80B-969A-4D14-9B09-DE2BD29175C3@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:51:56 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45259AFC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:53:36 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c7c60fd3-0077-4b2a-bd49-1f586e256ffe Status: RO Also speaking in complete ignorance, but (re 1 and 2) must the diagonal lines be slashes? Couldn't they be embroidery? The symmetry in the back makes the diagonal lines look like stylized leaves, with the vertical line a stylized stem, for the pearl flowers. I don't get the impression of actual openings, either on the "bag" or on the front part. My view of the dark spot accords with Linda's--almost as if the bag is a straight piece, caught up under the hair, rather than a shaped closed bag. I send this only as a "fresh eye," not as somebody who knows anything. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 5, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Linda Rice wrote: > Hello~! > > This is so not my period of study, so I'm not much help on issues 1 > & 2. > But for issue 3, I can tell you what I see. I see a deliberate > design, > not a place where the paint is flaking off or a "mistake" or sloppy > painting. Notice the perfectly straight line across the top of the > black > shape, and the symmetrical curve of the bottom line. Those suggest an > opening to me. I almost fancy that I see subtle shading of gathers and > puckers along the bottom edge. I also see tiny hatchmarks inside it, > which looks a lot like a representation of netting. It would make > sense > for a woman with a lot of hair to put it up in a sturdy net, then > cover > it with the fashionable outer "bag" that we see here. > > This is what I see... others may see differently! > > +Linda+ > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of E House > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 6:42 PM > Subject: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed > > I'm working on a replica of the headress worn by Princess Charlotte in > this Clouet painting (1522): > http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-de-fra.jpg > After much experimentation, I've come up with a pattern I'm reasonably > happy with, but I just cannot make up my mind on a few points. If > you'll look at this closeup: > http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-detail.jpg > you should be able to see each of them. > > Issue 3: that blackish semi-circle at the nape of the neck > This looks almost like a painter's mistake, or as though the paint has > started to flake off to reveal a previous version, or some wierd > aborted > restoration attempt, or I don't know what; whatever it is, my instinct > is that it's not really a part of the headwear. If it were a part of > the headwear, the only things I can think of would be a) a poor > rendering of the bag's interior, seen in shadow (but I give Clouet way > more credit than that!) or b) a netting of some sort. Any ideas as to > what on earth it could be? Anyone know more about the history of this > painting than I do (ie, more than nothing)? > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 20:42:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k960gXfq005443 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:42:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k960gUpQ006394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:42:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k960fT7T031239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k960fQSk067915; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k960fMic067753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 18:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:27003 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GVdmI-0003DD-2G for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:41:26 -0500 Message-ID: <024001c6e8e0$25d80430$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006901c6e8d4$24fba460$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:41:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4525A676.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:42:33 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 90d9f539-23c7-4d67-bc71-f5286f2b8a77 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Rice" ... > which looks a lot like a representation of netting. It would make sense > for a woman with a lot of hair to put it up in a sturdy net, then cover > it with the fashionable outer "bag" that we see here. There's definitely some evidence for this idea: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/ukmWomanProfile1518StHcat156.jpg , among others. I can't recall seeing any pink netted caps, but it certainly doesn't seem impossible to me! I am doing the gathers at the nape of the neck; after trying all sorts of shaped pieces, the best result I got was an oval with a straight strip sewn to the edge, and about 4 inches of gathering at the bottom. It even stays on without pins! I extended the strip into a curvy line over the temples and top of the head (sorry, hard to describe) and then added on (or will add on) a separate stiffened piece for the whatchamadoohickey, lappety type piece with the pearled edges. -E House (PS--thanks, Suzi; I've got that site bookmarked, but I've got pretty much ALL the other sites bookmarked too, so I can never find one when I need it!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 21:25:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k961PjlH006401 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:25:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k961PfkG028630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:25:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k961OhQM038104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k961Off0096811; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k961ObX7096715 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:24:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.4fe.78bfc79 (48552) for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:24:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <4fe.78bfc79.32570a4d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:24:29 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery on CF of waistcoats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4525B095.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:25:45 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0950a026-b05f-40a3-88ca-8b4e537d25a1 Status: RO Remember when we were looking at the costumes from "Jefferson in Paris" and Bjarne asked about the embroidery down the front? It met CF and the buttons were slightly off CF instead of the embroidery pattern overlapping where the side with the buttons goes under the buttonholes....as is the case with most 18th century waistcoats. Well on page 65 of the book 18th Century Embroidery Techniques by Gail Marsh, there is a waistcoat at Gawthorpe Hall in Lancashire, UK from 1750-1770 where the metal embroidery..."rapport embroidery"...a style where the embroidery is worked up 1st and then applied to the cream satin waistcoat... this embroidery meets edge to edge and the button are off center. The book says "It fastens with 12 buttons and corresponding buttonholes." but I'll be damned if I can even se a piece of a buttonhole! They could be under the buttons. But it looks like there are no buttonholes at all. Furthermore, the way the waistcoat is displayed [laying on an orange table surface] the symmetrical embroidery is slightly askew. Is it buttoned up or just laid edge to edge. I went to the Gawthorpe Hall web site but couldn't find a picture of it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 21:36:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k961a3Rh006664 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:36:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k961a0j8022568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:36:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k961ZQ2e039269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k961ZOrI003594; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k961ZL2k003554 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1GVecR44VD-0000pj; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:35:21 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01c6e8e7$aa863790$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4fe.78bfc79.32570a4d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery on CF of waistcoats Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:35:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4525B300.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:36:03 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3a069898-1aeb-425a-b944-0e9e6e80dbe6 Status: RO Albert Cat, I recently photographed an 1890s embroidered ladies jacket with embroidery scalloped down the centerfront on both sides. When you lay the costume down the embroidery sides seem to match up. When you put the jacket on a dressform and button it up, the scallops do not line up correctly. The buttons were not sewn in the correct positions. The buttonholes are visible and are spaced at regular intervals. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 5 22:04:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9624043007727 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:04:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9623vvD014745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 22:04:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9622u6C042541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9622pXp021693; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:02:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9622lxA021558 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 20:02:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J6O00J95Z0KMUE0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:02:32 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] recent history In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4525B98D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:04:00 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 8d9cd32c-f2da-472b-b200-706a713d5397 Status: RO Don't throw anything out... it is all coming back! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > Power suits for women? [more shoulder pads] And bow blouses! Don't forget bow blouses! (I probably have a few still in my closet, c. 1985.) And "preppy" look, early 1980s still. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 02:20:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k966Kb5A019887 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:20:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k966KXPg027377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:20:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k966Jii4070590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k966JaCx085157; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:19:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k966JVsA085119 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:19:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A3FE4F00360; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:13:18 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:19:53 -0700 Message-ID: <001901c6e90f$6ffcaf50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-reply-to: <022301c6e8cf$74a34810$b300a8c0@compaqub> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k966JVsA085119 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4525F5B1.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:20:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: ae9f038a-8074-4f04-93dd-a56cde5c1b7f Status: RO I just made a French hood and to my eyes, the dark spot (#3) is where the back veil, (in this case a shaped bag), in attaching to the hood, hangs free. I have seen people sew the veil all around and have also seen the back left loose, as appears to be the case here. I see what appear to be gathers at the back nape of the bag, which makes sense if it is the type not sewn all the way around. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 3:42 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed I'm working on a replica of the headress worn by Princess Charlotte in this Clouet painting (1522): http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-de-fra.jpg After much experimentation, I've come up with a pattern I'm reasonably happy with, but I just cannot make up my mind on a few points. If you'll look at this closeup: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-detail.jpg you should be able to see each of them. Issue 1: Those slashes The closeup shows each slash with a sort of outline around it, as though each slash were bound with strips of the same fabric the hat's made of, sort of like a bound buttonhole. It seems to me faintly unlikely that they'd go to this much trouble, and I certainly don't want to, but that's the only way I can think of to get that same exact look. The only other options that come to mind are either a) just slash , and let it fray if it will--not too terrible an option, since the luscious heavy silk sateen I have for this is not at all prone to raveling drooldroolbragbrag--or, b) fold back a teeny hem for each slash, and stitch them into place. Ideas? Suggestions? Issue 2: What should the back look like? If you look at the bottom diagonal slash of the bag-like portion, on the other side of the circumference seam it looks a bit like there's a slash on the back that mirrors it. Does anyone else see it? I'm thinking I may just mirror those diagonal slashes around the edge of the back, and leave the center of the back plain, or perhaps decorate the center with pearls. (Yes, I have a ton of glass pearls for the project. This will be one heavy bit of headwear!) I'd love any clever suggestions, though, as I haven't found any great backview shots of this style of headress yet. Issue 3: that blackish semi-circle at the nape of the neck This looks almost like a painter's mistake, or as though the paint has started to flake off to reveal a previous version, or some wierd aborted restoration attempt, or I don't know what; whatever it is, my instinct is that it's not really a part of the headwear. If it were a part of the headwear, the only things I can think of would be a) a poor rendering of the bag's interior, seen in shadow (but I give Clouet way more credit than that!) or b) a netting of some sort. Any ideas as to what on earth it could be? Anyone know more about the history of this painting than I do (ie, more than nothing)? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 02:27:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k966R9wI022002 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:27:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k966R6TO031830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:27:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k966Qj8X071264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:26:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k966QifK089123; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:26:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k966QdUW089045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:27707 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GVjAH-0002pF-M4 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 01:26:34 -0500 Message-ID: <025801c6e910$6276cfe0$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001901c6e90f$6ffcaf50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 01:26:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4525F73A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:27:09 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e57966e8-aee5-403b-bfb7-15f466c373e8 Status: RO (By the way, my posts are coming out of order; there's still at least one floating out there somewhere. No doubt we'll see it come in out of the blue in about 3 months.) On my issue #3, I wasn't too clear--I don't doubt that it's a hole/opening; the part that puzzles me is the odd pink splotchy part _inside_ the hole! Somehow, it just doesn't look like that's how Clouet intended it to look, you know? I don't know the dimensions of the painting, though, so maybe it wasn't meant to be examined this closely. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 04:08:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9688Tau011655 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 04:08:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9688Pfj009276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 04:08:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9687bmR079485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9687YuM044015; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9687Uod043966 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:07:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.11754282; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:07:08 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k96877004912.; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:07:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:07:07 +0100 Message-Id: <45261CAC02000014000C21FA@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:06:52 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200610060042.k960fVtU067984@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200610060042.k960fVtU067984@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9687Uod043966 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1520s French headwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45260EF9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 04:27:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k968RJer016716 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 04:27:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k968RGEi001239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 04:27:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k968QrDT080956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:26:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k968Qqpi053933; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:26:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k968QlN3053825 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:26:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061006082642.UXFG449.fep35.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:26:42 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.105]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061006082641.HXXZ15236.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:26:41 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c6e921$30f36d50$6914a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002601c6e8b2$02d209a0$4643a150@CPQ21932199711> <62653.65.117.156.5.1160078428.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove question Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:26:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.105] at Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:26:38 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45261364.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 04:27:19 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d70b0142-b7be-4237-a940-4bad9ebd5232 Status: RO Hi, Its 1770 - 1780. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove question > What is your time period of reenactment? > > That will drive what kind of button/button hole and color. > > Chiara > > > On Thu, October 5, 2006 2:11 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: >> Hi, >> I have baught myself a pair of white gloves, the type that high rank >> officers uses here in Denmark for formal occations. >> I wanted to use them for my reenacting, but i wondered. >> They have velcro tape at the inner wrist, wich i will remove off >> cause, >> should i make a dorset button and buttonhole instead? >> What about the white ness of them, they are bright white, should i >> dip them >> in tea? >> >> Any suggestions very much apreciated.......... >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 05:10:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k969Ab12025107 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 05:10:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k969AYMI005021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 05:10:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k969A9BG085975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 03:10:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k969A5dw078527; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 03:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k969A0IV078438 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 03:10:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061006090950.XHTY449.fep35.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:09:50 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.105]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061006090950.HYCE9806.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:09:50 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c6e927$394509e0$6914a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4fe.78bfc79.32570a4d@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery on CF of waistcoats Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:10:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.105] at Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:09:46 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45261D8A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 05:10:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 5c49078c-4fc2-4ba3-99e4-b7ac6650b854 Status: RO Hi, I looked in my book, and i could not find the buttonholes either. However i think they might have made the buttonholes vertical in this waistcoat, if you look at the pattern, it is made of a silver cord in the edge and a little further in, there is a silver lace running along the line. Perhaps they made the buttonholes between the cord and the lace. This is one of the examples i have ben spekulating a lot about. In such embroideries, it would really spoil to cut out splits for buttonholes. Cut over all the metal threads, it would unravel itself very soon. Perhaps they made small loops in the edge - bars to catch the buttons. But back to the method with the embroidery. Most of these waistcoats i have seen, the buttonholes are worked on the embroidery, so that it sits corresponding to the embroidery on the other side, and yes, some of the embroidery is hided, when the other side overlaps, but thats what they did. Tells a lot about the time, in my opinnion, about the extravagance taking place. I also have found out that they didnt wear jacket and waistcoat, wich did not have the same embroidery, wich is a big mistake of mine, i thoaght so, and therefore figured i could varie my outfits a lot, but no! Therefore i have made myself a rule, no more embroidered jackets, when the one i am making is finished, ill make plain jackets. Then you can use and choose different waistcoats, even they are embroidered. This is information i got recently from a book i found second hand, about Costumes and Fashion Clothes from the royal danish opera. The opera started in 1748 and for some plays, they still have the costumes, wich were second hand clothes given to the theater, mostly by the nobility. They could only wear their court suits a few times, then they had to replace them with new ones, and therefore they gave them to the theater. So i got myself some more mens cut to choose from, the book has about 5 suits, also a roquelaire.And pattern cuts. It also has the cut of a Henry VIII jacket, very nice. Bjarne --- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 3:24 AM Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery on CF of waistcoats > Remember when we were looking at the costumes from "Jefferson in Paris" > and > Bjarne asked about the embroidery down the front? It met CF and the > buttons > were slightly off CF instead of the embroidery pattern overlapping where > the > side with the buttons goes under the buttonholes....as is the case with > most > 18th century waistcoats. > > Well on page 65 of the book 18th Century Embroidery Techniques by Gail > Marsh, there is a waistcoat at Gawthorpe Hall in Lancashire, UK from > 1750-1770 > where the metal embroidery..."rapport embroidery"...a style where the > embroidery > is worked up 1st and then applied to the cream satin waistcoat... this > embroidery meets edge to edge and the button are off center. The book says > "It > fastens with 12 buttons and corresponding buttonholes." but I'll be damned > if I > can even se a piece of a buttonhole! They could be under the buttons. But > it > looks like there are no buttonholes at all. Furthermore, the way the > waistcoat is displayed [laying on an orange table surface] the symmetrical > embroidery > is slightly askew. Is it buttoned up or just laid edge to edge. > > I went to the Gawthorpe Hall web site but couldn't find a picture of it. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 07:49:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96BnSCA018535 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:49:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96BnOwV013359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:49:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Bm9Kl004855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 05:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Bm3tx079600; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 05:48:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k966UPwn091213 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 00:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A68A54E02FC; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 06:24:10 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:30:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c6e910$f4efc2a0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-reply-to: <022301c6e8cf$74a34810$b300a8c0@compaqub> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:49:28 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9c7a4b5a-f68c-4035-85a4-69de1ff9ea6b Status: RO The slashes -looks like the painter was trying to show shadow lines, which you'd see if the inner material wasn't tight to the outer material. I have a book, "Historical Fashion in Detail", which shows pinked edges just left to fray, also some small slashes. I have seen slashings in Renaissance Faire costumes which were just cut-no binding or stitching. I actually asked someone if they didn't fray and he said no, because they aren't washed, so the slashes hold pretty well. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 3:42 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed I'm working on a replica of the headress worn by Princess Charlotte in this Clouet painting (1522): http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-de-fra.jpg After much experimentation, I've come up with a pattern I'm reasonably happy with, but I just cannot make up my mind on a few points. If you'll look at this closeup: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-detail.jpg you should be able to see each of them. Issue 1: Those slashes The closeup shows each slash with a sort of outline around it, as though each slash were bound with strips of the same fabric the hat's made of, sort of like a bound buttonhole. It seems to me faintly unlikely that they'd go to this much trouble, and I certainly don't want to, but that's the only way I can think of to get that same exact look. The only other options that come to mind are either a) just slash , and let it fray if it will--not too terrible an option, since the luscious heavy silk sateen I have for this is not at all prone to raveling drooldroolbragbrag--or, b) fold back a teeny hem for each slash, and stitch them into place. Ideas? Suggestions? Issue 2: What should the back look like? If you look at the bottom diagonal slash of the bag-like portion, on the other side of the circumference seam it looks a bit like there's a slash on the back that mirrors it. Does anyone else see it? I'm thinking I may just mirror those diagonal slashes around the edge of the back, and leave the center of the back plain, or perhaps decorate the center with pearls. (Yes, I have a ton of glass pearls for the project. This will be one heavy bit of headwear!) I'd love any clever suggestions, though, as I haven't found any great backview shots of this style of headress yet. Issue 3: that blackish semi-circle at the nape of the neck This looks almost like a painter's mistake, or as though the paint has started to flake off to reveal a previous version, or some wierd aborted restoration attempt, or I don't know what; whatever it is, my instinct is that it's not really a part of the headwear. If it were a part of the headwear, the only things I can think of would be a) a poor rendering of the bag's interior, seen in shadow (but I give Clouet way more credit than that!) or b) a netting of some sort. Any ideas as to what on earth it could be? Anyone know more about the history of this painting than I do (ie, more than nothing)? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 10:20:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96EKFKT023141 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:20:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96EKAC2004571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:20:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96EIVp5028301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96EIOwF094712; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96EIJlL094554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:18:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k96EICg5088384 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:18:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:18:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <59208.65.117.156.5.1160144293.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c6e921$30f36d50$6914a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <002601c6e8b2$02d209a0$4643a150@CPQ21932199711> <62653.65.117.156.5.1160078428.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <000601c6e921$30f36d50$6914a150@CPQ21932199711> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:18:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove question From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4526661A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 10:20:16 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: cecb6454-90a8-4b92-854e-d505b737c586 Status: RO Formal settings required the use of white gloves, do not stain them. Let be white. In the Victoria and Albert museum there are several examples of white gloves from this period. It may take me a bit to find the ones with the button closure. If you can access their website you should be able to look for them too. Bath Museum has images as well. I will see what I can find but if you or anyone else finds them first please post urls. :) Chiara On Fri, October 6, 2006 3:26 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: > Hi, > Its 1770 - 1780. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove question > > >> What is your time period of reenactment? >> >> That will drive what kind of button/button hole and color. >> >> Chiara >> >> >> On Thu, October 5, 2006 2:11 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: >>> Hi, >>> I have baught myself a pair of white gloves, the type that high >>> rank >>> officers uses here in Denmark for formal occations. >>> I wanted to use them for my reenacting, but i wondered. >>> They have velcro tape at the inner wrist, wich i will remove off >>> cause, >>> should i make a dorset button and buttonhole instead? >>> What about the white ness of them, they are bright white, should >>> i >>> dip them >>> in tea? >>> >>> Any suggestions very much apreciated.......... >>> >>> Bjarne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Leif og Bjarne Drews >>> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >>> >>> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 11:47:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96FlSXm025723 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:47:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96FlKLH027531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:47:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Fk7VD040871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:46:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Fk0SN074061; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:46:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Fjqpi073938 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09095 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:27:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:27:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need e-copy of TI article on Norman dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45267A89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:47:28 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2c7a2694-4278-4ab2-bc22-64a0a26a67e1 Status: RO A woman in England has need of a copy of the article I wrote a few years back on the development of Norman sleeve styles. I can send her a paper copy, but I do not have an electronic one, and she is in haste to complete an outfit for the Hastings celebration next week. Does anyone have a copy of this and a scanner, who would be willing to send me a scanned or otherwise e-mailable version that I could forward to the lady in need? The article, first printed in _Costume Research Journal_ (small circulation and now defunct) was reprinted in the SCA's Tournaments Illuminated magazine in Winter 2002. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 12:14:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96GE43p026420 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:14:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96GE14t014185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:14:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96GCriw044582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:12:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96GCfQd098690; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96GCZwa098537 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:12:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFF9A768B for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:12:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45268083.6020700@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:12:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed References: <022301c6e8cf$74a34810$b300a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <022301c6e8cf$74a34810$b300a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452680C9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:14:05 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b63eebe3-d3be-4806-aad2-4209b9bfb932 Status: RO E House wrote: > > Issue 1: Those slashes > The closeup shows each slash with a sort of outline around it, as though each slash were bound with strips I do not see binding. I see a stroke of paint that represents a shadow. It looks to me like her headdress is made of red velvet, which would be thick enough to have a narrow shadow if it was slashed like that. > Issue 2: What should the back look like? > If you look at the bottom diagonal slash of the bag-like portion, on the other side of the circumference seam it looks a bit like there's a slash on the back that mirrors it. I see that too. I think any kind of symmetrical design will work, lacking direct evidence of what it really looked like. > Issue 3: that blackish semi-circle at the nape of the neck > This looks almost like a painter's mistake, or as though the paint has started to flake off It's a black hairnet under the hood. Follow the line up over her ear, across the top of her head. You can see the black hairnet under the pleated sheer gold band on the front of her hood. Note where the gold changes color above her ear as the hairnet tucks under and the gold band continues along the curve of her hood. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 12:54:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96GsAQK027655 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:54:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96Gs6sf022702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:54:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96GqrSr050993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Gqfj7036971; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:52:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96GqMsw036646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k96GqKxE012845 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:52:21 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:54:56 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001a01c6e910$f4efc2a0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45268A2E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:54:10 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d2a9c1fd-4092-42ee-8775-01ec8939292d Status: RO I was fortunate enough to have lived with the US forces in Germany several years while we were forming what is now the Kingdom (then Principality) of Drachenwald. One thing I treasure more than many others is a trip into the cellars of the German History Museum in Nuremberg with the Curator. We saw several slashed outfits and asked how "they", meaning the people who made the clothing for wearing, finished the slashes. His answer was "fish glue" on some of them. When the conservators opened up the linings and began to work with the garment you could still smell it very faintly. Other items were simply slashed across the bias and as Sharon says, they weren't washed so they didn't fray. Still other things such as shoes in velvet DID fray. They were ephemera anyway and not meant to last but be thrown/given away when they were no longer wearable. When we pounced on the steel shanked pearl buttons and lace cuff on several garments he sadly admitted that they had been rented in the early 1950's for costume balls!!! to raise money for the museum which was almost destroyed during the War. They had replaced the real buttons and put the cuffs on to do as much as possible to save the costumes. He had a picture of the loose gown with the undergown with silver lace like overlay (see Janet Arnold) on a lady who was holding her little lap dog in her arms and smiling for the camera. He had another of one of the men's outfits where the man was holding the glory of the collection, a huge gold and silver fully rigged ship style Nef as he poured wine or dispensed salt or spices to the diners at a "Medieval Dinner" held in the old town hall. At the time money was of more importance in saving the entire collection than individual items. The Nef originally had 110 little silver and gold men working on it. Now there are only 10. It's not so different now. An important collection of manuscripts held in the State Library of Baden in Karlsruhe, once a Duchy, will be auctioned off in order to raise enough money to keep up the Ducal castle of Salem (the name made me blink too) which is a school and a landmark. They hope the collection will bring about 70 million Euros. Sigh! At least the manuscripts will probably go to good homes who will love and treasure them. The castle, on the other hand could burn down, fall over, and sink into the swamp (or landscape since I don't remember swamps around there :-( Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sharon at Collierfam.com > The slashes -looks like the painter was trying to show shadow lines, which > you'd see if the inner material wasn't tight to the outer > material. I have a > book, "Historical Fashion in Detail", which shows pinked edges > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 13:48:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96HmOkv029304 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:48:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96HmHN6006387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:48:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96HjiEC061748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Hjb1v089405; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Gx7G4043282 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:59:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061006165902.HRDF19305.fep35.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:59:02 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.167]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061006165901.IGRD23229.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:59:01 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c6e968$bed616d0$a743a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002601c6e8b2$02d209a0$4643a150@CPQ21932199711><62653.65.117.156.5.1160078428.squirrel@webmail.io.com><000601c6e921$30f36d50$6914a150@CPQ21932199711> <59208.65.117.156.5.1160144293.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove question Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:59:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.67.167] at Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:58:58 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=38% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452696E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:48:24 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: cf807f98-4e45-471a-8798-b1278c133c83 Status: RO Dear Chiara, Many thanks for your informations. The Dorset button i wanted to use, is a button made from linnen thread. You make a loop of threads wrapped several times, and makes buttonhole stitches over the wrapped threads. And you make "bars" over the top, to connect the ring. I have made same buttons of my white linnen shirt. And it buttons on the inner wrist, so you would not notice it much. Would be difficult to find a small button mould in this size, so i will settle with the Dorset button. Many thanks for your informations, you are the expert of gloves. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove question > Formal settings required the use of white gloves, do not stain them. > Let be white. > > In the Victoria and Albert museum there are several examples of > white gloves from this period. It may take me a bit to find the ones > with the button closure. If you can access their website you should > be able to look for them too. > > Bath Museum has images as well. > > I will see what I can find but if you or anyone else finds them > first please post urls. :) > > Chiara > > > On Fri, October 6, 2006 3:26 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: >> Hi, >> Its 1770 - 1780. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 10:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] glove question >> >> >>> What is your time period of reenactment? >>> >>> That will drive what kind of button/button hole and color. >>> >>> Chiara >>> >>> >>> On Thu, October 5, 2006 2:11 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: >>>> Hi, >>>> I have baught myself a pair of white gloves, the type that high >>>> rank >>>> officers uses here in Denmark for formal occations. >>>> I wanted to use them for my reenacting, but i wondered. >>>> They have velcro tape at the inner wrist, wich i will remove off >>>> cause, >>>> should i make a dorset button and buttonhole instead? >>>> What about the white ness of them, they are bright white, should >>>> i >>>> dip them >>>> in tea? >>>> >>>> Any suggestions very much apreciated.......... >>>> >>>> Bjarne >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Leif og Bjarne Drews >>>> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >>>> >>>> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> h-costume mailing list >>>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 14:33:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96IX8JC030345 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:33:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96IX41W006803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:33:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96IWakE068345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:32:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96IWWSY034061; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96IWPlC033890 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061006183215.JPKU15187.fep31.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:32:15 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.167]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061006183214.IGVF9806.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:32:14 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c6e975$c7ea14d0$a743a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <022301c6e8cf$74a34810$b300a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:32:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.67.167] at Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:32:09 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4526A160.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:33:08 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: a9001798-e4f9-41e1-9a70-cb3c840e32d4 Status: RO Hi, Forgive an ignorant for digging in this disgussion. Could it be that the slashes have ben forced to open, and then they are stitched to the orange bottom fabric? This would explain the seam like appearance of each slash? The black portion in the back of the "purse" like back hood, seems to me be the hair wich is hided away. You can clearly see the gatherings of the hood, along the black portion. Maybe there is hairnet round the hair, but the black, would be the hair you see. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 12:41 AM Subject: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed I'm working on a replica of the headress worn by Princess Charlotte in this Clouet painting (1522): http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-de-fra.jpg After much experimentation, I've come up with a pattern I'm reasonably happy with, but I just cannot make up my mind on a few points. If you'll look at this closeup: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/1522clouet-charlotte-detail.jpg you should be able to see each of them. Issue 1: Those slashes The closeup shows each slash with a sort of outline around it, as though each slash were bound with strips of the same fabric the hat's made of, sort of like a bound buttonhole. It seems to me faintly unlikely that they'd go to this much trouble, and I certainly don't want to, but that's the only way I can think of to get that same exact look. The only other options that come to mind are either a) just slash , and let it fray if it will--not too terrible an option, since the luscious heavy silk sateen I have for this is not at all prone to raveling drooldroolbragbrag--or, b) fold back a teeny hem for each slash, and stitch them into place. Ideas? Suggestions? Issue 2: What should the back look like? If you look at the bottom diagonal slash of the bag-like portion, on the other side of the circumference seam it looks a bit like there's a slash on the back that mirrors it. Does anyone else see it? I'm thinking I may just mirror those diagonal slashes around the edge of the back, and leave the center of the back plain, or perhaps decorate the center with pearls. (Yes, I have a ton of glass pearls for the project. This will be one heavy bit of headwear!) I'd love any clever suggestions, though, as I haven't found any great backview shots of this style of headress yet. Issue 3: that blackish semi-circle at the nape of the neck This looks almost like a painter's mistake, or as though the paint has started to flake off to reveal a previous version, or some wierd aborted restoration attempt, or I don't know what; whatever it is, my instinct is that it's not really a part of the headwear. If it were a part of the headwear, the only things I can think of would be a) a poor rendering of the bag's interior, seen in shadow (but I give Clouet way more credit than that!) or b) a netting of some sort. Any ideas as to what on earth it could be? Anyone know more about the history of this painting than I do (ie, more than nothing)? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 16:14:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96KE34J000416 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:14:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96KDvjJ016543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:14:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96KCjs9082610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96KCVGk030426; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k96KCOF7030147 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62788 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Oct 2006 20:12:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZoJuDdkScGUHkBa3nif1PFWOYeThPdI6ioBUv6u0/LI9glEEYqJPfxhBJ5eM+1JOWVGxGURMwbKQZ8jssbxA/MMbmwBDNfQyes8YM9I7NISV9NPT8AQfoYg10vUj6nERdcywkzJLH55GAc0iZcFyZKjGK1HwtjBL0TsaboLy9ms= ; Message-ID: <20061006201213.62786.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.107.3.20] by web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:12:13 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061006000156.03220560@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A curious French doublet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4526B905.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:14:03 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7ee9a9e2-04f6-4b76-86d2-d972bfcce5b4 Status: RO The link to the Clouet drawings made me start looking for this picture again. It was years ago, now, that I asked about it and no one knew what I was talking about. But today I found it. This is a drawing of Admiral Coligny (1519 - 1572) from the 1560s or so, I think, with the most pecularly cut doub let you've ever seen. http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~lavoicy/poissy/coligny.JPG Thoughts? MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 16:19:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96KJlk0000549 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:19:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96KJglm020035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:19:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96KHHi0083186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:17:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96KHBL8034528; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:17:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96KH5dl034347 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:17:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.74]) by bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:17:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:16:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:16:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "TheRenaissanceTailor" , "GermanRenCostume" , "h-costume" Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:17:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:17:04 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2006 20:16:59.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[61012E20:01C6E984] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4526BA5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 16:19:47 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 545c7079-7680-47da-abe5-e78200ab5ed2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k96KJlk0000549 Status: RO Hi all, I finally got some pictures up on the website of the dress I am making for the Phoenix Art Museum. I spent a few days in the New York City Fabric district, and really didn't find much I liked. (I did buy some things, and have a few things in my stash I could use if I don't find anything I like better). If you have any source ideas - especially for the under bodice and the black outer gown, please suggest away. I don't hope to get anything exactly alike (obviously the under bodice was embroidered especially for this gown). My research tells me that they stuck "mostly" with dark rich colors. Thanks for your help in advance! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 17:39:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Ld3Rs002727 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:39:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96Ld0Vf018887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:39:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96LbHvg095280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Lb6mr008226; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Law5C008077 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.230.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.230] helo=faucet.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GVxNI-0001Wk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:36:56 -0400 Message-ID: <4526DA47.2080702@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:35:51 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] A curious French doublet References: <20061006201213.62786.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4526CCF4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:39:03 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 13f717b4-58d9-4a8a-a5f8-339529fe8af8 Status: RO Very curious and interesting! Thanks for sharing. The only other asymmetrical men's doublets that come to mind are from much earlier, like the Barthel Beham "scorekeeper" from 1529. What about this one: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElizabethKnollys.jpg I've always wondered where it closes. Is that diagonal frogging on an asymmetrical closure inside the loop of the necklaces? (And I love the necklace going over one shoulder and under the opposite arm...) Melanie Schuessler MaggiRos wrote: > The link to the Clouet drawings made me start looking > for this picture again. It was years ago, now, that I > asked about it and no one knew what I was talking > about. But today I found it. This is a drawing of > Admiral Coligny (1519 - 1572) from the 1560s or so, I > think, with the most pecularly cut doub let you've > ever seen. > > http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~lavoicy/poissy/coligny.JPG > > Thoughts? > > MaggiRos > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 17:46:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96LknhU003012 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:46:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96Lkk4Q025999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:46:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96LjT9J096369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96LjOEc015860; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96LjHNZ015720 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=s3PEf4f9AOLevgnhjPeywkRznB2gxR0GVoE54nSgGKZ4I6hFr/Vns/mcWEQfQZIT; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.45.122] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GVxVK-0003FQ-Id for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:45:15 -0400 Message-ID: <01d201c6e990$b93fb3c0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061006201213.62786.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4526DA47.2080702@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] A curious French doublet Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 14:45:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4838fe3fed4bd1a4b0d713c6c29359eceb8f1403e8a44865d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.45.122 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4526CEC6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:46:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: f0e606f8-318c-40c6-bd85-aa0f87054a7a Status: RO > Very curious and interesting! Thanks for sharing. The only other > asymmetrical men's doublets that come to mind are from much earlier, like > the Barthel Beham "scorekeeper" from 1529. > > What about this one: > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElizabethKnollys.jpg > > I've always wondered where it closes. Is that diagonal frogging on an > asymmetrical closure inside the loop of the necklaces? (And I love the > necklace going over one shoulder and under the opposite arm...) > > Melanie Schuessler I've just spent some time in Paris looking at old costume picture and documents. Without looking at my notes, I seem to remember at least 3 buff coats or arming doublets from right around the end of the 16th-early17th cen. having side closures. In one case, this was to enable the front to be made of three layers of leather. Makes sense, since these were used as armour. I seem to also remember some Turkish coats from the same time period closing on the side. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 17:53:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96LrLsj003226 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:53:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96LrIMK028582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:53:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96LqUwt097185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96LqTRA021980; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:52:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96LqPbv021937 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:52:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.230.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.230] helo=faucet.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GVxcG-0005C0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:52:24 -0400 Message-ID: <4526DDE9.4080702@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:51:21 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4526D04E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:53:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 1492d433-76c1-48d3-b0e3-0117b60aefe9 Status: RO Have you tried Designer Fabrics? I don't know if they have what you need, but they have an awful lot! http://www.designerfabrics.ca/shop/scripts/ Good luck, Melanie Schuessler Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Hi all, I finally got some > pictures > up on the website of the dress I am making for the Phoenix Art > Museum. I spent a few days in the New York City Fabric district, and > really didn't find much I liked. (I did buy some things, and have a > few things in my stash I could use if I don't find anything I like > better). > > If you have any source ideas - especially for the under bodice and > the black outer gown, please suggest away. I don't hope to get > anything exactly alike (obviously the under bodice was embroidered > especially for this gown). My research tells me that they stuck > "mostly" with dark rich colors. > > Thanks for your help in advance! > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing > list h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 18:23:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96MND97004290 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:23:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k96MNAgZ017613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:23:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96MKsCo000814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96MKn7j046201; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k96MKiOg046070 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 16:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 62417 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2006 22:20:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uOG8ETaUkGGI2PF+7tMprfQbFp44yLnGaZph9uSF9DHsh3dW6LqbStx7yLHycbUHPLRsZHPSDLl3UjOR9OJguy7KsAF0EKtLJMmRh3R84M1PdluEm4OIDgNwRTiKNfr1dRJmqnFAgwRa7XMT0xuRkNhdrQl+LS9AMICIBHhgPu0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?74.118.28.236?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@74.118.28.236 with plain) by smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2006 22:20:39 -0000 Message-ID: <4526D6BD.8080804@rogers.com> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:20:45 -0400 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need e-copy of TI article on Norman dress References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4526D74E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:23:13 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d0f75af1-18b7-4c07-9ec7-aed34ff9882e Status: RO Robin-- I can help if need be. If you're interested, I also have the original Word document and picture files, pre-layout, that you submitted to TI. Susan Robin Netherton wrote: > A woman in England has need of a copy of the article I wrote a few years > back on the development of Norman sleeve styles. I can send her a paper > copy, but I do not have an electronic one, and she is in haste to complete > an outfit for the Hastings celebration next week. > > Does anyone have a copy of this and a scanner, who would be willing to > send me a scanned or otherwise e-mailable version that I could forward to > the lady in need? > > The article, first printed in _Costume Research Journal_ (small > circulation and now defunct) was reprinted in the SCA's Tournaments > Illuminated magazine in Winter 2002. > > --Robin > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 21:07:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9717MZ1009243 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:07:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9717JG0012462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:07:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9715sja019577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9715lU3051916; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:05:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Nna1W006435 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:49:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10399 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:31:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:31:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need e-copy of TI article on Norman dress In-Reply-To: <4526D6BD.8080804@rogers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4526FDC7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:07:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 50f72940-5174-4a70-a2d8-ef6cf4cfcbac Status: RO The need has been fulfilled! Many thanks to Jean Waddie, speed-demon scanner, and Susan and Melanie, who also offered. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 6 23:29:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k973Td1e013020 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 23:29:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k973TaXi013160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 23:29:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k973SoG4034250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:28:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k973Sl4h029589; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from server022.dfw.nationwide.net (server022.dfw.nationwide.net [206.123.129.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k973Shpf029557 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 21:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 20458 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 03:28:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO spamfilter.nationwide.net) (127.0.0.1) by server022.dfw.nationwide.net with SMTP; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:28:41 +0000 Received: from 67.174.246.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by spamfilter.nationwide.net with HTTP; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:28:41 -0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <1063.67.174.246.110.1160191721.squirrel@spamfilter.nationwide.net> In-Reply-To: <20061006201213.62786.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20061006000156.03220560@suziclarke.co.uk> <20061006201213.62786.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:28:41 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] A curious French doublet From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45271F20.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Oct 2006 23:29:39 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 62a68a19-b1ee-4c39-b401-ad07699de22d Status: RO > The link to the Clouet drawings made me start looking > for this picture again. It was years ago, now, that I > asked about it and no one knew what I was talking > about. But today I found it. This is a drawing of > Admiral Coligny (1519 - 1572) from the 1560s or so, I > think, with the most pecularly cut doub let you've > ever seen. > > http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~lavoicy/poissy/coligny.JPG It somewhat resembles a German doublet (or waffenrock) the way that it closes. Maybe the lord was from the area between France and Germany? Diana www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 00:57:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k974vQcE015335 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 00:57:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k974vNqW016895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 00:57:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k974uHxP041777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 6 Oct 2006 22:56:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k974uCLl077148; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 22:56:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k974u6bl077054 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 22:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20061007045601m1200ooupme>; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 04:56:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-Id: <061F51CE-00A4-4A7C-988C-2EF9D78080D2@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:00:01 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] OT: 18th C dog leash X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452733B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 00:57:27 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c35a0069-f50e-4f2d-8f42-c560e94e45d3 Status: RO So, I am taking my dog to an 18th-century re-enactment. Usually I put a black leather collar and leash on her for those events, but this time we might need to be more historically accurate than that -- the spring-snap hook on the leash is definitely a modern convenience, and I don't know anything about 18th century harness hardware. I have just started squinting at 18th C pictures with dogs in them, but the connection between collar and leash is pretty much obscured. It does look like leash and collar are usually the same material, whether leather or rope. I'm wondering if maybe they used something like the modern show lead -- a leash with a ring at one end, you slip the other end through the ring and voila, instant slip collar. Since Alexander Pope was writing verses to attach to dog collars, I must assume there *were* separate collars -- but can anyone tell me how the leashes might have been attached? Yes, I see that they could just have been tied on, but if you own dogs you will understand why I think this was probably not the method of choice. Does anybody actually *know* how leashes were hooked to collars before the spring- loaded snap hook? If I can't figure this out in time I can always just tie a rope to the leather collar. My dog has a lot of fur; I can hope that it will obscure the worst anachronisms. Thanks! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 03:38:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977cmcF012835 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:38:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k977cjp5024539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:38:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977arrF059204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977anpR063814; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:36:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977ahac063751 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:36:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7955DD035A; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 07:30:29 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 00:37:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c6e9e3$646beb40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k977ahac063751 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45275985.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:38:48 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 38a68eaa-c344-4c4a-85d7-51f8633e2390 Status: RO Ahh, the swamps of home......(apologies to "Once Upon A Mattress" fans. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wanda Pease Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1520s french headwear--fresh eyes needed I was fortunate enough to have lived with the US forces in Germany several years while we were forming what is now the Kingdom (then Principality) of Drachenwald. One thing I treasure more than many others is a trip into the cellars of the German History Museum in Nuremberg with the Curator. We saw several slashed outfits and asked how "they", meaning the people who made the clothing for wearing, finished the slashes. His answer was "fish glue" on some of them. When the conservators opened up the linings and began to work with the garment you could still smell it very faintly. Other items were simply slashed across the bias and as Sharon says, they weren't washed so they didn't fray. Still other things such as shoes in velvet DID fray. They were ephemera anyway and not meant to last but be thrown/given away when they were no longer wearable. When we pounced on the steel shanked pearl buttons and lace cuff on several garments he sadly admitted that they had been rented in the early 1950's for costume balls!!! to raise money for the museum which was almost destroyed during the War. They had replaced the real buttons and put the cuffs on to do as much as possible to save the costumes. He had a picture of the loose gown with the undergown with silver lace like overlay (see Janet Arnold) on a lady who was holding her little lap dog in her arms and smiling for the camera. He had another of one of the men's outfits where the man was holding the glory of the collection, a huge gold and silver fully rigged ship style Nef as he poured wine or dispensed salt or spices to the diners at a "Medieval Dinner" held in the old town hall. At the time money was of more importance in saving the entire collection than individual items. The Nef originally had 110 little silver and gold men working on it. Now there are only 10. It's not so different now. An important collection of manuscripts held in the State Library of Baden in Karlsruhe, once a Duchy, will be auctioned off in order to raise enough money to keep up the Ducal castle of Salem (the name made me blink too) which is a school and a landmark. They hope the collection will bring about 70 million Euros. Sigh! At least the manuscripts will probably go to good homes who will love and treasure them. The castle, on the other hand could burn down, fall over, and sink into the swamp (or landscape since I don't remember swamps around there :-( Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sharon at Collierfam.com > The slashes -looks like the painter was trying to show shadow lines, > which you'd see if the inner material wasn't tight to the outer > material. I have a book, "Historical Fashion in Detail", which shows > pinked edges > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 03:39:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977duMW012922 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:39:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k977drnP024964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:39:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977cFxs059303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:38:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977cFMq064517; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:38:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977cCDo064499 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7ED134103F6; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 07:31:57 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] A curious French doublet Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 00:38:35 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c6e9e3$98eb4000$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20061006201213.62786.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:39:56 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 40e24693-2b46-4876-9a7e-b107fc7530b9 Status: RO Maybe he was "cutting edge" fashion? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:12 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] A curious French doublet The link to the Clouet drawings made me start looking for this picture again. It was years ago, now, that I asked about it and no one knew what I was talking about. But today I found it. This is a drawing of Admiral Coligny (1519 - 1572) from the 1560s or so, I think, with the most pecularly cut doub let you've ever seen. http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~lavoicy/poissy/coligny.JPG Thoughts? MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 03:49:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977n98h013638 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:49:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k977n6vt023204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 03:49:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977lNfc060222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977lMAn069513; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:47:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k977lIMi069472 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 01:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AA10104C0072; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 07:41:04 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:49:09 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 81f37fcd-24ab-4bec-ac11-0a2e87ef8dca Status: RO If you could find printed/woven material that was similar, you could just embroider around a motif, much easier and faster than embroidering the whole thing. Someone on my Ren Faire site posted this: http://www.wattsandco.com/ They said it was nice but expensive, but I seem to remember some red/black brocade there. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:17 PM To: TheRenaissanceTailor; GermanRenCostume; h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... Hi all, I finally got some pictures up on the website of the dress I am making for the Phoenix Art Museum. I spent a few days in the New York City Fabric district, and really didn't find much I liked. (I did buy some things, and have a few things in my stash I could use if I don't find anything I like better). If you have any source ideas - especially for the under bodice and the black outer gown, please suggest away. I don't hope to get anything exactly alike (obviously the under bodice was embroidered especially for this gown). My research tells me that they stuck "mostly" with dark rich colors. Thanks for your help in advance! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 04:06:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9785nXc015416 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 04:05:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9785gDM030403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 04:05:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9782lHG061779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:02:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9782A0Q080166; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97822RP080002 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2006 09:01:56 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAADP6JkWBTopBAgcCDAcGHQ Received: from 88-107-120-240.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.120.240]:4652 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GW787-000H7F-Qk for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 08:01:55 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061007090004.032410a0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:02:00 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 04:05:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 8aff2405-ab51-4dd9-b3ca-cf33c81ce7c6 Status: RO At 08:47 07/10/2006, you wrote: >If you could find printed/woven material that was similar, you could just >embroider around a motif, much easier and faster than embroidering the whole >thing. Someone on my Ren Faire site posted this: >http://www.wattsandco.com/ >They said it was nice but expensive, but I seem to remember some red/black >brocade there. Watts and Co is very, very expensive. http://www.mperkins.com/ has similar fabric but is much less expesive. I use hisa fabric a lot. Suzi >Hi all, I finally got some >pictures up >on the website of the dress I am making for the Phoenix Art Museum. I spent >a few days in the New York City Fabric district, and really didn't find much >I liked. (I did buy some things, and have a few things in my stash I could >use if I don't find anything I like better). > >If you have any source ideas - especially for the under bodice and the black >outer gown, please suggest away. I don't hope to get anything exactly alike >(obviously the under bodice was embroidered especially for this gown). My >research tells me that they stuck "mostly" with dark rich colors. > >Thanks for your help in advance! > >Sg > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 04:43:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k978hUuT024310 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 04:43:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k978hR9K014686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 04:43:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k978gvQQ065555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:42:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k978gqoj003882; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k978gnSW003802 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 02:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061007084242.CKXO199.fep32.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:42:42 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.175]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061007084242.ILFZ15236.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:42:42 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c6e9ec$966c4730$afe73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <061F51CE-00A4-4A7C-988C-2EF9D78080D2@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: 18th C dog leash Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:42:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.63.231.175] at Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:42:34 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452768AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 04:43:30 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 534b47d1-31fe-4ac6-b995-03b9f2fdf78f Status: RO Dear Lauren, In galleries des modes et costumes francaise i have seen one lady walking the dog. She has a silk ribbon tied to the collar band of the dog. A matching ribbon to her dress off cause................. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:00 AM Subject: [h-cost] OT: 18th C dog leash > So, I am taking my dog to an 18th-century re-enactment. Usually I put a > black leather collar and leash on her for those events, but this time we > might need to be more historically accurate than that -- the spring-snap > hook on the leash is definitely a modern convenience, and I don't know > anything about 18th century harness hardware. I have just started > squinting at 18th C pictures with dogs in them, but the connection > between collar and leash is pretty much obscured. It does look like leash > and collar are usually the same material, whether leather or rope. I'm > wondering if maybe they used something like the modern show lead -- a > leash with a ring at one end, you slip the other end through the ring and > voila, instant slip collar. Since Alexander Pope was writing verses to > attach to dog collars, I must assume there *were* separate collars -- but > can anyone tell me how the leashes might have been attached? Yes, I see > that they could just have been tied on, but if you own dogs you will > understand why I think this was probably not the method of choice. Does > anybody actually *know* how leashes were hooked to collars before the > spring- loaded snap hook? > If I can't figure this out in time I can always just tie a rope to the > leather collar. My dog has a lot of fur; I can hope that it will obscure > the worst anachronisms. > Thanks! > Lauren > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 10:15:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EFhDF024081 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:15:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97EFeZf030466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:15:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EEZYB006007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EEU55013918; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:14:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EEReM013793 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:14:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.84]) by bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:14:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 07:14:21 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:14:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4526DDE9.4080702@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:15:43 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: cecce609-07e2-4b88-a3bf-f8f84a385287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k97EFhDF024081 Status: RO Thanks to everyone who has offered up some sources. I'd never seen the two in the UK. http://www.wattsandco.com/ http://www.mperkins.com/ Melanie, I think I might have found something at designer fabrics which will work. I have had their website bookmarked several times over the last few years, loose them, and then can never remember their name. All I can ever remember is that they are in Canada! They have some of the best stuff - thanks! Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: Melanie Schuessler To: Historical Costume Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... Have you tried Designer Fabrics? I don't know if they have what you need, but they have an awful lot! http://www.designerfabrics.ca/shop/scripts/ Good luck, Melanie Schuessler Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Hi all, I finally got some > pictures> > up on the website of the dress I am making for the Phoenix Art > Museum. I spent a few days in the New York City Fabric district, and > really didn't find much I liked. (I did buy some things, and have a > few things in my stash I could use if I don't find anything I like > better). > > If you have any source ideas - especially for the under bodice and > the black outer gown, please suggest away. I don't hope to get > anything exactly alike (obviously the under bodice was embroidered > especially for this gown). My research tells me that they stuck > "mostly" with dark rich colors. > > Thanks for your help in advance! > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing > list h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 10:20:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EKtX3024185 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:20:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97EKqkl030946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:20:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EKFBo007382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EKCLi018756; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EK7sQ018533 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:20:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cb1.254adc (60435) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d01.mail.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD014-ec134527b78b37a; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:19:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <061F51CE-00A4-4A7C-988C-2EF9D78080D2@comcast.net> References: <061F51CE-00A4-4A7C-988C-2EF9D78080D2@comcast.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: 18th C dog leash Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:19:52 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4527B7C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:20:55 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 19e90b90-fd00-4020-94d3-c729c6b6e970 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k97EKtX3024185 Status: RO I don't know, but could the leash have been buckled to the collar? Most horse equipment used to be buckled before the use of modern materials like nylon leads and reins and synthetic saddles. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Oct 7, 2006, at 1:00 AM, Lauren Walker wrote: > So, I am taking my dog to an 18th-century re-enactment. Usually I put > a black leather collar and leash on her for those events, but this > time we might need to be more historically accurate than that -- the > spring-snap hook on the leash is definitely a modern convenience, and > I don't know anything about 18th century harness hardware. I have just > started squinting at 18th C pictures with dogs in them, but the > connection between collar and leash is pretty much obscured. It does > look like leash and collar are usually the same material, whether > leather or rope. I'm wondering if maybe they used something like the > modern show lead -- a leash with a ring at one end, you slip the other > end through the ring and voila, instant slip collar. Since Alexander > Pope was writing verses to attach to dog collars, I must assume there > *were* separate collars -- but can anyone tell me how the leashes > might have been attached? Yes, I see that they could just have been > tied on, but if you own dogs you will understand why I think this was > probably not the method of choice. Does anybody actually *know* how > leashes were hooked to collars before the spring-loaded snap hook? > If I can't figure this out in time I can always just tie a rope to the > leather collar. My dog has a lot of fur; I can hope that it will > obscure the worst anachronisms. > Thanks! > Lauren > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 10:50:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EosZg024971 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:50:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97Eopgg007333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:50:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EneXU013277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EndSo039795; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:49:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97EnZaH039679 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:49:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061007144929.MFZY24188.fep34.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:49:29 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.118]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061007144929.IPIF23229.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:49:29 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c6ea1f$d4be87e0$76e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c6e9e4$dec1dca0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <7.0.1.0.2.20061007090004.032410a0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:50:55 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 73cbdc0d-dd55-4e88-9b12-63d6876b9f91 Status: RO Hi Suzi, Whow, they have such metallic braid i have looked for everywhere: http://tinyurl.com/k4q94 Many thanks Suzi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... > At 08:47 07/10/2006, you wrote: >>If you could find printed/woven material that was similar, you could just >>embroider around a motif, much easier and faster than embroidering the >>whole >>thing. Someone on my Ren Faire site posted this: >>http://www.wattsandco.com/ >>They said it was nice but expensive, but I seem to remember some red/black >>brocade there. > > Watts and Co is very, very expensive. http://www.mperkins.com/ has similar > fabric but is much less expesive. I use hisa fabric a lot. > > Suzi > > >>Hi all, I finally got some >>pictures up >>on the website of the dress I am making for the Phoenix Art Museum. I >>spent >>a few days in the New York City Fabric district, and really didn't find >>much >>I liked. (I did buy some things, and have a few things in my stash I >>could >>use if I don't find anything I like better). >> >>If you have any source ideas - especially for the under bodice and the >>black >>outer gown, please suggest away. I don't hope to get anything exactly >>alike >>(obviously the under bodice was embroidered especially for this gown). My >>research tells me that they stuck "mostly" with dark rich colors. >> >>Thanks for your help in advance! >> >>Sg >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 11:00:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97F0GaT025172 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:00:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97F0DvM011573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:00:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97ExCFh014560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:59:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97ExAIE046145; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:59:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97Ex6Ca046032 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:59:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2006 15:59:00 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAGBcJ0WBTopBAgcECgcGHQ Received: from 88-107-120-240.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.120.240]:2168 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GWDdj-0009Su-Lz for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:58:59 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061007155657.032364f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:59:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:00:17 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 05072926-b472-414f-9849-0b74e280afb7 Status: RO At 15:49 07/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi Suzi, >Whow, they have such metallic braid i have looked for everywhere: >http://tinyurl.com/k4q94 > >Many thanks Suzi You can get the one on the left from Barnett Lawson too. http://www.bltrimmings.com/ You won't find them on the web site, but I know they have them in the shop, as I have bought some there. How much do you actually need? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 11:07:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97F7Vlc025388 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:07:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97F7R55019605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:07:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97F6q5q015400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:06:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97F6olF051227; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:06:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97F6hbd051071 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2006 16:06:35 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAALdeJ0WBTopBAgcCDAcGHQ Received: from 88-107-120-240.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.120.240]:2181 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GWDl5-000Cp5-I8 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:06:35 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061007155920.0323ad90@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:06:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <001101c6ea1f$d4be87e0$76e73f50@CPQ21932199711> References: <001001c6e9e4$dec1dca0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <7.0.1.0.2.20061007090004.032410a0@suziclarke.co.uk> <001101c6ea1f$d4be87e0$76e73f50@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k97F6hbd051071 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The perfect (costume) job, and I missed it! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4527C2AF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:07:31 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7474701b-35f5-4aec-a5d1-5a3a74bb2002 Status: RO A quote from today's Daily Mirror, normally a bit of a scandal sheet, it is headlined "OUT OF POCKET" (their capitals.) "Scientists have trousered Ł140,000 to study the history of women's pockets. The handout, from taxpayers, paid for two researchers to examine 18th century tie-on pouches (!) in a bid to 'help understand more clearly what they meant to those who wore them.' (!!) The grant was given to Southampton's Winchester School of Art and Textiles three years ago. The study results are on display at a Bath museum." I'd have done that for board and lodging and free photos! How dare they not ask me!! I took loads of photos in the U.S. recently of pockets. Did you know that on average, pockets in England are smaller than in the U.S? I bet they didn't put that in their research!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 11:08:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97F8Cf4025427 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:08:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97F875X014300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:08:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97F7ERP015445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:07:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97F7C0n051479; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97F74AK051351 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 09:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061007150700.INTU15187.fep31.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:07:00 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.118]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061007150659.IPDJ21675.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:06:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c6ea22$47b37a10$76e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c6e9e4$dec1dca0$0200a8c0@bob3pc><7.0.1.0.2.20061007090004.032410a0@suziclarke.co.uk><001101c6ea1f$d4be87e0$76e73f50@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20061007155657.032364f8@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:08:12 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 70bd5905-36c9-4669-8665-5603d13377e6 Status: RO Hi Suzi, It was the scalloped gold braid on the right, my eyes was after. Ideal for trimming tricornes. Also i have some dark blue ribbed silk, it would be very neat to trim a coat and waistcoat with. Its not something i want now, but its nice to know you can get it. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... > At 15:49 07/10/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Suzi, >>Whow, they have such metallic braid i have looked for everywhere: >>http://tinyurl.com/k4q94 >> >>Many thanks Suzi > > > You can get the one on the left from Barnett Lawson too. > http://www.bltrimmings.com/ You won't find them on the web site, but I > know they have them in the shop, as I have bought some there. How much do > you actually need? > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 12:33:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97GXPtH028622 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:33:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97GXKPo022256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:33:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97GWMU3027030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97GWJ0N015284; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:32:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97GWADi015177 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:32:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.49.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.49] helo=faucet.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GWF5t-0004FX-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:32:10 -0400 Message-ID: <4527E455.6080306@faucet.net> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:31:01 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help for fabric sources... 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Happy shopping, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 12:34:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97GYqji028666 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:34:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97GYnHb023003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:34:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97GXWwe027208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:33:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97GXVoK016208; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:33:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97GXQ9C016080 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.563.76ba628 (30739) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:33:13 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <563.76ba628.325930c9@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 12:33:13 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] A curious French doublet To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4527D729.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 12:34:52 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 77460106-c775-4e73-96c8-d344809a9365 Status: RO In a message dated 10/6/2006 11:29:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dch@inreach.com writes: The link to the Clouet drawings made me start looking > for this picture again. It was years ago, now, that I > asked about it and no one knew what I was talking > about. But today I found it. This is a drawing of > Admiral Coligny (1519 - 1572) from the 1560s or so, I > think, with the most pecularly cut doub let you've > ever seen. > > http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~lavoicy/poissy/coligny.JPG ****************************************************************************** ***** Interesting. I wonder if it's a jerkin all closed up, not really a doublet. [there's a collar sandwiched between the large collar and the shirt collar. Could that be a doublet collar?] and can be worn open with the double breasted like overlap turned back like reevers. There's no way to tell, that I can see, that it's got an underlap with buttons on it. [there is a big round thingie, but I think that's some kind of medallion] But with or without buttons, it seem more logical to me that the fronts are cut symmetrically. It could be the top of a long robe too, y'know. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 13:13:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97HD71j029950 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:13:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97HD416015807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:13:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97HCQ9j033663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97HCNDS048026; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97HCKGU047904 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:12:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200610071712140130044bq9e>; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 17:12:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: <000601c6e9ec$966c4730$afe73f50@CPQ21932199711> References: <061F51CE-00A4-4A7C-988C-2EF9D78080D2@comcast.net> <000601c6e9ec$966c4730$afe73f50@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: 18th C dog leash Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:16:18 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4527E020.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:13:07 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: a17a0b6d-981e-4fc1-a21e-f321fddd98cf Status: RO Oh, that's too lovely! I'm sure my dog would love a silk ribbon! Thank you! Lauren On Oct 7, 2006, at 4:42 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Lauren, > In galleries des modes et costumes francaise i have seen one lady > walking the dog. She has a silk ribbon tied to the collar band of > the dog. A matching ribbon to her dress off cause................. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Walker" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:00 AM > Subject: [h-cost] OT: 18th C dog leash > > >> So, I am taking my dog to an 18th-century re-enactment. Usually I >> put a black leather collar and leash on her for those events, but >> this time we might need to be more historically accurate than >> that -- the spring-snap hook on the leash is definitely a modern >> convenience, and I don't know anything about 18th century harness >> hardware. I have just started squinting at 18th C pictures with >> dogs in them, but the connection between collar and leash is >> pretty much obscured. It does look like leash and collar are >> usually the same material, whether leather or rope. I'm wondering >> if maybe they used something like the modern show lead -- a leash >> with a ring at one end, you slip the other end through the ring >> and voila, instant slip collar. Since Alexander Pope was writing >> verses to attach to dog collars, I must assume there *were* >> separate collars -- but can anyone tell me how the leashes might >> have been attached? Yes, I see that they could just have been >> tied on, but if you own dogs you will understand why I think this >> was probably not the method of choice. Does anybody actually >> *know* how leashes were hooked to collars before the spring- >> loaded snap hook? >> If I can't figure this out in time I can always just tie a rope >> to the leather collar. My dog has a lot of fur; I can hope that >> it will obscure the worst anachronisms. >> Thanks! >> Lauren >> Lauren M. Walker >> lauren.walker@comcast.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 13:42:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97Hg0iX030744 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:42:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97HfuRm030027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:42:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97Hexcc037554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97HepSa069655; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97HemdO069638 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:40:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so1937363pyc for ; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qfyRX110QQdyBqyqUi1t36BN7xwnyoq07natfnJkcEE4zvBhCJGhemyco142HdlqF91C3pJPSgGIEh+gGHKh3LFhYBrjqHDFaZ4C2OjBRj7GatlJgQ3YNMDrL7Q+e7oYtV9UueAnZhHuGK1lTS+0FBqrDtqsDNUHuqVTRPtKNH4= Received: by 10.65.139.9 with SMTP id r9mr6319366qbn; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.160.14 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 10:40:48 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re [h-cost] A curious French doublet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4527E6E4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:42:00 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 8d42e74f-23af-4218-90b2-54f73b61f77b Status: RO >he link to the Clouet drawings made me start looking >for this picture again....This is a drawing of >Admiral Coligny (1519 - 1572) from the 1560s or so, I >think, with the most pecularly cut doub let you've >ever seen. >http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~lavoicy/poissy/coligny.JPG Ah ha! This must be the source of the modern chef's jacket. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 15:23:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97JNpXG000898 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:23:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97JNlXU018313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:23:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97JMtlx049669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97JMptG039391; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:22:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97JMlT9039294 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061007192237.UIVO199.fep32.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:22:37 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.117]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061007192237.IROV15236.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 21:22:37 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c6ea45$fac9ccd0$7543a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c6e9e4$dec1dca0$0200a8c0@bob3pc><7.0.1.0.2.20061007090004.032410a0@suziclarke.co.uk><001101c6ea1f$d4be87e0$76e73f50@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20061007155920.0323ad90@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The perfect (costume) job, and I missed it! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:23:51 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 55b24300-cdbe-4f35-966d-919d00e96dae Status: RO Hi, That would have ben an interresting job. Do you happen to have any ideas why the american pockets was slightly bigger than the continental ones? Could it be that the american ladies were more independent and therefore had more to carry arround? Would off cause be mostly impossible to find out. Suzi do you know of any english dresses called open gown, wich would be without the watteau pleats in the back? It is mostly because i have a guess that some dresses must have ben made without the pleats, according to the paintings i have seen here in Denmark. The problem is that we only have very few dresses preserved from the time. And isnt it a shame, the museum of decorative arts in copenhagen have many 18th century dresses, but they have never ben published. I was thinking about asking, even i know it is pricy, to get photocopies of the dresses, they have in their files......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] The perfect (costume) job, and I missed it! > > A quote from today's Daily Mirror, normally a bit of a scandal sheet, it > is headlined "OUT OF POCKET" (their capitals.) > > "Scientists have trousered Ł140,000 to study the history of women's > pockets. > > The handout, from taxpayers, paid for two researchers to examine 18th > century tie-on pouches (!) in a bid to 'help understand more clearly what > they meant to those who wore them.' (!!) > > > > The grant was given to Southampton's Winchester School of Art and Textiles > three years ago. The study results are on display at a Bath museum." > > I'd have done that for board and lodging and free photos! How dare they > not ask me!! I took loads of photos in the U.S. recently of pockets. Did > you know that on average, pockets in England are smaller than in the U.S? > I bet they didn't put that in their research!! > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 16:07:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97K7lBR002093 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:07:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97K7iwi019693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97K6CUK054608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97K6Aa7066469; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:06:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97K65Nj066384 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2006 21:06:00 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAABqlJ0WBTopBAgcECgcGHQ Received: from 88-107-120-240.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.120.240]:2895 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GWIQp-0006OZ-Pi for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Oct 2006 20:05:59 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061007205915.03241c40@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:06:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The perfect (costume) job, and I missed it! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:07:48 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: dd729e19-b250-4fbf-bf85-3e8b243c9d88 Status: RO At 20:22 07/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi, >That would have ben an interresting job. Do you >happen to have any ideas why the american >pockets was slightly bigger than the continental ones? I mentioned it to Linda Baumgarten, while she was showing me some of the pockets at Williamsburg, but because we were rather rushed by that stage there wasn't time to go into more detail. It will be an interesting project though, for my sabbatical next year, while making my family wedding clothes. >Could it be that the american ladies were more >independent and therefore had more to carry arround? >Would off cause be mostly impossible to find out. >Suzi do you know of any english dresses called >open gown, wich would be without the watteau >pleats in the back? It is mostly because i have >a guess that some dresses must have ben made >without the pleats, according to the paintings i >have seen here in Denmark. The problem is that >we only have very few dresses preserved from the >time. And isnt it a shame, the museum of >decorative arts in copenhagen have many 18th >century dresses, but they have never ben >published. I was thinking about asking, even i >know it is pricy, to get photocopies of the >dresses, they have in their files......... Bjarne - are these the same as round gowns - I get very confused with the terminology! I think there may be some in Costume in Detail, and probably in the Williamsburg books. There are certainly gowns without pleats in all of those books. It would be good if you could get pictures of the Danish gowns - there are few enough pictures in the book by Ellen Andersen that was published by the Museum, although I suppose we are lucky enough to get any. Suzi >>A quote from today's Daily Mirror, normally a >>bit of a scandal sheet, it is headlined "OUT OF POCKET" (their capitals.) >> >>"Scientists have trousered Ł140,000 to study the history of women's pockets. >> >>The handout, from taxpayers, paid for two >>researchers to examine 18th century tie-on >>pouches (!) in a bid to 'help understand more >>clearly what they meant to those who wore them.' (!!) >> >> >> >>The grant was given to Southampton's Winchester >>School of Art and Textiles three years ago. The >>study results are on display at a Bath museum." >> >>I'd have done that for board and lodging and >>free photos! How dare they not ask me!! I took >>loads of photos in the U.S. recently of >>pockets. Did you know that on average, pockets >>in England are smaller than in the U.S? I bet >>they didn't put that in their research!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 7 18:42:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97Mgiqt005891 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:42:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k97Mgf49010316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:42:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97MfYRT074960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97MfTu8065610; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97MfPgq065561 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.180] (pm5-180.eos.net [205.133.149.180]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k97MfNqe028490 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 18:41:24 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:25:27 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200610071741.k97HfePi070260@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 663 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45282D61.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:42:44 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 8760f567-8615-4bcf-aac9-75f9475acf01 Status: RO on 10/7/06 1:41 PM, Suzi wrote: > Watts and Co is very, very expensive. http://www.mperkins.com/ has > similar fabric but is much less expesive. I use hisa fabric a lot. Thanks for posting that site! I really enjoyed it, and even with my slow internet connection the pictures came up right away. I love those beautiful ecclesiastical fabrics... boy, that ugly 1970s cross orphry really stood out against all the other classic designs. I guess they needed something "modern." Ugh! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 8 06:02:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98A2T8q030795 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 06:02:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k98A2Qtm018108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 06:02:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98A1C0S052570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:01:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98A14FA044341; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:01:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98A0l7B044163 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1GWVSg-000Mpn-FM for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:00:46 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:59:40 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need e-copy of TI article on Norman dress References: <4526D6BD.8080804@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.06-U () X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4528CCB2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 06:02:29 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b5a49011-1415-4a18-ac77-916bdadac788 Status: RO Happy to help. I just thought, if I was trying to finish a dress this weekend for next weekend, I would be drumming my fingers and pacing the floor if I couldn't get on with it first thing Saturday morning! Jean Robin Netherton wrote > >The need has been fulfilled! Many thanks to Jean Waddie, speed-demon >scanner, and Susan and Melanie, who also offered. > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 8 06:44:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98Aik9x003733 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 06:44:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k98Aigug017660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 06:44:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98AhfYI056339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:43:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98AhYuk070718; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98AhUkK070671 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 04:43:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061008104329.QUNR19305.fep35.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:43:29 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.110]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061008104329.IVXG21675.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:43:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c6eac6$9feb4ce0$6e6ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:43:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.164.110.110] at Sun, 8 Oct 2006 12:43:25 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] stock kravat buckle, 18th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4528D69A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 06:44:46 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 8a3c3674-e487-4520-a4ec-2cc212ecf230 Status: RO Hi, Does anybody here know how the stock kravat buckle was fastened to the stock kravat? I made some small bars to attach to the small nails in the buckle, but everytime i fumble and try to tie it on my neck, it goes off. I have desided to sew it very tightly to the small nails. Another question is the 2 spears, are they just forced into the band? I was considering making small holes and work them with thread, to the spears? Same with the knee buckles, those spears are quite big, and are they also just pierced into the knee band? It is reproduktion buckles i have, and i think they are correct. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 8 08:05:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98C54hf005387 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 08:05:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k98C518D022812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 08:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98BrsOf062120 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:53:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98Bro9w009822; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:53:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98Brim5009734 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 05:53:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from r.carnegie@verizon.net) Received: from owner85a4f9e93 ([71.241.35.71]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6T002OQFP1IHTE@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 06:53:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 07:53:28 -0400 From: "Ron Carnegie" Subject: Re: [h-cost] stock kravat buckle, 18th century To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <000f01c6ead0$5e9d92c0$8742fea9@owner85a4f9e93> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000901c6eac6$9feb4ce0$6e6ea450@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4528E96D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 08:05:05 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c253f5cb-1ee7-4486-9dee-42c130b2de10 Status: RO The end of the buckle that attached to the stock, with whta I believe you are describing as "small nails" are placed through small eylets that are sewn into the end of the stock. They just hold themselves in similiar to how a 19th century shirt stud holds itself in. No "bar" should be needed. The "spears" simply go into the stock. You could work holes for them, but then you will lose the adaptable nature of the buckle. I can't speak to other materials, but linen holds up well to this process, though with time and daily wear my expereince is that they will eventually fail. I would recommend however Bjarne, that you look for some original buckles. My understanding is that paste buckles may easily be found in Europe, I know this is so in Britain. Original buckles tend to be better made than repros and more importantly far fancier ones may be found which is more in keeping with the sort of work you do. Ron Carnegie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:43 AM Subject: [h-cost] stock kravat buckle, 18th century > Hi, > Does anybody here know how the stock kravat buckle was fastened to the > stock kravat? I made some small bars to attach to the small nails in the > buckle, but everytime i fumble and try to tie it on my neck, it goes off. > I have desided to sew it very tightly to the small nails. > Another question is the 2 spears, are they just forced into the band? I > was considering making small holes and work them with thread, to the > spears? > Same with the knee buckles, those spears are quite big, and are they also > just pierced into the knee band? > It is reproduktion buckles i have, and i think they are correct. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 8 16:57:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98KvAf1018990 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:57:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k98Kv5N1028945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:57:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98KttmV031747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:55:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98Ktifk011251; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:55:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98KtQcC011007 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 14:55:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c38.4b3306e (41811) for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:55:10 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The perfect (costume) job, and I missed it! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45296621.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:57:10 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e0e2d091-2ff9-408c-aa77-eeabd6ce1a33 Status: RO In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:07:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: Suzi do you know of any English dresses called >open gown, ****************** are these the same as round gowns ***************** Uno momento.... Round Gowns are called Round Gowns, I thought, because they went all the way 'round....as in they were not the open robes so ubiquitous throughout the 18th century. So I doubt they would be the same as something called an "open gown" But you never know. Y'know, I was just looking at some pics of some Quaker gowns from the 1770s that are cut in the familiar fashion, with the CF bodice closing edge to edge, the back English, but also without an open skirt and petticoat. Instead is a skirt that closes all the way round, it having a front panel like an apron that is not stitched to the bodice like the rest of the skirt. Not unlike a gown in Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" 18th century volume...but earlier than that gown [which is 1790s I think] Definitely a gown that goes all the way 'round but not a Round Gown. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 8 18:37:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98Mb82h021741 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:37:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k98Mb5Gw020866 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:37:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98MIlwV041498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98MIgnQ067931; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k98MIbpg067810 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 08 Oct 2006 23:18:29 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAAAVKUWBTopBAgcECgcGHQ Received: from 88-107-120-240.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.120.240]:3917 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GWgyb-000Duh-3s for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:18:29 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061008231532.031f3a58@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2006 23:18:26 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] The perfect (costume) job, and I missed it! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45297D91.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Oct 2006 18:37:09 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 444972cd-1bc7-46da-8b14-61cde13be545 Status: RO At 21:55 08/10/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/7/2006 4:07:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > >Suzi do you know of any English dresses called > >open gown, > > >****************** > > are these the same as round gowns > >***************** > >Uno momento.... > >Round Gowns are called Round Gowns, I thought, because they went all the way >'round....as in they were not the open robes so ubiquitous throughout the >18th century. So I doubt they would be the same as something called an "open >gown" >But you never know. >Y'know, I was just looking at some pics of some Quaker gowns from the 1770s >that are cut in the familiar fashion, with the CF bodice closing edge to >edge, the back English, but also without an open skirt and >petticoat. Instead is >a skirt that closes all the way round, it having a front panel like an apron >that is not stitched to the bodice like the rest of the skirt. Not unlike a >gown in Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion" 18th >century volume...but earlier >than that gown [which is 1790s I think] Definitely a gown that goes all the >way 'round but not a Round Gown. I think I must have had a senior moment when writing my answer! A round gown doesn't have pleats as the back but has a shaped back. That is what I meant by "Are these the same as round gowns" - the sentence should have read - "Do these have the same back as round gowns?" Long explanation for stupid question! Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 02:30:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k996URkp011783 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:30:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k996UNQw019411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:30:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k996TcaT002837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 00:29:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k996TWcA093265; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 00:29:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k996TSJp093172 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 00:29:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061009062923011005tkcve>; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 06:29:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: 18cWoman <18cWoman@yahoogroups.com>, Historical h-costume Message-Id: <1C63F980-649C-4AA6-9EF5-3222FD093D9F@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:33:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4529EC80.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 02:30:27 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4a4db735-4c77-47de-9455-4355fbf60eab Status: RO I'm just watching the Casanova with Peter O'Toole on Masterpiece Theatre, and I must ask -- any chance that the women's hairstyle of curls or curled-up tiny braids interspersed with many little ribbons is an authentic 18th C one? (Henriette wears it, at least throughout Part I, which is all I've seen so far.) It's so much more fun than the French court towers of powdered hair... Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 04:03:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99839qV030279 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 04:03:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99835Mh006329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 04:03:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9981sVf012649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:01:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9981pEF055405; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web36614.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web36614.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.85.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9981lxH055245 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:01:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 80137 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Oct 2006 08:01:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n7I00Rh/eKtjBeFu0Wj8R0zdiZYypBjxQAfCLQujxe+DB9cIj352JeLxv3qHIkWqphEdRIoZtjqixwzaXPcOFn62m1Ljq/bf8yCWUk8xsSLPJxCoK0qnWnga9thCFAdHxVPbHuFsVAyOlPNmP+S7DvivA4YRwVttIkJ+YBQevj4= ; Message-ID: <20061009080142.80135.qmail@web36614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [71.160.123.129] by web36614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 01:01:42 PDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 01:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 04:03:09 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b4dc8eb9-2963-44fa-8988-b33c1a854857 Status: RO I was wondering about the ladies clothes, it was supposed to be 1740 ,Venice Italy and all the gowns look like French court dresses.....is any of the dress or hairstyles correct?...anyone? Lauren Walker wrote: I'm just watching the Casanova with Peter O'Toole on Masterpiece Theatre, and I must ask -- any chance that the women's hairstyle of curls or curled-up tiny braids interspersed with many little ribbons is an authentic 18th C one? (Henriette wears it, at least throughout Part I, which is all I've seen so far.) It's so much more fun than the French court towers of powdered hair... Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 10:32:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99EWJXG008426 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:32:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99EWGaU008272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:32:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99EUopq075171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:30:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99EUeA0063805; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99EUaVc063659 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:30:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.76]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:30:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:30:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:30:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:30:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 07:30:40 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2006 14:30:30.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[78FEDA90:01C6EBAF] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Early 1800's "underpinnings" and accessories questons. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452A5D70.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:32:20 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: af860acf-a9b0-47df-970b-f101d30f39ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k99EWJXG008426 Status: RO Hi all - I always know this is a good starting place for things outside my normal purvey. I have been asked to recreate "a slip" for this gown: http://www.coraginsburg.com/catalogues/2004/cat2004pg10&11.htm The curator refers to it as a slip, but I think what she really means is a lining. (I haven't actually seen the gown yet - I will know more Wednesday.) She thinks it would have been made out of china silk...my experience with china silk is that it is pretty sheer. Does anyone know if there were heavier china silks at this time? Would it have been considered improper to be able to see any shape of the legs through the gown if the lighting were "just right?" Also, the catalog says she would have worn gloves and a headdress. My limited knowledge of this time tells me: Long gloves - would they be coordinated in color? Headdress - pretty simple - more like a decoration rather than an actual hat. I'd like to hear what you think. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 11:11:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FBdEj009361 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:11:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99FBagB013373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:11:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99F85J0081876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99F7rah002508; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99Esfak087269 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:54:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bd8.530d75a (33856) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:54:34 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 10:54:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early 1800's "underpinnings" and accessories questons. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452A66A8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:11:39 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d52268af-d7da-4249-9619-65a557085435 Status: RO In a message dated 10/9/2006 10:32:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: Hi all - I always know this is a good starting place for things outside my normal purvey. I have been asked to recreate "a slip" for this gown What was called a "slip" we would probably call an underdress. It was cut pretty much just like a dress, with waistline seam. Sometimes a sleeve, sometimes not--a puffed sleeve on the underdress would, though, help provide support for the outer sheer sleeve. China silk probably is a bit lightweight. I've used a medium-weight silk twill for a similar purpose, simply because I could find it. I'm just guessing maybe cream color for a bright yellow dress like that. There is, I believe, an 1807 or so fashion plate described as a yellow dress with a cream slip. "Nude," or peach color, would have been common under a white dress that early in the century. By the second decade, you see bright colors, like red or bright pink, under a sheer white dress. Gloves would be elbow length. White is always right. One does see colors, but not necessarily what we would think of as coordinating--violet, for example. If the dress weren't so early, I would go with a turban for headgear, but I think they are more appropriate for 1810 and later. So, yes, some fancy hair ornaments--maybe yellow plumes and pearls. Is the trim brown? Maybe amber or tortoise shell ornaments of some kind then--jeweled combs or something similar--to pick up that color? I take it you are doing this so the garment can be on display at a museum. When appropriate, please let us know where and when. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 11:11:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FBgQG009369 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:11:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99FBdYL001916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:11:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99F9RG0082102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99F9NGV004106; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:09:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99F7ure002471 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:08:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.11961711; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:07:21 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k99F7Gb17179.; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:07:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:07:16 +0100 Message-Id: <452A73A902000014000C25E1@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:07:05 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century dog leash X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452A66AB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:11:43 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 5671abbb-7b0e-4ebe-b760-3c11b5912414 Status: RO I knew I'd seen antique brass dog collars, but can't remember how the leash was attached. The only one thrown up by a quick Google search is http://www.alistairsampson.com/productdetails.asp?product_id=85 . I see this has a rectangular slot which could have had a leather strap buckled through it. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 11:21:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FL5O4009613 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:21:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99FL2HZ010544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:21:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FJ1Ct083672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:19:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FIs0K013973; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.80]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FIf3Z013547 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.75]) by bay0-omc1-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:18:29 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:18:26 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:18:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early 1800's "underpinnings" and accessories questons. Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:18:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 08:18:36 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2006 15:18:26.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[2B16D650:01C6EBB6] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452A68DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:21:05 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 69956844-4b8c-4e6c-8baf-9b722f4e4248 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k99FL5O4009613 Status: RO Thank you for the pointers Ann. The dress will be on display at the Phoenix Art Museum. They are opening a new wing, partly for the fashion department, in January 2007. I think that is when they would like it. But they have me doing some other very time consuming things for the Rijksmuseum Golden Age Exhibit....those will probably take precedence. Sg I take it you are doing this so the garment can be on display at a museum. When appropriate, please let us know where and when. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 11:42:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FgHL1010097 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:42:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99FgDXd003182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:42:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FfTsd087896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FfPNW037864; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:41:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FfLkh037690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:41:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:15831 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GWxFn-0007cv-Hw for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:41:20 -0500 Message-ID: <03a801c6ebb9$5f5968d0$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early 1800's "underpinnings" and accessories questons. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:42:17 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4e0b4b39-a02b-40f8-8767-42869ee3ad6e Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" <> The Rijksmuseum has some of my favorite paintings! Can you tell me any more about this: when, where, & what? The husband and I hope that this winter, we'll finally take our long-planned wander-around-the-west trip, and if there's something I can see on the way I'd be delighted. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 11:59:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FxBh3010593 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:59:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99Fx8Xc006373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:59:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99Fw5AO090445 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:58:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FvquE055113; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99FvZuB054789 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 09:57:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dluckham@sympatico.ca) Received: from Main.sympatico.ca ([69.156.136.37]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20061009155733.ROFF29052.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@Main.sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:57:33 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20061009114959.00bc2c00@pop8.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1jerw63@pop8.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:57:28 -0400 To: "h-costume" From: Dawn Luckham Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Early 1800's "underpinnings" and accessories questions. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452A71CC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 11:59:12 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9d7eb3c4-3f27-46a5-9cb1-983e78bfa431 Status: RO Hi Saragrace, Sadly, I'm unable to see your link :( and I'm finding the h-cost posting system almost impossible to use. It keeps bouncing my message! This is the last try. I've been collecting images of under-gowns and bodiced petticoats just as recently as yesterday. I hope this will help you out. http ://tinyurl.com/f8fm3 The first two images in the file are from the Manchester Galleries. Both are cotton, I believe. Perhaps your curator is thinking of something like the sleeved Manchester galleries garment, which almost looks like an under-gown to me. If she wants China silk (habitoi - it comes in different weights0 you may want two undergarments - a cotton slip something like the version with the under-flaps and simple front placket (you could also do a back closure) plus the silk undergown. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 14:50:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99IoHkn016005 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:50:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99IoEi6013224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 14:50:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99ImwDX021265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:48:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99IlNnR038337; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:47:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.173]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99Ikr5S037510 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 12:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.78]) by bay0-omc2-s37.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:46:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:46:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:46:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <03a801c6ebb9$5f5968d0$b300a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early 1800's "underpinnings" and accessories questons. Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:46:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 11:46:50 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Oct 2006 18:46:35.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F2A2030:01C6EBD3] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452A99E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:50:17 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 27240b04-d615-4786-af98-80252605b995 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k99IoHkn016005 Status: RO http://www.codart.nl/exhibitions/details/832/ E - this has the information. Look way down at the bottom of the page. Hopefully you'll come to see it when it is Phoenix! Thanks for your interest, Saragrace ----- Original Message ----- From: E House To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early 1800's "underpinnings" and accessories questons. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" > <> The Rijksmuseum has some of my favorite paintings! Can you tell me any more about this: when, where, & what? The husband and I hope that this winter, we'll finally take our long-planned wander-around-the-west trip, and if there's something I can see on the way I'd be delighted. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 9 15:22:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99JMw4B016932 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:22:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k99JMsir017507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:22:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99JKCnj026871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99JJxYF073261; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:20:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k99JJrgM073072 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:19:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c84.420fdc9 (48345) for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 15:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D38 (fwm-d38.webmail.aol.com [205.188.162.14]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM016-bcd9452aa0cb1f5; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:19:39 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was wonder too about the clothes...... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:22:58 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0f5d9911-42d2-4d58-9c43-aefb6494b46c Status: RO Yikes, I caught bits and pieces of Casanova while I was taping. It's atrocious! Casanova was wearing a red shirt that buttoned down the front (not in 1740!), as well as a black neckcloth. I've seen black stocks, but not black jabots. Ladies had aqua lace engagentes (sleeve lace). I've seen many an 18th century gown and I've never seen colored lace on sleeves like that. And don't get me started on the women's hair! Awful. Kathleen Norvell -----Original Message----- From: celticredhead2002@yahoo.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was wonder too about the clothes...... I was wondering about the ladies clothes, it was supposed to be 1740 ,Venice Italy and all the gowns look like French court dresses.....is any of the dress or hairstyles correct?...anyone? Lauren Walker wrote: I'm just watching the Casanova with Peter O'Toole on Masterpiece Theatre, and I must ask -- any chance that the women's hairstyle of curls or curled-up tiny braids interspersed with many little ribbons is an authentic 18th C one? (Henriette wears it, at least throughout Part I, which is all I've seen so far.) It's so much more fun than the French court towers of powdered hair... Lauren Lauren M. 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I was wonder too about the clothes...... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8C8B9EEFFE93D8A-DEC-210E@FWM-D38.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452AD1D6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:48:57 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 953dce33-f1cc-41f6-ac85-386d9ed75a36 Status: RO Before it was over, I decided that it is meant to be looked at in the same frame of mind as, say A Knight's Tale. The script was fantastic--both in the sence of wonderful/funny and off-beat. The color pallette, like the dance music and the hair, just a little peculiar. This was clearly Venice in a not-entirely-parallel dimension. But I loved it anyway. MaggiRos ~who has not been out of love with Peter O'Toole, ever. --- appin1@aol.com wrote: > Yikes, > I caught bits and pieces of Casanova while I was > taping. It's atrocious! Casanova was wearing a red > shirt that buttoned down the front (not in 1740!), > as well as a black neckcloth. I've seen black > stocks, but not black jabots. Ladies had aqua lace > engagentes (sleeve lace). I've seen many an 18th > century gown and I've never seen colored lace on > sleeves like that. And don't get me started on the > women's hair! > > Awful. > > Kathleen Norvell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: celticredhead2002@yahoo.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 4:01 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was > wonder too about the clothes...... > > > I was wondering about the ladies clothes, it was > supposed to be 1740 ,Venice > Italy and all the gowns look like French court > dresses.....is any of the dress > or hairstyles correct?...anyone? > > > Lauren Walker wrote: > I'm just watching the Casanova with Peter O'Toole > on Masterpiece > Theatre, and I must ask -- any chance that the > women's hairstyle of > curls or curled-up tiny braids interspersed with > many little ribbons > is an authentic 18th C one? (Henriette wears it, at > least throughout > Part I, which is all I've seen so far.) It's so much > more fun than > the French court towers of powdered hair... > Lauren > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:14:24 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: ed912861-8569-429c-b9c7-43bf872e54c3 Status: RO Interesting observation about the similarities of this show and A Knight's Tale....... Funny fact is the girl playing the romantic lead "Henriette" was the female Blacksmith _IN_ "A Knight's Tale"... MaggiRos wrote: Before it was over, I decided that it is meant to be looked at in the same frame of mind as, say A Knight's Tale. The script was fantastic--both in the sence of wonderful/funny and off-beat. The color pallette, like the dance music and the hair, just a little peculiar. This was clearly Venice in a not-entirely-parallel dimension. But I loved it anyway. MaggiRos ~who has not been out of love with Peter O'Toole, ever. --- appin1@aol.com wrote: > Yikes, > I caught bits and pieces of Casanova while I was > taping. It's atrocious! Casanova was wearing a red > shirt that buttoned down the front (not in 1740!), > as well as a black neckcloth. I've seen black > stocks, but not black jabots. Ladies had aqua lace > engagentes (sleeve lace). I've seen many an 18th > century gown and I've never seen colored lace on > sleeves like that. And don't get me started on the > women's hair! > > Awful. > > Kathleen Norvell > > > -----Original Message----- > From: celticredhead2002@yahoo.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 4:01 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was > wonder too about the clothes...... > > > I was wondering about the ladies clothes, it was > supposed to be 1740 ,Venice > Italy and all the gowns look like French court > dresses.....is any of the dress > or hairstyles correct?...anyone? > > > Lauren Walker wrote: > I'm just watching the Casanova with Peter O'Toole > on Masterpiece > Theatre, and I must ask -- any chance that the > women's hairstyle of > curls or curled-up tiny braids interspersed with > many little ribbons > is an authentic 18th C one? (Henriette wears it, at > least throughout > Part I, which is all I've seen so far.) It's so much > more fun than > the French court towers of powdered hair... > Lauren > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 10 10:37:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AEbXfY030985 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9AEbTdA005483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AEZOwD078167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AEZGWe088601; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:35:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AEZAH9088465 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 08:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with SMTP id 1092414814 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:34:15 -0500 Message-ID: <01a001c6ec79$3393f3d0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061010041301.5555.qmail@web36609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS.... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:37:33 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 92ab0064-e9d8-4c25-a2ea-941b11261c3b Status: RO > Interesting observation about the similarities of this show and A Knight's > Tale....... Funny fact is the girl playing the romantic lead "Henriette" > was the female Blacksmith _IN_ "A Knight's Tale"... > THANK YOU! I knew I recognized her, but I *could not* place her, and I didn't recognize or catch all the names of people in the credits, which went by too fast anyway. :-) I agree with the previous critics -- great entertainment, but even a clueless costume fan like me can tell that it's a modern interpretation designed to appeal to modern audiences who are *not* costume experts. Lovely colors and fun hair styles. The one gown that Henriette wears (green?) could have used something under it though -- the hoop made such a sharp line. What is with that black neck wrapping, anyway? He wears it with every single type of outfit, from ball-fancy to prison wear. It made me think he must have a big tattoo there, or something! Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 10 11:18:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AFIkaO031643 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:18:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9AFIhob023917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:18:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AFHKog084024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AFG9sG030084; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AFFv1g029908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:16:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-222-7-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.222.7]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9AFFsmr009909 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:15:56 +1000 Message-ID: <003301c6ec7f$44d6fe20$07def5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061009224723.10430.qmail@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was wonder too about theclothes...... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:18:46 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 51d52b59-f742-44fd-8851-a027ba63fe7c Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaggiRos" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was wonder too about theclothes...... > Before it was over, I decided that it is meant to be > looked at in the same frame of mind as, say A Knight's > Tale. The script was fantastic--both in the sence of > wonderful/funny and off-beat. The color pallette, like > the dance music and the hair, just a little peculiar. > > This was clearly Venice in a not-entirely-parallel > dimension. But I loved it anyway. > > MaggiRos > ~who has not been out of love with Peter O'Toole, > ever. > Yep, I saw it when it was on in Australia almost a year ago (I think) I loved it as a story and the costumes looked pretty and they were enough like the real thing that it didn't really jar (though I'm an 18th century novice) my recollection of it is that, at least for the first half, the overall look isn't too bad (and I didn't have enough knowledge of the 18th century to know that those were French fashions that don't belong in Venice) and in the second half the anachronisms are clearly deliberate and not intended to really fool anybody (it's the insidious ones I don't like, they start myths that you have to spend a long time beating out of new costumers, Scarlett O'Hara's 16 inch waist is probably the biggest example). I agree with you that the script was fabulous, the acting was also very good (with maybe one or two exceptions among the minor characters). *SPOILER ALERT* Don't read any further if you haven't seen the end and don't want to find out whether it has a happy or sad ending (though I'm not giving anything else away) - - - - - - - - - - - And I bawled my eyes out at the end when the letter arrives. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 10 16:49:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AKmxex008516 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:48:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9AKmu8d003235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:49:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AKlGag049570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AKkw4K029068; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:46:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AKkqSW028937 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.174.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.174]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GXOV0-0002fP-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:46:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20061009114959.00bc2c00@pop8.sympatico.ca> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20061009114959.00bc2c00@pop8.sympatico.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <959A1426-353E-480A-9819-E091D1FEB37E@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:46:25 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Event query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452C0738.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:49:00 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c17aceeb-df15-43ec-a644-ef1c7d89a265 Status: RO Hello the list! A friend sent me this website because he knows I "like this stuff." http://www.oook.cz/events/hradec-kralove06/ Can anyone tell me what event I'm looking at? Pretty colors, eh? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Dawn Luckham wrote: > Hi Saragrace, > > Sadly, I'm unable to see your link :( and I'm finding the h-cost > posting system almost impossible to use. It keeps bouncing my > message! This is the last try. > > I've been collecting images of under-gowns and bodiced petticoats > just as recently as yesterday. I hope this will help you out. > > http > ://tinyurl.com/f8fm3 > > The first two images in the file are from the Manchester > Galleries. Both are cotton, I believe. Perhaps your curator is > thinking of something like the sleeved Manchester galleries > garment, which almost looks like an under-gown to me. If she wants > China silk (habitoi - it comes in different weights0 you may want > two undergarments - a cotton slip something like the version with > the under-flaps and simple front placket (you could also do a back > closure) plus the silk undergown. > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 10 17:02:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AL2mf7008716 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:02:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9AL2jJ8010308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:02:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AL0hvw052046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:00:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AL0WiU043348; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:00:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AL0Kar043169 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:00:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edlyn@arquillalabs.com) Received: from [24.223.185.50] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GXOi4-0008Oc-N4 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:00:20 -0400 Message-ID: <452C09E3.1000509@arquillalabs.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:00:19 -0400 From: "edlyn@arquillalabs.com" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query References: <5.1.1.6.2.20061009114959.00bc2c00@pop8.sympatico.ca> <959A1426-353E-480A-9819-E091D1FEB37E@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <959A1426-353E-480A-9819-E091D1FEB37E@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: 393ec89ab950cde039678082d2ded72e9ef193a6bfc3dd48c3ba727c644e7a7d81d907831bf9532c29ca3e42375bd564350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.223.185.50 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452C0A75.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:02:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0e7bd0e8-50ad-4f4e-a018-5548d490f7c9 Status: RO Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > Hello the list! > A friend sent me this website because he knows I "like this stuff." > > http://www.oook.cz/events/hradec-kralove06/ > > Can anyone tell me what event I'm looking at? > Pretty colors, eh? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > I have no idea what event it is but the photos are gorgeous. When I was stationed in southern Italy I attended a multi-day event in Otranto where the four quarters of the city competed in jousting, wrestling and so forth to see which quarter had first rights to take water from the city well. The whole thing was done in 14th century armor and clothing as the tradition went back to at least that far. I wonder if this is something similar... Edlyn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 10 18:12:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMCUY1010629 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:12:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9AMCPFl009666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:12:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMAY8v065642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:10:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMAUGw015921; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:10:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMAPiU015708 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.168.13]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:10:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:10:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.168.200 by by113fd.bay113.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:10:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.215.137.189] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <452C09E3.1000509@arquillalabs.com> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:10:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Oct 2006 22:10:16.0614 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDCF8460:01C6ECB8] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452C1AC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:12:31 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 537b05f3-9d68-43fb-a4d9-bf5a9481d8fd Status: RO My Polish friend, Ela, Tells me that it might be Czechoslovakian or Hungarian, but the only sense it made to her was that "Hradek Kralove" is the name of a person. Good luck from there... Laurie >From: "edlyn@arquillalabs.com" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query >Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:00:19 -0400 > >Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: >>Hello the list! >>A friend sent me this website because he knows I "like this stuff." >> >>http://www.oook.cz/events/hradec-kralove06/ >> >>Can anyone tell me what event I'm looking at? >>Pretty colors, eh? >>--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >>scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >I have no idea what event it is but the photos are gorgeous. When I was >stationed in southern Italy I attended a multi-day event in Otranto where >the four quarters of the city competed in jousting, wrestling and so forth >to see which quarter had first rights to take water from the city well. The >whole thing was done in 14th century armor and clothing as the tradition >went back to at least that far. I wonder if this is something similar... > >Edlyn >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 10 18:47:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMlFGM011377 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:47:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9AMlCPj024805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:47:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMj9QQ070491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:45:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMj7t9048247; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMj3jO048094 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c5a.3d2d7af (57365) for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:44:53 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was wonder too about theclothes...... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452C22F0.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:47:16 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b360959a-9f06-4c8e-91d3-1d54ec7f825d Status: RO I saw it - lord - 12 - 18 months ago (?) when it was originally aired on the beeb. And I have to say, I thought the costumes were fantastic!! >From a historical perspective, absolutely pants, but, as already said, more in the vein of a knight's tale, meant to convey a particular impression to modern eyes - which I really do think it did brilliantly. Plus, it was incredibly well written and acted (Peter O'Toole and David Tennant in particular both as wonderful as ever). And me too on the bawling!! debs In a message dated 10/10/06 7:03:09 PM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:17:57 +1000 > From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was wonder too about > theclothes...... > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <003301c6ec7f$44d6fe20$07def5dc@user4712b7d135> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MaggiRos" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:47 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS........ I was wonder too about > theclothes...... > > > >Before it was over, I decided that it is meant to be > >looked at in the same frame of mind as, say A Knight's > >Tale. The script was fantastic--both in the sence of > >wonderful/funny and off-beat. The color pallette, like > >the dance music and the hair, just a little peculiar. > > > >This was clearly Venice in a not-entirely-parallel > >dimension. But I loved it anyway. > > > >MaggiRos > >~who has not been out of love with Peter O'Toole, > >ever. > > > Yep, I saw it when it was on in Australia almost a year ago (I think) I > loved it as a story and the costumes looked pretty and they were enough like > > the real thing that it didn't really jar (though I'm an 18th century novice) > > my recollection of it is that, at least for the first half, the overall look > > isn't too bad (and I didn't have enough knowledge of the 18th century to > know that those were French fashions that don't belong in Venice) and in the > > second half the anachronisms are clearly deliberate and not intended to > really fool anybody (it's the insidious ones I don't like, they start myths > that you have to spend a long time beating out of new costumers, Scarlett > O'Hara's 16 inch waist is probably the biggest example). I agree with you > that the script was fabulous, the acting was also very good (with maybe one > or two exceptions among the minor characters). > *SPOILER ALERT* so nobody reads it by mistake!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 10 18:59:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMxSR1011677 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:59:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9AMxPJa025241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:59:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMwRnl072467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMwPuM060222; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:58:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AMwJ5I060074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:18247 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GXQYE-0004E7-IF for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: <00f301c6ecbf$8fea8d60$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:58:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452C25CD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:59:29 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: fc3eb429-5727-42b1-832f-e12de49899d4 Status: RO Drat. As I was flipping though the tv guide, I saw this, and almost decided to watch it, but found something else. I assumed it would be... something entirely different from what it apparently was. Honestly and no offense intended, a lot of the costume flicks that my fellow costumiers like just plain bore the crap out of me. Here's hoping that they or bbc america show it again sometime! (Oooh, look, Dr. Who!) -E House PS--Ah ha! They're showing it again on the 15th. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 10 19:12:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9ANCKFU011904 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:12:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9ANCH6I018767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:12:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AN9qL9073735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AN9mQ7069645; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:09:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51311.mail.yahoo.com (web51311.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9AN9jZl069522 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35254 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Oct 2006 23:09:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XdNROJHlhr7fmSAXcMAqUVouehiry6JQGlO3PiaL0lpXKLK49JA7uIhofQRgP9ve/BXm4xrpH706L8NAn3JLZ5rDTHLu9ax3qEwCwb+bNkHG6CBbmWexd6skX228+TTz8YnjEFCrPElaRsltNytrtIpGfkdC97hDuMeqYdDOXcs= ; Message-ID: <20061010230940.35252.qmail@web51311.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.183.31.113] by web51311.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:09:39 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452C28D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:12:20 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 790ecc1b-8aff-4a61-a2c0-3fecfcec669a Status: RO > >Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: >A friend sent me this website because he knows I > "like this stuff." > > http://www.oook.cz/events/hradec-kralove06/ > >> > >>Can anyone tell me what event I'm looking at? > >>--Ruth Anne Baumgartner I wonder why they are jousting on the wrong sides of the barrier. You're supposed to aim your spear at your oponent's shield, thereby ensuring he is aiming at yours, not your less protected side. I.e., pass to the right, with the lance crossing the horse's neck and couched against your shield. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 10 19:24:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9ANOch4012158 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:24:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9ANOZLU020481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:24:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9ANMbvf075484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:22:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9ANMVV0080014; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9ANMPTG079887 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F201A78A5 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:22:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <452C2B67.1070801@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:23:19 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS References: <00f301c6ecbf$8fea8d60$b300a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <00f301c6ecbf$8fea8d60$b300a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452C2BB3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:24:38 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 511ee9dc-03af-472f-8ead-3264f2695ef1 Status: RO E House wrote: > Drat. ... Here's hoping that > they or bbc america show it again sometime! (Oooh, look, Dr. Who!) > Yeah, I wish I had heard about it before it aired. I don't even channel flip anymore, there's so much bad TV out there. > -E House > PS--Ah ha! They're showing it again on the 15th. I think that's part two. Wish they would rerun part one sometime during the week. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 01:35:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9B5ZpXG020350 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:35:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9B5Zm93015987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:35:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9B5YIfW028000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9B5YD22068265; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:34:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9B5Y9Cj068216 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:34:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aG8AtgKOuA/EB1mdaHLmaCw2Lhq152yDbiOH0ySYoWXyq8faBUh8fRCbppgka6R0; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.3.237.163] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1GXWjJ-0001vB-JY for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:34:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <959A1426-353E-480A-9819-E091D1FEB37E@mindspring.com> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20061009114959.00bc2c00@pop8.sympatico.ca> <959A1426-353E-480A-9819-E091D1FEB37E@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:34:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d47812a3b82df2d80484603b6b3bfa7db7be3b7a48b1dc512365350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.237.163 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452C82B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 01:35:51 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 341b141b-86ed-4039-bb6b-c3ab2d0eb0bf Status: RO On Oct 10, 2006, at 1:46 PM, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > Hello the list! > A friend sent me this website because he knows I "like this stuff." > > http://www.oook.cz/events/hradec-kralove06/ > > Can anyone tell me what event I'm looking at? The following web site might give a good clue -- it looks like a civic pageant rather than a re-enactment club. (Hradec Kralove is the name of the town where your pictures were taken.) Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 07:13:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BBDm2a020277 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:13:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BBDjA1020779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:13:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BBCDKt071359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BBC6JY095446; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:12:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BBC0nU095260 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from stuckis (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061011111154m1100rstebe>; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:11:54 +0000 Message-ID: <01e401c6ed26$13b5f5b0$9810cf47@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00f301c6ecbf$8fea8d60$b300a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:12:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452CD1E9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 07:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS > Drat. As I was flipping though the tv guide, I saw this, and almost > decided to watch it, but found something else. I assumed it would be... > something entirely different from what it apparently was. Honestly and no > offense intended, a lot of the costume flicks that my fellow costumiers > like just plain bore the crap out of me. Here's hoping that they or bbc > america show it again sometime! (Oooh, look, Dr. Who!) obligatory cheer...Yay Dr Who! Now if I could just remember to watch it before the DVR wipes it automatically.... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 08:04:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BC4ITf020778 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:04:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BC4FEQ024617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:04:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BC2kQb082906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:02:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BC2iDW037205; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:02:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9B53Ofs041771 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 21011 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2006 05:03:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MJpcHjOYM1ZpTYFFqPe718LqzoZpClU6ZHw1LUBH679fOlnNayufskQ5eU0G15I7m7wyNn7MoMNjPApJPocPYJzf75lJpm5HxVBcvR1dzKdwFvhQp/luY8t21w8ENtd8FGWsrhNI3e7JTHf4C7IH88/DNksv1djL7EYq/cc43qg= ; Message-ID: <20061011050319.21009.qmail@web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.252.38.117] by web81414.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:03:19 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <959A1426-353E-480A-9819-E091D1FEB37E@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452CDDBF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I sent the link to a Hungarian friend - this is what I just got back: I do not speak fluent czech, but it is about Slav kings - I guess, a medieval fair of enacment some sort in Slovaquia or the Czech Republic. Nice pictures though. --- Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > Hello the list! > A friend sent me this website because he knows I > "like this stuff." > > http://www.oook.cz/events/hradec-kralove06/ > > Can anyone tell me what event I'm looking at? > Pretty colors, eh? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Dawn Luckham wrote: > > > Hi Saragrace, > > > > Sadly, I'm unable to see your link :( and I'm > finding the h-cost > > posting system almost impossible to use. It keeps > bouncing my > > message! This is the last try. > > > > I've been collecting images of under-gowns and > bodiced petticoats > > just as recently as yesterday. I hope this will > help you out. > > > > http > > ://tinyurl.com/f8fm3 > > > > The first two images in the file are from the > Manchester > > Galleries. Both are cotton, I believe. Perhaps > your curator is > > thinking of something like the sleeved Manchester > galleries > > garment, which almost looks like an under-gown to > me. If she wants > > China silk (habitoi - it comes in different > weights0 you may want > > two undergarments - a cotton slip something like > the version with > > the under-flaps and simple front placket (you > could also do a back > > closure) plus the silk undergown. > > > > Dawn > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 10:48:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BEmWme022748 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:48:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BEmTq9003025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:48:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BEk57n013450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:46:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BEjl0g093133; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BEjdcN092995 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:45:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from camelothorse@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kJTexvRVoTfVzpE0TG8WH9f2BJ7KTyGut4s/pnkwbVY728//fxIq1xrd7drEY2A1; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:Organization:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.231.148.68] (helo=camelot01) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GXfL0-00006W-JV for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:45:39 -0400 From: "Diane Maynard" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Event query Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:45:36 -0500 Organization: Camelot Horse Center Message-ID: <006101c6ed43$ea90d5b0$0d91e704@camelot01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <20061010230940.35252.qmail@web51311.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcbswVB/UPUPY1M8R96YJ037Svv0NgAgfxlQ X-ELNK-Trace: 7d3e56efc2551607917237dadff7bf594d2b10475b57112064bec257726238c0e4f68912c1f8cb2d548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.231.148.68 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452D043D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:48:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0d69cb62-b4ae-47e3-91cc-8346ff968902 Status: RO If you check closely, they are going to their post and saluting their opponent when they are on the wrong side. There are only one or two pictures when they are actually jousting and, they are on the correct side at that time. Interesting pictures. Diane -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ann Catelli Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:10 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query > >Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: >A friend sent me this website because he knows I > "like this stuff." > > http://www.oook.cz/events/hradec-kralove06/ > >> > >>Can anyone tell me what event I'm looking at? > >>--Ruth Anne Baumgartner I wonder why they are jousting on the wrong sides of the barrier. You're supposed to aim your spear at your oponent's shield, thereby ensuring he is aiming at yours, not your less protected side. I.e., pass to the right, with the lance crossing the horse's neck and couched against your shield. Ann in CT __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 12:45:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGj07w024667 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:45:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BGitlh026597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:45:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGfII1031852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:41:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGf4nl017401; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:41:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGenYM016982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:19756 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GXh8S-0005Iz-Io for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:40:49 -0500 Message-ID: <016b01c6ed53$ff5b9ba0$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00f301c6ecbf$8fea8d60$b300a8c0@compaqub> <452C2B67.1070801@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS, rambling OTwards Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:40:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452D1F87.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:45:00 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 85dfaa4b-c952-4a3b-9f80-476d6efb8052 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > Yeah, I wish I had heard about it before it aired. I don't even channel > flip anymore, there's so much bad TV out there. Ugh yeah, no kidding. Though I have managed to find 3 tv shows that I like, which is quite an improvement from the previous none. > I think that's part two. Wish they would rerun part one sometime during > the week. Grumph. Oh well, it's better than nothing! At least I know to keep an eye out for it now. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 13:00:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BH0LFU025075 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:00:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BH0IBL019043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:00:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGx0r5034826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:59:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGwWS8036438; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:58:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGwG8K035998 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA92A79F5 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:57:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <452D2298.4040504@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:58:00 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452D2322.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:00:22 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: acf01154-df6a-46f1-a6c3-9938d7efc5e7 Status: RO First, I can't read a word of this site. www.nb.no/.../html/italienske_tresnitt.html But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. Check out the pics near the end of women with pipes in their mouths and spinning in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's a stick with fire coming out of it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 13:01:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BH1JVT025106 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:01:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BH1FgZ025170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:01:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGxJ2B034871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:59:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGwd7I036627; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:58:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BGwW6K036446 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:58:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.138.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.138]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GXhPX-0006wg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:58:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <016b01c6ed53$ff5b9ba0$b300a8c0@compaqub> References: <00f301c6ecbf$8fea8d60$b300a8c0@compaqub> <452C2B67.1070801@reddawn.net> <016b01c6ed53$ff5b9ba0$b300a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS, rambling OTwards Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:58:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452D235C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:01:19 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 1098bcba-ec95-4d3d-be05-32ac800d1699 Status: RO On Oct 11, 2006, at 12:40 PM, E House wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" > >> Yeah, I wish I had heard about it before it aired. I don't even >> channel flip anymore, there's so much bad TV out there. > > Ugh yeah, no kidding. Though I have managed to find 3 tv shows that > I like, which is quite an improvement from the previous none. > >> I think that's part two. Wish they would rerun part one sometime >> during the week. > > Grumph. Oh well, it's better than nothing! At least I know to > keep an eye out for it now. > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 13:16:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHG2x8025418 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:16:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BHFul9000942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:16:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHDY2e037448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHCsba052130; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHCeIO051796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GXhdE-0006mS-WB; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:12:37 -0500 Received: from 160.36.155.117 ([160.36.155.117]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:12:36 -0400 Message-ID: <20061011131236.2w023sqq204ggsgo@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:12:36 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:16:03 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 24bd77eb-266e-42bc-97e8-0f177571b47e Status: RO Quoting Dawn : > First, I can't read a word of this site. > > www.nb.no/.../html/italienske_tresnitt.html > > > But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. Check > out the pics near the end of women with pipes in their mouths and > spinning in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's a stick with fire > coming out of it. > Dawn, that URL doesn't seem to sork for me. It redirects to this http://www.nb.no/.../html/index.php which has no images on it. Were you by any chance "caught in a frame?" susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 13:19:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHJlKi025476 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:19:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BHJi26004739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:19:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHH1CT037935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:17:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHGf90056245; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHGVsl055988 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD410A79F5 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:16:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <452D26ED.1080507@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:16:29 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:19:47 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3490bcb6-c9fd-441f-824f-d1989c9de6e3 Status: RO Dawn wrote: > But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. Check out > the pics near the end of women with pipes in their mouths and spinning > in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's a stick with fire coming > out of it. Let me try that again. It mangled the link. http://www.nb.no/nbvev/eksternvev/html/italienske_tresnitt.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 13:28:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHS4h6025644 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:28:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BHS1Pn031179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:28:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHPVkv039225 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:25:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHPPoH065928; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:25:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BHPGbp065651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:25:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1GXhpP-0003yg-SF; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:25:11 -0500 Received: from 160.36.155.117 ([160.36.155.117]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:25:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20061011132511.cg13ittilzscwc80@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:25:11 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:28:04 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 12c4d162-c5e3-4bbf-b460-6ea3389d85a1 Status: RO Quoting Dawn : > Dawn wrote: > >> But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. >> Check out the pics near the end of women with pipes in their mouths >> and spinning in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's a stick >> with fire coming out of it. > > Let me try that again. It mangled the link. > > http://www.nb.no/nbvev/eksternvev/html/italienske_tresnitt.html > *NEAT* Those are just too cool. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 15:07:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJ7lbV027435 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:07:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BJ7ist001904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJ5Fcd056581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJ57xb075626; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:05:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJ51a0075462 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:05:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (failure[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061011190454m1100ruso8e>; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:04:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <006101c6ed43$ea90d5b0$0d91e704@camelot01> References: <006101c6ed43$ea90d5b0$0d91e704@camelot01> Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:08:47 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452D4100.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:07:47 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 98497b2e-bb52-473d-81f6-5f517b95d486 Status: RO Fun with Google reveals that > Hradec Kralove is called City of Bohemia Queens. > > The city is among the oldest Bohemian towns - historical sources > date it back to 1225. In the Middle Ages it was a dowry town of > Czech Queens. In the same time was built Cathedral of the Holy Spirit. > > Hradec Kralove was transformed into an extensive military fort in > the Rococo. After its demolition of the fortifications, the town > received a new modernistic outlook. Many remarkable architects > participated in the design, for example Jan Kotera and Josef Gocar. > > Hradec Kralove is the political, economic and cultural centre of > the region today. "Kralovsky Eilsky" appears to be the name of the 14th-century part of the city, and "slavnosti" is "celebration." So as a wild guess I'm going to say it's the celebration of the old city. But it is just a Google-search with some logic applied. Your mileage may vary. Lauren On Oct 11, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Diane Maynard wrote: > If you check closely, they are going to their post and saluting their > opponent when they are on the wrong side. There are only one or two > pictures when they are actually jousting and, they are on the > correct side > at that time. Interesting pictures. > > Diane > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Ann Catelli > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:10 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query > > >>> Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > >> A friend sent me this website because he knows I >> "like this stuff." >> >> http://www.oook.cz/events/hradec-kralove06/ >>>> >>>> Can anyone tell me what event I'm looking at? > >>>> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > I wonder why they are jousting on the wrong sides of > the barrier. > > You're supposed to aim your spear at your oponent's > shield, thereby ensuring he is aiming at yours, not > your less protected side. > > I.e., pass to the right, with the lance crossing the > horse's neck and couched against your shield. > > Ann in CT > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 15:27:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJRcT5027725 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:27:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BJRZ9v018079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:27:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJPcSI059812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJPXtV097351; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJPL7d097156 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:25:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C14E38B6A for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:25:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <452D26ED.1080507@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452D45A7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:27:38 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 20023b3f-8732-45b5-b962-2cef4fe8514f Status: RO What I can glean is that these are from the Cesare Vecellio book "Degli habiti antichi, et moderni diversi parti del Mondo libri due. The second picture is Russian (a man from Bjarmeland (northern Russia?)) The next two are of Lappland (the one after appears to be Lappland but could be Norwegian) The first I am not sure, I think Netherlands, could be Northern France. I think the language is Norwegian. De -----Original Message----- Dawn wrote: > But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. Check out > the pics near the end of women with pipes in their mouths and spinning > in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's a stick with fire coming > out of it. Let me try that again. It mangled the link. http://www.nb.no/nbvev/eksternvev/html/italienske_tresnitt.html Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 15:51:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJp7IO028072 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:51:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BJp3XR003072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:51:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJmpvi063969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:48:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJmm5E024239; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:48:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.98]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BJmfpl024024 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:48:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eva.andersson@comhem.se) Received: from dator1 (83.248.106.114) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.076) id 452B8D610006B53F for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:48:35 +0200 From: "Eva Andersson" To: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:05:31 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c6ed70$9b6d7600$726af853@dator1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200610111801.k9BI0auu005483@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:16th century costume pictures ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452D4B28.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:51:08 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0376c0a3-f5f2-4c50-b174-318337d63f14 Status: RO The text says that it's from Vecellio's costume book and shows (his conception of) clothing in the Nordic areas. Vecellio's is one of the famous costume books and the whole book can probably be found online; it is, however, probably not very reliable when it comes to clothing in the Nordic countries. The images are often copies of earlier books, like Hans Weigel's "Trachtenbuch" and both Weigel and Vecellio probably based their drawings of clothing from these "exotic" places on a mixture of hearsay and invention. /Eva _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 16:38:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BKc2SP028634 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:38:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BKbxxF014831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:38:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BKZIiF071281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:35:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BKYCom073227; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:34:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from liberty3.libertyactivist.org (mail.libertyactivist.org [72.54.7.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BKXhW8072471 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from raelee@rachelsampsel.com) Received: from localhost (liberty3 [127.0.0.1]) by liberty3.libertyactivist.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C134F62A7E for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:33:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from liberty3.libertyactivist.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (liberty3 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23909-02 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: by liberty3.libertyactivist.org (Postfix, from userid 48) id 5F11862A38; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 199.31.3.196 (SquirrelMail authenticated user raelee) by www.libertyactivist.org with HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:33:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <38868.199.31.3.196.1160598801.squirrel@www.libertyactivist.org> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:33:21 -0600 (MDT) From: "Rachel Sampsel" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at libertyactivist.org X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] 16th century pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452D5627.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:38:03 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4ecf0c46-1cd6-4523-97d0-121f3d1eaef3 Status: RO http://www.nb.no/nbvev/eksternvev/html/italienske_tresnitt.html It's the National Library of Norway. The manuscript in question is written in Italian, while the site and possibly the translation of the MS is written in Norwegian. I can't get that particular branch of the library site to come up in English, but I can get the main page and the MS searh pages to come up in English. After that, I have no idea how to get to the "smoking lady" from there. I can do a screen capture and paste the picture into a word document and then pull the words off the page and then feed them into babelfish for an italian to English translation, but I don't know that it would work. Patches _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 16:41:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BKf2Wr028658 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:41:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BKexhn006408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:41:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BKdwkC071965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BKcc01077670; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BKc0v4076843 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:38:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.205.110]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J6Z000ISNWOZRN9@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:37:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:36:20 -0400 From: "HELEN PINTO" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <026d01c6ed74$efa9f500$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <452D2298.4040504@reddawn.net> <452D26ED.1080507@reddawn.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452D56DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:41:02 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7c2f9dee-bdec-4608-a3f8-a361118fea60 Status: RO The color plates are from Vecellio's costume book, but the site and text are Norweigian. The picture in question of the spinning woman has the text attached in Italian and Latin, with a Norweigian translation on the side. I have some Italian and Latin, almost no Norweigian, but here's a sense of the text: Northern Women- In the north, where it's night for two or three months, in order to provide light, women of a middle station carry bundles of wood in their belts to burn like candles. They wear long dresses of heavy cloth and carry a bag for the linen they are spinning, and carry a lit stick in their mouths to light their way when they go spinning on the road. I missed a few words, but it's definitely not a pipe. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 17:20:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLKpfi029178 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:20:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BLKm76004855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:20:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLITCM077988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:18:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLHbYb019544; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:17:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLHMuW019184 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:17:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.138.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.138]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GXlS3-0006Ms-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:17:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) In-Reply-To: References: <006101c6ed43$ea90d5b0$0d91e704@camelot01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:16:54 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452D6030.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:20:51 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 5571efa2-4369-4171-bdb5-0690a2ea2e8d Status: RO Thank you everybody--this is so interesting! If you go to the bottom of the page and click on the right-hand link, you come to a site that might be the photographer's. Among the various choices on that page is a set of photos, also gorgeous, of what might be more of the same festival or might be a RenFest (a man in a feathered tricorn and Bjarne-style coat looms large in some of the pix). The VELVET on the women is like fine wine.... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 11, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Lauren Walker wrote: > Fun with Google reveals that >> Hradec Kralove is called City of Bohemia Queens. >> >> The city is among the oldest Bohemian towns - historical sources >> date it back to 1225. In the Middle Ages it was a dowry town of >> Czech Queens. In the same time was built Cathedral of the Holy >> Spirit. >> >> Hradec Kralove was transformed into an extensive military fort in >> the Rococo. After its demolition of the fortifications, the town >> received a new modernistic outlook. Many remarkable architects >> participated in the design, for example Jan Kotera and Josef Gocar. >> >> Hradec Kralove is the political, economic and cultural centre of >> the region today. > > "Kralovsky Eilsky" appears to be the name of the 14th-century part > of the city, and "slavnosti" is "celebration." So as a wild guess > I'm going to say it's the celebration of the old city. > But it is just a Google-search with some logic applied. Your > mileage may vary. > Lauren > On Oct 11, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Diane Maynard wrote: > >> If you check closely, they are going to their post and saluting their >> opponent when they are on the wrong side. There are only one or two >> pictures when they are actually jousting and, they are on the >> correct side >> at that time. Interesting pictures. >> >> Diane >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- >> bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of Ann Catelli >> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:10 PM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query >> >> >>>> Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: >> >>> A friend sent me this website because he knows I >>> "like this stuff." >>> >>> http://www.oook.cz/events/hradec-kralove06/ >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone tell me what event I'm looking at? >> >>>>> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> >> I wonder why they are jousting on the wrong sides of >> the barrier. >> >> You're supposed to aim your spear at your oponent's >> shield, thereby ensuring he is aiming at yours, not >> your less protected side. >> >> I.e., pass to the right, with the lance crossing the >> horse's neck and couched against your shield. >> >> Ann in CT >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Lauren M. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:40:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3a5dabac-24a0-48a7-99e1-1a7c8a9b3a9c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9BLeVfY030288 Status: RO Those are from Vecellio's Costume Book. A reprint is generally available from Dover. He's better at the Italian stuff since he actually saw that and wasn't just getting second hand reports on it. It also has his idea of clothing from China and the Americas as well as most of Europe. Karen Seamstrix -- "Susan B. Farmer" wrote: Quoting Dawn : > Dawn wrote: > >> But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. >> Check out the pics near the end of women with pipes in their mouths >> and spinning in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's a stick >> with fire coming out of it. > > Let me try that again. It mangled the link. > > http://www.nb.no/nbvev/eksternvev/html/italienske_tresnitt.html > *NEAT* Those are just too cool. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 17:42:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLgvIu030309 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:42:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BLgsDZ030822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLd7F2081807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLd5P2042980; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:39:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from centrmmtao06.cox.net (centrmmtao06.cox.net [70.168.83.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BIUwRK040696 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061011183052.GSAF1780.centrmmtao06.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:30:52 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.179.207]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Z6Wc1V00J4UskY40000000 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:30:36 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:30:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000e01c6ed63$5f491c90$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <452D2298.4040504@reddawn.net> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452D655E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:42:57 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 8e1c1934-28de-4598-b854-0906a82187df Status: RO The site is in Norwegian, but the colored illustrations are in Italian. I'm not sure about the woodcuts other than to notice that the illustrations seem to copy them. Perhaps they were the original Norwegian, and some industrious Italian copied them into a book? My personal favorite is the loooong shoes! +Linda+ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? First, I can't read a word of this site. www.nb.no/.../html/italienske_tresnitt.html But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. Check out the pics near the end of women with pipes in their mouths and spinning in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's a stick with fire coming out of it. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 17:43:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLhLvj030317 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:43:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BLhHZi021371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:43:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLevL4082269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLVdDg035055; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.249]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9BFpNPh062416 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84518 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Oct 2006 15:48:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wirez3NarIT3c4rIzjl8O5odjrzqfu/TUoLYBlyCCAkg9cp83R97qzTQPEX3GB4OxEJLhFYpprohdpnp774mxqAR9Jzpu+J0aSM+Sg7dgnQZdJqhrjAlFvAsHkbWAGkPleARmCZXJL3jiKZvl+zivXguVrIo9DmvpwOGw66plo8= ; Message-ID: <20061011154842.84514.qmail@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [148.107.3.20] by web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:48:42 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9BFpNPh062416 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452D6575.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:43:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 361724ac-fcf7-4da4-8849-d2a7552f6405 Status: RO It was part 1 of 2. the conclusion will be this coming Sunday. ----- Original Message ---- From: Dianne & Greg Stucki To: Historical Costume Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 4:12:01 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Casanova on PBS > Drat. As I was flipping though the tv guide, I saw this, and almost > decided to watch it, but found something else. I assumed it would be... > something entirely different from what it apparently was. Honestly and no > offense intended, a lot of the costume flicks that my fellow costumiers > like just plain bore the crap out of me. Here's hoping that they or bbc > america show it again sometime! (Oooh, look, Dr. Who!) obligatory cheer...Yay Dr Who! Now if I could just remember to watch it before the DVR wipes it automatically.... Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 17:50:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLoLtp030385 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:50:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BLoHR3027369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:50:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLm2sa083493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLlsrH052656; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:47:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from centrmmtao01.cox.net (centrmmtao01.cox.net [70.168.83.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BLllcE052410 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llyonet@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061011214736.NNLI29614.centrmmtao01.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:47:36 -0400 Received: from Mischele ([72.205.218.167]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id Z9n41V00P3dHfaY0000000 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:47:04 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c6ed7e$de29a050$a7dacd48@Mischele> From: "Lyonet" To: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:47:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hanky hem X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452D6719.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:50:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7b5f9e9b-8ed4-4649-9c05-3260ef8dfff2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9BLoLtp030385 Status: RO I am wondering if this ?Norse piccie has anything to do with the elusive hankerchief hem that was talked about some weeks back. http://www.nb.no/nbvev/eksternvev/assets/images/Blad-299-300.jpg Interesting. Thanks for sharing Dawn. Lyonet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 18:58:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BMwRBq032389 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:58:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BMwOFT012140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:58:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BMv4m8096165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:57:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BMueR4022556; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BMuW9i022355 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.150] (pm5-150.eos.net [205.133.149.150]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9BMuSqe023145 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:56:29 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:40:21 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200610111800.k9BI0aus005483@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 16th century costume pictures ? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452D7710.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:58:28 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 458931b5-6c95-48e1-b8d8-a27271c2e972 Status: RO > > Let me try that again. It mangled the link. > > http://www.nb.no/nbvev/eksternvev/html/italienske_tresnitt.html > Doesn't Dover or someone publish a book of Vecellio's clothing drawings? The web site does say where these come from: Cesare Vecellio (ca. 1521-1601) ... Habiti antichi, et moderni de Diversi Parti del Mondo libri ... later known as ?? ("denne gang under navnet") Habiti antichi et moderni di tutto il Mondo Which I guess would translate to "Clothing antique and modern from diverse parts of the world" and "Ancient and modern clothing of the whole world." I don't know if that's the famous Vecellio or not. But these are great images!!! I have never seen any of them before. I like the lady in the fur outfit with tales hanging off it. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 19:13:21 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BNDKi3032551 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:13:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BNDI4k021660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:13:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BNBxDg099171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:11:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BNBlLw036755; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BNBi7F036680 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24741 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:53:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:53:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 16th century costume pictures ? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:13:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9b708ab2-859f-4ad1-ba81-547bce345e94 Status: RO On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > The web site does say where these come from: > > Cesare Vecellio (ca. 1521-1601) ... Habiti antichi, et moderni de Diversi > Parti del Mondo libri ... later known as ?? ("denne gang under navnet") > Habiti antichi et moderni di tutto il Mondo > > Which I guess would translate to "Clothing antique and modern from diverse > parts of the world" and "Ancient and modern clothing of the whole world." > > I don't know if that's the famous Vecellio or not. Yes, that's the famous Vecellio -- a landmark early costume book. Thus the accuracy of these drawings is only what you might expect from a 16th century Venetian operating on secondary accounts for anything beyond his personal knowledge. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 19:24:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BNOGmq032653 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:24:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9BNODna028719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:24:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BNMPVP001961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BNMM8U046230; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:22:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9BNMJH5046123 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:22:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD343C30D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:22:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <452D7CAC.7050709@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:22:20 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: 16th century costume pictures ? 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 20:38:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C0cIaL001950 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:38:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C0cFBt007144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:38:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C0Zif8016856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:35:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C0ZedS009069; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C0ZahU008998 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lilinah@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.243.116.86.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net ([4.243.116.86]) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GXoXq-0006kC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:35:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:35:15 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452D8E77.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:38:18 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9f418830-eb26-4f80-9d94-eaaac5635ffd Status: RO Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the 70s who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - sort of Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more sophisticated prom dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i think, 90s. But i'm drawing a blank on her name... Can anyone help? Thanks, Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 20:42:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C0gVsh002214 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:42:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C0gSKE019440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:42:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C0eLSa017559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C0eLxe013013; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C0eGS7012889 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bf8.6c115e2 (45781) for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WEBMAIL-MA04 (webmail-ma04.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.68]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v113.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM015-b2d5452d8ee6102; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:40:07 -0400 References: To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:40:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: chindora@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20458 Received: from 70.153.230.176 by WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.68) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:40:07 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8BBAE196AAFF7-FF4-1FF6@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.88.68 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452D8F74.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:42:31 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 562d1dda-bd7a-4cc4-ba8a-0c00b5fae718 Status: RO Are you thinking of Jessica McClintock? Not sure if that is the correct spelling. I still have my Gunne Sax dress that I wore in junior high and my daughter wore it in high school. I honestly think that dress was part of what inspired me to learn more about real historic clothing. :) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: lilinah@earthlink.net To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 8:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the 70s who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - sort of Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more sophisticated prom dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i think, 90s. But i'm drawing a blank on her name... Can anyone help? Thanks, Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 22:08:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C28gV2004037 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C28WDu001600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C27fQw033639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C27aQk090695; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C27XYs090584 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:07:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837EC3C30D for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:07:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <452DA367.3050404@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:07:35 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] reminder -- 2006 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452DA3A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:08:43 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 744eaed2-2e79-486f-8546-648d4f181c18 Status: RO Folks, I've already got 25 people signed up. If you'd like to play and you haven't sent me an email, please do so soon. The sign-up deadline is Friday. If you have sent me mail, don't worry, I will confirm with everyone over the weekend. Dawn Welcome to the 2006 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. **PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE CAREFULLY BEFORE RESPONDING*** Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at Dawn@reddawn.net. Be sure to add my email to your spam filter so that I can reply to you with your exchange information. Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does not end up in the spam-trap. If the phrase "H-COST" does not appear in your subject line I will not get your message. _What we're doing. _ We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read this entire message. The Sign-up Deadline is October 14. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.8th. We're starting earlier based on feedback from last year. Sometime after Oct 14 I will begin sending people their assignments. That's a crazy week for me, so don't panic if I'm a little late. :) _The Rules._ 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. We all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. 4. Please wrap your gift item. Last year many participants said they would like the gift to be a surprise, and will wait to open it. You do not have to use seasonal holiday paper, plain tissue or pretty fabric is just fine. 5. Plan to mail your gift early. Remember that it will cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. 6. After the sign-up period I will create a list of all participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. 7. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person they will send a gift to. I will try not to match you with the same person as last year. Someone else will send a gift to you. For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara will send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by giving and receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who is sending to you. _Join Now!_ 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period ends Oct 14. 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been suggested that you include your dress size. 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a favorite color or theme? 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, please let me know. I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please ask. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 22:40:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C2eOdL004702 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:40:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C2eJ4g006372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:40:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C2bbWV038308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:37:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C2bYkP013823; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:37:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C2bLcQ013627 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:37:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117A3A7A03 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:37:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <452DAA5A.5060309@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:37:14 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] burn test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452DAB13.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:40:25 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 48d96c62-ab53-4695-aaf6-6c141d485751 Status: RO I'm trying to figure out if this fabric I have is really silk. It doesn't *feel* like silk, so I burned a piece. It shrinks from the flame, the fibers get black tips. Then it burns slowly for a couple seconds then *whoosh* it goes. The flame goes out once the source is removed. There's a black, firm ash. Not powdery, but not a bead either. Kinda crunchy. Smells like smoke. Any ideas what I got? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 22:45:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C2jpP1004851 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:45:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C2jmqU025784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:45:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C2iaia039451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C2iYu1019162; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:44:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C2iT0C019070 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25087 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:26:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:26:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test In-Reply-To: <452DAA5A.5060309@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452DAC5C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:45:51 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 60852cfc-9a6b-40ff-a1b9-2c5547ccf40f Status: RO On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Dawn wrote: > I'm trying to figure out if this fabric I have is really silk. It > doesn't *feel* like silk, so I burned a piece. Pop a two-inch swatch into bleach for a few hours. Whatever dissolves is either wool or silk. What doesn't, is something else. You can then determine if you've got silk, a blend, etc. and narrow down from there. (E.g. if only the warp threads dissolve, take a bunch of weft threads and burn just those for a clearer test.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 23:02:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C32Bbj005166 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:02:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C328GF028286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:02:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C313i7042125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:01:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C30xLM031496; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C2lM7n021316 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Taniampembroke@aol.com) Received: from Taniampembroke@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.523.bf65b4b (60446) for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-D10 (fwm-d10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.160.202]) by ciaaol-d04.mail.aol.com (v112_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD043-ec1e452dacae2c2; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:47:10 -0400 References: <452DA367.3050404@reddawn.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] reminder -- 2006 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:47:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <452DA367.3050404@reddawn.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: taniampembroke@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20458 Received: from 65.10.225.83 by FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.160.202) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:47:11 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8BBBFD9BC97FF-D44-1BD5@FWM-D10.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.160.202 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452DB030.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:02:12 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9b5d717b-13b7-472b-a2c0-05524b560753 Status: RO Hi Dawn, My name is Tania Pembroke. I would love to participate in the gift exchange. I live in Coral Springs, Florida and have a husband named Jerry and three children of the furry variety. I am a Jazzercise Instructor by trade. I am interested in all periods, but so far have only worked with the Elizabethan period due to that being the only reenactment opportunities in this area. My mailing address is as follows. Tania Pembroke 9811 Westview Dr. #914 Coral Springs, Florida 33076 Thanks for putting this opportunity together. Tania Tania M. Pembroke Certified Jazzercise Class Owner/Instructor 954-547-2645 taniampembroke@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: dawn@reddawn.net To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:07 PM Subject: [h-cost] reminder -- 2006 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange Folks, I've already got 25 people signed up. If you'd like to play and you haven't sent me an email, please do so soon. The sign-up deadline is Friday. If you have sent me mail, don't worry, I will confirm with everyone over the weekend. Dawn Welcome to the 2006 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. **PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE CAREFULLY BEFORE RESPONDING*** Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at Dawn@reddawn.net. Be sure to add my email to your spam filter so that I can reply to you with your exchange information. Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does not end up in the spam-trap. If the phrase "H-COST" does not appear in your subject line I will not get your message. _What we're doing. _ We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read this entire message. The Sign-up Deadline is October 14. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.8th. We're starting earlier based on feedback from last year. Sometime after Oct 14 I will begin sending people their assignments. That's a crazy week for me, so don't panic if I'm a little late. :) _The Rules._ 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. We all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. 4. Please wrap your gift item. Last year many participants said they would like the gift to be a surprise, and will wait to open it. You do not have to use seasonal holiday paper, plain tissue or pretty fabric is just fine. 5. Plan to mail your gift early. Remember that it will cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. 6. After the sign-up period I will create a list of all participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. 7. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person they will send a gift to. I will try not to match you with the same person as last year. Someone else will send a gift to you. For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara will send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by giving and receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who is sending to you. _Join Now!_ 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply to me at dawn@reddawn.net and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period ends Oct 14. 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been suggested that you include your dress size. 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a favorite color or theme? 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, please let me know. I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please ask. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 23:16:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3GBaN005696 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:16:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C3G8fY011048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:16:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3FTs1044704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3FP9x042594; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4d.socket.net [216.106.88.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3FKvm042510 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:15:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EF7C236ACB for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:15:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] burn test Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <452DAA5A.5060309@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452DB378.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:16:11 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7f697046-4200-4aae-b5cc-669a833db682 Status: RO Ummm...I don't think chewing it is part of the test. :) -----Original Message----- Kinda crunchy. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 23:17:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3HZQf005738 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:17:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C3HWtb004535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:17:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C31cCu042245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:01:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C31aw4031948; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:01:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.213]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9C31X60031830 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:01:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 91763 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2006 03:01:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@71.142.202.231 with plain) by smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2006 03:01:24 -0000 Message-ID: <452DB001.5050502@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:01:21 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452DB3CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:17:35 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2867e8eb-b265-4da3-90d9-7ca87645f2e9 Status: RO gunny sax dresses fit that description and I made (and wore one - hey, it was the 80s - I deny any responsibility for my wardrobe) from a commercial pattern, probably Simplicity liz young lilinah@earthlink.net wrote: > Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the 70s > who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - sort of > Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more sophisticated prom > dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i think, 90s. But i'm drawing > a blank on her name... > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > Anahita > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 23:36:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3aqmB006126 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:36:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C3anuD009293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:36:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3ZsST048123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3Zqr6061428; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3ZkGi061237 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339D6A7A00 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:35:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <452DB815.4010701@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:35:49 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452DB851.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:36:53 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4b969553-ba75-4dbf-adf9-4b9a79bda7f9 Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Dawn wrote: > > >>I'm trying to figure out if this fabric I have is really silk. It >>doesn't *feel* like silk, so I burned a piece. > > > Pop a two-inch swatch into bleach for a few hours. Whatever dissolves is > either wool or silk. What doesn't, is something else. Thanks. It only took about 45 minutes for the ground fabric to dissolve, I think it is silk organza. The design woven into it seems to be rayon, though. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 11 23:52:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3qNLA006304 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:52:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C3qKGO031250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:52:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3o544049692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:50:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3o2nb071080; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C3nniY070812 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:49:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25238 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:32:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:32:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion In-Reply-To: <452DB001.5050502@fenris.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452DBBF4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:52:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c83b1b77-0b0a-44fe-afca-b2895d240dc0 Status: RO On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Elizabeth Young wrote: > gunny sax dresses fit that description and I made (and wore one - hey, > it was the 80s - I deny any responsibility for my wardrobe) from a > commercial pattern, probably Simplicity In one of my boxes I'm sure I still have the pattern *and* the calico fabric for one I never bothered to sew up. It would have been around 1982. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 00:16:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C4GX2q006697 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:16:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C4GU3T011667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:16:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C4FmXq053342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:15:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C4FfCL089313; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C4FaBe089246 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:15:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GXrym3aPr-0000tZ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:15:34 -0400 Message-ID: <00aa01c6edb5$0d62f390$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8C8BBAE196AAFF7-FF4-1FF6@WEBMAIL-MA04.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:15:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452DC19E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:16:34 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: fe97f7e3-4da3-4c66-8473-4c8beb4885fa Status: RO Here is a webpage with Jessica's history, http://www.jessicamcclintock.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/PageView?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&pageid=20&pageno=3 (Copy the entire URL) Here is a gunne sax dress from the 1970s: http://www.curbside-couture.com/images/t-z/vds-60.JPG Here is a whole bunch of dresses on eBay: http://clothing.search.ebay.com/gunne-sax_Dresses_W0QQfclZ3QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQsacatZ48869 I have a Jessica McClintock dress from her bridal collection. It could be a mother-of-the bride dress or bridesmaid. I think it is from the early 1990s. It looks very dainty sheer batiste with lace. It has a drop waist. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion > Are you thinking of Jessica McClintock? Not sure if that is the correct > spelling. I still have my Gunne Sax dress that I wore in junior high and > my daughter wore it in high school. I honestly think that dress was part > of what inspired me to learn more about real historic clothing. > > :) > ~Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: lilinah@earthlink.net > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 8:35 PM > Subject: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion > > Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the 70s > who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - sort of > Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more sophisticated prom > dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i think, 90s. But i'm drawing a > blank on her name... > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > Anahita > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:17:24 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 65044168-3c19-4796-b813-b56668953c5c Status: RO > Quoting Dawn : > >> Dawn wrote: >> >>> But it looks like 16th century Norse (?) drawings of clothing. >>> Check out the pics near the end of women with pipes in their >>> mouths and spinning in hand. At least, I think it's a pipe, it's >>> a stick with fire coming out of it. >> >> Let me try that again. It mangled the link. >> >> http://www.nb.no/nbvev/eksternvev/html/italienske_tresnitt.html >> It isn't a pipe -- it's a light source, probably something like a rush light, but held in the mouth rather than in a fixed holder. The page title is something like "16th c. Italian prints of Norsemen" -- the colored prints are all from Vecellio, apparently, and towards the bottom of the page there are some comparative examples from a book by Olaus Magnus, suggesting that it may have been Vecellio's source for some of the images. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 03:40:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C7e1jE003198 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:40:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C7dwha016491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:40:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C7ckmp081890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C7cg9h035709; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:38:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C7ccEC035575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:38:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:22789 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GXv9C-0006CI-Gu for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:38:33 -0500 Message-ID: <01ec01c6edd1$6a951220$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:38:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452DF14E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:10:34 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 26134a6b-3668-4128-aa55-0282be2233ea Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9C8AXFQ006355 Status: RO Just a reminder that The Costume Gallery's Halloween Contest ends Sat. morning, Oct. 14, at 12:01 AM, East Coast U.S. time. http://www.costumegallery.com/HalloweenContest/ The contest consists of a series of Challenges around The Gallery's websites. At this moment, there are 8 sets of challenges on the contest. They are fun and educational. Each contestant answers challenge questions and is awarded points. The top three people who earn the most points will win a costume of their choice (up to $170 each) or a 29-piece Ghoulish Party Pack (value $234) from www.spirithalloween.com . The prizes are being shipped next week. Two more challenges will be added, one Thursday and another Friday. No challenge question answers will be accepted after the time mentioned in the first paragraph. The winners will be announced Sunday evening, Oct. 15 on the Top Ten Contestants webpage. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 04:28:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C8Rioi010743 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:27:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C8Rfhq009344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:27:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C8QTYN089335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C8QLYO068216; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C8QAaQ068116 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.12169327; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:25:53 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id k9C8PrE20973.; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:25:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:25:52 +0100 Message-Id: <452E0A1702000014000C2977@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:25:43 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: !6th century costume pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452DFC7D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 04:27:45 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: ffebf7b3-e915-4d82-af87-561deab0fcce Status: RO I can understand a little Norwegian. It says that Vecellio was influenced by Olaus Magnus' "Historia de gentibus septentrionalibus" (History of the Northern peoples), published in Rome, 1555, and then goes on to compare his woodcuts and text with Vecellio's. The burning sticks are torches to enable people to work in the long winter nights, not smoking materials. A Google search on Olaus Magnus reveals that he was a Swede who became a high-ranking Catholic cleric in Rome, and was a noted geographer, so he did know whereof he spoke. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 05:42:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C9g9K2024564 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:42:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9C9g6wx027605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:42:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C9eoaw000759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C9emYu019189; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:40:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C9eiNH019153 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC24135202F8; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:34:28 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:40:47 -0700 Message-ID: <001201c6ede2$7f051870$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:42:10 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 45c0b1a7-9195-46af-9f52-4d046a267382 Status: RO Jessica McClintock? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of lilinah@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:35 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the 70s who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - sort of Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more sophisticated prom dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i think, 90s. But i'm drawing a blank on her name... Can anyone help? Thanks, Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 07:18:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CBIwdI009733 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:18:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9CBItaS021893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:18:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CBGSGN013859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:16:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CBGPAd090472; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9C5kV8u058997 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 23:46:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 87569 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Oct 2006 05:46:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ESymWi4Bon38pCvTjtFYtS2gAo2WnUtpJgXJ41I+domjCf6Yg8wHeP8PPxecQVmhPCkGR9Bq1S+BbORQWCqAKwMUqhAriTyY5G1tiwJQwriLVnTrudsAy9zcwumwV4ioA2In5746hqX1Cgsc1RHJc10HmCv8XRALdEyw25GdMCk= ; Message-ID: <20061012054626.87567.qmail@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.28.159.170] by web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:46:26 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:18:59 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2c3c89b5-5d74-4e86-905e-774faa89d84e Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9CBIwdI009733 Status: RO I can't be completely sure (because I can't read it), but I believe the coloured drawings are in fact later (1664?) re-drawings taken from Vecellio. I believe the original Vecellio images were woodcuts. Bella ----- Original Message ---- From: Heather Rose Jones To: Historical Costume Sent: Thursday, 12 October, 2006 2:46:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? It isn't a pipe -- it's a light source, probably something like a rush light, but held in the mouth rather than in a fixed holder. The page title is something like "16th c. Italian prints of Norsemen" -- the colored prints are all from Vecellio, apparently, and towards the bottom of the page there are some comparative examples from a book by Olaus Magnus, suggesting that it may have been Vecellio's source for some of the images. Heather ____________________________________________________ On Yahoo!7 Break a world record with Total Girl's World˘s Largest Slumber Party http://www.totalgirl.com.au/slumberparty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 07:20:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CBKfFv009767 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:20:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9CBKcbV002400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:20:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CBITxd014308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:18:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CBIPjt092491; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 05:18:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9C9gVhu020254 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 03:42:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC8F7D502E2; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:36:15 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:42:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001301c6ede2$bf5490e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <452DB001.5050502@fenris.net> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452E2506.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 07:20:41 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c0f9363f-aa76-4f4a-8b2b-9eba160037ba Status: RO I friend gave me all her old patterns and there're some of this style in the box. Cool. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Young Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion gunny sax dresses fit that description and I made (and wore one - hey, it was the 80s - I deny any responsibility for my wardrobe) from a commercial pattern, probably Simplicity liz young lilinah@earthlink.net wrote: > Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the 70s > who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - sort of > Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more sophisticated prom > dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i think, 90s. But i'm drawing > a blank on her name... > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > Anahita > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 10:06:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CE6kTX013399 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:06:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9CE6f3B004226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:06:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CE3X1s038065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CE3K5p024630; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CE3DHZ024442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id k9CE3pIw016350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:03:51 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id k9CE3piQ016347 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:03:51 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:03:51 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 10:06:46 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 645fedb3-f34b-42cc-8e17-9232ca5813c5 Status: RO On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Bella wrote: > I can't be completely sure (because I can't read it), but I believe > the coloured drawings are in fact later (1664?) re-drawings taken from > Vecellio. I believe the original Vecellio images were woodcuts. The text says that they are hand-coloured woodcuts from the end of the 16th century, originally part of a large work by Vecillio (tDegli habiti antichi, et moderni di diversi parti del Modo libri due). It says that there were three editions of the work, all printed in Venice, and dating to 1590, 1598 and 1664. They don't know whether these particular images are from the 1590 or the 1598 edition, but aparently it's one of those. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:36:13 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d4db71a3-b271-4566-b253-f914c3b2dfc0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9CHaD7i016290 Status: RO My apologies for continuing to post about our pattern clearance. For those of you not interested, hit DELETE now. I have 302 patterns left in stock, ranging from 17th to 20th centuries. I'd be willing to let the whole thing go all at once to someone for 50% discount, which means $3699.39CDN (approx. $3208.49US at today's rate of 1.1530). Shipping would be extra, exact amount it costs me. Ontario residents would incur 6%GST and 8%PST. All other Canadian residents 6%GST. I will accept Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, or if you're a Canadian resident an email transfer of funds. I will be pleased to provide an inventory list to anyone who is seriously interested. At this price, these patterns are well below wholesale cost. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 14:07:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CI7NVY016800 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:07:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9CI7Jw6014904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:07:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CI4Muc081391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CI49Gr080064; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CI44au079869 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4414C0AE for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:03:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <452E8399.6020501@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:04:09 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] National Geographic on shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452E8457.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:07:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: a9b6c1b5-473e-48bf-be4c-ea1bc2e7cf53 Status: RO The September 2006 issue has an annoying little article on shoes and sex, but it includes some pictures of interest. There is a man's shoe and a child's shoe from the 17th century, and a beaded moccasin from the late 1800's. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 19:14:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CNEmIM021592 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:14:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9CNEjT2016578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:14:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CNBTNI029582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:11:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CNBOK1090791; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:11:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9CKfOYr043059 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lilinah@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.243.215.137.dial1.sanfrancisco1.level3.net ([4.243.215.137]) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GY7Ml-0007C9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:41:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 13:40:55 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: lilinah@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452ECC65.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:14:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 766d9d17-32ba-4002-b784-49f060b7ea8f Status: RO I was indeed trying to remember Jessica McClintock and her Gunne Sax line of clothing. (i checked the spelling for both the designer and the company - amazing what a difference capitalizing in the proper places can make on Google) Thanks to all who answered my question. Memory Restored, Anahita _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 21:01:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D11A5p022864 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:01:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9D115tu019067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:01:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D0xK2a048123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D0xGKo076363; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9D0xCau076202 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 18:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: (qmail 61327 invoked from network); 13 Oct 2006 00:59:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@70.133.69.70 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Oct 2006 00:59:05 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2ED3D11A-5DE2-4F21-BBB1-B856B502D97D@margospatterns.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 17:57:28 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452EE551.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:01:11 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 05ef578b-5f29-4ff8-91a1-a75776705e8f Status: RO The Jessica McClintock line was the high status symbol when I was in high school. (Class of '75) They were fairly expensive, ranging from $70 -150 when most junior styles were half that. There were both casual day styles and evening/prom/bridal versions, but only the really rich girls wore them for school. I only had one, because the largest they came was size 15, and those were really hard to find. Mine was a street length navy calico with pale blue satin ribbon trim, that was uncomfortably tight, but I was thrilled to fit into it. In the 80's I used to go to the JM outlet store in San Francisco to buy fabric and lace--great deals! Are they still there? Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 21:59:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D1xMrh023485 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:59:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9D1xJsv017143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:59:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D1w3QG056960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:58:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D1w07D023992; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D1vt0Q023908 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.173] (pm5-173.eos.net [205.133.149.173]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9D1vmqe008593 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:57:51 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:41:29 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200610121802.k9CI1YMo077164@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 671 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452EF2F7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:59:22 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: fb892058-0dbd-48de-a793-93cb08da2c33 Status: RO on 10/12/06 2:02 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > h-costume-request@mail.indra.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > h-costume-owner@mail.indra.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of h-costume digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: !6th century costume pictures (Kate M Bunting) > 2. RE: 1970s American Fashion (Sharon at Collierfam.com) > 3. RE: 1970s American Fashion (Sharon at Collierfam.com) > 4. Re: 16th century costume pictures ? (Ingrid G. Storr?) > 5. Final pattern clearance (Five Rivers Chapmanry) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 09:25:43 +0100 > From: "Kate M Bunting" > Subject: [h-cost] Re: !6th century costume pictures > To: > Message-ID: > <452E0A1702000014000C2977@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > I can understand a little Norwegian. It says that Vecellio was > influenced by Olaus Magnus' "Historia de gentibus septentrionalibus" > (History of the Northern peoples), published in Rome, 1555, and then > goes on to compare his woodcuts and text with Vecellio's. The burning > sticks are torches to enable people to work in the long winter nights, > not smoking materials. > A Google search on Olaus Magnus reveals that he was a Swede who became > a high-ranking Catholic cleric in Rome, and was a noted geographer, so > he did know whereof he spoke. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:40:47 -0700 > From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <001201c6ede2$7f051870$0200a8c0@bob3pc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Jessica McClintock? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of lilinah@earthlink.net > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:35 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion > > > Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the > 70s who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - > sort of Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more > sophisticated prom dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i > think, 90s. But i'm drawing a blank on her name... > > Can anyone help? > > Thanks, > Anahita > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 02:42:35 -0700 > From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" > Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: <001301c6ede2$bf5490e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I friend gave me all her old patterns and there're some of this style in the > box. Cool. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Elizabeth Young > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:01 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1970s American Fashion > > > gunny sax dresses fit that description and I made (and wore one - hey, > it was the 80s - I deny any responsibility for my wardrobe) from a > commercial pattern, probably Simplicity > > liz young > > lilinah@earthlink.net wrote: >> Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the 70s >> who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - sort of >> Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more sophisticated prom >> dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i think, 90s. But i'm drawing >> a blank on her name... >> >> Can anyone help? >> >> Thanks, >> Anahita >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:03:51 +0200 (CEST) > From: Ingrid G. Storr? > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century costume pictures ? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Bella wrote: >> I can't be completely sure (because I can't read it), but I believe >> the coloured drawings are in fact later (1664?) re-drawings taken from >> Vecellio. I believe the original Vecellio images were woodcuts. > > The text says that they are hand-coloured woodcuts from the end of the > 16th century, originally part of a large work by Vecillio (tDegli > habiti antichi, et moderni di diversi parti del Modo libri due). It says > that there were three editions of the work, all printed in Venice, and > dating to 1590, 1598 and 1664. They don't know whether these particular > images are from the 1590 or the 1598 edition, but aparently it's one of > those. > > Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 12 22:00:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D20Irg023505 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:00:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9D20FoT017780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:00:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D1x0Mv057038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:59:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D1x0jZ024715; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:59:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D1wudH024660 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 19:58:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.173] (pm5-173.eos.net [205.133.149.173]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9D1wtqe008758 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:58:55 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 21:42:37 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200610121802.k9CI1YMo077164@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: clothing designer X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452EF32F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:00:19 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 147cbf2f-7cad-4d64-ba89-f219b92e372c Status: RO > Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the > 70s who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - > sort of Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more > sophisticated prom dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i > think, 90s. But i'm drawing a blank on her name... > Jessica McClintock? Still has a line available in stores. Same look, but satiny instead of cottony. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 00:23:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D4NIa5025201 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:23:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9D4NFV0027901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:23:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D4LC9e075869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D4L6He024661; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:21:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9D4L10x024597 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 22:21:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 30190389EE for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:21:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: clothing designer Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:21:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452F14B3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:23:19 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 8260f382-0be0-467c-81d7-fe439b0cc611 Status: RO Jessica McClintock/Gunne Sax ex: http://www.curbside-couture.com/gunne_sax.htm http://www.tias.com/6564/InventoryPage/1375772/1.html http://www.vintage70sclothing.com/Dresses/gunne1.htm Used to own a burgundy calico prairie formal, $50 on sale. De -----Original Message----- > Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the > 70s who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - > sort of Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more > sophisticated prom dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i > think, 90s. But i'm drawing a blank on her name... > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 08:40:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DCenlb008067 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:40:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DCekJt005685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:40:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DCbrS6045282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DCbmVW076935; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:37:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DCbhFw076826 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:37:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c88.10a457 (49392) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d08.mail.aol.com (v113.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD082-c0f0452f888b299; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:37:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: clothing designer Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:37:28 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 452F894E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:40:50 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e771c469-4a7e-4c73-a083-f9cff9482b15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9DCenlb008067 Status: RO My wedding dress was one of these. Muslin with natural lace. Ankle length. Nothing fancy. We are still married after 31 years. (No- the dress no longer fits!) My not yet Sister-in-Law was my Maid of honor. She had a muslin with velvet front dress of a similar style. I think SHE still fits in her dress, though! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Oct 13, 2006, at 12:21 AM, otsisto wrote: > Jessica McClintock/Gunne Sax > > ex: > http://www.curbside-couture.com/gunne_sax.htm > http://www.tias.com/6564/InventoryPage/1375772/1.html > http://www.vintage70sclothing.com/Dresses/gunne1.htm > > Used to own a burgundy calico prairie formal, $50 on sale. > De > > -----Original Message----- >> Aarrgh. There was a female clothing designer in San Francisco in the >> 70s who made off-the-rack dresses in that "olde fashioned" look - >> sort of Victorian, sort of "peasanty". She later made more >> sophisticated prom dresses and wedding dresses inthe 80s and, i >> think, 90s. But i'm drawing a blank on her name... >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 14:40:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DIe50g022120 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:40:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DIe2Il011499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:40:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DIbFEI004780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DIVJTX075452; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:32:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DINsDC065262 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:24:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pyrfectpup@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.232.213.141.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.213.141] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GYRgk-0003l7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:23:19 -0400 Message-ID: <452FD988.2030009@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:23:04 -0700 From: pyrfectpup User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] parasol frame X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452FDD82.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:40:06 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 8380db2e-1070-4621-925e-c783152c7512 Status: RO I have an idea for making a parasol using a crochet pattern as the base. However, I've not been able to find a source for just the frames of parasols. Any suggestions? - Cecilia, in sunny California (usually) with a new need to avoid overexposure to the sun pyrfectpup@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 16:25:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DKPWPA025613 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:25:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DKPToi023210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:25:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DKNOKV025930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DKMhLW051010; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DKMJ8S050504 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1GYTXq3x4X-0000sh; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:22:16 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c6ef05$3fac01b0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <452FD988.2030009@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasol frame Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:22:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 452FF639.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:25:33 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: f4f7f8ae-101b-4651-92c3-8d1d0f908152 Status: RO Cecelia, I buy old parasols off ebay in poor condition. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 16:40:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DKed1D026019 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:40:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DKeagq021080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:40:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DKb77p028630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DKabj5073664; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:36:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DKZwSt072509 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pyrfectpup@earthlink.net) Received: from dialup-4.232.213.141.dial1.losangeles1.level3.net ([4.232.213.141] helo=earthlink.net) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GYTkn-000268-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:35:39 -0400 Message-ID: <452FF88A.4020903@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:35:22 -0700 From: pyrfectpup User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] parasol frame References: <452FD988.2030009@earthlink.net> <001001c6ef05$3fac01b0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <001001c6ef05$3fac01b0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 452FF9C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:40:39 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0d0c4b14-6e0e-440e-beed-efea37023b13 Status: RO Penny Ladnier wrote: > Cecelia, > > I buy old parasols off ebay in poor condition. thanks - any tips on what to look for before buying and / or refinishing? - also will old umbrella frames work? if so, again how to fix them - since most umbrellas have earned the "not usable" category because the framing doesn't work. - Cecilia > > > Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 17:27:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DLRscb027560 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:27:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DLRoL6012087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DLPdaf037997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:25:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DLPOXQ055738; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:25:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DLP94N055423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:25:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 63F98849DF; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B7384992 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:25:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:25:40 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c6ef0e$2386b850$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - +size swimwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453004D6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:27:54 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 691ff943-34a6-4a6c-b0d7-c23b3c18a2a9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9DLRscb027560 Status: RO I know I'm not the only Rubenesque woman here, so I'm wondering, where do you ladies purchase your plus-size swimwear? I swim 3x/week, and my two swimsuits are in very serious need of replacement. Of course it's October. There's no swimwear to be found, and the major stores for plus sizes (for me Pennington's in Ontario, Canada) don't bring in their cruise-wear until late November, and I'm living in fear that I may be caught flashing before then. I've checked some places online, but I'm loathe to commit the very serious dollars before knowing anything about these places. Anyone have an information? I'm looking, btw, for a size 26 or 28 swimdress. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 17:44:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DLiDf2028046 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:44:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DLiAWe025447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:44:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DLgk3K041091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DLgflb083454; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:42:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DLgYiw083296 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:42:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Oi94cy66FYLjfA63oF1dzao5Aomc5gJBWmzwY2xszSLV2tqwtgr5FRBMSHVNSRup; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.125.119] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GYUnZ-000221-4u for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:42:34 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c6ef10$82afeac0$0300a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c6ef0e$2386b850$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - +size swimwear Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:42:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48fb42f8411fd8f22c11ed7f98eb8682db667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.125.119 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453008AA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:44:14 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d487df89-5058-460c-a8f7-b1c223993d69 Status: RO Here's a couple of links. I've bought from Junonia before and their quality is good. http://www.junonia.com/subDepartment-5-Swimwear.htm http://www.eddiebauer.com/eb/cat_default_rollover.asp?nv=3|21473|1159|1252&tid=&c=&referringurl=http%3A//www.eddiebauer.com/eb/cat_default_rollover.asp%3Fnv%3D3%7C21473%7C1159%26tid%3D%26c%3D Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 18:30:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DMU7CZ029542 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:30:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DMU4Tg020247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DMSNsW048997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DMSH8a083174; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:28:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DMSEHJ083051 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:28:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id l1so428769nzf for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:28:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=kXt+TxQfzz7qpdG3b3cY2XxmU8pw9/dq7lh7v5YIEIp3jkzBujVopPeihsJM3XxuXZ63msoka3KHlj5/0OlORJj41bPNciZGzt8RXJhzee4IReJ1/+XymQQ7H0MG+IxQHmTZRw58US73smG6kj3puxIbJdIpnsVXMh+Be/s4OZI= Received: by 10.65.119.14 with SMTP id w14mr5819392qbm; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4audrey ( [74.56.121.126]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q15sm5117329qbq.2006.10.13.15.21.29; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000301c6ef15$f1178540$0202a8c0@p4audrey> From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:21:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] Terminology of pleats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4530136C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:30:08 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 06a79ecc-75e8-4a0e-ac3d-0ffc9e0582bd Status: RO Hi all, Are cartridge pleats and organ pleats the same thing? That's what Janet Arnold says in PoF, and I'm inclined to believe her. Actually, I'm looking for the French term: I found "plis canon(s)" and "plis en tuyaux d'orgue" (though I'm wondering if that isn't a direct translation from English). I still haven't found a good source for this, they're absent from every specialized lexicon I've looked at so far. Seems my sources are too recent, I can only find box pleats, knife pleats and the likes! No "open" pleats. Thanks for any help! Audrey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 19:35:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNZWJI031786 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:35:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DNZTNl028450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:35:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNY3VM059646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:34:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNXsTD058669; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DJUiVv069011 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A7E64304FA; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:24:22 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] parasol frame Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 12:30:47 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c6eefe$1550f990$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <452FD988.2030009@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Also, www.lacis.com might have them. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of pyrfectpup Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:23 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] parasol frame I have an idea for making a parasol using a crochet pattern as the base. However, I've not been able to find a source for just the frames of parasols. Any suggestions? - Cecilia, in sunny California (usually) with a new need to avoid overexposure to the sun pyrfectpup@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 19:38:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNbwRV031855 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:37:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DNbtgC002804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:37:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNadNS060131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:36:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNaZ8J065095; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DMjIib024703 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:45:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GYVmG3GY0-0000oD; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:45:18 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01c6ef19$3e97e280$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c6ef0e$2386b850$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - +size swimwear Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:45:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45302353.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:37:58 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c74ce174-3940-4782-bbb7-bada4a15244a Status: RO Lorina, You might want to find some swimwear store in Florida. It is snowbird season, so they might have a good selection. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 19:54:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNsN9x032306 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:54:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9DNsKGl005185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:54:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNrL8t062660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:53:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNrJOX012376; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:53:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.dns2go.com (mail.dns2go.com [63.149.6.187]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNrEQB011706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:53:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kathleen.hanrahan@homenode.us) Received: from localhost ([172.16.0.187]) by mail.dns2go.com (VisNetic.MailServer.v8.5.0.8) with SMTP id RHO95008 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:53:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:53:08 -0400 From: "Kathleen Hanrahan" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - +size swimwear Message-ID: X-Mailer: VisNetic WebMail 8.5.0.8 X-Originating-IP: 205.245.252.91 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4530272C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Your purchase is guaranteed - "If you’re not satisfied with any item, simply return it to us at any time for an exchange or refund of its purchase price." http://www.landsend.com/cd/index/fp/0,,4843,00.html?sid=8602118600237137610 Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 20:34:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E0YY8X001155 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9E0YVQW027048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E0XItv068786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E0XGc4059768; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9E0X926059076 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: (qmail 45158 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2006 00:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@70.136.249.144 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Oct 2006 00:33:03 -0000 In-Reply-To: <004f01c6ef19$3e97e280$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <000001c6ef0e$2386b850$6400a8c0@MAIN> <004f01c6ef19$3e97e280$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - +size swimwear Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:33:27 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45303097.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:34:35 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2ee2f863-031c-4aef-a9bc-186b4fd76296 Status: RO I haven't bought swimwear from them, but Land's end is usually very good quality. I believe they have some closeout priced swimwear right now. Margo On Oct 13, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Lorina, > > You might want to find some swimwear store in Florida. It is > snowbird season, so they might have a good selection. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 21:22:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E1MPT4002727 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:22:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9E1MKD9027339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:22:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E1L2C9076073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:21:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E1KvHX040397; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta04.xtra.co.nz (mta04.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.251]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E1Ko5M040134 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:20:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from [10.1.1.3] (really [219.89.171.249]) by fep03.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20061014010433.PQTI8831.fep03.xtra.co.nz@[10.1.1.3]> for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:04:33 +1300 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.408 [268.13.4/475]); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:04:40 +1300 Message-ID: <004501c6ef2c$ba1d26f0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000301c6ef15$f1178540$0202a8c0@p4audrey> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terminology of pleats Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:04:39 +1300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45303BCC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:22:25 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 223d0782-d768-40e6-ba2a-7b2f883b028a Status: RO > Are cartridge pleats and organ pleats the same thing? That's what Janet > Arnold says in PoF, and I'm inclined to believe her. Can o' worms! Cartridge pleating seems to have become synonymous with overhanding. Yet you can overhand almost any kind of pleat to reduce bulk at the waist. I usually overhand pleats that overlap so I don't wind up with 8 layers of fabric in my waist! These most certainly are not cartridge pleats. It should refer only to those pleats padded and overhanded so as to look like a row of cartridges. Otherwise it could mean nearly any kind of pleat under the sun and be of no help whatsoever when used to describe a garment. It also leads to cross purposes when giving instructions for how to assemble a garment. The term is also a very recent one, it's seen in the 1920s and not much earlier. I've also been lead to believe that gauging was the 19thC term but I can only find that to refer to the method of drawing of the gathers to be overhanded. > I can only find box pleats, knife pleats and the likes! No "open" pleats. That's all I can find. Well actually pleats and reverse pleats usually. And that is about as specific as it gets;) I have a feeling it was mostly a case of "make this fit the neatest way how." Michaela http://glittersweet.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/475 - Release Date: 13/10/2006 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 21:48:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E1mEJR003612 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:48:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9E1mB0R014429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E1l3aE080224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E1l0iO020837; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:47:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E1kg7c019966 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 19:46:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31465 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:29:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:29:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT - +size swimwear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453041DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 21:48:14 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 84d31765-7582-4026-b137-d2b45966421a Status: RO On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, Margo Anderson wrote: > I haven't bought swimwear from them, but Land's end is usually very > good quality. I believe they have some closeout priced swimwear right > now. I haven't bought the plus sizes, but I LOVE their swimwear -- sanely engineered designs, good quality, and attractive. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 13 22:34:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9E2YnW5005521 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:34:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9E2Yf48007555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:34:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNbLG8060271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:37:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DNbIFg066770; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:37:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9DN7NBJ083146 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2006 00:07:21 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAALe4L0WBSopcAgcOBwYd Received: from 88-107-113-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.113.41]:3128 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GYW7c-000GFO-Tf for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Oct 2006 23:07:20 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061014000352.03276488@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 00:07:25 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terminology of pleats In-Reply-To: <000301c6ef15$f1178540$0202a8c0@p4audrey> References: <000301c6ef15$f1178540$0202a8c0@p4audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45304CC2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Oct 2006 22:34:50 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 366362bb-2c1d-43b7-9fb6-27b7eff56c14 Status: RO At 23:21 13/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi all, > >Are cartridge pleats and organ pleats the same thing? That's what >Janet Arnold says in PoF, and I'm inclined to believe her. Actually, >I'm looking for the French term: I found "plis canon(s)" and "plis >en tuyaux d'orgue" (though I'm wondering if that isn't a direct >translation from English). I still haven't found a good source for >this, they're absent from every specialized lexicon I've looked at >so far. Seems my sources are too recent, I can only find box pleats, >knife pleats and the likes! No "open" pleats. > >Thanks for any help! > >Audrey I think they are different. Cartridge pleats are "tubes" = roughly the same thickness throughout, similar to a cartridge holder on a man's belt. Organ pleats, in my opinion, taper towards the top in the same way as an organ pipe does. At least that is how I have always defined them in my mind. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 14 10:48:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EEmo5f028272 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:48:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EEmkT9016204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:48:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EEkORS083875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:46:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EEkISp013470; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:46:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EEkEe0013363 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 08:46:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.85]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:46:09 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:46:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:46:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000301c6ef15$f1178540$0202a8c0@p4audrey> <004501c6ef2c$ba1d26f0$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Terminology of pleats Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:44:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:44:13 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2006 14:46:09.0497 (UTC) FILETIME=[7C8B2490:01C6EF9F] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4530F8CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:48:50 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 32baa079-f720-4f7e-9229-42898793dbd2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9EEmo5f028272 Status: RO Yikes, what is overhanding? I am not familiar with that term, can you explain it a little more? I am trying to imagine cartridge pleating which are overlapped to reduce bulk... Organ pipes and cartridge pleats are definitely not the same thing. I don't have access to the Oxford online dictionary anymore, but my memory is that Michaela is correct...it shows up in the 19th century. Furthermore, I've not been able to find any specific word for it in German either. >Organ pleats, in my opinion, taper towards the top in the same way as an organ pipe does.< As often as I have contemplated these things, and made them up, it was only when I looked at those military bases in August that the picture became clear as to why they were called this. When people spoke of them tapering, I always was focused on the "fact" that they were wider at the hem then where they were attached. I think I might have said this in my write up, but organ pipes are often sliced on the diagonal at the top (which is what I think Suzi is referring to.). When they are viewed from the un-sliced side, there is a point at the top which tapers down in an oval shape. This is very much what they look like. There are some who say they aren't any different then rolled pleats. While rolled pleats look a lot like the organ pipe pleats along their length, they are blunted off in the attachment area. They look squared off or rounded (I am not talking about contemporary portraits here, I am talking about garments I've made up.) Those pictures where the organ pipe pleats have alternating colors are an indication that they are made in sectioned tapers. Otherwise they are cut on a circle - you'd have to have a mighty big piece of fabric to do rolled pleats on a circle. I'd say the same for cartridge pleats. Generally the latter two lend themselves towards long lengths of straight fabric. I wonder if we could date the term to when organ pipes were made like this. BTW, anyone know why an organ is called an organ?? I know it is a musical instrument with air supplied by a bellows of sorts, but why wasn't a flute called an organ... Anyone know why the ends are tapered? I figure it has to do with the sound mechanics...but aren't there all sorts of pipe instruments where the outlet is flat? Sg Of course I keep threatening to write a paper on them, but haven't gotten around to it for four years. I know it ain't happening in the next 6 months either. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 14 14:21:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EILkvT003567 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:21:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EILhJZ031879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:21:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EIK7d2021012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:20:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EIJtN8097832; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:19:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EIJn5v097737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 12:19:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 928AE849E5; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B0F84991 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:19:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 14:20:26 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000501c6efbd$6c3b2270$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200610141800.k9EI09Pj080959@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:+size swimwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45312AB7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 14 18:03:22 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EM3MrG010744 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:03:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9EM3Edh003318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:03:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EM2OrX054505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:02:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EM2I4C019243; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:02:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9EM2E4b019148 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:02:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Received: from stuckis (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061014220208m1300m1m4ie>; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:02:09 +0000 Message-ID: <00b301c6efdc$6943c350$9810cf47@Stuckis> From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" References: <01ec01c6edd1$6a951220$b300a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:02:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45315EA2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 18:03:22 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3800c2fb-dde7-4c52-a687-59d46f97dd22 Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 3:38 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] burn test > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Netherton" >> (E.g. if only the warp threads dissolve, take a bunch of weft threads and >> burn just those for a clearer test.) > > ...but please don't burn the bleach-soaked weft threads; get fresh weft > threads from a new sample instead.>> Spoilsport. ;-) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 14 22:43:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9F2gqvA018931 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:42:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9F2gnDd017352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:42:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9F2fXqK093268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9F2fJUj028400; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9F2fGYY028357 for ; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:41:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE531A7044A; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 02:34:59 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - +size swimwear Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2006 19:41:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c6f003$68edc960$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c6ef0e$2386b850$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Oct 2006 22:42:53 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 13377dc3-23ff-45c0-b5c7-d29e5fa84664 Status: RO Lands' End. They have a good selection, good fit and most importantly, they have a great return policy. You can return anything for any reason, even swimwear that you've tried in the water.(I've done it) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Five Rivers Chapmanry Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 2:26 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] OT - +size swimwear I know I'm not the only Rubenesque woman here, so I'm wondering, where do you ladies purchase your plus-size swimwear? I swim 3x/week, and my two swimsuits are in very serious need of replacement. Of course it's October. There's no swimwear to be found, and the major stores for plus sizes (for me Pennington's in Ontario, Canada) don't bring in their cruise-wear until late November, and I'm living in fear that I may be caught flashing before then. I've checked some places online, but I'm loathe to commit the very serious dollars before knowing anything about these places. Anyone have an information? I'm looking, btw, for a size 26 or 28 swimdress. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 15 13:22:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9FHMfbl025173 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:22:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9FHMcBa025189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:22:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9FHLstP016668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9FHLoqq081516; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxs2.wvu.edu (mxs2.wvu.edu [157.182.140.114]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9FHLi9p081365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxs2.wvu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9FHLcPD027454 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:21:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rdonalds@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:21:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: 15 Oct 2006 13:20:29 -0400 References: <000001c6ef0e$2386b850$6400a8c0@MAIN> <000001c6f003$68edc960$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-Mailer: Groupwise 6.5 Message-ID: <20061015T132029Z_610A000E0000@mail.wvu.edu> From: "Rhonda Donaldson" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT - +size swimwear To: "Costume', 'Historical" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0574211253==" Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45326E5E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:11:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G0BLKS011469 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E30DA7867 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:11:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:11:08 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] my new dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4532F23C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:45:20 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9326af29-39b5-4753-aa37-b97ba4dd11a9 Status: RO All, I finished this last night so I could wear it in the rain today to the last day of renfest. I took inspiration from several Italian dresses from 1540-65, particularly one portrait of Titian's daughter Lavinia. The full writeup is in my dress diary on my website: www.reddawn.net/costume/irondress.htm Or you can take the shortcut to the photos alone: www.reddawn.net/costume/iron/Dscn1997.jpg www.reddawn.net/costume/iron/Dscn2009.jpg www.reddawn.net/costume/iron/Dscn2014.jpg Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 15 23:29:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G3TraD009609 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:29:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9G3TmAI020675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:29:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G3SstK007763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G3QTdl064068; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G3QOMN063923 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0D0A7867 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:26:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4532FBD1.5020307@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 22:26:09 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new dress References: <20061016011327.51060.qmail@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061016011327.51060.qmail@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4532FCAC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:29:54 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 1afa2ccf-b221-49ff-8119-c4f5cbcffb07 Status: RO Bella wrote: > Beautiful dress Dawn! I just love the colour and pattern of the fabric. Truly worthy of being Showcased, if you don't mind me saying so. :-) > Thanks! I probably will send you something, later this month. Your site was very helpful while researching the design. :) Meanwhile, I have another dress for a different event next weekend, and I haven't even started working on it... Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 15 23:59:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G3xKs2010723 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:59:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9G3xHcK006640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:59:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G3w95k012704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G3tlFF088690; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.131]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9G3tgQw088575 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:55:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 69665 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2006 03:55:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fdfzGvvRe8K9vnlkzArPS4XoJ3YxkFpBdaAWzfOppXOaHHXMcPjp1FDs2Sv9/4SHmkZtiE2KKcNDpQZWmOBCf4Kqrn0eXYTHSD8x9997ZRX+fMCiTkCidzsrdIvL1MUIA/IMgGknGKK6PRndvI8ZbMpiqJrfqxx9LsrSseWzQpg= ; Message-ID: <20061016035536.69663.qmail@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.250.179.246] by web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:55:36 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:55:36 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] image source X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45330395.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 23:59:21 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 5b043c45-52ea-43c7-9d97-60191bbbb154 Status: RO Would anybody have a good source for an image of somebody called Dr Orpheus from some show called the Venture Bros.? My son wants to have the cloak for this year's costume and I'm having a hard time finding a good shot of both front and back. Supposedly there is some sort of design on the back. Thanks, Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 01:01:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G50xTK012209 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:01:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9G50uHJ014868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:00:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G2gKh7098763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:44:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9G1DaDv054367; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:13:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9G1DWpn054244 for ; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:13:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 51062 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2006 01:13:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WE3OE8nzoc/oWAE3mgZiwsjAOb4GaPIZQ0PDYbEO3+0Fz1V575PGDAZJE6hVwtNjgqVXLocVzavU2AeLbRAX163uOjgjf6qx8z7zXCZnX+caAt6OP1q83AlXy1PfuWWLTIRt6vMzukTFk6e6Z2/rv1FXhwIQ1ZCvxE4FS13ea+A= ; Message-ID: <20061016011327.51060.qmail@web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.28.159.168] by web31508.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:13:27 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:13:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new dress To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45331208.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 01:00:59 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: ddf69e7a-bb60-44c9-8634-c26e218c62e8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9G50xTK012209 Status: RO Beautiful dress Dawn! I just love the colour and pattern of the fabric. Truly worthy of being Showcased, if you don't mind me saying so. :-) http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/yourgarb/ItalianShowcaseBooking.doc http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/yourgarb/ItalianShowcaseBooking.txt ...just in case you're interested. :-) Anabella Wake (aka Donna Bella Lucia da Verona) The Realm of Venus http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/ -----Original Message----- From: dawn@reddawn.net To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 8:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] my new dress All, I finished this last night so I could wear it in the rain today to the last day of renfest. I took inspiration from several Italian dresses from 1540-65, particularly one portrait of Titian's daughter Lavinia. The full writeup is in my dress diary on my website: www.reddawn.net/costume/irondress.htm Or you can take the shortcut to the photos alone: Dawn ____________________________________________________ On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Plug-in the fun with handy plug-ins http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 09:51:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GDpNgC024639 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:51:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GDpJ5f022366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:51:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GDnwQB007587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:49:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GDnqlv040114; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GDnmMU040058 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:49:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [66.43.209.43] (HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with SMTP id 1081037455 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:46:21 -0500 Message-ID: <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:47:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45338E58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:51:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c80788c4-90dc-435b-87b0-8c3d4d0b5d38 Status: RO I thought sure there would be several comments this morning! Are you all too shocked beyond comment? I think it was pretty clear in part 2 that the costumes (esp. women's) were fantasy intrepretations, barely based on anything historical. I have to admit that I loved the punk hair and the "venetian blind" hoops in the scene from the party at Naples. The story line was just a bit too twisted, but I suppose it all fit together. Even my daughter finally said - "What is with those costumes?! They didn't really wear their make-up like that, did they?" Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 10:17:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GEH9Ps025469 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:17:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GEH4Sa013555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:17:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GEFcFW013151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:15:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GEFY0g066493; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:15:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.211]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GEFUgh066323 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 08:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.74]) by bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:15:25 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:15:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:15:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new dress Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:13:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 07:13:32 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2006 14:15:25.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[861F5320:01C6F12D] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45339460.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:17:10 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 82dfcc67-d60b-4540-82a0-de767c388c10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9GEH9Ps025469 Status: RO Very nice! Are your pictures taken at Sterling by any chance? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] my new dress _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 11:37:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GFbYij027770 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:37:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GFbVU9020076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:37:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GFZ2aN028267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:35:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GFXmmn053184; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:33:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GFXYNB052764 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD24A6E7F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:33:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4533A63C.3000002@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:33:16 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new dress References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4533A73B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:37:35 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 10b98888-f39c-4ffa-8905-45754f52f854 Status: RO Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Very nice! Are your pictures taken at Sterling by any chance? Kansas City Ren Fest. They have a nice little wooded area with a 'creek' . Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 13:46:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GHkStA031677 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:46:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GHkP09013915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:46:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GHgot1054158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:42:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GHfSvI096555; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GHf0kC095969 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a27so163426nfc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:40:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KsAiNerRFMXpciXTqpUUkpN3KWqcxcFtb1dr+gvUdjB4Br8I51h35xdAwkY+1cBaqKc2hBsnpoLeruOmxxXAqMe6aW5POPHMAiP5cfnBeczT+nOasVXTvIsodqJIhOx+wQtLvW3ouZYpyjk6vaKJ81dhAiAej4Gb/mFPIYENAwg= Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr12536309nfg; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.222.18 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0610161040p4db3854fu34edce2adbc284d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:40:46 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 In-Reply-To: <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4533C571.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:46:28 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: dbaa2dc2-766b-47f5-a5c6-14c2477a145d Status: RO I watched this program with my daughter, who has worn costumes all her 15 years. We decided in the first half hour that the hair and costumes were wrong, the history might be off and that we would watch it the same way we watched The Knight's Tale with "Jeff" Chaucer. In other words, we suspended belief and went for the fun that was written into the movie. We didn't fret about the costumes at all - until someone in one of the court scenes was wearing a brocade vest-type piece that matched exactly the brocade on the walls of the room. The we laughed. I might add that my daughter spent the last week whispering to me: Only 5 more days until Cassanova, only 4 more days until Cassanova... We talked about the costumes but more about the fun colors and the variations on the historical. She even brought out one of my costume survey books to compare what we saw to the reality in portraits. I believe she learned more about this period - heck, any period - than any other movie or program we've ever watched. This was the best costume conversation I've ever had with her! For me this program was a resounding success. Anyway, anything with Peter O'Toole is worth watching. Even my daughter who hasn't seen many of his later movies said, "Wow, what bones!" Raising geniuses in Northern California, LynnD On 10/16/06, Land of Oz wrote: > I thought sure there would be several comments this morning! Are you all > too shocked beyond comment? > > I think it was pretty clear in part 2 that the costumes (esp. women's) were > fantasy intrepretations, barely based on anything historical. I have to > admit that I loved the punk hair and the "venetian blind" hoops in the scene > from the party at Naples. The story line was just a bit too twisted, but I > suppose it all fit together. > > Even my daughter finally said - "What is with those costumes?! They didn't > really wear their make-up like that, did they?" > > Denise B > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 14:15:06 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GIF6kY032467 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:15:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GIF2KO010651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:15:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GIDU8U060401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:13:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GID803033445; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:13:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GFUeGl049522 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:30:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087FEA6E7F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:30:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4533A58D.5050808@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:30:21 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4533CC26.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:15:06 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 995019ec-1de6-461e-a061-a260474e8930 Status: RO Land of Oz wrote: > I thought sure there would be several comments this morning! Are you > all too shocked beyond comment? I completely forgot it was going to be on. I'll have to wait for the dvd. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 14:39:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GIdmC1000634 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:39:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GIdjFB001078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:39:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GIb38m065022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:37:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GIaPVQ059969; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GIaBZk059538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:16687 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GZXJr-0003LL-9s for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:36:12 -0500 Message-ID: <033101c6f151$f0067d80$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new dress Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:36:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4533D1F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:39:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 67c027e3-64bf-42a5-9c43-c321ebb8f81e Status: RO Looks beeyoootiful, Dawn! I especially like the sleeves, and that gown fabric! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 15:06:26 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GJ6Q0F001573 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:06:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GJ6LYK025463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:06:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GJ3htM069954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GJ1fvJ089850; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:01:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GJ0p27088908 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:01:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.86]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:00:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:00:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:00:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net><00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <8296995c0610161040p4db3854fu34edce2adbc284d7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:58:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 11:58:58 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2006 19:00:46.0399 (UTC) FILETIME=[631CE4F0:01C6F155] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4533D82D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:06:27 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e3a8a6a6-cf1a-4a18-954f-177e83a7cb38 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9GJ6Q0F001573 Status: RO To me this is exemplifies absolutely the smartest attitude towards viewing costumes in movies. What a great experience and memory. Thank you for sharing! Saragrace ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Downward To: Historical Costume Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 I watched this program with my daughter, who has worn costumes all her 15 years. We decided in the first half hour that the hair and costumes were wrong, the history might be off and that we would watch it the same way we watched The Knight's Tale with "Jeff" Chaucer. In other words, we suspended belief and went for the fun that was written into the movie. We didn't fret about the costumes at all - until someone in one of the court scenes was wearing a brocade vest-type piece that matched exactly the brocade on the walls of the room. The we laughed. I might add that my daughter spent the last week whispering to me: Only 5 more days until Cassanova, only 4 more days until Cassanova... We talked about the costumes but more about the fun colors and the variations on the historical. She even brought out one of my costume survey books to compare what we saw to the reality in portraits. I believe she learned more about this period - heck, any period - than any other movie or program we've ever watched. This was the best costume conversation I've ever had with her! For me this program was a resounding success. Anyway, anything with Peter O'Toole is worth watching. Even my daughter who hasn't seen many of his later movies said, "Wow, what bones!" Raising geniuses in Northern California, LynnD On 10/16/06, Land of Oz > wrote: > I thought sure there would be several comments this morning! Are you all > too shocked beyond comment? > > I think it was pretty clear in part 2 that the costumes (esp. women's) were > fantasy intrepretations, barely based on anything historical. I have to > admit that I loved the punk hair and the "venetian blind" hoops in the scene > from the party at Naples. The story line was just a bit too twisted, but I > suppose it all fit together. > > Even my daughter finally said - "What is with those costumes?! They didn't > really wear their make-up like that, did they?" > > Denise B > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 15:32:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GJWP9m002470 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:32:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GJWMeu019479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GJU5Wb077128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:30:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GJTtSD022998; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:29:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GJTkaJ022678 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3C3A681F for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:29:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4533DD9C.9020300@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:29:32 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4533DE46.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 24494f02-fc06-4841-a38e-3ced0a09ed3f Status: RO Folks, I'm including a confirmation list of email names of people who have signed up. If you are participating, please check to see if I have you on the list. I fished a few sign-ups out of the trash bin, but may have missed some. If you are not participating, you can delete this message. :) Dawn wickedfrau@msn taniampembroke@aol sharon.nevin@gmail sfarmer@goldsword sarah_nucci@yahoo robinandkellydorman@hotmail robin@shell.nightowl ringland@intrex purplkat@optonline primevalooze@yahoo penhalion@juno nicolaa@rogers mylaar@gmail moreplentyn@earthlink mcallahan@cox maggie.gene@justinanimator M311@aol m.p.decker@att lalahcatlady@netscape katie_lewis@lycos jmhr3@yahoo hdpinto@verizon goofy4@comcast garden@netspeed FyneHats2@aol fran@lavoltapress estela_dufrayse@hotmail elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast delasue@yahoo Debloughcostumes@aol cschmitt@genteelarts costumrs@radiks ckinsey@kumc cinbarnes@gmail chiara.francesca@gmail Cheryldee@aol camelothorse@earthlink caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo aquazoo@patriot AnnBWass@aol ailith@neo.rr end list _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 16:38:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GKc3QZ005026 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:38:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GKc0mV006663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:38:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GKahBJ089208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:36:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GKaHCb094408; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:36:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GKZt4E093996 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cdc.52e9c9 (60469) for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-m02.mx.aol.com (v113.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM022-ec354533ed1f280; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:35:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Message-Id: <59b5672d6e9ce8f9639749172170ea7d@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:35:39 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4533EDA8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:38:04 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 61f0c3ea-f635-425b-b69e-151c44192d1a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9GKc3QZ005026 Status: RO IMHO, Part 2 cemented the thought that this interpretation was for "comedy purposes" Made me think of a "Knight's Tale" more than once while viewing it. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for".  - "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Oct 16, 2006, at 9:47 AM, Land of Oz wrote: > I thought sure there would be several comments this morning! Are you > all too shocked beyond comment? > > I think it was pretty clear in part 2 that the costumes (esp. women's) > were fantasy intrepretations, barely based on anything historical. I > have to admit that I loved the punk hair and the "venetian blind" > hoops in the scene from the party at Naples. The story line was just a > bit too twisted, but I suppose it all fit together. > > Even my daughter finally said - "What is with those costumes?! They > didn't really wear their make-up like that, did they?" > > Denise B > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 17:02:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GL2IBe005942 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:02:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GL2FuA031547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:02:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GL0fQ7093539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:00:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GL0bXo020560; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:00:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GL0S3q020400 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:00:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23730 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:00:26 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:59:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 Thread-Index: AcbxTsy7usLuMcwJTBysD8dgRZPHwAAFhkOA From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9GL0S3q020400 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4533F357.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 17:02:19 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 53613923-1b0d-4a2d-8615-971250b21c30 Status: RO Well, I thought it was kind of fun, and I'm a stickler for costume authenticity. But it fit in with the mood of the whole presentation, since the "older Cassanova" scenes were costumed and set in a grimer "reality" while the "past" scenes were lit, set, costumed, and even dialogued differently. As if filtered through memory. Everything mostly lighter, brighter, and more outrageous. So it worked for me. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 18:30:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GMUbEh010755 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:30:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GMUYoO001930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:30:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GMSAsl012461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GMS2uF016651; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9GMRwlS016491 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22258 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Oct 2006 22:27:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AENP+jTE76C6MHyFCMh8bABos0LhVIdkuNXtShpynn1YfVKD7pgYs314wraJRntfzeYAaWOjeLE0BDq2fJwpeKCW18emxUFP7dkbs0VZ8Owh2IUniL0aPY7yF4cubxxi75T2F6z37t0P3TeGIoTUHBgo9ag61CxrCOe4YW4nYVY= ; Message-ID: <20061016222753.22256.qmail@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.34.229.63] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:27:53 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:27:53 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4534080A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:30:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3e8066a7-41d9-43d5-b7a6-74f241117eb1 Status: RO If you think about it a certain way, it was probably really good for all of us, for a change to let go and just enjoy the movie--once we all decided to relax. :) And for Lynn and her daughter (one of the most genuinely wonderful young women on the planet, I happen to know) even more so. JimDear and I had been at Sea World all day--Gaslamp San Diego the whole day before--and were exausted, but it kept us awake all the way through to the lovely ending. MaggiRos --- "Abel, Cynthia" wrote: > > > Well, I thought it was kind of fun, and I'm a > stickler for costume > authenticity. But it fit in with the mood of the > whole presentation, > since the "older Cassanova" scenes were costumed and > set in a grimer > "reality" while the "past" scenes were lit, set, > costumed, and even > dialogued differently. As if filtered through > memory. Everything mostly > lighter, brighter, and more outrageous. > > So it worked for me. > > Cindy Abel > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 18:33:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GMWuY7010811 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:32:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9GMWrRS003574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:32:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GMUN8w012955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:30:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GMUIM9019108; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:30:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GMTwcG018590 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 55160 invoked by uid 16115); 16 Oct 2006 22:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.187]) ([69.107.143.164]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 16 Oct 2006 22:29:53 -0000 Message-ID: <453407E1.3020501@misc.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 15:29:53 -0700 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Macintosh/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> In-Reply-To: <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45340895.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 18:32:57 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c9904341-7249-49f6-80d6-3d3cb22786e9 Status: RO I guess you could throw a psychological spin on the show in that underneath the public aspect of elegance and sophistication (as typified by the outward attire the 18th century is famous for), the private aspect is one of _____ (fill in the blank with own perspective of the "reality" of 18c life), which could be represented by the "unreal" colors of the clothes and make-up, partially torn away garments, tattered edges, anomalies of behaviors of both the costumes and characters. I think the comment, in Naples, by the upwardly-mobile opera singer probably summed up the attitude of the whole show: "...because we're all going to die..."...so what the heck, let 'er rip!!! Theresa Eacker Land of Oz wrote: > > I thought sure there would be several comments this morning! Are you > all too shocked beyond comment? > > I think it was pretty clear in part 2 that the costumes (esp. women's) > were fantasy intrepretations, barely based on anything historical. I > have to admit that I loved the punk hair and the "venetian blind" > hoops in the scene from the party at Naples. The story line was just a > bit too twisted, but I suppose it all fit together. > > Even my daughter finally said - "What is with those costumes?! They > didn't really wear their make-up like that, did they?" > > Denise B > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 22:28:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2SGeu018698 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:28:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9H2SD4C026807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:28:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2QKoh057155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:26:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2QC2B018153; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:26:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from isis.ntw.net (IDENT:7pdt4Gu1jFJPeeqYhEJVglkL7HzKSRxh@isis.ntw.net [199.165.233.10]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9GMrDhl042144 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [206.124.5.215] (206-124-5-215.denver.dial.forethought.net [206.124.5.215]) by isis.ntw.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k9GMjx802267 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:45:59 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <453407E1.3020501@misc.com> References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> <00de01c6f129$91edc5f0$2bd12b42@denise8541f2db> <453407E1.3020501@misc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7bf482d68656577f908305fc85ca4ed5@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cassanova pt 2 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 16:53:17 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45343FBD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:28:17 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: a0dc417a-ad9f-4e91-8886-487b7b9a4d86 Status: RO Your comment on unreal colors reminded me of the movie "Angels and Insects". While I think the cut of the women's dresses therein was fairly accurate (mid 19th c, as I recall), the colors and patterns did not appear to my slightly trained eye to be so, but I thought it was a wonderful design choice since such colors and patterns followed the insect theme. Clearly an example of how period costumes can be successfully stylized to promote a concept. Sylrog On Oct 16, 2006, at 4:29 PM, Theresa Eacker wrote: > I guess you could throw a psychological spin on the show in that > underneath the public aspect of elegance and sophistication (as > typified by the outward attire the 18th century is famous for), the > private aspect is one of _____ (fill in the blank with own perspective > of the "reality" of 18c life), which could be represented by the > "unreal" colors of the clothes and make-up, partially torn away > garments, tattered edges, anomalies of behaviors of both the costumes > and characters. I think the comment, in Naples, by the > upwardly-mobile opera singer probably summed up the attitude of the > whole show: "...because we're all going to die..."...so what the > heck, let 'er rip!!! > > Theresa Eacker > > > > Land of Oz wrote: >> >> I thought sure there would be several comments this morning! Are you >> all too shocked beyond comment? >> >> I think it was pretty clear in part 2 that the costumes (esp. >> women's) were fantasy intrepretations, barely based on anything >> historical. I have to admit that I loved the punk hair and the >> "venetian blind" hoops in the scene from the party at Naples. The >> story line was just a bit too twisted, but I suppose it all fit >> together. >> >> Even my daughter finally said - "What is with those costumes?! They >> didn't really wear their make-up like that, did they?" >> >> Denise B >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 22:37:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2bVoO019007 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:37:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9H2bO4H000396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:37:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2ZutI058700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:35:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2Zr5u026028; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:35:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H1d4IE080470 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061016180631.NTYP19704.fep32.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:06:31 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.195]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061016180631.NWLF9806.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:06:31 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c6f14d$d6daff10$c36ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4532CE1C.3070706@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] my new dress Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:06:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.164.110.195] at Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:06:25 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453441E4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c1cc905e-73a6-4d02-9d91-22fd3c0746a0 Status: RO Hello Dawn, Thankyou for letting us see your new dress. It is stunning beautifull and looks so nice in the beautifull sourroundings. Bjarne who came back from Autumn Ball yesterday, and still is a little tired. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:11 AM Subject: [h-cost] my new dress > All, > > I finished this last night so I could wear it in the rain today to the > last day of renfest. > > I took inspiration from several Italian dresses from 1540-65, particularly > one portrait of Titian's daughter Lavinia. The full writeup is in my dress > diary on my website: > > www.reddawn.net/costume/irondress.htm > > Or you can take the shortcut to the photos alone: > > www.reddawn.net/costume/iron/Dscn1997.jpg > www.reddawn.net/costume/iron/Dscn2009.jpg > www.reddawn.net/costume/iron/Dscn2014.jpg > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 16 22:41:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2f1Is019113 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:41:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9H2exVK006838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:41:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2dbbV059533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2dXUj029215; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H2EV0L008972 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:14:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s8so1665110wxc for ; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dBjUat8/xH/ojvuqCwTCHcoQyWasc6ZLHT0QdnrRAoZref00wKEQL473JT855b4xAud/Pu4VGI3rkMxHd7ojTaN4bT7Ipq/+9/1bOGJMlyAnrZ5EdRrTbGQAhpysIRQU/G5pu2clNlThHytbPZ6iU6dXzHnBd/QFlDGTlDo6H+E= Received: by 10.70.129.5 with SMTP id b5mr12640278wxd; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.78.3 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190610161914v993f32cu983149e514effeca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:14:30 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anyone at Winterthur this weekend? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453442BB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It's the first event listed here: http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com/RegionII/event_workshop_sym.htm Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 05:28:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H9SSPj009477 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:28:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9H9SPY2027239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:28:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H9QS1D019166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H9QFXK028703; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:26:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H9QB7U028571 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c8c.5d667d (29679) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:26:04 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:26:04 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kent State exhibit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4534A239.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:28:29 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2b4f828b-0cc8-47ca-b229-1bb1e7282656 Status: RO I saw the current exhibit at Kent State University, "The Age of Nudity," on Sunday. It is very well done, and I recommend it for anyone interested in late 18th and early 19th century costume. There is also a retrospective of Oscar de la Renta's work. Well worth a visit. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 05:33:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H9XePe010000 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:33:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9H9XbVR001311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:33:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H9Rdhm019300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H9RbQr029762; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:27:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H9RVmI029684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 03F37D418A; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB155D3EE7 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:27:20 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <001a01c6f1ce$767f5090$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200610161827.k9GIR0KO049002@net.indra.com> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: OT - +size swimwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4534A371.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 05:33:41 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d4aa3a3a-090b-441f-8314-893b83ce332f Status: RO Dear Rhonda, Very kind of you to offer; however, a friend in Texas has offered to be buyer for me and hopefully within two weeks I'll have a new swimsuit! Again my thanks to you, and everyone else, who were so very helpful. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 11:33:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HFXFrl001082 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:33:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HFXCIP011274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:33:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HFQOrB070172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:26:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HFPVW1037233; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HFPMcE037045 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 09:25:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=LMxh4r2LzG0ob6UPjSD5yiiaFVQFEYm7Y74iT0bL0V60i8OYqmeJC6taj3RC8b9k; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GZqoi-0001BX-4x for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:25:20 -0400 Received: from 12.39.254.69 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:25:19 -0400 Message-ID: <8072007.1161098719938.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:25:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a40b39f18e1c87d53c6647ab41774f2a1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4534F7B8.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:33:16 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 98fd668d-1713-4263-8930-64d001c1ef3f Status: RO Dawn-- I loved participating last year and would like to do so this year. Missed the deadline because I haven't had time to write up a little "who I am" paragraph....is it really too late? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Dawn >Sent: Oct 16, 2006 3:29 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange > >Folks, > >I'm including a confirmation list of email names of people who have >signed up. If you are participating, please check to see if I have you >on the list. I fished a few sign-ups out of the trash bin, but may have >missed some. > >If you are not participating, you can delete this message. :) > > >Dawn > >wickedfrau@msn >taniampembroke@aol >sharon.nevin@gmail >sfarmer@goldsword >sarah_nucci@yahoo >robinandkellydorman@hotmail >robin@shell.nightowl >ringland@intrex >purplkat@optonline >primevalooze@yahoo >penhalion@juno >nicolaa@rogers >mylaar@gmail >moreplentyn@earthlink >mcallahan@cox >maggie.gene@justinanimator >M311@aol >m.p.decker@att >lalahcatlady@netscape >katie_lewis@lycos >jmhr3@yahoo >hdpinto@verizon >goofy4@comcast >garden@netspeed >FyneHats2@aol >fran@lavoltapress >estela_dufrayse@hotmail >elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast >delasue@yahoo >Debloughcostumes@aol >cschmitt@genteelarts >costumrs@radiks >ckinsey@kumc >cinbarnes@gmail >chiara.francesca@gmail >Cheryldee@aol >camelothorse@earthlink >caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo >aquazoo@patriot >AnnBWass@aol >ailith@neo.rr > >end list > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 12:09:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HG9pih001840 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:09:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HG9m8f026915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:09:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HG7sua078922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HG7TQm082949; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HG7HVh082511 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B30A6822 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:49:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4534FB80.9000806@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:49:20 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange References: <8072007.1161098719938.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <8072007.1161098719938.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4535004C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:09:52 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e03634d0-dc7c-4663-96d3-ad47a1277c16 Status: RO ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > Dawn-- > I loved participating last year and would like to do so this year. Missed the deadline because I haven't had time to write up a little "who I am" paragraph....is it really too late? > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > Ruth, I haven't made assignments yet, so if you send me your info I can add you to the list. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 12:20:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HGK4Pt002124 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:20:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HGK1Jt004617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:20:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HGGfAf081529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:16:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HGGbcS093240; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from arkroyal.concentric.com (arkroyal.concentric.com [207.155.252.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HGGOE3093056 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by arkroyal.concentric.com id LAA09011; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:48:10 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200610171548.LAA09011@arkroyal.concentric.com> From: Julie To: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:48:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200610171527.k9HFPV8p037242@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9HGGOE3093056 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help with docs for linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453502B1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 86bfe054-56ac-45cf-a595-9bb409f06a9f Status: RO I'm just finishing up a dress for my daughter. It's Italian ren, about 1490. I'd like to turn it in as an arts project but I know the judges will hassle me about using linen. I've been told that linen was only for undergarments and wasn't used for outer garments. Can any of you help me disprove that? Julie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 12:39:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HGcxam002651 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:39:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HGcuKF023457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:38:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HGbHYx085947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HGbAf0016292; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:37:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9H9kkGs044094 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 03:46:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061017094646.IMYT12075.fep33.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:46:46 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.195]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061017094645.OFDZ23229.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:46:45 +0200 Message-ID: <002801c6f1d1$3afc4cf0$c36ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:47:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.164.110.195] at Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:46:41 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk prices in USA X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45350720.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:38:59 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d8eaba81-d8f1-46fa-a5c5-de4dafdb2c5c Status: RO Hi, I just wanted to share a bargain i had recently. Hyena had half price sale for solid silk taffeta in selected collours. I baught 10 yards of 2 collours and payed 320 dollars included shipping. It came home to me directly, didnt even had to pay any taxes for it. So i calculated and find that i have payed 96 danish kr. for each yard, usually i pay 700 for a meter.............. You guys are lucky over there, that you can have it that cheap! Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 13:43:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HHhCtw004096 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:43:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HHh9CF015900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:43:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HHfHgP095952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:41:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HHZALB078605; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HGFRdk091927 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=BNXeenH5lr7LP0wIzTvBafFIoOZd5HgfVwgTlIF3TjF4LN2bzDPSwd47P61MIchj; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GZrbB-0002pZ-NN for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:15:25 -0400 Received: from 12.39.254.69 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:15:24 -0400 Message-ID: <23907203.1161101725565.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:15:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a475f0d8fbcdbaf3c9c6c9e47cf48f92cda8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4535162D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:43:12 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 496d71df-bcee-49e7-891e-8d9253e3774f Status: RO I'll do that as soon as I get home from work today. Thanks! --Ruth Anne -----Original Message----- >From: Dawn >Sent: Oct 17, 2006 11:49 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange > >ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: >> Dawn-- >> I loved participating last year and would like to do so this year. Missed the deadline because I haven't had time to write up a little "who I am" paragraph....is it really too late? >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> > >Ruth, I haven't made assignments yet, so if you send me your info I can >add you to the list. > > >Dawn > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 14:22:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HIMoDE004954 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:22:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HIMlBg005839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:22:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HILRNr002064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HIJLtJ025579; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HIIAIb024086 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:18:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10220 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:00:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:00:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with docs for linen In-Reply-To: <200610171548.LAA09011@arkroyal.concentric.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45351F77.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:22:50 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0109c878-0e83-4e7d-a766-70abdb1231d3 Status: RO On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Julie wrote: > I'm just finishing up a dress for my daughter. It's Italian ren, > about 1490. I'd like to turn it in as an arts project but I know the > judges will hassle me about using linen. I've been told that linen > was only for undergarments and wasn't used for outer garments. Can > any of you help me disprove that? I get worried whenever I see that statement, because I think it is a misapplication of something I originally wrote to this list years ago and have repeated elsewhere. I've posted in the past (and still maintain) that so far, I've seen no indication that linen was used for outer garments IN MEDIEVAL WESTERN EUROPE. Now I sometimes hear people insisting that "linen wasn't period" for the SCA -- which is far too broad a statement! For example, linen for outer garments shows up with some frequency in documents from Elizabethan England and the early American colonies. In your case, 1490 Italy is neither "medieval" nor "Western European." I know Maureen Mazzaoui has shown use of cotton at this time (though I'm not sure for what sort of garments). For linen, I'd start by looking at Carole Collier Frick's "Dressing Renaissance Florence" -- perhaps someone on this list has a copy they can check for linen references to see if there's anything worth pursuing? Also "Renaissance Dress in Italy, 1400-1500," by Jacqueline Herald. And anyone else interested in this -- when you hear someone say "Linen wasn't period for outer garments" in the SCA, will you please find out where they got that idea? If they say it's from me, tell them they didn't get the whole story. I do like getting credit for my work, but I hate to see it oversimplified to the point of error. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 17:10:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HLAUvX009280 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:10:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HLARuF009717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:10:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HL8gfn034650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:08:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HL8Mu5019184; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HL8EpN018848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:08:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:20706 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GZwAc-0004BZ-Ey for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:08:19 -0500 Message-ID: <040d01c6f230$56216920$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:08:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] organ/pipe pleats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453546C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:10:31 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c1e443c9-fc12-450f-bda1-46528ca2558e Status: RO A feature common to a lot of the dresses in my era/area is a row of pleats falling from the waist at the back (but not the front or sides). I've been using rolled pleats taken in a rectangular piece of fabric for this, and they do a generally good jpb of giving the right look. But I've become annoyed with them lately--when the pleat moves from side to side, it gets these unappealing horizontal wrinkles, which really isn't the look I'm going for. Another problem is that the line where the pleats meet the waist seam is basically straight, whereas most images show rounded humps. (I'm too lazy right now to upload an appropriate picture, so take a look at this for a general idea of what I'm talking about; her sash mostly obscures the waistline at the back, but you can still get a hint of what the area where the pleats meet the waist seam looks like: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpg ) Right now, I'm in the middle of making a version of this, my first intentionally English dress ever: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg (though I'm going to put off making that heawear--oy) (I won't go into detail about why I'm pretty sure that the back of this has the back pleats as seen in the first link; suffice it to say that I feel reasonably confident based on other paintings.) Anyway, I went ahead with my normal rolled-pleats version, but the horizontal wrinkle problem was even worse than usual, so I have just officially gotten fed up and decided to try something new. I'm thinking of using organ/pipe pleats instead, taken in a piece of fabric that's closer to a semi-circle. (Well, several put together, probably.) I'm hoping that will fix the problem of wrinkling, and give the big-fat-rolls-with-curved-tops look; the semi-circle will mean that I'll still have a hefty amount of hem, as shown in most images. I've never played with this style of pleat before, though. Has anyone on the list messed about with it much? I'm thinking I may want to shape the edges of the roll (picture a cylinder cut off at an angle) rather than just stick it on there at a 90 degree angle, but I'm not sure if it's worth the bother. Also, I definitely plan to stuff each pleat, but I have yet to figure out what stuffing to use. A roll of fulled wool? Wadding of scrap fabric? Each roll should be at least 1" in diameter, so we're talking about some significant stuffing. I'm also worried about avoiding a ridge where the stuffing ends; I want the skirt to fall naturally to the ground, rather than going out while over the stuffing, but straight down where the stuffing ends. (Sigh--I'd already stitched the rolled pleats in place and called it done; sooo much work I'm making for myself now! And people wonder why I rarely get things 100% finished.... At least this one has a must-be-wearable-by date, which may help.) -E House PS--I'll be using this dress to test my theory on the purpose of those white bands. I _think_ I've got it, or at least a good possibility, but I won't know until the pleats are settled! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 19:40:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HNeJZl011909 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:40:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9HNeFUm013775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:40:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HNc70g058583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:38:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HNbxpp069166; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:38:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.67]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9HLGaTU028574 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.229.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.229] helo=faucet.net) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GZwIb-0003pn-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:16:34 -0400 Message-ID: <453555FE.20000@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:15:26 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with docs for linen References: <200610171548.LAA09011@arkroyal.concentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453569DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:40:19 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: f2d27ccf-5449-4007-a4bb-3db3d06f81c7 Status: RO There is the reference in Cennini's _Craftsman's Handbook_ (from Italy, late 14th or early 15th century): "A section dealing with miscellaneous incidental operations: First, block printing on cloth Inasmuch as the execution of certain products painted on linen cloth, which are good for garments for little boys or children, and for certain church lecterns, still has to do with the profession of the brush, the way to do them is this." (p. 115-16 in my Dover edition) In response to Robin's suggestion, the only mention of linen in the index of Dressing Renaissance Florence is "linen merchants." It's possible that there's something buried in the text that's not reflected in the index, though. There's no linen mentioned in Herald's index at all, but it doesn't seem very comprehensive. Melanie Schuessler Julie wrote: > I'm just finishing up a dress for my daughter. It's Italian ren, > about 1490. I'd like to turn it in as an arts project but I know the > judges will hassle me about using linen. I've been told that linen > was only for undergarments and wasn't used for outer garments. Can > any of you help me disprove that? > > Julie > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing > list h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 20:07:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I07kW5012346 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:07:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I07hFj031739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:07:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I06Vql062949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I06SdD093817; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.25]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9I06PLi093693 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:06:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95196 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2006 00:06:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xQglmP+Cv6Y1lZg3QKctoKyKWkC5nUQ0yoKj0NG8LvffNBMsY+TPeOfsgZsJ2ZYQFQHJDwls8aKHpr1YTdDRmlIDyESnXuwmYNHtFWBMXdZKNf8OpO3NQEzxsYc7q2cf714jfK5rl1z6O7LGArQiSsLBXRb/GlxBPq4DsvvpEro= ; Message-ID: <20061018000618.95194.qmail@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.34.229.63] by web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:06:18 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:06:18 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with docs for linen To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4535704F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:07:46 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 6a057c2f-4d9e-4e8e-a85f-7bfe5d3e187b Status: RO Hi Robin, Broadly, "Western Europe" does include Italy, simply looking left to right in the sense of Western Civilization. It's not Eastern Europe, surely. Maggie --- Robin Netherton wrote: > I've posted in the past > (and still maintain) that > so far, I've seen no indication that linen was used > for outer garments IN > MEDIEVAL WESTERN EUROPE. > In your case, 1490 Italy is neither "medieval" nor > "Western European." _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 20:46:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I0kcrU012871 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:46:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I0kZb2031343 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:46:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I0iVWn069077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I0iQv0026514; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I0iLQV026442 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10949 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:27:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:27:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] help with docs for linen In-Reply-To: <20061018000618.95194.qmail@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4535796B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:46:39 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 57e3802f-bc2b-4655-aa32-d9d2242b3fd3 Status: RO On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, MaggiRos wrote: > Broadly, "Western Europe" does include Italy, simply looking left to > right in the sense of Western Civilization. It's not Eastern Europe, > surely. Europe is indeed in the West, or the Western World, or part of Western Civilization, as distinct from the East (formerly called the Orient). But Europe has internal regional divisions. As medieval historians typically* use the term, Italy is not in Western Europe. It is considered to be in Southern Europe. Scandinavia is not Western Europe either; it's Northern Europe. As modern historians use the term, Western Europe reflects political or economic divisions and usually refers to the NATO countries of Europe or the European countries that were not allied with the "Eastern bloc." So there's a difference -- one that I have to remember when I'm talking to historians of other stripes! --Robin *Yes, I'm sure there are exceptions. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 21:35:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I1ZjtO013769 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:35:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I1ZgQF032006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:35:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I1YEZj078850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I1Y6Er027496; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:34:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I1Y1uG027408 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m237.in-tch.com [216.166.191.237]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k9I0m6Q08932 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:48:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001901c6f251$e8d53f00$edbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <8072007.1161098719938.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <4534FB80.9000806@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:08:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453584EE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:35:45 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 40618ba7-b82d-427f-9b5a-7112a21165b1 Status: RO Me, too? I'll send it tonight, in case I'm squeeking under the wire.... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange > ruthanneb@mindspring.com wrote: > > Dawn-- > > I loved participating last year and would like to do so this year. Missed the deadline because I haven't had time to write up a little "who I am" paragraph....is it really too late? > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > > Ruth, I haven't made assignments yet, so if you send me your info I can > add you to the list. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 17 21:52:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I1qk2H014124 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:52:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I1qhtG016618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:52:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I1oXUI081970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I1oWtD041029; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:50:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I1oPVB040928 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:50:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.144] (pm5-144.eos.net [205.133.149.144]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9I1oNqe029967 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:50:24 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:34:07 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200610172334.k9HNYZHk065820@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 677 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453588EB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:52:47 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 144df1cc-63ec-4184-82b5-1b27e3f9ebf9 Status: RO > > I'm just finishing up a dress for my daughter. It's Italian ren, about 1490. > I'd like to turn it in as an arts project but I know the judges will hassle me > about using linen. I've been told that linen was only for undergarments and > wasn't used for outer garments. Can any of you help me disprove that? > > Julie > Ah, exactly why I dislike contests. I don't think you can disprove that, because I think it's true for the majority of known clothes. I would just document what would have been the correct fabric and then say I used linen because it was a preiod fabric and a better choice for my needs (and then say what those needs are). If judges "hassle" you about that, then they are not good judges. If they take off points, that's their job if they follow the rules. But almost anything we make today isn't "period" in some way or other. You should enter contests anyway, just for fun! See how you score on the other criteria. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 05:13:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I9Dmfl032020 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:13:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9I9DjMN027264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:13:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I9CuQY030425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:12:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I9ClJA092467; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:12:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9I9ChKg092352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:12:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 82DCF84A39; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E98C84A48 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:12:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:12:39 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <002101c6f295$8f28c320$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Discounted patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4535F049.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 05:13:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3a5467c1-4f49-4ad6-bb9c-21fe5c5e583a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9I9Dmfl032020 Status: RO I'm down to about 280 patterns, most of which are Victorian, early through late, and Edwardian. A modest amount of buck-skinning, Folkwear, a couple of Regency corset patterns, and a few oddments. 45% discount, people. Bargain prices. For orders over $200.00 I'll throw in free shipping, which won't show on the shopping cart, but rather handled when I get the order. I would like these out of here by the close of the month. Tell your friends! Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 06:30:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IAUWW2014192 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:30:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IAUKu8027023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:30:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IASu5m039667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IASp4i053680; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:28:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IASlHl053546 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 04:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.100]) by bay0-omc2-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:28:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 03:28:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.10.123 by by121fd.bay121.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:28:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <040d01c6f230$56216920$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] organ/pipe pleats Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:28:39 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2006 10:28:41.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E99FA50:01C6F2A0] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4536023C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:30:28 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 132f05ed-6054-499f-bc58-68c10f25fd00 Status: RO Hiya, You are thinking along the same thoughts as me on the shaping to achieve the rolled look without the horizontal pull, I can't wait to see finished pictures, so few people do this time period! As for the stuffing and possible ridge line, if you allow for the most stuffing at the point where the skirts meet the bodice and gradually decline the amount of stuffing further down the pleat, you'll avoid a ridge. I would make a roll of cotton batting, then add graduating layers of flat batting to the skirt panels before you roll the pleats, so that the dress has a layer of batting, the rolls would then be inserted as you form the pleats. I hope I make sense. Good luck on finishing! I'm there too on a major project... Kelly An insolent reply from a polite person is a bad sign. Hippocrates (c.460-c.370 bc), Greek physician >E House writes > I'm also worried about avoiding a ridge where the stuffing ends; I want >the skirt to fall naturally to the ground, rather than going out while over >the stuffing, but straight down where the stuffing ends. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 10:47:27 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IElMX2024553 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:47:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IElJpk005951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IEjn8J078612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:45:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IEjYhX088610; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IEjSv6088414 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDD1A681F for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:45:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45363E03.50606@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:45:23 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] costume calendars X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45363E77.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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No affiliation, just a satisfied customer. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 11:08:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IF8u4r025018 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:08:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IF8rK8010114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:08:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IF7Q7F081840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:07:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IF7MZX011694; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:07:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IF6taZ011121 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061018150635.UYGG157.fep31.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:06:35 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.155]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061018150635.OZYY29529.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:06:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c6f2c7$0e0b67c0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:06:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.155] at Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:06:33 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45364385.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:08:57 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: eaf6d500-6579-4da3-bec9-6a1c2b23c08b Status: RO Hello. I have finally mannaged to draft the pattern from the big Kyoto Fashion book: "Corset of brown cotton satin with 162 whalebones inside". I was thinking about making it from the thick duchesse satin i made my light blue suit from, as i have some leftovers of it. Any disatvantages of using silk duchesse satin for a corset? I plan to use 2 layers of linnen interlinning, in wich i will slide the bones. I thoaght it would be particular beautifull with white sewing silk stitched channels. Much apreciated with feed back about this, as it will be my biggest challenge ever.................. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 11:34:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IFYP4a025468 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:34:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IFYMtM004167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:34:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IFWYKh086017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IFWWVb040162; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:32:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9IFWPEK040016 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:32:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 20232 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2006 08:32:25 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 20190, pid: 20201, t: 5.9744s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:40/d:2019 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 18 Oct 2006 08:32:19 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061018083010.023d4608@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:32:11 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 In-Reply-To: <000a01c6f2c7$0e0b67c0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c6f2c7$0e0b67c0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4536497E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7ec88330-fbac-49ab-9253-0e7c66475602 Status: RO At 08:06 AM 10/18/2006, you wrote: >Hello. >I have finally mannaged to draft the pattern from the big Kyoto >Fashion book: "Corset of brown cotton satin with 162 whalebones inside". >I was thinking about making it from the thick duchesse satin i made >my light blue suit from, as i have some leftovers of it. >Any disatvantages of using silk duchesse satin for a corset? >I plan to use 2 layers of linnen interlinning, in wich i will slide >the bones. I thoaght it would be particular beautifull with white >sewing silk stitched channels. >Much apreciated with feed back about this, as it will be my biggest >challenge ever.................. > >Bjarne Since you are using the linen to take the stress, I think it should work well (and be lovely, too). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 13:01:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IH19MT027020 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:01:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IH14XF005596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:01:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IGxQgZ002635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:59:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IGxKlF045391; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:59:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.192]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IGxGbg045209 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id l1so134158nzf for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Oaxx8bGfHYJwD30DU5MnovaumV0urYGOhONg7KapKtsEJMcsX2TBFbzQ0tFZlNVEo2rLqQoZJyfu7M19Pln7kIck060YfdTxCZXzzjEKLUZwSAT8powi7JJF5o8mnvFDu/qSChic25L2ryokADLo/g9bSVQq49nRl5yuAiDaMfc= Received: by 10.65.121.9 with SMTP id y9mr14868125qbm; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.160.14 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 09:59:12 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Trip to London X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45365DD0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:01:10 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0c148230-b0c7-44a5-b0f6-adcaf052a48d Status: RO Hello UK h-cost members, I've got a surprise short notice trip to London on Sunday. I'd love to meet up with any of the locals for tea, museum crawling, the fabric store & used bookstore tour or even a tour at a historic site or theater where you work or volunteer. We're ariving Mon. I will have 25-26 Nov and 29-31 by myself. I can meet up on other days, but will have my dear fiance on hand. Bribes & facilitating payments: we live in Silicon Valley, very close to ThaiSilks. Hollar if you'd like us to bring something in particular. I used to tempt people with treasures from California wineries, but the latest travel restrictions into the UK forbid hand-carried wine. It's a cruel world. Raz & I also do a lot of historic dance styles, Renn to Ragtime. If anyone knows of a dance event or class we'd love to have your advice and companionship. Thanks so much, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 13:16:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IHGtq6027301 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:16:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IHGr07030188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:16:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IHFZgJ005383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:15:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IHFWFQ064501; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IHFSZ6064273 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from beweave1@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20061018171509m14003r4hce>; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:15:09 +0000 Received: from [128.95.92.13] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:15:07 +0000 From: beweave1@comcast.net To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:15:07 +0000 Message-Id: <101820061715.4912.4536611B000BED5B000013302200735834CE0A900E0A990A0D@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: YmV3ZWF2ZTFAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help with docs for linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45366185.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:16:56 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 58a37833-78db-4792-a16e-40f4aa80c969 Status: RO I get digest so please excuse that I haven't got a quote to enter the conversation with. There are several references in Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince to linen outer garments; some cloaks, a fighting jack, and something else (at work not at at home). I think mostly from, wait for it, Italy. 14th century. So, why not late 15th century? Cynthia, the lurker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 14:09:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9II9Sgb028478 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:09:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9II9O1T006762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:09:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9II6vIu016023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:06:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9II668v028936; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9II5gHt028399 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:05:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061018180537.MSYD27307.fep30.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:05:37 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.155]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061018180537.PBLS9806.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:05:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001401c6f2e0$0d9bfac0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c6f2c7$0e0b67c0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20061018083010.023d4608@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:05:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.155] at Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:05:31 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45366DD4.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:09:29 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e0a971c4-aa6d-4563-a103-bfc7536c9596 Status: RO Hi Joan, Thanks, i hope so two. I was thinking using following. Outer layer satin. 2 layers linnen wich i draw in the lines on the 2nd linnen layer, so that i can make all the nice stitching, and then when finished, put a lining inside. Original stays has flossing, but i dont think i dare to make it, as i have never made it before.. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 > At 08:06 AM 10/18/2006, you wrote: >>Hello. >>I have finally mannaged to draft the pattern from the big Kyoto Fashion >>book: "Corset of brown cotton satin with 162 whalebones inside". >>I was thinking about making it from the thick duchesse satin i made my >>light blue suit from, as i have some leftovers of it. >>Any disatvantages of using silk duchesse satin for a corset? >>I plan to use 2 layers of linnen interlinning, in wich i will slide the >>bones. I thoaght it would be particular beautifull with white sewing silk >>stitched channels. >>Much apreciated with feed back about this, as it will be my biggest >>challenge ever.................. >> >>Bjarne > > Since you are using the linen to take the stress, I think it should work > well (and be lovely, too). > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 14:17:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IIHY9w028688 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:17:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IIHMwt014363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:17:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IIErkd017721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:14:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IIEmLe039692; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.110]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IIEfMN039394 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:14:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.38.88]) by bay0-omc1-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:14:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:14:25 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY116-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:14:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002801c6f1d1$3afc4cf0$c36ea450@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk prices in USA Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:14:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:14:24 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2006 18:14:25.0534 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E6A11E0:01C6F2E1] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45366FB2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:17:34 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 53973acf-8dc3-424c-92db-ca5abd460157 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9IIHY9w028688 Status: RO Yikes! That is very expensive none the less! I can get it online for $18/yard and at the fashion district for between $14 and $16. I am so sorry it costs so much more over there! If you ever need help buying it more cheaply, give me a "ring."! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 15:26:33 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJQRKi030290 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:26:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IJQOZa011690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:26:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJNtnu029424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:23:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJN8EU017604; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IGShOM008319 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.319.bc2e662 (14502) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:28:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: <319.bc2e662.3267b025@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:28:21 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 17th Century question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45367FE0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cheryl Odom College of Santa Fe _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 15:26:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJQk7p030304 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:26:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IJQhfA011523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:26:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJOhRk029590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJOgBe019550; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:24:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep17-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IIOKAa051071 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from manon@enterharmony.nl) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (really [62.195.169.83]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20061018182414.VTMB1704.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:24:14 +0200 Message-ID: <45367144.1040300@enterharmony.nl> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:24:04 +0200 From: Manon dba Enter Harmony User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200610181705.k9IH0X3m046817@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200610181705.k9IH0X3m046817@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Discount patterns & introducing myself X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45367FF3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:26:46 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 1e48adee-5e8e-44dc-b3ac-17dcd8f28fc5 Status: RO Hi Lorina, Would this free shipping also count for international? & a short introduction: I have been reading along here and know Bjarne from LiveJournal. France Grimble pointed me at this list :-) I live in the Netherlands am very fond of the Victorian times especially 1870 - 1890. Working from home raising two children and building up a business - for over a year now - selling Victorian dressmaking supplies & corsets. Thank you! Regards, Manon Antoinette > > I'm down to about 280 patterns, most of which are Victorian, > early through late, and Edwardian. A modest amount of buck-skinning, > Folkwear, a couple of Regency corset patterns, and a few oddments. 45% > discount, people. Bargain prices. For orders over $200.00 I'll throw in free > shipping, which won't show on the shopping cart, but rather handled when I > get the order. I would like these out of here by the close of the month. > Tell your friends! > > > > Regards, > > Lorina > > Five Rivers Chapmanry > > purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, > re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. > > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 15:37:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJbp6D030570 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:37:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IJbmiq021501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:37:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJaHc8031356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJZUeH031256; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJZDAe030784 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:35:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061018193509.QJCI12075.fep33.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:35:09 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.155]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061018193509.PDWD23229.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:35:09 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c6f2ec$96682890$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c6f2c7$0e0b67c0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711><7.0.1.0.2.20061018083010.023d4608@surewest.net><001401c6f2e0$0d9bfac0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> <54885.72.13.239.193.1161196150.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:35:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.155] at Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:35:07 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4536828C.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:37:51 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: fa24f1dc-8709-434f-80d5-91857819ffd2 Status: RO Hi, The embroidery on the top of the front. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 > > A lining is a nice finish, and also you can use a nice strong linen > or hemp canvas & not have to worry if it's pretty or not. > > There are some originals that are stitched through the outer layer, > but for many brocades or silks the outer layer is applied afterward. > It can go either way. > > What do you mean by flossing? > > -Carol > >> Hi Joan, >> Thanks, i hope so two. >> I was thinking using following. Outer layer satin. 2 layers linnen wich i >> draw in the lines on the 2nd linnen layer, so that i can make all the >> nice >> stitching, and then when finished, put a lining inside. >> Original stays has flossing, but i dont think i dare to make it, as i >> have >> never made it before.. >> >> Bjarne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 16:12:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKCrRU031546 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:12:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IKCmSj017748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:12:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKB6XX037100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKA4gK070434; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:10:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.176.45]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9IK9UEA069763 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 34729 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Oct 2006 20:09:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UgySnqO7N++LKu/Xr5i5p0NZTa+10/D2kMjQCDYHA6kNzyWgRdTbs1B7OMAFnJvX2EfKwL7pkQxykOtn6m/0Td2Gya3OX84kWGdjjREphLcPhIvemThl7j+OELdD9Olixb+HSoV/M30tsxuuca3j8di5SENIIkLFDFDAKl+KqVo= ; Message-ID: <20061018200920.34727.qmail@web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.254.128.6] by web26508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:09:20 BST Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:09:20 +0100 (BST) From: Lena Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trip to London To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45368AC0.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:12:54 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 08016bc8-e0e1-42b0-b084-9aa598ce80ae Status: RO Hi Cin, AFAIK, I'm not booked for anything on those weekends, so give me a shout off-list regarding time and place. Oh, and if you're interested in the medieval period, I'd recommend a (weekday) visit to Oxbow bookshop in Oxford. /Lena --- Cin wrote: > Hello UK h-cost members, > I've got a surprise short notice trip to London on > Sunday. I'd love > to meet up with any of the locals for tea, museum > crawling, the fabric > store & used bookstore tour or even a tour at a > historic site or > theater where you work or volunteer. > > We're ariving Mon. I will have 25-26 Nov and 29-31 > by myself. I can > meet up on other days, but will have my dear fiance > on hand. > > Bribes & facilitating payments: we live in Silicon > Valley, very close > to ThaiSilks. Hollar if you'd like us to bring > something in > particular. I used to tempt people with treasures > from California > wineries, but the latest travel restrictions into > the UK forbid > hand-carried wine. It's a cruel world. > > Raz & I also do a lot of historic dance styles, Renn > to Ragtime. If > anyone knows of a dance event or class we'd love to > have your advice > and companionship. > Thanks so much, > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 16:17:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKH9qn031639 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:17:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IKH3xF031620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:17:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKEZO6037619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKEGsv074310; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKDoq3073710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:14:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:22561 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GaHnP-0003iV-Cv for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: <04d101c6f2f1$e72b42d0$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c6f2c7$0e0b67c0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:13:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45368BBF.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I don't have the Kyoto book--is there an image of this corset anywhere online? -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 16:43:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKguVa032215 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:43:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IKgpUB012950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKdcbH042397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKcuuk002384; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:38:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKcbkj001873 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061018203827.RHTE15674.fep32.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:38:27 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.155]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061018203827.PDHP8103.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:38:27 +0200 Message-ID: <002801c6f2f5$68613c30$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002801c6f1d1$3afc4cf0$c36ea450@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk prices in USA Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:38:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.155] at Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:38:26 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453691CB.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:42:57 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7657e25e-f462-490d-84e3-289ec8c3bb5a Status: RO Hi Saragrace, You are lucky. I dont remember if i posted the right price at first, i payed 14 dollars a yard wich was half price. And it still is amazingly cheap compared to Denmark prices. I wonder why the prices are so high here? I think perhaps the shops takes 100 % advanse. When i baught the nice green taffeta, the man who sold me the fabric told about deseasce in the silk worms, but i didnt believe him. Another shop sells James Hares silks, for rediculous high prices. People like me have ben so stupid to buy, in stead of import ourself. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk prices in USA Yikes! That is very expensive none the less! I can get it online for $18/yard and at the fashion district for between $14 and $16. I am so sorry it costs so much more over there! If you ever need help buying it more cheaply, give me a "ring."! Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 16:50:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKoHPK032372 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:50:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IKoEgt020801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:50:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKmw6X044289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:48:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKmp5q013602; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:48:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IKmZnM013087 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:48:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A913A681F for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:48:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4536931D.6040006@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:48:29 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 References: <000a01c6f2c7$0e0b67c0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> <04d101c6f2f1$e72b42d0$b300a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <04d101c6f2f1$e72b42d0$b300a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45369386.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:50:18 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 35106920-a7db-441d-bde3-9fe04adbb7f7 Status: RO E House wrote: > Drat. I don't have the Kyoto book--is there an image of this corset > anywhere online? > On their website: http://www.kci.or.jp/cgi-bin/collection.cgi?lang=e&path=1760/11-000337_a The book has a diagram of it though, showing the pieces and the boning channels. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 18:18:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IMICa8001869 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:18:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9IMI9Or013239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:18:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IMB1h7059835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IMArcj003994; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:10:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IMAmZV003783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:10:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:22822 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GaJcg-0004ZY-Vn for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:10:51 -0500 Message-ID: <04e301c6f302$40e2fe20$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002801c6f1d1$3afc4cf0$c36ea450@CPQ21932199711> <002801c6f2f5$68613c30$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk prices in USA Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:10:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4536A821.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:18:13 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 63adce64-26c1-4288-a19f-ec10ecb661a4 Status: RO Ahh... $14 is indeed a good price, as long as the quality is good. I get mine here: http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/Catalog_items.aspx?Query=taffeta+silk but then, of course, I work for them. It's generally $11/yd there, but the quality is unfortunately hit or miss; you can find some absolutely great taffetas, but right next to them, you'll find lightweight slubby ones that just aren't that useful. At the moment, they don't have too many iridescents, but they have some nice-looking faille taffetas. Usually, I'd suggest ordering 1/8 yd pieces of the fabrics you're considering first, but given the shipping time involved, I'll suggest calling in your order, explaining your situation to whoever you talk to (ask for Cathy) and ask for suggestions from her; she's used to working with people like us! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 19:42:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9INgGnb003834 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:42:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9INgDDv028006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:42:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9INdYjd077070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:39:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9INdRdD089577; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:39:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9INdNxF089403 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061018203038.IYZN157.fep31.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:30:38 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.155]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061018203038.PESR23229.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:30:38 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c6f2f4$4e994f50$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c6f2c7$0e0b67c0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> <04d101c6f2f1$e72b42d0$b300a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:30:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.155] at Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:30:33 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4536BBD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 5914c77b-827b-459f-bdc4-38fdc99b7d3a Status: RO Hi, Yes, i have shameless used it on my webpage. You can find it further down on this page; http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/anglaise.htm And the picture gets larger when you click it! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 > Drat. I don't have the Kyoto book--is there an image of this corset > anywhere online? > > -E House > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 20:30:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J0UDxg004900 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:30:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9J0UAnN005667 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:30:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J0T32c084633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:29:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J0T1e3030837; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:29:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.po.exetel.com.au (pecan-mail.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J0Ss5d030749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:28:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendaslists@exemail.com.au) Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.88.249] helo=mycomputer) by smtp.po.exetel.com.au with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GaLmH-0001zG-47 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:28:53 +1000 Message-ID: <051d01c6f315$86cafab0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" References: <319.bc2e662.3267b025@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century question Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:28:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4536C712.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:30:13 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4c00c844-994f-4cc5-8844-562435850beb Status: RO Can you point to a picture? Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:28 AM Subject: [h-cost] 17th Century question > My costume design class is researching the 1660's for "Tartuffe". They > had > a question about the strange little head piece seen on some ladies of the > period. It is a little disk attached to the forehead with a protruding > stick > and ball attached to the end. What is that? Is it worn for a special > occasion > or in a particular part of Europe? It seems to occur primarily in "Low > Countries" research. Can anyone give me some information. Sometimes > (usually), > the teacher doesn't know everything. They are awaiting your response. > Thanks ever so much! > > Cheryl Odom > College of Santa Fe > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 20:32:59 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J0Wwuq004948 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:32:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9J0WuSv027421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:32:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J0WQTu084942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J0WQG5033239; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J0WJZ0033161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:32:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-42-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.42]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9J0WHAJ004167 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:32:19 +1000 Message-ID: <002701c6f316$085005d0$2af1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002801c6f1d1$3afc4cf0$c36ea450@CPQ21932199711><002801c6f2f5$68613c30$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> <04e301c6f302$40e2fe20$b300a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk prices in USA Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:32:16 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4536C7B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 20:57:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J0uu7W005441 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:57:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9J0uri6015039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:56:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJPFfB029662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:25:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IJPCTr020080; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:25:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IIS67D055784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id k9IIS2i9002511 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:28:05 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <54885.72.13.239.193.1161196150.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <001401c6f2e0$0d9bfac0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c6f2c7$0e0b67c0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20061018083010.023d4608@surewest.net> <001401c6f2e0$0d9bfac0$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Kyoto Cotton Satin Corset 1780 From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4536CD55.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:56:56 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: bdf3c5de-5e57-4c93-a4a9-6332ed7ac8f1 Status: RO A lining is a nice finish, and also you can use a nice strong linen or hemp canvas & not have to worry if it's pretty or not. There are some originals that are stitched through the outer layer, but for many brocades or silks the outer layer is applied afterward. It can go either way. What do you mean by flossing? -Carol > Hi Joan, > Thanks, i hope so two. > I was thinking using following. Outer layer satin. 2 layers linnen wich i > draw in the lines on the 2nd linnen layer, so that i can make all the nice > stitching, and then when finished, put a lining inside. > Original stays has flossing, but i dont think i dare to make it, as i have > never made it before.. > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 18 23:15:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J3F3ll008472 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:15:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9J3Ewwc010631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:15:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J3DuCR012830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J3Djke073392; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from arkroyal.concentric.com (arkroyal.concentric.com [207.155.252.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9IMf9Hj034768 for ; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:41:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) Received: (www@localhost) by arkroyal.concentric.com id SAA27973; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:41:07 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Message-ID: <200610182241.SAA27973@arkroyal.concentric.com> Received: from 209.78.214.253 (as jtknits@jtknits.cts.com) by register.concentric.com (207.155.252.156) with Concentric Web Mail; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:41:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Julie To: Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:41:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200610181801.k9II0Ahq021707@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9IMf9Hj034768 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] help with docs for linen X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4536EDB2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:15:03 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 5cb0ba96-f79c-405f-96b4-6e0e26a6b8af Status: RO Thanks Rogin, Melanie, Cynthia & Gail for your help. I have Cennini. I'll use that quote. I don't have FITAOTBP though - it's on my list at Amazon. Can someone pretty please come up with a quote? Thanks Julie ---- wrote: > > There are several references in Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince to linen outer garments; some cloaks, a fighting jack, and something else (at work not at at home). I think mostly from, wait for it, Italy. 14th century. So, why not late 15th century? > > Cynthia, the lurker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 19 02:42:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J6g9R6027243 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:42:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9J6g5Vp005610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:42:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J6eGG5036298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:40:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J6e7Ig019211; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.134]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9J6e32O019107 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:40:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93908 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Oct 2006 06:39:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TVccbuqKa6WDQv1BsJR23k4yztrwFVi2v54WoITneOvCjaGZFbbsda3y3JxU0oqET58D8soe6SlCP4v7YTTEUuvfzmni5vwto4dH3L/jP2cpCw5ibrUw0uzWWMFJJ28ru5OedLtC2Iz8kp9o4LlsWH+h8n4baNJPpHyABkB/LYc= ; Message-ID: <20061019063957.93906.qmail@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:39:57 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 23:39:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] organ/pipe pleats To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <040d01c6f230$56216920$b300a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45371E3D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:42:09 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9510f042-f75b-49dd-8c08-d2ff8df85ed8 Status: RO Hiya, I am also working on a Tudor gown where I was also planning on doing a rolled pleat. I did my kirtle in a simple rolled pleat, and I know what you mean by it dropping straight from the waistline. I haven't noticed the horizontal wrinkling, as the pleats are in the back, and I can't see myself while moving. I was thinking of adding a strip of wool to the top of the gown pleats, to fill them out more before rolling them up. Then sewing them in to the edge of the gown's bodice bottom, similar to what I did with my husband's Tudor jacket skirt. His skirt was a circular skirt that I made artificial humps by pinching a small "dart" and sewing that down, then sewing each hump to the edge of the jacket so it goes out before going down. I also held the darts together with a tape in two areas to keep each "pleat". This is following some of the info and pattern given in two books, History of Costume by Payne (pattern in the 1st ed.), and Tudor Costuming (writtend description) by Norris, for an extant military "base". The problem I came across is that my husband's skirt did not have an internal padding or quilting to stiffen the whole skirt, as the extant base does. So the pleats don't really hang very well. It does do a little better with a skirt made from melton wool (a waffenrock I helped make), but was still not perfect in how it hung as a pleat. I will be remaking parts of my gown (and kirtle) before I get back to the skirts on the gown, so it will be a week or more before I can do the skirt. But I also have a must-wear-by date of Nov 11, so one way or another it will be done, and photos posted after that day. I do look forward to seeing what you come up with in your experiments, and perhaps together all of us working on these pleats can figure out what is going on. And I also look forward to your physical example of your theory on the white band. I wanted to do something for my gown, but I won't have the time. I will be lucky to get the partlet and waist sash done in time, considering the redo on the kirtle. Kimiko E House wrote: I'm thinking of using organ/pipe pleats instead, taken in a piece of fabric that's closer to a semi-circle. (Well, several put together, probably.) I'm hoping that will fix the problem of wrinkling, and give the big-fat-rolls-with-curved-tops look; the semi-circle will mean that I'll still have a hefty amount of hem, as shown in most images. I've never played with this style of pleat before, though. Has anyone on the list messed about with it much? I'm thinking I may want to shape the edges of the roll (picture a cylinder cut off at an angle) rather than just stick it on there at a 90 degree angle, but I'm not sure if it's worth the bother. Also, I definitely plan to stuff each pleat, but I have yet to figure out what stuffing to use. A roll of fulled wool? Wadding of scrap fabric? Each roll should be at least 1" in diameter, so we're talking about some significant stuffing. I'm also worried about avoiding a ridge where the stuffing ends; I want the skirt to fall naturally to the ground, rather than going out while over the stuffing, but straight down where the stuffing ends. (Sigh--I'd already stitched the rolled pleats in place and called it done; sooo much work I'm making for myself now! And people wonder why I rarely get things 100% finished.... At least this one has a must-be-wearable-by date, which may help.) -E House PS--I'll be using this dress to test my theory on the purpose of those white bands. I _think_ I've got it, or at least a good possibility, but I won't know until the pleats are settled! --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:09:24 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 213a6d52-30d1-4f8f-ad45-cf4cb1a59df1 Status: RO Cheryl, I remember seeing illustrations in a book of the "disc and stick" headdress you describe, but I can't remember the source (it was a long time ago). I think it was a Low Countries style too. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 19 04:39:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J8dB3n016808 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:39:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9J8d8Eu007655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:39:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J8c0jh053261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:38:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J8bvYL012701; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:37:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9J8bpeN012517 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:37:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061019083751.EORR157.fep31.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:37:51 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.117]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061019083750.PHWH9806.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:37:50 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c6f359$eb5c2000$7543a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <319.bc2e662.3267b025@aol.com> <051d01c6f315$86cafab0$0202a8c0@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century question Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:38:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.67.117] at Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:37:48 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453739AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 04:39:11 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2686c70e-1888-4eab-897b-d5daacb60140 Status: RO Hi, Ah yes sudently i remember a picture with that. I think it is a kind of mask to protekt the face from frost in the winter. Its not a head dress but a mask. >From what i remember, it was only a short period it was used. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 17th Century question > Can you point to a picture? > > Glenda. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:28 AM > Subject: [h-cost] 17th Century question > > >> My costume design class is researching the 1660's for "Tartuffe". They >> had >> a question about the strange little head piece seen on some ladies of >> the >> period. It is a little disk attached to the forehead with a protruding >> stick >> and ball attached to the end. What is that? Is it worn for a special >> occasion >> or in a particular part of Europe? It seems to occur primarily in "Low >> Countries" research. Can anyone give me some information. Sometimes >> (usually), >> the teacher doesn't know everything. They are awaiting your response. >> Thanks ever so much! >> >> Cheryl Odom >> College of Santa Fe >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 19 07:51:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JBpUEl015709 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:51:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9JBpRNg013992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:51:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JBo3cZ087741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:50:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JBnvWc072488; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JBnr1S072349 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 05:49:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061019114946.CLLA4212.fep35.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:49:46 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.14]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061019114945.PMIQ8942.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:49:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c6f374$b6753b90$0e43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:50:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.14] at Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:49:41 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 18th century ball X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453766BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If you click this link, and turns on a full schreen on your computer, you should be able to have the slideshow: Enjoy! http://www.sodratornet.se/pertoft/beatelund/ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 19 10:54:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JEsFwO018977 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:54:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9JEs041003008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:54:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JEqBub019624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:52:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JEpvu8055420; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JEppUA055161 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter20.comcast.net ([204.127.197.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061019145145m1100rvo4ie>; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:51:45 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter20.comcast.net; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:51:44 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century ball Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:51:44 +0000 Message-Id: <101920061451.27292.45379100000D476000006A9C22069997350809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45379188.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:54:16 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 408015c0-c583-450d-8f8c-17b95fd47ac9 Status: RO Bjarne! How lovely! I felt absolutely trasnported back in time! Perfect ambiance, setting and it seems like everyone worked really hard to make this dinner party look like a living protrait from the past! Well done! Elena/Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Usually i take up some photos on my website when i get back from the party > at the gustavians in Sweden. > This time i need not to do it, as a dear friend of mine, Lars Rosenberg made > a slideshow for you to see. > It was the last "summersday" of the year, in the evening, the full moon came > up, and i enjoyed every moment of it. > If you click this link, and turns on a full schreen on your computer, you > should be able to have the slideshow: > Enjoy! > http://www.sodratornet.se/pertoft/beatelund/ > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 19 15:40:50 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JJejYf025318 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:40:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9JJedWf005236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:40:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JJdDMp076560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:39:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JJcwS5095175; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:38:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf.jatol.com (aethelwulf.jatol.com [147.202.37.243]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9JGefLP083903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:41:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from 24-216-120-37.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com ([24.216.120.37]:23760 helo=compaqub) by aethelwulf.jatol.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Gaawc-0001sn-Ql for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:40:36 -0500 Message-ID: <054101c6f39d$4a0ba510$b300a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002801c6f1d1$3afc4cf0$c36ea450@CPQ21932199711><002801c6f2f5$68613c30$9b14a150@CPQ21932199711><04e301c6f302$40e2fe20$b300a8c0@compaqub> <002701c6f316$085005d0$2af1f4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk prices in USA Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:40:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4537D4B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:40:46 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: cbb5ef7d-7e64-4249-8975-71ba3963301c Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" > But they don't ship overseas so it's not much help to people outside the > USA. Drat. I keep forgetting that they changed their policy. I just called in to double check. At some point, I might consider setting myself up as a semi-official forwarding agent--I'll discuss it with the boss. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 20 14:36:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KIaH8O014549 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:36:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9KIaE4X000616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:36:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KIY0Nt074914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KIXc0b082016; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KIXUnk081747 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 12:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C063DA6822 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:33:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4539168A.7020605@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:33:46 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4539171E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 20 15:15:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KJFcB4015189 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:15:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9KJFY98002297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:15:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KJCuKA081071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:12:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KJCrsG023060; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:12:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KJCmcA022879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9KJCgkf085501 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:12:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:12:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <58293.65.117.156.5.1161371562.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <4539168A.7020605@reddawn.net> References: <4539168A.7020605@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:12:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45392056.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:15:39 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 78c9f22d-29be-4c52-aac1-97311df9252f Status: RO I am. :) Chiara On Fri, October 20, 2006 1:33 pm, Dawn said: > The movie opens today. Anyone planning to go see it? > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 20 16:37:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KKb8lE016340 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:37:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9KKb1cc002688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:37:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KKYpSt096069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KKYWQF015652; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:34:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9KKYKHv015290 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c13.7a166b1 (57341) for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:33:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4539336D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:37:08 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e8f4718a-6fa5-46c6-ab0e-adcdb541b31a Status: RO Due to reviews that sight its utter devotion to the superficial [the New Yorker says that it doesn't try so much to make the Queen out to be like Paris Hilton, as the film looks like it was MADE BY Paris Hilton] I might just wait til the DVD. That will come soon enough. I usually don't like these films that feel it necessary to equate historical figures to modern "equivalents"...y'know like Mozart being a misunderstood rock star. They are baloney. Usually the real stories and personalities of the real people are more interesting and you learn nothing about Marie Antoinette or the French Court at the time by anachronisms. Marie Antoinette is as much a product of the 18th century and Paris Hilton is a product of the 21st century and comparisons seem superficial at best. But it could be entertaining, though the trailers don't make it seem so to me. The costumes look nice so I'll see it eventually for that. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 20 23:17:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9L3HFeH025116 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:17:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9L3HCUp010300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:17:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9L3GcuB051840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:16:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9L3GSVq035900; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:16:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9L3GMvE035842 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:16:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Gb7LQ3bW8-0000si; Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:16:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c6f4bf$429f60f0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4539168A.7020605@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:16:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45399138.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 21 04:02:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9L82IGM026963 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:02:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9L82FSo011668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:02:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9L818Xf085110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:01:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9L812BI006955; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:01:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9L80uN6006836 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 21 Oct 2006 09:00:50 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAPRuOUXUSnInk2dsb2JhbACMIQICBw4HBh0 Received: from 88-107-113-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.113.41]:3423 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GbBmj-000J21-UM for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:00:49 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061021085633.03265748@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:57:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette In-Reply-To: <000f01c6f4bf$429f60f0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <4539168A.7020605@reddawn.net> <000f01c6f4bf$429f60f0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4539D407.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 21 10:17:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9LEHbXw006422 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:17:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9LEHYpc022737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:17:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9LEGdeR031995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9LEGVKr069230; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:16:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9LDs0wH051776 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 07:54:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061021135354.JQRI9538.fep34.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:53:54 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.51]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061021135354.QMTF16068.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:53:54 +0200 Message-ID: <001c01c6f518$66701700$3343a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:54:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.51] at Sat, 21 Oct 2006 15:53:50 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453A2BFE.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:17:38 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: bfc7192b-e408-4c51-bece-09fdc6910f0b Status: RO I think this is a film made to catch big teenage girls, to romantise about the fashion, nothing else. Even the wigs/hairstyles has a little touch of todays sloppiness. Costumes looks nice in the pictures i have seen so far. It opens here in Denmark next month, ill go off cause, but i think i want to take some earlplugs with me, i hate that they put rock music into that time............ Much better to read about her, i cant but recomend Stefan Zweigs novel Marie Antoinette, he has catched the time, better than any after him................ And when i think of it, i think that Jefferson in Paris made a very nice portrait of her, even the actress looked like her, with her pronounced habsburg lips and her eagle nose, also her tubby figure, and many bad things have ben told about her, they are mostly true, but it was not her fault. For instance the finanse minister complainted to her about her extravagance, she told him she would love to cut down on her costume expenses, but he got very upset about that and told her she represented the french silk industry, and so on........................ She was catched in an invetible cobweb who led to the revolution. Every time i see The night of Varennes (dont know if this is the english title) i keep on hoping that they will not be catched, i get so melancoly of that film. One thing i dont understand is why Count Fersen used such a big and heavy coach ( he knew they had to hurry) And why in heavens name didnt Marie Antoinettes brother, the emperor of Austria help her? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 22 00:06:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9M46G9U028588 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:06:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9M46D3N002711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:06:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9M45ljg039402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9M45eiL086056; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.200.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9M45aTw085984 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <2006102204053101500matjme>; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 04:05:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <001c01c6f518$66701700$3343a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <001c01c6f518$66701700$3343a150@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:05:29 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453AEE35.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:06:17 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 22355db8-5f60-481f-85d8-08851fe37f3b Status: RO It got a pretty bad review in our newspaper, and from the trailers shown on tv, it looked like it wouldnt be too great Sounds like the only reason to see it is for the costumes. Sylrog On Oct 21, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I think this is a film made to catch big teenage girls, to romantise > about the fashion, nothing else. Even the wigs/hairstyles has a little > touch of todays sloppiness. Costumes looks nice in the pictures i have > seen so far. > It opens here in Denmark next month, ill go off cause, but i think i > want to take some earlplugs with me, i hate that they put rock music > into that time............ > Much better to read about her, i cant but recomend Stefan Zweigs novel > Marie Antoinette, he has catched the time, better than any after > him................ > And when i think of it, i think that Jefferson in Paris made a very > nice portrait of her, even the actress looked like her, with her > pronounced habsburg lips and her eagle nose, also her tubby figure, > and many bad things have ben told about her, they are mostly true, but > it was not her fault. > For instance the finanse minister complainted to her about her > extravagance, she told him she would love to cut down on her costume > expenses, but he got very upset about that and told her she > represented the french silk industry, and so > on........................ She was catched in an invetible cobweb who > led to the revolution. > Every time i see The night of Varennes (dont know if this is the > english title) i keep on hoping that they will not be catched, i get > so melancoly of that film. One thing i dont understand is why Count > Fersen used such a big and heavy coach ( he knew they had to hurry) > And why in heavens name didnt Marie Antoinettes brother, the emperor > of Austria help her? > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 22 14:07:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MI7mGT030788 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:07:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9MI7jFl008930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:07:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MI6fl6050622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MI6aDk071048; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MEK1FO087778 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:20:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061022141956.FDDM4212.fep35.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:19:56 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.113]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061022141956.QVHK8103.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:19:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c6f5e5$36106d80$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:20:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.164.110.113] at Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:19:53 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] new danish court dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453BB371.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:07:49 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 01fcc2e9-4d3a-436c-b9c8-759afd396e5b Status: RO Some years ago i made this danish court dress for a museum. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/mu7.htm The dress is a reconstruktion of the french court style used in mid 1700 in Denmark. A young girl asked me to make another one for her, she want a red one. It is to be used at the mannor house, when the 1700 fair takes place. All this is outdoor activities at the mannor house, both servants and the aristocracy are supposed to mingle together, take strows in the courtyard, in the park, and so on. Tradesmen stands in the courtyard, selling different kinds of goods. I have some consern about this. First i hate red, but she insists on this, and after all she pays, so i accept this. ( would have preferred a dusty rose or something pastel) Second i am conserned for her because she wil have difficulties managing the big skirt. All the width of the pannier is pleated into the waist, and there are many folds to manage. She agree that i dont have to make the train, it would never have ben used outdoor anyway. But shouldnt i try to convince her that it would be much easyer for her to manage the skirt, if i make a seam in the middle of the pannier. This way i dont have to make all the pleats, and much of the width will be much more easy to manage for her? Wished she would have ordered an other type of dress, but she dreams about the courtdress. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 22 17:54:03 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MLrx3g002723 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:54:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9MLru1D004371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:53:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MLqr5v081367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MLqlTW042826; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:52:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MLqigX042717 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 15:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [62.45.122.45]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05763BE76B for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:52:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <453BE825.8000401@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:52:37 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress References: <000601c6f5e5$36106d80$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000601c6f5e5$36106d80$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453BE874.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:53:59 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: a308e641-b1bf-41a5-a6b5-0943bf318907 Status: RO Hi, I understand that you don't want to put much work in a dress you don't like to make. But I don't think the pleats will make it more difficult for her to manage to walk in it. Would the dress look as beautiful as the one you made without that much fabric? I don't like red for a dress from that period either. But if you can look at it as fantasy but historical inspired would that help? People will still see the quality of your work. I made a fantasy dress inspired by the 18th century on a verrrrrry busy gaming convention last Saturday. The train became a little problem later on the day when it became extremely busy but I could still manage to walk trough all those people. (The orange and creme dress) http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Fantasy/Chii/Chii&Freya2.jpg http://www.deredere.dds.nl/Fantasy/Chii/Chii&Freya2Back.jpg A lot of people loved the dress It is more a matter of adjusting the way you walk to the dress and the situation and remember that others won't be used to such dresses and will step on the skirts. Be alert to stop walking the moment you feel that someone is standing on your dress. Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Some years ago i made this danish court dress for a museum. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/mu7.htm > The dress is a reconstruktion of the french court style used in mid > 1700 in Denmark. > A young girl asked me to make another one for her, she want a red one. > It is to be used at the mannor house, when the 1700 fair takes place. > All this is outdoor activities at the mannor house, both servants and > the aristocracy are supposed to mingle together, take strows in the > courtyard, in the park, and so on. Tradesmen stands in the courtyard, > selling different kinds of goods. > I have some consern about this. > First i hate red, but she insists on this, and after all she pays, so > i accept this. ( would have preferred a dusty rose or something pastel) > Second i am conserned for her because she wil have difficulties > managing the big skirt. All the width of the pannier is pleated into > the waist, and there are many folds to manage. She agree that i dont > have to make the train, it would never have ben used outdoor anyway. > But shouldnt i try to convince her that it would be much easyer for > her to manage the skirt, if i make a seam in the middle of the > pannier. This way i dont have to make all the pleats, and much of the > width will be much more easy to manage for her? > Wished she would have ordered an other type of dress, but she dreams > about the courtdress. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 22 18:43:46 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MMhkVZ003804 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:43:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9MMhh1A016522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:43:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MMgibS088693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:42:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MMggtc079480; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9MMgdCt079422 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BAEB938112 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:42:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] new danish court dress Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:42:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <000601c6f5e5$36106d80$716ea450@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453BF420.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:43:47 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7fd104aa-8f69-4b8c-b4e6-818ceeb40f3e Status: RO Just curious as this is not a period of expertise for me, is the Fair expecting her to be as accurate as possible in attire? If so, was red worn and what shade of red, if worn? Would the red have been worn outdoors or was it saved for specific attire like a ballgown? Were trains worn outdoors or only for formal occasions? De -----Original Message----- Some years ago i made this danish court dress for a museum. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/mu7.htm The dress is a reconstruktion of the french court style used in mid 1700 in Denmark. A young girl asked me to make another one for her, she want a red one. It is to be used at the mannor house, when the 1700 fair takes place. All this is outdoor activities at the mannor house, both servants and the aristocracy are supposed to mingle together, take strows in the courtyard, in the park, and so on. Tradesmen stands in the courtyard, selling different kinds of goods. I have some consern about this. First i hate red, but she insists on this, and after all she pays, so i accept this. ( would have preferred a dusty rose or something pastel) Second i am conserned for her because she wil have difficulties managing the big skirt. All the width of the pannier is pleated into the waist, and there are many folds to manage. She agree that i dont have to make the train, it would never have ben used outdoor anyway. But shouldnt i try to convince her that it would be much easyer for her to manage the skirt, if i make a seam in the middle of the pannier. This way i dont have to make all the pleats, and much of the width will be much more easy to manage for her? Wished she would have ordered an other type of dress, but she dreams about the courtdress. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 11:31:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NFVfOF024340 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NFVZrE019356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:31:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NFUKjv030634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NFTjXu050858; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:29:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NFTbbU050593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:29:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 892FCD43C4; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B33D3ED0 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:28:58 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <001301c6f6b7$f83c3060$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, HTML_FONT_BIG=0.232,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pattern clearance continues X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453CE057.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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With regards as always Lorina and Gary Stephens Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 12:16:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NGGYEB025319 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:16:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NGGVsu027534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:16:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NGExeg038026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:15:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NGEKYa001288; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NGE0sU000829 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22168 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:13:56 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:13:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Thread-Index: Acb0v1nTAPUzAuzNSVOnLX13k88YewB/VFhw From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9NGE0sU000829 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453CEADF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:16:35 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0257a5be-70b6-4e71-9ced-79f7b9641df3 Status: RO I saw it Friday morning and even though I'm usually a stickler for historical accuracy, I could like it and appreciate it. As for the music, both modern and 18th century music is used throughout. I thought the modern music mostly works where it is placed. This film doesn't pretend to be historically accurate totally. I found it lots of fun, but to get it all, you should know your history going in. The costumes are far more accurate, than say, the 1938 version of Marie Antoinette or the 1922 silent Orphans of the Storm. Of course, everything is filtered through "what is attractive now the year the film was made" but the candy box colors for Versailles really works. Also we get to see a little of what MA's life was like at the Petit Trianon, which was Rousseau's vision of the rural pastoral, which I think, a film hasn't shown before. I just got "Queen of Fashion: What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution" if you prefer pure history and the movie book of "Marie Antoinette", which is the script and pics from the film, not the "making of the film Marie Antoinette" Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 12:57:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NGvqQT026010 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:57:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NGvnY7012839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:57:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NGuZt1044856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:56:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NGsec7048928; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9N56uQJ037010 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:07:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.be0.68102bf (39331) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 01:06:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453CF48D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:57:53 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 46be7eab-7c83-4c78-a4be-c960c6f85d48 Status: RO Isn't it chilly up there this time of year? Is she not to wear any kind of outerwear? Just wondering. There is something striking about the plainness...by which I mean the lack of applied decoration and components like a stomacher or open robe with a petticoat showing...about the design of the dress. I think outdoors in the cool air it will be quite fetching in a shade of red as striking as the un-fussy design. Not a bright fire engine red, but a ruby or dark crimson would be rich and beautiful. Perhaps you can show her swatches of available fabrics [only show her things you'd want to use!] Maybe even a Jacquard if a solid silk is just too much. The shimmering pattern all in red could look amazing. Even in two colors with red prominent could be suggested. Remember YOU are the designer, and "know better". She should trust you....at least as much as you should please her. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 13:12:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NHCJZ8026287 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:12:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NHCGbf028879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:12:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NHA7i8046683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NH4w1F058929; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [206.18.177.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NGdX2t031743 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:39:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20061023163925b11008ctqje>; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:39:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:39:24 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453CF7F0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:12:19 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: fcb7ec1d-4353-4acd-9499-8477f0de7e4d Status: RO The 1938 film was on tv last night and I caught snippets of it in between sewing. It was quite romantic and lovely, as are those old Hollywood flicks from that era. How accurate is it in terms of history, not costuming? Sylrog On Oct 23, 2006, at 10:13 AM, Abel, Cynthia wrote: > > I saw it Friday morning and even though I'm usually a stickler for > historical accuracy, I could like it and appreciate it. As for the > music, both modern and 18th century music is used throughout. I > thought > the modern music mostly works where it is placed. This film doesn't > pretend to be historically accurate totally. I found it lots of fun, > but > to get it all, you should know your history going in. > > The costumes are far more accurate, than say, the 1938 version of Marie > Antoinette or the 1922 silent Orphans of the Storm. Of course, > everything is filtered through "what is attractive now the year the > film > was made" but the candy box colors for Versailles really works. Also we > get to see a little of what MA's life was like at the Petit Trianon, > which was Rousseau's vision of the rural pastoral, which I think, a > film > hasn't shown before. > > I just got "Queen of Fashion: What Marie Antoinette Wore to the > Revolution" if you prefer pure history and the movie book of "Marie > Antoinette", which is the script and pics from the film, not the > "making > of the film Marie Antoinette" > > Cindy Abel > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 13:22:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NHMafY026490 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:22:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NHMXmp027533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:22:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NHLbUx048565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:21:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NHJlNt075026; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:19:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9NE9UvN062445 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2006102310092310470 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:09:23 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NE9Far003375 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:09:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Event query Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:09:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453CFA59.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:22:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: a0e77339-b77d-4742-87eb-01b83a23e914 Status: RO Sorry this is so late but just received this from a friend -- about the event - it was a celebration of frst record in ristorical dokuments about Hradec Kralove - 781 years. Hradec Kralove is a town in Czech rep., and the name of celebration was: "Hradec Kralove in the mirror of centuries alias celebration of Queen Elisabeth" (Elisabeth I of Bohemia (born 20 January 1292, died 28 September 1330) was Queen of Bohemia, daughter of King Wenceslaus II, wife of John of Luxembourg (who became King of Bohemia in her name), and mother of King of Bohemia and Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV.) Kate 609-570-3584 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 14:36:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NIZxmh028174 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:35:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NIZuEc013487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:35:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NIY59e062457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NIXekd059526; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:33:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NITUOo054559 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:30:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061023182907.OVBA21698.fep30.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:29:07 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.108]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061023182907.RVMF15236.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:29:07 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c6f6d1$34e99980$6c43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:29:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.108] at Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:29:05 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453D0B8C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress > Isn't it chilly up there this time of year? Is she not to wear any kind of > outerwear? Just wondering. > > There is something striking about the plainness...by which I mean the lack > of applied decoration and components like a stomacher or open robe with a > petticoat showing...about the design of the dress. I think outdoors in the > cool > air it will be quite fetching in a shade of red as striking as the > un-fussy > design. Not a bright fire engine red, but a ruby or dark crimson would be > rich > and beautiful. Perhaps you can show her swatches of available fabrics > [only > show her things you'd want to use!] Maybe even a Jacquard if a solid silk > is > just too much. The shimmering pattern all in red could look amazing. Even > in > two colors with red prominent could be suggested. Remember YOU are the > designer, and "know better". She should trust you....at least as much as > you should > please her. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 17:42:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLg2Q5031818 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:42:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NLfvaC021380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:42:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLa0LX097473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLZldE067407; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NHbdqO094355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9NHbQSF024684 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:37:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:37:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <52406.65.117.156.5.1161625046.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:37:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pants tayloring question ... 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Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 17:42:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLguRE031835 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:42:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NLgrja024339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:42:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLfSIS098321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:41:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLfLZo073392; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:41:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NI5KP6027132 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:05:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.181.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.181]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gc4Ai-0003LB-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:05:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Event query Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:04:49 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453D375D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:42:57 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 57ae9b66-162e-45ce-b8e6-a0e923581c4d Status: RO Thanks very much, Kate! I come from a town in New Jersey that celebrated its 300th birthday in 1963. We thought it was a big deal, but the towns of Europe certainly dwarf that. Come to think of it, what a nice celebration we could have had if we had staged an event in the clothing styles of 1663. I wish period reenacting had been a "thing" back then.... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer (original poster of query) On Oct 23, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Kate Pinner wrote: > Sorry this is so late but just received this from a friend -- > > about the event - it was a celebration of frst record in ristorical > dokuments about Hradec Kralove - 781 years. Hradec Kralove is a > town in > Czech rep., and the name of celebration was: "Hradec Kralove in the > mirror of centuries alias celebration of Queen Elisabeth" (Elisabeth I > of Bohemia (born 20 January 1292, died 28 September 1330) was Queen of > Bohemia, daughter of King Wenceslaus II, wife of John of Luxembourg > (who > became King of Bohemia in her name), and mother of King of Bohemia and > Holy Roman Emperor Charles IV.) > > > Kate > 609-570-3584 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 17:46:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLk2o3031890 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:46:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NLjxgd027214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:46:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLjU4l098963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLiNCm076702; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:44:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NItQL8084649 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 23 Oct 2006 19:55:20 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAL2sPEXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACBTIpWAgIHDgcGHQ Received: from 88-107-113-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.113.41]:2496 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gc4wt-000O1p-IU for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:54:59 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061023195045.032cea28@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:52:42 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress In-Reply-To: <001601c6f6d1$34e99980$6c43a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <001601c6f6d1$34e99980$6c43a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453D3817.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:46:02 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: e94fde62-db28-465c-90a0-14049e6fcbd2 Status: RO At 19:29 23/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi Cynthia, >Yes it is getting chilly here now, but the dress is not going to be >used in wintertime. The fair takes place in june, so its fine. >I did send her some suggestions of reds i would like, but i am >afraid she want a real red, like christmas red :-(. >But we have not desided to buy silk yeat, i am going to make a >cotton model first, and maybe on its way, and when she gets here to >fit, ill talk her into some more 18th century reds. I think that >this solid red, only was used for uniforms and hunting costumes? >Maybe i could persuade her to go and watch Marie Antoinette next >month, to get a feeling of the collours. It opens here nov. 17th. >What a brilliant idea! I could go with her........... tata tata......... > >Bjarne There were plain reds Bjarne. Hogarth painted at least one lady at a wedding I believe - can't lay my hands on the book right now. And one of the Queens (Marie Leczinskia?) had herself painted in red velvet with a knotting shuttle? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 17:47:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLlhwv031913 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:47:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NLlc1E026425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:47:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLktlY099176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NLklUg079470; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NJJjCF012437 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061023191940.QKAN10036.fep34.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:19:40 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.108]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061023191940.RXLL8942.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:19:40 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c6f6d8$43722240$6c43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:20:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.108] at Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:19:32 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453D387A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:47:44 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b2d405d3-f61e-469f-8157-cd80d666c176 Status: RO Hi There is a portrait with prinsesse Adelaide i think, a sister to Louis XV wearing a red courtdress, its more like burgundy, and it has embroidered stars on it. Mauritia made a copy of this courtdress. But when it comes to Denmark its another story, because i have seen many portraits of danish nobility ladies wearing the french courtstyle, but they only wear it in grey or off white. About it was used to have a train outdoors, i really dont know, but i know that her train would be very messy very very quickly. But its no problem as she realise this, so we have given up the train. My guess of the courtdress use, would be only at court, and only indoors. Mostly used when the royalty is pressent. Why so many portraits of ladies wearing this style? My guess is that it would have ben their finest dress and therefore often seen in portraits, because they want to show that they were allowed to be pressent at court. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 12:42 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] new danish court dress > Just curious as this is not a period of expertise for me, is the Fair > expecting her to be as accurate as possible in attire? > If so, was red worn and what shade of red, if worn? > Would the red have been worn outdoors or was it saved for specific attire > like a ballgown? > Were trains worn outdoors or only for formal occasions? > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 18:15:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMFCP5032321 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:15:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NMFA40024635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:15:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMEkPZ004983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:14:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMEfOL012572; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.222]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMEanZ012318 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:14:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.10.12]) by bay0-omc3-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:14:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:14:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.128.141 by BAY121-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:14:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.128.141] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <52406.65.117.156.5.1161625046.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants tayloring question ... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:15:13 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 32321484-056b-4fff-a1b5-f8af7e002312 Status: RO It's a waist to crotch length problem, if you sit the trousers where you want them to sit in the crotch, then mark a new waistline, moving the waistband down, you'll fix that problem. It's one of those looks that seems popular today, but because of my training, drives me crazy! Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] Pants tayloring question ... > On a Lady, if the front of the pants buckle as if there was a > 'package' there but there is not cause it is a lady ... how do you > fix that? Is it a hip fitting problem? Is it a waist to crotch > length problem? > > Help ... > Chiara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 18:41:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMfdhV032753 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:41:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NMfavV020896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:41:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMf4gJ009342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMeoKS039372; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMej1C039187 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:40:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from cheslaptop (c-24-1-85-230.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.85.230]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20061023224040m15009ji9ce>; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:40:40 +0000 Message-ID: <091d01c6f6f4$472b7000$050ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <52406.65.117.156.5.1161625046.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants tayloring question ... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:41:40 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 8cfbbeeb-a4c3-4104-af6d-0370ca781a4e Status: RO Drives me bananas!! I hate it when I get the perfect pair done and then that pop's up. Sigh. Fixing as we email ... Thank you so much! :) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants tayloring question ... > It's a waist to crotch length problem, if you sit the trousers where you > want them to sit in the crotch, then mark a new waistline, moving the > waistband down, you'll fix that problem. > > It's one of those looks that seems popular today, but because of my > training, drives me crazy! > > Kelly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 2:37 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Pants tayloring question ... > > >> On a Lady, if the front of the pants buckle as if there was a >> 'package' there but there is not cause it is a lady ... how do you >> fix that? Is it a hip fitting problem? Is it a waist to crotch >> length problem? >> >> Help ... >> Chiara >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 18:45:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMjegW000356 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:45:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9NMjbwb024220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:45:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMj8KM010172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:45:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMj7iF043746; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3j.socket.net [216.106.88.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9NMj371043692 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 19C6B3D956 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:45:03 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] new danish court dress Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:45:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20061023195045.032cea28@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453D4611.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:45:40 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 535dc490-7c62-4199-96d1-c91d3b7ddc87 Status: RO http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:William_Hogarth_035.jpg I have only been able to find to portraits of Marie Leczinska, Queen of France. neither one is red. Though this one does have red flowers on it. http://pintura.aut.org/BU04?Autnum=13.031 http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=27417 Marie Antoinette, Redingcote? http://www.batguano.com/VLBmarie85.jpg Red dresses http://www.batguano.com/VLBmarieDIA.jpg http://www.batguano.com/VLB13.jpg not red but lavendar, just like the dress and color :) http://www.ladyreading.net/marieantoinette/big/marie124.jpg De -----Original Message----- There were plain reds Bjarne. Hogarth painted at least one lady at a wedding I believe - can't lay my hands on the book right now. And one of the Queens (Marie Leczinskia?) had herself painted in red velvet with a knotting shuttle? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:49:42 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 6473e961-aad0-4248-895c-fd648808d94a Status: RO Well let me make it clear - if the extra fabric is above the crotch or along the hipline or above then it would be a too-long-waist situation and shortening the 'rise' would be in order. If the excess fabric is below the hip in the crotch area as where a man might 'dress' (left or right) that would be a too open a leg and you would need to take in the crotch seam possibly only in the front (and lengthen the trousers to compensate the raising of the trouser) to remove the excess. If this excess is only on one side like a man - take in the offending side only. One opinion Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- > On a Lady, if the front of the pants buckle as if there was a > 'package' there but there is not cause it is a lady ... how do you > fix that? Is it a hip fitting problem? Is it a waist to crotch > length problem? > > Help ... > Chiara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 23 23:38:05 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O3c5hh005035 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:38:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9O3c2Be029638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:38:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O3bWo4058827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:37:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O3bNBi005560; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:37:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O3bGnA005460 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:37:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 90FCE3665C for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:37:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:37:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Red dress RE: new danish court dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453D8A9A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:38:06 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c0617b20-ce48-4d7b-92f6-7eaff5c56273 Status: RO After have a real good look at these two dresses I come to figure out that they are the same dress. De -----Original Message----- Marie Antoinette, Red dresses http://www.batguano.com/VLBmarieDIA.jpg http://www.batguano.com/VLB13.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 00:43:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O4hbSG006094 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:43:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9O4hYK2011004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:43:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O4h1Eb068908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:43:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O4gwgu057491; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O4gsqb057443 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:42:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8511861033C; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:36:33 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Red dress RE: new danish court dress Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:42:53 -0700 Message-ID: <002601c6f726$de417ed0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453D99F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:43:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7b6e9ab4-a0d6-482e-b263-dc31b22529ea Status: RO The sleeves are different. Could one be a "remake" of the other? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 8:37 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Red dress RE: new danish court dress After have a real good look at these two dresses I come to figure out that they are the same dress. De -----Original Message----- Marie Antoinette, Red dresses http://www.batguano.com/VLBmarieDIA.jpg http://www.batguano.com/VLB13.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 02:02:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O620lR007931 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:02:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9O61vwM025755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:02:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O61TJW078508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:01:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O61PGR013011; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O61LwE012921 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.239.1de3f21b (43933) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:01:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <239.1de3f21b.326f0628@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:01:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Marie Antoinette To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453DAC55.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:02:01 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b7a01baf-cf10-4f20-b864-8c4704e77158 Status: RO In a message dated 10/23/2006 2:06:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sylvia@ntw.net writes: How accurate is it in terms of history, not costuming? ******************** Speaking, rather than not, of the costumes.... Well, Adrian did them so as far as costumes go, they are spectacular, if not accurate. He apparently used as much real 18th century lace as he could get his hands on. If I remember rightly, Norma Shearer wears a number of real diamonds in her hair, and they had to build a replica of the ballroom at Versailles...only BIGGER to accommodate the huge panniers. That's right, bigger....than Versailles.... well, it is Hollywood. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 02:08:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O68ucq010578 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:08:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9O68qwN007766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:08:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O681Nj079079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O681tI017357; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:08:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O67uRY017301 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 46E0B362D3 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:07:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Red dress RE: new danish court dress Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:08:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002601c6f726$de417ed0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453DADF4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:08:57 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: bb270265-01fc-4384-ab4d-6088f10e3e49 Status: RO Perhaps the family portrait is the earlier version of the dress as the singular portrait looks to be closer to a Pre-Empire transition dress. Or the latter picture is a post mortum painting. De -----Original Message----- The sleeves are different. Could one be a "remake" of the other? -----Original Message----- After have a real good look at these two dresses I come to figure out that they are the same dress. De -----Original Message----- Marie Antoinette, Red dresses http://www.batguano.com/VLBmarieDIA.jpg http://www.batguano.com/VLB13.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 02:56:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O6uHhl028366 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:56:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9O6uD5u011513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:56:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O6tjoh084216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O6tg07050619; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:55:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (cumulus.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9O6tc9R050569 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.190]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AAC680C5 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:55:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-121.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-121.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.121]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:55:36 +1000 Message-ID: <1161672936.453db8e82d1d9@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:55:36 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants tayloring question ... 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:56:17 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 300b44c6-0305-4931-98be-0e9b1525c388 Status: RO A difficult one to respond to without more precise information however, if the package referred to is the male package, the following may help... Take a little out above the fork of the trousers. Female hip/seat measurements are generally wider than male ones so there may be some extention needed there (often, you can split the centre-back and create a little more there but not much. Hope this helps, -C. > On a Lady, if the front of the pants buckle as if there was a > 'package' there but there is not cause it is a lady ... how do you > fix that? Is it a hip fitting problem? Is it a waist to crotch > length problem? ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 06:36:15 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OAaEGV004396 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:36:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9OAaB70023860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:36:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OAZ6xk020091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:35:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OAYqbJ019810; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OAYDx3019330 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c84.5ae8694 (57293) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:34:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Help with a term X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453DEC9B.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:36:15 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9609ffcc-3417-4b4e-9b52-a75e5237a322 Status: RO Dear List, I'm seeking help with the use of the term "mittens" as it refers to late eighteenth century men. I know that what we call "mitts"--the fingerless gloves for women, were also called "mittens." But what about for men? Does the term refer to a fingerless glove, or what we today think of as mittens--that is, a hand covering with no separations for fingers? They are listed in some inventories, and seem to be knitted wool. I would appreciate any insight. Thanks. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 08:24:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OCOCoi014503 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9OCO78w021813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OCN9mx036584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:23:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OCN2Bn010949; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:23:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OCDNuD001578 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 06:13:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c38.603b602 (58550) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:13:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:13:12 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 670 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 685 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453E05E7.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:24:13 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: cb4119a2-5d28-4155-a93e-e8845867aac9 Status: RO It's possible the could have been either, but I'd be tempted to think of them more as gloves with no separation for the fingers (or with only one, so you effectively have three fingers). In a message dated 10/24/06 11:36:38 AM GMT Daylight Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Dear List, > I'm seeking help with the use of the term "mittens" as it refers to late > eighteenth century men. I know that what we call "mitts"--the fingerless > gloves > for women, were also called "mittens." But what about for men? Does the > term refer to a fingerless glove, or what we today think of as > mittens--that > is, a hand covering with no separations for fingers? They are listed in > some > inventories, and seem to be knitted wool. > > I would appreciate any insight. > > Thanks. > > Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 10:25:00 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OEP0fx017839 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:25:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9OEOtxW030740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:25:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OENMmR054735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:23:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OENE1v022939; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:23:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OENA9I022847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9OEN8cb081179 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:23:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <54382.65.117.156.5.1161699791.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <1161672936.453db8e82d1d9@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <52406.65.117.156.5.1161625046.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <1161672936.453db8e82d1d9@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pants tayloring question ... From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453E2237.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:25:00 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 30dd3f24-4708-49bb-a7d3-0fc9a3fc07ef Status: RO Thank you but the other suggestion offered up actually work out well. No more extra fold in front, lays flat when I sit. :) But thank you for your response, I never knew that this area was referred to as the 'fork' of the trousers. What is the history on the term? Chiara On Tue, October 24, 2006 1:55 am, stilskin@netspace.net.au said: > A difficult one to respond to without more precise information > however, if the > package referred to is the male package, the following may help... > > Take a little out above the fork of the trousers. > > Female hip/seat measurements are generally wider than male ones so > there may be > some extention needed there (often, you can split the centre-back > and create a > little more there but not much. > > Hope this helps, > > -C. > > >> On a Lady, if the front of the pants buckle as if there was a >> 'package' there but there is not cause it is a lady ... how do you >> fix that? Is it a hip fitting problem? Is it a waist to crotch >> length problem? > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: > http://www.netspace.net.au > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 16:11:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OKBD1P027312 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:11:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9OKB9ZB009318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:11:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OK9mMl009632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OK8e83011927; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:08:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OK8EAK011311 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.460.7b0ca99 (14457) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:07:54 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: <460.7b0ca99.326fcc9a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:07:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453E735D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:11:13 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 52c07c4c-0e00-4647-aeeb-215519fbe38c Status: RO In a message dated 10/23/2006 6:45:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: Marie Antoinette, Redingcote? http://www.batguano.com/VLBmarie85.jpg Red dresses http://www.batguano.com/VLBmarieDIA.jpg http://www.batguano.com/VLB13.jpg ******************* Notice how heavy the red fabrics are and the decided lack of flowers as decoration, not to mention the use of fur to trim things out instead. I think red is perhaps considered mainly a winter color. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 18:25:55 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OMPtHi030181 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:25:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9OMPqTq014562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:25:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OMOHi6036664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:24:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OMODjK062697; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:24:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OMO8Bq062531 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:24:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061024222404.LUNF12460.fep33.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:24:04 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.128]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061024222404.SUUG16068.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:24:04 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c6f7bb$2f9f6c80$80e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <460.7b0ca99.326fcc9a@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:24:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.128] at Wed, 25 Oct 2006 00:23:59 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453E92F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:25:56 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b9df2843-3c9a-4e47-a502-1e89cf0c2a2d Status: RO Hi, Here is a link to Mauritias website, where she shows a red courtdress she made after a portrait of Adelaide: http://www.mauritia.de/en/rococo/adelaide.html I suggested my customer, a red like this, but she thoaght it was two brown reddish. I like this collour, but i am excited what she ends up with. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress > > In a message dated 10/23/2006 6:45:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > otsisto@socket.net writes: > > Marie Antoinette, > Redingcote? > http://www.batguano.com/VLBmarie85.jpg > Red dresses > http://www.batguano.com/VLBmarieDIA.jpg > http://www.batguano.com/VLB13.jpg > > > > > ******************* > Notice how heavy the red fabrics are and the decided lack of flowers as > decoration, not to mention the use of fur to trim things out instead. I > think red > is perhaps considered mainly a winter color. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 21:52:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9P1qmQI002417 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9P1qjmv001730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9P1p08N072991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9P1op2x054362; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9OEm21k049747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:48:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9OElkgg084300 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:47:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:47:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <2079.65.117.156.5.1161701269.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:47:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with a term From: "Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453EC36D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:52:48 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 1ef5f553-1afb-42a7-a03c-c14046fa1f32 Status: RO I would have to look at a few books when I get home tonight but I believe the first textual reference to a man's (specifically) hand covering was Handschuh, a german term. Not at the same time but later was Eausthandschuh for mitten. I have to look it up but I believe that farmers used a hand covering that was basically three fingers and those were termed mits. These later became the armoured mit used by Pole Arm fighters in the wars. You can see illuminations of fighters with these on as they fight with Pole Arms. Marc Carlson has a webpage that talks about these: http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/cloth/gloves/gloves.htm According to The Complete Encyclopedia of Arms & Weapons ed. Leonid Tarassuk and Claude Blair: Under "Gauntlets" Plate gauntlets replaced chain mail gauntlets worn over leather gloves. "In fact the oldest type of plate gauntlet on record, dating to the early 14th century, replaced the mail glove and was similar to the wide-cuffed leather gauntlet worn today by motorcyclists. It, too, was made of leather but covered with small riveted lames." The book goes on to discuss early 15th century articulated finger gauntlets, then the fact that mitten gauntlets became popular from early 15th to the first half of the 16th. They were always worn with a leather glove." An important variation to emerge during the third quarter of the 15th century was the gauntlet with a particularly long pointed cuff. However today mit is in reference to an kitchen hand protection or a baseball hand covering. Do not take this a difinitive truth. I am only pulling from a vague set of facts from memory here. With the exception of the quote on armoured gauntlets, that is from my book links on my glove website. Does that help any? Go ahead and google the german term for it for futher reading, if you can read german it is a plus. :) Chiara On Tue, October 24, 2006 5:34 am, AnnBWass@aol.com said: > Dear List, > I'm seeking help with the use of the term "mittens" as it refers to > late > eighteenth century men. I know that what we call "mitts"--the > fingerless gloves > for women, were also called "mittens." But what about for men? > Does the > term refer to a fingerless glove, or what we today think of as > mittens--that > is, a hand covering with no separations for fingers? They are > listed in some > inventories, and seem to be knitted wool. > > I would appreciate any insight. > > Thanks. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 24 23:58:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9P3wX77004910 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:58:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9P3wUS9019807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 23:58:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9P3w1MA092791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9P3vwhJ064592; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2.socket.net [216.106.88.39]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9P3vswG064540 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:57:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D70B352E3 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:57:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] new danish court dress Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:58:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <000601c6f7bb$2f9f6c80$80e73f50@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453EE0E6.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 13:37:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PHb3T0023890 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:37:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9PHb0Ch021201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PHZkLK012448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PHZTAs068293; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PHZGtk068052 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 11:35:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.210.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.210]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Gcmeo-0006iH-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:35:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with a term Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:34:53 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453FA0BC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:37:04 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4c713e9d-3524-4246-b267-4bf987838e99 Status: RO I know the OED may not be very technical when it comes to garment details, but supporting/illustrative quotations for Definition 1-- "a covering for the hand, differing from a glove in having no divisions for the fingers, but provided with a separate receptacle for the thumb; worn either for warmth, or (e.g. by hedgers and other workmen) to protect the hand from injury or pain in handling something"--go back to Chaucer ("He that his hand wol putte in this Mitayn He shal haue multipliyng of his grayn"--Pardoner's Prologue, ca. 1386) and include Middleton in 1742 ("a large Pair of Beaver Mittings...which reach up as high as our Elbows") and Sir Walter Scott in 1818, Heart of the Midlothian ("hastily and confusedly searching for his worsted mittens and staff"). Most of the examples in between refer to "mittens" without any mention of the material of which they're made; two besides the Middleton mention "furred" mittens. Unfortunately for your question, Definition 2 is "a sort of glove of lace or knitted work covering the forearm, wrist, and part of the hand, but not extending over the fingers; much worn by women at the beginning of the nineteenth century ...Now more commonly "mitt." This definition appears (without the "much worn by women," of course) in Johnson's Dictionary of 1755. Possibly useful to you is the fact that all the other quotations are references to "her" mittens, either silk or worsted, although that doesn't mean the OED editors didn't omit some example where the mittens were worn by a male....Their purpose was to define the word, not help us costumers and specialists.... Is this any help? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 24, 2006, at 6:34 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > Dear List, > I'm seeking help with the use of the term "mittens" as it refers to > late > eighteenth century men. I know that what we call "mitts"--the > fingerless gloves > for women, were also called "mittens." But what about for men? > Does the > term refer to a fingerless glove, or what we today think of as > mittens--that > is, a hand covering with no separations for fingers? They are > listed in some > inventories, and seem to be knitted wool. > > I would appreciate any insight. > > Thanks. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 14:03:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PI3a72024634 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:03:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9PI3XX4011840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:03:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PI2wDp016957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PI2ciN097694; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:02:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PI2E2G097052 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 12:02:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c8c.11ccff1 (57341) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:01:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:01:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Help with a term To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 453FA6F5.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:03:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: b459f70f-79f3-42c7-9caa-277ab10b03f3 Status: RO In a message dated 10/25/2006 1:37:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ruthanneb@mindspring.com writes: Is this any help? I didn't want to leap to the conclusion that "men wore knitted wool mittens" without some kind of back up, but I think I'll accept the OED's 1st citation, along with pictured/extant examples, as good enough in this case. Thanks to all who responded. 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Thanks, Lady Von _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 18:51:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PMp8jg000503 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:51:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9PMp4vX016830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:51:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PMnuw4070029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PMnlvP004324; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PMnfJT004099 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id u.c45.663a9af (52359) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-r37 (mblk-r37.mblk.aol.com [152.163.179.36]) by ciaaol-r03.mx.aol.com (v113.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR039-cc87453fe9f13b4; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:49:21 -0400 To: h-costume@net.indra.com Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:49:21 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 20836 Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com (152.163.179.36) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:49:21 -0400 Message-Id: <8C8C69EF23C330F-E60-1F5C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.179.36 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1690s hunting gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 453FEA58.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:51:08 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 410b76d7-b38f-4b81-8db8-ec0a04cbfbb7 Status: RO Hi guys. I'm in the planning stages of a 1690s hunting gown, and I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out the sleeves. In this engraving: http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1690/1690f1.jpg , what is the purpose of the tasseled ribbon tied around her wrist? And isn't her Steinkirk backwards? I've been trying to figure out the cuffs on this one: http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1690_1.shtml . I think what I'm seeing is a big dog-eared cuff that belongs to the overcoat, a flat, notched cuff that belongs to the waistcoat, and a big puffy chemise sleeve with one ruffle. The chemise goes almost to the wrist, but the other two sleeves go just past the elbow. Is this correct, or are the two outer sleeves pushed up? And is the ruffle on the chemise made of the same fabric as the chemise, or would it be wide lace? None of the pictures I've found confirm that gloves would be worn with this outfit, but surely you wore gloves to go hunting? I found these pictures: http://tinyurl.com/ygo7lr and: http://tinyurl.com/ync28z of extant gloves, but are these women's gloves? Would either pair go with a hunting gown? Thanks for your help! Tea Rose ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:54:39 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9803b4c2-afd3-495d-be94-36e3523aaf36 Status: RO I am searching for a source of laquered bamboo for making Japanese fans. I have the washi paper (you all should see it! Peacocks set in 24k!!) and either need to make my own laquered bamboo or purchase it. Any help would be appreciated. Yes, I googled ... still need references of places though. I may have missed a search query type or two. :) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 19:39:30 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PNdUnD001878 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:39:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9PNdRBe023090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:39:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PNcQWh002810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PNcMs9055712; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpout.eastlink.ca (smtpout.eastlink.ca [24.222.0.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PNcGU0055549 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sjpaterson@tru.eastlink.ca) Received: from ip02.eastlink.ca ([24.222.10.10]) by mta01.eastlink.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J7P00AXJTP9PX70@mta01.eastlink.ca> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:39:09 -0300 (ADT) Received: from blk-137-68-3.eastlink.ca (HELO THIRDFLOOR) ([24.137.68.3]) by ip02.eastlink.ca with SMTP; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:38:09 -0300 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:38:04 -0300 From: SPaterson Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1690s hunting gown To: Historical Costume Message-id: <000701c6f88e$a046d940$6501a8c0@THIRDFLOOR> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAFyRP0UYiUQD/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.09,358,1157338800"; d="scan'208"; a="873179124:sNHT25640580" X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:39:31 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 28383f06-7101-4f17-8760-e03f6145a632 Status: RO Well my guess is that the tasseled ribbon is a fancy lanyard on her walking stick/riding crop. I am not convinced the sleeves are fore-shortened in cut but I am not a late 17thc re-enactor - but the chemise ruffles could be either lace or fabric - I have seen both and I think it speaks to wealth and status. Sarah Paterson ----- Original Message ----- > Hi guys. I'm in the planning stages of a 1690s hunting gown, and I was > wondering if anyone could help me figure out the sleeves. > > In this engraving: > http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1690/1690f1.jpg , what is > the purpose of the tasseled ribbon tied around her wrist? And isn't her > Steinkirk backwards? > > I've been trying to figure out the cuffs on this one: > http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1690_1.shtml . I think what I'm seeing > is a big dog-eared cuff that belongs to the overcoat, a flat, notched cuff > that belongs to the waistcoat, and a big puffy chemise sleeve with one > ruffle. The chemise goes almost to the wrist, but the other two sleeves go > just past the elbow. Is this correct, or are the two outer sleeves pushed > up? And is the ruffle on the chemise made of the same fabric as the > chemise, or would it be wide lace? > > None of the pictures I've found confirm that gloves would be worn with > this outfit, but surely you wore gloves to go hunting? I found these > pictures: http://tinyurl.com/ygo7lr and: http://tinyurl.com/ync28z of > extant gloves, but are these women's gloves? Would either pair go with a > hunting gown? > > Thanks for your help! > Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 20:16:08 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q0G4LM002710 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:16:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q0G1vu022261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:16:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q0ChN9008142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:12:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q0C4iP009085; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PN7fw6024254 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c64.34a4749 (52328) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d03.mail.aol.com (v113.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD0310-cc68453fee297e; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:07:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <8C8C69EF23C330F-E60-1F5C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8C69EF23C330F-E60-1F5C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0ab2cad4718c9a9175e90ed88c8e713a@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1690s hunting gown Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:07:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 453FFE41.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:16:04 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 799a942a-3d06-4307-81e4-6b05e81120da Status: RO On Oct 25, 2006, at 6:49 PM, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > In this engraving: > http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1690/1690f1.jpg , > what is the purpose of the tasseled ribbon tied around her wrist? If Hunting means riding a horse to hunt, then this tassle is from the riding crop. Keeps you from dropping it and having to get off the horse to pick it up. Or having your Groom get it for you. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 21:39:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q1dlVb004854 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q1diiU019950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q1dCwF023637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:39:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q1d9iU089171; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:39:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q1d6jR089054 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cc4.1267b41 (41809) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:38:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] new danish court dress To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 454011E0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:47 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 804a0c20-c862-442f-9c84-03f667a83a45 Status: RO In a message dated 10/25/2006 4:37:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, otsisto@socket.net writes: He said the event was to be in June, during the "warmer" months. De -----Original Message----- Isn't it chilly up there this time of year? Is she not to wear any kind of outerwear? Just wondering. **************** I know! But when I hit the "send" button to my post, he had not mentioned the time of the event. He did however in the 2 FRIGGIN' DAYS it took for my post to show up. Why did it spend 2 days lost in cyber-space? Anyway, I hope he can get his client to chose a yummy red...like rich ruby...and something like a Jacquard. The expanse of skirt looks great with a pattern, and a one color pattern like a Jacquard would be sumptuous. It'll be drop dead gorgeous no matter what the fabric turns out to be, doncha think? After all, it is Bjarne.... Remember the film "Queen Margo"? I don't like it much but the gowns [practically all of them] were unadorned but made of jacquards and brocades and the look [a different period, it's true] was striking in that is was kinda modern but still period. Alas, every dress was identical, just in a different fabric. All the sleeves were the same....in a period about sleeves! So overall the costumes suck. But taken individually, the gowns with tight boned bodices and full skirts all of one patterned fabric had a striking effect. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 22:04:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q24aI2005505 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:04:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q24Xvs027616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:04:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q232e5026877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:03:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q23092008182; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:03:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q22vga008044 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c61.56d19e4 (41809) for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:02:49 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:02:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1690s hunting gown To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 454017B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:04:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: a259df9a-0719-42b8-9384-e686d36f707a Status: RO In a message dated 10/25/2006 6:51:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tearoses@aol.com writes: In this engraving: http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1690/1690f1.jpg , what is the purpose of the tasseled ribbon tied around her wrist? And isn't her Steinkirk backwards? The ribbon with the tassel is a loop on the walking stick. And the coat would close like a man's, left over right so maybe the Steinkirk is not backwards. I've been trying to figure out the cuffs on this one: http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1690_1.shtml . I think what I'm seeing is a big dog-eared cuff that belongs to the overcoat, a flat, notched cuff that belongs to the waistcoat, and a big puffy chemise sleeve with one ruffle. The chemise goes almost to the wrist, but the other two sleeves go just past the elbow. Is this correct, or are the two outer sleeves pushed up? And is the ruffle on the chemise made of the same fabric as the chemise, or would it be wide lace? You are correct. In men's clothes it's just the same, with the sleeve long enough [or a little longer] to reach the wrist if the cuff is NOT turned up. Therefore you get a short-ish sleeve when you actually turn up the cuff. Waistcoat cuffs often show peaking out underneath, or even sometimes turned up over the coat cuff. For real hunting I think I'd make the ruffle on the chemise the same fabric as the shirt. This style is of course in imitation of male costume, and may have been made by a tailor rather than a seamstress. For that reason I like the idea of the chemise really just being a shirt. None of the pictures I've found confirm that gloves would be worn with this outfit, If you look closely at the second illustration you posted, you'll see she is wearing gloves. You can see the seam of the thumb piece. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 22:28:04 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q2RxPt006242 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:27:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q2RuPu024403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:28:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PNNYXN076619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PNNKaj040235; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:23:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9PNNEJu040106 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A0622CBE02D2; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:16:50 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1690s hunting gown Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:23:15 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c6f88c$8bf1b020$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <8C8C69EF23C330F-E60-1F5C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:28:00 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 178eb372-1e7c-4a1d-8686-af1e63a3791e Status: RO I think the tassel is actually a handle for her riding crop. Modern crops still have them, just not so fancy. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of tearoses@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:49 PM To: h-costume@net.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] 1690s hunting gown Hi guys. I'm in the planning stages of a 1690s hunting gown, and I was wondering if anyone could help me figure out the sleeves. In this engraving: http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1690/1690f1.jpg , what is the purpose of the tasseled ribbon tied around her wrist? And isn't her Steinkirk backwards? I've been trying to figure out the cuffs on this one: http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1690_1.shtml . I think what I'm seeing is a big dog-eared cuff that belongs to the overcoat, a flat, notched cuff that belongs to the waistcoat, and a big puffy chemise sleeve with one ruffle. The chemise goes almost to the wrist, but the other two sleeves go just past the elbow. Is this correct, or are the two outer sleeves pushed up? And is the ruffle on the chemise made of the same fabric as the chemise, or would it be wide lace? None of the pictures I've found confirm that gloves would be worn with this outfit, but surely you wore gloves to go hunting? I found these pictures: http://tinyurl.com/ygo7lr and: http://tinyurl.com/ync28z of extant gloves, but are these women's gloves? Would either pair go with a hunting gown? Thanks for your help! Tea Rose ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 22:40:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q2eZgU006758 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:40:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q2eUeG021060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:40:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q2dwIZ033013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q2drkf040868; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:39:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3j.socket.net [216.106.88.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q2dm5j040806 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB1923D915 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:39:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1690s hunting gown Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:40:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <8C8C69EF23C330F-E60-1F5C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4540201E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I found these pictures: http://tinyurl.com/ygo7lr and: http://tinyurl.com/ync28z of extant gloves, but are these women's gloves? Would either pair go with a hunting gown? Thanks for your help! Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Oct 25 23:26:09 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q3Q9d1008180 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:26:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q3Q6ss004209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:26:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q3Ph5n039215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:25:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q3Pebj077859; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:25:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3j.socket.net [216.106.88.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q3PaTf077813 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FD583D8B1 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:25:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] new danish court dress Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:25:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45402ACE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:26:10 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 37acef61-1970-425a-bce8-489aac9b895e Status: RO My concern would be her skin tone. The wrong red with pale skin might make her look like a bride of Dracula which I don't think that is the look she is wanting. This will also be a summer month so a medium to pastel color would be more in tune with the day atmosphere (evening is another thing). The question is when "dream" is used with this dress, is it a "I have always fancied this dress but in a shade of red" or "I had a dream that I was wearing this dress but in the color of red". My NA side tells me that if the former then one should try to negotiate. If the latter, there is no negotiation, the dress needs to be red and as close of a shade of red that was in the dream. As for the delays in post, have you appeased your cyber-gods lately? :) Actually from time to time it happens with just about everyone. I had a post delayed 10 days once. DE -----Original Message----- *************** I know! But when I hit the "send" button to my post, he had not mentioned the time of the event. He did however in the 2 FRIGGIN' DAYS it took for my post to show up. Why did it spend 2 days lost in cyber-space? Anyway, I hope he can get his client to chose a yummy red...like rich ruby...and something like a Jacquard. The expanse of skirt looks great with a pattern, and a one color pattern like a Jacquard would be sumptuous. It'll be drop dead gorgeous no matter what the fabric turns out to be, doncha think? After all, it is Bjarne.... Remember the film "Queen Margo"? I don't like it much but the gowns [practically all of them] were unadorned but made of jacquards and brocades and the look [a different period, it's true] was striking in that is was kinda modern but still period. Alas, every dress was identical, just in a different fabric. All the sleeves were the same....in a period about sleeves! So overall the costumes suck. But taken individually, the gowns with tight boned bodices and full skirts all of one patterned fabric had a striking effect. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 00:48:41 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q4mbqi011808 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:48:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q4mWGi022124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:48:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q4loKn052745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:47:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q4lmE7043601; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail130.messagelabs.com (mail130.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9Q4ljqk043546 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: lisleong@k12.hi.us X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-130.messagelabs.com!1161838064!6618955!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [165.248.247.161] Received: (qmail 32439 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2006 04:47:44 -0000 Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (HELO mailrelay.k12.hi.us) (165.248.247.161) by server-4.tower-130.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 26 Oct 2006 04:47:44 -0000 Received: from Webshield (unknown [165.248.247.154]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 02D323EF0 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:47:44 -1000 (HST) Received: From webhost-1.k12.hi.us ([165.248.1.243]) by Webshield (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1161838063334; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 18:47:43 -1000 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: lisa To: h-costume@indra.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] discolored silk X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45403E20.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:48:37 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0ad67cbd-efff-43fd-8b71-b7b38cf6bdd3 Status: RO In the past I've thrown many of my white silk garments into the washing machine on the gentle cycle with regular laundry detergent and they've been fine. I recently used a different brand and when the blouses and sweaters came out of the machine they were a pale greenish-blue! The other clothes weren't affected so I'm thinking it's some chemical reaction between the protein fibers and something in the detergent...although I've washed white wool in this detergent and not had a problem. Does anyone know what ingredient it might be so I can avoid it and more importantly, what I can do to un-color it? I know bleach is NOT the answer. thanks, lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 01:25:31 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q5PVll012448 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:25:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q5PSfm027912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:25:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q5P5os057347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:25:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q5P3Z7070960; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3j.socket.net [216.106.88.97]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q5Oxon070899 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:25:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D80D03D6A6 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:24:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] discolored silk Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:24:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 454046C8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:25:32 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 64de3ed3-cdff-4ada-9725-a934ba9baf6e Status: RO What product did you use? De -----Original Message----- In the past I've thrown many of my white silk garments into the washing machine on the gentle cycle with regular laundry detergent and they've been fine. I recently used a different brand and when the blouses and sweaters came out of the machine they were a pale greenish-blue! The other clothes weren't affected so I'm thinking it's some chemical reaction between the protein fibers and something in the detergent...although I've washed white wool in this detergent and not had a problem. Does anyone know what ingredient it might be so I can avoid it and more importantly, what I can do to un-color it? I know bleach is NOT the answer. thanks, lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 02:50:18 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q6nvhK031797 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:49:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q6no0d022300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:49:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q6mvMs069204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:48:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q6mrrb032861; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:48:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q6mkjf032750 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 26 Oct 2006 07:48:40 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CABX2P0XUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACBTG44iUABAQkOKg Received: from 88-107-113-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.113.41]:1099 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gcz2d-000G4U-Ud for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:48:40 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061026074057.032ed198@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:45:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1690s hunting gown In-Reply-To: <8C8C69EF23C330F-E60-1F5C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C8C69EF23C330F-E60-1F5C@mblk-r37.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45405A8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: c0dfdf0a-754d-4d44-a7ab-df144ff8b4ea Status: RO At 23:49 25/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi guys. I'm in the planning stages of a 1690s hunting gown, and I >was wondering if anyone could help me figure out the sleeves. > >In this engraving: >http://www.kipar.org/period-galleries/engravings/1690/1690f1.jpg , >what is the purpose of the tasseled ribbon tied around her >wrist? And isn't her Steinkirk backwards? I think I read somewhere that engravings can be reversed, which would explain the Steinkirk. >I've been trying to figure out the cuffs on this one: >http://www.marquise.de/en/1600/pics/1690_1.shtml . I think what I'm >seeing is a big dog-eared cuff that belongs to the overcoat, a flat, >notched cuff that belongs to the waistcoat, and a big puffy chemise >sleeve with one ruffle. The chemise goes almost to the wrist, but >the other two sleeves go just past the elbow. Is this correct, or >are the two outer sleeves pushed up? And is the ruffle on the >chemise made of the same fabric as the chemise, or would it be wide lace? > >None of the pictures I've found confirm that gloves would be worn >with this outfit, but surely you wore gloves to go hunting? I found >these pictures: http://tinyurl.com/ygo7lr and: >http://tinyurl.com/ync28z of extant gloves, but are these women's >gloves? Would either pair go with a hunting gown? I suspect the gloves may be too fancy for wearing as riding gloves, but I could be wrong. > >Thanks for your help! >Tea Rose _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 03:09:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q79lSV004887 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:09:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9Q79gbf023942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:09:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q79PPl071484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:09:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9Q79OXv047863; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:09:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9Q79KLT047761 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:09:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26534 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Oct 2006 07:09:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cQjNsZOH7Li+z3kll+biULGg/Ay10V8UlW2Noxr2DOtcZXUzCyy95i/fYIhHeJAg1F19l8k0s2TqB4NYeTyGr2rAbwGtbkmx/dA+yyhurRGhoD4txjmxQr37xsCvWfNsmXl9xooc6Far34xHwYgTOBzbOARxIYC99k0UtIl3du8= ; Message-ID: <20061026070915.26532.qmail@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:09:15 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:09:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <25281.65.117.156.5.1161790183.squirrel@webmail.io.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45405F36.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:09:48 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3b885e76-6c9d-4119-a4c7-e35c286757af Status: RO Have you tried any local Asian stores in your area? They might know of a source or two. And whenever you complete your fan, do share photos with us. Kimiko Chiara Francesca wrote: I am searching for a source of laquered bamboo for making Japanese fans. I have the washi paper (you all should see it! Peacocks set in 24k!!) and either need to make my own laquered bamboo or purchase it. Any help would be appreciated. Yes, I googled ... still need references of places though. I may have missed a search query type or two. :) Chiara --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 09:58:38 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QDwcgh023972 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:58:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9QDwYMJ006202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:58:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QDsg2Q037155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QDsSM4002947; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:54:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QDsJwH002809 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 07:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with ESMTPA id 1094899463 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:53:23 -0500 Message-ID: <014b01c6f906$20044ab0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] discolored silk Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:53:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4540BF0A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 09:58:38 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 4c10164d-d987-4033-9bf0-053211e2556a Status: RO Is the laundry soap liquid? Most laundry liquids seem to contain a lot of dye -- they are often very dark blue or blue/green. That would be my first suspect. If it's powdered, are their little colored bits in the powder? I think they add a certain amount of ingredient in both liquids and powders that act like blueing. I'm only familiar the treatment for over-blueing living things (horses/dogs) and it's just to keep washing and washing and/or let it fade over time. Not sure what you would do if you over-blued a silk garment. I'd try re-washing with something completely colorless. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 12:11:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QGBSWw027324 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:11:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9QGBPZw007838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:11:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QG8a2U060694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:08:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QG8JbD044675; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxs1.wvu.edu (mxs1.wvu.edu [157.182.140.113]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QG8Biq044373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mxs1.wvu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QG7BAT016412 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:07:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:07:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4540A4E60200000C003C1D6D@WVUGW01.wvu.edu> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:07:02 -0400 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans References: <20061025150857.82550.qmail@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <25281.65.117.156.5.1161790183.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <25281.65.117.156.5.1161790183.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4540DE2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:11:28 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 168782f8-a9d9-463d-8187-62aef302cd9e Status: RO Chiara, We would love it if you'd share the method of putting them together, as well as your paper, bamboo, and findings sources. I may have to do this in the very near future myself. And it's something I'd just like to know as well. Thanks, Kathy Hoover >>> "Chiara Francesca" 10/25/06 11:29 AM >>> I am searching for a source of laquered bamboo for making Japanese fans. I have the washi paper (you all should see it! Peacocks set in 24k!!) and either need to make my own laquered bamboo or purchase it. Any help would be appreciated. Yes, I googled ... still need references of places though. I may have missed a search query type or two. :) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 12:28:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QGScAv027793 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:28:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9QGSXag006805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:28:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QGPnSe063796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:25:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QGPiGj064144; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:25:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QGPc8Z063924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:25:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9QGPSdt066662 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:25:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara@io.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:25:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <34411.65.117.156.5.1161879928.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <4540A4E60200000C003C1D6D@WVUGW01.wvu.edu> References: <20061025150857.82550.qmail@web33907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <25281.65.117.156.5.1161790183.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <4540A4E60200000C003C1D6D@WVUGW01.wvu.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:25:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4540E231.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:28:39 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 19da3689-326d-4b65-9e72-ffdff2004be9 Status: RO Sounds like a plan! :) I will post urls of the work once I get started in earnest. Documentation will not be very long but I will do extra research as time allows. :) Chiara On Thu, October 26, 2006 11:07 am, Kathy Hoover said: > Chiara, > We would love it if you'd share the method of putting them together, > as > well as your paper, bamboo, and findings sources. I may have to do > this > in the very near future myself. And it's something I'd just like to > know as well. > > Thanks, > Kathy Hoover > > >>>> "Chiara Francesca" 10/25/06 11:29 AM >>> > I am searching for a source of laquered bamboo for making Japanese > fans. > > I have the washi paper (you all should see it! Peacocks set in > 24k!!) and either need to make my own laquered bamboo or purchase > it. > > Any help would be appreciated. Yes, I googled ... still need > references of places though. I may have missed a search query type > or two. :) > > Chiara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 18:25:39 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QMPdVV004066 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:25:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9QMPZj9021315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:25:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QMP6ZX026201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QMOxw5055611; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0102.google.com (nz-out-0102.google.com [64.233.162.205]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QMOp2V055454 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id v1so469581nzb for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=p2QROZd0GkOtMIBOpXthmEUnpGMrOGQGVvuEbK4LH1E7jKpIqyawNzC23UQCSQExn0rM+FIT89D6nuQ2DXR8SXTWCLFgDYaId5LLkf7HxI8zsBJwVHQ2N51fyrfd++klM1cn06E6WeQjkARzpIE5CoOdgOmQMmIfEkQ63GGLGxY= Received: by 10.64.149.15 with SMTP id w15mr3935203qbd; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.160.14 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:24:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:24:50 +0100 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 454135DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:25:39 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 15a5fbe5-5cbb-4b80-a089-fa708105999b Status: RO If you have a very steady hand, a thin blade or perhaps a scroll saw, get matching laquered chopsticks from a Japanese shop. Slice longways. The rough side will be glue to your paper fan. Or unmake a japanese tourist's fan, by picking off the cheap paper & substituting your gilded peacocks. It's not clear to me whether you're making a paddle type fan or the folding sort. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <25281.65.117.156.5.1161790183.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 I am searching for a source of laquered bamboo for making Japanese fans. I have the washi paper (you all should see it! Peacocks set in 24k!!) and either need to make my own laquered bamboo or purchase it. Any help would be appreciated. Yes, I googled ... still need references of places though. I may have missed a search query type or two. :) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 19:21:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QNLh7r005436 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:21:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9QNLeYQ027549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:21:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QNLC4B033739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:21:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QNL8sC007659; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [63.240.77.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9QNL4tc007531 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:21:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: from cheslaptop (c-24-1-85-230.hsd1.tx.comcast.net[24.1.85.230]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <2006102623205901500168gje>; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:20:59 +0000 Message-ID: <007b01c6f955$6b112560$050ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:04:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45414304.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:21:43 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 9b09201b-7d77-42d8-bd9a-8542a0b3a101 Status: RO I am making a Sensu (Folding fan). I want to make it a folding fan with 35 ribs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: re: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans > If you have a very steady hand, a thin blade or perhaps a scroll saw, > get matching laquered chopsticks from a Japanese shop. Slice longways. > The rough side will be glue to your paper fan. Or unmake a japanese > tourist's fan, by picking off the cheap paper & substituting your > gilded peacocks. It's not clear to me whether you're making a paddle > type fan or the folding sort. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > Subject: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <25281.65.117.156.5.1161790183.squirrel@webmail.io.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > I am searching for a source of laquered bamboo for making Japanese > fans. > > I have the washi paper (you all should see it! Peacocks set in > 24k!!) and either need to make my own laquered bamboo or purchase > it. > > Any help would be appreciated. Yes, I googled ... still need > references of places though. I may have missed a search query type > or two. :) > > Chiara > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 20:36:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R0aN0Z007342 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:36:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9R0aJxA024014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:36:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R0ZWme046751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R0ZSfQ075835; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9R0ZMpu075669 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2020 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Oct 2006 00:35:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QKOtUAXIVysxpljSiYkGt2OYwh7qAAwquTeFOdmGni4GZrj/A7GGmHJN8SI72mjYquPLAHIZM/VLnbEmEEuUQo6B3b1HpeferZrfxI8PfbBISPTOFtO1nEcqqai7+A/L13B6gQn63YzvKhMyqzQ93cAlUNVabPP/YNlhz5Gcc4g= ; Message-ID: <20061027003517.2018.qmail@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:35:17 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <007b01c6f955$6b112560$050ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45415483.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:36:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 0ce61b90-f9f4-437f-964c-e08a8c4ee3c4 Status: RO I see that dharmatrading.com has silk folding fans, but the ribs are plain bamboo, not lacquered, and they already have a plain covering. http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1669-AA.shtml Kimiko Chiara Francesca wrote: I am making a Sensu (Folding fan). I want to make it a folding fan with 35 ribs. --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Oct 26 22:21:28 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R2LOCh010560 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:21:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9R2LJZc007597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:21:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R2KlEX067470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:20:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R2KhWA071116; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [63.240.77.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R1Ub0U028975 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:30:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: from cheslaptop (failure[24.1.85.230]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006102701303101200ooj0ke>; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 01:30:32 +0000 Message-ID: <021e01c6f967$83c855d0$050ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20061027003517.2018.qmail@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 20:30:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45416D20.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:21:23 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 86c6c47d-031f-4a9a-9c23-57ce858dcd40 Status: RO Neat! Since it is silk they are most likely sewn down, from everything that I have read so far and by looking at the ones I have. It is easy enough to undo them and then glue the washi paper down after folding. Thanks Kimiko! :) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Laquered bamboo for fans >I see that dharmatrading.com has silk folding fans, but the ribs are plain >bamboo, not lacquered, and they already have a plain covering. > http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1669-AA.shtml > > Kimiko > > > Chiara Francesca wrote: > I am making a Sensu (Folding fan). I want to make it a folding fan with > 35 > ribs. > > > > --------------------------------- > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done > faster. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 27 00:11:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R4BAcp014195 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:11:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9R4B6EX019885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:11:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R4ARKg085970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9R4AMIP064885; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:10:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail87.messagelabs.com (mail87.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.19]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9R4AGNQ064812 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lisleong@k12.hi.us) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: lisleong@k12.hi.us X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-87.messagelabs.com!1161922214!37529036!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.10.7; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [165.248.247.161] Received: (qmail 624 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 04:10:14 -0000 Received: from mailrelay.k12.hi.us (HELO mailrelay.k12.hi.us) (165.248.247.161) by server-3.tower-87.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 04:10:14 -0000 Received: from Webshield2 (unknown [165.248.247.155]) by mailrelay.k12.hi.us (Postfix) with SMTP id 897463EF8 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:10:14 -1000 (HST) Received: From webhost-1.k12.hi.us ([165.248.1.243]) by Webshield2 (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1161922213698; Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:10:13 -1000 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:01:28 -0700 (PDT) From: lisa To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] discolored silk In-Reply-To: <014b01c6f906$20044ab0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Message-ID: References: <014b01c6f906$20044ab0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 454186DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 00:11:10 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 397a2678-7582-4fb0-8592-6e64221a6037 Status: RO > Is the laundry soap liquid? Most laundry liquids seem to contain a lot of > dye -- they are often very dark blue or blue/green. That would be my first > suspect. > If it's powdered, are their little colored bits in the powder? I think they > add a certain amount of ingredient in both liquids and powders that act like > blueing. It's a powder and it's completely white, no colored bits. It's a Safeway house brand and unfortunately, I emptied the box into my detergent bin and threw it away so I don't even know the exact name of the product. I do remember that it's a concentrated detergent where you need very little--1/4 to 3/8 cup does a large load beautifully. --lisa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 27 09:36:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RDadeZ025830 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:36:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RDaYU2031466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:36:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RDXrsR064852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:33:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RDXluU077373; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:33:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9RDXgK8077304 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 16832 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2006 06:33:41 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 16791, pid: 16800, t: 7.7042s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:40/d:2019 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 27 Oct 2006 06:33:33 -0700 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061027063244.02333fe8@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:33:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] discolored silk In-Reply-To: References: <014b01c6f906$20044ab0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45420B62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:36:39 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: d273d25a-49dc-44e3-99fa-d4a4e7e43415 Status: RO At 09:01 PM 10/26/2006, you wrote: >>Is the laundry soap liquid? Most laundry liquids seem to contain a >>lot of dye -- they are often very dark blue or blue/green. That >>would be my first suspect. >>If it's powdered, are their little colored bits in the powder? I >>think they add a certain amount of ingredient in both liquids and >>powders that act like blueing. > > It's a powder and it's completely white, no colored > bits. It's a Safeway house brand and unfortunately, I emptied the > box into my detergent bin and threw it away so I don't even know > the exact name of the product. I do remember that it's a > concentrated detergent where you need very little--1/4 to 3/8 cup > does a large load beautifully. > >--lisa I would try washing with Orvus or Synthrapol. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 27 13:19:40 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RHJe7v032518 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:19:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RHJa8p015716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RHF8FP001781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:15:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RHAir6097127; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:10:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu (kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RFXbC9097226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:33:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id k9RFXVB10299 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:33:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 27 Oct 2006 10:33:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:33:30 -0500 References: <200608171346.k7HDkgKL015984@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:33:22 -0500 Message-ID: <4541E072020000A60000768C@kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200608171346.k7HDkgKL015984@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Civil War program? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45423FA8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:19:40 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 6ef096d3-ce77-4536-917d-72c0ae1740c8 Status: RO My mother, belatedly, informed me that a crew from the History Channel was filming at a local (Leavenworth, KS) museum this week. She has been involved with this museum for years and was onhand to help setup, find props, etc. Naturally (sigh) she could not remember the names of anyone working on the program (some local, some from Los Angeles) but thought it was about women who had fought in the Civil War. They were to be filming battle scenes at another site in Kansas this week. She did remember it was for the History Channel and I was wondering if it might be for their Civil War Classroom series. Anyone familiar with this? Now when she said "History Channel" I kind of cringed because I think we have all seen how hit and miss their authenticity can be. She was impressed with the woman she was working with however. The lady had brought her own box of period linens to use if neccessary, and questioned several of the background props, like a clock, to be sure they were appropriate for the period. How much of this will end up in the final cut is anyone's guess. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 27 16:16:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RKGSM2005933 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:16:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9RKGEei016528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:16:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RKCDtJ030994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RKA1xc084173; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:10:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9RK9eOK083595 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCWE35UAC69GB2 for (sender ); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:09:22 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7husfTF4hoyr0LxBubm7oeojOG5wjpb0pA== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id L5QC93H9; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:08:33 PDT To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:07:06 -0500 Message-ID: <20061027.150707.1172.1.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,5-6,9-12 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2418616503 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] OT: custom boots X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4542690E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:16:17 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 292664fa-a97e-4a8b-b522-51460903b2b7 Status: RO (I'll be posting this to a couple lists, sorry if you get multiples.) A friend of mine has wanted a pair of custom boots for years, and things are finally coming together for her to order a pair. Does anyone have recommendations (or, possibly more important, warnings) on someone who could make a pair of high leather boots? Also, how hard is it to measure someone for something like this? If she has to fly to the bootmaker to get the measurements and/or fitting done, well, that's coming out of the boot budget. Feel free to reply off-list. 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Audy. ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 27 20:40:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9S0eAOQ014210 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:40:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9S0dx9k011051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:40:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9S0dO9r076984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:39:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9S0d6Hv001196; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9RIW3AK080874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:32:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 90D1884AE7; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDAC84AC3 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 14:31:53 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c6f9f6$2d620f30$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED=-2.82, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pattern Swan Song X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4542A6DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:40:05 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 04e230ed-22bc-4823-8778-9741f6e6b50c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9S0eAOQ014210 Status: RO I'm down to 178 patterns, with a 50% discount value of $1776.38CDN. Any and all takers welcome. Make me an offer. I want these gone and out of here by October 31. Website is current if you wish to view what's there. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of historical sewing patterns, quality hand-crafted cooperage, re-enactor and embroidery supplies, and more. 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Oct 27 22:52:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9S2qJQI018980 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:52:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9S2q0of018670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:52:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9S2pX9N094985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9S2pTQE002882; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9S2pQE6002788 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cce.15c411e (40522) for ; Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:51:18 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: custom boots To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4542C5D0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:52:04 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 3675f576-f655-4504-9062-25ee217cccd1 Status: RO In a message dated 10/27/2006 4:17:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, llwatts@juno.com writes: A friend of mine has wanted a pair of custom boots for years, and things are finally coming together for her to order a pair. Does anyone have recommendations (or, possibly more important, warnings) on someone who could make a pair of high leather boots? I'll reply on-list. My husband had boots made by Frederick Longtin and he loves them! They weren't cheap, of course. We took measurements and made tracings of the feet. Frederick Longtin RR#2 Box 2094 Granville Ferry, Nova Scotia BOS 1KO 902-532-2233 Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 28 09:46:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SDkT8j007437 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:46:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9SDkDmt026032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:46:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SDdQ5P070282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:39:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SDdILY039315; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:39:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9SDdDYg039156 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 07:39:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wildthangstreasures@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33078 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Oct 2006 13:39:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gkTSE2e/ahQ1tqMpWq4TAbCAgXkF79y55+eEHXI9Io0/gO0PlBpvDwxbc23MJWN+BlZEVO66aM8p01SPCrprZNpbK2D8qMs7uzu/aa4orGThYLxQvaRfq6G4gVPEoCklAM0KFezkRfFdWDYyWNtijaamT3xTnNAQ91e/FEhKbBg= ; Message-ID: <20061028133908.33076.qmail@web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.187.40.219] by web33908.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:39:08 PDT Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 06:39:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Voncile W. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:46:19 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 27fd7f4e-cbfb-469a-8a97-d4336ed82bd1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9SDkT8j007437 Status: RO Welcome. I to lurk more than participate. Very good group with lots of information. Lady Von http://www.wildthangstreasures.com ----- Original Message ---- From: AVC To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 4:39:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] NEW KID ON THE BLOCK Hi all, May I introduce myself. My name is Audrey Chase. My experience is in small stage productions in colleges and universities, and for the last six years in community theatre. Also, I've done Parks and Recreation children's theatre in the past and some Miss Drill Team USA competition work. My first digest just came and I tend to lurk more then participate but the other list to which I belong covers an ever changing variety of subject matter. Nice to met you today and it is so good to be here. Audy. ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 28 14:30:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SITwuD016488 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:30:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9SITnqT013656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SIRAHL011094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SIR3GV087305; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:27:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SIQvAF087231 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1GdstS3dn8-0004U4; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:26:56 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c6fabe$9f379cb0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Parasol Frame & Fan Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:26:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4543A19D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:29:52 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 58587271-a531-4ef3-b294-ef4c2bdf8660 Status: RO Someone recommended the Gentleman's Emporium http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/index.php earlier this week. Wednesday, I looked the site over and ordered a red lace parasol and matching fan. To my surprise I received the items today. That is fast service!!! The parasol and fan are beautiful and made very well. My only complaint was on the parasol there were little white threads on the parasol like tailor tacks that weren't removed. I took them out with tweezers in a few minutes. As for the frames... they are all of a good quality. The fan is polished bamboo but not lacquered. I don't know who their frame supplier is but it would be interesting to know. The items came in boxes and plastic covering that were made to fit the parasol and fan for storage. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 28 16:32:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SKW7EQ019742 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:32:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9SKVr6s020754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SKQ9hI026891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SKQ6wp084873; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SKQ2m4084827 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 14:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1Gduki3siV-0003uB; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:26:02 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c6facf$42c52b30$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:25:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4543BE39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:31:56 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 2da7ae62-658e-4c5f-8de5-5603d975e248 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id k9SKW7EQ019742 Status: RO I am putting online a fashion terms dictionary from 1894. I came across asbestos being used in fabrics. What are some of the other past fabrics or dyes that have been found to be harmful to the wearer? I am worried now because I am working with a large fashion collection at the university. I came across a bonnet lined with wool that I am allergic too. I broke out in a rash and was sneezing uncontrollably. Here is the definition from the book: Asbestos : A fibrous variety of a mineral substance, composed of separate filaments, with a silky luster. Its fibers are sometimes flexible and elastic, sometimes stiff and brittle, and when reduced to a powder are soft to the touch. It is incombustible, and the fine qualities have been spun and woven into gloves, shrouds, cloth for firemen's suits, lamp-wicks, roofs, floors and for various other fire-proofing purposes. Its feeble consistency has always has always been the chief obstacle to its general use among textile fabrics. It was mined in 1894 in Canada, Vermont, Virginia, South Carolina and on Staten Island, New York. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 28 18:44:35 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SMiK8N023122 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:44:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9SMiBLh017332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:44:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SMf4Nd043489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:41:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SMewcR085253; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:40:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jaguar.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SMesjt085162 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:40:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by jaguar.campus.muc.prv with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:44:18 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6FAE2.99B3AE56" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4C9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4C9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Thread-Index: Acb60Jd3hXeUB+OqTNCDMqbPQyI0nwAENeLU References: <002401c6facf$42c52b30$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2006 22:44:18.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A2FE1E0:01C6FAE2] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4543DD3B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:44:15 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 1327461b-4560-4e1b-9472-a36ade377ebd Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FAE2.99B3AE56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mercury was formerly used in making felt hats (like beaver hats) to = separate the fur from the pelt. Mercury is harmful to the central = nervous system ( hence the phrase " mad as a hatter"). =20 Patty Rickard ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Penny Ladnier Sent: Sat 10/28/2006 4:25 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics I am putting online a fashion terms dictionary from 1894. I came across = asbestos being used in fabrics. What are some of the other past fabrics = or dyes that have been found to be harmful to the wearer? I am worried = now because I am working with a large fashion collection at the = university. I came across a bonnet lined with wool that I am allergic = too. I broke out in a rash and was sneezing uncontrollably. Here is the definition from the book: Asbestos : A fibrous variety of a mineral substance, composed of = separate filaments, with a silky luster. Its fibers are sometimes = flexible and elastic, sometimes stiff and brittle, and when reduced to a = powder are soft to the touch. It is incombustible, and the fine = qualities have been spun and woven into gloves, shrouds, cloth for = firemen's suits, lamp-wicks, roofs, floors and for various other = fire-proofing purposes. Its feeble consistency has always has always = been the chief obstacle to its general use among textile fabrics. It was = mined in 1894 in Canada, Vermont, Virginia, South Carolina and on Staten = Island, New York. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FAE2.99B3AE56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FAE2.99B3AE56-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Oct 28 22:59:14 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T2x5qh028297 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:59:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9T2wpIB001783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:58:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T2vDeb076633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T2v5Xv067988; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:57:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T2v27j067949 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:57:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Ge0r63NZ6-0004Wj; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:57:02 -0400 Message-ID: <003201c6fb05$e542b400$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002401c6facf$42c52b30$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4C9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:56:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 454418EC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 86c268f7-c32b-487c-9efe-f9e7ed2a0c71 Status: RO Patty, I am working with 19th and 20th Century felt hats. Is there a time frame when the mercury stopped being used in felt hats? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 00:56:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T4u5CX030330 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:56:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9T4tkup004258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:55:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T4oFsH088597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T4oBgq038587; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T4o6U3038489 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 22:50:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472FCA95A4 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:49:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45443306.7040408@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:50:14 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] the best kind of compliment X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45443452.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:55:50 -0400 (EDT) X-UUID: 7be93e9c-2c00-4d56-a50e-992fdcd70286 Status: RO So we went downtown to a Halloween party at the home of a friend. He's got an old turn of the last century house under restoration -- house is an understatement, the invitation said 'Mansion' and that's not far off. I figured the appropriate costume to wear would be the 1890-ish set I made for us a few years back. We got lots of polite comments of the 'nice costume' and 'you look great' variety and then, the kicker: "Where'd you get the vintage clothing?" [GRIN] Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 01:15:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T5F6P6030657 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:15:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9T5Ec5b011527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:14:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T5E2OS090504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:14:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T5E0Bj051417; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:14:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jaguar.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T5DuOv051341 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 23:13:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by jaguar.campus.muc.prv with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:17:20 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6FB19.81E82C7A" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4CA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4CA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Thread-Index: Acb7BqfFhZoVJxRUTsyv2/adReQDMgAEg4Rq References: <002401c6facf$42c52b30$6400a8c0@momlaptop><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4C9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> <003201c6fb05$e542b400$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2006 05:17:20.0068 (UTC) FILETIME=[8203D040:01C6FB19] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 454438BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FB19.81E82C7A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FB19.81E82C7A-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 01:24:42 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T6OXRL031881 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:24:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9T6OJde021148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:24:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T6LqmO097572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T6Lm2r090405; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T6LhBr090343 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Ge43B3fZB-0004RV; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:21:43 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c6fb22$7d535170$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002401c6facf$42c52b30$6400a8c0@momlaptop><18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4C9@lynx.campus.muc.prv><003201c6fb05$e542b400$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4CA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:21:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45444913.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:24:23 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 492f99a9-bd3c-4cff-b6d6-8a2b3be48247 Status: RO Thank you Patty. I will check the link out. My Mom and Dad used to be firefighters. I was talking with Mom tonight and she said asbestos was in their suits in the early to mid 1960s. But the uniforms my have been purchased used. With mercury and asbestos in textiles...gosh, I don't want to suit up in a hasmat uniform to work in the fashion collection. I don't think cotton gloves would protect me from these problems. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 02:50:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T7oQMD001121 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:50:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9T7oHUn011785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:50:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T7nIoC007305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T7nCSm046373; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:49:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T7n87H046314 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB7542504D4; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:42:45 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:49:19 -0700 Message-ID: <006401c6fb2e$bd919560$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <002401c6facf$42c52b30$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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Here is the definition from the book: Asbestos : A fibrous variety of a mineral substance, composed of separate filaments, with a silky luster. Its fibers are sometimes flexible and elastic, sometimes stiff and brittle, and when reduced to a powder are soft to the touch. It is incombustible, and the fine qualities have been spun and woven into gloves, shrouds, cloth for firemen's suits, lamp-wicks, roofs, floors and for various other fire-proofing purposes. Its feeble consistency has always has always been the chief obstacle to its general use among textile fabrics. It was mined in 1894 in Canada, Vermont, Virginia, South Carolina and on Staten Island, New York. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 02:53:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T7ros9001174 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:53:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9T7rg5E013713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:53:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T7rHSD007719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:53:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T7rF7n049053; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:53:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T7rBu6049000 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AC6846304BA; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:46:48 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 00:53:21 -0700 Message-ID: <006501c6fb2f$4e0b35b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <002401c6facf$42c52b30$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9T7rBu6049000 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45445E06.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:53:45 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 376b593e-0e01-4566-be96-9569f0a3b551 Status: RO Also, I remember something about a certain kind of green dye being dangerous. It was used in fabric and wallpaper, and children who ate the paper scraps got sick, also the people wearing a garment could get sick. There was something on this list a while ago about someone having an old dress she wanted to wear, but was told to be careful because of potentially harmful dyes. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:26 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics I am putting online a fashion terms dictionary from 1894. I came across asbestos being used in fabrics. What are some of the other past fabrics or dyes that have been found to be harmful to the wearer? I am worried now because I am working with a large fashion collection at the university. I came across a bonnet lined with wool that I am allergic too. I broke out in a rash and was sneezing uncontrollably. Here is the definition from the book: Asbestos : A fibrous variety of a mineral substance, composed of separate filaments, with a silky luster. Its fibers are sometimes flexible and elastic, sometimes stiff and brittle, and when reduced to a powder are soft to the touch. It is incombustible, and the fine qualities have been spun and woven into gloves, shrouds, cloth for firemen's suits, lamp-wicks, roofs, floors and for various other fire-proofing purposes. Its feeble consistency has always has always been the chief obstacle to its general use among textile fabrics. It was mined in 1894 in Canada, Vermont, Virginia, South Carolina and on Staten Island, New York. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 03:28:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T8S906001742 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:28:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9T8Rmfj013991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:27:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T8Peg1010738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:25:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T8Pclu067277; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:25:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9T8PZPn067250 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 01:25:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1Ge5z32SKA-0004Wk; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:25:35 -0500 Message-ID: <007001c6fb33$c64f2fa0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006501c6fb2f$4e0b35b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:24:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45446604.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:27:53 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: a02cf787-0558-42e7-adf2-e8e7ed1bb71d Status: RO Sharon, I found this on a webpage about aniline dyes, http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3983/is_200012/ai_n8905150/pg_4 . I really don't recommend going to this link because it wants to put too many cookies on your computer. But is this what you were referring to? The webpage makes several references to colors and dyes mentioned in Godey's. "Green, of the new shade called Metternich" was likewise "very fashionable" for a brief period between 1868 and 1870.41 Schultz reported that Metternich green was one of the trade names for iodine green, discovered in 1866.42 Presumably the name refers to the Princess Metternich, an acknowledged leader of Paris fashion, 43 who may have worn the color and thus made it fashionable. According to Challamel, green had fallen out of favor completely by 1861 because of cases of women who were poisoned by making or wearing garments colored with one of the arsenic-based green pigments, such as Scheele's green or Schweinfurt green. Since these were pigments and not dyes, the color could rub or flake off Despite this, arsenic green appeared in Godey's in 1867.44 Iodine green was a dye, not a pigment, and did not pose the same danger to the wearer. Because the Princess Metternich was known for her eccentricity, she might have adopted green in defiance of popular thought. " Off to run my spyware to get rid of all these cookies. I gave up on that webpage after seven requests to put cookies on my computer. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics > Also, I remember something about a certain kind of green dye being > dangerous. It was used in fabric and wallpaper, and children who ate the > paper scraps got sick, also the people wearing a garment could get sick. > There was something on this list a while ago about someone having an old > dress she wanted to wear, but was told to be careful because of > potentially > harmful dyes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:26 PM > To: h-costume > Subject: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics > > > I am putting online a fashion terms dictionary from 1894. I came across > asbestos being used in fabrics. What are some of the other past fabrics > or > dyes that have been found to be harmful to the wearer? I am worried now > because I am working with a large fashion collection at the university. I > came across a bonnet lined with wool that I am allergic too. I broke out > in > a rash and was sneezing uncontrollably. > > Here is the definition from the book: > Asbestos : A fibrous variety of a mineral substance, composed of separate > filaments, with a silky luster. Its fibers are sometimes flexible and > elastic, sometimes stiff and brittle, and when reduced to a powder are > soft > to the touch. It is incombustible, and the fine qualities have been spun > and > woven into gloves, shrouds, cloth for firemen's suits, lamp-wicks, roofs, > floors and for various other fire-proofing purposes. Its feeble > consistency > has always has always been the chief obstacle to its general use among > textile fabrics. It was mined in 1894 in Canada, Vermont, Virginia, South > Carolina and on Staten Island, New York. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 05:32:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TAVqqg004707 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:32:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TAVcXD023181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:31:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TAT9wP028662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:29:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TAT46I049705; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:29:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TAT14K049639 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 03:29:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ca1.1754333 (14467) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:28:53 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:28:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5326 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4544830A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:31:42 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 2f919e0f-34ba-417f-8310-7a712c11bbdf Status: RO In a message dated 10/29/2006 2:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: Also, I remember something about a certain kind of green dye being dangerous. It was used in fabric and wallpaper, and children who ate the paper scraps got sick, also the people wearing a garment could get sick. There was something on this list a while ago about someone having an old dress she wanted to wear, but was told to be careful because of potentially harmful dyes. Certainly some aniline dyes could be toxic while being used. The stories about their danger after dyeing, however, sound very much like what we would today call urban legends. For example, supposedly someone wore mittens dyed with one of the new reddish dyes. The mittens got wet in the snow, the person pulled them off with the teeth, and got sick. Another one of the stories was about how people boiled potatoes in a pot that had been used for dyeing. Why I question the veracity of these stories is I found the same stories re-printed about 10 years later, and with just vague details--some of the hallmarks of "urban legends." The wallpaper, though, is a little different. Arsenic was used in green pigments (not dyes). Pigments need a fixative to attach to paper and fabric, and it is not too farfetched to think they could flake off and be harmful. Again, the contemporary literature has stories of such things, but they are impossible to verify at this late date. The most vivid, so to speak, was about a woman who used green crepe paper (evidently colored with an arsenical pigment), for a costume and got deathly ill. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:33:40 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: a535058a-2bbd-4c98-b825-9405ada7e1db Status: RO In a message dated 10/29/2006 3:26:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, penny@costumegallery.com writes: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3983/is_200012/ai_n8905150/pg_4 Ah, Penny, yes, that is from an article I wrote based on the work for my doctoral dissertation. The post I just sent is a brief summary of it. Thanks for letting me know I'm on the web! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 06:13:37 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TBDQTw010078 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 06:13:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TBDIN6003540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 06:13:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TBCiS6033483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:12:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TBCgqg079208; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:12:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TBCbws079030 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 04:12:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [62.45.122.45]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05361BE885 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:12:29 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45448CB0.5070107@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:12:48 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cut on bias?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45448CCE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 06:13:21 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: ef0d5745-f70a-4080-8575-01ac2fb3860d Status: RO Hi, I was looking at Simplicity pattern 4510 an 1860 dress. The directions say that you cut the skirt ruffles on the bias. Is that something they did on plain colored ruffles? I am enhancing a gown that I already have http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/Victorian.html I am going to make a day bodice and put some ruffles on the gown like in this picture http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/test.jpg The gown is made from taffeta the ruffles will be black taffeta(synthetic). Would the ruffles look better if I cut them on the bias??? Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 07:04:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TC4qmr011148 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:04:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TC4fEC007550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:04:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TC1rJ3039926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TC1ovM017672; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:01:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TC1jOe017570 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 05:01:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 29 Oct 2006 12:01:39 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAANolREXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACBTIpoAgkOKg Received: from 88-107-113-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.113.41]:1423 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Ge9M6-000GnM-KP for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:01:34 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061029115921.0329e200@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:01:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 454498D9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:04:46 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 2b82b8fb-bb49-4529-b2ed-6d866ff871fb Status: RO At 10:28 29/10/2006, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/29/2006 2:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >sharon@collierfam.com writes: > >Also, I remember something about a certain kind of green dye being >dangerous. It was used in fabric and wallpaper, and children who ate the >paper scraps got sick, also the people wearing a garment could get sick. >There was something on this list a while ago about someone having an old >dress she wanted to wear, but was told to be careful because of potentially >harmful dyes. > > > >Certainly some aniline dyes could be toxic while being used. The stories >about their danger after dyeing, however, sound very much like what we would >today call urban legends. For example, supposedly someone wore mittens dyed >with one of the new reddish dyes. The mittens got wet in the >snow, the person >pulled them off with the teeth, and got sick. Another one of the >stories was >about how people boiled potatoes in a pot that had been used for dyeing. Why >I question the veracity of these stories is I found the same stories >re-printed about 10 years later, and with just vague details--some >of the hallmarks >of "urban legends." > >The wallpaper, though, is a little different. Arsenic was used in green >pigments (not dyes). Pigments need a fixative to attach to paper >and fabric, and >it is not too farfetched to think they could flake off and be harmful. >Again, the contemporary literature has stories of such things, but they are >impossible to verify at this late date. The most vivid, so to speak, >was about a >woman who used green crepe paper (evidently colored with an >arsenical pigment), >for a costume and got deathly ill. It was rumoured that Napoleon was murdered by the British on St. Helena, through the wallpaper which had traces of arsenic in it. I believe someone has researched this fairly thoroughly in recent years, but I do not have documentation. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:01:04 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 4371af5c-1339-4565-9066-ec02ca3eed51 Status: RO Arsenic green. Ann in CT --- "Sharon at Collierfam.com" wrote: > Also, I remember something about a certain kind of > green dye being > dangerous. It was used in fabric and wallpaper, and > children who ate the > paper scraps got sick, also the people wearing a > garment could get sick. > There was something on this list a while ago about > someone having an old > dress she wanted to wear, but was told to be careful > because of potentially > harmful dyes. ____________________________________________________________________________________ We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! 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To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In-Reply-To: <200610291112.k9TBChPm079225@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4544B9B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:24:55 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 859e2557-66ae-487a-a096-72c1bb889e93 Status: RO Hi Deredere. In my opinion, you should only cut ruffles on the bias if you want to 1)use a stripe or pattern and it becomes a design element, or 2)when you need a really crisp, stiff fabric (like dupioni, for example) to lie flatter. Bias ruffles want to fall. You won't get the spring out like you will with ruffles cut on the straight of grain. Have you considered circular ruffles? You should cut some samples and see which you like best. Regards, --Rachel ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the New Yahoo.com (http://www.yahoo.com/preview) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 09:26:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TEPqqk014818 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:25:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TEPWKZ025706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:25:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TEPGD8057000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:25:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TEPFGs027508; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:25:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TEPAHS027427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.180.161] (pool180-161.patriot.net [209.249.180.161]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id k9TEP1Jf028345 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:25:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <007001c6fb33$c64f2fa0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <006501c6fb2f$4e0b35b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <007001c6fb33$c64f2fa0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <19DC38D5-3F58-460B-B38D-D521FEA0DE9A@patriot.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:25:00 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4544B9DC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:25:37 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 0303dd03-8deb-49bf-a352-bc1f7d3cb598 Status: RO As if the dyes and finishes were not enough... I heard about something called "silk rot", which will consume & destroy silk faster than time in general. I broke out after handling some 1880s/90s items, ad that was suggested as a cause. In that case the item should be removed from the collection. -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 09:55:13 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TEt80l015677 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:55:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TEsqFS018027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:54:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TErCnS059838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:53:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TEr0FJ052013; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:53:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TEqqMb051800 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:52:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.150] (pm5-150.eos.net [205.133.149.150]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k9TEql40011903 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:52:47 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:36:34 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200610291113.k9TBCv5O079464@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: dangerous fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4544C0BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:54:57 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 396762fb-8a0c-49b2-842f-e21777fbcd70 Status: RO I remember posts about "lead salts" or something being used to weight silk in, I think, the 1890s. I don't remember whether they are harmful to people wearing them or to the fabric itself (causing it to disintegrate). But I would search the archives for that one. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 10:06:36 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TF6MmF015978 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:06:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TF66N0032449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:06:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TF4Xn3061211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:04:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TF4WA9062476; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:04:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9TF4Rju062403 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:04:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 16732 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2006 07:04:27 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 16699, pid: 16721, t: 4.5425s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:40/d:2019 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 29 Oct 2006 07:04:22 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061029070014.02239b80@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:04:06 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cut on bias?? In-Reply-To: <45448CB0.5070107@kabelfoon.nl> References: <45448CB0.5070107@kabelfoon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4544C35E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: ae6f721a-5706-43fc-b725-0d0248e64b3d Status: RO At 03:12 AM 10/29/2006, you wrote: >Hi, > >I was looking at Simplicity pattern 4510 an 1860 dress. >The directions say that you cut the skirt ruffles on the bias. >Is that something they did on plain colored ruffles? >I am enhancing a gown that I already have >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/Victorian.html >I am going to make a day bodice and put some ruffles on the gown >like in this picture >http://www.deredere.dds.nl/19thcent/19woman/Victorian/test.jpg >The gown is made from taffeta the ruffles will be black taffeta(synthetic). >Would the ruffles look better if I cut them on the bias??? > >Greetings, > Deredere One reason for cutting ruffles on the bias is to reduce the amount of hemming you need to do. Fabrics cut on the bias fray much less than cuts on the grain (you need to hem these). Many of the 19th century gowns have bias-cut ruffles. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 10:36:01 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TFZqXH016783 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:36:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TFZhew027380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:35:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TFYWah064297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TFYSG8087086; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from dithers.gower.net (dithers.gower.net [205.230.30.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TFYOcW087041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 08:34:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vbetts@gower.net) Received: from gower.net (user-17.annex-02.tyler.tx.gower.net [208.218.191.68]) by dithers.gower.net (8.13.1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k9TFYKSF013234 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:34:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from vbetts@gower.net) Message-ID: <4544C9CD.8030403@gower.net> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:33:33 -0600 From: Vicki Betts User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Asbestos in clothing References: <002401c6facf$42c52b30$6400a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <002401c6facf$42c52b30$6400a8c0@momlaptop> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4544CA4F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:35:47 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 695d130f-c1f7-4b67-be38-149a0f280e84 Status: RO Here's an earlier reference to asbestos in clothing: > ALBANY [GA] PATRIOT, December 12, 1861, p. 2, c. 2 > > Water-Proof clothing--Asbestos. > > We are pleased to learn that Messrs. Golueke & Wilson, of Washington, > Wilkes county, Ga., are manufacturing a light and pliable cloth which > is said to be impervious to water, and serve as a substitute for the > ordinary, but more costly India Rubber cloth, and is said to be > admirably adopted to camp service. There is another article which > seems to be forgotten and almost entirely out of use, which may be > worked to advantage in the manufacture of soldiers cloth and articles > of clothing of similar use. We refer to a mineral called "Asbestus," > [sic] and which may be found in abundant beds both in Southern > Tennessee and Northern Georgia. This article, if we mistake not, when > properly manufactured, or woven into cloth, will prove a most > excellent article for soldiers use, for travelling purposes, and > especially for firemens clothing. It is both water-proof and > fire-proof. An instance is recorded wherein a fireman clothed in a > tissue made of this substance, with a proper hood as a covering for > his head, was surrounded by a flame of fire and remained in this > position for ninety seconds. His pulse during this time rose from 72 > to 152. Another fireman repeated the experiment, and remained in > contact with the flames for 3 minutes and 47 seconds. It was formerly > used for shrouds for burying the dead, and may now be used as a > valuable article for lining fire-proof safes, and serve a better > purpose than the ordinary fire-proof paint for covering houses. In > short, it can be woven into thread and manufactured into goods for > many valuable and useful purposes, both public and domestic. Will not > some of our more scientific citizens experiment on this subject, and > furnish us with the result of their investigations? > Vicki Betts Penny Ladnier wrote: >I am putting online a fashion terms dictionary from 1894. I came across asbestos being used in fabrics. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 12:04:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TH4ekf019576 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:04:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TH4QHH003516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:04:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TENEuM056777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:23:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TEN9rF025741; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:23:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9TEN6xQ025634 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from galadrielfinwe@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71985 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2006 14:23:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PFNEu7La3dj7OHNt2rtWaOrfdXBISjffkx7rYHIJR4pY8jQLakVroKsSViPEvX7aRymzJV/MG9q6kri8em4/LK8D6Dkg91EJza4fHDB+nNosWfE2CARASQYXDMj/jmlnKaqr8T/sHk8zfZKuVPVVFEhi3kEipfi6602Qn5Mh37E= ; Message-ID: <20061029142301.71983.qmail@web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.148.244.88] by web37908.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 06:23:00 PST Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 06:23:00 -0800 (PST) From: Galadriel Lothlorien Subject: [h-cost] Re: Cut on bias?? To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200610291112.k9TBChPm079225@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4544DF1A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:04:29 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 213a4584-2467-4c5c-b7e0-6a12cf7b298a Status: RO Hi Deredere. In my opinion, you should only cut ruffles on the bias if you want to 1)use a stripe or pattern and it becomes a design element, or 2)when you need a really crisp, stiff fabric (like dupioni, for example) to lie flatter. Bias ruffles want to fall. You won't get the spring out like you will with ruffles cut on the straight of grain. Have you considered circular ruffles? You should cut some samples and see which you like best. Regards, --Rachel ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:39:41 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 67a14c91-3047-4fb3-9466-d9af386eaf2c Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FB81.48DE7FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It might be Paris green - (Arsenic trioxide & copper acetate) =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Sharon at Collierfam.com Sent: Sun 10/29/2006 2:53 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Also, I remember something about a certain kind of green dye being dangerous. It was used in fabric and wallpaper, and children who ate the paper scraps got sick, also the people wearing a garment could get sick. There was something on this list a while ago about someone having an old dress she wanted to wear, but was told to be careful because of = potentially harmful dyes. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:26 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics I am putting online a fashion terms dictionary from 1894. I came across asbestos being used in fabrics. What are some of the other past fabrics = or dyes that have been found to be harmful to the wearer? I am worried now because I am working with a large fashion collection at the university. = I came across a bonnet lined with wool that I am allergic too. I broke = out in a rash and was sneezing uncontrollably. Here is the definition from the book: Asbestos : A fibrous variety of a mineral substance, composed of = separate filaments, with a silky luster. Its fibers are sometimes flexible and elastic, sometimes stiff and brittle, and when reduced to a powder are = soft to the touch. It is incombustible, and the fine qualities have been spun = and woven into gloves, shrouds, cloth for firemen's suits, lamp-wicks, = roofs, floors and for various other fire-proofing purposes. Its feeble = consistency has always has always been the chief obstacle to its general use among textile fabrics. It was mined in 1894 in Canada, Vermont, Virginia, = South Carolina and on Staten Island, New York. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FB81.48DE7FC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FB81.48DE7FC0-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 13:01:44 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TI1Yl7021322 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:01:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TI1PIs009701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:01:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9THxrmx082870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:59:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9THxpvA007922; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:59:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9THxg4X007784 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:59:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1GeEwe4841-0003tr; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:59:42 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01c6fb83$fbbf1790$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <535.9cb9d1e.3275dcd5@aol.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Ann's Article Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:59:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4544EC76.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 13:03:56 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TI3p6S021398 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:03:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TI3a7q011942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:03:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TI1SYt083228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:01:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TI1R4C009880; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:01:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TI1Gx4009667 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 11:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [71.197.12.37] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1GeEy9199h-0003vw; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:01:14 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c6fb84$32e3c2c0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006501c6fb2f$4e0b35b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4CC@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:01:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4544ECF8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 15:29:45 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TKTekj025997 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:29:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9TKTQYY015232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 15:29:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TKRJUm000894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9TKRBJk032654; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:27:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.168]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9TKR7YT032545 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 13:27:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9861 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Oct 2006 20:27:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gkNBYrUF7/vm8KEbMzh3U1ocPVSeDIEcu0tENc2n1DnmMlgI/0KD4+/9CYIBr/YL2kv/bAAPHEjQbTef1NkpPR4/ySocdbQ3odyerxYywK+yS08UpHlq0go0ct9SlE7WUIQLqrsyZ4wdS4LXqMvflXycbYa6EaOKJ9Rc9YbpMNs= ; Message-ID: <20061029202702.9859.qmail@web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.111.197.112] by web31005.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:27:02 PST Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:27:02 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] the best kind of compliment To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <45443306.7040408@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45450F26.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:53:44 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: f054b84a-c6fd-4935-8b0a-dd2d59a361d2 Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FBB5.73ECEEE8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Penny, =20 URL: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/TXSHhg.shtml paragraph about = mercury & hatters. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Penny Ladnier Sent: Sun 10/29/2006 1:01 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Patty, Do you have a source for the date of the last use of mercury in felt = hats in the U.S. You quoted a date last night. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FBB5.73ECEEE8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6FBB5.73ECEEE8-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 20:00:29 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U10KXC001681 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:00:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9U105ga010509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:00:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U0sML6037902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:54:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U0sD17041711; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U0s5Zs041636 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:54:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m79.in-tch.com [216.166.191.79]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k9U0fxQ13689 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:41:59 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <004601c6fbbf$115bec00$4fbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <454511C9.3090804@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! 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And *fierce* pumpkin face! ;oD You have a good one, too! --Sue, who's going to work on Tuesday as a 10th century Norse woman (okay...I'm lazy this year...it's SCA garb ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! > I wish you all a happy and creative Halloween! > http://www.deredere.dds.nl/HappyHalloween.jpg > > Greetings, > Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 21:20:52 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U2Kl5t004063 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:20:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9U2KXkx025394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:20:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U2IFAs049539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U2I4tN005053; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:18:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail7.tpgi.com.au (mail7.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U2HxxN004966 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:18:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-213-130-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.213.130]) by mail7.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9U2Hv3X004609 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:17:58 +1100 Message-ID: <007b01c6fbc9$9e5e5b60$82d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <454511C9.3090804@kabelfoon.nl> <004601c6fbbf$115bec00$4fbfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:20:36 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 2edb581f-c46f-49d7-8b8d-6e55bf07c75d Status: RO > --Sue, who's going to work on Tuesday as a 10th century Norse woman > (okay...I'm lazy this year...it's SCA garb ) > ah but it's Halloween, you need to add a Wagnerian style 'Viking' horned helmet (preferably with long blonde braids attached) and call yourself Brunhilda, for Halloween you've got to be a modern stereotype, not an accurate historical 'everyman' (or 'everywoman' in this case), you can dress as a famous historical figure (Marie Antoinette, Cleopatra, Napoleon, Henry VIII etc) but if you're an average woman of year X in true Halloween tradition it should be a stereotype like a 'wench' or a 'flapper' or a 'Viking' (in the style of a Wagnerian opera). Halloween is about pop-culture stereotypes, not historical accuracy :-D I won't be dressing up for Halloween as I'll be at home all day preparing for an exam on Friday so I suppose I can't really talk. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au Send photos of your haloween costumes to Am I Period Or Not: http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Oct 29 23:19:10 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U4IqBL007272 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:19:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9U4IXCC015420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:18:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U4FprT067408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:15:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U4Fibc097200; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U4Fdf5097144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k9U4FcAo001173 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:15:39 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:18:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC4CC@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45457D19.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:18:37 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 25d85878-aeec-4f0a-85ce-999282d231ac Status: RO Penny, Are you holding the fabrics up and breathing through them for long periods of time? Then I'd worry about asbestos, arsenic green, and mercury. Otherwise the chance of you being harmed by these substances left in vintage clothing has to be considered minute. If you are allergic to wool, this must be H**l for someone as interested in fashions of the past as you are. However, you know what wool looks like and feels like so there should be a decent chance for you to avoid handling something that will give you an allergic reaction. I wish there were something like the Urban Legends site that could de-bunk some of the "Napoleon died from breathing fumes from his wallpaper", or "little children died from ingesting mercury from broken thermometers". It is perfectly possible to swallow medical mercury and have unusually colored stools for a while. You can play with mercury droplets and have great fun pushing them with your bare hands to make them break up and come together. You won't die or become ill unless you have some very strange allergy (been there, done that, enjoyed my childhood as a pharmacist's daughter immensely. Don't breathe the fumes though. Asbestos is perfectly harmless unless the fibers become airborne and are breathed. All my schools were insulated with the stuff, frequently the ceiling tiles were made of it. We were in far more danger from burning to death in school building fires than we were from aspects inhalation. Even your Hasmat people will tell you that the asbestos siding on many older (pre-1970) homes is perfectly safe until you start messing with it and tearing it out. Same with all the lead in paint that most of us grew up around. Don't eat the stuff. Don't let your kids eat the stuff. If small muches occasionally would have killed or maimed a child, I should never have made it through puberty, nor should most of the children of Europe and America since lead based paints were common until fairly recently. My point here is that there are a lot of things to worry about, but mercury or arsenic poisoning from occasional handling of old textiles and articles aren't among them. Wanda Pease Harmful Fabrics > > > It might be Paris green - (Arsenic trioxide & copper acetate) > > Patty > > ________________________________ > > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Sharon at Collierfam.com > Sent: Sun 10/29/2006 2:53 AM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics > > > > Also, I remember something about a certain kind of green dye being > dangerous. It was used in fabric and wallpaper, and children who ate the > paper scraps got sick, also the people wearing a garment could get sick. > There was something on this list a while ago about someone having an old > dress she wanted to wear, but was told to be careful because of > potentially > harmful dyes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:26 PM > To: h-costume > Subject: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics > > > I am putting online a fashion terms dictionary from 1894. I came across > asbestos being used in fabrics. What are some of the other past > fabrics or > dyes that have been found to be harmful to the wearer? I am worried now > because I am working with a large fashion collection at the university. I > came across a bonnet lined with wool that I am allergic too. I > broke out in > a rash and was sneezing uncontrollably. > > Here is the definition from the book: > Asbestos : A fibrous variety of a mineral substance, composed of separate > filaments, with a silky luster. Its fibers are sometimes flexible and > elastic, sometimes stiff and brittle, and when reduced to a > powder are soft > to the touch. It is incombustible, and the fine qualities have > been spun and > woven into gloves, shrouds, cloth for firemen's suits, lamp-wicks, roofs, > floors and for various other fire-proofing purposes. Its feeble > consistency > has always has always been the chief obstacle to its general use among > textile fabrics. It was mined in 1894 in Canada, Vermont, Virginia, South > Carolina and on Staten Island, New York. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 00:31:12 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U5Uwfj009066 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:31:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9U5Udgi020876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:30:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U5SrlA076824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:28:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U5SowJ049010; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:28:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U5Sk5r048954 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:28:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) Received: from user-12l20nb.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.2.235] helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1GePhV-0004cS-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:28:45 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20061029232410.03623b80@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 23:28:20 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200610291900.k9TJ05hq060542@net.indra.com> References: <200610291900.k9TJ05hq060542@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: harmful fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45458DFF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 00:30:43 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 08bd6041-417b-4abf-b95e-ef3eaf67168d Status: RO I think several "heavy metals" salts were used for "weighting" silk - lead, arsenic, cadmium, etc. All are toxic - perhaps not so much when they were fresh (they didn't flake off or outgas), but they do cause the silk to disintegrate much faster than normal, and with that disintegration comes dust. Dust = inhaled = toxic results. Sandy At 01:00 PM 10/29/2006, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:36:34 -0400 >From: Gail & Scott Finke > >I remember posts about "lead salts" or something being used to weight silk >in, I think, the 1890s. I don't remember whether they are harmful to people >wearing them or to the fabric itself (causing it to disintegrate). But I >would search the archives for that one. > >Gail Finke "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 03:50:51 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U8ok0E008185 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:50:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9U8oSQL027647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:50:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U8lwmY004848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:47:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U8ln8k083793; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4m.socket.net [216.106.88.217]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U8lj9c083733 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F3BF436A0F for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:47:44 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 02:47:44 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: <007b01c6fbc9$9e5e5b60$82d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4545BCD4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:50:35 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: afee1cd5-f929-430c-b009-176f0057c3d7 Status: RO One Halloween to create the abundant Brunhilda of Wagnerian stereo type. Two plastic bowls were acquired. Glue was used to make a raise effect (plus a few other odds and ends) on the bottom of the bowls Then aluminum foil covered this and glued down. These were sewn to an apron dress and chains draped between the foiled bowls. placement of the bowls was a bit tricky. :) -----Original Message----- ah but it's Halloween, you need to add a Wagnerian style 'Viking' horned helmet (preferably with long blonde braids attached) and call yourself Brunhilda, _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 06:05:43 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UB5WUd002666 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:05:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UB5N6j011560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:05:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UAxiH2022662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:59:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UAxeip071286; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:59:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UAxbXS071205 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 03:59:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c71.3bd77eb (41811) for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:59:27 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:59:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4545DC73.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 06:05:26 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: f8a4b729-6dad-4713-a2cb-b7e9cefcb326 Status: RO Thanks for that summary. With many of these toxins, it is a matter of prolonged, repeated exposure over time. For example, the miners who mined asbestos for years, or small children who repeatedly ate lead paint chips for a long time. One or two lead chips wouldn't be harmful, in all likelihood. Similarly, a large dose of arsenic ingested at once could, of course, be fatal, but in cases of deliberate arsenical poisoning, usually small doses are given over a period of time. It does sound like Penny has a contact allergy, which is something different, and varies from individual to individual. As I said in my initial post, those early horror stories about aniline dyes did sound suspect to me. It does seem likely, though, that industrial runoff from the manufacturing plants into the surrounding water sources was NOT a good thing! Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 07:43:47 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UCha7F017458 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:43:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UChC45021643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:43:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UCgOq0036462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:42:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UCgJKl043821; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:42:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U4M1mY001659 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:22:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006103004215501100ch4g8e>; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 04:21:56 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <120a46e41532f0295851a6b877076c68@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:21:55 -0700 To: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Costume books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4545F360.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 07:45:49 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UCjeW7017514 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:45:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UCjVJs024099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:45:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UChm41036613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:43:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UChkFS044952; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 05:43:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9U4Y0Uc009912 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m253.in-tch.com [216.166.191.253]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id k9U4LtQ23585 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:21:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000a01c6fbdd$caf5fa20$fdbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <454511C9.3090804@kabelfoon.nl><004601c6fbbf$115bec00$4fbfa6d8@pavilion> <007b01c6fbc9$9e5e5b60$82d5f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:45:34 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 5446ecf6-9e1c-4ab9-8d79-e93017dd813e Status: RO Oh, Elizabeth! That is so very funny! ;oD Especially since I'm sort of built like a very large, very short Valkerie anyway. Dear god, but I'm laughing at the idea of my chest in a "brass bra" set up! I'll have to remember it for next year! This year, though, I don't have time to come up with anything genuinely schlocky and costumey, or good but costumey so I'm either going in SCA garb, or I'm wearing my weekday clothes, and going as a Muggle. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! > > > --Sue, who's going to work on Tuesday as a 10th century Norse woman > > (okay...I'm lazy this year...it's SCA garb ) > > > ah but it's Halloween, you need to add a Wagnerian style 'Viking' horned > helmet (preferably with long blonde braids attached) and call yourself > Brunhilda, for Halloween you've got to be a modern stereotype, not an > accurate historical 'everyman' (or 'everywoman' in this case), you can dress > as a famous historical figure (Marie Antoinette, Cleopatra, Napoleon, Henry > VIII etc) but if you're an average woman of year X in true Halloween > tradition it should be a stereotype like a 'wench' or a 'flapper' or a > 'Viking' (in the style of a Wagnerian opera). Halloween is about pop-culture > stereotypes, not historical accuracy :-D > I won't be dressing up for Halloween as I'll be at home all day preparing > for an exam on Friday so I suppose I can't really talk. > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 09:51:17 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UEpAJs002700 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:51:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UEokeI014496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:51:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UEmFkG054893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:48:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UEmE0W048753; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:48:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UEmAUZ048641 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:48:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061030144805.ISIA7353.fep30.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:48:05 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.80]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061030144805.WCTJ3609.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c6fc32$711406a0$50e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <120a46e41532f0295851a6b877076c68@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume books Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:48:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.63.231.80] at Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:48:01 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45461146.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:51:10 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 4699e174-4a79-434d-be52-9ad26e53e583 Status: RO Jep! I have a danish one, about costume and fashion clothes in the danish theater from 1745- 1960ies. It dont go further back than mid 18th century. But i learned a lot of things from this book. It also has pattern cuts of the excisting costumes. I learned for instance that mens embroidered suits of the 18th century were two fine to give to servants, so they were given to the theater in stead. Lower ranked people was only allowed to wear poor thin silks, wich were striped, so no suits for the waiters. And it was a problem to get rhid of the fine suits, as they could only be worn a coupple of times. It would not be of interrest for you, as it is in danish language i am afraid........... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Rognstad" To: Cc: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 5:21 AM Subject: [h-cost] Costume books > Has anyone ever come across a book that deals specifically with the > history of costuming for the stage? Not a costume history book, but how > costumes evolved for the theatrical industry. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 09:53:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UErBrx002754 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:53:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UEr8NB018994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:53:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UElOhn054686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:47:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UElAXq047747; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UEl7Y5047642 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:47:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0J7Y00L7DEDLLFX1@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:46:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:46:27 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume books In-reply-to: <120a46e41532f0295851a6b877076c68@ntw.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 454611D4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica/ Catriona -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:22 PM To: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Costume books Has anyone ever come across a book that deals specifically with the history of costuming for the stage? Not a costume history book, but how costumes evolved for the theatrical industry. Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 10:16:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFGUnC003375 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:16:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UFGQZ9008461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:16:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFE5Ed057889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:14:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFDuFt071194; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFDnbc070956 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:13:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE63A9B12 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:13:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <454616BB.5000201@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:14:03 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume books References: <120a46e41532f0295851a6b877076c68@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <120a46e41532f0295851a6b877076c68@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4546174A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 10:31:57 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFVv39003830 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:31:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UFVsgJ014503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:31:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFQSdr059527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:26:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFQOvv082624; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:26:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.157]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9UFQJP1082448 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:26:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyvonkulp@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35108 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Oct 2006 15:26:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=B0h602dzQZLYytIWmzdH5rrB2GDmziyHHub77pakvADk5xo1wu6yv1lMZr9OSOAGgVU+tx6KqXCtoXjQCBkfxGMO7BCTBlsSFhv54ylM6jxHw3RcYIPBi4I//RI1SIgRdE6dv4LREQCtJyJDC/wz1QfGRxcNUFCGIUQaEwQSXYE= ; Message-ID: <20061030152614.35106.qmail@web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.133.100.199] by web31611.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:26:14 PST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 07:26:14 -0800 (PST) From: Judith Bolenbaugh Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume books To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <454616BB.5000201@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45461AEA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Groups (http://groups.yahoo.com) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 11:03:20 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UG3Fqp004712 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:03:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UG3CJ8014688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:03:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFws4k065400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:59:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFtH4X011932; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:55:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [206.18.177.53]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UFsYh7011219 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20061030155426b13003tt53e>; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:54:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <591dd3f649d8f71076fe4fe2b1784fc0@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume books Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 08:54:24 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45462240.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:03:15 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 7b9d3a08-c7b2-439c-b34c-76417311006e Status: RO I have Brockett and am using him. Just wondered if anyone had seen a book just devoted to costuming. Perhaps there isn't enough info to make up a whole book, since the info in Brocket is rather sketchy. On Oct 30, 2006, at 7:46 AM, monica spence wrote: > Hi -- > Try theatre history books, not costume histories for that information. > The > trend toward "realistic period clothing" (making actors wear clothes > that > were something other than their own contemporary fashions with odd bits > draped over them) did not happen until the 19th C. Check out Charlotte > Cushman and the Duke of Saxe-Minegen (sp?). They both did a lot to > push the > concept. I used the book: History of the Theatre in grad school a > _long_ > time ago. It was pretty good. There is a later version on Amazon now > (History of the Theatre (9th Edition) by Oscar G. Brockett and > Franklin J. > Hildy). > > Monica/ Catriona > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:22 PM > To: TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com > Cc: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Costume books > > > Has anyone ever come across a book that deals specifically with the > history of costuming for the stage? Not a costume history book, but > how costumes evolved for the theatrical industry. > > Sylrog > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 16:52:58 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9ULqvBt015620 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:52:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9ULqrhL014585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:52:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9ULl77N095418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:47:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9ULjYdU092966; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:45:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9ULjCGV092373 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:45:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061030214508.GOUX7625.fep33.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:45:08 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.88]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061030214508.WNWL21675.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:45:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000601c6fc6c$b52d7300$5814a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:45:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.88] at Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:45:06 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] test X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45467435.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:52:57 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 5a21e59d-4857-4a8b-ba09-9fe08cb4dec3 Status: RO I posted to the list, but i didnt see it go trough§ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 17:06:07 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UM638T015868 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:06:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UM5xW0025433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:06:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UM3Ycf071893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:03:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UM3MZ1013750; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:03:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UM2svn013281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k9UN0DAR029799 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:00:13 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] test Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:06:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <000601c6fc6c$b52d7300$5814a150@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000601c6fc6c$b52d7300$5814a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200610301706.51889.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9UM2svn013281 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45467747.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:06:03 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 475c3e0e-77dd-4304-85c6-68a152617734 Status: RO On Monday 30 October 2006 4:45 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I posted to the list, but i didnt see it go trough§ I got this message, Bjarne. Maybe your first one will go through later--that happens sometimes. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 17:39:23 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UMdJQi016377 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:39:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UMdDPu017661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:39:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UMaCEB035048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UMYjnU046971; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:34:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UMYYWF046556 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:34:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k9UMYLG26326 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:34:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <004601c6fbbf$115bec00$4fbfa6d8@pavilion> References: <454511C9.3090804@kabelfoon.nl> <004601c6fbbf$115bec00$4fbfa6d8@pavilion> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <71198750-5130-4AE9-BFD6-C436325513CD@alfalfapress.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Althea Turner Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:34:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45467F11.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:39:19 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 1a288c40-a920-4ef2-a285-cbb4a5f34d93 Status: RO I still haven't decided if I am going as Snow White or a Witch. I am handing out candy at my ex-hubbies house so he can take the bairns around. If I wear my witch costume I could be the "Ex-wife... ya know.. rhymes with Witch..." The kids are Alien versus Predator. I have blisters on my blisters from carving foam. Have safe fun tomorrow! Blessing on Samhain! Althea On Oct 29, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Sue Clemenger wrote: > Cute bunny! And *fierce* pumpkin face! ;oD > You have a good one, too! > --Sue, who's going to work on Tuesday as a 10th century Norse woman > (okay...I'm lazy this year...it's SCA garb ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Deredere Galbraith" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:40 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! > > >> I wish you all a happy and creative Halloween! >> http://www.deredere.dds.nl/HappyHalloween.jpg >> >> Greetings, >> Deredere > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 18:55:25 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UNtPqp017292 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:55:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9UNtLve012127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:55:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UNqv6B074103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:52:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UNqXXI034859; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:52:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep50.mail.dk (fep50.mail.dk [80.160.77.103]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UNqRFE034692 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:52:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061030161153.KDTQ11187.fep32.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:11:53 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.80]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061030161153.WFRG21675.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:11:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c6fc3e$262f8c20$50e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:12:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.63.231.80] at Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:11:47 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] exciting reading and some questions. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 454690E9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:55:25 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 7615e09e-8712-49cd-840b-8312a04364fe Status: RO I am reading Amanda Foreman's nobel Georgiana Duchesse of Devonshire. And i enjoy it very much. Its full of fashionable details. I stumbled about this quotation about "false fronts" wich i dont think i know anything about. Does any of you? In the sanctuary og Devonshire House the two women amused themselves by experimenting with new hats and drawing patterns for dresses. The fashion for false hips and bottoms made of cork to round out the figure, and padded breast to fill out the bodice had ben in vogue since the 1770s. Georgiana added a new element: the false front to disguise pregnancy. She showed her design to her friends; they were so well received that the false fronts were soon worn even by women who were not pregnant. Georgiana was also responsible for the unprecedented sales of the "picture hat": wide brimmed hats, worn with a large sash and adorned with drooping feathers. She had posed in one of her own design, perching it stylishly on the side of her head, for her portrait by Gainsborough. After he exhibited the painting, women up and down the country ordered their milliners to make them a copy of the "Duchesse of Devonshire's" picture hat. Also in my making of the Kyoto Stays 1780 i wonder about the pronounsed front. The bustline is quite wide and off the natural breast. Could this be because a false breast improver was added? http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/anglaise.htm , at the bottom. How would such a thing be placed? was it over the breast, or under? Most of the fashion that time, they used a fichu over the bust, mostly to emphasize the shape. Sorry about these peculiar questions, but i have no idea! When you look at the picture of the Kyoto Stays in the book, it dont show, that it has such a pronounced bustline, but this is mostly because it is taken from the center front. On my model (the blue) you can see that it either is made for a very endoved lady, or because it want to improve the fashionable look. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Oct 30 19:05:32 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9V05WbF017442 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:05:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9V05Sfo025589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:05:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9V02DnE011064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:02:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9V026Vw044745; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:02:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9V01Z1P044287 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:01:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.caa.20f023e (58550) for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:01:21 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:01:20 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cut on bias?? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5331 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45469348.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 19:05:32 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 185a8ebd-c44a-4ad2-ac14-c04da30b5393 Status: RO In a message dated 10/29/2006 10:05:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: One reason for cutting ruffles on the bias is to reduce the amount of hemming you need to do. Fabrics cut on the bias fray much less than cuts on the grain (you need to hem these). Many of the 19th century gowns have bias-cut ruffles. ********************* I've never seen bias ruffles on a crinoline gown....but that certainly doesn't mean anything conclusive. Many ruffles I've seen on the large skirts of the mid 19th century are decoratively pinked if not hemmed....and cut on the straight. Like in the 18th century. Most are hemmed or bound and I've even seen some piped....all by machine. Before the machine, I can see why a bias ruffle would be desirable. But on bustle gowns I see ruffles on the bias all the time...even in solid colors. They are usually bound in the same or contrasting colors and usually flat-lined with something stiff and on the straight[!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 31 09:56:02 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VEu2it031813 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:56:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VEtwSb006572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:56:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VEqWVI091156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:52:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VEqJem060731; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:52:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VEq8si060503 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:52:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76CEA9F04 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:51:48 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4547632D.30304@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:52:29 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 09:56:02 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 759a18e0-4b7f-4867-a206-2cab932b233e Status: RO Althea Turner wrote: > I still haven't decided if I am going as Snow White or a Witch. My husband just left for the office dressed as Jack the Ripper. Wonderfully versatile, that top hat of his :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 31 15:23:54 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VKNhXX007048 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:23:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VKNdYE020443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:23:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VKKNOw044995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:20:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VKFr7a012543; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UL4UQ7047874 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:04:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 30 Oct 2006 21:04:11 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqMwAKz3RUXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbABJgQOKagIJDio Received: from 88-107-113-41.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.113.41]:1231 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1GeeI0-000JIE-Eo for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:03:24 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20020101025740.0329ef00@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:58:53 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume books In-Reply-To: <120a46e41532f0295851a6b877076c68@ntw.net> References: <120a46e41532f0295851a6b877076c68@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4547B0CB.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:23:43 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 8a047cb8-b6d9-48f3-a50e-a3c709d269b9 Status: RO At 04:21 30/10/2006, you wrote: >Has anyone ever come across a book that deals specifically with the >history of costuming for the stage? Not a costume history book, but >how costumes evolved for the theatrical industry. You could try Diana de Marly's "Costume on the Stage 1600-19?" http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?qwork=1359151&wauth=De%20Marly%2C%20Diana&matches=1&qsort=r&cm_re=works*listing*title Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 31 15:25:53 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VKPrcx007161 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:25:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VKPoAj005772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:25:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VKMh3Y045660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VKLYt7018869; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:21:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UMLn26032875 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:22:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20061030222136.IMYK7625.fep33.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:21:36 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.88]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20061030222136.WMRF9806.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:21:36 +0100 Message-ID: <000801c6fc71$cf330850$5814a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c6fc6c$b52d7300$5814a150@CPQ21932199711> <200610301706.51889.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] test Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:21:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.88] at Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:21:35 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 4547B14E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:25:53 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: ac5041b3-1d66-437d-b365-d8feb6005e0b Status: RO ok thanks! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] test > On Monday 30 October 2006 4:45 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: >> I posted to the list, but i didnt see it go trough§ > > I got this message, Bjarne. Maybe your first one will go through > later--that > happens sometimes. > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point > of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 31 15:46:19 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VKkJs3008045 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:46:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VKkFPO009745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:46:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VKiVEx050373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:44:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VKhFYS043310; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:43:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UGQDZL045747 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17836 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:25:36 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Costume books Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:25:28 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Costume books Thread-Index: Acb8PGMkt775BDmQRAahZLXtGnfo9QAAycsg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9UGQDZL045747 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4547B617.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:46:19 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 87cd93bd-203b-4dff-a48c-a07e2c0e0468 Status: RO For those that don't have a copy, check your nearest Barnes and Noble store to see if they have copies of the book "Fashion" from the Kyoto Museum of Costume. This 700+ page book has about 300 years of dazzling color photos from the museums collection. Now $19.99 Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 31 16:20:11 2006 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLK6hm009379 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:20:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VLK2U7005939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:20:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLICI8056143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:18:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLHwwD081084; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:17:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLHV3C080522 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 31 Oct 2006 21:15:04 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAGhLR0XUSnInh2dsb2JhbACBTIppAgkOKg Received: from 88-107-126-140.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.126.140]:3284 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Gf0wp-000ONt-Om for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:15:03 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20061031211038.032b56a0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:15:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Question re Robe a la Francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 4547BE02.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:20:06 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 471ba598-5199-4913-8e42-7630043429be Status: RO A friend has asked me a question and I have answered, but would welcome other comments. She asks if a Robe a la Francaise (sorry no proper marks) always has a split and laced up back. Has anyone seen the inside of one that doesn't? If so, are you able to give more information like pictures - always supposing you have permission to share them? I would appreciate any help. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 31 16:20:34 2006 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLKU04009405 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:20:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VLKOOJ023997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:20:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLEg8T055592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLESgd077476; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:14:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UNPPNA004772 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:25:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8601A20546; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 23:18:56 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:25:33 -0800 Message-ID: <003301c6fc7a$b26968a0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <007001c6fb33$c64f2fa0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Importance: Normal X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:20:30 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: 8767ce4f-0cc1-482b-9cc9-2e0be79cb18c Status: RO Yes, it was the arsenic green. But I know aniline dye is bad because we used it when I was in college and we were warned to be very careful. It made the most beautiful peacock blue, however. We didn't use it for clothing, just sets. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 1:25 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics Sharon, I found this on a webpage about aniline dyes, http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3983/is_200012/ai_n8905150/pg_4 . I really don't recommend going to this link because it wants to put too many cookies on your computer. But is this what you were referring to? The webpage makes several references to colors and dyes mentioned in Godey's. "Green, of the new shade called Metternich" was likewise "very fashionable" for a brief period between 1868 and 1870.41 Schultz reported that Metternich green was one of the trade names for iodine green, discovered in 1866.42 Presumably the name refers to the Princess Metternich, an acknowledged leader of Paris fashion, 43 who may have worn the color and thus made it fashionable. According to Challamel, green had fallen out of favor completely by 1861 because of cases of women who were poisoned by making or wearing garments colored with one of the arsenic-based green pigments, such as Scheele's green or Schweinfurt green. Since these were pigments and not dyes, the color could rub or flake off Despite this, arsenic green appeared in Godey's in 1867.44 Iodine green was a dye, not a pigment, and did not pose the same danger to the wearer. Because the Princess Metternich was known for her eccentricity, she might have adopted green in defiance of popular thought. " Off to run my spyware to get rid of all these cookies. I gave up on that webpage after seven requests to put cookies on my computer. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics > Also, I remember something about a certain kind of green dye being > dangerous. It was used in fabric and wallpaper, and children who ate the > paper scraps got sick, also the people wearing a garment could get sick. > There was something on this list a while ago about someone having an old > dress she wanted to wear, but was told to be careful because of > potentially > harmful dyes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Penny Ladnier > Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 1:26 PM > To: h-costume > Subject: [h-cost] Harmful Fabrics > > > I am putting online a fashion terms dictionary from 1894. I came across > asbestos being used in fabrics. What are some of the other past fabrics > or > dyes that have been found to be harmful to the wearer? I am worried now > because I am working with a large fashion collection at the university. I > came across a bonnet lined with wool that I am allergic too. I broke out > in > a rash and was sneezing uncontrollably. > > Here is the definition from the book: > Asbestos : A fibrous variety of a mineral substance, composed of separate > filaments, with a silky luster. Its fibers are sometimes flexible and > elastic, sometimes stiff and brittle, and when reduced to a powder are > soft > to the touch. It is incombustible, and the fine qualities have been spun > and > woven into gloves, shrouds, cloth for firemen's suits, lamp-wicks, roofs, > floors and for various other fire-proofing purposes. Its feeble > consistency > has always has always been the chief obstacle to its general use among > textile fabrics. It was mined in 1894 in Canada, Vermont, Virginia, South > Carolina and on Staten Island, New York. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 31 16:40:16 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLeCwL010193 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:40:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k9VLe8kA029779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:40:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLYSN9058514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLXFvb096420; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:33:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VLWhtf095745 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:32:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AF7258E041A; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 21:26:10 +0000 From: "Sharon at Collierfam.com" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Happy Halloween! 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Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 31 19:35:24 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA10ZOK9016018 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:35:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kA10ZKGM024584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:35:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA10Ybe4098204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:34:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA10YW6E089939; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jaguar.campus.muc.prv (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9UMpIZ2065896 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:51:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by jaguar.campus.muc.prv with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:54:35 -0500 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [h-cost] test Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:54:36 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B01554FC4@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <000601c6fc6c$b52d7300$5814a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] test Thread-Index: Acb8bj9TlvP5OeybQuKbrRJ2/XlDGwACBlQw From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2006 22:54:35.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[5EBD1BB0:01C6FC76] X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id k9UMpIZ2065896 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4547EBC8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:45 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] test I posted to the list, but i didnt see it go trough§ Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Oct 31 19:40:48 2006 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA10emSt016183 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:40:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id kA10eihL028692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:40:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA10dSWr099483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:39:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id kA10dQLY094594; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 17:39:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9VFV7l5098720 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:31:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cc7.1ac519d (60451) for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from FWM-M12 (fwm-m12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.76]) by ciaaol-r01.mx.aol.com (v113.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR014-ec2345476bf3239; Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:29:55 -0500 References: <200610301906.k9UJ0j18029245@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:29:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200610301906.k9UJ0j18029245@net.indra.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 21462 Received: from 68.143.196.38 by FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.76) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:29:55 -0500 Message-Id: <8C8CB188D7437D7-AE4-AAC7@FWM-M12.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.168.76 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.5, clamav-milter version 0.88.5 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Costume books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 4547ED0C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:40:47 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: d2d1add3-181b-45e2-9d3f-4065caf66972 Status: RO If you're looking for a used or out of print book, try Addall.com. They search hundreds of online booksellers for your title and can rank them by price, condition, etc. AbeBooks is one of the sites Addall uses. Tea Rose, enthusiastic but unaffiliated user. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 31 Oct 2006 19:43:56 -0500 (EST) X-UUID: df2f1c15-24db-4c31-8610-2c9bd31ad6b7 Status: RO In a message dated 10/31/2006 7:39:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tearoses@aol.com writes: If you're looking for a used or out of print book, try Addall.com. They search hundreds of online booksellers for your title and can rank them by price, condition, etc. AbeBooks is one of the sites Addall uses. I had really rotten luck the one time I tried Addall--okay, so it's just once, so far. But it led me to three different sources for a book, all of whom no longer had it. I've never had a bad experience using AbeBooks alone. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume