From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 1 08:34:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l11DY9FJ030588 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:34:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l11DXHIi001265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:34:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l11DTf3H036041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:29:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l11DT0JH022520; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:29:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l11DSvKc022482 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:28:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30943 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:18:07 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:18:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Romanesque costume In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20070131085401.026ac030@mail.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 260485d6-68c3-460b-9296-1784bc09429c X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45C1EC1D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:34:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > I am considering ordering a photocopy of > > Romanesque-Byzantine Elements in French and English Dress 1050-1180 by > Jennifer Harris. Univ. Manchester Ph.D Thesis (1977) > > Has anyone seen/read this Thesis? I haven't seen the thesis and can't speak to it, but Jennifer Harris had an excellent article on 12th-century clothing in a collection of essays edited by my colleague Gale Owen-Crocker a few years ago. (rustle, rustle) Here it is: Jennifer Harris, "Estroit vestu et menu cosu": Evidence for the construction of twelfth-century dress," in _Medieval Art: R4ecent Perspectives: A memorial tribute to C. R. Dodwell_, ed. Gale R. Owen-Crocker and Timothy Graham (Manchester University Press, 1998). ILL *that* book. You'll get a good idea of Harris's outlook from that, and then you can decide whether to plunk down the bucks to get the thesis. (My general feeling is that while I disagree with a few of her interpretations, it is a well-researched article that brings together a lot of hard-to-find evidence in a refreshingly coherent fashion.) Based on the title of the thesis, I wonder if the article I mention above wouldn't be much more in line with your interests anyway! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 1 14:31:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l11JV8EX007321 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:31:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l11JUEcd003782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:31:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l11JSoiw097243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:28:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l11JS2l5060549; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:28:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-smptin2.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpin2.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l11JRiLn060089 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.72]) by kumc-smptin2.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:27:51 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l11JRFE93929 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:27:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 01 Feb 2007 13:27:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:27:49 -0600 References: <200612191900.kBJJ0r7I013169@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:27:43 -0600 Message-ID: <45C1EAC5.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200612191900.kBJJ0r7I013169@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seminar in the Kansas City Area X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83c68cf8-7ab8-40a7-b81f-8012e1c176ee X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45C23FC7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:31:04 -0500 (EST) Status: RO For those in the KC area that might be interested this weekend: http://www2.kumc.edu/itc/staff/rknight/cs.htm Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 1 14:52:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l11Jq0vd007686 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:52:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l11Jp3R3013072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 14:51:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l11JnB4m000828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:49:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l11Jn7Uq086802; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:49:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l11Jn23v086603 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:49:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.20]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070201194857.WAKQ5292.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:48:57 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.20]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070201194856.RPNR6240.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:48:56 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20070201134710.0269d360@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:48:52 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Romanesque costume In-Reply-To: <200702011915.l11JFVIg046142@net.indra.com> References: <200702011915.l11JFVIg046142@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca724f07-beb5-4ddf-8ef1-fd4315ab7bb8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C244AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks Robin, I have that article on my list! Beth >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:18:07 -0600 (CST) >From: Robin Netherton > >I haven't seen the thesis and can't speak to it, but Jennifer Harris had >an excellent article on 12th-century clothing in a collection of essays >edited by my colleague Gale Owen-Crocker a few years ago. > >(rustle, rustle) Here it is: > >Jennifer Harris, "Estroit vestu et menu cosu": Evidence for the >construction of twelfth-century dress," in _Medieval Art: R4ecent >Perspectives: A memorial tribute to C. R. Dodwell_, ed. Gale R. >Owen-Crocker and Timothy Graham (Manchester University Press, 1998). > >ILL *that* book. You'll get a good idea of Harris's outlook from that, and >then you can decide whether to plunk down the bucks to get the thesis. (My >general feeling is that while I disagree with a few of her >interpretations, it is a well-researched article that brings together a >lot of hard-to-find evidence in a refreshingly coherent fashion.) > >Based on the title of the thesis, I wonder if the article I mention above >wouldn't be much more in line with your interests anyway! > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 1 19:51:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l120plwq013875 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:51:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l120osv5030923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:51:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l120oLqs047982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:50:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l120oBK4013406; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:50:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.219]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l120o6Nq013296 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:50:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.99]) by bay0-omc3-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:50:01 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 16:50:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.138.123 by by133fd.bay133.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:49:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:49:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2007 00:50:00.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[119FAEA0:01C74664] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Silk thread - best knot to tie off? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6af2c8af-d0d3-42cb-89e3-d2a1282bfec7 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C28AEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:51:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi - I am using YLI silk floss to make a wired head piece made from silk organza. I am having a hard time keeping a knot tied. I am waxing the thread and have tried several methods. Any suggestions? Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 1 20:10:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l121ApC9014172 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:10:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1219wLQ025456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 20:10:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1219ZRF051005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:09:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1219Xjs029027; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:09:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (s1.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.246.99] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1219T8R028869 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 18:09:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.118]) by bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:09:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:09:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.138.123 by by133fd.bay133.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:09:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: h-costume@indra.com, TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:09:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2007 01:09:24.0019 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6DAE030:01C74666] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cool picture X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d91005c7-c54b-48e2-a393-bc309da91eaf X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C28F66.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:10:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Not sure where my brain was, but I was recently asked for the artist who painted the painting of the gown I am reconstructing for the Phoenix Art Museum. Having lost the information, I again asked the museum for the name of the artist. All along I thought it was attributed to someone, but not known for sure. I guess I remembered incorrectly. The artist is Nicolaes Eliasz. Pickenoy. Armed with this new information I did a search on artcyclopedia. Anyway.... The Detroit Institute of Art has one of his paintings and are utilizing Flash Zoom....boy is it great. Being able to see this picture up close helped me immensly on the construction of the headpiece I am trying to make....thought you might enjoy it and maybe find other pics at the Institute helpful. http://www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp?objectid=44420 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 1 21:12:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l122CZKV015312 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:12:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l122BgJr024685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:12:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l122B3u1059934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:11:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l122AQ3w077521; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp5.america.net (qsmtp5.america.net [69.60.160.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l122A1Ui077209 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:10:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladymaggie@justinanimator.com) Received: from [65.125.64.173] (helo=MAX.feccommunications.net) by qsmtp5.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1HCnsG-0006v4-Qm for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:10:01 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070201194228.0191df50@justinanimator.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:09:57 -0600 To: Historical Costume From: Genie Barrett In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cool picture and best knot to tie off? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7265c3f-2378-454f-9b86-758da4a6dfcd X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C29DDF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:12:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Really cool painting... >Being able to see this picture up close helped me immensly on the >construction of the headpiece I am trying to make....thought you >might enjoy it and maybe find other pics at the Institute helpful. > >http://www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp?objectid=44420 > >Sg So, are you using the silk for the embroidery part? One of the things I have found with silk, from the Chinese, is that they sew a tiny x with the silk floss, and then run the needle under the x and tighten it slightly to knot the end. To start, they sew the x over the tail of the silk thread. I usually cover my knots with subsequent embroidery. This pattern seems to be more open, so that might not be possible, but it's how I get my silk to never work free. If that doesn't make sense, I'll try to find some pictures of what I'm talking about. Good luck Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 1 21:15:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l122Fwdu015398 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:15:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l122F69x030365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 21:15:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l122EeRQ060578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:14:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l122Ed8L080709; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l122Eamb080677 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:14:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Received: (qmail 32421 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2007 18:14:36 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 32358, pid: 32407, t: 3.5681s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:42/d:2451 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 1 Feb 2007 18:14:32 -0800 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070201181045.0276ae88@surewest.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:14:21 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk thread - best knot to tie off? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:15:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 04:49 PM 2/1/2007, you wrote: >Hi - I am using YLI silk floss to make a wired head piece made from >silk organza. I am having a hard time keeping a knot tied. I am >waxing the thread and have tried several methods. Any suggestions? > >Thanks, Sg I use the same method for all my hand-stitching: Holbein double-running stitching for the beginning and ending 1/2 inch or so. I don't trust knots. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 01:23:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l126N3fj019414 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:23:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l126MFFO015884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:22:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l126LQIH097715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:21:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l126LIC7074235; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l126LDBt074172 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:21:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6ABB8E04E8; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:14:03 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW: Polistampa - 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580' Reprint Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:21:06 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c74692$526c3060$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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Eventi correlati: Presentazione del libro Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 Moda a Firenze 1540-1580 Lo stile di Eleonora di Toledo e la sua influenza Qualora desiderasse non ricevere pi¨´ informazioni editoriali o altra posta dalla ns. Casa Editrice, ¨¨ sufficiente che risponda a questo messaggio inserendo la parola RIMUOVI in ¡®oggetto¡¯. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 01:27:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l126RaO1019476 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:27:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l126QiV6020569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:27:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l126QMET098383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:26:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l126QLZh078244; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:26:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l126QHWv078158 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:26:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7DB43E04CA; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:19:07 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cool picture Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:26:10 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c74693$078f30f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 01:27:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oh my gosh! Under close magnification, it looks like her headpiece is made like a French hood, but the brim is of very sheer material. Is that correct? It's great, though. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:09 PM To: h-costume@indra.com; TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com Subject: [h-cost] Cool picture Not sure where my brain was, but I was recently asked for the artist who painted the painting of the gown I am reconstructing for the Phoenix Art Museum. Having lost the information, I again asked the museum for the name of the artist. All along I thought it was attributed to someone, but not known for sure. I guess I remembered incorrectly. The artist is Nicolaes Eliasz. Pickenoy. Armed with this new information I did a search on artcyclopedia. Anyway.... The Detroit Institute of Art has one of his paintings and are utilizing Flash Zoom....boy is it great. Being able to see this picture up close helped me immensly on the construction of the headpiece I am trying to make....thought you might enjoy it and maybe find other pics at the Institute helpful. http://www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp?objectid=44420 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 02:25:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l127PdqZ028817 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:25:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l127OqfE009364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:25:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l127OFGF006893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:24:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l127OBUf024212; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l127O4Qx024108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 00:24:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l127O3ZH013412 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:24:03 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW: Polistampa - 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580' Reprint Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:26:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: <000b01c74692$526c3060$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 52d23983-31e2-4597-8255-590630dd5f07 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C2E744.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:25:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I think we are going to have a better way of getting this book. David Brown books contacted me because I suggested THEY carry it. That way they can do all the work of getting it, pricing it (looks like about $99.50 but don't quote me yet) and making it available. They speak English, they do mail order all the time; they take plastic. I've even known them to make a deal where you pay in installments! If there was ever a book that those who love the Italian Renaissance either in costuming or in history (or both). You NEED this book! Stay tuned to this Group for further developments! Regina Romsey > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sharon Collier > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:21 PM > To: 'Historical Costume' > Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW: Polistampa - 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580' Reprint > > > I want one. How can I reserve it? I tried to contact Polistampa, (in > Italian) but I don't know if the email got to them. At least, I haven't > heard from them since I sent it a week ago. > Sharon C. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 03:14:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l128Exuu011332 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:14:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l128E4wD028168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:14:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l128CEXr014984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l128CC5O063616; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:12:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l128C80o063559 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2AFC13C29C for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:12:08 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:12:10 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20061121224528.026a2030@mail.alltel.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Festive Attyre X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4cab95de-735f-4c87-a350-5ba2f6a6adad X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C2F2CC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 04:11:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l129B94J017599 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 04:11:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l129AGne021028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 04:11:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1299PFm023895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:09:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1299JCV006690; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:09:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1299BTp006468 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 02:09:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2007 09:08:22 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAPKOwkXUSnInk2dsb2JhbACOYwEBAQcODR2QfgEBAQE Received: from 88-107-125-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.125.48]:1174 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HCuP5-000Eqs-Jt for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:08:19 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070202090805.035b8fe0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:08:18 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Festive Attyre In-Reply-To: References: <6.0.0.22.0.20061121224528.026a2030@mail.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3de6f7ab-5239-48e0-a8a3-2869e3b796d8 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C2FFF8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:11:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 08:12 02/02/2007, you wrote: >I tried to find an email address but can't seem to find one. >Could someone let the owner of Festive Attyre know that she needs a spelling >correction with the Italian working class file. The artist is Vincenzo >Campi, Vicenzo Campi. > >Thank you, >De That's done. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 05:32:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12AWkDM002283 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:32:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12AVwxc014605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:32:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12AV8UW035575 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:31:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12AUxd3076070; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:30:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12AUujm076022 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 04C9738B3D for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 04:30:55 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Festive Attyre Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 04:30:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070202090805.035b8fe0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91a43a07-d149-4c82-a0be-fa561e3d0b2c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C3131F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 05:32:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thank you. De -----Original Message----- That's done. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 05:36:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12Aa73Z002676 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:36:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12AZEZJ024789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:36:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12AYmIZ036080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:34:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12AYlBf079137; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:34:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12AYf6D079036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 03:34:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-228-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.228]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l12AYVEq018313 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:34:38 +1100 Message-ID: <000d01c746b5$bdbfd880$e4daf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:34:32 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9af91196-be46-40c2-9ab4-b29d8bbe9914 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C313E3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 05:36:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Simplicity has just released a new mid 1850s pattern http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=3855 (Simplicity calls it 'Civil War' but it's clearly a fashionable 1850s style) I'm not questioning the design (the basic design looks good though the one in the photo doesn't seem to fit the model all that well, but it wouldn't be the first time a good dress was let down by photographers who didn't know what it was supposed to look like) but I was wondering if anybody has heard of the designer, Deborah Woodbridge? just for curiosity's sake as given the 'museum curator' tag it looks like they plan to make this part of another set relying on the good reputation of a particular designer to counteract the fact that it's a big 3 pattern and most major commercial patterns should be avoided if you want accuracy. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 07:04:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12C4S2V020052 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:04:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12C3eIa028112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:04:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12C2wtQ046256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:02:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12C2sla051988; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:02:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com (nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12C2nHE051867 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:02:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) X-ORBL: [69.107.63.224] Received: from [192.168.1.103] (adsl-69-107-63-224.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.63.224]) by nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12C2cn6013469 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:02:38 -0600 Message-ID: <45C3290A.1070601@frys.com> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:05:30 -0800 From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: - [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design References: <000d01c746b5$bdbfd880$e4daf5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <000d01c746b5$bdbfd880$e4daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d229d7a-0779-48a6-8611-de4bbe555fa8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C3289C.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:04:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm not > questioning the design (the basic design looks good though the one in > the photo doesn't seem to fit the model all that well, I'd say the skirt's too big, but other than that I like it. I'd use that bodice and sleeves, add a peplum, and call it a jacket. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 07:49:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12CnodJ023046 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:49:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12CmvaN027335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:49:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12CmOrN051415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:48:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12CmMmr092332; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12CmDm5092141 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:48:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2007 12:42:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAM7BwkXUSnIvh2dsb2JhbACOYwEBCA4qkGYBAQEB Received: from 88-107-125-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.125.48]:2506 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HCxhz-000Ff8-2C for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:40:03 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070202123817.03601a50@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:39:24 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Festive Attyre In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070202090805.035b8fe0@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e610c0da-015e-4270-b991-c1a1d0f5ba4c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C3333A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:49:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 10:30 02/02/2007, you wrote: >Thank you. >De > >-----Original Message----- Had a message back that she has checked the spelling and it is correct as written on her web site. It may be that there are other spellings? I don't want to get involved - I am only the messenger. There is an e-mail on her site, I am sure. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 07:52:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12CquUn023096 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:52:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12Cq2tv028759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 07:52:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12CotG0051780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:50:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12CooIQ094274; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:50:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12CoSDW093819 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:50:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.76]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070202125019.JQQZ5292.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:50:19 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.76]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070202125017.URGM2834.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:50:17 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20070202063603.029e5b10@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 06:49:52 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW: Polistampa - 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580' Reprint In-Reply-To: <200702021204.l12C4GXL053194@net.indra.com> References: <200702021204.l12C4GXL053194@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l12CoSDW093819 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7445270a-7d9d-4111-9d05-057c68447708 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:52:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO David Brown http://www.oxbowbooks.com/ is very good to deal with, but so is Michael Shamansky http://www.artbooks.com/ Speaking of which, has anyone seen: Dalla testa ai piedi. Costume e moda in età gotica. Atti del Convegno di Studi, Trento, (From head to foot. Custom and fashion in the Gothc Age.) 7-8 ottobre 2002 edited by Laura Dal Pra and Paolo Peri. ISBN: 8877021659 Price: $82.50 Shamansky Description: Trento: Provincia Autonoma di Trento, 2006. 28cm., pbk., 622pp. prof. illus., most in color. Papers from the symposium held on the occasion of the exhibition "Il Gotico nelle Alpi". (Beni Artistici e Storici del Trentino, Quaderni, 12) Beth At 06:04 AM 2/2/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 23:26:37 -0800 >From: "Wanda Pease" > >I think we are going to have a better way of getting this book. David Brown >books contacted me because I suggested THEY carry it. That way they can do >all the work of getting it, pricing it (looks like about $99.50 but don't >quote me yet) and making it available. They speak English, they do mail >order all the time; they take plastic. I've even known them to make a deal >where you pay in installments! > >If there was ever a book that those who love the Italian Renaissance either >in costuming or in history (or both). You NEED this book! > >Stay tuned to this Group for further developments! > >Regina Romsey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 08:51:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12Dpwgn024780 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:51:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12Dp6jF031319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:51:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12Do7RP061221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:50:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12Do1CB052609; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:50:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.238]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12DnvoE052444 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:49:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.30]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:49:51 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:49:51 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY133-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:49:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c74693$078f30f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:49:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:49:53 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2007 13:49:51.0717 (UTC) FILETIME=[03151150:01C746D1] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Headpiece Construction was: Cool picture X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bed4b33-a713-483b-af9b-85bb8732a217 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C341CA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 08:51:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've never studied the French Hood in detail. These all look like little stacked wedding cakes to me. The PAM picture only has the front band and then what looks like one little can with a lid on it. The front band isn't as wide. I am going to make the lace in front attached to a little cap, over which the front band is set. I think I am going to make the back gathered into a hole through which her hair is pulled and then pin the can into her hair. This works great on my head block, but I can't use T pins on the live model, darn it! The sheer part is pretty straight forward - I am glad in this picture you are able to see the "bump" in the center indicating wire running straight to the back. It is very visible in many other pictures. I can't see this in the PAM gown, but was unable to get the silk organza to lie smoothly without it. I've made this as a separate wired piece as there are other pictures showing it worn alone, but will probably sew it on the band to keep it in place. How they kept this all so clean and precise I don't know. I am using stainless steel welding rod for wire - I assume they had no way to completely prevent rust. I know there is evidence that they wrapped thread around the wire - That took way too long and they don't make a millinery wire this stiff....so I used floral tape! There are some pictures with a slightly different style where everything is kinda' crumpled up. The wires are bent - etc. Its hard to imagine them not getting that way pretty quick! Thanks for your interest. Saragrace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:26 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cool picture > Oh my gosh! Under close magnification, it looks like her headpiece is made > like a French hood, but the brim is of very sheer material. Is that > correct? > It's great, though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:09 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com; TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [h-cost] Cool picture > > > > http://www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp?objectid=44420 > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 08:57:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12DvhUZ024888 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:57:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12DusGm001793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:57:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12Dt9ci062000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:55:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12Dt73c057854; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:55:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12Dt2so057633 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 06:55:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.16]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:54:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 05:54:56 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY133-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:54:56 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070201181045.0276ae88@surewest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk thread - best knot to tie off? 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Status: RO Had to look up the Holbein Double running stitch, but now I see what it is. Also I think I understand Genie's suggestion. I'll try both. I was planning on using it to stitch all the folds in the ruff as well - hopefully the little x's will work there - everything I've tried, has worked itself loose. Thanks, Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Jurancich" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk thread - best knot to tie off? > I use the same method for all my hand-stitching: Holbein > double-running stitching for the beginning and ending 1/2 inch or > so. I don't trust knots. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > So, are you using the silk for the embroidery part? One of the things I have found with silk, from the Chinese, is that they sew a tiny x with the silk floss, and then run the needle under the x and tighten it slightly to knot the end. To start, they sew the x over the tail of the silk thread. I usually cover my knots with subsequent embroidery. This pattern seems to be more open, so that might not be possible, but it's how I get my silk to never work free. If that doesn't make sense, I'll try to find some pictures of what I'm talking about. Good luck Genie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 10:20:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12FKZOk026753 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:20:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12FJhtT006320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:20:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12FIG4b077354 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12FHuKO050306; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12FHnj9050071 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:18:11 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l12FHaC88177 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:17:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 02 Feb 2007 09:17:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:18:11 -0600 References: <200702021204.l12C4GXK053194@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 09:17:59 -0600 Message-ID: <45C301C5.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200702021204.l12C4GXK053194@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Polistampa - 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580' Reprint X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30a57f97-f052-4bae-8e68-79f58aad72cf X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45C3568F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:20:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I think we are going to have a better way of getting this book. David Brown books contacted me because I suggested THEY carry it. That way they can do all the work of getting it, pricing it (looks like about $99.50 but don't quote me yet) and making it available. They speak English, they do mail order all the time; they take plastic. I've even known them to make a deal where you pay in installments! If there was ever a book that those who love the Italian Renaissance either in costuming or in history (or both). You NEED this book! Stay tuned to this Group for further developments! Regina Romsey **************************************** Michael Shamansky will also be carrying it. He told me he has contracted for half the edition. Current price is $99.99 but he admits that could change depending on exchange rates and shipping but he will be trying to keep it as low as possible. Contact information for him is: Michael Shamansky, Bookseller Inc P.O. Box 3904 Kingston, New York 12402 Telephone: 1-800-527-6775 (845 331 8519) Fax: 845-331-0852 Email: mshamans@artbooks.com Url: www.artbooks.com Catherine who has really regretted not having gotten this book earlier and has a copy on order. Come on April!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 10:29:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12FTJTg027499 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:29:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12FSKMw021945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:29:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12FR3Vd079693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:27:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12FQxpu062115; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:27:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12FQq37061877 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:26:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cd7.81e3e47 (14502) for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:26:43 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:26:41 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2b20f48-73b2-4d10-a132-6285440aa229 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C3589B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 13:30:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12IUC0j032019 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:30:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12ITHvx012321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:30:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12ISX0W013193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:28:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12ISFfW089113; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:28:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12FHsqT050189 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 08:17:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070202151746.EREI5700.fep30.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:17:46 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.233]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070202151745.FTRK13466.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:17:45 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c746dd$4cc16d10$e914a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cool picture Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:17:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.233] at Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:17:41 +0100 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d973ee9c-e472-4737-b480-b678787f3312 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C382FD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:30:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO That is amazing. Did you notice that when you zoom in at the headpiece, you can see that the wire was attached with heavy buttonholestitches. Thanks for showing us Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:09 AM Subject: [h-cost] Cool picture > Not sure where my brain was, but I was recently asked for the artist who > painted the painting of the gown I am reconstructing for the Phoenix Art > Museum. Having lost the information, I again asked the museum for the > name of the artist. All along I thought it was attributed to someone, but > not known for sure. I guess I remembered incorrectly. The artist is > Nicolaes Eliasz. Pickenoy. Armed with this new information I did a search > on artcyclopedia. Anyway.... > The Detroit Institute of Art has one of his paintings and are utilizing > Flash Zoom....boy is it great. > > Being able to see this picture up close helped me immensly on the > construction of the headpiece I am trying to make....thought you might > enjoy it and maybe find other pics at the Institute helpful. > > http://www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp?objectid=44420 > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 13:56:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12Iu2fC032650 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:56:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12ItFcm023752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:55:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12IsWac017518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:54:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12IsPmk019274; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:54:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12Is87B018869 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:54:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cff.8aa5ef9 (41810) for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:53:54 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cool picture To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b610949-ed4a-4074-a150-83394bd5f464 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C38913.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:55:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/2/2007 1:33:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Did you notice that when you zoom in at the headpiece, you can see that the wire was attached with heavy buttonholestitches. **************** Beautiful! I'm just now looking at this masterpiece. Have we discussed the black poofs on the sleeves? I don't think I've ever seen such a treatment in black. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 14:23:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12JNfAC001075 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:23:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12JMnqH019136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:23:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12JM5Jc022206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12JLfnW052413; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:21:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12JLOaN052049 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc3-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:21:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:21:10 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.217.110 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:21:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.217.110] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cool picture Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:21:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:21:09 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2007 19:21:10.0179 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B91A730:01C746FF] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd4da04e-0bd4-495a-91e5-8e33712802bf X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45C38F89.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:23:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO You & Bjarne must have great eyes! Are you talking about around the outer edge of the sheer part? I have to say, I am not sure I had seen the treatment in black either. I strongly wonder if the PAM pick sitter isn't part of this family, or rented her costume from the same provider. There are some distinct similarities in the gowns (the black puffs for example), jewelry and lace. Sg ----- Original Message ----- > Beautiful! > I'm just now looking at this masterpiece. Have we discussed the black > poofs > on the sleeves? I don't think I've ever seen such a treatment in black. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 15:13:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12KCthN003106 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:12:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12KC67r031391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:12:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12K6CKL029618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:06:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12K5vm1001282; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:05:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33613.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33613.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l12K5ptY001030 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:05:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from slc_fire@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10802 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Feb 2007 20:05:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3/PTYjkTUPmF2uaVgSQcFWUiCe3Kdo3iA6JiHOonK3OvdgSL7gdinJ82eu/ratfFbLKAAy8YjcTleKV9lJKwhdIs6CfYWS5m61k7B99mtD9fhx7+JxgnHUWF/MVzSnrDUA03BphxEPWJqmcjBoqkExf7/1qei++nABpZDuwx+F4=; X-YMail-OSG: cFsHWJMVM1kGUavtdSopzqwP.uMMVROewSkdzyKSGb78CSm42kkr3UFDjtxRqrqUHy_pfJznK4hu4Z2bTG.qC5ughAZw1_avX8ORye71SbwstFdDHiFQw3ReYJ9.vKosXcaA7cikMNAYyPU- Received: from [66.110.201.67] by web33613.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 12:05:39 PST Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:05:39 -0800 (PST) From: slc_fire Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cool picture To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <551350.10766.qm@web33613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 250e05e7-b0ca-4aac-b286-95aeee03eae5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C39B16.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:12:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Painters of that period were known to carry their own sitting garb and armor. I found it absolutely fascinating to walk around the Louvre and see how many subjects I could find in the same cloths from the same artist! Very fun. There was one artist in particular (and I can't remember his name) that I found 6 men/boys in the same armor and 3 women in the same dress. Cheers, Sheree Saragrace Knauf wrote: I have to say, I am not sure I had seen the treatment in black either. I strongly wonder if the PAM pick sitter isn't part of this family, or rented her costume from the same provider. There are some distinct similarities in the gowns (the black puffs for example), jewelry and lace. Sg ----- Original Message ----- > Beautiful! > I'm just now looking at this masterpiece. Have we discussed the black > poofs > on the sleeves? I don't think I've ever seen such a treatment in black. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance! --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 15:17:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12KHLU0003197 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:17:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12KGTZH003835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 15:17:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12KFnL9030943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:15:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12KFlpF011206; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12KFhM9011131 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:15:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D23D3D691 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:15:40 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Festive Attyre Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:15:45 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070202123817.03601a50@suziclarke.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49f0fe6f-4a38-413e-9631-09a98e32c091 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C39C1D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:17:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Understand the messenger part. The Artcyclodedia and museum websites have the Vincenzo spelling which is why I thought it was wrong on hers. :P De -----Original Message----- Had a message back that she has checked the spelling and it is correct as written on her web site. It may be that there are other spellings? I don't want to get involved - I am only the messenger. There is an e-mail on her site, I am sure. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 16:49:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12LnD9f005023 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:49:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l12LmLTd026754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 16:49:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l12Llhrt045457 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:47:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12LlSxi003303; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:47:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l12LlKKO003149 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:47:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AFB968004F6; Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:40:09 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Headpiece Construction was: Cool picture Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:47:13 -0800 Message-ID: <002f01c74713$b2f32b60$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:49:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Try wrapping the wire in bias tape or strips..Then coat with glue. Or just coat the wire with glue or paint. Latex is stretchy enough so you can still bend the wire. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:50 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Headpiece Construction was: Cool picture I've never studied the French Hood in detail. These all look like little stacked wedding cakes to me. The PAM picture only has the front band and then what looks like one little can with a lid on it. The front band isn't as wide. I am going to make the lace in front attached to a little cap, over which the front band is set. I think I am going to make the back gathered into a hole through which her hair is pulled and then pin the can into her hair. This works great on my head block, but I can't use T pins on the live model, darn it! The sheer part is pretty straight forward - I am glad in this picture you are able to see the "bump" in the center indicating wire running straight to the back. It is very visible in many other pictures. I can't see this in the PAM gown, but was unable to get the silk organza to lie smoothly without it. I've made this as a separate wired piece as there are other pictures showing it worn alone, but will probably sew it on the band to keep it in place. How they kept this all so clean and precise I don't know. I am using stainless steel welding rod for wire - I assume they had no way to completely prevent rust. I know there is evidence that they wrapped thread around the wire - That took way too long and they don't make a millinery wire this stiff....so I used floral tape! There are some pictures with a slightly different style where everything is kinda' crumpled up. The wires are bent - etc. Its hard to imagine them not getting that way pretty quick! Thanks for your interest. Saragrace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:26 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cool picture > Oh my gosh! Under close magnification, it looks like her headpiece is made > like a French hood, but the brim is of very sheer material. Is that > correct? > It's great, though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:09 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com; TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [h-cost] Cool picture > > > > http://www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp?objectid=44420 > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 19:49:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l130noum008395 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:49:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l130mwVY004951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:49:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l130mEQS068596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:48:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l130mAHm069426; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:48:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l130m47k069357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:48:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-220-35-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.220.35]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l130lqC4004996 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:47:58 +1100 Message-ID: <000901c7472c$f35d4e60$23dcf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:47:52 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8686fb2a-c205-4064-84d8-820b609404d6 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C3DBFA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 19:49:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hmm, I think this is just another case of Simplicity overestimating the yardage required and not making most efficient use of fabric, compare it to this pattern http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=4510 and the yardage isn't that much different (1/8 yd more but 4510 has ruffles and a closed neckline) Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design > 12 yards @45" for the dress? 12 yards???? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 22:20:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l133KjDQ010623 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 22:20:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l133JrJN026161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 22:20:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l133JDKu088181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l133J9UC076130; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l133J6MX076039 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:19:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.182] (sjs-130-65-37-182.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.182]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l133IxYa001069 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:19:00 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 19:18:57 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1932d00-3be6-4a20-aca6-f2d0684b46fa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C3FF59.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:20:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Feb 2, 2007, at 7:26 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > 12 yards @45" for the dress? 12 yards???? It's plaid. It's all matched. All the horizontals match (roughly). Cutting it is going to be wasteful. -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ San Jose, CA - '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) - '92 K75sa '03 R1150R (Kevin's) ...remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 2 23:47:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l134lSLM011938 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:47:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l134kein026789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:47:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l134k50e096428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:46:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l134k0qC027668; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:46:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l134jv40027568 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:45:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bdf.f581751 (30737) for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:45:48 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 23:45:46 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 00e9e28e-24cd-42d5-9210-f8a1a0f4a869 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C413B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:47:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/2/2007 10:20:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, attrembl@bovil.com writes: It's plaid. It's all matched. All the horizontals match (roughly). Cutting it is going to be wasteful. **************** I can see that! It still wouldn't take me 12 yards. [and that was the yardage for plain ol' fabric, not plaids or one way designs or naps, as far as I can see] Perhaps the skirt is 4 or 5 panels instead of just 3, which of course is nearly 4 yards at the hem and plenty. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 08:27:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13DRCPN021683 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:27:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13DQJAX029415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:27:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13DPRWg043409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 06:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13DPHIb069922; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 06:25:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mistral.mail.adnap.net.au (mistral.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.90]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13A4aho025961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 03:04:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 202-6-154-113.ip.adam.com.au ([202.6.154.113] helo=GilgameshII) by mistral.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HDHkz-0007KF-5r for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:34:29 +1030 Message-ID: <001f01c7477a$a84b2e30$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200702021204.l12C4GXN053194@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:34:13 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a475d3fc-45a8-49ae-8bce-e0ade4721e4d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C48D7B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:27:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Message: 13 Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 21:34:32 +1100 From: "Elizabeth Walpole" Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design To: "Historic Costume" Message-ID: <000d01c746b5$bdbfd880$e4daf5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Simplicity has just released a new mid 1850s pattern http://www.simplicity.com/dv1_v4.cfm?design=3855 (Simplicity calls it 'Civil War' but it's clearly a fashionable 1850s style) I'm not questioning the design (the basic design looks good though the one in the photo doesn't seem to fit the model all that well, but it wouldn't be the first time a good dress was let down by photographers who didn't know what it was supposed to look like) but I was wondering if anybody has heard of the designer, Deborah Woodbridge? just for curiosity's sake as given the 'museum curator' tag it looks like they plan to make this part of another set relying on the good reputation of a particular designer to counteract the fact that it's a big 3 pattern and most major commercial patterns should be avoided if you want accuracy. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 04:05:30 -0800 From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows Subject: Re: - [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <45C3290A.1070601@frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'm not > questioning the design (the basic design looks good though the one in > the photo doesn't seem to fit the model all that well, I'd say the skirt's too big, but other than that I like it. I'd use that bodice and sleeves, add a peplum, and call it a jacket. Is it just me or does the back of the dress on the packet look like it was cut out of crumpled material? Perhaps the model is too small for the dress? Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 08:28:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13DSCb6021705 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:28:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13DRO3k015383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:28:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13DR3NW043930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 06:27:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13DR1Ug071796; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 06:27:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.73]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13DAUii059167 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 06:10:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.26]) by bay0-omc1-s1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 05:10:25 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 05:10:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.250.203 by BAY135-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 13:10:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.250.203] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:10:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2007 13:10:25.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB1FAC20:01C74794] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e913d51e-3b0c-4ebb-9410-5d0d0f0633ec X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C48DBC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 08:28:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Why would you worry so much about matching the plaid? I could see it in the back seams of the bodice and the centre front...but for the skirt? Yes, it seems like an awful waste of fabric. Kelly > On Feb 2, 2007, at 7:26 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: >> 12 yards @45" for the dress? 12 yards???? > > It's plaid. > > It's all matched. > > All the horizontals match (roughly). > > Cutting it is going to be wasteful. > > -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ > San Jose, CA - '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) - '92 K75sa '03 R1150R (Kevin's) > ...remaining .sig trimmed for better message/.sig ratio > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 09:33:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13EWuZo023113 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:33:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13EW8m2005020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:32:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13EVKRf006592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:31:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13EVHh1025449; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l13EVDKw025300 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 78399 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2007 14:31:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.157.170 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2007 14:31:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WieDX0oVM1n._vjoX35uhhqSBMbhu1sFmiuDO5XtOUIFK_bWwbXHOzqntP7dwJEcN2jsGmSFCdajWSZqd3.4GG_g6dCDKFbewUgRnyrfQJqIOAyVaTOu.hDebmQFB59Q9w-- Message-ID: <001801c7479f$ec98fd90$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002f01c74713$b2f32b60$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Headpiece Construction was: Cool picture Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:30:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5e2f113-0ef1-407e-b4a4-71a9f1ec3193 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C49CE8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 09:32:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Don't forget florist tape...white or green for covering wire. I am not sure that lampshade crafters use this or another specialty tape. Great stuff. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Headpiece Construction was: Cool picture > Try wrapping the wire in bias tape or strips..Then coat with glue. Or just > coat the wire with glue or paint. Latex is stretchy enough so you can > still > bend the wire. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:50 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Headpiece Construction was: Cool picture > > > I've never studied the French Hood in detail. These all look like little > stacked wedding cakes to me. The PAM picture only has the front band and > then what looks like one little can with a lid on it. The front band > isn't > as wide. > > I am going to make the lace in front attached to a little cap, over which > the front band is set. I think I am going to make the back gathered into > a > hole through which her hair is pulled and then pin the can into her hair. > This works great on my head block, but I can't use T pins on the live > model, > > darn it! > > The sheer part is pretty straight forward - I am glad in this picture you > are able to see the "bump" in the center indicating wire running straight > to > > the back. It is very visible in many other pictures. I can't see this in > the > > PAM gown, but was unable to get the silk organza to lie smoothly without > it. > > I've made this as a separate wired piece as there are other pictures > showing > > it worn alone, but will probably sew it on the band to keep it in place. > > How they kept this all so clean and precise I don't know. I am using > stainless steel welding rod for wire - I assume they had no way to > completely prevent rust. I know there is evidence that they wrapped thread > around the wire - That took way too long and they don't make a millinery > wire this stiff....so I used floral tape! > > There are some pictures with a slightly different style where everything > is > kinda' crumpled up. The wires are bent - etc. Its hard to imagine them > not > > getting that way pretty quick! > > Thanks for your interest. > > Saragrace > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Collier" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 11:26 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Cool picture > > >> Oh my gosh! Under close magnification, it looks like her headpiece is >> made >> like a French hood, but the brim is of very sheer material. Is that >> correct? >> It's great, though. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf >> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:09 PM >> To: h-costume@indra.com; TheRenaissanceTailor@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [h-cost] Cool picture >> >> > >> >> http://www.dia.org/the_collection/overview/viewobject.asp?objectid=44420 >> >> Sg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 09:46:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13EkcKG023513 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:46:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13EjpYC020822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:46:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13EjQZ4008540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:45:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13EjMLx038984; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:45:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l13EjIdT038848 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 07:45:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 40165 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2007 14:45:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.157.170 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2007 14:45:11 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nQPI4_EVM1nHJlX8nQDslr1aRGgxHqVimtM3I5KnS88_z_Z_pii65ksFecq.6LYh4gNUkCF1da6ex_FX4yykLgqoS35dnEWvIqjcIbGk7tBJHvC5E_iVtxY- Message-ID: <007c01c747a1$e335a940$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:44:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] sequins and spangles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77bf70f1-764d-45a0-84d0-156356bd1b7b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C4A01F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 09:46:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I know that we have discussed this in the past but cannot remember a referrance or definition. In 18th C. embroidery, what is the difference between spangles and sequins used for additional embellishment. I have been reading the Mackenzie text for the Wade collection at Snowshill and she shows embroidery samples that use both in the same illustration. I am preparing a major part of my Collection for auction and have several pieces of elaborate embellishment that I am trying to describe. Also, Re the composition of sequins, besides gel, what might they have been formed from before 1930? Can someone put me in the right direction Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 10:18:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13FI7J2024354 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:18:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13FHFRc022203 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:18:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13FGquB012161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:16:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13FGnDi064720; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:16:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l13FGj0n064550 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 49663 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2007 15:16:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.157.170 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2007 15:16:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oxIuPh8VM1mrvhKkXX2MCMp8r7TtF9sCURbYACaIRFG_onAxKeYPA9kDxUm9q5lKzYq6LGCK7ddeeFIbnXc8 Message-ID: <008f01c747a6$48eb1e60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "H-Costume" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:16:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] weavers description X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22c25266-874f-41cd-b657-724022d3f9a0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C4A77B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 11:19:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13GJUuo026310 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:19:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13GIbWZ018715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 11:19:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13GHrCQ020791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:17:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13GHgkg019684; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:17:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13GHXii019360 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 09:17:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BBCC051E for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:17:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45C4B58E.70308@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 10:17:18 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequins and spangles References: <007c01c747a1$e335a940$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> In-Reply-To: <007c01c747a1$e335a940$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b95bc42-0b16-45d6-aad8-46ff074fdc32 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45C4B5DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 11:19:26 -0500 (EST) Status: RO LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > I know that we have discussed this in the past but cannot remember a > referrance or definition. In 18th C. embroidery, what is the difference > between spangles and sequins used for additional embellishment. I don't know that there is a differencr other that etymology. Sequin is the French/Italian derived word and Spangle is the English/Dutch derived word. Unless you're using the modern useage of a sequin is cupped and spangle is flat. > > Also, Re the composition of sequins, besides gel, what might they have > been formed from before 1930? Metal foil. Dawn in bitterly cold Missouri _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 12:39:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13HdO5g028591 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:39:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13HcVAG012037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:39:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13Hbhk7034615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:37:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13HbcFW000322; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13HbXoc000212 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:37:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.19] (acty1019.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.19]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0131D5E578 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:37:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45C4C855.7070808@dandy.net> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:37:25 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequins and spangles References: <007c01c747a1$e335a940$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> In-Reply-To: <007c01c747a1$e335a940$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88d15c13-3676-4599-9137-eb6d407c8514 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C4C898.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 12:39:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi. The 16th and 17th C versions that I have seen up close were manufactured by making a circle of metal wire and hammering it flat. This is still the method done on some spangles from India. It also explains why some of the spangles on a few jackets from (IIRC) the Burrell collection are teardrop-shaped; they were either made that way or they were mis-strikes. I have made some for my wife for her embroidered work, and they come out remarkably like the historical ones I have seen. Mike T. LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > I know that we have discussed this in the past but cannot remember a > referrance or definition. In 18th C. embroidery, what is the > difference between spangles and sequins used for additional > embellishment. I have been reading the Mackenzie text for the Wade > collection at Snowshill and she shows embroidery samples that use both > in the same illustration. > > I am preparing a major part of my Collection for auction and have > several pieces of elaborate embellishment that I am trying to > describe. Also, Re the composition of sequins, besides gel, what > might they have been formed from before 1930? > > Can someone put me in the right direction > > Kathleen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 15:29:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13KTmEo032686 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:29:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13KT1Zo025743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 15:29:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13KSGTl060666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:28:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13KSCte055371; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:28:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13KS8vF055304 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:28:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=jA5n4B7xfeK6jhFFCdhx9YpZI4gjQhLHD/kxw4Yj0qIchNPhgeZ/3g3tWluO9QjU; h=Received:Mime-Version:X-Sender:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:References:Date:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.125.98.83] (helo=[172.16.1.11]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HDRUV-00030d-Cr for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:28:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: claning@igc.org@pop.igc.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007c01c747a1$e335a940$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> References: <007c01c747a1$e335a940$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:45:31 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequins and spangles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c554337bd6bb5d807509a6497756a697a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.125.98.83 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ea16f73-e2ca-460c-a944-cce378b5d6ec X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C4F08D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:29:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 9:44 AM -0500 2/3/07, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: >I know that we have discussed this in the past but cannot remember a >referrance or definition. In 18th C. embroidery, what is the >difference between spangles and sequins used for additional >embellishment. I have been reading the Mackenzie text for the Wade >collection at Snowshill and she shows embroidery samples that use >both in the same illustration. > >I am preparing a major part of my Collection for auction and have >several pieces of elaborate embellishment that I am trying to >describe. Also, Re the composition of sequins, besides gel, what >might they have been formed from before 1930? Don't know whether this would help, since it's several centuries before your period, but there's a brief discussion of the medieval equivalent at: http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm -- ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 18:02:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13N2H2L003984 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:02:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13N1Jrm018431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:02:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13N0ghH081864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:00:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13N0Z3r079268; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l13HGqvN076503 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 10:16:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 17066 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2007 17:16:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.157.66 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2007 17:16:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FzCeiqQVM1lQ53J.LPhul984e1Db.hjgUjk836dSVhAxs6KhFhM_OvHvEem1cM0_3MiFMFyHv3dAnMtZjvVnU2H9CmtRAh.YuiUUCFCA9VVI0KXomgFVQB4- Message-ID: <002501c747b7$0c639ab0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <007c01c747a1$e335a940$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <200702031120856.SM05568@mxgw1.washjeff.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequins and spangles Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:16:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 471a4bb3-374d-4109-8966-3bfbe6a2ec74 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C51449.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO This was my memory also but Althea Mackenzie specifically speaks of both sequins and spangles in the example for view in the Snowshill collection. Both are plain to see; there is a visual difference between the sizes. The spangles are plainly metal and the others look to be another substance. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] sequins and spangles > LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > >> I know that we have discussed this in the past but cannot remember a >> referrance or definition. In 18th C. embroidery, what is the difference >> between spangles and sequins used for additional embellishment. > > I don't know that there is a differencr other that etymology. Sequin is > the French/Italian derived word and Spangle is the English/Dutch derived > word. > > Unless you're using the modern useage of a sequin is cupped and spangle is > flat. > >> > >> Also, Re the composition of sequins, besides gel, what might they have >> been formed from before 1930? > > Metal foil. > > > Dawn > > in bitterly cold Missouri > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 18:06:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13N6jbc004083 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:06:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13N5vKA000938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:06:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13N5FYX082633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:05:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13N5D2S083449; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13KtTOR078040 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 13:55:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070203205528.DYXO15420.fep33.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:55:28 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.9]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070203205528.GLTE11319.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:55:28 +0100 Message-ID: <003d01c747d5$a4e51070$0914a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:55:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.9] at Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:55:24 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] seaquins and spangels X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0dd49d86-14f3-49f6-b652-3cffdd2085af X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C51555.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:06:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Seaquins and spangels are the same. Its round flat metal cirkles with a hole in the middle. Most were made of silver and gold, in 18th century they started to make colloured ones made by silver foil wich was vernished in collours. There also was other shaped ones, wich they called paillons in france. They could have more holes to stitch it to the surface with. If you want to read more about it i recomend the book: Art of the Embroiderer by Saint Aubin. He was a master embroiderer to Louix XV. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 18:29:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13NT6wl004691 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:29:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l13NSETN020820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:29:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l13NRscW085537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:27:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13NRqht001429; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:27:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l13NRnSq001369 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:27:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 912C938CA0 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:27:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sequins and spangles Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:27:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8baf4797-112b-484b-b654-e86866353f07 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45C51A8E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:29:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Bezants are not the medieval equivalent. You can find spangles in the renaissance and I believe there are a few medieval extent examples, one where you have bezants and spangles. I only know of the modern differentiation of spangles and sequins but prior to I think the 1930s, both names believe meant the same thing. Musing, I wonder, if in etymology (?) spangled meant strewn with. Or did the Star Spangled banner mean that spangles were used to form stars on the flag he saw? De -----Original Message----- At 9:44 AM -0500 2/3/07, LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: >I know that we have discussed this in the past but cannot remember a >referrance or definition. In 18th C. embroidery, what is the >difference between spangles and sequins used for additional >embellishment. I have been reading the Mackenzie text for the Wade >collection at Snowshill and she shows embroidery samples that use >both in the same illustration. > >I am preparing a major part of my Collection for auction and have >several pieces of elaborate embellishment that I am trying to >describe. Also, Re the composition of sequins, besides gel, what >might they have been formed from before 1930? Don't know whether this would help, since it's several centuries before your period, but there's a brief discussion of the medieval equivalent at: http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm -- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 20:18:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l141Ig66007187 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:18:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l141HoC6017386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:18:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l141H8Y5099908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:17:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l141H2ov080219; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51315.mail.yahoo.com (web51315.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.125]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l141H0GA080085 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:17:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 35362 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Feb 2007 01:16:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=B1OfEFJnTrJIEm2i9HTi7LjO/A7Mn8ia3AZS1qjShNQ6HTFzC1afdEYpS+TzsDEV+057SKc3+11v/Awr4eFhQVZN+Dav/+zLwsZig/pVAhSctN9funyzBsI8uyKVV3NCmritHnz4dWG6+QN8J8K7+zRUoBpvR4iErljgvAKBv40=; X-YMail-OSG: jtpU838VM1l8XBcV0BTn1CGQ_W1920tnYYM4Yi.A2gHa_LkWqX2lJgNnMLQwAiTkMy1cwIvQksUMzo6scFttr2qbcTh3QDqJSsEo0yhUpJfKrV5SOOdyr67HV6yx0.eY5PNljba0vEQ5s4A- Received: from [69.183.50.229] by web51315.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:16:54 PST Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:16:54 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <509509.32938.qm@web51315.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Flag RE: sequins and spangles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 215e5b6b-9e5f-4a28-bace-d46cf645b680 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C5343E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:18:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO --- otsisto wrote: > Musing, I wonder, if in etymology (?) > spangled meant strewn with. Or did the Star Spangled > banner mean that > spangles were used to form stars on the flag he saw? > De The actual flag flying during the battle & inspiring Mr. Key is extant, and is made of cloth. Wool bunting from England for stripes and union and appliqued white cotton stars. There's been a major re-conservation of the flag (1998-2005), which the Smithsonian did right behind a big window, installed for the purpose, so visitors to the museum could watch the conservators at work, and see the flag. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 20:21:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l141LMOS007254 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:21:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l141KT71025448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:21:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l141K4YW000536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:20:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l141K1NA082768; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:20:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l141Jugw082577 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 18:19:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8524DC062E for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:19:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45C534BF.1080005@reddawn.net> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:19:59 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0234b64-5347-47ac-8042-716293fba5c0 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C534DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 20:21:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Andrew T Trembley wrote: > On Feb 2, 2007, at 7:26 AM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >> 12 yards @45" for the dress? 12 yards???? > > > It's plaid. > > It's all matched. > > All the horizontals match (roughly). > > Cutting it is going to be wasteful. > After looking at it today, I noticed a few things about the way it is laid out. There's the usual cut panels for the skirt which are then sewn back together, not all that wasteful except in time. The biggies that I saw were in the bias cut lower sleeves and in the "skirt facing panels" that line the inside of the bottom half of the skirt. There's probably 3+ yards in those panels. Also, they have you cut a bunch of pieces for the self ruching, rather than use scraps. I would say that an experienced seamstress could do that dress easily on 8 yards of fabric, probably a few less if it wasn't matched plaid. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 3 21:36:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l142a2Sj008958 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:36:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l142ZApZ020171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:35:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l142YWKu010569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:34:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l142YRWn043207; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:34:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nlpi012.sbcis.sbc.com (nlpi012.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l142YNND043066 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 19:34:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) X-ORBL: [69.107.92.168] Received: from [192.168.1.103] (adsl-69-107-92-168.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.92.168]) by nlpi012.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l142YGT8031596 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 20:34:16 -0600 Message-ID: <45C546DB.3070009@frys.com> Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:37:15 -0800 From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design References: <45C534BF.1080005@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <45C534BF.1080005@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49242253-e9ed-4687-8f10-4cbb789b7ccd X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C5465E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:35:59 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > I would say that an experienced seamstress could do that dress easily on > 8 yards of fabric, probably a few less if it wasn't matched plaid. Cut the skirt in one piece and the plaid matches itself. Then cut all the other pieces that way up on the plaid, so they match too. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 4 00:40:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l145edvD015349 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 00:40:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l145dqXT016594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Feb 2007 00:40:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l145dK2Z030281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:39:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l145dFq8064369; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:39:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ruby.spiritone.com (ruby.spiritone.com [216.99.193.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l145dCbc064344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 22:39:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by ruby.spiritone.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l145dAml015582 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:39:11 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Polistampa - 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580' Reprint Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:41:41 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: <45C301C5.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 387a7433-6289-4491-812c-bc88ee7e2c7c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C571A8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 00:40:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Glad to hear that Michael Shamansky will also be carrying it. Considering how quickly the first edition sold out, I don't think we are going to have a bidding war going on between the two companies. I suspect that those I saw looking wistfully at the last copy Pastiche had as I laid my plastic down because I couldn't bear to see a good friend pass it up for a little thing like she was going to England the next week and had no free cash, will be happy to find it at either place. So will the Book Sellers of Pennsic! I like David Brown Book Company because their marketing director knows me by name from all the times I have written him to point out he is an Agent of Satan (His duties being largely ceremonial) and a pusher. I've also had wonderful dealings and gotten great books at prices that I could never have afforded otherwise. Michael Shamansky's offerings are always at full price. I'm not putting the company down for that! They carry first rate books from places that I'd never think to look. However, I'm a born bargain shopper, and completely helpless when it comes to foreign languages. I've paid big bucks for books in languages I couldn't read without a x to x dictionary if they had enough color plates. Still, it tickles my fancy to find something exotic at a $9.95 price tag. Regina Romsey > **************************************** > Michael Shamansky will also be carrying it. He told me he has > contracted for half the edition. Current price is $99.99 but he admits > that could change depending on exchange rates and shipping but he will > be trying to keep it as low as possible. Contact information for him > is: > > Michael Shamansky, Bookseller Inc > P.O. Box 3904 > Kingston, New York 12402 > > Telephone: 1-800-527-6775 (845 331 8519) > Fax: 845-331-0852 > > Email: mshamans@artbooks.com > Url: www.artbooks.com > > Catherine > who has really regretted not having gotten this book earlier and has a > copy on order. Come on April!! > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 4 09:22:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l14EMtoX011268 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:22:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l14EM0RA028657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:22:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l14ELBjL081805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:21:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l14EL5MX095666; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:21:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l147PlA7023785 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 00:25:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08628 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 02:15:09 -0600 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 02:15:09 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need help from someone with a scanner X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e0a709c-b7f8-4641-ae6f-fd29f511e5b7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C5EC0F.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:22:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If anyone out there has been to my lectures, and also has a scanner and would be willing to scan something for me, could you please e-mail me directly? (It's obvious when I'm working on an article. I keep interrupting the list with frantic pleas for help finding things.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 4 09:51:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l14EpGZ4011870 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:51:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l14EoOGf011505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:51:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l14EneH5085179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l14Encl9017901; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:49:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l14EnZBh017782 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 07:49:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cbf.74cac29 (14502) for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:49:15 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:49:13 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity 1850s design To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c7a6357-5063-423e-bdbf-00cccb9d2537 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C5F2B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:51:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/3/2007 9:35:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kayta@frys.com writes: Cut the skirt in one piece and the plaid matches itself. Then cut all the other pieces that way up on the plaid, so they match too. ************* If it's an even plaid. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 4 18:10:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l14NAbeH024737 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:10:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l14N9n23001947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:10:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l14N9HXj050208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:09:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l14N9663010823; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l14N93io010735 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:09:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 18388 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2007 23:08:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.156.193 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2007 23:08:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: w1XYSsMVM1nYv39.8XeeS5waeCkPxPwC90IOxMVrGFNwuql0Mh05dVP9PYrM9Ap8oqQeFa8kRoI2TikZ.nwSjraRzx_6q1JgORpy6lDpLntdwXizpH_NJZk- Message-ID: <000a01c748b1$6b149230$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003d01c747d5$a4e51070$0914a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] seaquins and spangels Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 18:08:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30e76456-50f7-4a32-bd85-c8acd2f7fbd9 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45C667BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:10:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Bjarne, have you seen this book from the Ward collection at Snowshill? The illustrations of photos do not give a real explanation of spangles and sequins as compatable with metal discs as I have seen with Your work. This puzzles me. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: [h-cost] seaquins and spangels > Seaquins and spangels are the same. Its round flat metal cirkles with a > hole in the middle. > Most were made of silver and gold, in 18th century they started to make > colloured ones made by silver foil wich was vernished in collours. > There also was other shaped ones, wich they called paillons in france. > They could have more holes to stitch it to the surface with. > If you want to read more about it i recomend the book: > Art of the Embroiderer by Saint Aubin. > He was a master embroiderer to Louix XV. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 5 04:00:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1590Mqs000916 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 04:00:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l158xTfZ008427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 04:00:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l158x1kq013087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 01:59:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l158wpaT078834; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 01:58:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l158wlLZ078803 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 01:58:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.22007417; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:58:24 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l158wN206022.; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:58:24 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:58:23 +0000 Message-Id: <45C6F1A702000014000CA746@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:58:15 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] sequins and spangles References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=44% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67e11be5-1f14-43d0-8852-e45a496971b0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C6F1F1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:00:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> "otsisto" 03/02/2007 23:27 >>> wrote > ... Musing, I wonder, if in etymology (?) spangled meant strewn with. Or did the >Star Spangled banner mean that spangles were used to form stars on the flag he saw? >De According to Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary, "spangle" as a verb means "to set or sprinkle with, or as if with, spangles" ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 5 10:51:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15FpmxF015683 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:51:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l15Fospq008673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:51:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l15Fnxnv077690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:50:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15FnroN083213; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:49:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15FnmtH083117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 08:49:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1HE66B-0000Cm-G6 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 09:49:43 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:49:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] in search of fake fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4b556453-c210-40bf-9724-da63b0f3bbe9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C7525E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:51:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Specifically, something that closely resembles ermine. I can find thicker stuff--if I wanted to line something with mink or fitch I'd be set--but I haven't been able to find something that is as low pile as ermine. Everything I've found is too thick and heavy. Would a white minky fabric be what I'm looking for? Many thanks, /Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 5 13:05:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15I5oiN020613 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:05:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l15I4rU6021438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:05:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l15I3qNY009592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:03:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15I36F1045592; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:03:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15I30gn045418 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13761 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:52:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:52:25 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need help from someone with a scanner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2839693-9b5a-46e8-b152-bfa9ec242d66 Status: RO On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Robin Netherton wrote: > If anyone out there has been to my lectures, and also has a scanner... I have what I need now. Many thanks to those who wrote! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 5 13:37:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15IawHI021517 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:36:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l15Ia3kk004644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:36:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l15IZPsi016823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:35:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15IZ8Q1083153; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:35:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15IYnEM082821 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:34:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.15.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.15]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HE8fv-0004FN-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:34:48 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DF81A19-6D94-4F67-BCC9-C6B62662D01E@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] in search of fake fur Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:35:10 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39051b9a-a2e5-427f-9ea3-9c9810800ce1 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C77913.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:36:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I wish I could tell you the name of the fabric I found a couple of years ago when I was looking for fake ermine. You're right, all the fake furs are too deep-pile. My fabric guy showed me a creamy-white brushed fabric that close up was merely napped but from a distance of 3 feet or more could easily pass for ermine. He's a mill-end store and doesn't segregate fabrics into use categories, and for most things I buy from him (for theatrical costumes) I only ask for cleaning instructions, not for name of fabric and not necessarily even for fiber content; that's why I don't know what it was. At a place like JoAnn's you might try looking at pajama fabrics and upscale fleeces. Depends on how close to you the viewers will be. I had already bought some white fake fur from him the week before, hoping it would work for ermine, and I did use that on the edges of the garments I was making (modified houppelandes for "medieval banquet" king and queen) to get the full fur effect; I used some also to line the queen's sleeves, but I had to shear it with a razor because although it was short-pile for fake fur it was still too long for ermine, and too heavy. I used the brushed fabric to line the king's sleeves (edged them with sheared fake fur) because the person playing the king was very heavy himself and got easily overheated. From a short distance, the "fur" lining his sleeves was at least as credible as the queen's, and in fact looked more luxurious. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Feb 5, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Pixel, Goddess and Queen wrote: > > Specifically, something that closely resembles ermine. I can find > thicker stuff--if I wanted to line something with mink or fitch I'd > be set--but I haven't been able to find something that is as low > pile as ermine. Everything I've found is too thick and heavy. > > Would a white minky fabric be what I'm looking for? > > Many thanks, > > /Jen > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 5 13:40:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15IeI97021601 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:40:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l15IdM04006056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:40:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l15Icdoi017519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15IcZDQ087598; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l154icXi026421 for ; Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:44:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from vickycoleen2000@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94478 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Feb 2007 04:44:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0VuHEibaSBnn+CDxTbAAPMwUYb3Fr2YpnfPBHpl+GK4RzGZy0qECsHmXGFKvs8+Lv18KZ48qIhP7PSWCrcMe3bctVqdozZ53x3UkBTFhTTHHlbMwwe7eiYrbXjwSevltulTyvDp3Mt2sYQyGdb44p+hKbsG2BkrGNKd8x3PubFU=; X-YMail-OSG: 4Hq73nUVM1nAI_CLNLSnWzJy2eEWyZDbZ.24Cm0izu2RhiewLFvP3xmhjnPnm76CiSLPV83NugQSQUpZ3Lxcy5QmEGgKDBvj4gWiqEyIOOE0DMnFio4f3JZYuDx9qHckj9hzIhMCa_3yCe8- Received: from [216.96.25.166] by web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 04 Feb 2007 20:44:32 PST Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:44:32 -0800 (PST) From: Vicky Simpson Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric sale To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <45C36B2B.8010504@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <55908.94073.qm@web31904.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d2b2b073-66c4-4ed4-927d-afe423c375d4 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C779DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:40:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks for the link! I don't shop there often, but like to save money when I do. Does anyone know a good source for a lightweight wool to made into a cape/robe? Vicky Dawn wrote: Most of you are probably already on the Joann's mailing list, but for those who aren't, here's an opportunity to sign up and receive the 50% off coupons for this weekend's sale. http://www.joann-mail.com/J0508y1f/coupon_forward.html?r=0553899147&i=J0508y1f10 They will email you a couple times a month with sale information and coupons, but they do not share your information with anyone else. It's easy to get off their list if you want to. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume You can find me at: www.360.yahoo.com/vickycoleen2007, www.southerngracedesigns.com, and www.myspace.com/vickycoleen . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 5 13:58:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15IwiPv022058 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:58:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l15IvouN015255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:58:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l15IuxrB021455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:56:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15Iuk3P011082; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:56:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15Doj4b068583 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 06:50:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070205135039.QNNS11643.fep30.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:50:39 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.228]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070205135038.HNME10241.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:50:38 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01c7492c$a2385d20$e414a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003d01c747d5$a4e51070$0914a150@CPQ21932199711> <000a01c748b1$6b149230$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Subject: Re: [h-cost] seaquins and spangels Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:50:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.228] at Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:50:31 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a51c577-62ba-4cb8-8ba7-b047ddeb556f X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C77E2E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:58:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dear Kathleen, Is it the book with embroideries? I have it, got it as a gift. Page 46 says "made of silk velvet with scattered sequins of silver, possibly silver over copper. Sequins, also known as paillettetes , were traditionally made by coiling a circular silver wire tightly around a long core of wood or metal. The word sequins is younger than spangels or paillettes, it is from the time where they became quite cheap and commersially made in plastic. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] seaquins and spangels > Bjarne, have you seen this book from the Ward collection at Snowshill? > The illustrations of photos do not give a real explanation of spangles and > sequins as compatable with metal discs as I have seen with Your work. This > puzzles me. > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 3:55 PM > Subject: [h-cost] seaquins and spangels > > >> Seaquins and spangels are the same. Its round flat metal cirkles with a >> hole in the middle. >> Most were made of silver and gold, in 18th century they started to make >> colloured ones made by silver foil wich was vernished in collours. >> There also was other shaped ones, wich they called paillons in france. >> They could have more holes to stitch it to the surface with. >> If you want to read more about it i recomend the book: >> Art of the Embroiderer by Saint Aubin. >> He was a master embroiderer to Louix XV. >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 5 15:59:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15KxSPa025312 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:59:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l15KwV3C023303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:59:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l15KvdFI045581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15KvX2T049195; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l15KvSYM049007 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:57:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c05.f890dbd (52350) for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d20 (mblk-d20.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.12]) by ciaaol-r01.mx.aol.com (v114_r2.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR018-cc7e45c79a2890; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:57:12 -0500 References: <200702051902.l15J0FlG015156@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:57:12 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200702051902.l15J0FlG015156@net.indra.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 22250 Received: from 68.143.196.38 by mblk-d20.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.12) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:57:12 -0500 Message-Id: <8C9177F57E89C6B-9A8-8DD@mblk-d20.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.12 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: in search of fake fur X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f8ab384-b96a-46d6-9664-0c56ec05e33c Status: RO If you haven't already seen it, the March issue of Taunton's Threads magazine has a cover story about faux fur. There are lots of sources listed inside. I can transcribe them if people are interested. Also, it reviews a book that people on this list might find interesting. It's called Clothing and Textile Collections in the United States. It lists more than 2,600 collections in museums, historic sites and universities, and it's published by Texas Tech University Press. HTH, Tea Rose Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:49:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" Subject: [h-cost] in search of fake fur Specifically, something that closely resembles ermine. I can find thicker stuff--if I wanted to line something with mink or fitch I'd be set--but I haven't been able to find something that is as low pile as ermine. Everything I've found is too thick and heavy. Would a white minky fabric be what I'm looking for? Many thanks, /Jen ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 01:55:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l166toU5010066 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:55:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l166svFD028437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 01:55:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l166sG0S033394 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:54:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l166s5nw021367; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:54:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l166s18F021299 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:54:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF4C3B76 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:53:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com (am.scan.smtp.agilent.com [130.29.153.221]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990D31C23C4 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:53:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.125]) by wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:53:54 -0700 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh01.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:53:54 -0700 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:53:53 -0700 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D96402406F7C@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <200702021204.l12C4GXM053194@net.indra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: US source for a single copy of Moda a Firenze Thread-Index: AcdGw2Z99tBGvo96SkCuwaIwL6P/2AC9I1yg From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2007 06:53:54.0900 (UTC) FILETIME=[91500140:01C749BB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l166s18F021299 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: US source for a single copy of Moda a Firenze X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f53e87c-5c97-4fa7-9bd0-f46a88c08ea8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C82642.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:55:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO This is a little late, but in case someone WANTS _Moda a Firenze_ right now, I was in Lacis today, and they have a copy of it for sale (and they do mail order) - http://www.lacis.com/ I didn't check the price, since I already own a copy... -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 11:39:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16GdMY2025469 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:39:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16GcP7p020389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:39:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16GbcAR098547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16GbOAG077160; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16GbIeK076924 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l16GbCT25732 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:37:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <7C0D5D51-9425-4E30-8389-11B04C9674D8@alfalfapress.com> From: Althea Turner Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:37:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] historic academic robes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b0972e5-8985-42c7-bc35-945ef1a368e4 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C8AF01.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:39:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO hello all, I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for patterns? Thank you! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 12:52:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16Hpsb8028693 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:51:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16Hp1uV020600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:51:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16Ho4oe010481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:50:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16HnpjD061031; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:49:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com (nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16HnkSU060824 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:49:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kayta@frys.com) X-ORBL: [69.107.92.168] Received: from [192.168.1.103] (adsl-69-107-92-168.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [69.107.92.168]) by nlpi001.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16HnPnI011099 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:49:26 -0600 Message-ID: <45C8C03C.7000906@frys.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 09:51:56 -0800 From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes References: <7C0D5D51-9425-4E30-8389-11B04C9674D8@alfalfapress.com> In-Reply-To: <7C0D5D51-9425-4E30-8389-11B04C9674D8@alfalfapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=27% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dbd9bb57-d943-4b85-91d3-33a8b78521b3 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 12:51:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my > graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, or > something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for patterns? Either look into the Janet Arnold 'Patterns of Fashion' covering the Renaissance, or ask on a Harry Potter costume forum like MadameMalkins@yahoogroups.com . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 13:39:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16IdDQw029867 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:39:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16IcLvw007750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:39:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16IbUdX018392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16IbQUe017195; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:37:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.26]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l16IbMCM017037 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:37:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90336 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2007 18:37:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vc63q/kIxjq/sG/0DQ3Do/EQkSgvBGovTNdwXEAzypfsEnBvdjru7GoEyATcI8yGLPMS8FTUUwM4enSchc9uFUcVoqaYqZXHD9I7m3EFxBOSTSloeqCylxXxlGPvNoC1DDAQVLyk90eK4IU5DTD+iQd7nOUOmvwxE4MzjF944UQ= ; Message-ID: <20070206183717.90334.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: vJfcs_kVM1l9lI7pZ_ZuClnqB9egSF6jqV.GQLiX Received: from [76.173.38.11] by web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 10:37:17 PST Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 10:37:17 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Polistampa - 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580' Reprint To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <45C301C5.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94b14133-313c-4359-a0e7-b5c71cd91de9 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:39:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Artbooks.com shows it as being available in April, I believe. http://artbooks.com/wc.dll?AB~searchquick~&cart=0 Maggie --- Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I think we are going to have a better way of getting > this book. David > Brown > books contacted me because I suggested THEY carry > it. That way they > can do > all the work of getting it, pricing it (looks like > about $99.50 but > don't > quote me yet) and making it available. They speak > English, they do > mail > order all the time; they take plastic. I've even > known them to make a > deal > where you pay in installments! > > If there was ever a book that those who love the > Italian Renaissance > either > in costuming or in history (or both). You NEED this > book! > > Stay tuned to this Group for further developments! > > Regina Romsey > **************************************** > Michael Shamansky will also be carrying it. He told > me he has > contracted for half the edition. Current price is > $99.99 but he admits > that could change depending on exchange rates and > shipping but he will > be trying to keep it as low as possible. Contact > information for him > is: > > Michael Shamansky, Bookseller Inc > P.O. Box 3904 > Kingston, New York 12402 > > Telephone: 1-800-527-6775 (845 331 8519) > Fax: 845-331-0852 > > Email: mshamans@artbooks.com > Url: www.artbooks.com > > Catherine > who has really regretted not having gotten this book > earlier and has a > copy on order. Come on April!! > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 15:03:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16K3p0c031845 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:03:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16K33cl013255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:03:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16K2KVT032735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:02:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16K2D79016558; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:02:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16K27IC016353 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:02:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2007020620020101100f0712e>; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:02:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: h-costume h-costume Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:02:28 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Pattern ease X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65420724-927b-4c69-a5bc-9c201fb3d4fb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C8DEF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:03:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, I am thinking about buying a Simplicity pattern for a modern dress style, but it has been years and years since I used one of theirs (most of my historic stuff I just fit to myself.) When I was younger, the patterns were made with so much "ease" that if I followed the cutting lines for the size suggested by my measurements, the finished product would be about six inches too big -- the "ease" must have been about 10 inches! Has anybody got a sense of how these patterns run now? The style I'm looking at is fairly fitted, so I want to start with a pattern that's reasonably close to the right size. thanks! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 15:16:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KGU55032191 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:16:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16KFbf4028383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:16:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16KEPF7034509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:14:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KEJfX029566; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:14:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KEEUZ029376 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:14:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1457.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.179]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7213A34245C for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:14:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45C8E190.5080508@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:14:08 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d15d1a7d-ec31-40ea-8b1d-d4a695e54a60 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C8E1E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:16:26 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, They still run large. I always make it one ore two sizes smaller. Greetings, Deredere Lauren Walker wrote: > Hi, > I am thinking about buying a Simplicity pattern for a modern dress > style, but it has been years and years since I used one of theirs > (most of my historic stuff I just fit to myself.) When I was younger, > the patterns were made with so much "ease" that if I followed the > cutting lines for the size suggested by my measurements, the finished > product would be about six inches too big -- the "ease" must have been > about 10 inches! Has anybody got a sense of how these patterns run > now? The style I'm looking at is fairly fitted, so I want to start > with a pattern that's reasonably close to the right size. > thanks! > Lauren > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 15:17:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KHqt0032217 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:17:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16KH0lc004947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:17:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16KGXLb034786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KGVjw032069; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:16:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KGRQx031901 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E44BC0B90 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:16:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45C8E244.3010307@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:17:08 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c90aa9d5-0a37-42f2-b349-dfb6c34fac52 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C8E23C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:17:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Lauren Walker wrote: > patterns were made with so much "ease" that if I followed the cutting > lines for the size suggested by my measurements, the finished product > would be about six inches too big -- the "ease" must have been about 10 > inches! Has anybody got a sense of how these patterns run now? Not much has changed. There's often a chart on the envelope with real measurements for bust and hips, which is useful in determining which size to cut. I still almost always have to take two inches off the sides for something that is "fitted". It's worse on some patterns than on others, I guess it depends on who drafts them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 15:25:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KPbYN032415 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:25:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16KOipi009467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:25:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16KOCiF035778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:24:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KO9kW040696; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:24:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KO1aY040490 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:24:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c8b.8cb0aa4 (41812) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:23:54 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:23:52 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31b2f5d2-1509-469b-a278-c456c00b8fed X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C8E40C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:25:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/6/2007 3:18:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dawn@reddawn.net writes: There's often a chart on the envelope with real measurements for bust and hips, which is useful in determining which size to cut. I still almost always have to take two inches off the sides for something that is "fitted". It's worse on some patterns than on others, I guess it depends on who drafts them. And, let's face it--some people don't allow enough ease in their clothes! As I remember, rib cage ease is 4-6 inches--that's to allow for you to breathe. And one's thighs do spread when one sits, so that hip ease that seems too much standing might be needed when seated. The different companies always did use a slightly different body style/type and ease, even given the same measurements for sizes. Best strategy is still, I think, to buy closest to your bust size, as it is easier to alter hips and waist. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 15:48:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KmRhF000569 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:48:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16KlYDN029489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:48:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16Kl4qS038831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:47:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KkjF5065506; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:46:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16KkeJh065264 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:46:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c95.90da326 (14502) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:46:10 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:46:08 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bae2dec5-46b3-4a2c-88eb-237ae80b0d2d X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:48:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/6/2007 3:04:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lauren.walker@comcast.net writes: Has anybody got a sense of how these patterns run now? ***************** Isn't the standard 3" of ease? Things fit a little tighter now than they did a decade ago. When I was taught to pattern, I learned that if you made things to measurements, they were too tight to even close sometimes. A really fitted garment, like a cuirass bustle bodice for instance, might have like 1" ease. I hate commercial patterns that omit the sewing lines. I usually go in a draw them on the pattern, which greatly helps with altering the paper pattern [duh!] but it also makes for finding out what the measurements REALLY are. But remember.... the paper pattern is just one stage, and whatever is made up will have to be fitted anyway, so don't get too bent out of shape [no pun intended] about the minute accuracy of the pattern pieces. Just make sure they are the right shape and on the right grain when cutting. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 16:01:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16L1A9r000889 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:01:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16L0IRp023019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:01:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16Kwslx040462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:58:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16Kwp8q078294; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:58:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [63.240.77.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16Kwa39077921 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:58:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2007020620583001100euv4ue>; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:58:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <91FECF0D-7998-4266-9CA5-506A6ABFFCF3@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:58:58 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7836b263-ec29-4c2e-ac57-a66b12a88f9d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C8EC62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:01:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks to all. Luckily this thing has a very full skirt, it's only fitted above the waist, so I only have two measurements to really worry about. What I found confusing in the past was that the measurements listed on the back would suggest that I needed the pattern to be about two sizes bigger than my normal dress size, and then I'd get the pattern cut and it would turn out to be about two sizes too big. One of the reasons I thought the historical costume list would be a place to inquire, I must confess, is that doing 18th C clothes had changed my whole notion of what ease should do. The 18th century stuff actually fits better and allows a better range of motion if it is quite closely fitted -- my modern notion of ease in the shoulders and arms actually makes a gown more constricting. It's like I get hung up in the extra fabric. Where if the armscye is very close to both the arm and the body, the sleeve somehow moves with me. And I'm not using all that much ease in the circumference for breathing, what with the stays and all -- most of my expansion seems to be upward instead. Ease is one of those things that goes with modern, flat, cut- and-construction methods, stretchy fabrics, soft underpinnings, and mass-production sizes. Until I made 18th century garments I would never have believed that sometimes a closer fit is actually better. The thing I want to make is actually a 50s retro style that seems to be back with a vengeance lately -- a halter-top dress with a wide waistband running from below the bust to the real waist, and then a full skirt. Sort of like Marilyn Monroe in the subway steam vent scene. So I figure I need a close fit on the halter top to remain decent. Which probably means NOT buying the size 18 pattern, even though the back measurements think I should. Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Feb 6, 2007, at 3:23 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/6/2007 3:18:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dawn@reddawn.net writes: > > There's often a chart on the envelope with real > measurements for bust and hips, which is useful in determining which > size to cut. I still almost always have to take two inches off the > sides > for something that is "fitted". It's worse on some patterns than on > others, I guess it depends on who drafts them. > > > > > And, let's face it--some people don't allow enough ease in their > clothes! > As I remember, rib cage ease is 4-6 inches--that's to allow for > you to > breathe. And one's thighs do spread when one sits, so that hip > ease that seems too > much standing might be needed when seated. > > The different companies always did use a slightly different body > style/type > and ease, even given the same measurements for sizes. > > Best strategy is still, I think, to buy closest to your bust size, > as it is > easier to alter hips and waist. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 16:08:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16L8YOL001044 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:08:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16L7k5m000358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:08:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16L7C3q041799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:07:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16L74eT087150; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l16L6tdO086888 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:06:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63072 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2007 21:06:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M9RMofRs6vc9oklefGerCa3gHxJtZWmLFjx1hddesC1i3HGa80sVQkg5MlnN2kml2FGa0a00GTd/PQ/LzlUYFMuabVw5O7NkfilSi41VqF+4lceEHFTwHrtF3dOVv+ngjo7Ibj59TQR3+w4Kx4jRhkNpHnyJvj90Jfm84rCaJTw= ; Message-ID: <20070206210650.63070.qmail@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Xd5gvxQVM1nIG.Eed.Dc3h9WFUOm4_Sg16fRjClj0L_vEdgKJPlLJAMjhpxNhtvNt6QhjAbt1Jx0inOMif94Yyg6SVcQYafpPo2rVZ_ZtaCYRXlX17xix4EIb9vus7oy.GjXUhhSM4a8puA- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:06:50 PST Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:06:50 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5fc8212-fc5e-4f54-b52c-d435b7fc2ccb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C8EE22.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:08:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I will gently disagree. I can easily breathe in a garment with only 1" ease, as my body will adjust as well as the fabric, not that I recommend it. I still prefer 2-4" for ease in "semi-fitted" modern garments, and find 6" too big. And I suggest to use the upper bust measurement for pattern fitting, because us larger gals will have a fitting issue if we try to buy the pattern based on our full bust size. Companies think that we are therefore much larger in the upper chest and shoulder area as well, when they barely change size. Altering for a larger bust is easier than altering down for the upper chest that ends up too large if we go with the full bust size. just my opinion. Kimiko AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: And, let's face it--some people don't allow enough ease in their clothes! As I remember, rib cage ease is 4-6 inches--that's to allow for you to breathe. Best strategy is still, I think, to buy closest to your bust size, as it is easier to alter hips and waist. --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 16:15:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LFHtK001253 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:15:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16LEOZR008963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:15:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16LCUsT042697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:12:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LCKN1093217; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:12:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net (alnrmhc16.comcast.net [204.127.225.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LC2dQ092774 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:12:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id <20070206211157b1600ktdv4e>; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:11:57 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070206210650.63070.qmail@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20070206210650.63070.qmail@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <695B3F98-729E-4136-953B-DA2BFFBEFB8D@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:12:23 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73df9952-4185-4dd4-a66b-685faeb2c0c4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C8EFB0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:15:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks, Kimiko. That was part of my worry -- that the shoulder straps would be falling off me, or far too widely-spaced, or way too long (that is, that they'd widen into the bodice way too low to be of use to me) and I'd have a devil of a time refitting everything. That's why I wanted to start with a pattern that was at least in the right ballpark. Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Feb 6, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > I will gently disagree. I can easily breathe in a garment with only > 1" ease, as my body will adjust as well as the fabric, not that I > recommend it. I still prefer 2-4" for ease in "semi-fitted" modern > garments, and find 6" too big. > > And I suggest to use the upper bust measurement for pattern > fitting, because us larger gals will have a fitting issue if we try > to buy the pattern based on our full bust size. Companies think > that we are therefore much larger in the upper chest and shoulder > area as well, when they barely change size. Altering for a larger > bust is easier than altering down for the upper chest that ends up > too large if we go with the full bust size. > > just my opinion. > > Kimiko > > > AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > And, let's face it--some people don't allow enough ease in > their clothes! > As I remember, rib cage ease is 4-6 inches--that's to allow for you to > breathe. > Best strategy is still, I think, to buy closest to your bust > size, as it is > easier to alter hips and waist. > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at > Yahoo! Games. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 16:31:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LVvOE001690 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:31:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16LV9Ej029779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:31:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16LUUiS044767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:30:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LTmNx010261; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:30:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LTPYR009934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:29:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1HEXqw-0004FU-Pu for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:27:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 15:27:50 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease In-Reply-To: <695B3F98-729E-4136-953B-DA2BFFBEFB8D@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <20070206210650.63070.qmail@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <695B3F98-729E-4136-953B-DA2BFFBEFB8D@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8351e21-2207-42e9-be05-3972a9adbd4c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C8F39D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:31:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Lauren Walker wrote: > Thanks, Kimiko. That was part of my worry -- that the shoulder straps would > be falling off me, or far too widely-spaced, or way too long (that is, that > they'd widen into the bodice way too low to be of use to me) and I'd have a > devil of a time refitting everything. That's why I wanted to start with a > pattern that was at least in the right ballpark. > Lauren > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > Also remember that patterns are drafted for an "average" cup size of B or C at the most. When I was younger and misguided, I bought patterns to fit my larger-than-average bust measurement, and the results were uniformly too wide across the shoulders. The March issue of Threads (which I've already been pointed to for the faux fur article) apparently has an article about altering patterns for larger bust sizes, so I have two (or three, depending on how you're counting) reasons to pick it up. ;-) /Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 16:37:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LbNbR001847 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:37:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16LaUnl004180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:37:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16LZAKo045554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:35:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LZ76o015883; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LZ1q1015682 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:35:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d36.1aef67a (41812) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:34:52 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:34:49 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6300165-c575-4b71-b321-33272251baa7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C8F4DE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:37:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/6/2007 4:00:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lauren.walker@comcast.net writes: What I found confusing in the past was that the measurements listed on the back would suggest that I needed the pattern to be about two sizes bigger than my normal dress size, and then I'd get the pattern cut and it would turn out to be about two sizes too big. Women's dress sizes in the US are NOT standardized, but commercial pattern sizes are. So there is really no relation between ready-to-wear and patterns. And that is one of the things I don't like about some small time historical pattern makers--you don't know WHAT standard they are using. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 16:38:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16Lcf9x001879 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:38:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16Lbr49018965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:38:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16Lb89j045901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:37:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16Lb4pI017892; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16Laqw7017583 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:36:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d5d.1ada8a5 (41812) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:36:40 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9ae0862-07ea-4ff3-94cc-e6240e0e369b X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C8F532.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:38:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/6/2007 4:07:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sstormwatch@yahoo.com writes: And I suggest to use the upper bust measurement for pattern fitting, because us larger gals will have a fitting issue if we try to buy the pattern based on our full bust size. Companies think that we are therefore much larger in the upper chest and shoulder area as well, when they barely change size. Altering for a larger bust is easier than altering down for the upper chest that ends up too large if we go with the full bust size. Well, yes, upper bust size is a better measure for full-figured women. However, I was giving a short and simple answer, based on years of dealing with rather novice sewers. But the upper bust measurement is not always shown on pattern charts. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 16:40:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LdvIK001912 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:39:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16LdA1g007424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:39:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16La8gY045697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:36:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LZPBa016239; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:36:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LZLYT016149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:35:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.253] (209-148-118-253.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.253]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l16LZIWv023771 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:35:19 -0800 Message-ID: <45C8F4A1.8090703@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:35:29 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease References: <91FECF0D-7998-4266-9CA5-506A6ABFFCF3@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <91FECF0D-7998-4266-9CA5-506A6ABFFCF3@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 954d487a-7205-469e-a85e-53ecf3c4808a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C8F57E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:39:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If this is the style I am thinking of: My experience with halter-top-like bodices is that if even a few inches of skin is exposed at bust level (by a low neckline, and/or bare back), the bust measurement becomes less meaningful than the length of the straps, or whatever you want to call the parts that lead up to your neck in front. Those being too long, is what is likely to create the possibility of your getting arrested for indecent exposure. I always have to take the shoulders up on a slant, rather than straight across. If much skin at all is exposed in the front and/or the back of the bodice, the concept of bust pattern ease itself becomes irrelevant, but: On the other hand, the size of the cloth's bust area determines how well your bosom is covered sideways, as it were. And that is related both to how well endowed you are, and to your psychological comfort level regarding exposure. I always make a muslin for things like this. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com > > The thing I want to make is actually a 50s retro style that seems to be > back with a vengeance lately -- a halter-top dress with a wide > waistband running from below the bust to the real waist, and then a > full skirt. Sort of like Marilyn Monroe in the subway steam vent scene. > So I figure I need a close fit on the halter top to remain decent. > Which probably means NOT buying the size 18 pattern, even though the > back measurements think I should. > Lauren > > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > On Feb 6, 2007, at 3:23 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >> >> In a message dated 2/6/2007 3:18:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> dawn@reddawn.net writes: >> >> There's often a chart on the envelope with real >> measurements for bust and hips, which is useful in determining which >> size to cut. I still almost always have to take two inches off the >> sides >> for something that is "fitted". It's worse on some patterns than on >> others, I guess it depends on who drafts them. >> >> >> >> >> And, let's face it--some people don't allow enough ease in their >> clothes! >> As I remember, rib cage ease is 4-6 inches--that's to allow for you to >> breathe. And one's thighs do spread when one sits, so that hip ease >> that seems too >> much standing might be needed when seated. >> >> The different companies always did use a slightly different body >> style/type >> and ease, even given the same measurements for sizes. >> >> Best strategy is still, I think, to buy closest to your bust size, as >> it is >> easier to alter hips and waist. >> >> Ann Wass >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 16:47:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16Ll7db002140 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:47:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16LkCqi016359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:47:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16LjYQB047531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:45:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16LjVdZ026690; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:45:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.146]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l16LjP4T026547 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 14:45:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 78369 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Feb 2007 21:45:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e2lMHoaCqp7wzHbXeDPpgT5ma0vqvBWk7EmQYhsnwONFD2tfuesBPObqm8vLIunlFqfP3gt1OCjtu7GA8JqUeeDHCfSjbqkXbxdKgBpH78D2quj7LcidP33ZEC9FiHcZnw8ojLFMDjxRa65J5ksWvBjrINJSniGdsikyJ9+50L8= ; Message-ID: <20070206214520.78367.qmail@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: YBB6wmUVM1nArlGiGtP1yppEJP9I4.RADBn88LbSGISAaVuPcBZBvcHI_n5v1aevqI2mR6K.yI2KQggaeoyodcH3KwZwETbwXZlmUnb3cFhVFqgp_.aCsGNVGMvcX0DglyViVvWjwBghMKg- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 13:45:20 PST Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:45:20 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b8428f2-4322-4a52-ad86-9fc3c55edc2d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C8F724.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 16:47:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Ann, My point is to use the upper bust measurement of the person when looking at the pattern for the bust size, if one is a larger person and hence probably larger than a B cup. While the upper bust measurement is not shown on the charts, using it as the bust measurement gets the upper body area closer to a person's actual upper chest size. Then the bust area can be adjusted larger as needed, and the waist and hips, too. And I suggest this from personal experience, not the vast experience you have. Kimiko AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: Well, yes, upper bust size is a better measure for full-figured women. However, I was giving a short and simple answer, based on years of dealing with rather novice sewers. But the upper bust measurement is not always shown on pattern charts. 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TV. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 18:10:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16NAb2J004386 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:10:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16N9jRD017655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:10:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16N93XK059057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:09:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16N8vKL012005; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:08:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l16N8qhB011852 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:08:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2007020618084607463 for ; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:08:46 -0500 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16N8bMc020590 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:08:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:08:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "anglaise"?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71bfe67b-40a7-467d-a711-dc182255b4bc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C90AB9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:10:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Anybody know what an "anglaise" is? The quote from Woyzeck (written by Beuchner in 1836) has him talking to a Captain '...if I were a proper gentleman with a watch and an "anglaise" '... Kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 18:50:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16NoQVh005497 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:50:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l16NnX3B023595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:50:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l16Nn2Ii065243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:49:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16Nmub2052167; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:48:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l16Nmp3b051998 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:48:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:52:57 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C74A49.ED27EB8E" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pattern ease Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC567@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC567@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Pattern ease Thread-Index: AcdKMmiEGMVVPxSqT7+lvvv4mA6m6wAFyQQw References: <91FECF0D-7998-4266-9CA5-506A6ABFFCF3@comcast.net> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2007 23:52:57.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED0DC880:01C74A49] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a312c14-f138-4723-b19c-dda05e37bc24 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C9140D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:50:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74A49.ED27EB8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comparing to normal dress size may actually be closer to "right" = currently, since garment makers seem ot be making their clothing bigger = and bigger for a given size. Clothing that would have been a 10 when I = was younger is now a 6 or even a 4. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Lauren Walker Sent: Tue 2/6/2007 3:58 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease Thanks to all. Luckily this thing has a very full skirt, it's only=20 fitted above the waist, so I only have two measurements to really=20 worry about. What I found confusing in the past was that the=20 measurements listed on the back would suggest that I needed the=20 pattern to be about two sizes bigger than my normal dress size, and=20 then I'd get the pattern cut and it would turn out to be about two=20 sizes too big. One of the reasons I thought the historical costume list would be a=20 place to inquire, I must confess, is that doing 18th C clothes had=20 changed my whole notion of what ease should do. The 18th century=20 stuff actually fits better and allows a better range of motion if it=20 is quite closely fitted -- my modern notion of ease in the shoulders=20 and arms actually makes a gown more constricting. It's like I get=20 hung up in the extra fabric. Where if the armscye is very close to=20 both the arm and the body, the sleeve somehow moves with me. And I'm=20 not using all that much ease in the circumference for breathing, what=20 with the stays and all -- most of my expansion seems to be upward=20 instead. Ease is one of those things that goes with modern, flat, cut- and-construction methods, stretchy fabrics, soft underpinnings, and=20 mass-production sizes. Until I made 18th century garments I would=20 never have believed that sometimes a closer fit is actually better. The thing I want to make is actually a 50s retro style that seems to=20 be back with a vengeance lately -- a halter-top dress with a wide=20 waistband running from below the bust to the real waist, and then a=20 full skirt. Sort of like Marilyn Monroe in the subway steam vent=20 scene. So I figure I need a close fit on the halter top to remain=20 decent. Which probably means NOT buying the size 18 pattern, even=20 though the back measurements think I should. Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Feb 6, 2007, at 3:23 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/6/2007 3:18:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dawn@reddawn.net writes: > > There's often a chart on the envelope with real > measurements for bust and hips, which is useful in determining which > size to cut. I still almost always have to take two inches off the=20 > sides > for something that is "fitted". It's worse on some patterns than on > others, I guess it depends on who drafts them. > > > > > And, let's face it--some people don't allow enough ease in their =20 > clothes! > As I remember, rib cage ease is 4-6 inches--that's to allow for =20 > you to > breathe. And one's thighs do spread when one sits, so that hip=20 > ease that seems too > much standing might be needed when seated. > > The different companies always did use a slightly different body=20 > style/type > and ease, even given the same measurements for sizes. > > Best strategy is still, I think, to buy closest to your bust size,=20 > as it is > easier to alter hips and waist. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74A49.ED27EB8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74A49.ED27EB8E-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 19:23:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l170NWkD006452 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:23:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l170MdLk002271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:23:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l170M0u6069776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:22:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l170LucV081825; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l170LpWO081684 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:21:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c86.a0e3508 (58808) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:21:44 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:21:42 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62173b04-6209-422d-953c-0fb3af6cdea8 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C91BCF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:23:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well, I don't have a lot of experience with larger than usual busts--certainly not my personal problem, and as most of my work was with college students, not theirs, either! Ahhhh, I had never thought about using the upper bust measurement as the stated bust measurement--if I ever do run across anyone so endowed, I'll keep that in mind--thanks for the hint. One can, of course, measure the upper bust of the pattern one's self, but that means you have to buy the pattern first, so is not much help in determining the right size to begin with. How convenient that the current "Threads" addresses the issue of cup size alteration. That does sound like a good solution for the dress that started this discussion, the '50s style halter/strap style. And those, of course, should have less ease, but one would hope the pattern company put less ease to begin with--hard to tell what is going on with them these days, though. I confess I haven't used a new woman-sized pattern in a while. All my non-historic sewing has been for little ones lately--no bust fitting problems there! And I agree with the person who expressed frustration that the stitching lines aren't marked on patterns anymore. What a pain to have to measure 5/8" all the way around. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 19:49:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l170n0Yn007081 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:49:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l170mAbE020286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:48:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l170lmvA072978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:47:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l170lkSS002920; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l170lhdT002809 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:47:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070207004737m11009do1ke>; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:47:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 17:47:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed666414-bb89-4225-926a-15b9fec43623 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C921CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:48:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I have found patterns I use nowadays to be pretty accurate, but maybe it's just that I am more careful than I used to be. I always check what the finished measurements on the pattern say and go by those. Sylrog On Feb 6, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Lauren Walker wrote: > Hi, > I am thinking about buying a Simplicity pattern for a modern dress > style, but it has been years and years since I used one of theirs > (most of my historic stuff I just fit to myself.) When I was younger, > the patterns were made with so much "ease" that if I followed the > cutting lines for the size suggested by my measurements, the finished > product would be about six inches too big -- the "ease" must have been > about 10 inches! Has anybody got a sense of how these patterns run > now? The style I'm looking at is fairly fitted, so I want to start > with a pattern that's reasonably close to the right size. > thanks! > Lauren > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 20:07:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1717hef007488 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:07:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1716oQx021627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:07:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1716QIY075969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:06:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1716P1e017323; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:06:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1716Lsl017225 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:06:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070207010615m1500q59dse>; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:06:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:06:42 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b336e35-df32-49bd-a9fa-ac66ea9ed132 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C9262A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:07:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Does anyone know of a clever tool for measuring the 5/8 all round the outside? I usually draw it on the cloth with a pencil, but the measurements get a bit, um, impressionistic on some of the curves. Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:21 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > And I agree with the person who expressed frustration that the > stitching > lines aren't marked on patterns anymore. What a pain to have to > measure 5/8" > all the way around. > > Ann Wass > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 20:22:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l171M76r007746 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:22:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l171LE23006852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:22:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l171KuEg079282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:20:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l171KsdA028028; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:20:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l171Kowq027987 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:20:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.196.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.196]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HEbUP-0004fU-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:20:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <955AF3D0-5B0A-4A2F-9B8B-39CEBDF0FF15@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:21:13 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f85891f-33f5-49a7-b643-15fdc888c952 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:22:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO For machine sewing I just use the guide on the platen. For hand sewing, yes, I measure as often as needed (very often on curves, twice or three times on the straight) and connect the dots with pencil. I'll bet you could take one of those little compasses we used to get in our pencil boxes, set the gap between the pencil point and the pointed leg to 5/8, and use the point as a guide along the edge of the piece, marking 5/8 inch with the pencil end as you go. If it's a better-grade compass like the ones my father the engineer used to have, there's a nut at the end you can tighten to keep the measurement constant. I've never tried this, just thought of it this minute--but boyoboy it sounds easy, doesn't it? (Probably a lot of people on this list have thought of it long ago...?) --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Lauren Walker wrote: > Does anyone know of a clever tool for measuring the 5/8 all round > the outside? I usually draw it on the cloth with a pencil, but the > measurements get a bit, um, impressionistic on some of the curves. > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:21 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >> >> And I agree with the person who expressed frustration that the >> stitching >> lines aren't marked on patterns anymore. What a pain to have to >> measure 5/8" >> all the way around. >> >> Ann Wass >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 21:04:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1724n4Z008531 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:04:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1723vWT021593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:04:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1723CJo085214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17239nD058018; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:03:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17235M9057956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:03:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HEc9M-0004vC-O3; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:03:08 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:03:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20070206210308.lxbhfedgijesow4o@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:03:08 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fac814f6-9d4a-4ab9-9f9b-388ca6ed0104 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:04:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > In a message dated 2/6/2007 4:00:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lauren.walker@comcast.net writes: > > What I found confusing in the past was that the > measurements listed on the back would suggest that I needed the > pattern to be about two sizes bigger than my normal dress size, and > then I'd get the pattern cut and it would turn out to be about two > sizes too big. > Yeah. I'd been sewing for several years when I took Home Ec. My teacher measured me and measured the pattern and said that I wore a 14. I told her that, no, I wore a 10. But she was the teacher, and (of course) she prevailed. I made the dress. We could both fit in it ..... *sigh* jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 21:05:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1725OJK008550 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:05:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1724XBG014150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:05:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17248TE085292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172480e058680; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1724565058639 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18604 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:53:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:53:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0e54413-5b8c-46f2-80e2-803b3aa55fa3 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C933B1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:05:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Lauren Walker wrote: > Does anyone know of a clever tool for measuring the 5/8 all round the > outside? I usually draw it on the cloth with a pencil, but the > measurements get a bit, um, impressionistic on some of the curves. Most of my tape measures are 5/8 inches wide. I lay one edge of the tape measure against the pattern line and run the pencil along the other edge. The tape measure can go around a curve for a little of the way, and I keep shifting it along the edge as I draw. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 21:15:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172ExVr008716 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:14:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l172E7DL023460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:14:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l172DegT086223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:13:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172Dbwu065312; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:13:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172DX14065264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.160] (209-148-118-160.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.160]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l172DWRK008303 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:13:33 -0800 Message-ID: <45C935D7.70307@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:13:43 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfd52026-c462-418e-aac4-f99affd010dd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C935EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:14:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I have a double tracing wheel that I run along the edge of the pattern, and it makes an indent 5/8" away. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Robin Netherton wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Lauren Walker wrote: > > >>Does anyone know of a clever tool for measuring the 5/8 all round the >>outside? I usually draw it on the cloth with a pencil, but the >>measurements get a bit, um, impressionistic on some of the curves. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 21:16:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172GSm6008745 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:16:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l172FfSX025249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:16:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l172FGgg086367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172FGiT066448; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172FCtQ066331 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:15:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JD200KARM92T9C0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:15:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:14:53 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pattern ease In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdf2cb9c-dde5-43b3-919c-23dd226453e6 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:16:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO You can use a french curve or one of those bendable rulers also. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:54 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Lauren Walker wrote: > Does anyone know of a clever tool for measuring the 5/8 all round the > outside? I usually draw it on the cloth with a pencil, but the > measurements get a bit, um, impressionistic on some of the curves. Most of my tape measures are 5/8 inches wide. I lay one edge of the tape measure against the pattern line and run the pencil along the other edge. The tape measure can go around a curve for a little of the way, and I keep shifting it along the edge as I draw. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 21:16:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172Gxk7008759 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:16:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l172G71U025167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:16:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l172Fh98086393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172FgfX066761; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:15:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172FCtS066331 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:15:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JD200KARM92T9C0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:15:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:14:54 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pattern ease In-reply-to: <20070206210308.lxbhfedgijesow4o@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4f274cb-26ab-4d80-9a7d-1c791ea9df0e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C93667.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:16:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The pattern companies changed their specs in the middle 60s. FWIW--Sizes as we know them are not "accurate" since there is no real standard. Most companies have their dress form made to their own specs-- Target. Kmart and JCPenneys have them. Others probably do too. It gets expensive for the manufacturer who has to foot the bill for multiple sizes and for multiple stors. Some of the forms are $2000. No wonder people make garments offshore now... Monica swimwear designer-- 25years Costume designer.... even longer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:03 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease > > In a message dated 2/6/2007 4:00:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > lauren.walker@comcast.net writes: > > What I found confusing in the past was that the > measurements listed on the back would suggest that I needed the > pattern to be about two sizes bigger than my normal dress size, and > then I'd get the pattern cut and it would turn out to be about two > sizes too big. > Yeah. I'd been sewing for several years when I took Home Ec. My teacher measured me and measured the pattern and said that I wore a 14. I told her that, no, I wore a 10. But she was the teacher, and (of course) she prevailed. I made the dress. We could both fit in it ..... *sigh* jerusha ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 21:19:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172JvYU008833 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:19:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l172J45R019737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:19:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l172IX4K086747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172IWDh068837; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:18:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172ISYF068792 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:18:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m213.in-tch.com [216.166.191.213]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l17256J04310 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:05:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002801c74a5f$7dd35960$d5bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] "anglaise"?? Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:27:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12b27a3a-5aca-488c-be1b-a06244a81daf X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C93718.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:19:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Something in an English style, or something (an accessory?) associated especially strongly with the English? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] "anglaise"?? > > Anybody know what an "anglaise" is? The quote from Woyzeck (written by > Beuchner in 1836) has him talking to a Captain '...if I were a proper > gentleman with a watch and an "anglaise" '... > > Kate > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 21:54:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172sI0E009727 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:54:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l172rQbH026533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:54:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l172qoxR090646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172qkIp093941; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:52:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l172qghj093812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:52:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (71-214-254-244.desm.qwest.net [71.214.254.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l172qWii018367 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:52:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <79D18581-5CCF-4604-ACB5-508149B01BFE@cybermesa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@indra.com From: Suzanne Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:52:30 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2529/Tue Feb 6 12:25:02 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DBBC [re: Moda a Firenze] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a6f1ad8-20a9-4803-82fb-ce5164681c7e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C93F26.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:54:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Regina said: I like David Brown Book Company because their marketing director knows me by name from all the times I have written him to point out he is an Agent of Satan (His duties being largely ceremonial) and a pusher. I've also had wonderful dealings and gotten great books at prices that I could never have afforded otherwise. Suzanne responds: LOL. If they can get the book in time to bring some copies to Kalamazoo, I'll happily join you in the name-calling, no matter the price. (Yeah, I know it's not "medieval" but what the heck -- last year a couple of the booksellers were pushing the Tudor Tailor book.) I love getting my weekly e-mails from David Brown Book Company. I even persuaded my library to buy the Luttrell Psalter!! I have been waiting more or less patiently while it sits in "In Process" limbo... and then yesterday when I went to put a hold on it so that I can be the first one to drag it home, I discovered that a blankity-blank history professor emeritus had beaten me to it. Grrrr. If it weren't for library privacy laws, I would march over to his office and demand to know why he's always after MY books... but I'm not allowed to say that I know patron information like that. So I'll have to be quiet and wait 'til the semester ends and he's forced to return everything -- or until I just can't take it any more and Recall the book! (Just call me Conan the Librarian.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 22:03:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1733cjJ009966 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:03:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1732j38004763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:03:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1732RjC091852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:02:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1732Q3E000879; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:02:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1732MtH000827 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:02:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AF8FF490520; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 02:55:11 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] DBBC [re: Moda a Firenze] Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:02:11 -0800 Message-ID: <009701c74a64$5cd13cf0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <79D18581-5CCF-4604-ACB5-508149B01BFE@cybermesa.com> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:03:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If you put a hold on it, he can't renew it, right? So, he'll have to return it or face HUGE late fees. If your library doesn't charge late fees, drop him a note saying they do now, it's a new policy, to try and encourage him to return it. :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 6:52 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] DBBC [re: Moda a Firenze] Regina said: I like David Brown Book Company because their marketing director knows me by name from all the times I have written him to point out he is an Agent of Satan (His duties being largely ceremonial) and a pusher. I've also had wonderful dealings and gotten great books at prices that I could never have afforded otherwise. Suzanne responds: LOL. If they can get the book in time to bring some copies to Kalamazoo, I'll happily join you in the name-calling, no matter the price. (Yeah, I know it's not "medieval" but what the heck -- last year a couple of the booksellers were pushing the Tudor Tailor book.) I love getting my weekly e-mails from David Brown Book Company. I even persuaded my library to buy the Luttrell Psalter!! I have been waiting more or less patiently while it sits in "In Process" limbo... and then yesterday when I went to put a hold on it so that I can be the first one to drag it home, I discovered that a blankity-blank history professor emeritus had beaten me to it. Grrrr. If it weren't for library privacy laws, I would march over to his office and demand to know why he's always after MY books... but I'm not allowed to say that I know patron information like that. So I'll have to be quiet and wait 'til the semester ends and he's forced to return everything -- or until I just can't take it any more and Recall the book! (Just call me Conan the Librarian.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 22:13:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l173DF1A010223 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:13:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l173CMK6008933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:13:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l173Besl092937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:11:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l173BZDl007140; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.237]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l173BXnD007062 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so87793wxc for ; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:11:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hj+1sf54kGbuPhCNh2gh7Tk0TqVctheEqE1wlGK5X9shLpaGq2M+yjXMGd5MP/ZVHeciM9qiAQH8/1YgyavC4aLVBUywIrTPjL74g1GV2rhT59Ft0EEsgfnpdIL/AWwSk2IYedUAqhPO77f8Wu3NIpzhpj7NOKEvpaKaSUU499E= Received: by 10.100.163.12 with SMTP id l12mr6449036ane.1170817887310; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.15 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:11:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:11:27 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] DBBC [re: Moda a Firenze] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9746a1d9-50f5-4cb0-9f86-14c13821d130 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C94396.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:13:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO >Suzanne responds: >... So I'll >have to be quiet and wait 'til the semester ends and he's forced to >return everything -- or until I just can't take it any more and >Recall the book! (Just call me Conan the Librarian.) Argh! obscure humor! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 22:27:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l173RNUN010633 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:27:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l173QU0X027024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:27:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l173Q9f4095187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l173Q7iB017375; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:26:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l173Q3iU017277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:26:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (71-214-254-244.desm.qwest.net [71.214.254.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l173PufS018980 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 20:25:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: h-costume@indra.com Message-Id: <568455A5-5B67-4595-A097-FD33C9355AC6@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:25:53 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2529/Tue Feb 6 12:25:02 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] [OT] borrowers' privileges [was DBBC etc.] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5333502-4929-4408-8eb5-d01c808d6d4f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C946E6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:27:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Yeah, but professors get to keep books 'til the end of the academic year. I'll have to wait 'til mid-May. The "Recall" feature is for items that someone reallyreallyreally needs for research; I don't apply it lightly and I already hit this professor once last semester for something I WANTED. (Not that he knows who requested it, because the library privacy laws work both ways.) Suzanne From: "Sharon Collier" Date: February 6, 2007 9:02:11 PM CST To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] DBBC [re: Moda a Firenze] Reply-To: Historical Costume If you put a hold on it, he can't renew it, right? So, he'll have to return it or face HUGE late fees. If your library doesn't charge late fees, drop him a note saying they do now, it's a new policy, to try and encourage him to return it. :-) Suzanne said: I love getting my weekly e-mails from David Brown Book Company. I even persuaded my library to buy the Luttrell Psalter!! I have been waiting more or less patiently while it sits in "In Process" limbo... and then yesterday when I went to put a hold on it so that I can be the first one to drag it home, I discovered that a blankity-blank history professor emeritus had beaten me to it. Grrrr. If it weren't for library privacy laws, I would march over to his office and demand to know why he's always after MY books... but I'm not allowed to say that I know patron information like that. So I'll have to be quiet and wait 'til the semester ends and he's forced to return everything -- or until I just can't take it any more and Recall the book! (Just call me Conan the Librarian.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 23:09:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1749ahw011817 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:09:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1748nvv032268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:09:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1748CO7099346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:08:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17488x5045726; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:08:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17482kJ045607 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:08:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCCDC0C75 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:07:52 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45C95099.3000901@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:07:53 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [OT] borrowers' privileges [was DBBC etc.] References: <568455A5-5B67-4595-A097-FD33C9355AC6@cybermesa.com> In-Reply-To: <568455A5-5B67-4595-A097-FD33C9355AC6@cybermesa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f197195f-e834-470d-aca0-d4baa0be943a X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:09:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Suzanne wrote: > Yeah, but professors get to keep books 'til the end of the academic > year. I'll have to wait 'til mid-May. After 8 years of college and 3 universities I never met a professor who returned anything at the end of the semester. I had to go chasing down more than one book over the years from people who had them more or less on permanent loan. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 23:25:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l174PYdq012285 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:25:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l174Of5H017108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:25:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l174O9sa001094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:24:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l174O5Va057078; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:24:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l174O0Wj057021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:24:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HEeLk-00066m-M5; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:24:05 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:24:04 -0500 Message-ID: <20070206232404.sushgygjplc8ow0c@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:24:04 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:25:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > Suzanne said: > > I love getting my weekly e-mails from David Brown Book Company. I > even persuaded my library to buy the Luttrell Psalter!! I have been > waiting more or less patiently while it sits in "In Process" limbo... > and then yesterday when I went to put a hold on it so that I can be > the first one to drag it home, I discovered that a blankity-blank > history professor emeritus had beaten me to it. Grrrr. If it > weren't for library privacy laws, I would march over to his office > and demand to know why he's always after MY books... but I'm not > allowed to say that I know patron information like that. So I'll > have to be quiet and wait 'til the semester ends and he's forced to > return everything -- or until I just can't take it any more and > Recall the book! (Just call me Conan the Librarian.) *snicker* I always give them a month or two with the book and *then* request it. Here, it isn't The Academic Year anymore, the loan period is One Calendar Year. Tomorrow, I'm going to put in a request for Thor Ewing's Viking Clothing book. Anybody got any comments on it? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 23:33:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l174XmRB012546 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:33:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l174X1qr030266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:33:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l174Wgx4001820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l174WfPo062666; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:32:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l174Wb4i062614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l174dIRh025492 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:39:19 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [OT] borrowers' privileges [was DBBC etc.] Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:41:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <568455A5-5B67-4595-A097-FD33C9355AC6@cybermesa.com> <20070206232404.sushgygjplc8ow0c@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: <20070206232404.sushgygjplc8ow0c@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200702062341.04808.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l174Wb4i062614 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7e04c31-927e-4d11-9561-a075d9ea7d31 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C9567D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:33:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tuesday 06 February 2007 11:24 pm, Susan B. Farmer wrote: I always give them a month or two with the book and *then* request it.    Tomorrow, I'm going to put in a request for Thor   Ewing's Viking Clothing book.  Anybody got any comments on it? Yes, I do. It's an interesting read. Wisely, Mr. Ewing doesn't purport to have the gospel truth about what the Vikings wore: instead, he reports the finds and current theories that he is aware of. He also is very forthcoming with his clothing theories based on that evidence. I don't agree with everything he says, but a lot of it is plausible and all of it is thought-provoking. The only thing I regret about the book is that it doesn't have more illustrations in it. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 6 23:42:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l174gpwM012755 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:42:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l174fve4024717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 23:42:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l174ePkK002650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l174eOuL067632; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:40:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l174eJdV067572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:40:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HEebY-0007l1-Di; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 22:40:24 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:40:24 -0500 Message-ID: <20070206234024.jehk82c7fugwg8w0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:40:24 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [OT] borrowers' privileges [was DBBC etc.] References: <568455A5-5B67-4595-A097-FD33C9355AC6@cybermesa.com> <20070206232404.sushgygjplc8ow0c@www.goldsword.com> <200702062341.04808.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200702062341.04808.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l174eJdV067572 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f4b26a9-eb8d-4c00-a5d8-a8f5bab3bfe2 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C95895.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Feb 2007 23:42:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Catherine Olanich Raymond : > On Tuesday 06 February 2007 11:24 pm, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > I always give them a month or two with the book and *then* request > it. Tomorrow, I'm going to put in a request for Thor Ewing's > Viking Clothing book. Anybody got any comments on it? > > Yes, I do. It's an interesting read. Wisely, Mr. Ewing doesn't purport to > have the gospel truth about what the Vikings wore: instead, he reports the > finds and current theories that he is aware of. He also is very forthcoming > with his clothing theories based on that evidence. I don't agree with > everything he says, but a lot of it is plausible and all of it is > thought-provoking. The only thing I regret about the book is that it doesn't > have more illustrations in it. I had flipped through it once (and I still kick myself for not checking it out then!), and that was the one thing that I noticed. thanks! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 00:04:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1754WYD013307 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:04:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1753dfq023809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:04:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1753Bjs004985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:03:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17537it082804; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:03:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17533iE082715 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:03:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cd1.902f007 (41810) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:02:50 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:02:48 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d1f7f62-5f44-4d8f-8441-e548d281f592 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C95DAB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:04:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/6/2007 9:14:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fran@lavoltapress.com writes: I have a double tracing wheel that I run along the edge of the pattern, and it makes an indent 5/8" away. ************* I do too...and you can adjust it to other measurements as well [like 1/2" or 3/8ths] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 00:39:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l175dBOB014101 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:39:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l175cNFx015142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:39:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1748Tnk099397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1748SEW045992; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1748OKa045940 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18991 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:58:00 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:58:00 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] DBBC [re: Moda a Firenze] In-Reply-To: <79D18581-5CCF-4604-ACB5-508149B01BFE@cybermesa.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bede0e8-0888-452a-84ab-8db1618a3f4e X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C965CF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:39:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Suzanne wrote: > I like David Brown Book Company because their marketing director knows > me by name from all the times I have written him to point out he is an > Agent of Satan (His duties being largely ceremonial) and a pusher. > I've also had wonderful dealings and gotten great books at prices that > I could never have afforded otherwise. > > Suzanne responds: > LOL. If they can get the book in time to bring some copies to > Kalamazoo, I'll happily join you in the name-calling, no matter the > price. That particular agent would be Ian, who is a real sweetheart in person too. He is at K'zoo every year. He will smile winningly as you call him names ... and plunk down your cash. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 01:00:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1760VLV014404 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:00:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l175xSfA004072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:00:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l175wtIj010606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:58:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l175wowi017912; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:58:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l175wjLm017843 for ; Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:58:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8E2C1700374; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 05:51:30 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] [OT] borrowers' privileges [was DBBC etc.] Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:58:31 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c74a7c$fec964c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <568455A5-5B67-4595-A097-FD33C9355AC6@cybermesa.com> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4e32f6a-a82f-4d99-aaeb-a7d3042ece22 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:00:27 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Maybe contact him and borrow it for a week or so. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:26 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] [OT] borrowers' privileges [was DBBC etc.] Yeah, but professors get to keep books 'til the end of the academic year. I'll have to wait 'til mid-May. The "Recall" feature is for items that someone reallyreallyreally needs for research; I don't apply it lightly and I already hit this professor once last semester for something I WANTED. (Not that he knows who requested it, because the library privacy laws work both ways.) Suzanne From: "Sharon Collier" Date: February 6, 2007 9:02:11 PM CST To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] DBBC [re: Moda a Firenze] Reply-To: Historical Costume If you put a hold on it, he can't renew it, right? So, he'll have to return it or face HUGE late fees. If your library doesn't charge late fees, drop him a note saying they do now, it's a new policy, to try and encourage him to return it. :-) Suzanne said: I love getting my weekly e-mails from David Brown Book Company. I even persuaded my library to buy the Luttrell Psalter!! I have been waiting more or less patiently while it sits in "In Process" limbo... and then yesterday when I went to put a hold on it so that I can be the first one to drag it home, I discovered that a blankity-blank history professor emeritus had beaten me to it. Grrrr. If it weren't for library privacy laws, I would march over to his office and demand to know why he's always after MY books... but I'm not allowed to say that I know patron information like that. So I'll have to be quiet and wait 'til the semester ends and he's forced to return everything -- or until I just can't take it any more and Recall the book! (Just call me Conan the Librarian.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 03:19:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l178JPFX007978 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:19:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l178Ib4U000745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 03:19:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l178Hpib024919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:17:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l178Hkg6010457; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:17:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l178HhQm010337 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:17:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41067 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Feb 2007 08:17:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VBoBmB4vyEJb3VwCMP2VfsWbu1HHZuBGYJpF9foZZdF4xNuYSQP94Sw+wAwkEtVxPs6wlKEoNQvi73rKs8DX1gqHKzWZM8kjh+XgYqZwwzRIlSXzkPRST3NvQnWNLBpFvrVRbIIzKsb8pSyIN8QqZqyGgqRs5XFiuRik8m0ITAo=; X-YMail-OSG: 1jZYF30VM1lzAgC.FTFTOcHVypyNDy2aQ8NjhuempFK6orglNxvCS6BuFlikNcrpSI.weJwMcLtsO6ao_KnnqTzzK4EuGkSseeGVeebd0UoM8CQ22Q7DqR4sYui_Hu08Jq7UjpGbkkQzYvrQVM4eQYrUBbStj94IYVx1lIGz3iaCpaza_Oa0qaayiM2g Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:17:37 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 00:17:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <514944.39479.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58b03752-afe1-419c-b1c4-aa9616e90f57 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C98B5D.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 03:19:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I don't know wether you have this nice little tool in the us, here it is called a sømometer, It is a piece of aluminum with a number of measures on them. Ours is in the metric, so you can measure 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and up to 8 cm with this nice littel tool. Here is a link to a pic http://www.stofstedet.dk/stofshoppen/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=&products_id=498 Tania Lauren Walker wrote: Does anyone know of a clever tool for measuring the 5/8 all round the outside? I usually draw it on the cloth with a pencil, but the measurements get a bit, um, impressionistic on some of the curves. Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:21 PM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > And I agree with the person who expressed frustration that the > stitching > lines aren't marked on patterns anymore. What a pain to have to > measure 5/8" > all the way around. > > Ann Wass > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 07:55:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17CtG2P019793 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:55:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17CsNbO002772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:55:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17CrbOf052163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 05:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17CrUim095764; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 05:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.232]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17CrQ8q095664 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 05:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.94]) by bay0-omc3-s32.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 04:53:21 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 04:53:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.140.123 by by135fd.bay135.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:53:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070206210308.lxbhfedgijesow4o@www.goldsword.com> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 08:53:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2007 12:53:21.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[F26B73A0:01C74AB6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d81293e2-a1c6-4c08-85d8-edea47f9261b X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45C9CBFF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:55:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What is it with Home Ec teachers??? I suffered a similar fate. I had to take Home Ec as I was female, shop was strictly for the boys. I had been cooking and sewing for years before hand. I managed to fail all three years, the teacher thought I was taking my sewing projects home for my mother to do...she thought there was no way a 12 year old could sew, so well. I managed to get past this setback though...thank God the credits didn't have any effect on me graduating, and went on to take Costume Studies in University and have made a career for myself! I often wish there could be a reunion though, so I could go back and tell her what I had accomplished! Kelly! An insolent reply from a polite person is a bad sign. Hippocrates (c.460-c.370 bc), Greek physician > >Yeah. I'd been sewing for several years when I took Home Ec. My teacher >measured me and measured the pattern and said that I wore a 14. I told >her that, no, I wore a 10. But she was the teacher, and (of course) she >prevailed. I made the dress. We could both fit in it ..... > >*sigh* > >jerusha >----- >Susan Farmer >sfarmer@goldsword.com >University of Tennessee >Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology >http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:37:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Kelly Grant : > > What is it with Home Ec teachers??? I suffered a similar fate. I had > to take Home Ec as I was female, shop was strictly for the boys. I had > been cooking and sewing for years before hand. LOL. Good to know I wasn't alone! >rolls eyes!< > >> >> Yeah. I'd been sewing for several years when I took Home Ec. My >> teacher measured me and measured the pattern and said that I wore a >> 14. I told her that, no, I wore a 10. But she was the teacher, >> and (of course) she prevailed. I made the dress. We could both >> fit in it ..... >> susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 09:46:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17EkOjb023204 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:46:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17EjaVO027631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:46:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17Ej7jo067797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:45:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17Ej66r094965; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:45:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17Ej2PD094804 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 07:45:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d48.1badf3d (48624) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:44:47 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:44:45 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Home Ec--Was pattern ease X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3d73017-77cd-4704-a81f-961b82d04f6e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C9E610.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:46:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/7/2007 7:55:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: What is it with Home Ec teachers Actually, seventh grade home ec. got me started sewing for myself--I had just made doll clothes before that. But I couldn't carry on with home ec. in high school because I was college prep track and taking French instead. We had to have a "practical art" to graduation, but I chose typing, and am I glad I did! I majored in home ec. in college, though, and got an excellent grounding in clothing construction. Also went on to get my master's and Ph.D. in "home ec." based programs. In one of the classes I TA'ed for, instead of relying on measurements for pattern sizing, we fitted everyone in the pre-made bodice shells from one of the pattern companies. That was an interesting experience--it was the mid 1970s so most of the students had much lower bust points than the fitting shells did, no doubt a consequence of wearing either less constructed bras or no bras at all. But that was still probably better than relying on measurements alone. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 10:02:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17F2Cgp023755 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:02:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17F1O38012919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:02:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17F0vpn070140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:00:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17F0swc012198; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17F0lEA012055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:00:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1HEoHK-0000Lz-AR for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:00:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:00:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20070206232404.sushgygjplc8ow0c@www.goldsword.com> Message-ID: References: <568455A5-5B67-4595-A097-FD33C9355AC6@cybermesa.com> <20070206232404.sushgygjplc8ow0c@www.goldsword.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thor Ewing's book (was [OT] borrowers' privileges) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85aa7b85-2a85-4f5e-bceb-d8b3967d3725 X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:02:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > *snicker* > > I always give them a month or two with the book and *then* request it. Here, > it isn't The Academic Year anymore, the loan period is One Calendar Year. > Tomorrow, I'm going to put in a request for Thor Ewing's Viking Clothing > book. Anybody got any comments on it? > > susan It's a good summary of the extant research. Not enough illustrations, but other than that, useful to have around and interesting as well. /Jen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 10:16:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17FGRRC024261 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:16:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17FFYGc028037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:16:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17FEdFb072745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17FEaIg027039; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:14:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17FEXHC026980 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m48.in-tch.com [216.166.191.48]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l17F1CJ16871 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:01:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003901c74acb$e92856e0$30bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7C0D5D51-9425-4E30-8389-11B04C9674D8@alfalfapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:23:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 980836ff-49c2-408f-927e-ab0a29a263d8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45C9ED16.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:16:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Alcega? ;o) Seriously, though, if you're thinking "regular commercial pattern," I really haven't seen anything out there that might qualify as a pattern for academic robes. Doesn't mean it's not out there, just that I, myself, haven't seen it. Good luck, though, and congrats on graduating! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Althea Turner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: [h-cost] historic academic robes > hello all, > I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my > graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, > or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for > patterns? Thank you! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 10:17:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17FHRR3024289 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:17:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17FGbos020858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:17:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17FFt3d073168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:15:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17FFqXp028356; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:15:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17FFl4N028167 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:15:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ce0.a15a620 (32915) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:15:36 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:15:34 EST Subject: Subject: Re: [h-cost] [OT] borrowers' privileges [was DBBC etc.] To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f81ffb16-eec7-4b7e-9af1-7b7b6abbea4e X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:17:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 07/02/2007 15:03:29 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Tomorrow, I'm going to put in a request for Thor Ewing's Viking Clothing book. Anybody got any comments on it? Prefacing by saying that I don't know anything, because I haven't seen a copy (not really interested in viking, so till somebody orders something it'll stay that way) - a friend says there are some fairly large gaps in it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 10:25:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17FP9Yp024523 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:25:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17FOGVc006028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:25:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17FMxZA075489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:22:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17FMvuf035948; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17FMlk8035692 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:22:36 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l17FMJB93390 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:22:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 07 Feb 2007 09:22:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:22:56 -0600 References: <200702071501.l17F0xB5012282@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:22:45 -0600 Message-ID: <45C99A5E.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200702071501.l17F0xB5012282@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT borrowers' privileges X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e0d0451-b2be-47d7-9e4c-ddc77647f4a2 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45C9EF20.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:25:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Suzanne wrote: > Yeah, but professors get to keep books 'til the end of the academic > year. I'll have to wait 'til mid-May. After 8 years of college and 3 universities I never met a professor who returned anything at the end of the semester. I had to go chasing down more than one book over the years from people who had them more or less on permanent loan. Dawn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I work at a University medical center. Many years ago we got a new director of the library. He made himself *very* unpopular with about half the faculty by insisting they return the books some of them had had for YEARS in their own 'private' libraries. I think what worked was billing their departments for the books. He made the other half of the faculty, and the students, very happy however. Catherine not a librarian but genetically I don't know how I escaped it.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 12:06:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17H6hpL028034 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:06:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17H5mqc016186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:06:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17H5DRc095751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:05:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17H4xBK053933; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:04:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.78]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l17H4s9R053742 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:04:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from evedave1@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 53968 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2007 17:04:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=Kn0ZJoFcpm56BDfHmYWpfNeet98D04pHXMGwqa6NpFbY8/k1Ja2kuUj6xw01XZvRTxn+jJ5RHtCt2UAMc+Mn9AsPgAtb64taPbWJDpmzvKhHhsJnfiukjVqfSQLA/LN3nbBy6k3ruAaxEg+msTbJbElSOr5oCNLqJ8juSvN/GFY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO PleasureDome) (evedave1@rogers.com@72.140.195.14 with login) by smtp100.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2007 17:04:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: rrnbSC4VM1kxNIGr4UrM39k3Hi5vaeNpdaFsJEnjoiloBWn5eLJKN1QwQazzeV7ORA-- From: "Eve Harris & David Stamper" To: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:04:51 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c74ada$14ec1290$0ec38c48@PleasureDome> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <200702062309.l16N8wIW012025@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdKRDT0QYp0Qc6GRH6P4sjO1YIiZQAlRfTQ X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: "anglaise"?? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99203097-cd31-448f-b51f-6d058d5b1316 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CA06F2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:06:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Message: 14 Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:08:31 -0500 From: "Kate Pinner" Subject: [h-cost] "anglaise"?? To: "'Historical Costume'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anybody know what an "anglaise" is? The quote from Woyzeck (written by Beuchner in 1836) has him talking to a Captain '...if I were a proper gentleman with a watch and an "anglaise" '... Kate ========================== My first reaction was "a bit of English crumpet" :-) but could it refer to a top hat? A watch and a hat are key accessories. Male English dress at that time was becoming more and more subdued. Eve Harris _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 12:24:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17HO57a028704 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:24:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17HN73H010191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:24:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17HMG2A099160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:22:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17HMEUL073614; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:22:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17HM7Ud073392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l17HM1CW081566 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:22:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:22:01 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <25107.65.117.156.5.1170868921.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <006301c74ada$14ec1290$0ec38c48@PleasureDome> References: <200702062309.l16N8wIW012025@net.indra.com> <006301c74ada$14ec1290$0ec38c48@PleasureDome> Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:22:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: "anglaise"?? From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=75% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32749dbf-ee58-4886-9e7a-8a0e514b1409 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CA0B05.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:24:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO From: http://romancereaderatheart.com/france/timeline/ # ROBE A L'ANGLAISE: robe fitted and shaped to torso. # ROBE DU MATIN A L'ANGLAISE: English morning dress Does that help? Maybe there is a definition for it in the Costume library. Chiara On Wed, February 7, 2007 11:04 am, Eve Harris & David Stamper said: > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:08:31 -0500 > From: "Kate Pinner" > Subject: [h-cost] "anglaise"?? > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Anybody know what an "anglaise" is? The quote from Woyzeck (written > by > Beuchner in 1836) has him talking to a Captain '...if I were a > proper > gentleman with a watch and an "anglaise" '... > > Kate > > ========================== > > My first reaction was "a bit of English crumpet" :-) but could it > refer to a > top hat? A watch and a hat are key accessories. Male English dress > at that > time was becoming more and more subdued. > > Eve Harris > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 12:34:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17HYscD029180 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:34:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17HY6iR019299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:34:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17HXBf8001660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:33:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17HX6Zw085329; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17HX0Kg085228 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:33:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 4F9132E8213 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:29:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id CD8DE2E80FC for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:29:54 -0600 (CST) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29381 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:32:59 -0600 (CST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: "anglaise"?? 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Thread-Index: AcdK3GGnIVVOot0FR36D3LJJ0QUnZQAAORsg From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l17HX0Kg085228 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12637393-05d3-4edb-b168-c12267610b96 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CA0D8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:34:50 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Anglaise was the term used for anything English or in the English style. Those with means in the French court, especially in the latter half or the 1700's craved any new fashion or food that had l'anglaise or americaine in its name , as these items were supposed to denote a move towards simplicity and naturalness. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chiara Francesca Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:22 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: "anglaise"?? From: http://romancereaderatheart.com/france/timeline/ # ROBE A L'ANGLAISE: robe fitted and shaped to torso. # ROBE DU MATIN A L'ANGLAISE: English morning dress Does that help? Maybe there is a definition for it in the Costume library. Chiara On Wed, February 7, 2007 11:04 am, Eve Harris & David Stamper said: > Message: 14 > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:08:31 -0500 > From: "Kate Pinner" > Subject: [h-cost] "anglaise"?? > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Anybody know what an "anglaise" is? The quote from Woyzeck (written > by > Beuchner in 1836) has him talking to a Captain '...if I were a > proper > gentleman with a watch and an "anglaise" '... > > Kate > > ========================== > > My first reaction was "a bit of English crumpet" :-) but could it > refer to a > top hat? A watch and a hat are key accessories. Male English dress > at that > time was becoming more and more subdued. > > Eve Harris > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 12:47:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17HlOES029632 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:47:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17Hk51o001386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:47:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17HjRGt003553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17HjJRi097793; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:45:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17HjF0k097743 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 10:45:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-74-65-213-40.nyc.res.rr.com [74.65.213.40]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l17HjBlf006515 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:45:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:45:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <200702071501.l17F0xB7012282@net.indra.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Something like Accessible Archives? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be10655b-32bc-4f77-b68c-a8633cf50a73 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CA1077.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 12:47:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I swear by Accessible Archives for the entire run of Godey's Lady's Book, scanned at high resolution and word-searchable. A subscription is affordable to an individual, not just a library or university. Does anyone know of a comparable site for Peterson's or Harper's Bazaar - the sort of thing you can use at home (without being university -affiliated)? I know some sites have an issue here and there, but I'm looking for something more complete. Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 14:32:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17JWjbo032094 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:32:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17JVq2w010732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:32:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17Ijue6013553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:45:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17IjpAd060738; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l17Ijjpo060564 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:45:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Feb 2007 18:45:39 -0000 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+3G+I3joy3u3bq+tUTbRmmT0A23MHjeOseFZ50tp c0fg== Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.0.20070207182519.0196a980@gmx.de> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:45:33 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: "anglaise"?? In-Reply-To: <006301c74ada$14ec1290$0ec38c48@PleasureDome> References: <200702062309.l16N8wIW012025@net.indra.com> <006301c74ada$14ec1290$0ec38c48@PleasureDome> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d169b0ea-bd78-4e80-b56d-38ce631cbf7a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CA292D.039 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:32:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It could be a well-groomed beard. An English mustache ("Englischer Schnurrbart") is still the German term for a thin mustache with twisted tips. Perhaps that kind of beard was en vogue in the 1830ies and a well-groomed beard a status symbol like a watch? Hanna At 18:04 07.02.2007, you wrote: >Message: 14 >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 18:08:31 -0500 >From: "Kate Pinner" >Subject: [h-cost] "anglaise"?? >To: "'Historical Costume'" >Message-ID: > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > >Anybody know what an "anglaise" is? The quote from Woyzeck (written by >Beuchner in 1836) has him talking to a Captain '...if I were a proper >gentleman with a watch and an "anglaise" '... > >Kate > >========================== > >My first reaction was "a bit of English crumpet" :-) but could it refer to a >top hat? A watch and a hat are key accessories. Male English dress at that >time was becoming more and more subdued. > >Eve Harris > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 14:48:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17JlvOT032456 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:47:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17JkwXS019801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:47:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17JkKEr022797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:46:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17JkDIe020736; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:46:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17Jk8dF020630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:46:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.20] (209-148-118-20.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l17Jk6Ie000439 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:46:07 -0800 Message-ID: <45CA2C8A.5060400@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 11:46:18 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Home Ec--Was pattern ease References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fa2d858-511a-4cd0-8071-7b3bbb6ea0d9 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CA2CB6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:47:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO My junior high home ec teachers used Home Ec classes as nauseating propaganda sessions for becoming housewives. As in constantly telling 12-year-olds things like, "Learn about nutrition so you can give your children a good breakfast." And yes, girls were not allowed to take shop. They also were not allowed to wear pants except in winter, and then only if they changed into skirts before school actually started. However, I did take many classes in two different college programs in clothing design. One was for professionals and I majored in couture design and sewing (mostly hand sewing). (The other majors available were ready-to-wear and millinery.) The other, at another college, was part of their Home Ec program, where all that was available were ready-to-wear and home-sewing classes. There I took courses in sewing (required, even if you knew how), pattern drafting, and flat pattern work. I also took courses in textile arts, which was part of the art department, mostly in weaving as it turned out. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/7/2007 7:55:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com writes: > > What is it with Home Ec teachers > > > Actually, seventh grade home ec. got me started sewing for myself--I had > just made doll clothes before that. But I couldn't carry on with home ec. in > high school because I was college prep track and taking French instead. We had > to have a "practical art" to graduation, but I chose typing, and am I glad I > did! > > I majored in home ec. in college, though, and got an excellent grounding in > clothing construction. Also went on to get my master's and Ph.D. in "home > ec." based programs. In one of the classes I TA'ed for, instead of relying on > measurements for pattern sizing, we fitted everyone in the pre-made bodice > shells from one of the pattern companies. That was an interesting > experience--it was the mid 1970s so most of the students had much lower bust points than > the fitting shells did, no doubt a consequence of wearing either less > constructed bras or no bras at all. But that was still probably better than relying > on measurements alone. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 15:46:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17Kk669001486 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:46:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17Kj6pW002875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:46:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17KiP7p032974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:44:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17KiHu4078819; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17KiCFN078648 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:44:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.136] (sjs-130-65-37-136.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.136]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17Ki5mm026613 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:44:06 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <45C8C03C.7000906@frys.com> References: <7C0D5D51-9425-4E30-8389-11B04C9674D8@alfalfapress.com> <45C8C03C.7000906@frys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F103759-1DDC-436B-AD4F-A9BF6CF34519@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 12:44:04 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab91626d-020b-4217-8561-3b2f1268c9b7 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CA3A56.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:46:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Feb 6, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Carolyn Kayta Barrows wrote: >> I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my >> graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's >> robe, or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for >> patterns? > > Either look into the Janet Arnold 'Patterns of Fashion' covering > the Renaissance, or ask on a Harry Potter costume forum like > MadameMalkins@yahoogroups.com . I think the "schaube" (gown) may be in Patterns of Fashion. You don't have to scale up the little pieces, though. If you start with a yoked shirt pattern to make the yoke, the rest of the gown just falls into place. -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ San Jose, CA - '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) - '92 K75sa '03 R1150R (Kevin's) "It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky." --Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel 2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right hand Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 17:51:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17MpgtQ004110 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:51:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17MosKF002168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 17:51:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17KO0QF029621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:24:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17KNlKN059251; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:23:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17KNXJY059034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:23:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HEtKI-0000Rc-TY; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 14:23:34 -0600 Received: from 160.36.154.221 ([160.36.154.221]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:23:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20070207152334.396lzy2v184kwssk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:23:34 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "Dressing the Queen" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 332f5381-8e8c-457e-b7f0-ef56d5271d25 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CA57CE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Is it still up? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 18:01:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17N1hdc004316 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:01:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l17N0oHB018478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:01:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l17MxkQo053660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:59:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17MxfPH009209; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l17Mxae6009131 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:59:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.193.253]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JD4009F97TXH9Y8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:59:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:58:39 -0500 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <020401c74b0b$88272a20$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <7C0D5D51-9425-4E30-8389-11B04C9674D8@alfalfapress.com> <45C8C03C.7000906@frys.com> <5F103759-1DDC-436B-AD4F-A9BF6CF34519@bovil.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 08d8c316-0819-423e-bc31-02cbd7267660 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CA5A22.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 18:01:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If you're looking for a modern pattern as a starting point, the major pattern catalogues all had a choir/clerical robe with a square yoke and a full body and sleeves pleated/gathered in. Good luck with the project, -Helen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 21:55:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l182t5st009102 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:55:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l182sGLZ019104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:55:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l182raa7084892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l182rVZm090716; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:53:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l182rSIN090639 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d59.1c8aa57 (57341) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:53:15 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:53:15 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] House of Mirth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 815fbba5-5eee-492e-8397-d5e8f1ece45a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CA90D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:55:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO After seeing Gillian Anderson in the very good [though overly sedate costumed] "Bleak House", a friend told me to check her out in "House of Mirth". So I did. Yummy and delicious! Another great story about how awful society can be to decent people by Edith Wharton. The costumes are right on. The designer understands the difficult period completely [1905-7]. Highly recommended! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 7 22:05:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1835in4009505 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:05:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1834pOY019856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:05:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1834PFo086148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:04:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1834NKg097600; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 20:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l182mDH0087154 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:48:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c17.10de0773 (57341) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:48:03 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:48:01 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5671fb8-1281-4863-8bcc-bbfff309223c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CA9353.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:05:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/7/2007 3:45:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, attrembl@bovil.com writes: I think the "schaube" (gown) may be in Patterns of Fashion. You don't have to scale up the little pieces, though. If you start with a yoked shirt pattern to make the yoke, the rest of the gown just falls into place. **************** And isn't there a pattern for a "long gown" is Jean Hunnisette's book. Just cartridge pleat the back and front long parts onto the yolk and add wide cartridge pleated sleeves and.... voila! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 00:33:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l185XDIE012184 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:33:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l185WKA4014308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:33:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l185VkqF005639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l185VgZm096082; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:31:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.109]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l185Vcqh095964 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:31:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91274 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2007 05:31:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=b/6EY6nzLvuIDBg56lmxIxSwJmZv5vVg2SeLd5my68K9lkxCotWWK8tGRQFVLR8R80l02x9f0EV4Us8Bn0AReKfc3iQrBCyCLcOmCb4JMbWkJDniO9ayvJ9L8Z7mIxChOyrkT+NahUgYOubKZSYZsDgfCJVt8VDyZ2M53RRQRgY=; X-YMail-OSG: UfnXaNIVM1kZMP_jXWuaLYXhKJYDmo4K5OZEPOy05EkA4IWtGozxwam9SUXk1ZBP_.k84lrM_T012njWLbzJOB4vQfdRJjhA3a2giTEGkD23J6.qIyXcqUwRmj6FMJpRvp1IWwh5PlHb7yw- Received: from [63.250.65.152] by web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:31:32 PST Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:31:32 -0800 (PST) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200702071501.l17F0xB7012282@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <686108.91249.qm@web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] late Victorian princess seam patterns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3157126-7c43-4c61-a9a2-d7de0a530e4d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CAB5E4.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:33:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Everyone, I was just looking at princess line housedresses from the 1890s and am confused by how to sew some of the pieces together. I'll see if I can describe what I see. The back of the bodice is in two pieces with the curved back seam. When you get to the waist line the seamline goes out at a 90 degree angle and then down to the hem. There's no corresponding interior 90 degree angle on the side front so the 5 or 10 inches of fabric that sticks out from the waist has to be gathered or pleated somehow so that the side seam becomes straight again. I am so lost on how this fits together. \ The slanted lines are the center back \ curve and then the side seam takes that \ \ jut to the side but the matching 1 piece for the side back is mainly 1 flat. Am I supposed to stack pleat ------- the outer corner but then what do 1 I do with the raw edges on the top 1 of the stacked pleats? Sorry 1 about the art but maybe some one has seen one of these or the inside of one and can suggest something. These seem to be housedresses so I'm thinking cotton or lightweight wool for my first attempt. Any help or thoughts appreciated. Cassandra ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 00:51:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l185pW41012514 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:51:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l185oc1w025180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:51:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l185oI0U007591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l185oGAK008159; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l185oCtB008057 for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:50:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c5b.9fa786c (30737) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:50:02 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:49:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] late Victorian princess seam patterns To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ecfff71c-c818-44e5-b38d-37aed96c98e5 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CABA2F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:51:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/8/2007 12:32:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rosenau5@yahoo.com writes: Yes, it appears you are to pleat up the extra width of the back piece. As to where the returns go....like towards the CB or away from the CB or box pleated....that is not knowable with the info you gave us. Of course if they go towards the CB, the returns would most likely be no wider than the width measurement of the CB piece at the point of the pleats. Often the top of these pleats are tacked to the flatlining of the back to hold them in place and take the weight. The raw edge can be covered with a piece of twill tape or a strip of lining fabric....all basted to the flatlining of the bodice. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 00:55:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l185tnOS012551 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:55:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l185t0bU020098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:55:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l185sUgl007917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:54:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l185sThg010691; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us (spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.27]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l185sPap010638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:54:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (pri-nat-108-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.109.108]) (Authenticated sender: bchamber@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us) by spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF91C1FC822 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:54:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] late Victorian princess seam patterns Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:54:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <686108.91249.qm@web57005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcdLQqMf3FDu0W6wT3ulP3u82gaViQAAY1rg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20070208055419.CF91C1FC822@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-SuffolkWeb-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-SuffolkWeb-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SuffolkWeb-MailScanner-From: bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us X-Spam-Status: No X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e73c405-0488-4cac-aefd-b06db7f78a82 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CABB35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:55:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO They did a lot of pleats like this, it adds the fullness to the skirt without bulk in the bodice or waist. 10 inches of fabric would definitely have to be some sort of stacked pleat to hang right. A simple bashed together house dress might have had no finishing on the edge, just tacking to hold it in place. A slightly better dress might have had the edges whipped, that might also help hold everything in place securely. A really nice silk morning dress probably would have had the edges bound just as the seams were. 19th Century Fashion in Detail has a good close up of a dress with pleats done this way. It's an exterior picture so it won't give you the construction but it shows the stacking very well, it's on page 202. Beth Chamberlain -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cascio Michael Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:32 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] late Victorian princess seam patterns Hi Everyone, I was just looking at princess line housedresses from the 1890s and am confused by how to sew some of the pieces together. I'll see if I can describe what I see. The back of the bodice is in two pieces with the curved back seam. When you get to the waist line the seamline goes out at a 90 degree angle and then down to the hem. There's no corresponding interior 90 degree angle on the side front so the 5 or 10 inches of fabric that sticks out from the waist has to be gathered or pleated somehow so that the side seam becomes straight again. I am so lost on how this fits together. \ The slanted lines are the center back \ curve and then the side seam takes that \ \ jut to the side but the matching 1 piece for the side back is mainly 1 flat. Am I supposed to stack pleat ------- the outer corner but then what do 1 I do with the raw edges on the top 1 of the stacked pleats? Sorry 1 about the art but maybe some one has seen one of these or the inside of one and can suggest something. These seem to be housedresses so I'm thinking cotton or lightweight wool for my first attempt. Any help or thoughts appreciated. Cassandra ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 03:40:01 -0500 (EST) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by sca.uwaterloo.ca id l188e56c009275 Status: RO Martha, My online Library, www.costumelibrary.com includes a number of fashion publications from the 19th and early 20th Centuries. I try to cover the design and business aspects of the fashion/textile industry and the costume/fancy dress industry over two centuries. I actually stay away from Godey's because it is on the web so much. We have individuals and institutional subscriptions. Our subscribers also have access to our Fashion Color Database, www.fcdatabase.com and our new Costume Encyclopedia, www.costumeencyclopedia.com . The Color Database I mentioned on the list recently. The Encyclopedia can be accessed by anyone at no charge. The images in the database are thumbnails with their descriptions. On the image entire page their is a link provided to the subscription area of the Library. The Library's Table of Contents can be viewed at no charge. Also numerous thumbnails can be seen on our updates webpage, www.costumegallery.com/updates.htm . Today I have added five photographic views of a wire mesh bustle pad from the VCU Fashion Collection. The Costume Encyclopedia contains hundreds of costumes/fashions descriptions from Ancient times to present day. Our resources are photos of actual costumes from institutional and private collections, antique photos, images/illustrations from magazines, books, newspapers, and catalogs. Some of these sources contain character costumes for plays, international cultures, songs, poems, books, paintings, operas, etc. Each of these character costumes will contain information such as setting and their various creators. The Encyclopedia also covers the business side of the industry with business names during specific periods and sometimes antique advertisements for specific retailers, wholesalers, manufacturers, and designers for the fashion and textile industries. Below are some of the publications on our websites. There are more publications and photos but these are the ones I remember from the past 11 years. At the last count we over 10,000 webpages and over 35,000 images on the Gallery websites. It is hard to recall all of them. Periodicals: Lady's Book: Early 19th Century Petersons Magazine: 1849-1880 (selective years and articles) Le Journal des Dames et es Modes: Early 19th Century Delineator Magazine: 1886-early 1920s L'Art de la Mode: 1920-1923 Illustrated London News: 1847-early 1860s (fashion articles) Frank Leslie's Gazette of Fashions & the Beau Monde magazines: 1856 & 1860s Gazette du Bon Ton Ton: 1912-1923: images Dry Goods Economist: 1890s ( Industry Trade Journals) National Retail Clothiers' Association Bulletin, 1918 (Trade Journal) Ladies' Friend, 1870 Ladies' Home Journal: 1893-1913 The Ladies Cabinet of Fashion, Music, & Romance, 1838 (British) Online Books: 1814: Picturesque Representations of The Dress and Manners of the English 1868: The Corset and the Crinoline 1860: Queens of Society: specific chapters online of certain historic women 1880s: Handbuch der Deutschen Tracht (Handbook of German Dress): images 1887: Fancy Dresses Described or What to Wear at Fancy Balls by Ardern Holm (on-going project adding definitions in our Encyclopedia section) 1894: Cole's Dictionary of Dry Goods (on-going project adding definitions in our Encyclopedia section) 1911 Butterick Sewing Manual 1911: Women and Labor by Olive Schreiner 1913: Rose Bertin: The Creator of Fashion at the Court of Marie Antoinette (first two chapters online... very juicy) 1916: Illustrations of Model Gowns, Harry Angelo Company (European fashion designers) 1918: The Secrets of Distinctive Dress, excerpt, Harmonious Color Combinations 1922: William & Wiener. The Paris Models, Paris and New York City (Designer fashions) 1938: French Costumes (19th Century Regional Costume images) Etiquette Books: 1814: Principles of Politeness and knowing of the World by the Late Lord Chesterfield 1877: The Ladies' and Gentlemen's Etiquette: A Complete Manual of the Manners and Dress of American Society 1882: American Etiquette and Rules of Politeness 1921: Book of Etiquette by Lillian Eichler Hair Care Books: 1899: MacFadden's New Hair Culture: Rational, Natural Methods for Cultivating Strength and Luxuriance of the Hair 1911: The Manual on Hairdressing, Manicuring, Facial Massage, Electrolysis, and Chiropody by M.A. Moler Catalogs: 1896: Marshall Field & Co. (Designer Fashions) 1896: "Coming Styles Designed by the Great Costumers of Europe." The Denver Dry Goods, Co. 1897 & 1900: Butterick Patterns Masquerade, Carnival, and Fancy Dress Catalogs 1910: Men's Tog Catalog, Moretz Whitener Clothing Co. Spring and Summer Catalog 1915: Catalogue of American Historical Costumes First Ladies of the White House As Shown in the United States National Museum 1922: Lane Bryant Maternity Catalog 1922: Raynster Raincoats: Rubber Clothing Sundries and Naugahyde Specialities Catalog, U.S. Rubber Company 1922: Guide to Hairdressing at Home, West Electric Hair Curler Company 1923: "Made to Order Clothing", Sears , Roebuck, and Co. (menswear) 1923: Uniforms and Equipment for Bands and Military Organizations, Catalogue No. 36, D. Klein & Bro. 1923: Lombard Middy Blouses Catalog (Bathing suit section) Shoes Catalogs: 1902: Queen's Quality Shoe Catalog Spring and Summer (women) 1910: Walk-Overs for Men, Geo. E. Keith Company, Spring (men) 1920: Thayer McNeil Company, Spring and Summer Catalog (women) Photo Collections: I have over 5,000 photographs of actual costumes to add to the Library. Below are some of our collections in the Library. ***Wedding Dresses exhibit, Valentine Museum, Richmond, VA ***Mardi Gras Costumes exhibit, New Orleans, LA ***John and Mabel Ringling Museum of Art, Sarasota, FL. 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf3fd815-4df3-4dc2-bda5-bda66523731d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CB2B4E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:54:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO A long time ago, I bought one of these: http://www.formaster.com.pl/english/teflon_cover_plate.htm from a TV AD. It works wonderfully, but now mine is getting torn up. I contacted the supplier from the above link, but they are in Poland. Has anyone seen these available State side? I've looked all over the internet and even in "AS SEEN ON TV" but to no avail. Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 09:00:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18E0ePs018711 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:00:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18DxZmh003487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:00:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18DtgmV070769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:55:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Dte2X053469; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:55:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Dta9h053336 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:55:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc1-s10.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:55:31 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:55:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:55:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070207152334.396lzy2v184kwssk@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Dressing the Queen" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:55:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:55:29 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2007 13:55:31.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC0343F0:01C74B88] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a34ad37-5580-432c-91b7-998a8d695f13 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CB2CC7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:00:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sorry, it is not. I lost my website and am in the process of putting it all back up...but won't get back to it until March. Was there a specific question? Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] "Dressing the Queen" > Saragrace, didn't you do a web page on "Dressing the Queen?" (i.e., > the layers and how everything is put together ...) Is it still up? > > susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 09:12:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18ECPb3018979 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:12:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18EBaC0011401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:12:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18E7MWw072765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18E7Klp064355; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:07:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18E7GSC064235 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:07:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JD500EMMDVKIOA0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:07:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:06:50 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Flexible, removable,Teflon iron plate cover - where to buy in US? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:12:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Try one of the New York suppliers-- Steinlauf and Stoller come to mind. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:49 AM To: h-costume; TheRenaissanceTailor Subject: [h-cost] Flexible, removable,Teflon iron plate cover - where to buy in US? A long time ago, I bought one of these: http://www.formaster.com.pl/english/teflon_cover_plate.htm from a TV AD. It works wonderfully, but now mine is getting torn up. I contacted the supplier from the above link, but they are in Poland. Has anyone seen these available State side? I've looked all over the internet and even in "AS SEEN ON TV" but to no avail. Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 09:19:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EJ0i1019148 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:19:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18EI7l9005828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:18:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18EFIES074247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:15:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EFGLm071837; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:15:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EFBG2071667 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:15:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:15:06 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:15:06 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:15:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flexible, removable, Teflon iron plate cover - where tobuy in US? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:18:56 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Yeah, I've checked with them and Greenberg and Hammer. Everyone has the aluminum covered shoes, but not the plain Teflon... Thanks! Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Flexible, removable,Teflon iron plate cover - where tobuy in US? > Try one of the New York suppliers-- Steinlauf and Stoller come to mind. > Monica > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On > Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:49 AM > To: h-costume; TheRenaissanceTailor > Subject: [h-cost] Flexible, removable,Teflon iron plate cover - where to > buy in US? > > > A long time ago, I bought one of these: > http://www.formaster.com.pl/english/teflon_cover_plate.htm > from a TV AD. It works wonderfully, but now mine is getting torn up. > > I contacted the supplier from the above link, but they are in Poland. Has > anyone seen these available State side? > I've looked all over the internet and even in "AS SEEN ON TV" but to no > avail. > > Thanks, > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 09:26:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EQgpb019335 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:26:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18EPlqV017567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:26:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18EOBso075842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:24:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EO8x8079995; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:24:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EO3gm079924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:24:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HFABv-0000M0-MZ; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:24:03 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:24:03 -0500 Message-ID: <20070208092403.u6zk53wfsl40k00w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:24:03 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:26:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Saragrace Knauf : > Sorry, it is not. I lost my website and am in the process of putting it all > back up...but won't get back to it until March. Was there a specific > question? > Not really. We were talking about The Proper Layers on another list, and I went looking for your page to point them too and couldn't find it. I hope it comes back soon! If you know the Old URL, I can see if it's on the WayBack machine. The last restore that I had to do of my website came from The WayBack Machine becaise the backups were corrupted ... *sigh* Thanks! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 09:36:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Ea2Xs019537 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:36:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18EZD3P031953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:35:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18EXNqt077234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:33:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EXMBN088951; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:33:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EXG7R088807 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:33:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.12]) by bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:33:11 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:33:11 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:33:06 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070207152334.396lzy2v184kwssk@www.goldsword.com> <20070208092403.u6zk53wfsl40k00w@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Dressing the Queen" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:33:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:33:08 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2007 14:33:11.0650 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F3DDC20:01C74B8E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e95aba91-245e-49b2-8f34-78d29278b1ad X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB3521.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:35:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO My backups have the HTML but not the pictures or their structure. The HTML is in the Way Back Machine, but not the pictures. I have all the pictures, but they are scattered all over my computer. Thanks for your interest! Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Dressing the Queen" > Quoting Saragrace Knauf : > > > Sorry, it is not. I lost my website and am in the process of putting it > > all > > back up...but won't get back to it until March. Was there a specific > > question? > > > > Not really. We were talking about The Proper Layers on another list, > and I went looking for your page to point them too and couldn't find > it. I hope it comes back soon! If you know the Old URL, I can see if > it's on the WayBack machine. The last restore that I had to do of my > website came from The WayBack Machine becaise the backups were > corrupted ... > > *sigh* > > Thanks! > Susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 09:49:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18En5Ss019919 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:49:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18EmCrO019037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:49:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18Eiw0N080032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:44:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EiuAY000665; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:44:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EiqZO000609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:44:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HFAW5-0004ke-JU; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 08:44:53 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:44:53 -0500 Message-ID: <20070208094453.8n0yd92ccagw8080@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:44:53 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "Dressing the Queen" References: <20070207152334.396lzy2v184kwssk@www.goldsword.com> <20070208092403.u6zk53wfsl40k00w@www.goldsword.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc79b8d3-ba5b-4aef-9146-422b745f1bfe X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB382C.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I was just so thankful that I didn't have to recreate all that HTML! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 09:58:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EwS2w020237 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:58:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18EvZMK000858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:58:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18Eukbv082048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:56:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18EugOB012458; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Eub2r012285 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:56:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JD5003CIG62U201@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:56:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:56:19 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Flexible, removable, Teflon iron plate cover - where tobuy in US? 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 11:42:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18GgdBK022854 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:42:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18GfjiZ001911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:42:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18GeWKU000578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:40:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18GeFja030687; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:40:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Ge8lC030490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 4118384A7B; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6A2848FF for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:39:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:39:58 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000f01c74b9f$c95b36f0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <200702081355.l18DtfU5053480@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: House of Mirth X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e0d24d3-47a2-4460-b9f0-e0c2dae3bac9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB52C9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:42:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ah yes, I'd forgot about that marvellous film. Very compelling. Excellent costumes, yes. Wish there were more films with Gillian Anderson; always thought she is a brilliant actress, one of Oscar calibre. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Soon to come: books by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 11:57:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Gve6l023285 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:57:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18Gukfg025838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:57:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18GsuvM003267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:54:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18GsWli046790; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18GsLWN046571 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:54:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.22323472; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:53:59 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l18GrxY05825.; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:53:59 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:53:59 +0000 Message-Id: <45CB559A02000014000CAD24@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:53:46 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] RE: House of Mirth References: <200702081355.l18DtfU5053480@net.indra.com> <000f01c74b9f$c95b36f0$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <000f01c74b9f$c95b36f0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=44% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4296879-175b-40fd-aad8-d8b90f34cf7b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB564E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:57:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Agreed - I recently bought the DVDs of the BBC's "Bleak House" in which Gillian Anderson is one of the leads - almost all the characters superbly well cast (and the costumes pretty good too, not that I'm a Victorian expert). Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> "Five Rivers Chapmanry" 08/02/2007 16:39 >>>wrote: Ah yes, I'd forgot about that marvellous film. Very compelling. Excellent costumes, yes. Wish there were more films with Gillian Anderson; always thought she is a brilliant actress, one of Oscar calibre. _ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 12:23:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18HN5o7024134 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:23:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18HMGJv003080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:23:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18HLRYU008687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18HLMIV081148; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:21:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp2.pacifier.net (smtp2.pacifier.net [64.255.237.172]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18HLD3l080958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:21:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Scourney@nwlink.com) Received: from sc (ip157.usw235.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [207.202.235.157]) by smtp2.pacifier.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A7C218CCF for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:21:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003301c74ba5$d0bc31f0$0600a8c0@sc> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7C0D5D51-9425-4E30-8389-11B04C9674D8@alfalfapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:23:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 671e02a7-3ecf-400c-b4bc-7df3c577edca X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CB5C48.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:23:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Has anyone pointed you to this yet? http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/occupationaluniforms.htm Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Althea Turner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: [h-cost] historic academic robes > hello all, > I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my > graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, > or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for > patterns? Thank you! > > Althea Turner > althea@alfalfapress.com > > "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have > company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into > anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the > reasons behind things." > William of Conches, 12th century > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 13:08:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18I8IVo025394 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:08:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18I7OdY029280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:08:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18EkmXh080238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:46:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Ekm9a002350; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:46:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Ekijo002305 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:46:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=AVVKG5BN11M+USDgyyzkgyJJ2Hij0z+r2QI9t4JoRtCNEBDtbhC7fsdHQm7DQwa5; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HFAXs-00065y-CI for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 09:46:44 -0500 Received: from 12.23.54.22 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: <5311575.1170946004374.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 09:46:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flexible, removable,Teflon iron plate cover - where tobuy in US? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4cb266cd12bedd3b9f98da47ac7836830666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9004671f-520a-4421-9807-63c463d0206f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB66DC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:08:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO How about the second one on this page? (VERY reliable supplier!) http://www.sewtrue.com/PressingSupplies2.html#Anchor-IS --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer -----Original Message----- >From: Saragrace Knauf >Sent: Feb 8, 2007 9:15 AM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Flexible, removable, Teflon iron plate cover - where tobuy in US? > >Yeah, I've checked with them and Greenberg and Hammer. Everyone has the >aluminum covered shoes, but not the plain Teflon... > >Thanks! > >Sg > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "monica spence" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:06 AM >Subject: RE: [h-cost] Flexible, removable,Teflon iron plate cover - where >tobuy in US? > > >> Try one of the New York suppliers-- Steinlauf and Stoller come to mind. >> Monica >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On >> Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf >> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:49 AM >> To: h-costume; TheRenaissanceTailor >> Subject: [h-cost] Flexible, removable,Teflon iron plate cover - where to >> buy in US? >> >> >> A long time ago, I bought one of these: >> http://www.formaster.com.pl/english/teflon_cover_plate.htm >> from a TV AD. It works wonderfully, but now mine is getting torn up. >> >> I contacted the supplier from the above link, but they are in Poland. Has >> anyone seen these available State side? >> I've looked all over the internet and even in "AS SEEN ON TV" but to no >> avail. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sg >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 13:16:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18IGc8t025615 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:16:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18IFgoD030007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:16:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18IEugY017858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:14:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18IEh2p042903; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:14:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23111.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23111.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.51]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l18I8wUe036079 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:09:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 46748 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2007 18:08:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mZwDxNpei2aEc176NeNgWoNnw6hQ1S4Gz/s4RvCf8dNjSCaBcnsRA0akjXfqdcr2sIW8QJM8wpUdd0JBuipyMTPtWKkAyZtfZbRqaP1L6WRsRSQbulwRjuKN18rB5QDWB7rh1OpPgHm3J63dzbx/cdpwiZeJvqIZpiuFsbKefdA=; X-YMail-OSG: X13hGDkVM1kVJQ7hpHVfry.UZOQDna53gQIHkvFRnpW.QTl1HyvVme0DJGXQiIw_X9Gcyu3YPo1H21Pw5I8swHmG3e313cavesfPek0lv.qVE5NbxQ_RFhWWGpf2hXqTxgzYbP3wS7QI Received: from [82.112.157.148] by web23111.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:08:52 GMT Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:08:52 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <003301c74ba5$d0bc31f0$0600a8c0@sc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <659721.43776.qm@web23111.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] historic academic robes - robes for 15th/16th C. Barber Surgeons, Chirugeons, & Notaries X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56d926da-3a72-48d1-8c10-72b0b3571e09 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CB68CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:16:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Susan wrote: Hi, Has anyone pointed you to this yet? http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/occupationaluniforms.htm REQUEST FOR HELP, PLEASE Gentles of the Historical Costume List, can any Listers direct me to clear contemporary illustrations of the over-robes worn for "normal day wear" by late-medieval professionals such as Barber-Surgeons, Chirugeons, and Notaries? From the few illustrations I've been able to find so far, - any prosperous middle-class man seems to have worn some variation on a long - just-above-the-ankles, heavy-looking robe, of some dark fabric, trimmed with fur around the neck, sleeve-cuffs or armholes, vertical front closure hems; and bottom hem. I am already aware of the Holbein portrait of "King Henry VIII with the College of Barber Surgeons". Unfortunately, the digitised versions I've been able to access are too dark to be able to see much clothing detail on the Barber Surgeons' robes. I've looked quickly at the website posted by Susan [see above] for another enquirer, - but couldn't see any sub-headings relevant to my own search for pictures clear enough to enable me to acquire/make such a robe for my own future use in a portrayal of a Barber-Surgeon of the period 1490-1509. Your help is humbly solicited, and will be most gratefully received. YIS, Matthew Baker, isolated from the SCA mainstream in "old" Jersey. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 13:26:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18IQfOD025838 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:26:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18IPqfK003393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:26:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18IPDdJ019773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:25:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18IP7et055401; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50613.mail.yahoo.com (web50613.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l18IP2X3055196 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:25:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bonniebc2001@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87937 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2007 18:24:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1K8NeT/Fv66IT+g3VbqwKx4OSNSjU1ylYHhs/59bjxbWrGiKq5ymVvAShqSuXuwTpplBen0OvuGBjy2Lc8ACssEhPleywxHcmWVXga1sCgLiWrdD3qzBzjsnePfk4/e6av86DEjXQ9aOHW+FFHa8d5PUnpRXABDcj6TwKX+RKIU=; X-YMail-OSG: 1qCprjgVM1lGm_8j3MZr84HrmR8UF2m7BpD0Z639N7HqNCnvcCgzU_beVNWTr4ue8CMNc4cHBmur.rs7N2lzdHp0jd0PdepQ34Mi5_ycTlxRQ2Hu8JBUjwQ14H5tbzBbPDzYbPhiASnWog-- Received: from [66.11.16.57] by web50613.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:24:56 PST Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 10:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: Beryl Curtis Roblin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <219678.87545.qm@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mid-20th c. evening wear fashion photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c0d700a-603b-4fef-b933-b896ca7f3295 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CB6B30.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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TV. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 13:43:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18IhPwd026145 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:43:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18IgbA0011720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:43:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18Ielxi022768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:40:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18IeX8u074009; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:40:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18IeMxa073693 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:40:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JD500KJCQJ0XB70@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:40:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:40:02 -0500 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <005f01c74b5c$6d610de0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for picture in color X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7e25d5f-de9d-4038-9b73-c6eaaf1f2e89 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB6F1D.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:43:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Does anyone have a color photo from a painting at the Met? http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11&viewmode=1&item=63. 43.1 Thanks-- Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 13:59:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18IxQGb026494 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18IwXWi023738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18Iw3lY026227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:58:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Ivqeg094061; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:57:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18IvTew093627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:57:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HFESU-00075Q-HT; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:57:26 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <20070208135726.1wn838loto0so0wk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:57:26 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 624d8403-0f27-4ad6-9d04-08db93900562 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CB72D9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:59:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting monica spence : > > > Does anyone have a color photo from a painting at the Met? > > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11&viewmode=1&item=63.43.1 > *WOW* I'd settle for a larger copy! Have you emailed the museum? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 14:09:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18J9p5J026787 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:09:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18J93ZP017509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:09:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18J237R027011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:02:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18J1f83098572; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:01:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18J0sqN097557 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:01:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070208190048.IMLX11643.fep30.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:00:48 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.170]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070208190048.KLDO119.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:00:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c74bb3$80a8be00$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:01:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.67.170] at Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:00:45 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e417c135-1f33-47eb-a5e0-274dd222ac4a X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CB754F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:09:47 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dear Monica, The link dont work. When i get there, there is no picture! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "monica spence" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: [h-cost] looking for picture in color > > > Does anyone have a color photo from a painting at the Met? > > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11&viewmode=1&item=63. > 43.1 > > Thanks-- > Monica > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 14:19:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JJWDZ027057 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:19:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18JIh5u003809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:19:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18JIAEx030350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:18:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JI5aM018009; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:18:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JI0Yh017890 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:18:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.180] (pm5-180.eos.net [205.133.149.180]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l18JHwOv007327 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:17:59 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:59:40 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200702070302.l1732USL000953@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: pattern sizes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc46a510-88e5-4357-8b10-40fd0627b8db X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CB7793.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:19:27 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Monica wrote: > The pattern companies changed their specs in the middle 60s. > > FWIW--Sizes as we know them are not "accurate" since there is no real > standard. Most companies have their dress form made to their own specs-- > Target. Kmart and JCPenneys have them. Others probably do too. It gets > expensive for the manufacturer who has to foot the bill for multiple sizes > and for multiple stors. Some of the forms are $2000. > > No wonder people make garments offshore now... But why can't they all use the same standard? I can shop at certain stores, but not at all in others. I am petite and a size 6-8 US, so I am not unusually shaped other than being short. But there's no point in my trying on clothes at, say, Target or Kohl's. JC Penney? They fit! But in lots of stores, for instance, I swim in the small misses shirts, while the juniors shirts (supposing I can find any non-slutty ones) look like I'm about to burst out of even the mediums and larges. Where do the real medium and large-sized teenagers go? Pattern companies are even crazier! Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 14:25:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JPdiK027265 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:25:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18JOkYS027366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:25:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18JNSpi031615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:23:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JNOMk024186; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:23:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JNBnB023794 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:23:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070208192301.FMAU6992.fep31.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:23:01 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.170]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070208192301.KLID11319.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:23:01 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c74bb6$9d11f7c0$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070208135726.1wn838loto0so0wk@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:23:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.170] at Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:23:00 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb15bf15-18bc-49a7-a0d4-27bb48e06e50 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CB78FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:25:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dont know what happened, it didnt work before, but now i have seen it. That is so beautifull. I love that pattern on the striped panels and the stomacher. It must be embroidered? Or was it wowen specially like this? Bjarne who sees embroidery everywhere ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color > Quoting monica spence : > >> >> >> Does anyone have a color photo from a painting at the Met? >> >> http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11&viewmode=1&item=63.43.1 >> > > *WOW* > > I'd settle for a larger copy! Have you emailed the museum? > > susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 14:26:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JQtX9027300 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:26:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18JQ235005486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:26:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18JPZmY031976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:25:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JPXbf026444; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:25:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.140]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l18JPTPW026237 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:25:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96895 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2007 19:25:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=POWAeppDLyzQVR0nw1MoL6ux4+QOMKz7dVIhStiyGz/jsgUbQpraiXY265RJeXPJNGZIJdUowiw9/r83+QYyjkRcdGT2L1uDhwW9Twi4rP0GTEbmEASqOlawMJ4H0qB3kWBUZP09vHvqo861t2guhXna7L46ZFvBjvfEcHeqJ1s=; X-YMail-OSG: z326u20VM1kFCc.PrJfynSj3IOMAmgOK3pT9wwBg Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:25:23 PST Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes - robes for 15th/16th C. 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Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 14:33:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JXsTI027524 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:33:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18JX0mE014708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:33:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18JWVb3033143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:32:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JWOrL033931; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:32:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JW4kj033598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HFF01-0003Xn-NN; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:32:05 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:32:05 -0500 Message-ID: <20070208143205.0rkmit4pbfkkco48@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:32:05 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color References: <000701c74bb3$80a8be00$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000701c74bb3$80a8be00$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f8576e8-1c7c-4781-9018-f58414372d00 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB7AEC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:33:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Dear Monica, > The link dont work. When i get there, there is no picture! > The periods cause the URL to break funny. Try this http://tinyurl.com/3yhyuk I want to see that embroidery in color! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 14:42:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JghcD027759 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:42:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18Jftls023478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:42:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18JeSK5034499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:40:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JeQBO042597; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:40:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JeKbi042392 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l18JeEv18152 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:40:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <003301c74ba5$d0bc31f0$0600a8c0@sc> References: <7C0D5D51-9425-4E30-8389-11B04C9674D8@alfalfapress.com> <003301c74ba5$d0bc31f0$0600a8c0@sc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <8F2620C6-B0C4-4D05-8162-30BD98E277B2@alfalfapress.com> From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] historic academic robes Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:40:07 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f975c02d-34c0-4164-aef2-d47f129e5d40 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CB7D03.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:42:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO My thanks for all the information. I've gotten a pretty good idea of the gowns, but still don't have a good notion of the hoods. Does anyone have good pictures of their own doctoral hoods? Thanks! Althea On Feb 8, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Susan wrote: > Hi, Has anyone pointed you to this yet? > http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/occupationaluniforms.htm > > Susan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Althea Turner" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:37 AM > Subject: [h-cost] historic academic robes > > >> hello all, >> I've gotten permission to make my own cap, gown and hood for my >> graduation this June. I would like to use the Alcega scholar's robe, >> or something similar. Does anyone know of a good source for >> patterns? Thank you! >> >> Althea Turner >> althea@alfalfapress.com >> >> "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have >> company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into >> anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the >> reasons behind things." >> William of Conches, 12th century >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 14:43:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JhNQW027776 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:43:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18JgZ4S004958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:43:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18Je7tB034451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:40:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Je5a9042227; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:40:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Je2Xj042130 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:40:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.197.206]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JD5000ECT6OJ6YE@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:38:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:37:31 -0500 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <01d901c74bb8$960eda90$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000701c74bb3$80a8be00$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4efef9f1-949a-4334-bd86-e64550175597 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CB7D2B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The URL was too long and it truncated in Monica's post. -Helen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 14:44:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Jij2v027828 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:44:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18Jhufb028497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:44:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18JcIjN034192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:38:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18JcCrV040390; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web57012.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57012.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.116]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l18Jc6Ca040169 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:38:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8892 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Feb 2007 19:38:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TX2uYUpgMukzBRdqtTV2iktOKM7vmS1K1BqIvUHZJZVC9m6cgmfJ4xGJwrfnxh6Q54u6+XSEVooaf6w6WIfXkTTfABY+7udXXf+G5QDRU56gVXiH6vkm29O845Jz+drUJrkEatJtqVqluFbjcueygVzZKS8u90FCVJQI1zswBjc=; X-YMail-OSG: CKAsnfUVM1nsvQcjTT4XaeoGp0BdbHU1RwT.L4Ec Received: from [63.250.65.76] by web57012.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:38:00 PST Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 11:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <274057.8681.qm@web57012.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] princess seam construction thanks X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4e809e5-31e1-42dd-8e64-3a1067c94042 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB7D7C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 15:12:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KCqvC028647 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:12:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18KC4IV024802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:12:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18KBMVX040217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:11:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KBBwS077379; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KB74u077220 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:11:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JD5005Q5UQ2PR00@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:11:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:10:40 -0500 From: monica spence In-reply-to: <219678.87545.qm@web50613.mail.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] soleplate X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fdd84a1-4272-430f-bde1-06189a076eac X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CB8414.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:12:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Here is another source fore that soleplate, Saragrace, Garment Center, 252 B W. 37th St 212 279 8774 Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 15:14:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KE8PT028675 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:14:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18KDIpv025724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:14:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18KC1h5040312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:12:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KBwk9078256; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:11:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KBHcM077411 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:11:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JD5005Q5UQ2PR00@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:11:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:10:43 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for picture in color In-reply-to: <20070208135726.1wn838loto0so0wk@www.goldsword.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f074d1c3-e90f-4df6-8e18-7ec9d10f888a X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CB845E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:14:04 -0500 (EST) Status: RO No, but they say on their website that they sell B&W photos, no mention of color. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color Quoting monica spence : > > > Does anyone have a color photo from a painting at the Met? > > http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11&viewmode=1&item=63. 43.1 > *WOW* I'd settle for a larger copy! Have you emailed the museum? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 15:14:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KExFw028705 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:14:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18KEAHM011998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:14:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18KDfE3040584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:13:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KDdlw080019; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:13:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KDWkr079776 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:13:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JD5004UWUUAY100@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:13:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:13:12 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for picture in color In-reply-to: <001501c74bb6$9d11f7c0$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02f63d75-b913-4411-9206-d1e2cd46b4a6 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CB8493.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:14:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Bjarne-- Yes, it looks to be embroidered. The painting is so muck lovelier than the B&W photo. I have spent some time at the Met staring at it. The guards always tell me not to get too close... Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 2:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color Dont know what happened, it didnt work before, but now i have seen it. That is so beautifull. I love that pattern on the striped panels and the stomacher. It must be embroidered? Or was it wowen specially like this? Bjarne who sees embroidery everywhere ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for picture in color > Quoting monica spence : > >> >> >> Does anyone have a color photo from a painting at the Met? >> >> http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Art/viewOne.asp?dep=11&viewmode=1&item=63. 43.1 >> > > *WOW* > > I'd settle for a larger copy! Have you emailed the museum? > > susan > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology > http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 15:44:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Ki0T5029464 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:44:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18Kh6uD022712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:43:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18KeHmr045250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KeADO011435; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:40:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18Ke6s7011319 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:40:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9161137738 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:37:37 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:37:38 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20070208143205.0rkmit4pbfkkco48@www.goldsword.com> X-DCC-Servercave-Metrics: net.indra.com 1183; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] thanks for the site, Venetian carnival? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fdb8003-e5e6-43ca-9c69-ce551facc48e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB8B5A.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:43:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO http://tinyurl.com/2dhssg De -----Original Message----- The periods cause the URL to break funny. Try this http://tinyurl.com/3yhyuk I want to see that embroidery in color! susan ----- Susan Farmer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 16:01:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18L10FS029911 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:01:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18L09mx016298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:00:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18KxZRW048887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KxVP8034576; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18KxMPL034299 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas1x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48B427342 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:16 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com (am.scan.smtp.agilent.com [130.29.152.233]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25971C23D5 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:14 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.128]) by wcosvs03.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:59:14 -0700 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh03.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:14 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [h-cost] Mid-20th c. evening wear fashion photos Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 13:59:12 -0700 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D964024A5940@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <200702081858.l18IvroM094084@net.indra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Mid-20th c. evening wear fashion photos Thread-Index: AcdLtAseQd0HgaZ7QWqPNHOT3xgLoAABnO4g From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2007 20:59:14.0347 (UTC) FILETIME=[FD48EFB0:01C74BC3] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l18KxMPL034299 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9616bc14-bd19-464a-b3fc-56a5360af754 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB8F59.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:00:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > I'm a librarian looking for books of fashion photographs > for one of my library customers. She is interested in women's > evening wear of the 1940s and 1950s. Does anyone know of a > good source or sources for this kind of information? There are a number of books I'd look at, depending on what exactly you're looking for (in no particular order): _New Look to Now. French Haute Couture 1947-1987_ by Stephen DE Pietri and Melissa Leventon * has photos of museum displays. All "High Fashion". _Blueprint of Fashion. Home Sewing Patterns of the 1950s_ by Wade Laboissonniene * if you're looking for photo's of real people, this isn't it. It's got lots of pictures of sewing pattern covers. Many of which are evening dresses. _This Fabulous Century 1940-1950_ and _This Fabulous Century 1950-1960_ published by Time Life Books * photos of real people (and real magazine articles) from Time magazine. The pictures of evening dress are usually on the wealthy or the stars. _American Costume 1915-1970. A Sourcebook for the Stage Costumer_ by Shirley Miles O'Donnell * it has some photos, but is mostly line drawings of both day and evening wear. The text is very useful though... _Vogue. History of 20th Century Fashion_ by Jane Muluagh * This is entirely "High Fashion" but there are lots of photos of women in evening wear. Other books that I don't have (and therefore cannot vouch for) that may be useful: Harris, Kristina. _Vintage Fashions for Women: The 1950s& 60s_ Shih, Joy. _Fashionable Clothing from the Sears Catalogs: Late 1950s_ Skinner, Tina. _Fashionable Clothing from the Sears Catalogs: Mid 1950s_ Skinner, Tina. _Fashionable Clothing from the Sears Catalogs: Mid 1940s_ Skinner, Tina and McCord, Lindy. _Fashionable Clothing from the Sears Catalogs: Late 1940s_ Skinner, Tina and Schuck, Jenna Palecko. _Fashionable Clothing from the Sears Catalogs: Early 1940s_ Smith, Desire. _Fashionable Clothing: From the Sears Catalogs, Early 1950s_ Smith, Desire. _Vintage Style 1920-1960_ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 16:15:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18LFV7L030196 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:15:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18LEZci022660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:15:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18LDxEO051447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:14:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18LDvEH050689; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18LDqMs050518 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:13:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d40.1da80a0 (29673) for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:13:37 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mid-20th c. evening wear fashion photos To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1583f32e-11e8-4bbf-b1eb-798ed63ff765 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CB92BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:15:27 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/8/2007 4:00:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sunshine_buchler@agilent.com writes: There are a number of books I'd look at *************** But don't forget actual fashion mags from whatever year you want. Most libraries have Vogue, McCalls, and the like....all bound up by year. I designed [many years ago] a play by Arthur Kopit "Oh Dad, Poor Dad. Mom's Hung You in the Closet and I'm Feeling So Sad". What a great and bizarre black comedy that was! Anyway, it takes place in Cuba at Carnival in the mid 50's. I did all my research from mags of the period. I learned from this to pick a year....a specific year [I chose 1956...the year I was born] because...well... I noticed things like, in 1955, the full skirts came from the waist. But in 1956, there was a distinct trend of having the skirts come from a high hip, with a basque or the bodice cut longer. This waned in 1957. It was amazing the details you can glean from primary sources. {now of course not everybody wears the clothes of the current year, but Madam Rosepetal, the "mom" from hell in the play, would NEVER be caught in something not up to the minute!] _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 16:26:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18LQhX9030418 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:26:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18LPtIv024193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:26:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18LPL8Z053265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:25:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18LPEhT061698; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:25:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18LOlXq061099 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:25:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.254]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070208212441.JOVA3711.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:24:41 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.254]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070208212440.LFPZ19592.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:24:40 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20070208152043.026ba7e0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:24:36 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: RE: [h-cost] looking for picture in color In-Reply-To: <200702082114.l18LDvp4050693@net.indra.com> References: <200702082114.l18LDvp4050693@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7565e423-0fa9-46da-8634-195014f12487 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CB9563.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 16:26:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Photographs are permitted at the Met. Unfortunately, I live too far (Arkansas) to run in and take some! I do have the big Met catalog.. I'll check it. Couldn't find the painting in Storia. Beth >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:13:12 -0500 >From: monica spence > >Hi Bjarne-- >Yes, it looks to be embroidered. The painting is so muck lovelier than the >B&W photo. I have spent some time at the Met staring at it. The guards >always tell me not to get too close... > >Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 18:27:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18NR7KH000619 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:27:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l18NQEBi030385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:27:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l18NPHtM073422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:25:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18NPCIG085679; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:25:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l18NP5lR085556 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so699340nzf for ; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:25:09 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=CeuFwg6wdzH76lJue3dDIdGvxvEbxG2VpejeBoGIoLsflB6IppB1vDwsHythbqzsiXeUjPYTWmPiShP0hJeQzssCY4k8BvisNuCna2PRXUjzIDieKfThN9AqYMae1CDGLEuwcbPYeMmJGn89Z61PTYkJkjj2en+HnpkljGGwI0c= Received: by 10.64.204.19 with SMTP id b19mr14847027qbg.1170977108949; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 15:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.15 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:25:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 15:25:08 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1137e8b2-d293-435d-bb5f-74efd5b5d4e3 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CBB196.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:27:03 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > What is it with Home Ec teachers??? I suffered a similar fate. I had > to take Home Ec as I was female, shop was strictly for the boys. I had > been cooking and sewing for years before hand. Heh, I was in the garage playing powertools with my dad. I've decided to re-learn braising (it's kinda like welding) so I can make a huge wire supportasse. The wire wrap one I tried was too heavy & warped. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 8 21:01:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1921eEx004088 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:01:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1920l7O007827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 21:01:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19204VI092104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:00:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l192006d010394; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:00:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l191xv0N010271 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:59:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.136] (sjs-130-65-37-136.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.136]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l191xomm013767 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:59:50 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A477389-89A5-40AA-B48F-01304B5BE89E@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 17:59:47 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec62124e-5df8-4c6f-a34c-6ae822a65c91 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CBD5CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Feb 2007 21:01:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Feb 8, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Cin wrote: >> What is it with Home Ec teachers??? I suffered a similar fate. I >> had >> to take Home Ec as I was female, shop was strictly for the boys. >> I had >> been cooking and sewing for years before hand. > > Heh, I was in the garage playing powertools with my dad. I've decided > to re-learn braising (it's kinda like welding) so I can make a huge > wire supportasse. The wire wrap one I tried was too heavy & warped. Brazing, please. Braising is something from home-ec ;) -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ San Jose, CA - '72 R75/5 '86 R100 (mine) - '92 K75sa '03 R1150R (Kevin's) "It's not pink, it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky." --Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel 2nd most important safety device on my bike: the one beneath my right hand Most important safety device on my bike: the one inside my helmet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 06:31:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19BVJTh000531 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:31:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19BUQPQ007888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:31:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19BTqJe045726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 04:29:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19BTk2C069692; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 04:29:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26515.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26515.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l19BTda5069534 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 04:29:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lenastrid@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 62628 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2007 11:29:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0qip87y8J3HQ63kNuXrosgz9dsFgFkTD1Yla3YTUi3rgWBBZhjcEY7Zn4WUzYAXJ32VFj6CM27QF9r/HZxyDH+YnpCoEumEK47a9LuG4v/Nn3k/XWnytpMbCXyLBQ4+kzkS8Ocq/0rgRGLKme0KYH9ebijNMQAVNlqQbb1mstIo=; X-YMail-OSG: ZhWMd8UVM1l8IFPKHpg2u4waqW1S16FKVHWPSc.VUmnYobHS4buknH4u1VKi5w9sD0_qgXhUI.yW9UkqdV3P_UaVpUMeUjNGlXanAxOFWbqLskklaawhBlGf2FbnnR8SKCPncswiMc_. Received: from [217.158.62.84] by web26515.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:29:33 GMT Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:29:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Lena To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <971393.61417.qm@web26515.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Early Medieval horisontal looms X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e50af02-2da0-4995-9745-d4025ea15e0f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CC5B52.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 06:31:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO A while ago, someone on this list asked for reference to a shuttle found in Waterford, Ireland. I've come across a completely unrelated object, but relevant for the early medieval horisontal looms: A pulley from Sigtuna, Sweden (dated to 11th-12th centuries). Picture here: http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/fid.asp?fid=117780 My source (in swedish): http://histvarld.historiska.se/histvarld/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2335 If you want more info, either contact me, or ask the forum directly (scroll down the main forum page for the English forum). Hope this can be of use to some of you. /Lena ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 08:33:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19DXt63021407 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:33:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19DX2lS016570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:33:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19DWUkc060466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:32:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19DWOpr062937; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:32:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19DWJSE062812 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:32:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070209133213.PHQK6992.fep31.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:32:13 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.170]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070209133213.KYNP20909.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:32:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000301c74c4e$cca194d0$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:32:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.67.170] at Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:32:11 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] shoe sizes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e148b00-24ba-4476-b6f9-dd5eabdd1b05 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CC780E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:33:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Does any know what a size 8 for mens shoes would be in european nr´s. I use a size 38 but i think they would fit. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 08:44:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19Dints021720 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:44:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19DhuE4024152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:44:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19DhSHZ062112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:43:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19DhPOS072734; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:43:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23404.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23404.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.89]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l19DhMwm072634 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:43:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marquesate@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 48894 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Feb 2007 13:43:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=aILJareataEcyAQaQ+UoSftHGwQ/4f6vQSIuO24qlJI7VoR3JuOp5GDYdCStlfaWdiljIxDxF4T3YFyoo4pGBNpg8alSqB38i+PIPRpvO60VHpBv6jAg7Lq3LviN0SGpUlh6s+dW2skjOLaaAT7KnjHhFnhjMBwaixgRTkr+PTk=; X-YMail-OSG: clkVX6YVM1kt0snr34xhA6xg12_sQNCozcTjhEDq92DQ8WdjfsEVMckTu6opK9_f5jWi2C9OYTT0yaRbDHdR4J3y5tvTwH1jg7JVq5PxJpMC._6YzA0YE8j_IkiQ0h9W.YZ.akf89SSl Received: from [137.195.176.11] by web23404.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:43:16 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/368.7 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.7 Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:43:15 +0000 (GMT) From: N Kipar Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoe sizes To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-ID: <121457.47389.qm@web23404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l19DhMwm072634 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5ec2162-e97f-4447-bf11-37bc1cdf87d5 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CC7A9C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:44:45 -0500 (EST) Status: RO 8 is much bigger than 38. At least for ladies' shoes I wear between a size 6.5 to 7.5 in the UK depending on the shoe designer and on the Continent that would be around 41. Thus 8 would be 42/43. Nicole ----- Original Message ---- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Friday, 9 February, 2007 1:32:50 PM Subject: [h-cost] shoe sizes Does any know what a size 8 for mens shoes would be in european nr´s. I use a size 38 but i think they would fit. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 08:52:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19DqeUe021927 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:52:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19DpktZ030229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:52:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19DpMsD063075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:51:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19DpKVJ079101; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:51:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19DpGid079035 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:51:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1229947328 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:51:16 -0600 Message-ID: <010e01c74c51$5fe39200$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <121457.47389.qm@web23404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] shoe sizes Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:51:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 080aaf43-809e-49f1-87a2-76b0677144b3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CC7C72.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:52:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO http://salamandershoes.com/m_chart.php comparison chart. Denise Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 09:14:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19EELtt022512 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:14:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19EDXnm010574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:14:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19ECn5H066597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:12:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19ECkPT097957; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:12:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19ECfKV097794 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:12:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070209141236.XPOP22090.fep32.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:12:36 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.170]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070209141235.KZZF119.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:12:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01c74c54$70dec540$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:13:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.67.170] at Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:12:31 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] shoe sizes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4554f7ce-6d3f-4ec8-b755-59bbdbeef084 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CC818D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:14:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dear Nicole and Denise. Thanks for your prompt answers. That was a shame, they are two big for me. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 09:25:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19EPaKT022860 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:25:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19EOlih005818 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:25:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19EM9OB068461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:22:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19EM8PO007892; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:22:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19EM3Rd007721 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:22:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:26:11 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [h-cost] shoe sizes Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:26:05 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B01A4EC85@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <000301c74c4e$cca194d0$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] shoe sizes Thread-Index: AcdMT2pzmoQCd7Q8QjODULbIZIQJQgABquew From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2007 14:26:11.0384 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F281B80:01C74C56] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l19EM3Rd007721 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04930314-1361-47a8-a853-adec309fc870 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CC842F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:25:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Bjarne, Try this link: www.i18nguy.com/l10n/shoes.html It's a conversion chart. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 8:33 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] shoe sizes Does any know what a size 8 for mens shoes would be in european nr´s. I use a size 38 but i think they would fit. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 10:07:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19F7Hlv024043 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:07:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19F6NmX015806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:07:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19F5UpI075175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:05:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19F5Orn053205; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:05:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S1.cableone.net (s1.cableone.net [24.116.0.227]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19F5JDo053045 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:05:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [72.24.105.253]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 94284300 for ; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:05:05 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000301c74c4e$cca194d0$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: RE: [h-cost] shoe sizes Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:05:00 -0600 Message-ID: <009201c74c5b$ac8b6560$6401a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000301c74c4e$cca194d0$aa43a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdMT2q5UMKDXxSMSX6R1c67Bs+zAgADBARQ X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 71, in=126, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 72.24.105.253 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l19F5JDo053045 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e26533f7-9c46-4742-8ade-fa01ec3718a9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CC8DEF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:07:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Bjarne-- A size 8 US men's shoe would be a 38 or 39 European size. You can't trust US sizes, though--they vary quite a bit. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:33 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] shoe sizes Does any know what a size 8 for mens shoes would be in european nr´s. I use a size 38 but i think they would fit. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 10:49:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19Fnahp025595 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:49:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19FmhoT014252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:49:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19FmFNv082685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:48:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19Fm9BS000144; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:48:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19Fm2Km099935 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:48:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=diuuKsAxNkjZv5ZpxM5ngdrfXV92GOT6/ha797nqsRSsAkAOAASWSRyEX2/V9sFO; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HFXyk-0000ht-1H for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:48:02 -0500 Received: from 12.39.255.210 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:48:01 -0500 Message-ID: <17800989.1171036081939.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:48:01 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: ruthanneb@mindspring.com To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] shoe sizes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3ad22d0308f02f3c21b586f7ff62647d40683398e744b8a4bad56825a9bd86ff5b59f3c593bf69af350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l19Fm2Km099935 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb1c323f-9b26-4c81-aa29-abf626de4c42 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CC97DB.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 10:49:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO This is true. But I can say for sure: I (female) wear a size 37 in the European shoes I wear (Berkenstock, but also some closed shoes) and a 6 1/2 or 7 in American-sized shoes; my consort (male) wears an 8 or 8 1/2 American size. There's no way he could fit into my shoes, and his are too large for me even to clomp around in, so I'd question the equation of 8 US men's and 38 or 39 European. A little small on him and a little big on me would NOT wind up to be the same size.... --for what it's worth-- Ruth Anne -----Original Message----- >From: Kim Baird >Sent: Feb 9, 2007 10:05 AM >To: 'Historical Costume' >Subject: RE: [h-cost] shoe sizes > >Bjarne-- > >A size 8 US men's shoe would be a 38 or 39 European size. >You can't trust US sizes, though--they vary quite a bit. >Kim > >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On >Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 7:33 AM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] shoe sizes > >Does any know what a size 8 for mens shoes would be in european nr´s. >I use a size 38 but i think they would fit. > >Bjarne > > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 14:39:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19JdqTZ003848 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:39:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19Jd43D027702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:39:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19JcQZW020385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:38:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19JcFDC040409; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:38:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.235]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19JbbDT039669 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:37:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so991015nzf for ; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:37:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=YSW9KWo1OYdrb08+i/7uWyVie8/q1gYSzY6e28U5AOPJLZoYD7zBdaMwFAhjgHD+QwgpqmDTYtEovjYeECKAToIDUsCfnl3/SPFMM9WYu3cL3IiapTtCG2tZNCGYh5lpEN5fjUT/AfoMMpPom2xXj3ZRIGxZkomnUWPSP3dHLvU= Received: by 10.64.233.12 with SMTP id f12mr2102762qbh.1171049854600; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.1 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:37:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:37:34 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Pattern ease MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b5f13cd-1394-4632-986c-7a00ca50c340 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CCCDD8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:39:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO From: Andrew T Trembley >> Heh, I was in the garage playing powertools with my dad. I've decided >> to re-learn braising (it's kinda like welding) so I can make a huge >> wire supportasse. The wire wrap one I tried was too heavy & warped. >Brazing, please. >Braising is something from home-ec ;) Funny. Thanks, --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 15:06:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19K6JIB004499 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:06:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19K5V5j016831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:06:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19K3W2I023968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19K3ShE063958; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:03:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19K3OOw063800 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:03:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.46]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070209200318.HSOR3157.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:03:18 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.46]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070209200317.ZZAB2834.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:03:17 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20070209133401.02d41e30@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:03:12 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Early Medieval horisontal looms In-Reply-To: <200702091901.l19J16Ou004887@net.indra.com> References: <200702091901.l19J16Ou004887@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b1b7c41-bb6c-4f71-aa80-d0f6a50f3d5c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CCD40B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:06:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thank you very much. Any evidence helps! Beth >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:29:33 +0000 (GMT) >From: Lena >Subject: [h-cost] Early Medieval horisontal looms > >A while ago, someone on this list asked for reference >to a shuttle found in Waterford, Ireland. I've come >across a completely unrelated object, but relevant for >the early medieval horisontal looms: A pulley from >Sigtuna, Sweden (dated to 11th-12th centuries). >Picture here: >http://mis.historiska.se/mis/sok/fid.asp?fid=117780 > >My source (in swedish): >http://histvarld.historiska.se/histvarld/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2335 > >If you want more info, either contact me, or ask the >forum directly (scroll down the main forum page for >the English forum). > >Hope this can be of use to some of you. > >/Lena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 15:28:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19KSOCM005117 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:28:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19KRUww016229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:28:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19KR0EI027348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:27:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19KQu9I086101; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:26:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.95]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19KQpKC085943 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:26:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:26:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 12:26:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:26:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:26:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:26:50 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2007 20:26:45.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E09BCD0:01C74C88] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Toddler Bonnet/Coif construction? 1600-1640 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1407be83-9c0a-4bb4-95b6-00d92e01aab4 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CCD932.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:28:19 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Anyone have specific sources on the construction of Toddler bonnet's/coifs during this period? Not having any back views I was just going to follow these apparent constructions from 18th/19th century vintage garments. Items 6212 and 1855 on this page: http://www.vintagetextile.com/early.htm Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 9 16:06:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19L62l4006209 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:06:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l19L519P013968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:05:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l19L3omF032710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:03:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19L3dqD021777; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:03:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.109.6]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l19L3Y5D021691 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:03:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from marthakelly@nyc.rr.com) Received: from Martha (cpe-74-65-213-40.nyc.res.rr.com [74.65.213.40]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-nyc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l19L3VfZ012806 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:03:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Martha Kelly" To: Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:03:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <200702082114.l18LDvp5050693@net.indra.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity and ease X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a733fe3-3142-441d-877e-39f93c429d90 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45CCE1FD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:05:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Simplicity has an article on their web site explaining their version of "ease." http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=section/classroom/sewingLessons/sew ing101part2.cfm If that link doesn't work, try Simplicity.com (http://www.simplicity.com/) and go to "Sewing 101 - Part 2." Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 11 09:13:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BED6Hd013020 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:13:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1BECDZR004579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:13:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1BEBPn2042717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BEBKeH080705; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:11:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BEBGNd080591 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:11:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Migrationbird@aol.com) Received: from Migrationbird@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cb3.ae75dca (58808) for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:11:04 -0500 (EST) From: Migrationbird@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:11:02 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: bonnet / coif X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b999ef76-fa82-4753-b818-dd93b51a330c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CF243D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:13:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/10/07 7:02:14 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:26:50 -0700 > From: "Saragrace Knauf" > Subject: [h-cost] Toddler Bonnet/Coif construction? 1600-1640 > To: "h-costume" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Anyone have specific sources on the construction of Toddler bonnet's/coifs > during this period? Not having any back views I was just going to follow > these apparent constructions from 18th/19th century vintage garments. > > Items 6212 and 1855 on this page: http://www.vintagetextile.com/early.htm > > Sara did you see the 1680s bonnet on this site under Gallery early. Regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 11 09:34:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BEY5bF013353 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:34:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1BEXCQw015208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:34:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1BEWpND045379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:32:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BEWocw097565; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:32:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.43]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1BEWj8u097432 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 07:32:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 28048 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2007 14:32:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HTjAqCqKYMmfbRuIB0DLQV/63CAcW6lOhbXfi/LiHP/v6amehDYNsG9O1Q40clte7qiscdu1rurbDIRY0APCXUciB9cZoI0nzNA+PGVitktdGUSG67O+0vOx8/mrdCQRX5YZK+1KQOZP5Q+D6QabB0MNUsXDMZ1+ee66AnXOCEU=; X-YMail-OSG: 1T5EJhUVM1mTaib0Waek7YpqGSf5yhKso_1csIQofW4COnIFSNmgfsOTWtgLgqK5fA-- Received: from [87.244.68.238] by web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:32:39 GMT Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:32:39 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: [h-cost] Re: bonnet / coif query To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <610644.26887.qm@web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f25fcfe-e74f-43d6-b651-4fb7eac97ddb X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45CF2928.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:34:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Saragrace, in the Mary Rose Trust's Volume 3 Report on the archaelogy of the salvaged Tudor wreck, "Before The Mast - Life & Death Aboard The Mary Rose", there is a picture of the salvaged Barber-Surgeon's velvet bonnet/coif, together with an accurate sketch of it as recovered and as conserved & reconstructed. The "Mary Rose" foundered in July of 1545, and so predates the bonnet mentioned by Joy in an earlier post by nearly a century. The illustrations are so clear, I think you'll find the construction method used to be very helpful. If you e-mail me off-List, I'll scan-in the pages from my own copy of "Before The Mast" and download them to you a jpg files. YIS, Matthew, isolated by sea from the SCA mainstream, in the island of "Old Jersey" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 11 11:12:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BGCsZO015354 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:12:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1BGC6DV009403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:12:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1BGBWqC058805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:11:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BGBSWf071859; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:11:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from centrmmtao03.cox.net (centrmmtao03.cox.net [70.168.83.81]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BGBNO3071689 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:11:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070211161116.BIPF13993.centrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:11:16 -0500 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.140]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id NGBC1W01732JwDy0000000; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:11:16 -0500 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <610644.26887.qm@web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: bonnet / coif query Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:11:11 -0500 Message-ID: <003f01c74df7$3f012910$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <610644.26887.qm@web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcdN6nHIjUOc4o78QxSzYWPwEU+w7QADK9Sw X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 637987c6-b0a5-4ff3-9c00-eb2a2384d221 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CF4056.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:12:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Any chance I could get them too? Anne (back to lurking) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of julian wilson Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 9:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Re: bonnet / coif query Saragrace, in the Mary Rose Trust's Volume 3 Report on the archaelogy of the salvaged Tudor wreck, "Before The Mast - Life & Death Aboard The Mary Rose", there is a picture of the salvaged Barber-Surgeon's velvet bonnet/coif, together with an accurate sketch of it as recovered and as conserved & reconstructed. The "Mary Rose" foundered in July of 1545, and so predates the bonnet mentioned by Joy in an earlier post by nearly a century. The illustrations are so clear, I think you'll find the construction method used to be very helpful. If you e-mail me off-List, I'll scan-in the pages from my own copy of "Before The Mast" and download them to you a jpg files. YIS, Matthew, isolated by sea from the SCA mainstream, in the island of "Old Jersey" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.33/678 - Release Date: 2/9/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.33/678 - Release Date: 2/9/2007 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 11 11:17:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BGHvcZ015449 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:17:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1BGH3jJ032320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:17:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1BGGWc8059420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:16:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BGGVFv075532; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:16:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.165]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BGGRhZ075425 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:16:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.20]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:16:22 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:16:21 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 24.222.144.232 by BAY135-DAV10.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:16:19 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.222.144.232] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <610644.26887.qm@web23103.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <003f01c74df7$3f012910$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: bonnet / coif query Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:16:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Feb 2007 16:16:21.0610 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7FC0CA0:01C74DF7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54c5fce4-ba93-44a4-b845-8cdab9cdb288 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CF4180.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:17:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Matthew Could I have a copy as well? estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com Thank you so much! Kelly > Any chance I could get them too? > > Anne (back to lurking) > >> If you e-mail me off-List, I'll scan-in the pages from my own copy of > "Before The Mast" and download them to you a jpg files. > YIS, > Matthew, > isolated by sea from the SCA mainstream, in the island of "Old Jersey" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 11 17:56:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BMtvgK025146 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:56:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1BMt45h025735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:55:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1BMs51Z022015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:54:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BMrwTA099378; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:53:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.248]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1BMrsJ8099245 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:53:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 51001 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Feb 2007 22:53:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HgU5pK5LrtJpXrgIVZ3LKV4MmlvbOdrG+UrZWi93uV8xE918L507KlMEObeIcqF1AUmEud18aGO1N3/tPw9Q2QMJhJOKGm265PaA5lzCNRMOpKvu9QpPIiLVrFe/KPoS7b6VSArftpRsZ/za3IGKb5leyFmpflYwHesRpWBRJ2E=; X-YMail-OSG: t4HOhzEVM1m3Wq2TecMWIxOYYjiKJf5DY28ZYB7BncGimuhdJkcnijXCC_ONOSv0P94oljWBEn2HQqaTgQCWy0fr1WB3XTTW8q016cG94lRSsZ6XvDL1K5qXM9W3DTG1IoI92NdOBuHFayGneOhu.UGI.0MHzvlOc1vc_Os3iYhVtCM2gJVmRfIjBgcU Received: from [76.173.41.150] by web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:53:49 PST Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:53:49 -0800 (PST) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <537105.48563.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tiny URL X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35de861f-f930-4b26-b6d8-920979783809 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45CF9EC8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:55:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO We're getting a lot of broken/breaking URLs lately, and many people find this confusing--especially if they don't realize why the broken address doesn't work. One can copy/paste the address in parts, sure, but tiny URLs are so much easier. Windows directions: On any website, highlight the address and press Ctrl+C to copy. Go to tinyurl.com and press Ctrl+V to paste it in the box. Press Enter or click the button. That creates an abbreviated URL and puts in your Windows Clipboard. Go back to your outgoing mail message and press Ctrl+V to paste it in. It's always good to supply the original URL too, of course, since people like to know where they're being sent. Just thought I'd pass that on. MaggiRos --- Martha Kelly wrote: > Simplicity has an article on their web site > explaining their version of > "ease." > http://www.simplicity.com/index.cfm?page=section/classroom/sewingLessons/sew > ing101part2.cfm > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 11 18:27:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BNRWiV025678 for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:27:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1BNQd5R027877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:27:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1BNQCNI026743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:26:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BNQBEB022509; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:26:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (mail9.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.104]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1BNQ6PR022442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:26:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-220-108-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.220.108]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1BNQ3qC008421 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:26:04 +1100 Message-ID: <003b01c74e33$fe443510$6cdcf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <537105.48563.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tiny URL Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:26:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce231b6a-f697-4ece-997c-0720275684f4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45CFA62F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:27:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO These are the web addresses you need to cut down your URL, they both do much the same job but tiny url claims their links will never expire. http://snipurl.com/ http://tinyurl.com/ an example of how you would apply this, This is my latest dress diary http://tinyurl.com/yns7ev (the full URL http://au.geocities.com/costumersanonymous/1850sballgown/1855Ballgown.html ) by telling people the full URL they know you're not directing them to a site that will get them into trouble if they click on it at work or if they click on it with small children in the room but they don't have to copy and paste the link back together. If you want to be really safe tinyurl offers a preview function that will tell you exactly where the url redirects to if you put 'preview.' (without the quotation marks) just before tinyurl.com you get to a page like this http://preview.tinyurl.com/yns7ev Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 10:46:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CFkgrK007340 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:46:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1CFjk87018835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:46:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1CFifGO070033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:44:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CFiQxP087069; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:44:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CFhmrV086320 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:43:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bef.df34e07 (48368) for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-MB03 (webmail-mb03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.151]) by ciaaol-r01.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR016-bcf045d08b2a1b5; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:43:38 -0500 References: <200702081858.l18IvroM094084@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:43:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200702081858.l18IvroM094084@net.indra.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Received: from 68.143.196.38 by WEBMAIL-MB03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.151) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:43:38 -0500 Message-Id: <8C91CD3B2BBAE79-1D14-58CD@WEBMAIL-MB03.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.151 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: historic academic & professional robes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cce03a1-b481-44b4-967b-365113d84097 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D08BAA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:46:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Matthew, Have you seen Holbein's "Dance of Death" woodcuts? They're small, but there are several men wearing the style of robes you describe. Here's a link to the online version: http://www.godecookery.com/macabre/holdod/holdod.htm Look at the Judge, the Advocate, the Physician, etc. The pictures are much clearer in the book I have; the originals are pretty small, I think, which is why they're so fuzzy online. Does anybody have any other books of Holbein woodcuts? I always hear that he was so famous for his woodcuts in his lifetime, but I can't seem to get my hands on any of them besides "The Dance of Death." Hope this helps, Tea Rose ============================================== Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:08:52 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: [h-cost] historic academic robes - robes for 15th/16th C. Barber Surgeons, Chirugeons, & Notaries REQUEST FOR HELP, PLEASE Gentles of the Historical Costume List, can any Listers direct me to clear contemporary illustrations of the over-robes worn for "normal day wear" by late-medieval professionals such as Barber-Surgeons, Chirugeons, and Notaries? YIS, Matthew Baker, isolated from the SCA mainstream in "old" Jersey. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 16:27:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1CLRR4d013966 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:27:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1CLQYsv005673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:27:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1CLPlpo042683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CLPNOp042203; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:25:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web50215.mail.yahoo.com (web50215.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.201]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1CLOtM9040641 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from LizzieM@rocketmail.com) Received: (qmail 66546 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Feb 2007 21:24:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NhBkJn10xFG79ILOcdWADc/wKh7G1JnphAeinBsIx/x0PwIiMxDlRfRYUFbZ6vYqBNBCkeiyh0b+upugpf0Mos6X/5UQY556Y+Wa5/MPCTHkVp8+v/5IPJLfGhIMxBCzdGsu+DmylibdurcLFd4kO140gGnW8zuWJf0mLZkjBcM=; X-YMail-OSG: rExtsogVM1lbc5.fRlmlS.E7Ge9ZlxfdhicPwcM656yb6BPQTxSCRgacMjfobVf3vb70utG5BuAlSpoF.eA54Qg_4BkSFg_YgKufm6u0UHKKKmcQrSpZEw-- Received: from [128.148.43.62] by web50215.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:24:47 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: Leslie Mundy To: Historic-Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <826704.66000.qm@web50215.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Plastic fabric conundrum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba553711-d34c-4ea9-86fc-165de071b01d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D0DB8A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 16:33:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1CLXLLP014113 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:33:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1CLIYHs029392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:19:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1CLHjcW041309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:17:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CLHS9B015072; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:17:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CIVZoF088152 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:31:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so2076917wxc for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:31:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QAdDt+MR6cnscEjoTLt8EkHMG6dhEqIyJfYKhX4046L3kTvbw4vusvOHZ1ehYpEQPJoVqb2SIDQXpH3cczAKtBYRoZeeMRPDnCIJaGVHf11IYc4vBI0OlimRVtUMPxtAHLJtQ9ZD1kR82ftOWjdBGhbX2LorjltewfMsJwVaSMI= Received: by 10.90.113.18 with SMTP id l18mr17631039agc.1171305094405; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:31:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.196.1 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:31:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:31:34 -0800 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bed027c7-ee3e-4504-8407-ffab35519ab3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D0D9AA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:19:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Gentle costumes, I got a note from a friend about an odd fabric, and, hmmm, I dont have any help to offer at all. I've never seen this strange phenomena before. Perhaps someone on h-cost can make a suggestion? I'll be sure to pass your words along. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Here is a picture of the fabric that's melting on my needle... http://oort.com/goddess/temp/temp.fabric.jpg I bought a nifty fabric that shimmers, intending to make a shower curtain or curtains. It's a background of stretchy thin knit, with 1/2 cm squares of plastic all over it. (If you cut thin slices and pull them, they turn into the interesting "snakes" pictured in the foreground, which might make cute cat toys.) But when I tried to sew a simple hem, the thread kept breaking. Turns out, the plastic is melting on my machine's needle! I tried sewing slower, with bigger stitches, but that didn't help. I can sew about 5' when the machine is cold, before the needle is irrevokably gummed up. I tried sewing slowly, and occationally sewing through linen soaked in acetone to clean the needle, but met with limited success. Besides, I'm afraid I'll damage my new Singer. This puts a kink into plans I had to sew interesting things out of clear shower curtains, too! Does anyone have experience sewing plastic-y things who can give me advice on what to do? Otherwise it looks like hand-sewing is tne only answer! Best wishes, Renee (or Wendy) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 16:49:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1CLnRjg014416 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:49:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1CLmX96024368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:49:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1CLltUt046308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:47:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CLlrkU097335; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:47:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CLlnab097284 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l1CLlmD28569 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:47:48 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum Message-ID: <1171316868.45d0e0847b135@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:47:48 -0600 (CST) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5cf24e2a-8823-42c8-8cf5-df08d78e5b2b X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D0E0B1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:49:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I suspect it's not the plastic melting but the adhesive that holds the squares on. Would it be possible to sew only in the spaces between the squares? Emma Quoting Cin : > Gentle costumes, > I got a note from a friend about an odd fabric, and, hmmm, I dont have > any help to offer at all. I've never seen this strange phenomena > before. Perhaps someone on h-cost can make a suggestion? > I'll be sure to pass your words along. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > Here is a picture of the fabric that's melting on my needle... > http://oort.com/goddess/temp/temp.fabric.jpg > > I bought a nifty fabric that shimmers, intending to make a shower > curtain > or curtains. It's a background of stretchy thin knit, with 1/2 cm > squares > of plastic all over it. (If you cut thin slices and pull them, they > turn > into the interesting "snakes" pictured in the foreground, which might > make > cute cat toys.) But when I tried to sew a simple hem, the thread kept > breaking. Turns out, the plastic is melting on my machine's needle! > > I tried sewing slower, with bigger stitches, but that didn't help. I > can > sew about 5' when the machine is cold, before the needle is > irrevokably > gummed up. I tried sewing slowly, and occationally sewing through > linen > soaked in acetone to clean the needle, but met with limited success. > Besides, I'm afraid I'll damage my new Singer. > > This puts a kink into plans I had to sew interesting things out of > clear > shower curtains, too! Does anyone have experience sewing plastic-y > things > who can give me advice on what to do? Otherwise it looks like > hand-sewing > is tne only answer! > > Best wishes, > Renee (or Wendy) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 17:05:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1CM5kFR014715 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:05:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1CM4rA5026472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:05:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1CLrio2047071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CLrfmE003374; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com [192.25.240.37]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CLrbc9003217 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sunshine_buchler@agilent.com) Received: from relcos1.cos.agilent.com (relcos1.cos.agilent.com [130.29.152.239]) by msgbas2x.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F9A2571 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:29 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com (am.scan.smtp.agilent.com [130.29.153.221]) by relcos1.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B04E1C2583 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:27 -0700 (MST) Received: from wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.126]) by wcosvs01.cos.agilent.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:26 -0700 Received: from wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com ([130.29.152.72]) by wcosbh02.cos.agilent.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:26 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:53:24 -0700 Message-ID: <63D1F08E0E9EAF4185B5AE02D5C0D964024A6878@wcosmb05.cos.agilent.com> In-Reply-To: <200702121912.l1CJCAcN036150@net.indra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum Thread-Index: AcdO2tvl35RP025TTu+oN6nkDyQdgwAFIptw From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Feb 2007 21:53:26.0503 (UTC) FILETIME=[395F8F70:01C74EF0] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l1CLrbc9003217 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d7d30bd-d053-4cbd-af88-532f201ad8f2 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D0E485.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:05:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Here is a picture of the fabric that's melting on my needle... > http://oort.com/goddess/temp/temp.fabric.jpg I've worked with this stuff before - the problem is the glue that sticks the shiny bits onto stretchy fabric. I came up with 2 solutions - neither of which is perfect, but they might help: 1) If you sew a piece of paper (regular printer paper) on top of the seam, the needle will last longer. I think it's because the paper scrapes some of the glue off the needle as it comes back up. After the seam is finished, just tear the paper off. (You'll still go though multiple needles using this method... Just not quite as many) 2) Remove the shiny bits from the fabric along the seam line, before sewing. Good luck! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 17:48:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1CMmDpB015227 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:48:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1CMlKvU014084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:48:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1CMkCFt055848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:46:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CMjrkM055089; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:45:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CMjnDu054946 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:45:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F59DC1AA7 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:45:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45D0EE4B.2060605@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:46:35 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ceff3f24-b591-4404-97c7-f744de1051e5 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D0EE78.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:48:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > http://oort.com/goddess/temp/temp.fabric.jpg > It looks like sequin dot knit. Some of that is truely horrible to sew with, but the good news is it doesn't really need hemmed, it won't unravel with use. If you have to sew on it, the trick is to sew between the rows of plastic bits whenever possible. Also, a thinner needle has less surface area to gunk up, and a new sharp one will puncture instead of pushing the knit down into the machine. Don't use a ball-point knit needle. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 18:11:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1CNBiiD015655 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:11:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1CNAt1O031534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:11:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1CNAKkY058974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:10:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CNAFxt078069; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:10:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CNABnK077908 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:10:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bf8.104d5d30 (14457) for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:10:04 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:10:04 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb4c6f01-75c2-4859-b2ab-653735ed22fe X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D0F400.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:11:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've had good luck with the liquid called, I believe, Sewer's Aide, when stitching the glued-on sequin type fabrics. You put a drop of it on the machine needle and it keeps the gunk from building up. That might help. I do think the idea of gluing the hem is a good one, though, if you can find a really waterproof glue. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 18:44:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1CNiEnv016142 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:44:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1CNhLYS004964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:44:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1CNgbcC063140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:42:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CNgXqs007677; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:42:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1CNgSvZ007510 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:42:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.170] (sjs-130-65-37-170.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.170]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1CNgLmm008178 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:42:22 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:42:19 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 70edf32c-37f9-4217-827f-548dffa724e7 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45D0FB99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:44:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Feb 12, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Cin wrote: > Gentle costumes, > I got a note from a friend about an odd fabric, and, hmmm, I dont have > any help to offer at all. I've never seen this strange phenomena > before. Perhaps someone on h-cost can make a suggestion? > I'll be sure to pass your words along. I destroyed a sewing machine working with this sort of material. (it was a piece of junk to start out) You need the right needle. I'd suggest starting with a "microtex" style sharp needle; even though it's a knit, the surface treatment will prevent runs. I'd also suggest a silicone lubricant to wipe down the needle on a regular basis. Working with this stuff will dull your needle pretty quickly, so expect to replace it regularly. If the sharp needle doesn't work on this fabric, try a "jeans" style sharp needle, or a "leather" chisel-point needle. Those should also work for clear vinyl shower curtain plastic... -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 20:00:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1D10AYb017268 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:00:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1D0xLhe005698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:00:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1D0wSwn072552 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:58:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D0wMsU071059; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:58:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D0wIOr071011 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:58:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB7697103CC; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 00:51:02 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:58:18 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01c74f0a$0d17a870$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:00:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've used Aleene's "Jewel-It" fabric glue to set plastic gems on my daughter's socks. Lasted for YEARS, through multiple washings, and got passed on to another little girl. So, any of her washable types should work really well. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:32 AM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum Gentle costumes, I got a note from a friend about an odd fabric, and, hmmm, I dont have any help to offer at all. I've never seen this strange phenomena before. Perhaps someone on h-cost can make a suggestion? I'll be sure to pass your words along. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Here is a picture of the fabric that's melting on my needle... http://oort.com/goddess/temp/temp.fabric.jpg I bought a nifty fabric that shimmers, intending to make a shower curtain or curtains. It's a background of stretchy thin knit, with 1/2 cm squares of plastic all over it. (If you cut thin slices and pull them, they turn into the interesting "snakes" pictured in the foreground, which might make cute cat toys.) But when I tried to sew a simple hem, the thread kept breaking. Turns out, the plastic is melting on my machine's needle! I tried sewing slower, with bigger stitches, but that didn't help. I can sew about 5' when the machine is cold, before the needle is irrevokably gummed up. I tried sewing slowly, and occationally sewing through linen soaked in acetone to clean the needle, but met with limited success. Besides, I'm afraid I'll damage my new Singer. This puts a kink into plans I had to sew interesting things out of clear shower curtains, too! Does anyone have experience sewing plastic-y things who can give me advice on what to do? Otherwise it looks like hand-sewing is tne only answer! Best wishes, Renee (or Wendy) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 20:08:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1D18Hn9017373 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:08:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1D17Tij017242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:08:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1D16uck073430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:06:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D16rj5078086; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.96]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D16oe9077965 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:06:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.109]) by bay0-omc1-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:06:45 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:06:45 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.138.123 by by133fd.bay133.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:06:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com In-Reply-To: From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: 1680 Bonnet? Att Migration Bird [h-cost] Re: bonnet / coif Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:06:42 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2007 01:06:45.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AD487F0:01C74F0B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0b04473-3891-4d68-8b9b-2a159ff4d258 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D10F51.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:08:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi , Iam not seeing the item you refer to. Can you be more specific? They have item numbers. Thanx, Sg >From: Migrationbird@aol.com >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Re: bonnet / coif >Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 09:11:02 EST > >In a message dated 2/10/07 7:02:14 PM GMT Standard Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > > > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 13:26:50 -0700 > > From: "Saragrace Knauf" > > Subject: [h-cost] Toddler Bonnet/Coif construction? 1600-1640 > > To: "h-costume" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Anyone have specific sources on the construction of Toddler >bonnet's/coifs > > during this period? Not having any back views I was just going to >follow > > these apparent constructions from 18th/19th century vintage garments. > > > > Items 6212 and 1855 on this page: >http://www.vintagetextile.com/early.htm > > > > >Sara did you see the 1680s bonnet on this site under Gallery early. >Regards >Joy >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 20:19:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1D1Je3U017546 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:19:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1D1IpST021611 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:19:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1D1D3C7074152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:13:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D1D1iw082979; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:13:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from levanto.mail.adnap.net.au (levanto.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.83]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D1Ctbo082828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:12:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 202-136-103-115.ip.adam.com.au ([202.136.103.115] helo=GilgameshII) by levanto.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HGmDw-000Ge9-Hh for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:42:48 +1030 Message-ID: <001901c74f0c$0f30b280$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200702121913.l1CJCAcO036150@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:42:41 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d72004ed-7d49-4942-9758-4e3854fb796b X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D111FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:19:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sounds like it's principally a problem with friction, and if sewing as slowly as possible doesn't help then unfortunately it probably means the machine is just too fast at any speed. Is it possible to get more slippery needles? Stainless steel or chrome plated perhaps (I don't do much machine sewing)? Or to oil the needle? You'd probably have to stop frequently and reapply more oil as you went. Acetone is probably not helping as it may be eating into the needle a bit, making the surface of the metal rougher. You should try brand new needles, with as small a diameter as possible (ie fine ordinary needles, not ballpoint/stretch needles). Another suggestion is to make the fabric as taut as possible while sewing (eg put it in an embroidery hoop) as this will reduce the contact time between needle and fabric and may lessen the friction. Claire > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:31:34 -0800 > From: Cin > Subject: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum > To: h-cost > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Gentle costumes, > I got a note from a friend about an odd fabric, and, hmmm, I dont have > any help to offer at all. I've never seen this strange phenomena > before. Perhaps someone on h-cost can make a suggestion? > I'll be sure to pass your words along. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > > Here is a picture of the fabric that's melting on my needle... > http://oort.com/goddess/temp/temp.fabric.jpg > > I bought a nifty fabric that shimmers, intending to make a shower curtain > or curtains. It's a background of stretchy thin knit, with 1/2 cm squares > of plastic all over it. (If you cut thin slices and pull them, they turn > into the interesting "snakes" pictured in the foreground, which might make > cute cat toys.) But when I tried to sew a simple hem, the thread kept > breaking. Turns out, the plastic is melting on my machine's needle! > > I tried sewing slower, with bigger stitches, but that didn't help. I can > sew about 5' when the machine is cold, before the needle is irrevokably > gummed up. I tried sewing slowly, and occationally sewing through linen > soaked in acetone to clean the needle, but met with limited success. > Besides, I'm afraid I'll damage my new Singer. > > This puts a kink into plans I had to sew interesting things out of clear > shower curtains, too! Does anyone have experience sewing plastic-y things > who can give me advice on what to do? Otherwise it looks like hand-sewing > is tne only answer! > > Best wishes, > Renee (or Wendy) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > End of h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 76 > **************************************** > > __________ NOD32 2056 (20070212) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 20:42:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1D1gdCC017869 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:42:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1D1fk5R027184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:42:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1D1fAZ1076994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:41:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D1f8ad004050; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:41:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D1f30u003983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:41:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l1D1mHZs004399 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:48:17 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: 1680 Bonnet? Att Migration Bird [h-cost] Re: bonnet / coif Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:49:32 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200702122049.32984.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bb8eaa7-33c5-4bc7-963c-14f5e78c7256 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D1175A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:42:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Monday 12 February 2007 8:06 pm, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Hi , Iam not seeing the item you refer to. Can you be more specific? They > have item numbers. And she gave them: 6212 and 1855; they're one after the other, about three-quarters of the way down the page. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 20:48:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1D1mdaY018062 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:48:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1D1ljMT026628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:48:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1D1lG95077589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:47:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D1lFHB008436; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:47:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51311.mail.yahoo.com (web51311.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.118]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1D1lCdE008316 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:47:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 84287 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2007 01:41:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=o/zFc2BHNBRu6cKLiN1ftoqtAuMbBAqJ6mdogFURxYbjAxJZMmUplUhGa1dNVUIgNr3wXik3hMOzS6xIQl5JHt59bsBjO1fPNdwc/ieVRpmSXmB8S0aQWJSKJ6ww6ek8M1t883nsTXNw91ovdZc8VPmBcAuPywYhqJMfB7Bm120=; X-YMail-OSG: BT3npooVM1kh_8s8OZviOqVRREBQyRPltXYdbpTwJMELlWsXxL2hJmGoFPNu8fN3SW5GaWtSEGD7ateVVVwwTFyQ9ZtziP2B1H2pdD2.4YGvWin5HYys8eGtg35dYcC72cF.Bndnf0wfMQU- Received: from [69.182.180.40] by web51311.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:41:49 PST Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ann Catelli Subject: Re: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001901c74f0c$0f30b280$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <441949.79407.qm@web51311.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa0ac963-06e2-496d-82c9-922ae7b4b9d3 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45D118C1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:48:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO --- Claire Clarke wrote: > Acetone is probably not helping as it may be eating > into the needle a bit, making the surface of the > metal rougher. Acetone is probably NOT 'Eating' the needle At All, as acetone in neutral in pH and not reactive to metal sewing machine needles. If the sewing machine needle is coated with any polymeric or organic material, acetone will help to remove it. Which is why acetone will help (briefly) by removing the nasty glue from the sequined fabric which coats the needle. The longest c.24 yards of straight stitching I've ever done were of this material, cleaning the needle off (once I discovered the problem by the thread's repeated breaking) approximately every 16mm. XP Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 21:48:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1D2mIjZ018720 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:48:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1D2lO43025007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:48:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1D2ka11084882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:46:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D2kULJ052796; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:46:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D2kPr4052718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:46:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-218-31-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.218.31]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1D2kNID021159 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:46:24 +1100 Message-ID: <004601c74f19$2699aa50$1fdaf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: 1680 Bonnet? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:48:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: 1680 Bonnet? Att Migration Bird [h-cost] Re: bonnet / coif > Hi , Iam not seeing the item you refer to. Can you be more specific? > They have item numbers. > > Thanx, > Sg > I think the one Joy was referring to is the third row down right hand column on this page http://www.vintagetextile.com/gallery_early.htm Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 12 23:39:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1D4dk56020501 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:39:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1D4cvPZ007080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:39:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1D4c5eW097951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:38:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D4bvMu030106; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:37:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1D4br4x030056 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:37:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=XuBtmGg4P6Els90P0y0zFM2Nv2XZN1gUMODOnXeEf6hmP9+WY6ySK6oYXF6VaF/o; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.235] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HGpQM-0001R0-JF for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:37:50 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070212223101.027c51b0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:37:09 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200702121912.l1CJCAcM036150@net.indra.com> References: <200702121912.l1CJCAcM036150@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5315733533d2979958a006ea748c314892d829a220c72ff4be350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.235 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Odd fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: add527a0-067b-4204-9d4a-f67eb7923229 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D140E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:39:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've sewed this stuff and had no problems. I suspect that it's not really "melting", it's the glue from the squares getting onto the needle. The little mylar squares are glued/fused to the knit. The fabric I had didn't have this problem - I suspect she got a defective or otherwise bad chunk of fabric. Yes, the glue can get on the needle, but it shouldn't come off that badly. If it's just to hem it for a shower curtain, I'd suggest glue. And ditch the rest of the fabric, chances are if you made a garment out of it, (besides the hassle of sewing it) the little glitzy squares would start falling off the first time you wore it. And PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T make cat toys out of it - the squares would come off and the cat would swallow them - BAD! BAD! HTH, Sandy At 01:12 PM 2/12/2007, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:31:34 -0800 >From: Cin >Subject: [h-cost] plastic fabric conundrum > >Gentle costumes, >I got a note from a friend about an odd fabric... >I'll be sure to pass your words along. >--cin >Cynthia Barnes >CinBarnes@gmail.com > >Here is a picture of the fabric that's melting on my needle... >http://oort.com/goddess/temp/temp.fabric.jpg > >I bought a nifty fabric that shimmers, intending to make a shower curtain >or curtains. It's a background of stretchy thin knit, with 1/2 cm squares >of plastic all over it. (If you cut thin slices and pull them, they turn >into the interesting "snakes" pictured in the foreground, which might make >cute cat toys.) But when I tried to sew a simple hem, the thread kept >breaking. Turns out, the plastic is melting on my machine's needle! > >I tried sewing slower, with bigger stitches, but that didn't help. I can >sew about 5' when the machine is cold, before the needle is irrevokably >gummed up. I tried sewing slowly, and occationally sewing through linen >soaked in acetone to clean the needle, but met with limited success. >Besides, I'm afraid I'll damage my new Singer. > >Best wishes, >Renee (or Wendy) "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 13 08:35:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1DDZXAe024904 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:35:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1DDYdTB025161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:35:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1DDXQaw055551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:33:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1DDXGRe006477; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xsmtp03.mail2web.com (xsmtp03.mail2web.com [168.144.250.223]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1DDXD1H006380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@cappuccino.faucet.net) Received: from [168.144.108.38] (helo=M2W038.mail2web.com) by xsmtp03.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HGxmI-0002lz-E4 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:33:08 -0500 Message-ID: <380-22007221313332378@M2W038.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 4.229.123.212 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "melanie@mail.faucet.net" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:33:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l1DDXD1H006380 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Janet Arnold article X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92c58f10-1d2f-4c4c-b5cc-adec1ae5a231 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D1BE6F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:35:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Apologies to everyone else for the bandwidth, but would Michelle M., Anne M., Elena House, and Beth Matney please contact me privately? These are folks who were interested in the Janet Arnold article that I have. My computer melted down a couple of weeks ago, and I have lost your addresses. 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(jr0218@sbcglobal.net@71.139.160.142 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2007 19:10:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FzjsJNgVM1mWDZYf_e6KUeybfDpNJrApaqB2erZ7Wc9s1jGCNQO2dJx1NPE4.glvdi6uEL7_HFRHiZ0YFHTwpdxT_j0KucTzZn.ljs3WgJet6g.4d17ezs6syH.IbxOx3UV38GWcUqbJVg8- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: "Lawrence Kincaid Jr." Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:10:53 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [h-cost] silk filament thread X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8817f33a-14dd-4b4f-b132-781475a37132 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D20DCC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:14:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I have just returned to the list after 7 years or so. Does any body know where I can buy silk filament thread. I am tailoring a suit and prefer using silk thread for it's ability to sink into the fabric for a flat seam. I have searched around the SF Bay Area and on the net but can't find any except one web site that wanted $144. for about a dozen mixed colors. What I need is silk filament thread in white, black, ecru, and maybe maroon. The thread diameter same as typical polyester thread. I have a yellowed old Chronicle article by Sandra Betzina Webster (POWER SEWING)where she praises the superiority of silk filament over the ordinary silk twist like Guttermann. It's a long article giving lots of info, but she makes it seem like it is very common and easily found. Any ideas? T hanks Larry Kincaid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 13 14:35:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1DJZ36K001239 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:35:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1DJYEOK016543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:34:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1DJXXCI017463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1DJXMTR012956; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:33:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1DJX1nV012590 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:33:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id q29so133366nfc for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:33:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YbFt07JvgZJDxqSzl3oKY3Q/6MUY0UdGoZXnQx+QpBac5EcFxFHRvD0OZ4dpT/HBVj3f7aGOynY9iuai+UDVoFyUvDYuGqgTiD5Fq5+g+QKZ2ydIIgfqEmTyuDYzMpImS924WvaqGg0AkbCh0MeA75GegFydywdsG+p6C5QTnN0= Received: by 10.82.114.3 with SMTP id m3mr10694816buc.1171395181016; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.178.5 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:32:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660702131132r33d06d6dm30e98682fa0ac0f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:32:55 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk filament thread In-Reply-To: <72adc2660702131130t7834fdbcte01e01b77f79d7c2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660702131130t7834fdbcte01e01b77f79d7c2@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3d8d6b6-c5e4-47fa-8dae-cc0abe649d41 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D212B6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:34:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO D'oh! And then there are the days you just wish you had read the entire post before looking like an idiot. Try the YLI. Mari _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 13 15:05:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1DK5kVG001868 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:05:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1DK4kP4016155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:05:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1DK37k3022098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:03:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1DK31M4000120; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:03:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1DK2tfS099866 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:02:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEEAC1D2D for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:01:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45D21962.3080106@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:02:42 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk filament thread References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cc0832e-c2d7-4f18-935f-7eac6aadff01 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45D219DE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:05:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Lawrence Kincaid Jr. wrote: > > > What I need is silk filament thread in white, > black, ecru, and maybe maroon. The thread diameter same as typical > polyester thread. Is this the sort of thing you're looking for? "Silk 100 Plus YRN 950-100 $4.85 * 100 silk weight * Colors=Natural and black * 200 meter spool * 2 ply tight Z twist * 100% filament silk thread * Label Color: white This Silk 100 Plus thread was originally engineered by the Japanese as a machine embroidery thread. However, we have also discovered it to This is the best, all purpose silk thread we have ever encountered. This astonishingly strong, thin 2 ply filament silk is not only a gorgeous machine embroidery thread but is stronger than much thicker sewing machine threads.And it does perform well on all types of fabrics. " http://www.silkthings.com/catalog.php?cat=001 Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 13 17:31:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1DMVJWa005463 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:31:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1DMUPYr022770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:31:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1DMT15K045864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:29:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1DMSj2h005979; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:28:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1DJUm92010155 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:30:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so29640ugc for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:30:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QCm8ZkCxsDwdhn90raJjSOSnaM5mrN4HK2I1c2vY7GT803ntorwEekj4yXsQh2BdZP91trsZxyt64fw8YgkM0AmXRRL1YnsYI83cO22tQrcQFHxK+4sl56SusQzzJfBgCg+hanDUvqqViI1biQSU0J1JenvcENGjX2pejB76OjQ= Received: by 10.82.177.3 with SMTP id z3mr15502179bue.1171395047776; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.178.5 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:30:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660702131130t7834fdbcte01e01b77f79d7c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:30:47 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk filament thread In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89403997-8c9a-4d33-a7b7-618f992ca324 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D23C01.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:31:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi there... ok. I have seen silk thread that is reeled, thrown, and plied. And all has been described as silk filament. So I am *guessing* you mean a thread, with twist but not plied. First thoughts are be for Gutermann silk thread. They have a 30wt. Red Rock Threads carries it, as well as some of the better fabric stores. YLI also has a collection of 50wt and 100wt silk threads. The 50wt is one of my favorites to work with. Again, Red Rock Threads or LaceMakerUSA. Mari On 2/13/07, Lawrence Kincaid Jr. wrote: > > I have just returned to the list after 7 years or so. > Does any body know where I can buy silk filament thread. I am > tailoring a suit and prefer using silk thread for it's ability to > sink into the fabric for a flat seam. > I have searched around the SF Bay Area and on the net > but can't find any except one web site that wanted $144. for about a > dozen mixed colors. > What I need is silk filament thread in white, > black, ecru, and maybe maroon. The thread diameter same as typical > polyester thread. > I have a yellowed old Chronicle > article by Sandra Betzina Webster (POWER SEWING)where she praises the > superiority of silk filament over the ordinary silk twist like > Guttermann. It's a long article giving lots of info, but she makes it > seem like it is very common and easily found. > Any ideas? > T > hanks Larry Kincaid > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 14 00:14:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1E5Dxna012798 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:14:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1E5D9Cs018987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:13:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1E5CC23097265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:12:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1E5C58N031836; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:12:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1E5Bxtw031780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:12:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1E5Bva0022426; Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:11:58 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "SCA-GARB" , "H-Costume" Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:15:05 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Last 6 Stepping Through Time X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b10b16c1-a641-4ee6-8e80-8cb5943240d0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D29A65.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:13:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Ian Stevens - DBBC [ian.stevens@dbbcdist.com] of David Brown book company says they have the last 6 of the book titled: Stepping Through Time; Archeological footwear from prehistoric times until 1800 by Olaf Goubitz. They are priced at $100. Amazon has them used and new from $167. Lots of shoe patterns, and where they came from by an expert in the field. He does not expect them to be re-published. 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Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 15 09:22:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1FEMKce007260 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:22:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1FELQwY011884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:22:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1FEJmQc078261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:19:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1FEJfD5020915; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:19:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51710.mail.yahoo.com (web51710.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.228]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1FEJeUv020852 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:19:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from delasue@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71967 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Feb 2007 14:19:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tSNuPb4BC4JyFKMGIYE+jGMWiFrJu/+UT0xHzPqUwwLEnFCxS4vbBlZ9l3Jvku4+FvddD8Z+6x9yu3CTIfMFknDEXAof5Ya31xf/9caJJWSRDih2LcRZuPNlbxZedZP+ML4hCaSvdRWDd2T651fT9Fy9EXJpSgyN93LerD7UxDE=; X-YMail-OSG: inB_m8gVM1kO0_otc8Gl9hnNJwp3Is__nqWQVPg6o1_WVdabuOR2a2cFLhA94OwX5w-- Received: from [68.227.201.252] by web51710.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:19:33 PST Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:19:33 -0800 (PST) From: Kay Shelton To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200701050344.l053iSij091008@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <136801.71953.qm@web51710.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book in Guttenberg Project X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76a515bf-d0b0-46a2-b26d-750ebd9e784e X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D46C66.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:22:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The group may be interested in this book: Creator Lacroix, Paul Title Manners, Custom and Dress During the Middle Ages and During the Renaissance Period Language English EText-No. 10940 Release Date 2004-02-01 Copyright Status Not copyrighted in the United States. If you live elsewhere check the laws of your country before downloading this ebook. http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/10940 Enjoy! Kay ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:16:56 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Speaking of Traveling ... I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any specific recommendations?) susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 15 19:38:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1G0cu0H017241 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:38:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1G0c2as016240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:38:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1G0bUMT079189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:37:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G0bSXL022226; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:37:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G0bOve022111 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:37:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cff.9a78ea8 (43931) for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:37:14 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:37:14 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b11cba5f-b9ea-44b5-a280-8fb6382729bc X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D4FCEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:38:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/15/2007 7:15:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sfarmer@goldsword.com writes: I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any specific recommendations?) If you have any interest that way, American Girl Place. I enjoyed watching the people there as much as anything. Saw a group with 2 or 3 girls and their dolls all in matching dresses obviously homemade from a 1960s floral print, for example. Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 15 21:01:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1G21bGu018874 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:01:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1G20hH4016373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:01:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1G1xgKW088452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:59:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G1xd44077479; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:59:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G1xZvn077371 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:59:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.170] (sjs-130-65-37-170.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.170]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1G1xSmm005632 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:59:29 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070215191420.aw80l5ue9tx1c8oc@www.goldsword.com> References: <20070215191420.aw80l5ue9tx1c8oc@www.goldsword.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <787CA5E3-6DF2-4FAC-95CD-E45311783A85@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:59:26 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b665f1b7-55b8-4f25-b84f-996c984c6421 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D5104B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:01:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Feb 15, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: > I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) > > What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any > specific recommendations?) I've been out of the midwest for quite a few years, but... Vogue fabrics in Evanston is pretty cool. The Aurora Bleachery in Aurora used to have a fabulous remnant shop. Cotton and poly-cotton solids sold by the pound. -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen http://www.bovil.com/ "It's not pink; it's peach-colored. Pink is tacky." --Manfred Pfirsich Marie Rommel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 15 21:17:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1G2HK2l019146 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:17:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1G2GQtw029498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:17:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1G2Fk1V090605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:15:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G2FhsO087925; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:15:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1G2FdKi087792 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:15:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail37.nyc.untd.com (webmail37.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.177]) by smtpout03.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABC7LE78AWSFU5J for (sender ); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:15:26 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn75M/scE8QEAi+IbyZuNYCYYK5/fjzyzKxQ== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail37.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MENUCR9A; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:14:58 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail37.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:14:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 02:14:12 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070215.181458.757.934636@webmail37.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1078888960 X-MAIL-INFO: 33355465b440995454541df4edd129a950c9dd0049f1005124c9d0f019b02dd085b4c9f935a4b1d49d40d1b454d41d414011d50d3d0d8184298184cd9584cd40112138b5e98504380115e185800159b97401600571d561d5f510cd0984d595 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.177|webmail37.nyc.untd.com|webmail37.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c1bbea38-b77c-4f14-adfd-26da6664b0a3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D513FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:17:15 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I second the recommendation for Vogue Fabrics in Evanston. It's probably= one of the best fabric stores in the country. I also recommend that you consider visiting Bristol RenFaire which will = be opening the weekend of July 7&8. = Karen Seamstrix -- "Susan B. Farmer" wrote: Speaking of Traveling ... I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any specific = = recommendations?) susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 15 21:34:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1G2Ybi6019385 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:34:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1G2Xdt1008210 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:34:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1G2X86K092753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:33:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G2X6vt099170; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:33:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G2X0J1099113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:33:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HHsuG-0004vb-II; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:33:04 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:33:04 -0500 Message-ID: <20070215213304.kix9mbnjn8w04gco@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:33:04 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations References: <20070215191420.aw80l5ue9tx1c8oc@www.goldsword.com> <787CA5E3-6DF2-4FAC-95CD-E45311783A85@bovil.com> In-Reply-To: <787CA5E3-6DF2-4FAC-95CD-E45311783A85@bovil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8638fc3b-892e-42e5-b664-67c3a4eef70d X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45D51803.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:34:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Andrew T Trembley : > On Feb 15, 2007, at 4:14 PM, Susan B. Farmer wrote: >> I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) >> >> What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any >> specific recommendations?) > > I've been out of the midwest for quite a few years, but... > > Vogue fabrics in Evanston is pretty cool. > > The Aurora Bleachery in Aurora used to have a fabulous remnant shop. > Cotton and poly-cotton solids sold by the pound. There's a place in Georgia that sells stuff by the pound too. I understand that's a great way to find stuff! Thanks for the recommendation. I was going to fly up, but I think I"ll drive ... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 15 21:36:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1G2aEhD019408 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:36:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1G2ZCZU012128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:36:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1G2YqpX093218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:34:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G2YnAi000361; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:34:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G2YjFm000313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:34:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HHsvw-0001Bv-UT; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:34:48 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:34:48 -0500 Message-ID: <20070215213448.zz2kagt8c00wcccc@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:34:48 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:36:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting "penhalion@juno.com" : > I second the recommendation for Vogue Fabrics in Evanston. It's > probably one of the best fabric stores in the country. > I also recommend that you consider visiting Bristol RenFaire which > will be opening the weekend of July 7&8. I just might be able to swing that. I've never been to a Real Ren-Faire. We had one local for like 2 years, but it was *very* tiny. SCA events, and Gulf War, yes, but never a Ren Faire. Thanks for the tip! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 00:37:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1G5bjWC022415 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:37:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1G5ape4003211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:37:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1G5SLnR011689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:28:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G5SF47006584; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:28:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G5SAh9006470 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:28:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ca4.962db90 (29673) for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:27:59 -0500 (EST) From: Appin1@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:27:59 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency Weekend at Riversdale House Museum To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5127 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 381a13db-074b-4ed1-972d-180aceceac7c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D542F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kathy Norvell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 01:01:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1G61dPo022725 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:01:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1G60j8I019626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:01:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1G5vl3q014342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G5vjGM022957; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:57:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G5vf8k022902 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 22:57:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A61D3A3304CA; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 05:50:21 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:57:26 -0800 Message-ID: <005f01c7518f$562a3b90$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20070215213448.zz2kagt8c00wcccc@www.goldsword.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:01:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Of course, to fully appreciate the Ren Faire experience, you should go in costume! Sharon (aka Baroness Hunsdon at some faires here in CA) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 6:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Quoting "penhalion@juno.com" : > I second the recommendation for Vogue Fabrics in Evanston. It's > probably one of the best fabric stores in the country. > I also recommend that you consider visiting Bristol RenFaire which > will be opening the weekend of July 7&8. I just might be able to swing that. I've never been to a Real Ren-Faire. We had one local for like 2 years, but it was *very* tiny. SCA events, and Gulf War, yes, but never a Ren Faire. Thanks for the tip! Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 01:43:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1G6hQf7023243 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:43:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1G6gb4L020921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:43:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1G6fYff018803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G6fV3W046439; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1G6fR92046416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:41:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HHwmi-0002d4-MB; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 00:41:32 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:41:32 -0500 Message-ID: <20070216014132.0g8zytlzjcysw88g@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:41:32 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations References: <005f01c7518f$562a3b90$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <005f01c7518f$562a3b90$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d342c1c8-3b32-42cc-bde7-55540706ba83 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D5525D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 06:52:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1GBqA82020070 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:52:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1GBpBVn031161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:52:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1GBoNGD047608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:50:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GBoHrT016945; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:50:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GBoD3Q016893 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:50:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rapierlady@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=r3levXwc+z3nUJXSsuIAg3F365zCn8MgctAL+IkRRIpvpbrXCifPvLVzMXm+TV6f; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.40] (helo=elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HI1bP-0008Iv-3B for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:50:11 -0500 Received: from 24.53.221.217 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:50:10 -0500 Message-ID: <6568664.1171626611082.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:50:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Wendy Colbert To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 0a030519c2a4ee4cf8c10fa22fe64701239a348a220c2609af277397b9d4037f260393b190d4cf9e3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.40 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e182e49-720a-416e-88be-dcdfd6bc5164 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D59AAF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:52:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I suggest Textile Discount Outlet 2121 West 21st Street, Chicago, IL 60608 (773) 847-0572 Fabulous place, shopped there frequently when I lived in the western suburbs of Chicago. All sorts of fabric, findings, aplliques, beads...... Wendy -----Original Message----- >From: "Susan B. Farmer" >Sent: Feb 15, 2007 7:14 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations > > >Speaking of Traveling ... > >I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) > >What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any specific >recommendations?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 10:20:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1GFK2Ik028234 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:20:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1GFJ8KY018603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:19:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1GFAxoK070956 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:10:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GFAmJN061645; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:10:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.105]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GFAhJI061472 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:10:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.14]) by bay0-omc1-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:10:38 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:10:38 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:10:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070215191420.aw80l5ue9tx1c8oc@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:08:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:08:34 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2007 15:10:38.0205 (UTC) FILETIME=[9D98F2D0:01C751DC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a3bffcc4-a7fc-4f7a-b0ba-ca99bb378c5a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D5CB6C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:19:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/textiles/index.php Art Institute of Chicago has an extensive textile collection. Last time I was there they had an incredible lace exhibit. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations > > Speaking of Traveling ... > > I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) > > What should I see there? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:30:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Saragrace Knauf : > http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/textiles/index.php > > Art Institute of Chicago has an extensive textile collection. > WooHoo! > > > Last time I was there they had an incredible lace exhibit. > *bummer* "The textile galleries are currently closed for the duration of the construction of the new building." *sigh* But there's Other Stuff -- and A Gift Shop, I"m sure! I would have *loved* to have seen that! Msybe it will be open by July. Thanks! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 10:43:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1GFhTc2028793 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:43:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1GFgexl014485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:43:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1GFTGsb074189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:29:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GFTDaU078141; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.214]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GFT7aX077957 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:29:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.22]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:29:02 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:29:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:29:00 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:27:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:27:02 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Feb 2007 15:29:02.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F9A80C0:01C751DF] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Child's costume - lappets? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3401c0e0-6a06-4519-a1dd-133b607ffbe7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D5D0F0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:43:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Do any of you know of some sources which discuss the pieces of cloth (typically from the shoulder or sleeve scye) hanging from a child's costume? I need some reference material to support my discussion and can't seem to find anything specifically in my books. I have always referred to them as lappets....maybe this is why I can't find the reference? You can see it in the following picture. http://www.thinker.org/imagebase_zoom.asp?rec=6259302223530010 Or http://tinyurl.com/3y4vr6 It makes sense to me, and I seem to recall they were used to hang on to kids. This one shows a rope attached to the small child. http://tinyurl.com/3eyaqz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 10:59:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1GFxxQW029219 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:59:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1GFx5aM001366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1GFl8EX076853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:47:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GFl4DW094794; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:47:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GFkwJL094626 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:47:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070216154653m150038tnde>; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:46:53 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:46:52 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Child's costume - lappets? Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:46:52 +0000 Message-Id: <021620071546.16727.45D5D1EC000277D50000415722007510900809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0b9e279-240b-46a6-912c-ec680a69f8e0 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45D5D4C9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:59:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO IIRC, They are called Leading Strings... Hope that helps, Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Saragrace Knauf" > Do any of you know of some sources which discuss the pieces of cloth > (typically from the shoulder or sleeve scye) hanging from a child's costume? > I need some reference material to support my discussion and can't seem to > find anything specifically in my books. I have always referred to them as > lappets....maybe this is why I can't find the reference? > > You can see it in the following picture. > > http://www.thinker.org/imagebase_zoom.asp?rec=6259302223530010 > > Or http://tinyurl.com/3y4vr6 > > > It makes sense to me, and I seem to recall they were used to hang on to > kids. This one shows a rope attached to the small child. > > http://tinyurl.com/3eyaqz > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 10:59:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1GFxxXB029222 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:59:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1GFx6LT031965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:59:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1GFkVre076756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:46:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GFkPWp094125; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:46:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1GFkGN1093998 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:46:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail42.nyc.untd.com (webmail42.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.182]) by smtpout02.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABC7MWPVAXCBRWJ for (sender ); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:45:55 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn7zpVncrs2/zkzyxvAUj0wCVepdMPYKLuMw== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail42.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MEQARCQC; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:45:45 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail42.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:45:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:45:17 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Child's costume - lappets? X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070216.074545.1712.1173949@webmail42.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:2075511573 X-MAIL-INFO: 2891e8899169698c699c8c1509a125cdf86148aca8a94888f888f17888c1381961c869e8f1e88c2d8869c58c4d890989fc812c4999f9b881edb88535b95d2d0001ed00b1196d45fc8d11bd1d6da8014c4529012d2d990c0005995899c841b931d1c5e891891c5d691c1c1cc59cac8c35385cddb5c861d955a84861e579e86589f1018c0cbd6d294c1d014c4c4c0c3cf9a559e99c6c79fce55581a1b1e5cdb9558d6c2141a52811a8115c95185c95d9d895d945a5003c2c98f9993ced41c9f931ed917539ed059d5828c528bcddd9ad9528d8 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.182|webmail42.nyc.untd.com|webmail42.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a98fe651-4532-4fb9-8edc-17ddd948cbbf X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D5D4CA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:59:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I believe they are usually referred to leading bands or leading strings.= Lappets are usually a part of a woman's cap. = Here's an article that referrs to them as part of children's costume: http://www.history.org/history/clothing/children/child01.cfm Karen Seamstrix = -- "Saragrace Knauf" wrote: Do any of you know of some sources which discuss the pieces of cloth = (typically from the shoulder or sleeve scye) hanging from a child's cost= ume? = I need some reference material to support my discussion and can't seem t= o = find anything specifically in my books. I have always referred to them a= s = lappets....maybe this is why I can't find the reference? You can see it in the following picture. http://www.thinker.org/imagebase_zoom.asp?rec=3D6259302223530010 Or http://tinyurl.com/3y4vr6 It makes sense to me, and I seem to recall they were used to hang on to = = kids. This one shows a rope attached to the small child. http://tinyurl.com/3eyaqz = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 11:42:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1GGgp0O030236 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:42:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1GGfvol028973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:42:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1GGf1OJ086454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:41:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GGesq6045190; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:40:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GGenq0045021 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:40:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cf4.674eac8 (58550) for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:40:31 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:40:31 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Child's costume - lappets? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22968ca3-b035-4698-b4be-2123b264f4a9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D5DED6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:42:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Leading strings is the term I've always heard for what you describe. Lappets are long[ish] bands of lace or needlework that fall in pairs from the back [or side] of a cap. You see them on ladies in the late 1600's through a good deal of the 1700's. And now that I think of it, are they not part of a Gable Hood? Fabric that hangs down the side. Jane Seymour famously had one pinned up in her portrait. Are they not called lappets too? So I can see how leading strings could indeed be called lappets, simply because they resemble lappets on head gear. Y'know, like Coif...which refers to different things in different periods, but there's a logic to the nomenclature. But the more common term is leading strings for what you describe on a child's costume. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 11:44:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1GGiC8X030260 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:44:12 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1GGhI9T029839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:44:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1GGffbJ086558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:41:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GGfcWg045900; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:41:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.85]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GGfUgm045643 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.89]) by bay0-omc1-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:41:24 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:41:24 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.140.123 by by135fd.bay135.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:41:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.222.144.232] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Child's costume - lappets? 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:44:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Try leading strings...lappets were lace extensions on the back of ladies caps in the 18th century. Kelly, An insolent reply from a polite person is a bad sign. Hippocrates (c.460-c.370 bc), Greek physician >From: "Saragrace Knauf" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "h-costume" >Subject: [h-cost] Child's costume - lappets? >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:27:02 -0700 > >Do any of you know of some sources which discuss the pieces of cloth >(typically from the shoulder or sleeve scye) hanging from a child's >costume? >I need some reference material to support my discussion and can't seem to >find anything specifically in my books. I have always referred to them as >lappets....maybe this is why I can't find the reference? > >You can see it in the following picture. > >http://www.thinker.org/imagebase_zoom.asp?rec=6259302223530010 > >Or http://tinyurl.com/3y4vr6 > > >It makes sense to me, and I seem to recall they were used to hang on to >kids. This one shows a rope attached to the small child. > >http://tinyurl.com/3eyaqz > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 17:43:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1GMhkPa006655 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:43:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1GMgqbC015127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:43:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1GMfaAj045318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:41:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GMfTKA079593; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:41:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1GBAPO6095367 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 04:10:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d1d.40aff73 (58550) for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:10:12 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 06:10:11 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency Weekend at Riversdale House Museum To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_d1d.40aff73.3306eb13_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:41:25 -0700 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ff8f2bf-a436-4a0c-873c-d153df883db1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D6336D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:43:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO --part1_d1d.40aff73.3306eb13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes'm, and I will be snail mailing the flyer to you and the others on my list in a week or so. However, I'll attach the pdf right now. I'm offering a hands-on, straw bonnet workshop, limited to the first 6 to sign up and pay, and the kit fee is $7, payable at the event. (Because I've been accumulating the materials for a while, on my own dime.) Ann --part1_d1d.40aff73.3306eb13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --part1_d1d.40aff73.3306eb13_boundary-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 19:29:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1H0TFie010520 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:29:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1H0SL7Z011480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:29:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1H0RSR5059497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:27:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H0RMKI060080; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:27:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H0RIaf059993 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:27:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cca.95296fa (42809) for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:27:07 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency Weekend at Riversdale House Museum To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1ea00315-46cc-4788-bce7-4829d1037b4d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D64C25.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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A.W. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 22:40:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1H3ekIT016325 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:40:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1H3dux4031509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:40:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1H3cRW0079729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:38:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H3cMhC071721; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:38:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H3cKZS071692 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:38:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6F02B930504; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:30:56 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:38:03 -0800 Message-ID: <000501c75245$0782eb70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20070216014132.0g8zytlzjcysw88g@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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I play the wife of Henry Carey, first cousin to Elizabeth I. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:42 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Quoting Sharon Collier : > Of course, to fully appreciate the Ren Faire experience, you should go in > costume! Of course! Italian? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 22:47:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1H3lgGm016569 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:47:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1H3kmnH001787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:47:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1H3kBRD080449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:46:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H3kASx075988; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:46:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H3k7Kp075946 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:46:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8C99608030E; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:38:49 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:45:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c75246$21d787f0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <000501c75245$0782eb70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:47:37 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Do you have a costume already? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:38 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations No, English. I play the wife of Henry Carey, first cousin to Elizabeth I. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:42 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Quoting Sharon Collier : > Of course, to fully appreciate the Ren Faire experience, you should go in > costume! Of course! Italian? Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 16 22:55:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1H3suxe016783 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:54:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1H3s8tM012314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:54:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1H3rUBR081287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H3rSjk079898; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H3rQhw079875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:53:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HIGde-0006LP-OD; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:53:30 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:53:30 -0500 Message-ID: <20070216225330.o2txo91z2vmsssc0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:53:30 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:54:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Sharon Collier : > Do you have a costume already? Italian. I play in the SCA .... Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 17 00:35:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1H5Zjw9019883 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:35:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1H5YowI020479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:35:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1H5Y5lJ092153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:34:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H5Y2ED036489; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:34:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H5XwJi036463 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=Zx3fBvL6avs0quE9986zJQ2ymIIAv58eCGrQACWGkePMUyMJDSUuV2NROl9FfBcZ; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.235] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HIICs-0005cE-6A for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:33:58 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070216232827.0282acf0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:33:41 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200702161547.l1GFl5ME094804@net.indra.com> References: <200702161547.l1GFl5ME094804@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5315733533d29799585a31bcdadba0cbfd356721a0475a53ba350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.235 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Chicago trip X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d8e1d3f-b067-47af-9011-42af7d207b52 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D693FA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:35:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Susan, I third the recommendation for Vogue fabrics. Huge place with tons of stuff. You can check them out ahead of time: VogueFabricsStore.com Also check out the Sari district - I'm not sure where it is exactly (we were in a group), but I'm sure someone here can narrow it down. That was the place I finally found a salwar kameez set that was both in a color I liked and in my size (large - XL to XXL and tall - 5' 11") DH got a suit too. But it's not just limited to clothing - picked up lots of saris for fabric and fabric lengths also. HTH, Sandy At 09:47 AM 2/16/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:14:20 -0500 >From: "Susan B. Farmer" >Subject: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations > >Speaking of Traveling ... > >I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) > >What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any specific >recommendations?) > >susan "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 17 00:50:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1H5ockD020254 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:50:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1H5njNo018777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:50:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1H5nA12093495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:49:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H5n9eK043770; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:49:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1H5n55B043723 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:49:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19703 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:39:26 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:39:26 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Chicago trip In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070216232827.0282acf0@pop.radiks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f614d8ed-8176-4f0e-a72c-71478e3077a6 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D69779.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:50:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: > Also check out the Sari district - I'm not sure where it is exactly > (we were in a group), but I'm sure someone here can narrow it down. Almost certainly Devon street (avenue?). When I lived near there, Devon was a mix of Indian and Orthodox Jewish neighborhood, which made the lunch choices very interesting. Good spice shops too. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 17 06:26:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1HBQOuI016383 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:26:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1HBPTEJ018179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:26:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1HBOcfN025293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:24:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HBOWng026702; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:24:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HBORFw026607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:24:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthbean@onetel.com) Received: from [83.216.128.118] (helo=AXIS) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1HINfx-0004Lh-Ci for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:24:21 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c75286$724ad2b0$0200a8c0@AXIS> From: "Ruth Bean" To: References: <200702161907.l1GJ4CoA081728@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:26:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Child's costume - Lappets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb7a527c-09d4-4845-aefa-e3c44c905f35 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D6E62A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:26:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Anne Buck's 'Clothes & the Child' has several index references to leading strings and hanging sleeves which seem relevant. Ruth Bean | >From: "Saragrace Knauf" | >Reply-To: Historical Costume | >To: "h-costume" | >Subject: [h-cost] Child's costume - lappets? | >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:27:02 -0700 | > | >Do any of you know of some sources which discuss the pieces of cloth | >(typically from the shoulder or sleeve scye) hanging from a child's | >costume? | >I need some reference material to support my discussion and can't seem to | >find anything specifically in my books. I have always referred to them as | >lappets....maybe this is why I can't find the reference? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 17 08:14:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1HDE1LI030760 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:14:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1HDDCZk023192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:13:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1HD6pBb037826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:06:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HD6keC087812; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:06:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HD6h0J087768 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:06:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rapierlady@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=goaPbhF9QIP4y7GO2j8YYgqsBDVtIskx9639+Mv3SevNDVusdSHVj4wU57Bbh4tY; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.43] (helo=elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HIPGy-0001xM-Kw for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:06:40 -0500 Received: from 24.53.221.217 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:06:40 -0500 Message-ID: <32490876.1171717600535.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:06:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Wendy Colbert To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Chicago trip Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 0a030519c2a4ee4cf8c10fa22fe64701239a348a220c2609f3f34dbbedc100f2443b7dd00bf734e5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c3488da-5cc3-41e4-be81-962b86a10bd5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D6FF68.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:13:56 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If you are looking for something other than fabric stuff and you like zoos, Chicago had 2 really nice zoos. You can't go wrong with either Lincoln Park or Brookfield, although Brookfield is larger. Wendy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 17 09:41:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1HEex0O000872 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:41:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1HEe5oP005844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:40:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1HEcooe051779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:38:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HEcfxg052058; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com (outbound-mail.nyc.untd.com [64.136.20.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1HEccKs051936 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail42.nyc.untd.com (webmail42.nyc.untd.com [10.141.27.182]) by smtpout04.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABC7QE3MAY2XZ9A for (sender ); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:37:31 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn76h2uNr11jGKV3hRV6OwjpXf5Zu5h8AL6Q== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail42.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MESQ7U24; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:36:49 PST Received: from [24.14.76.2] by webmail42.nyc.untd.com with HTTP: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:36:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.14.76.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:36:07 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Chicago trip X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070217.063649.1712.1177843@webmail42.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 1:1:589986844 X-MAIL-INFO: 17e520c020e4c000e459f08d598df9f97429109561cd44f590f5d5bdf591844de0e100e500951d95a0005189dd41dd455d55455d38155d380051f0c9d085b131c91d5004b1541dd9d4fd1df440a489f589ed1938c45d8915 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.182|webmail42.nyc.untd.com|webmail42.nyc.untd.com|penhalion@juno.com X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cf70a7a-ac24-4d49-bb31-44922fc9c000 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D713C5.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:40:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The main Indian area in Chicago is on the Northside on Devon Ave between= Western Ave. and California Ave. There's tons of sari shops, lots of In= dian style jewelry shops, and fabulous Indian restaurants. = = Karen Seamstrix -- Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: Susan, I third the recommendation for Vogue fabrics. Huge place with tons = of stuff. You can check them out ahead of time: VogueFabricsStore.com Also check out the Sari district - I'm not sure where it is exactly = (we were in a group), but I'm sure someone here can narrow it = down. That was the place I finally found a salwar kameez set that = was both in a color I liked and in my size (large - XL to XXL and = tall - 5' 11") DH got a suit too. But it's not just limited to = clothing - picked up lots of saris for fabric and fabric lengths also. HTH, Sandy At 09:47 AM 2/16/2007, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:14:20 -0500 >From: "Susan B. Farmer" >Subject: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations > >Speaking of Traveling ... > >I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) > >What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any specific >recommendations?) > >susan "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 17 11:13:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1HGDFNY003923 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:13:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1HGCL5U006237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:13:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1HGAeuC065817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:10:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HGAaI4020695; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:10:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HGAX0v020671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:10:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HIS8w-0000qV-O5; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:10:34 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:10:34 -0500 Message-ID: <20070217111034.rhxtttvyrw5cscgk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:10:34 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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The meeting is at the Museum of Natural History ... :-D susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 17 11:13:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1HGDpRW003943 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:13:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1HGD2F0026561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:13:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1HGBiAB065990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HGBhMu021392; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1HGBeBu021341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HISA0-0002Eq-PF; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:11:41 -0600 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:11:40 -0500 Message-ID: <20070217111140.1ffucla2g80kg8s8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 11:11:40 -0500 From: "Susan B. 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I've not responded to each of you individually -- and I don't want to clutter the list with a "thanks" to each individual email ... so *THANKS* susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 18 20:24:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1J1O7va024691 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:24:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1J1NILj025182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:24:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1J1MGqf017670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:22:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1J1MBmo091512; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:22:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mx6.wvu.edu (mx6.wvu.edu [157.182.203.35]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1J1M6nn091469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mx6.wvu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1J1M5EK029135 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:22:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:19:02 -0500 Message-Id: <45D883120200000C003D206B@WVUGW01.wvu.edu> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:47:14 -0500 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c36ca23-cff6-4fe1-915a-ee429eff82a2 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45D8FC06.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:24:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Does anyone know the address of the used Japanese kimono outlet in Chicago? Kathy >>> Wendy Colbert 02/16/07 6:50 AM >>> I suggest Textile Discount Outlet 2121 West 21st Street, Chicago, IL 60608 (773) 847-0572 Fabulous place, shopped there frequently when I lived in the western suburbs of Chicago. All sorts of fabric, findings, aplliques, beads...... Wendy -----Original Message----- >From: "Susan B. Farmer" >Sent: Feb 15, 2007 7:14 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: [h-cost] OT: Trip recommendations > > >Speaking of Traveling ... > >I'm going to be in Chicago the first of July (5-11th) > >What should I see there? (yeah, the fabric district, got any specific >recommendations?) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 08:50:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1JDoe0T004746 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:50:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JDnoRk010184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:50:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JDmSeT013110 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:48:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JDmOts012992; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:48:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JDmKTE012868 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:48:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070219134810.EDBZ23078.fep30.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:48:10 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.57]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070219134810.FERV3562.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:48:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c7542c$af09fcb0$3914a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:48:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.57] at Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:48:01 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fdbd2bfa-14a4-4867-8dec-431828987f1d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45D9AAFE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks in advance Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 10:25:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1JFPgTg008338 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:25:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JFOraL015035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:25:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JFIDRU025050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JFI9bC092435; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:18:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JFI4CR092342 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:18:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m83.in-tch.com [216.166.191.83]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l1JF4V624085 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:04:32 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000a01c7543a$64b701e0$53bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c7542c$af09fcb0$3914a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:26:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3c6d950-0d85-4284-8dcb-99d4d473f985 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D9C145.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:25:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'd think so, Bjarne....the "handkerchief" linen I use for shifts and veils is 3.1 oz, and it's fairly light. A little more substantial than my ideal (for handkerchief linen), but considered lightweight, nonetheless. --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta > Hi, > Could someone help me out with this. A silk taffeta with the weight of 2,6 > oz would that be a very light thin silk taffeta? > > Thanks in advance > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 11:02:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1JG2MwQ009473 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:02:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JG1XfV028308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:02:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JFuJBC030738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:56:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JFuGR7029759; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:56:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JFuBM7029595 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:56:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070219155605.FCHM29087.fep34.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:56:05 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.57]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070219155604.FHQL8485.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:56:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c7543e$8fd190d0$3914a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c7542c$af09fcb0$3914a150@CPQ21932199711> <000a01c7543a$64b701e0$53bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:56:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.57] at Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:56:03 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e87d8013-b06b-48ea-90d0-68161b0a3734 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45D9C9DD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:02:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dear Sue, Thanks for this. It was Denver Fabrics silk taffeta, then i understand the cheap prices. I guess its fitted for shirts and blouses, not dresses. Thanks Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta > I'd think so, Bjarne....the "handkerchief" linen I use for shifts and > veils > is 3.1 oz, and it's fairly light. A little more substantial than my ideal > (for handkerchief linen), but considered lightweight, nonetheless. > --Sue in Montana > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:48 AM > Subject: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta > > >> Hi, >> Could someone help me out with this. A silk taffeta with the weight of >> 2,6 >> oz would that be a very light thin silk taffeta? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> >> >> >> Leif og Bjarne Drews >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 11:47:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1JGlckY010154 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:47:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JGki6P027833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:47:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JGiHvt041307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:44:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JGi93Q082452; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JGi4xw082266 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:44:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d1e.7adba9c (58550) for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:43:53 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:43:53 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 390296e0-e1bb-479e-95b7-1b6cac767ce2 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45D9D474.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 11:47:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/19/2007 10:56:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: I guess its fitted for shirts and blouses, not dresses. ************* I'll bet you could make a drop-dead gorgeous 1930's bias cut dress out of it! Not to mention an early 1800's frock. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 15:27:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1JKRiBG013807 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:27:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JKQobb016367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:27:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JKLaNU079270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:21:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JKLRUX026990; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:21:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JKLHYk026689 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:21:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070219202111.PEOE29087.fep34.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:21:11 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.79]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070219202111.FOLI19549.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:21:11 +0100 Message-ID: <002d01c75463$9fc790a0$4f43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:22:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.67.79] at Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:21:08 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: [h-cost] WOOOHOOOO!!! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf936bd0-c4c4-473b-b9a8-9ae5a10eb77b X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DA080A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:27:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sorry but its so quiet here on the list, and i just had to share. I have finnished! with the anglaise dress. I dont know if you have had the same feeling as i have now, but this dress is f...... beautifull. Its my masterpiece ever. I shall rush home from work tomorrow with a big box from the postoffice to send it in, and i shall take some nice pictures in the daylight, its evening now, and the flash pictures are bad. God i am so happy, and its nice to get it send away so that i can have my mind focused on the new dress i am going to make.................... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 16:11:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1JLBZSO014575 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:11:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JLAfBT010030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:11:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JL9RVn089297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:09:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JL9L6i082495; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JL9IWG082371 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 14:09:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1457.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.179]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A61342373 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:09:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <45DA11EF.4080105@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:09:03 +0100 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOOOHOOOO!!! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:11:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well I am looking forward to see the pictures! I thought you didn't want to make dresses anymore ;-) . Greetings, Deredere Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Sorry but its so quiet here on the list, and i just had to share. > I have finnished! with the anglaise dress. > I dont know if you have had the same feeling as i have now, but this > dress is f...... beautifull. Its my masterpiece ever. > I shall rush home from work tomorrow with a big box from the > postoffice to send it in, and i shall take some nice pictures in the > daylight, its evening now, and the flash pictures are bad. > God i am so happy, and its nice to get it send away so that i can have > my mind focused on the new dress i am going to make.................... > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 17:28:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1JMSOln015804 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:28:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JMRTWO005424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:28:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JMQ6ZP005922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JMQ0DQ063904; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JMPFKq063181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:25:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HJGwe-0001Jm-25; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:25:16 -0600 Received: from 160.36.154.221 ([160.36.154.221]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:25:16 -0500 Message-ID: <20070219172516.yap8ozf5ak6oosgs@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:25:16 -0500 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOOOHOOOO!!! 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X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:28:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Quoting Bjarne og Leif Drews : > Sorry but its so quiet here on the list, and i just had to share. > I have finnished! with the anglaise dress. > I dont know if you have had the same feeling as i have now, but this > dress is f...... beautifull. Its my masterpiece ever. > I shall rush home from work tomorrow with a big box from the postoffice > to send it in, and i shall take some nice pictures in the daylight, its > evening now, and the flash pictures are bad. > God i am so happy, and its nice to get it send away so that i can have > my mind focused on the new dress i am going to make.................... > WooHoo! Can't wait for the pictures! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 18:24:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1JNOq7V017141 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:24:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JNNvJ6012367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:24:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JNMxwT014881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:22:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JNMqRh014045; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.86]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JNMV7K013521 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:22:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.120]) by bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:22:26 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:22:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.140.123 by by135fd.bay135.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:22:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.222.144.232] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002d01c75463$9fc790a0$4f43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] WOOOHOOOO!!! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:24:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I too have felt that feeling! Congratulations! Whoot! Kelly An insolent reply from a polite person is a bad sign. Hippocrates (c.460-c.370 bc), Greek physician >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] WOOOHOOOO!!! >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:22:03 +0100 > >Sorry but its so quiet here on the list, and i just had to share. >I have finnished! with the anglaise dress. >I dont know if you have had the same feeling as i have now, but this dress >is f...... beautifull. 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Audrey Chase in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 18:49:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1JNnTIa017483 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:49:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JNmZcV010590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:49:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JNm1L2018366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:48:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JNlxWV036482; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:47:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1JNltWb036398 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:47:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200702192347.l1JNltWb036398@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 17549 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2007 15:47:45 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 17259, pid: 17504, t: 5.2988s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:42/d:2533 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 19 Feb 2007 15:47:39 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:46:17 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please In-Reply-To: <13375496.1171927617522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <13375496.1171927617522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33fde34c-837d-40ff-9ee8-26f5a38eb980 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DA3753.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 19:00:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K00VpX017712 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:00:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1JNxbPo031158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:00:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1JNwrMt019686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:58:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JNwp4n045757; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:58:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1JNwldf045723 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:58:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25650 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:49:21 -0600 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:49:20 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please In-Reply-To: <200702192347.l1JNltWb036398@net.indra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13536ffd-55dd-4d12-9dd5-4aa301a25433 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DA39E9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:00:26 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Mon, 19 Feb 2007, Joan Jurancich wrote: > If it were me, I'd look at recent issues of Vogue. Does anyone wear what's in Vogue? I'd look at any photos of *real* high-end professional women, say in Forbes, or even Working Woman. Or just go down to Talbot's or Nordstrom's. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 19:06:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K06Qdp017790 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:06:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K05Wic031347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:06:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K04rV3020231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:04:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K03qIw056161; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:04:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K02Oh9049294 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:03:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070220000219m11008hdime>; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:02:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <13375496.1171927617522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13375496.1171927617522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:02:09 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a7ae792-5ae5-4998-9bac-9b5af5ab23df X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DA3B4C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:06:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Depending on just HOW high end these prof. women were, I'd consult a Talbot's catalog. They used to be where all the state-level female politicians and lawyers bought their suits. Another good place to check would be Nordstrom.com, especially, just now, their spring work- fashion update pages: http://shop.nordstrom.com/C/ 6007068/0~2376776~2374327~6007068? mediumthumbnail=Y&origin=leftnav&pbo=2374327 Good luck! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:26 PM, AVC wrote: > After costuming college and university productions for over 25 > years and community theatre(small stage) productions for seven > years, I have been asked to costume in modern (today) dress for > high end professional women in a comedy. Is there a list that would > be helpful; any suggestions of mags, books, etc? Any help would be > appreciated. > Audrey Chase > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 19:50:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K0omA3018346 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:50:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K0nx3P005308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:50:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K0m6Yc023494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:48:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K0hiMn092528; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:45:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K0dMSo089175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.85] (209-148-118-85.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.85]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l1K0d96T005250 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:17 -0800 Message-ID: <45DA433A.1060305@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:39:22 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please References: <13375496.1171927617522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5c70613-3fbb-4855-8ab8-e6f7852dcaa4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DA45B7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:50:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Look for a recent "dress for success" book. I think the every-career-woman-must-wear-suits look is out. It depends a lot on the specific profession--a bank manager does not dress like a department store buyer even if their incomes might be similar. _Style_ magazine is good, being more practically oriented than _Vogue_. It frequently has articles with detailed information and pictures for different ages, activities, seasons of the year, body types, etc. Talbot's is, in my view, for middle-aged conservative middle-income (not especially high-income) woman, not necessarily professional. They have a lot of vaguely preppy casual clothes for housewives. They're quite dowdy, actually. Nordstrom's is much classier and more stylish. Try www.nordstrom.com. Another place to look is Bloomingdale's--www.bloomingdales.com. I'd call Bloomingdale's online and catalog selection a conservative form of expensive-stylish. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com Lauren Walker wrote: > Depending on just HOW high end these prof. women were, I'd consult a > Talbot's catalog. They used to be where all the state-level female > politicians and lawyers bought their suits. Another good place to check > would be Nordstrom.com, especially, just now, their spring work- fashion > update pages: http://shop.nordstrom.com/C/ > 6007068/0~2376776~2374327~6007068? > mediumthumbnail=Y&origin=leftnav&pbo=2374327 > Good luck! > Lauren > Lauren M. Walker > lauren.walker@comcast.net > > > > On Feb 19, 2007, at 6:26 PM, AVC wrote: > >> After costuming college and university productions for over 25 years >> and community theatre(small stage) productions for seven years, I >> have been asked to costume in modern (today) dress for high end >> professional women in a comedy. Is there a list that would be >> helpful; any suggestions of mags, books, etc? Any help would be >> appreciated. >> Audrey Chase >> >> in the high boonies of Central Texas >> >> ________________________________________ >> PeoplePC Online >> A better way to Internet >> http://www.peoplepc.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 19:54:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K0siuY018404 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:54:44 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K0roDE021397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:54:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K0qoJE024268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:52:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K0qnKp000642; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:52:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K0qjiW000447 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:52:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FAEC2202 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:52:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45DA4682.20402@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:53:22 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b2ea8e1-c439-488f-b9c5-38ad8f4ce0e0 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DA469E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 20:03:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K13fwq018559 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:03:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K12qAh025205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:03:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K11voA025711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:01:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K11uat008258; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:01:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K11r0q008129 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:01:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2007022001014701200pp3vje>; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:01:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <13375496.1171927617522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13375496.1171927617522.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:01:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f4d715b-8811-4737-b96e-4e29f2ba0bdc X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DA48BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:03:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What's the play? Sylrog On Feb 19, 2007, at 4:26 PM, AVC wrote: > After costuming college and university productions for over 25 years > and community theatre(small stage) productions for seven years, I have > been asked to costume in modern (today) dress for high end > professional women in a comedy. Is there a list that would be helpful; > any suggestions of mags, books, etc? Any help would be appreciated. > Audrey Chase > > in the high boonies of Central Texas > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 20:06:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K16ffj018604 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:06:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K15l87025700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:06:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K14ir0026057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:04:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K14h9p010552; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:04:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K14dlw010496 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:04:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from clclists1@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12lmd56.cable.mindspring.com ([69.91.52.166] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HJJQs-0005bV-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:04:39 -0500 Message-ID: <45DA4908.6050005@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:04:08 -0600 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: Polistampa - 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580' Reprint References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31b214eb-44b0-463f-ab58-c673addd81f3 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DA496B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:06:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The first time this book came around, I ordered a dozen copies directly from Italy -- from an Italian bookseller, not the publisher. Since I bought in quantity, I got a decent discount. They took Visa so payment was easy. I sold them locally (no additional shipping costs involved) for $75/each. I don't know who might have them now, but if no one in the US is carrying it, I'd suggest trying European sellers. Buying internationally really isn't that big a deal. I used to find books semi-professionally and often bought internationally. --Charlene Wanda Pease wrote: > I think we are going to have a better way of getting this book. David Brown > books contacted me because I suggested THEY carry it. That way they can do > all the work of getting it, pricing it (looks like about $99.50 but don't > quote me yet) and making it available. They speak English, they do mail > order all the time; they take plastic. I've even known them to make a deal > where you pay in installments! > > If there was ever a book that those who love the Italian Renaissance either > in costuming or in history (or both). You NEED this book! > > Stay tuned to this Group for further developments! > > Regina Romsey > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >>[mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sharon Collier >>Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:21 PM >>To: 'Historical Costume' >>Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW: Polistampa - 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580' Reprint >> >> >>I want one. How can I reserve it? I tried to contact Polistampa, (in >>Italian) but I don't know if the email got to them. At least, I haven't >>heard from them since I sent it a week ago. >>Sharon C. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > -- There is no way to make people like change. You can only make them feel less threatened by it. -- Frederick O'R. Hayes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 20:12:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K1Cpfi018672 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:12:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K1C2aI029631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:12:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K1BY5N027127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:11:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K1BXAR016426; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:11:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K1BT50016349 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:11:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from clclists1@earthlink.net) Received: from user-12lmd56.cable.mindspring.com ([69.91.52.166] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HJJXS-00010m-00; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:11:27 -0500 Message-ID: <45DA4AA1.4050908@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:10:57 -0600 From: Charlene Charette User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040616 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: H-Costume List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] where wool comes from - humor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12345581-0f14-447c-ace1-b40b30fe2ceb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DA4AE2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Hayes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 20:15:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K1FmDD018730 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:15:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K1EraZ015049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:15:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K1EQrk027449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K1EQ2w018847; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K1ELYj018717 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:14:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bf2.110cdd27 (30739) for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:14:14 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 352dd10d-3a9b-4683-944f-d122887c049d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DA4B8E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:15:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/19/2007 6:48:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: If it were me, I'd look at recent issues of Vogue. *************** Nah....look at what women in Congress are wearing. Or get a Forbes mag. and see what's in the adverts and stuff. Know any high end professional women? Call 'em up and ask what they try for when dressing. Ask what they like on others they've seen [and what they don't like]. Ask where everybody shops and get a catalogue. Go to Bloomies or some high end store, tell them you're having your 1st big meeting as chairwoman of the board and see what they suggest you try on.[if you can get away with that.] Remember, modern costumes are the HARDEST to do. That's because you cannot fudge. It's fresh in the audience's mind and certain items and brands and looks speak loud and clear. A high end professional in LA will not wear the same thing as one in Dallas. And if they're from Europe.....! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 22:24:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K3OnSm020289 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:24:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K3NsjO025382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:24:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K3MHcW042782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:22:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K3MB0b017565; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K3M7eN017510 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:22:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1HJLZs1PVp-0004HM; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:22:07 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c7549e$45209e40$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45DA4682.20402@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 22:21:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX19f9Z9+3ue19yiSzHUwKosl76Db7eW9POtKTDHyUcNvHJnpnHNzofCXQBnAgoIONZhb5cNperM36eboLPYRJsTkiJ8LzAjLhaglR7nOhuoWKA== X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0742dab-b7fc-4809-bc69-aeb7867448cf X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DA69CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 19 23:49:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K4nGY0022273 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:49:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K4mM9Z021360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:49:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K4kiHO054827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:46:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K4kf2M080926; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:46:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K4kcp9080887 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:46:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1HJMtg1phb-0004Do; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:46:37 -0500 Message-ID: <004e01c754aa$147628d0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:46:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX19kunn8Rku/1wkrbi86xaswz38NN8xHfW6L/xVaqH7gK/qahLKaNOEEaarOMBYf3YyzElkizBIqSdnJ2fM/9Y1jDZhiF7PqsEveSGM2PE9r8g== X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Venetian Carnival X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13a301f5-a7df-4bf2-ab33-a77837c8318b X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DA7D96.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The ceiling mural artist, = William Andrew "Willy" Pogany, was a very popular artist for children's = book illustrator (Gulliver's Travel, Troy, etc.), and a set and costume = designer for the Zeigfeld Follies on Broadway. This series' mural = images are massive in size and close-up views are available on our = website's Library. The murals were painted on canvas by Willy Pogany in = New York City then brought to the C=E0 d'Zan and installed on the = gameroom ceiling. Today's addition includes 13 webpages. These murals = have not been seen by many people because the visitors' cost is extra to = view the mansion's gameroom area at the museum. =20 I did a two-week photoshoot of the Ringling Estate and Museum last = April. My agreement with the museum was that I put the photos in my = Library's free access area. This photoshoot included Ringling Bros. = 1950s circus costumes, their rose garden statutes, the mansion, and Mr. = Ringling's 1920s NYC Fifth Ave. wardrobe. I took about 3,000 photos at = the museum. The gameroom photos were taken while I laid on a blanket and = pillow on the floor and scooted around. BTW, the background image for = the gameroom webpages is the C=E0 d'Zan mansion.=20 You may view the thumbnails on the Library's updates page: = www.costumegallery.com/updates.htm . I will have a master index page in = the next few days. Under some of the photo enlargement pages, there are = thumbnails to more enlargements of that image's specific details. = There will be SEVERAL more gameroom images added later this week. If you would prefer individual links, here they are: http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/brownladyw= hiteclown.htm Couple #1 (3 images with 2 closeups, click on the = thumbnails for the image close-ups) http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/canopycoup= le.htm Couple #2 (3 images with 2 closeups, click on the thumbnails for = the large image for close-ups) http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/couple3.ht= m couple #3 http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/couple4.ht= m couple #4 (2 images with 1 closeup, click on the thumbnails for the = large image for close-up) http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/bird1.htm = bird #1 http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/bird2.htm = bird #2 http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/artist1.ht= m self portrait, Willy Pogany http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/clownstick= .htm Clown Scepter Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 04:32:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K9WJlQ026250 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:32:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1K9VP2J022485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:32:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K9TLdJ080917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:29:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K9THRL083054; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:29:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K9TDjk083024 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:29:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ADB417E50278; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:21:56 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Venetian Carnival Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 01:29:14 -0800 Message-ID: <000601c754d1$95f3a820$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004e01c754aa$147628d0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l1K9TDjk083024 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cd5859e-b64d-4427-8fb6-714b498baeb7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DABFED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:32:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The costume gallery asked for username and password. But where do I do that? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:46 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Venetian Carnival Happy Mardi Gras or Carnival/Carnivale! I have been adding to my Library's free access area, my "Carnival in Venice" photos from the John and Mable Ringling's Cà d'Zan mansion in Sarasota, Florida. John Ringling was one of the brothers who owned the Barnum and Bailey Ringling Bros. Circus. The mansion was completed in 1926 and entertained many popular guests. This "Carnival in Venice" mural is located on the Cà d'Zan's gameroom ceiling. This room took the majority of the 32-room mansion's third floor. The Ringling's entertained in the gameroom frequently. The ceiling mural artist, William Andrew "Willy" Pogany, was a very popular artist for children's book illustrator (Gulliver's Travel, Troy, etc.), and a set and costume designer for the Zeigfeld Follies on Broadway. This series' mural images are massive in size and close-up views are available on our website's Library. The murals were painted on canvas by Willy Pogany in New York City then brought to the Cà d'Zan and installed on the gameroom ceiling. Today's addition includes 13 webpages. These murals have not been seen by many people because the visitors' cost is extra to view the mansion's gameroom area at the museum. I did a two-week photoshoot of the Ringling Estate and Museum last April. My agreement with the museum was that I put the photos in my Library's free access area. This photoshoot included Ringling Bros. 1950s circus costumes, their rose garden statutes, the mansion, and Mr. Ringling's 1920s NYC Fifth Ave. wardrobe. I took about 3,000 photos at the museum. The gameroom photos were taken while I laid on a blanket and pillow on the floor and scooted around. BTW, the background image for the gameroom webpages is the Cà d'Zan mansion. You may view the thumbnails on the Library's updates page: www.costumegallery.com/updates.htm . I will have a master index page in the next few days. Under some of the photo enlargement pages, there are thumbnails to more enlargements of that image's specific details. There will be SEVERAL more gameroom images added later this week. If you would prefer individual links, here they are: http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/brownladywhit eclown.htm Couple #1 (3 images with 2 closeups, click on the thumbnails for the image close-ups) http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/canopycouple. htm Couple #2 (3 images with 2 closeups, click on the thumbnails for the large image for close-ups) http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/couple3.htm couple #3 http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/couple4.htm couple #4 (2 images with 1 closeup, click on the thumbnails for the large image for close-up) http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/bird1.htm bird #1 http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/bird2.htm bird #2 http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/artist1.htm self portrait, Willy Pogany http://www.costumegallery.com/Ringling/Mansion/Gameroom/Venice/clownstick.ht m Clown Scepter Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 05:00:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KA0v1h031405 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:00:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KA08wV000514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:00:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1K9wam3083901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:58:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K9wYmS005321; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1K9wVo6005260 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:58:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1HJRlW045E-0004jo; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:58:31 -0500 Message-ID: <007101c754d5$a716b940$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000601c754d1$95f3a820$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Venetian Carnival Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:58:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:3d9d98f5735ac15b24f809ddf014658e X-Provags-ID2: V01U2FsdGVkX1+CFbwESKRLBBJXPv8+MGTh4Kk+WJ1wXwphGBNL5XRBU5KeVTeQuhK1kW8x9qUi0hgtdde7JTy/oEUYQH5/72vMNGRXNyTqlgnHxGBCXFE06A== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28c92b50-4dfd-445b-aa52-ce812d7c4dd9 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DAC6A8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:00:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sharon, The Ringling Carnival of Venice murals does not ask for a password. Click on those thumbnail images from the update page or the links near the end of my initial email. You can also view the of the wire bustle pads webpages on the updates page or: http://www.costumegallery.com/VCU/Photos/bustle/ladies/pads/pad1/wire1.htm http://www.costumegallery.com/VCU/Photos/bustle/ladies/pads/pad2/wire2.htm But I am on contract to only show the bustle pads enlargements to Library subscribers. I can only show the thumbnail index pages to the VCU collection. Subscription info is on: http://www.costumegallery.com/librarycard.htm I am sorry, I didn't intend to promote subscribing in my previous message. I am excited to start get the Ringling images online. I am sorry for being scatterbrained in this message. I have been up all night trying to find livecams of carnival. I am teaching the history of Carnival/Mardi Gras tonight to my class. If anyone knows of livecams, please let me know. I have the live cams for New Orleans. It will be a jam-packed lesson tonight. I am also teaching the 1910s decade. Thank goodness I have three hours for class. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 05:49:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KAnRwm008333 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:49:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KAmWLZ000805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:49:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KAlYTF090044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:47:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KAlUH8045108; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:47:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KAlQHv044969 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 03:47:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d4e.2ab3a9d (39329) for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:47:17 -0500 (EST) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 05:47:17 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f32b8d6-efd4-4829-9a84-2c6c5e38f93f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DAD200.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 10:16:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KFGDSl030319 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:16:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KFFNhr003114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:16:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KF4uju027217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:04:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KF4pqU078614; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:04:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.151]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KEY9PR049012 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:34:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.11]) by bay0-omc2-s15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:34:03 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:34:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:34:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c7542c$af09fcb0$3914a150@CPQ21932199711><000a01c7543a$64b701e0$53bfa6d8@pavilion> <000401c7543e$8fd190d0$3914a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:32:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:32:14 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2007 14:34:02.0680 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A9D6B80:01C754FC] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90b2e446-56f3-4dd5-8f79-c1282d77c7e6 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DB108C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:16:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Which one are you looking at Bjarne? I used this one for the silk skirt in my most recent project and it was great - it is only 2,3 ounces. http://tinyurl.com/2wg5qn Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta > Dear Sue, > Thanks for this. It was Denver Fabrics silk taffeta, then i understand the > cheap prices. I guess its fitted for shirts and blouses, not dresses. > > Thanks > > Bjarne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta > > > > I'd think so, Bjarne....the "handkerchief" linen I use for shifts and > > veils > > is 3.1 oz, and it's fairly light. A little more substantial than my > > ideal > > (for handkerchief linen), but considered lightweight, nonetheless. > > --Sue in Montana > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 6:48 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] 2,6 oz silk taffeta > > > > > >> Hi, > >> Could someone help me out with this. A silk taffeta with the weight of > >> 2,6 > >> oz would that be a very light thin silk taffeta? > >> > >> Thanks in advance > >> > >> Bjarne > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Leif og Bjarne Drews > >> www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >> > >> http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 10:20:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KFKapR030445 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:20:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KFJfWL008721 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:20:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KF9V3D027853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:09:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KF9UhA083423; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:09:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KF9Q6l083316 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070220150921.LOKD9974.fep30.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:09:21 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.88]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070220150920.GCSA19549.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:09:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c75501$37af92d0$586ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:10:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.164.110.88] at Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:09:18 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87dcce56-9995-41b2-a518-bb9b1b172302 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DB118D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I dont have more bandwidth at the other webpage where i started, but the finished pictures are here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 10:48:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KFmkCQ031074 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:48:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KFljPe017452 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:48:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KFjnXZ036037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:45:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KFjit6024084; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:45:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta13.adelphia.net (mta13.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.44]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KFjere023933 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:45:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from VAIO ([72.227.84.22]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20070220154530.TRSY14346.mta13.adelphia.net@VAIO> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:45:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01c75506$1ffbf840$020fa8c0@VAIO> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c75501$37af92d0$586ea450@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:45:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=40% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a51353d6-e84f-4036-8645-739927e728a5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DB1821.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net Creating a Circa 1798 - 1805 Empire Gown http://marjoriegilbert.net/album_30_028.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:10 AM Subject: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 > So its ready to be wieved now. > I dont have more bandwidth at the other webpage where i started, but the > finished pictures are here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 10:53:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KFrQCP031188 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:53:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KFqVe0025943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:53:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KFpk1L037403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:51:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KFphvo030585; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:51:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1KFpbG5030482 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:51:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200702201551.l1KFpbG5030482@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 2727 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2007 07:51:27 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 2395, pid: 2706, t: 5.5037s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:42/d:2533 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 20 Feb 2007 07:51:22 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:50:00 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 In-Reply-To: <000501c75501$37af92d0$586ea450@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c75501$37af92d0$586ea450@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3608abf-c4f0-4818-8d86-5cd13f2f35ad X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DB193F.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 14:05:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KJ5E2c003140 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:05:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KJ4Ov4000310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:05:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KIvdrl080501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:57:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KIvK2I090348; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:57:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KIv61l090009 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id q29so2591073nfc for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:56:59 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fPFyXlgDaWNhXxCSaAZVruJXHI2Xp9kROO+MwOWRiUVzA2y8rtQN+XcHS46JGJzWaCjpIXVOx1g0ER2rYwyciMAbuLrxbTLaYc1EzZHEmV6ZMxvb7yWUXRPnFS0i6HVtvKH3BPTGb3wKbvTaV6M21P1d36Qq6ZL9zWwn+lTg6qU= Received: by 10.49.19.5 with SMTP id w5mr7045250nfi.1171997815858; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.23.3 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:56:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0702201056r15b0d774nf49a41121be5e186@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:56:55 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Reference please In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 874859d2-ac79-44dc-81fd-20293a379f96 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DB4638.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:05:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'd also look in the society pages of the newspapers of Houston and Austin, since you're in Texas. I'm local to San Francisco, and the Sunday papers often have photos of the people at society art openings, political or social benefit days and nights. It's not all evening gowns, and I can see (only in black/white though) what the hoi poloi are wearing to be seen by other hoi poloi. Best of luck, LynnD On 2/20/07, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/19/2007 8:14:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > > Remember, modern costumes are the HARDEST to do. That's because you cannot > fudge. It's fresh in the audience's mind and certain items and brands and > looks > speak loud and clear. > > > > > And of course, there is your BUDGET. > > Ann Wass > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 16:15:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KLFfVA006633 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:15:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KLEkJ8022951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:15:35 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KLDdhA012682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:13:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KLDHMT035300; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:13:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KJWKJ7068778 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 12:32:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070220193214.VOGC11932.fep33.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:32:14 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.98]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070220193214.GJVD3562.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:32:14 +0100 Message-ID: <005001c75525$f376d270$6214a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:33:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.98] at Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:32:11 +0100 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] anglaise dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e150d857-a91c-4a16-907c-a367ba3a2160 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DB64C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:15:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Many many thanks for your wonderfull words. It is very kind of you to look at my work. It was a nice day, but also a sad day today, my little birdie died this afternoon. He was ancient old, and it was the best because he had difficulties to keep his ballance at the stick. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 16:31:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KLVFi4007131 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:31:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KLUKbi031835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:31:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KLSqcj015747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:28:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KLSmLW075613; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:28:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4b.socket.net [216.106.88.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KLShBT075359 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:28:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD2C037A72 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:28:42 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] anglaise dress. Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:28:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <005001c75525$f376d270$6214a150@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b0a17eb-23bb-4c16-a51d-ae35fa0904c2 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DB686C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 17:40:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KMewfF009608 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:40:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KMe3KY031952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:40:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KMcB3h026741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:38:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KMc4KI097701; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:38:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KMbxqr097556 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:38:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200702202238.l1KMbxqr097556@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070220223753m1400gspjde>; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:37:53 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 17:37:57 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] anglaise dress. In-Reply-To: <005001c75525$f376d270$6214a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <005001c75525$f376d270$6214a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6eacf9f-9c31-4b7e-8ffb-ed57ba510f03 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DB78C3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 18:32:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1KNWuII011624 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:32:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1KNW79a023497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:32:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1KNV354033400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:31:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KNV0uA046851; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:31:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1KNUvgH046804 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:30:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A2F54410396; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:23:33 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:30:52 -0800 Message-ID: <005d01c75547$29192060$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c75501$37af92d0$586ea450@CPQ21932199711> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11234901-1457-481a-8a7e-2704340da54e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DB84F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:32:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It's beautiful! I want one! Is the lace on the sleeves 3 different widths? Or did you put it on staggered? Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:10 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 So its ready to be wieved now. 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Dudley" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <24507.37417.qm@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9569d79-135f-4aac-910b-8ce22652c68b X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DBAB40.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I have a beloved cat, and I know I will grieve when she eventually passes on. -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 20 22:53:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1L3roEn021571 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:53:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1L3qt0P020123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:53:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1L3q8gW060979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:52:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1L3q5iQ027460; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:52:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1L3q1MH027360 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:52:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c00.fc19e62 (30740) for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:51:50 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:51:50 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb31cdfa-6e87-4a60-9762-7cddfd3f0d72 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DBC217.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 00:43:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1L5gtiN025086 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:42:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1L5g1lG012185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:42:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1L5esUg072637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:40:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1L5eo9k096032; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1L5ektE095932 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:40:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ca1.aacde96 (49381) for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d06.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD063-c0e545dbdb512b9; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:40:33 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <005001c75525$f376d270$6214a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <005001c75525$f376d270$6214a150@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <3bee10a4ac3a069e811c4088c375cec3@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] anglaise dress. Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:40:30 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: feb4091c-b858-46c5-88f1-e4cc89e805c0 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DBDBA9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:42:50 -0500 (EST) Status: RO So sorry about your bird. It is hard to lose a pet. Your work is a treat to view. Thanks for sharing the link with all of=20 us. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Feb 20, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Many many thanks for your wonderfull words. It is very kind of you to=20 > look at my work. > It was a nice day, but also a sad day today, my little birdie died=20 > this afternoon. He was ancient old, and it was the best because he had=20 > difficulties to keep his ballance at the stick. > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 09:27:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LERq33002310 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:27:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LEQvgR024207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:27:46 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LEHbfB032541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:17:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LEHV35032715; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:17:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LEHRNq032647 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:17:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070221141725.JFGI4064.fep35.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:25 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.169]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070221141725.GYLK19549.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:25 +0100 Message-ID: <004801c755c3$2068a0e0$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005001c75525$f376d270$6214a150@CPQ21932199711> <200702202238.l1KMbxqr097556@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] anglaise dress.(birds) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:18:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.67.169] at Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:17:23 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d2cadf85-e8a7-4834-bc9f-bacf0e8c1684 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DC56B1.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:27:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi Dianne Thanks for your concerns. He was just a badgerigar, yellow-green. I had him for 11 years. He had difficulties because he was born with one of his toes pointed in the wrong direction, he often fell down from his sticks. But apart from that he was healthy. I also baught him a female bird. She was so crual to him, and i was actually releaved, when it suddently was dead one morning. Then i desided to keep him alone, so that he could have more piece. I love the company of the birds, tomorrow ill go and buy myself 2 new ones. Wished i had the money for a parrot, i love parrots. One of my X friends had a lot of parrots. In particular Jacko, an african grey, became very friendly to me. I could take him outside in the garden, and he didnt fly away, he was sitting on my shoulder. My X-friend worked in a cirkus, and trained annimals. Once we had a baby ellefant in the carport outside the house, staying the night over. My x-friend was, after we had left eachother, murdered and it happened in the house. Burglers. The house and my x-friend was left empty for 3 weeks, before somebody tryed to contakt him. All the parrots was dead off cause, starved and left without fresh water. A terrible story. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] anglaise dress. > At 02:33 PM 2/20/2007, you wrote: >>t was a nice day, but also a sad day today, my little birdie died this >>afternoon. He was ancient old, and it was the best because he had >>difficulties to keep his ballance at the stick. >> >>Bjarne > > > I'm sorry about your bird, Bjarne. What kind of bird was he? > > I have a cockatiel and an African Grey parrot. > > Dianne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 09:29:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LETWJM002349 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:29:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LESc1s026597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:29:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LEJD66032834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:19:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LEJC3G034130; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LEJ8PY034007 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:19:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070221141903.JNZW11932.fep33.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:19:03 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.169]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070221141902.GZJB3562.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:19:02 +0100 Message-ID: <005101c755c3$5b19ce30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005d01c75547$29192060$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:19:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.67.169] at Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:19:01 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aa149ac2-533d-4250-8122-06716c02b159 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DC5716.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Or did you put it on > staggered? > Sharon C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:10 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Robe anglaise 1780 > > > So its ready to be wieved now. > I dont have more bandwidth at the other webpage where i started, but the > finished pictures are here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 10:13:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LFDdkD003538 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:13:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LFCi9B027954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:13:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LExZNQ037722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LExXGx068400; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LExSEd068231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:59:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l1LExMYA046420 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:59:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:59:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <59079.65.117.156.5.1172069962.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:59:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=63% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] what is your favorite magazine? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6378b2a-f651-4a48-9088-d6f08927bcdb X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DC616C.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:13:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO After reading Bjarne's email about the embroidery magazine I started thinking about what all is out there that we actually purchase for ourselves and for inspiration when it comes to embroidery, costumes, design, or just plain relaxation. What magazines do you all purchase whether or not you have the time to actually read them right there and then? For me this would be Threads: http://www.taunton.com/Threads/ I really have not had time to get any others lately but still am interested in what is out there that is actually being purchased cause there are just tons out there! :) Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 10:19:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LFJAke003739 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:19:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LFILoe012524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:19:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LF71N9038924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:07:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LF6wOm075885; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LF6oSR075775 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:06:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m229.in-tch.com [216.166.191.229]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l1LErH622433 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:53:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000401c755cb$2948afe0$e5bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> <59079.65.117.156.5.1172069962.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] what is your favorite magazine? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:15:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58479196-db0e-41ae-8e7f-0eed46594173 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DC62BD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:19:04 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well, Harper's, but that's not an inspiration-source for costuming/needlework, etc., so I'd have to say I really enjoy the following: Piecework (especially the older ones) SpinOff Handwoven and Knitty (which is electronic format) Threads is good, too, but I don't have too much of a use for that sort of thing, so I don't purchase it. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] what is your favorite magazine? > After reading Bjarne's email about the embroidery magazine I started > thinking about what all is out there that we actually purchase for > ourselves and for inspiration when it comes to embroidery, costumes, > design, or just plain relaxation. > > What magazines do you all purchase whether or not you have the time > to actually read them right there and then? > > For me this would be Threads: http://www.taunton.com/Threads/ > > I really have not had time to get any others lately but still am > interested in what is out there that is actually being purchased > cause there are just tons out there! :) > > Chiara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 10:51:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LFpxBS004627 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:51:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LFp4T4027849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:51:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LFeaG9044232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:40:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LFeV8K009597; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:40:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LFeR0j009537 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:40:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.14.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.14]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HJtZy-0002nx-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:40:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <28A93B30-615D-4DC4-AAF7-DFAE575DD000@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery magazine Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:40:56 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64c2fb6b-339b-4bd8-88d8-73ceebd8384c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DC6A68.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:51:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO First of all, please ask them if it's possible to purchase individual issues of the magazine! I can't afford a subscription, but I would certainly love to read the interview and see the pictures! If they've asked for a design for an embroidered waistcoat readers could make and wear, I'd think they're asking for "wearable art," and so maybe they'd be more interested in one of your purse designs than in the stomacher, since a reader could make a purse and carry it when going to a dressy event. My two cents.... --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Feb 21, 2007, at 9:40 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi, > Maybe some of you would have the time to help me out. > I find it a little difficult to find myself, and therefore i ask you. > Country Bumpkins embroidery magazine Inspirations, is going to have > an interwiev with me in their issue nr 55. > They want me to send them 8-10 pictures of my work. > Wich pictures do you think i should send them with the interwiev? > Also for the later issue nr. 57 wich is going to be all about > flowers, they wanted me to design an embroidered waistcoat for the > readers to make and wear. > This i told them i dont have time to do, but i thoaght about what > if i gave them the pattern for the beautifull stomacher i made on > the yellow stumpwork dress? > Do you think readers would be interrested in this. They could not > wear it, but they could frame it? > If you have the time for these questions, i would be very greatfull. > > Many thanks > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 11:03:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LG3rLV004915 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:03:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LG2xKU012266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:03:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LEeKsO034871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:40:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LEeJj8050575; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:40:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LEeFQ0050427 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:40:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070221144009.KSRA9974.fep30.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:40:09 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.169]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070221144009.GZZM8485.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:40:09 +0100 Message-ID: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:40:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.169] at Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:40:07 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02a0d7f8-e63a-4aee-b69c-a661c02358f9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DC6D33.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:03:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Maybe some of you would have the time to help me out. I find it a little difficult to find myself, and therefore i ask you. Country Bumpkins embroidery magazine Inspirations, is going to have an interwiev with me in their issue nr 55. They want me to send them 8-10 pictures of my work. Wich pictures do you think i should send them with the interwiev? Also for the later issue nr. 57 wich is going to be all about flowers, they wanted me to design an embroidered waistcoat for the readers to make and wear. This i told them i dont have time to do, but i thoaght about what if i gave them the pattern for the beautifull stomacher i made on the yellow stumpwork dress? Do you think readers would be interrested in this. They could not wear it, but they could frame it? If you have the time for these questions, i would be very greatfull. Many thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 11:30:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LGUpiY005693 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:30:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LGU2UX014864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:30:45 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LEseeo036926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:54:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LEscY2063308; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LEsZSj063190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 07:54:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l1LEsTEt045668 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:54:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:54:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <57115.65.117.156.5.1172069669.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:54:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery magazine From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=64% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b657403-ff4f-4684-867d-cae32dbd245c X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DC738A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:30:46 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oh Wow ... that is wonderful Bjarne! Definitely http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/taske8.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/taske4.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries20.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries17.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries24.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/purseembroideries1.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit37.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/2006suit31.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/Helms1.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/f.embroidery13.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/f.embroidery15.htm The others on your stomacher page will not come up but maybe one more off that set of projects too. And definitely this one with the embroidery on the buttons: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/f.embroidery7.htm Chiara On Wed, February 21, 2007 8:40 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews said: > Hi, > Maybe some of you would have the time to help me out. > I find it a little difficult to find myself, and therefore i ask > you. > Country Bumpkins embroidery magazine Inspirations, is going to have > an > interwiev with me in their issue nr 55. > They want me to send them 8-10 pictures of my work. > Wich pictures do you think i should send them with the interwiev? > Also for the later issue nr. 57 wich is going to be all about > flowers, they > wanted me to design an embroidered waistcoat for the readers to make > and > wear. > This i told them i dont have time to do, but i thoaght about what > if i gave > them the pattern for the beautifull stomacher i made on the yellow > stumpwork > dress? > Do you think readers would be interrested in this. They could not > wear it, > but they could frame it? > If you have the time for these questions, i would be very greatfull. > > Many thanks > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 12:02:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LH2m27006511 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:02:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LH1xOc024950 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:02:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LGmXaN058108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LGmTwG082227; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:48:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.141]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LGmOiF082063 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:48:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc2-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:48:19 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 08:48:19 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 16:48:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "TheRenaissanceTailor" , "GermanRenCostume" , "h-costume" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:46:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 09:46:31 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2007 16:48:19.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[1755E2F0:01C755D8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dressing Dutch/Dress in the Golden Age- Phoenix Art Museum 2/27/2007 7:00 PM Free! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd65cf35-5892-4ff7-9668-11f2ef54fb84 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DC7B07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:02:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi all, sorry for the cross posts. I will be doing another presentation at the Phoenix Art Museum on Dress in the Golden Age. This presentation is in conjunction with the current Dutch Masters Exhibit from the Rijksmuseum. http://www.phxart.org/exhibitions/rembrandt.asp Similar to the Queen Elizabeth presentation, I have recreated an upper class woman's and a young boy's garment for the presentation. http://saragrace.us/html/A1_GoldenAgeDressDiary_PAMPics.html I will be discussing Dutch costume in general and specifics of these two garments. http://www.phxart.org/events/lectures.asp#workshops Admission to the presentation is free, as is admission to the museum on Tuesdays! The Rijksmuseum exhibition is NOT free :). The museum does recommend people purchase their tickets in advance, as they are timed/dated, though they seem to have availability for walk-ups on Tuesday evenings. Last entry time on Tuesdays is 7:30. Tickets are $18 for adults, $8 children 6-17, and include audioguide. (If you go on another day than Tuesday, this will include admission to the rest of the museum.) Tickets are available online at Phxart.org; at the Museum's admission desk; or by calling 602-307-2090. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 12:34:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LHYm0j007451 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:34:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LHXse4026768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:34:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LHKZCL062558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:20:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LHKTZs016910; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:20:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LHKMPf016594 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:20:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:19:57 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l1LHJvP07026 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:19:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 21 Feb 2007 11:19:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:19:56 -0600 References: <200702211537.l1LFbYTx005981@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:19:44 -0600 Message-ID: <45DC2AD0.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200702211537.l1LFbYTx005981@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroidery magazine X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb5e9219-6394-41b3-ada9-9e31f1969cd5 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DC8282.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:34:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Maybe some of you would have the time to help me out. I find it a little difficult to find myself, and therefore i ask you. Country Bumpkins embroidery magazine Inspirations, is going to have an interwiev with me in their issue nr 55. They want me to send them 8-10 pictures of my work. Wich pictures do you think i should send them with the interwiev? Also for the later issue nr. 57 wich is going to be all about flowers, they wanted me to design an embroidered waistcoat for the readers to make and wear. This i told them i dont have time to do, but i thoaght about what if i gave them the pattern for the beautifull stomacher i made on the yellow stumpwork dress? Do you think readers would be interrested in this. They could not wear it, but they could frame it? If you have the time for these questions, i would be very greatfull. Many thanks Bjarne *********************************** This is awesome Bjarne, congratulations! I love Inspirations and can't wait for the latest issue. One of the local fabrics store chains has started carrying it but I have to be sure to check for it regularly. Their print quality is beautiful and should do justice to your work. Only 8-10 pics? I don't know how you are going to whittle it down, I'd have problems eliminating even one :). The stomacher for the yellow stumpwork is beautiful, perhaps the readers could use it on the back of a vest? Otherwise I would think any of your patterns for the purses would fit the theme too. Thanks for continuing to be an inspiration, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 12:49:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LHneIk007902 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:49:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LHmo89030895 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:49:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LHbh8r064899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:37:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LHbfe7035265; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:37:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LHbYFT035044 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:41:47 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: embroidery magazine Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:41:49 -0500 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B01B0DDF9@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <45DC2AD0.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: embroidery magazine Thread-Index: AcdV3xGL1PclEGoTS9mOey/R3OcCKAAAFKDg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2007 17:41:47.0637 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F773250:01C755DF] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l1LHbYFT035044 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cfeb1ebc-7113-4278-b47d-d1aa457cca66 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DC8603.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:49:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Catherine said it excellently - you are an inspiration, Bjarne. I am so sorry for the death of your budgie. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:20 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroidery magazine Hi, Maybe some of you would have the time to help me out. I find it a little difficult to find myself, and therefore i ask you. Country Bumpkins embroidery magazine Inspirations, is going to have an interwiev with me in their issue nr 55. They want me to send them 8-10 pictures of my work. Wich pictures do you think i should send them with the interwiev? Also for the later issue nr. 57 wich is going to be all about flowers, they wanted me to design an embroidered waistcoat for the readers to make and wear. This i told them i dont have time to do, but i thoaght about what if i gave them the pattern for the beautifull stomacher i made on the yellow stumpwork dress? Do you think readers would be interrested in this. They could not wear it, but they could frame it? If you have the time for these questions, i would be very greatfull. Many thanks Bjarne *********************************** This is awesome Bjarne, congratulations! I love Inspirations and can't wait for the latest issue. One of the local fabrics store chains has started carrying it but I have to be sure to check for it regularly. Their print quality is beautiful and should do justice to your work. Only 8-10 pics? I don't know how you are going to whittle it down, I'd have problems eliminating even one :). The stomacher for the yellow stumpwork is beautiful, perhaps the readers could use it on the back of a vest? Otherwise I would think any of your patterns for the purses would fit the theme too. Thanks for continuing to be an inspiration, Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 14:40:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LJdskV011028 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:39:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LJd0tS003127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:39:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LJPfiR082344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:25:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LJPQAL051738; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:25:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LJP2uL051129 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:25:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AAC8BA803A2; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:17:28 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery magazine Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:24:35 -0800 Message-ID: <001001c755ed$ebe2fc00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l1LJP2uL051129 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c992bbd-0bbb-427e-9fd4-e031cb0e483a X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DC9FD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:39:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I would love the pattern for the stomacher, if I was a reader, especially with your beautiful work as inspiration. And congratulations on being in the magazine! Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:41 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] embroidery magazine Hi, Maybe some of you would have the time to help me out. I find it a little difficult to find myself, and therefore i ask you. Country Bumpkins embroidery magazine Inspirations, is going to have an interwiev with me in their issue nr 55. They want me to send them 8-10 pictures of my work. Wich pictures do you think i should send them with the interwiev? Also for the later issue nr. 57 wich is going to be all about flowers, they wanted me to design an embroidered waistcoat for the readers to make and wear. This i told them i dont have time to do, but i thoaght about what if i gave them the pattern for the beautifull stomacher i made on the yellow stumpwork dress? Do you think readers would be interrested in this. They could not wear it, but they could frame it? If you have the time for these questions, i would be very greatfull. Many thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 14:46:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1LJkgbC011197 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:46:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1LJjmvj026590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:46:36 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1LJXHGY083549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:33:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LJXCtR059804; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:33:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1LJX8jj059723 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:33:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ACC0E030310; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:25:52 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery magazine Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:32:59 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c755ef$183ca200$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <008701c755c6$4ede5e30$a943a150@CPQ21932199711> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by net.indra.com id l1LJX8jj059723 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f0ba4aa-d56e-43f7-8591-ae64fb29c1cf X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DCA16C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:46:36 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Maybe the magazine could include your website, so people could see all of your work. 8-10 pictures will only give them a little taste. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:41 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] embroidery magazine Hi, Maybe some of you would have the time to help me out. I find it a little difficult to find myself, and therefore i ask you. Country Bumpkins embroidery magazine Inspirations, is going to have an interwiev with me in their issue nr 55. They want me to send them 8-10 pictures of my work. Wich pictures do you think i should send them with the interwiev? Also for the later issue nr. 57 wich is going to be all about flowers, they wanted me to design an embroidered waistcoat for the readers to make and wear. This i told them i dont have time to do, but i thoaght about what if i gave them the pattern for the beautifull stomacher i made on the yellow stumpwork dress? Do you think readers would be interrested in this. They could not wear it, but they could frame it? If you have the time for these questions, i would be very greatfull. Many thanks Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 20:24:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1M1OJdD021150 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:24:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1M1NO2e017781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:24:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1M19sdc033395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:09:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1M19mCg060907; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:09:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.142]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1M19iak060811 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 18:09:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25331 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Feb 2007 01:09:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HPvVXMYWkL0OSNsJTB/+TFmA89ONMclbwlPjiihHyLDJZWR3sxLQQSUJ2TlgSiI+SWN3v6+To3/40SnZXQhwt6/oZyDU3bAotqJbkOcOUHoup7qXl1ApKawGWDqs/tHRPv9QJeK0jT6OKNn7x3t9Swo7C2qZ61vZjiHazjFAlow=; X-YMail-OSG: OiPPOTgVM1mfQYKF2YIYnFxP24wLXEEh.uCU1M0KetJpe3Xz377G.UjtmchpiHNjpNQYT6b8vxRrCRKgtJrk1RP8ycHUZH.7hVGwdW8cTz6S2QZIX_wbUDhNxEfd9zPQ8KTd9iv0lgxeWtyItaw4aU5M_Ommb70XFw-- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:09:39 PST Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 17:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] what is your favorite magazine? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <59079.65.117.156.5.1172069962.squirrel@webmail.io.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <611729.24827.qm@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38747878-09bd-4012-999f-2175471cabd4 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DCF08C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:24:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO For me, I enjoy Sew News, and recently am enjoying Piecework magazine. I used to enjoy Threads a lot, but with the recent changes, I'm not getting as much out of it as I used to. I also used to enjoy drooling over Belle Armoire, but again, while the items in there are beautiful, it wasn't doing so much for me anymore. I still wish we had a good Costuming magazine, and was saddened when the one a few years ago just couldn't get off the ground. It showed some good potential, and I was about to subscribe when I heard it was gone. Kimiko Chiara Francesca wrote: What magazines do you all purchase whether or not you have the time to actually read them right there and then? 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Answers users. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 21 21:34:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1M2YisP023097 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:34:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1M2Xtk8016057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:34:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1M2Wjnt043237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:32:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1M2WgYI019768; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:32:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.74]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1M2WcFJ019728 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:32:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from achasedesign@peoplepc.com) Received: from [209.86.224.52] (helo=mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by smtpauth14.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HK3l7-00054R-NT for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:32:37 -0500 Received: from 207.235.21.107 by webmail.peoplepc.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:32:37 -0500 Message-ID: <13013748.1172111557743.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:32:37 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: AVC To: h-costume posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 3778a894565bd4435fbe5647b6c494ea89e6754a908ffd699921de7765a13256bd6a4a673191150fd10a8cb42d4530e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Subject: [h-cost] Thanks so much! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6511398-3c3d-4f4c-9379-2ea666889a1c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DD0113.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:34:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks to all of you who so kindly gave me source references for modern costume. It is just odd that I never had a show with these demands before and under the present conditions where I am. There is no real department store near and this theatre is in a very wealthy community; however, nearly every one goes casual. My characters are four women in federal prison for 'pink collar' crime who have a lot of money stashed outside from their endeavors. They own the warden, dress as they please, have the hair dresser in, and order out from gourmet restruants. My plan is dress them by personality. To me that dictates a range of looks. Again, thanks a bunch. Audrey Chase in the high boonies of Central Texas ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 22 13:23:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1MINDDj010491 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:23:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1MIMJUQ022121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:23:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1MIBMIC048342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:11:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1MIBCbH049654; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:11:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1MIB5l5049499 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 11:11:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200702221811.l1MIB5l5049499@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 30538 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2007 10:11:04 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 29978, pid: 30476, t: 9.4521s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:42/d:2533 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 22 Feb 2007 10:10:55 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:09:19 -0800 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Joan Jurancich Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Costume, clothing and images of life in the medieval and renaissance worlds - books from DBBC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0533b556-309f-4345-90fc-7713d8abda75 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DDDF5B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 13:23:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm on the David Brown Book Company email list. This note just arrived in my mailbox. I know that there are several (at least) members of h-costume who are interested in at least two of these books. Joan >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:38:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00) >From: ian.stevens@dbbcdist.com >To: joanmj@surewest.net >Subject: Costume, clothing and images of life in the medieval and > renaissance worlds - books from DBBC > >I have three books to mention today, all of which could interest >those who are excited by the medieval and renaissance world and, >more specifically, the clothing and costume of those times. > >Firstly, we have struck a deal with Italian publisher, Polistampa, >to take copies of a book they published a couple of years ago and >which sold out very quickly. It is about to be reprinted and we will >have copies in April (my guess). 'Moda a Firenze, 1540-1580' >presents a collection of illustrated essays in both Italian and >English on costume and fashion inspired by Eleonora di Toledo's >arrival at the Medici court. It's a stunning book, brimful of >illustrations. Secure your copy now, before it sells out again. > >Going back a millennium or so, we are also going to be handling >Penny Rogers' much-anticipated 'Cloth and Clothing in Early >Anglo-Saxon England'. The book is due to appear in the next month or >so in England and I am hoping we will have copies in April. > >Links to both the above titles are given below. We are giving as >much information as we can (tables of contents, sample pages etc.) >and we're also offering good introductory prices on both books. > >The third book is one I have mentioned before: The Luttrell Psalter. >We are selling the British Library's amazing new facsimile edition >and the introductory price of $650.00 is good until the end of >March. After that it will be $750.00. Again, a link is provided >below. It's pricey, but it's beautiful. Prompted by a couple of >customers (we do listen sometimes!), we have decided to offer the >book on a 'lay away' basis to spread the financial burden. Write to >me for details. But remember: the price goes up after March 31st. > >Three very special books. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:06:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hullo all! This is my first time posting anything to the list, though I've been lurking quite a while. I'm designing the costumes for my high school's production of Our Country's Good, by Timberlake Wertenbaker. If you don't know it--it's about the British convicts and soldiers sent to found a penal colony in Australia in 1789. There are several marines in the play--from rank of 2nd lieutenant to major, a navy midshipman, and the navy captain governor, an aborigine (not sure yet if this character will be played by a man or woman, which is a pain for designing the costume), several convict men, and five convict women. I was wondering if anybody here knew of any resources for researching the clothes of any of these sorts of people, or just happened to know stuff themselves. Much thanks! Cheerio, Anna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 22 18:14:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1MNE1EF017046 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:14:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1MND7Ts030981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:13:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1MNCJ4O034730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1MNCHZW074235; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1MNCDmE074097 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D02C323B for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:12:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45DE2347.2040807@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:12:07 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our Country's Good References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10fb782d-b3d4-4032-a0b8-7ad425b47c4f X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DE2383.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:13:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Anna Zola Piggie Rethie wrote: > British convicts and soldiers sent to found a penal colony in Australia in > 1789. I > was wondering if anybody here knew of any resources for researching the > clothes of any of these sorts of people, or just happened to know stuff > themselves. http://www.costumes.org/ That's a good place to start, look under "history by period" for the 1780's and you'll find a ton of images and links. The "ethnic dress" section might be useful for the aboriginal clothing. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 22 18:18:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1MNIlBn017153 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:18:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1MNHqcs027141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:18:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1MNH5vk035367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1MNH4rx078337; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1MNH0vG078302 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:17:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A2B710C9038C; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:09:43 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Our Country's Good Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:16:52 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c756d7$89afddb0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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They also used to rent costumes. At least, they would probably let you go and see them. Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Anna Zola Piggie Rethie Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:03 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Our Country's Good Hullo all! This is my first time posting anything to the list, though I've been lurking quite a while. I'm designing the costumes for my high school's production of Our Country's Good, by Timberlake Wertenbaker. If you don't know it--it's about the British convicts and soldiers sent to found a penal colony in Australia in 1789. There are several marines in the play--from rank of 2nd lieutenant to major, a navy midshipman, and the navy captain governor, an aborigine (not sure yet if this character will be played by a man or woman, which is a pain for designing the costume), several convict men, and five convict women. I was wondering if anybody here knew of any resources for researching the clothes of any of these sorts of people, or just happened to know stuff themselves. Much thanks! Cheerio, Anna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Feb 22 18:45:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1MNjtNP017712 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:45:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1MNj1Pm003366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:45:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1MNeRT7038359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:40:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1MNeN0G097460; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:40:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1MNeKLD097347 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:40:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bb9.1236e2b7 (39329) for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:40:06 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 18:40:06 EST Subject: Subject: Re: [h-cost] what is your favorite magazine? 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Also slightly addicted to the show photo reports on the website.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 10:33:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1NFXRFJ006961 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:33:27 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1NFWWj9011717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:33:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NFVLYB091884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:31:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NFV6Yu041990; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:31:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NEQn9m033217 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 07:26:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:26:20 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l1NEQK301622 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:26:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 23 Feb 2007 08:26:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:26:19 -0600 References: <200702221900.l1MJ0I1n005035@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 08:26:06 -0600 Message-ID: <45DEA51E.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200702221900.l1MJ0I1n005035@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More Moda a Firenze X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2aa3e15-c4e5-445e-bbf8-f091e56c5e2d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DF0910.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Box 3904 Kingston, New York 12402 Telephone: 1-800-527-6775 (845 331 8519) Fax: 845-331-0852 Email: mshamans@artbooks.com Url: www.artbooks.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 13:20:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1NIKFkR010751 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:20:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1NIJPHE008642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:20:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NI5EmF021848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:05:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NI5Bam013753; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.52]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1NI57bc013572 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:05:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 84107 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2007 18:05:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YtimZvS94DW2wtqSCQBNDSpum6nHnoONmqtkaDWcEjUKHk1HQ4ZuG6j7yuaTZELnS/bVyIOR/ubs2uR7TMCGUHUPohYy2MuMwXifBWRzjs7E0tN9MqeWWZscJaX+O5BCst9RzN8ZnlnVHQmVx7i/sZZgA90k0sULV7sml4TyQq4=; X-YMail-OSG: kTZEzZoVM1lhpoDYTP62ve2vcTGxBLtf9Qi6hnyo5FfY9OBSvfpXqmPDF0icAQ.35rQTFOHUvFn5.yRqVdjZbwl0BpCW3FTfCPQTkQGqubx7vOl_CT4IlzUqME9350PZkSQAO9Cehyjw Received: from [87.244.72.142] by web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:05:00 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:05:00 +0000 (GMT) From: julian wilson Subject: RE: [h-cost] Our Country's Good - songs & music for Anna To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001601c756d7$89afddb0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <715813.82610.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28b44ec6-beb4-464e-bdc3-b35d1f304bd8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DF302D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:20:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Dear Anna, whether or not this will be of any use to you, I don't know. However, a few year's back, the noted English Folk Singer and Song Writer Peter Bellamy wrote a highly- praised Folk Opera "The Transports" which contained 18 songs in traditional "folksong style" of the Times; - about the very first voyage to set up the Penal Colony in Botany Bay. Particularly, it has been much-performed and much-praised in Australia,as one might expect. The music & songs of this Folk Opera might be of interest to your Producer/Director. There is are several CD's, if you are interested. Topic Records TSCD 459 (CD, UK, 1992) is the version I have, but another CD Company produced a 25rg Anniversary Boxed set in 2004. Yours in Service Julian Wilson, [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker] 50 years a traditional Folk Singer. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Anna Zola Piggie Rethie Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:03 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Our Country's Good Hullo all! This is my first time posting anything to the list, though I've been lurking quite a while. I'm designing the costumes for my high school's production of Our Country's Good, by Timberlake Wertenbaker. If you don't know it--it's about the British convicts and soldiers sent to found a penal colony in Australia in 1789. There are several marines in the play--from rank of 2nd lieutenant to major, a navy midshipman, and the navy captain governor, an aborigine (not sure yet if this character will be played by a man or woman, which is a pain for designing the costume), several convict men, and five convict women. I was wondering if anybody here knew of any resources for researching the clothes of any of these sorts of people, or just happened to know stuff themselves. Much thanks! Cheerio, Anna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 14:13:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1NJDrpE012007 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:13:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1NJCxTW029615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:13:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NJCQOW033301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:12:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NJCJB1084131; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web27909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.182.59]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1NJCE4H083908 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from winifred_of_keyes@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 65547 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2007 19:12:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K8uEOWVicQdx5h6mo9ua7wjA71rtlG7hdp1XVnTCn2aMmd0kBkXDu3ohdQDuppV2URTnRfbXdBDTAssCf0NRxBuYKH6xDe1Eli1NkPHt8SP9q7l/AXpYiu58v8C9gdPd+B4ImC46dvwTQBb+nj5IA1m+8C7a9mh7NneldMTBVVI= ; Message-ID: <20070223191207.65545.qmail@web27909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SVRGQi8VM1mcS1FEXCNqjp8Jl75Bt7KIx0E2zFo_.9yBgbjd8ihNfioOm4.nuvsSQQ-- Received: from [86.22.94.74] by web27909.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:12:06 GMT Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:12:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Winifred of Keyes Subject: RE: [h-cost] Our Country's Good - songs & music for Anna To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <715813.82610.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eed0adfe-4ec3-4c31-b73e-6e8fec974bfa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DF3CBB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:13:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Greetings Sir Matthew I didn't know that in addition to your prowess at arms and woodworking you were also a songsmith. Perhaps you would be willing to grace our Summer Tourney with a song or two? Also, I'm hoping to start learning some medieval music and would really appreciate any assistance you might give. I've recently joined the Yahoo group for SCA bards - are you a member of that? Your servant Winifred --- julian wilson wrote: > Dear Anna, > whether or not this will be of any use to you, I > don't know. > However, a few year's back, the noted English Folk > Singer and Song Writer Peter Bellamy wrote a highly- > praised Folk Opera "The Transports" which contained > 18 songs in traditional "folksong style" of the > Times; - about the very first voyage to set up the > Penal Colony in Botany Bay. Particularly, it has > been much-performed and much-praised in Australia,as > one might expect. > The music & songs of this Folk Opera might be of > interest to your Producer/Director. > There is are several CD's, if you are interested. > Topic Records TSCD 459 (CD, UK, 1992) is the version > I have, but another CD Company produced a 25rg > Anniversary Boxed set in 2004. > > Yours in Service > Julian Wilson, > [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker] > 50 years a traditional Folk Singer. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Anna Zola Piggie Rethie > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 3:03 PM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Our Country's Good > > > Hullo all! This is my first time posting anything to > the list, though I've > been lurking quite a while. > I'm designing the costumes for my high school's > production of Our Country's > Good, by Timberlake Wertenbaker. If you don't know > it--it's about the > British convicts and soldiers sent to found a penal > colony in Australia in > 1789. There are several marines in the play--from > rank of 2nd lieutenant to > major, a navy midshipman, and the navy captain > governor, an aborigine (not > sure yet if this character will be played by a man > or woman, which is a pain > for designing the costume), several convict men, and > five convict women. I > was wondering if anybody here knew of any resources > for researching the > clothes of any of these sorts of people, or just > happened to know stuff > themselves. > Much thanks! > Cheerio, > Anna > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > "All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well." Julian of Norwich ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 15:49:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1NKn6Y9014263 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:49:10 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1NKmB1J016728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:48:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NKWj7Q049139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:32:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NKWa3V072122; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:32:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.159]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1NJEc0A086481 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 61904 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2007 19:14:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zxHG9a1Gb4F146V0XXHhiNiGhK/8U810ZEkRQrY86wUyt0McgRs///SpVexhxpuP2DFFBAh4a5SfCQXV/lTiYEbldh/k+4LRP2At/uVoTLVVbH5SdrOvMgdyKqj/icsbW5Jfnyg+wLXoex0rr/3yM4kxY7F3C2bNAxmCXJa6mpE=; X-YMail-OSG: SkHbt5IVM1ndAI8BWDFPugJYZBjjKP17QwvvOiVap3MJjHuly054L4KOlaD.YcAsPlyXw5LRbPsUrCzb.sb3xJeGznNn1TRevnHqIOiw2ZskaWtFOghL89aEpkj6mkvojPVshDpRcZ0Lnw-- Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:14:33 PST Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:14:33 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <267363.61609.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86dd00f5-b840-4914-85d6-c78a0c84605f X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DF530B.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:49:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, can someone recommend me a good book on medieval clothing with many (historically accurate) illustrations for inspiration? The pictures can be photos of real finds: garments, statues, painings, or simly re-drawn pictures. The period that interests me is 14th century, but other periods would be quite nice as well. Many thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 15:49:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1NKnVY5014274 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:49:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1NKmeHH003829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:49:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NKY3Fe049380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:34:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NKXxhq073646; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:34:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NJaSrg011666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:36:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.184] (209-148-118-184.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.184]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l1NJaQD7006969 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:36:27 -0800 Message-ID: <45DF423C.20809@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 11:36:28 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our Country's Good - songs & music for Anna References: <715813.82610.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <715813.82610.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2adcfa6b-abcd-465c-a9e2-461e624947cc X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DF5329.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:49:25 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks for the info--I just bought a CD set. I love "The Beggar's Opera," but didn't know of any other ballad operas. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com julian wilson wrote: > Dear Anna, > whether or not this will be of any use to you, I don't know. > However, a few year's back, the noted English Folk Singer and Song Writer Peter Bellamy wrote a highly- praised Folk Opera "The Transports" which contained 18 songs in traditional "folksong style" of the Times; - about the very first voyage to set up the Penal Colony in Botany Bay. Particularly, it has been much-performed and much-praised in Australia,as one might expect. > The music & songs of this Folk Opera might be of interest to your Producer/Director. > There is are several CD's, if you are interested. Topic Records TSCD 459 (CD, UK, 1992) is the version I have, but another CD Company produced a 25rg Anniversary Boxed set in 2004. > > Yours in Service > Julian Wilson, > [aka in the SCA as Matthew Baker] > 50 years a traditional Folk Singer. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 16:21:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1NLLIIo014922 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:21:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1NLKR9O011849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:21:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NL93AE097580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NL90H4009907; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:09:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NL8tw8009783 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:08:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03946 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:59:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:59:43 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures In-Reply-To: <267363.61609.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 113666bc-6409-42f4-8405-529637a21110 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DF5A9B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:21:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > can someone recommend me a good book on medieval clothing with many > (historically accurate) illustrations for inspiration? The pictures > can be photos of real finds: garments, statues, painings, or simly > re-drawn pictures. > The period that interests me is 14th century, but other periods > would be quite nice as well. A Visual History of Costume: The 14th and 15th Centuries, by Margaret Scott. All pictures, all primary sources, mostly sculptures and brasses. Focuses on England with some overlap into France. Out of print but worth finding via ILL. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 16:32:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1NLWvDu015317 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:32:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1NLVw7C019561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:32:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NLEHV9098491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:14:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NLEGGs015803; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:14:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NLECND015709 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:14:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03984 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:05:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:05:03 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures In-Reply-To: <949085.13303.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3c435a4-6f86-4841-9d1f-9d1c13bc98df X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DF5D4E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:32:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse > reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) There are hundreds of such manuscript reprints, too many to list unless you can cite a specific time/place. Some of these are art books called "manuscript facsimiles," which are page-by-page reproductions of full manuscripts. Others are art books about manuscript painting. Many are very expensive -- I know of two brilliant reproductions of the Manesse that are too expensive for my budget, but are in many libraries. (And it's online, too.) To get a good sense of what's out there, go to your nearest major library or university library and look in the *oversize* section under the subject heading of manuscript illumination or manuscript paintings. You'll find titles like "Manuscript Painting in the Court of France"; once you've found one, you'll find a shelf full. If you can tell us exactly what time and place you're interested in, we can probably point you to specific titles. I have about two bookshelves of manuscript facsimiles and collections of manuscript art that's mostly 14th and 15th c. English-French-Flemish, so you can see why I don't want to start listing here. But perhaps someone who already has their collection on Librarything would be willing to point Zuzana to a list of suitable books? (Wanda?) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 18:30:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1NNUOdj018228 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:30:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1NNTTLo006526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:30:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NKYgFf049487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:34:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NKYcrs074415; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:34:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.152]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1NKJKRr057636 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:19:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13511 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Feb 2007 20:19:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=F5GXwYCIfSaV75zpIhrSwoziYZ7V4N3IkkQ9wwFWiUhT2+COoSetl4mbfip8nzYitwWOqAlGjF6i1RCpzbLXw1R8aDjFz/iIYLNRUe++HEeI3STDkfsDrhlOZqZdsmBymbeADWNAx197FI0CkGQEMUDHm4PNd7Zabf6zb3JFAWY=; X-YMail-OSG: ByvzJMsVM1mkFBzcnRXN9o5sOlY1gu0FOVOPLIBTQmR_pMXxrZSCy3ht5R.t4LUdLx5UBfBjLH.6STlycOi75bd5Qy8Ru6plGdodDYwEN63UUhb4fuVuxRECjaVrcv9n_X.wJ_1l1xoMzk8- Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:19:14 PST Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:19:14 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <949085.13303.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14c19207-ba22-45f0-b010-a7fc350a1495 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DF78D9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 19:04:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O0462Z018947 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:04:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O03GQH004536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:04:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NNkC25021650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:46:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NNk7b8056624; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:46:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1NNk4Uu056523 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:46:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABC789D6ANT7GVA for (sender ); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:45:00 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgsVh/PW8/xgmg1RZQikRuz8= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MFA6W8CA; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:44:37 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:38:37 -0800 Message-ID: <20070223.154416.4020.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-65,68-70,73-77 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 28:14:1927798706 X-MAIL-INFO: 034d4dbdd50909d59590818484cdf4719dc1cd74807d04a119c11471600034a1b9f079f50dbd6009a13d50a1f5a500b4b4fda49999a4d1dd94d4d440a5f961a940b0512049d0e1a950f92d55f0d0b111612db1355425752d94c1356d24fd2154dddd8544440d813d3d8190ada59595e9ed14d901e9046019c10539018014f5597905bd8da5d571849580c9600d842d296409d5e1952020 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: antir-costumers@antir.sca.org, dm_list@shadowgard.com, antir-laurels@antir.sca.org Subject: [h-cost] some stellar finds from David Brown/Oxbow Books X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0329e4b-c316-4523-a7c4-50d05aea0ab4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DF80C4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:04:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Sorry to do this to your pocketbooks. Arlys > I have three books to mention today, all of which could interest > those who are excited by the medieval and renaissance world and, > more specifically, the clothing and costume of those times. > > Firstly, we have struck a deal with Italian publisher, Polistampa, > to take copies of a book they published a couple of years ago and > which sold out very quickly. It is about to be reprinted and we will > have copies in April (my guess). 'Moda a Firenze, 1540-1580' > presents a collection of illustrated essays in both Italian and > English on costume and fashion inspired by Eleonora di Toledo's > arrival at the Medici court. It's a stunning book, brimful of > illustrations. Secure your copy now, before it sells out again. > > Going back a millennium or so, we are also going to be handling > Penny Rogers' much-anticipated 'Cloth and Clothing in Early > Anglo-Saxon England'. The book is due to appear in the next month or > so in England and I am hoping we will have copies in April. > > Links to both the above titles are given below. We are giving as > much information as we can (tables of contents, sample pages etc.) > and we're also offering good introductory prices on both books. > > The third book is one I have mentioned before: The Luttrell Psalter. > We are selling the British Library's amazing new facsimile edition > and the introductory price of $650.00 is good until the end of > March. After that it will be $750.00. Again, a link is provided > below. It's pricey, but it's beautiful. Prompted by a couple of > customers (we do listen sometimes!), we have decided to offer the > book on a 'lay away' basis to spread the financial burden. Write to > me for details. But remember: the price goes up after March 31st. > > Three very special books. I hope we tickle your fancy. > > With regards, > > Ian Stevens > The David Brown Book Company > Tel: 1-800-791-9354 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 'Moda a Firenze 1540-1580: Lo Stile di Eleonora di Toledo e la sua > influenza' - by Roberta Orsi Landini and Bruna Niccoli > List Price: US$ 99.50 * Our Price: US$ 90.00 * > Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=48785&MID=12830 > > 'Cloth and Clothing in Early Anglo Saxon England, AD 450-700' - by > Penelope Rogers > List Price: US$ 39.95 * Our Price: US$ 32.00 * > Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=60262&MID=12830 > > 'The Luttrell Psalter: A Facsimile' - with an introduction by > Michelle P Brown > List Price: US$ 750.00 * Our Price: US$ 650.00 * > Link: http://www.oxbowbooks.com/bookinfo.cfm?ID=48244&MID=12830 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To change your user profile follow this link: > http://www.oxbowbooks.com/elist.cfm/Location/DBBC/EmailAddress/Cley%40jun o%2Ecom > > To unsubscribe from this list follow this link: > http://www.oxbowbooks.com/un_sub.cfm/Location/DBBC/MailingListID/12830/Em ailAddress/Cley%40juno%2Ecom > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 19:10:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O0ALv9019099 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:10:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O09WMF020316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:10:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1NNrGHr022482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:53:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1NNrFKu062150; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:53:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1NNrCR3062028 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:53:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABC789T3ALSMMZS for (sender ); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:52:25 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhguj8gV+9nJXTV7ImRabFjIY= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MFA7BF3D; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:51:18 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:47:26 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures Message-ID: <20070223.155028.4020.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-7,9-20 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 6:3:589396059 X-MAIL-INFO: 564530ed30208d95208d31898d3110e98074f0e1bd49740de591bd250df9b1710d00116945d4454d5431a98d4589 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3ec993d-b193-437b-90d7-a7411a4f15fa X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DF823C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:10:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO the Manesse Codex is available online. Just google 'Manesse Codex.' There's a wonderful version of it in the original German. All photos are thumbnails which can be enlarged. Much fun. :-) Arlys On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:19:14 -0800 (PST) Zuzana Kraemerova writes: > P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse > reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) > > --------------------------------- > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 19:30:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O0U04s019564 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:30:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O0T2G2031433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:29:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O0ED4a025097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:14:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O0EACi077615; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O0E4Mv077550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:14:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.244] (209-148-118-244.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l1O0E21p018440 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:14:03 -0800 Message-ID: <45DF834B.10706@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:14:03 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Belle Armoire X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bca66e0f-508d-4be8-8c13-f5aaba25ddb4 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DF86CE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 19:51:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O0ov2i020045 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:51:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O0o3OY029809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:50:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O0XafY027290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:33:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O0XZBJ091152; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:33:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O0XVCe091094 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:33:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=OnIVc8SMvb9xpb7NG03S1Y8iIOa7UUCeztyy27QDPOwPC5UKba2z0a0fezib+7c4; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.50] (helo=mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HKkqw-0005jb-JP for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:33:30 -0500 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:33:30 -0500 Message-ID: <6709248.1172277210488.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 16:33:30 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Belle Armoire Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c324274d90ac49d8a0bc68fbb56ceece7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 939ba1f6-74ce-46a0-9acd-158f48fc28e5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DF8BBB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:50:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Fran wrote: >Does anyone on h-costume subscribe to this magazine? I don't subscribe, but I pick it up occasionally as "eye candy" when I'm in the right mood. >I am somewhat interested but divided. I'd be interested if they were >showing sort of vintage looks, the kind of thing people put together out >of the good parts of several pieces of damaged vintage clothing and >trims. Is that what this magazine is mostly about, or not? Not. Or not exactly. It's about various sorts of "creative" things one can do with clothing, but original vintage clothing rarely enters into the process. You _might_ find some of what you're looking for in it -- it's not my area of interest, so I may miss things that would interest you. But on the whole, "creative" tends to win out over "nostalgic" in the project department. Sometimes projects are deliberately "aged" to look old -- but history has little to do with the process, other than as inspiration. The issue currently in my bathroom has articles on poly-clay jewelry, covered matchbox "purses" that look vaguely Japanese, crocheted hats embellished with all sorts of sparkly stuff, and I forget what else. Other issues have had articles on painting T-shirts, a covered-shoe challenge (not necessarily practical but more along the "embellish creatively" line), and various dyed, painted, pieced, pleated and otherwise embellished garments. >Also, how much do the projects depend on the use of rubber stamps, as >the publisher seems to focus a lot on those in their other magazines? They show up in maybe one project per issue, and not always that. Dyes, paints and poly clay are always big, though. ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 20:15:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O1FDQw020586 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:15:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O1ENDD023183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:15:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O0vKeB030326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:57:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O0ulCi007510; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:57:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O0tUUp006728 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 17:56:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.183] (acty1183.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.183]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426035C085 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:55:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <45DF8CFE.9020700@dandy.net> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:55:26 -0500 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures References: <949085.13303.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <949085.13303.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 298738c6-5351-49e3-82b8-2e31862813bb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DF916F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:15:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi, Zuzana. The book that you might be looking for is Minnesanger ; Achtzehn farbige Wiedergaben aus der Manessischen Liederhandschrift, by Kurt Martin Woldemar Klein Verlag, Baden-Baden 1953 (18 color illustrations from the Mannesse codex) I don't know of a copy of the whole manuscript, text and all, but that might get you started getting a library loan. Good Luck, Mike T. Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: >P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 20:32:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O1WZwp021016 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:32:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O1Vawp008905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:32:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O1F8uR032588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O1F7Vb020546; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O1F3S2020464 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 382E3394BE for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:15:03 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:15:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20070223.155028.4020.3.Cley@juno.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4610cef2-b8ca-4ab7-a1bf-ec928a74bddd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45DF9578.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:32:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I have a site ear marked http://www.tempora-nostra.de/tempora-nostra/manesse.php?id=203 De -----Original Message----- the Manesse Codex is available online. Just google 'Manesse Codex.' There's a wonderful version of it in the original German. All photos are thumbnails which can be enlarged. Much fun. :-) Arlys On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:19:14 -0800 (PST) Zuzana Kraemerova writes: > P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse > reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 23:01:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O40x7W024425 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:01:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O404W2010875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:00:53 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O3xXF8055761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:59:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O3xWwi041614; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:59:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.164]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O3Jnv0008041 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:19:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.92]) by bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:19:43 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:19:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.116.23.159 by BAY106-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:19:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.116.23.159] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <949085.13303.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:18:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:18:50 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2007 03:19:44.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[A12050B0:01C757C2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 810fd524-0529-4222-a2a4-095349bc678b X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45DFB844.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:00:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If you want a book, rather than a web site, go to Amazon DE. If you = scroll down to the very bottom of the search page on the U.S. edition of = Amazon, you will see a link for Amazon in Germany. Go there and put = Manesse Codex in the search field. The one that pops up first is Codex = Manesse. Die Miniaturen der Gro=DFen Heidelberger Liederhandschrift , = which seems to have all the miniatures (if I am deciphering the German = correctly) and costs 29 euros. Shipping of course will be expensive. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 23:07:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O47G58024591 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:07:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O46RWR017191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:07:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O3wvno055652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:58:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O3wrNt041100; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:58:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O3F3ZD004099 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4b.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.5]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JDY00LBV6CY2MM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.210] (Forwarded-For: 4.250.57.157, [10.240.3.210]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:14:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 03:14:58 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5e0cf4f-14d4-44ae-8e08-9c86b55cc0f6 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DFB9C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:07:10 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Robin, I am on the hunt for female Flemish 1420 - 1460 outfits,, I will gladly take any titles you wish to send me.. I am trying to focus primarily on houpelands (sp?). I am also trying to (dis)prove a theory that 'bagpipe' sleeves were only worn by men, not women. (like on one of the Magi in 'Adoration of the Magi' by Domenico Veneziano c1435.. - sorry can't find Url at this moment) Thanks for any info Katheryne From: Robin Netherton I have about two bookshelves of manuscript facsimiles and collections of manuscript art that's mostly 14th and 15th c. English-French-Flemish, so you can see why I don't want to start listing here. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Feb 23 23:32:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O4WTU0025353 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:32:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O4VdbR017071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:32:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O4UlAk060213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:30:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O4UjFO061362; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:30:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.194]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1O4UO4x061084 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:30:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21412 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2007 04:30:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=OIkCH3ofne35TihKM01NNHBBW1SYkr47xEI1Dg9smCD7Z+CqbY8RsQuCCSOvfkOgCxzXl5wet/IgwIUjjCvnqBR+H+V06INcawAaW2cxWPMDlWaywy+hrGaz6LYrk30E5aIv+Fir36PS+P4WHFZigaqFps72nH6W/BCcWDOpzx8=; X-YMail-OSG: PbEnG8gVM1mCgKczNgUPyLtqnvynkoB_ZuFD_f7ObVWLMG6pISupzCzFdm_k4c7hGShdbgHJs1VZ06RIo0kdydO2FXa2EZ15DF7SHRSg9hJfmi5WbnHjUimn8HvJDiTkNa0Uu.PL05VEdBY- Received: from [208.67.10.163] by web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:30:18 PST Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:30:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <644422.20486.qm@web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Fun with Dick and Jane X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8f9acf8-bfdf-4e59-be10-0ff8353ff85c X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DFBFAB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Travel to find your fit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O5S0LJ027092 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:28:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O5R6rD007809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:27:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O5H88l065339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:17:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O5H5QE090574; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:17:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O5H2Eu090545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:17:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1O5H1OV028649 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:17:02 -0800 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] More Moda a Firenze Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:20:14 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <45DEA51E.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 305a0907-765d-422a-aa5d-77eda308186e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DFCCAA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:27:55 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Get it now! I don't think that there will be another printing as the two companies that are bringing it out will probably feel that they have saturated the market for such an expensive book. Because Ian Stevens is My Man at Davis Brown books I made the same deal with them and bought the book about Anglo Saxon stuff as well. Yes I have a copy of the first printing, but the second should make a great wedding or Laureling Present! Regina Romsey > > I just had an update on my order with Michael Shamansky Booksellers > (contact info below). They are offering free shipping on Moda a Firenze > (anywhere in the USA) thru March 31, 2007. Their price is $90 and they > are expecting within the next 1-2 weeks. I think he said they are > getting theirs via airfreight. > > I could kick myself for not getting this when it first came out, the > reprint was great news, but that is not making the wait any easier :). > > Catherine > > Contact info; > Michael Shamansky, Bookseller Inc > P.O. Box 3904 > Kingston, New York 12402 > > Telephone: 1-800-527-6775 (845 331 8519) > Fax: 845-331-0852 > > Email: mshamans@artbooks.com > Url: www.artbooks.com > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 24 00:53:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O5r0Oc027962 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:53:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O5q5rs018905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:52:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O5fZ5P067353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:41:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O5fYlp004097; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:41:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1O5fUY8003995 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:41:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 88278 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2007 05:41:25 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GfmkQU//Mf6ryrsGzYFNqis8lpdJDSzBO+5oExUWf6Ok2YorIxUqS25rBMPi6mjKOHbZA/uBTP+K68gZWtgJy7CaXyFF66MIMdnF+B3QBszKM7jqMAKKQ2l/o0Z8m5yQXlTuRQp/HWnoUkShpZbQNueA8dqfqpnzMyr18XJxhnE=; X-YMail-OSG: O8it_dIVM1m_7v4ucyrIMKnJiZdO9IhEnijG8kyC7awPSnPX_1uiKPPuCLquELXvrKrF5ohZsmsuZEVYc9FVvH7ieo8ojgmUFc4zziGc8kufqK2_d5Jmuy4V.vRbiK3WziJbOMvcQAYVOfA- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:41:25 PST Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:41:25 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Belle Armoire To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <45DF834B.10706@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <200089.87190.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d56c34ac-9a6b-495e-ab38-649506197c6d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DFD286.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:52:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Fran, Pretty much what Chris said. Belle Armoire is modern art-to-wear garments, bags, jewelry, hats, etc. While they may discuss a vintage garment, it will be in relation to how a designer has updated it for their modern art pieces. And rubber stamps usually are used at least once per magazine, more or less. This is why I no longer buy it, and am looking at Piecework magazine instead. Kimiko Lavolta Press wrote: Does anyone on h-costume subscribe to this magazine? I am somwhat interested but divided. I'd be interested if they were showing sort of vintage looks, the kind of thing people put together out of the good parts of several pieces of damaged vintage clothing and trims. Is that what this magazine is mostly about, or not? Also, how much do the projects depend on the use of rubber stamps, as the publisher seems to focus a lot on those in their other magazines? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 24 01:18:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O6Iv4C028489 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:18:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O6I5MD031386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:18:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O6CIlu070127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O6CGKX021176; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:12:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O6CCEW021131 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 435BA35DF5 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:12:12 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:12:40 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2f14c69-270f-46d2-b450-2bc2e9227394 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DFD89D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:18:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO -----Original Message----- <<<(like on one of the Magi in 'Adoration of the Magi' by Domenico Veneziano c1435.. - sorry can't find Url at this moment)>>> http://tinyurl.com/yre32p Thanks for any info Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 24 01:25:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O6PMIv028619 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:25:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O6OSv1002164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:25:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O6HN3O070739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:17:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O6HLN5024538; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:17:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O6HHxd024480 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:17:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04949 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:08:10 -0600 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:08:10 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f32057f-fd79-4bb4-8d76-a9b66a6bc8a4 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45DFDA1C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:25:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 purplkat@optonline.net wrote: > I am on the hunt for female Flemish 1420 - 1460 outfits,, I will > gladly take any titles you wish to send me.. What a great period for artwork! Paintings as well as manuscripts. My very favorite manuscript for secular clothing of this period -- 200 images, all with realistic people, most secular, various classes -- is a coffee-table facsimile of a c. 1430-1440 Flemish ms of Bocaccio's Decameron, ed. Edmond Pognon, various editions/languages, 1978. I see 30 copies at abebooks right now, ranging from $6 to $40. There are other wonderful facsimiles from this period, but this will get you the most bang for the buck in terms of quantity of images for a low sum. That was part of a lovely little series of "Illuminated Manuscripts"; I got several for a song when they were remaindered in about 1979, including the "Tres Riches Heures," an Italian "Divine Comedy," and a splendid "Tristan and Isolde." (I skipped an Egyptian Book of the Dead and something Mayan.) > I am trying to focus primarily on houpelands (sp?). I am also trying > to (dis)prove a theory that 'bagpipe' sleeves were only worn by men, > not women. Not sure what you mean by bagpipe sleeves, but bag sleeves were plenty common on women. Look in Margaret Scott's Visual History of Costume: The 14th and 15th Centuries and you'll see English brasses and effigies with bag sleeves. And there's a nice bag sleeve in Hecyra, an image reprinted in Marcel Thomas's "The Golden Age" (a nice overview of manuscript paintings, one of several published by Braziller in, hmm, probably the 1970s). That one is online somewhere; I can't find the nice big version, but I see a small version of it here: http://www.umilta.net/terencechaucer.html First image on that page -- bag sleeves with fringe/dags down the outer seam, yum. > (like on one of the Magi in 'Adoration of the Magi' by Domenico > Veneziano c1435.. - sorry can't find Url at this moment) If you mean the magi who has a bag sleeve with a slit in the top, so he can put his arm out the slit or his hand out the cuff ... not sure if I've ever seen that particular variation on a woman but I wouldn't rule it out. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 24 01:26:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1O6QSZ7028635 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:26:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1O6PXVR013983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:26:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1O6IGgr070842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:18:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O6IFBj025099; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:18:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao103.cox.net (eastrmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.240.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1O6IBWr025025 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:18:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fernsandnettles@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070224061807.CTWO2219.eastrmmtao103.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:18:07 -0500 Received: from oemuserba0f5be ([70.160.72.213]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id TJJ41W00E4c6E3q0000000; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00e301c757db$8c54f1e0$d548a046@oemuserba0f5be> From: "Norayn" To: "H-costume-indra" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:18:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Medieval Book With Pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bb48b5e-4479-4381-b772-f8afd15937c1 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45DFDA5D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 01:26:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO a book I have found to be very helpful is ~` Millia Davenport's ~ the Book of Costume I found my copy (inexpensively) on EBay Here is a copy here; http://www.tiny.cc/1FRwE=20 Hope this helps . .=20 Vrederun FernsAndNettles@Cox.net Marinus _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 24 07:04:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1OC4s0U002450 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:04:54 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1OC44sN016601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:04:47 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1OC3CIS008741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:03:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1OC09IT039226; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:00:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1OC03UF039071 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 05:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Migrationbird@aol.com) Received: from Migrationbird@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d42.3044f19 (58550) for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:59:51 -0500 (EST) From: Migrationbird@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:59:51 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10502 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Our Country's Good X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab41ff44-a5e7-4da8-8ed8-13a3dc794354 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E029B4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:04:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 2/23/07 7:01:56 PM GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > I'm designing the costumes for my high school's production of Our Country's > Good, by Timberlake Wertenbaker. If you don't know it--it's about the > British convicts and soldiers sent to found a penal colony in Australia in > 1789. There are several marines in the play--from rank of 2nd lieutenant to > major, a navy midshipman, and the navy captain governor, an aborigine (not > sure yet if this character will be played by a man or woman, which is a pain > for designing the costume), several convict men, and five convict women. I > was wondering if anybody here knew of any resources for researching the > clothes of any of these sorts of people, or just happened to know stuff > themselves. > Much thanks! > Cheerio, > Anna > Hi Anna You can properly get these books on ILL Duck and Cabbage Tree (1967) later re issued as Clothes in Australia. By Cedric Flower. Pub. Kangaroo Press 1984 Costume in Australia By Marion Fletcher. Pub Oxford University Press 1984 I think this is the book that has a list of clothing provided to the convicts, both male and female Sorry book not to hand for checking. Breeches and Bustles An illustrated history of clothes worn in Australia 1788-1914 By Elizabeth Scandrett. Pub. Pioneer Design Studio 1988 Hatches Matches and Dispatches. By Rowena Clark. National Gallery of Victoria 1987 This has a nice picture of a wedding gown approx. 1789 that went out of England (not white it would do for day dress design) The Remote Garrison. The British army in Australia. By Peter Stanley. Pub. Kangaroo Press 1986. I can't recall if the marines are shown in this book. I don't have it to hand at the moment to check. The Dress of the British Sailor. By Admiral Sir Gerald Dickens. Pub National Maritime Museum 1957 A small paper back with pictures for sailor costume of 1737 1750 1790 1795 1798 and 1799 Australian Costume 1788-1988 For Teen Dolls. By Marjory Fainges. Pub Kangaroo Press 1987. I have included this for any one who has time to dress Barbie and Ken as a memento of the production. I hope this helps. Lots of luck with the production. Regards Joy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 24 15:53:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1OKrmR3017331 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:53:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1OKqroL002923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:53:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1OKqAhc084766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:52:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1OKq64g055372; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:52:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.153]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1OKq3TQ055283 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:52:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 40525 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2007 20:51:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eKVYCv0HJEqjsJKQFUCT5gCKmMqMqnrYmXys8UnUKO9uNw6q3zDdPBDQBpyNZYYG4BK2Az4sUDAjuGMTcDkKAJxlPfo5VnanBjSm4OSjgQWYTkHK+ArMU/pxqfx1ckdF9xCbvFu24oA2KUeVWeNsXrpI4CgzloCiEIkOCpiWs1A=; X-YMail-OSG: eHadEScVM1nuVaizoceDN17cRHO2uzjIgY2mnagJ.QNPLrn84Hz1k7mU7agOAA7xwK5F4uQ16GqS70bA2ZbrCrxiX1APeEtH_OAI7pvWS26CTzvXvrXopso7Ntc4tzEFpaRMvFrrjkToSdE- Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:51:57 PST Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 12:51:57 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <797778.40065.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0dfc0403-c5b3-44bd-b593-e7ef1385a7e7 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E0A5A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:53:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm just about to do a gown from the mid 14th century Bohemia-German, (could be France, too). It will be for a man from a lower aristocratic class. So that's why I'm looking for some inspiration:-)) Zuzana Robin Netherton wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse > reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) There are hundreds of such manuscript reprints, too many to list unless you can cite a specific time/place. Some of these are art books called "manuscript facsimiles," which are page-by-page reproductions of full manuscripts. Others are art books about manuscript painting. Many are very expensive -- I know of two brilliant reproductions of the Manesse that are too expensive for my budget, but are in many libraries. (And it's online, too.) To get a good sense of what's out there, go to your nearest major library or university library and look in the *oversize* section under the subject heading of manuscript illumination or manuscript paintings. You'll find titles like "Manuscript Painting in the Court of France"; once you've found one, you'll find a shelf full. If you can tell us exactly what time and place you're interested in, we can probably point you to specific titles. I have about two bookshelves of manuscript facsimiles and collections of manuscript art that's mostly 14th and 15th c. English-French-Flemish, so you can see why I don't want to start listing here. But perhaps someone who already has their collection on Librarything would be willing to point Zuzana to a list of suitable books? (Wanda?) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 24 16:06:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1OL6U3C017576 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:06:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1OL5aVW027863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:06:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1OL5Cgc086069 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:05:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1OL5BGT064178; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:05:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1OL58GH064145 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:05:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qzv7h6bTcu8MZ3sfZBZpp/YmNVQfdY9Ub0n18TeZA/URwITlVEgqEB1zRpcQT2Aa; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.101.42.55] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HL44q-0001XB-Bt for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:05:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <797778.40065.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <797778.40065.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <46C20BFF-2722-4D59-8205-7EC2367A9B88@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:08:09 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478933a066fbd22db83e428a94baa28d7018ba71e2628e8cee8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.101.42.55 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fcd71f44-e1d3-4c16-997f-80e8cce5fadc X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E0A8A0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 16:06:24 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Feb 24, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I'm just about to do a gown from the mid 14th century Bohemia- > German, (could be France, too). It will be for a man from a lower > aristocratic class. So that's why I'm looking for some inspiration:-)) > If you think that surviving garments from early 14th c. Bohemia might help you in this research, look into the burial garments of King Rudolf I of Bohemia. If you go to my surviving garments database online and simply select: (Modern) Country of Garment = Czech Republic, all the items currently in the database with that characteristic are the Rudolf grave garments. I don't know how easy the cited pubications will be to track down, but they include cutting diagrams and lots of pictures as well as descriptions. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Feb 24 23:42:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1P4gJmJ027493 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:42:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1P4fT2K022245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:42:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1P4KqRn088462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:20:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1P4KmZG035480; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:20:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.9]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1P4KiJF035408 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:20:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-62-55.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.55.62]) by pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l1P4KbO3004962 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:20:37 -0600 Message-ID: <45E10E9B.5040609@wideopenwest.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 23:20:43 -0500 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20061206) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080805040907050204000400" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: Mamma Mia! 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Main Street Royal Oak, MI 48067 (248) 541-0010 http://www.habermanfabrics.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 25 11:55:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1PGtau9027694 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:55:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1PGskrS008313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:55:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1PGsDvx094048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:54:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1PGs6vj054457; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:54:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.160]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1P9WP4o007310 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 02:32:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27013 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Feb 2007 09:32:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=k6J53CZgMJG0MepypqriklcH2ApJpb+6RffWwpXfVbOiBpb0VnoODnA2qsH0u4BuJ++3wjOxb5d0zeWPo2Wcetrrvli6y5p43AsjGM+Obi3RTBrlgPI+jIKnbyYW8zNrhqvGatGVTIYG1OE4L8qQjxDr55jq+UK1z0S9mnp+Ysc=; X-YMail-OSG: qM49I6YVM1mkvMEmjThlMxPv9xd5.um4KMPSg27GvT8zHqahsUgPd9kyMIKnn3UxjHHoQzmY9KekchwwEgbR5Mp1mbgYZsbsYv0bwG0kb9d2NTDpwmfeh.3Ir1rcIjRq.MBz2mOtJzXIxTE- Received: from [212.24.150.227] by web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:32:19 PST Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:32:19 -0800 (PST) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <46C20BFF-2722-4D59-8205-7EC2367A9B88@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4893.22596.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47318e08-82f9-4c58-aff7-1c50c8f05d6f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E1BF56.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:55:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thanks for that link! I didn't know someone has done such a research about surviving garments... I think this won't help me much directly in this project, but it'll surely help me in the future:-)) Heather Rose Jones wrote: On Feb 24, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > I'm just about to do a gown from the mid 14th century Bohemia- > German, (could be France, too). It will be for a man from a lower > aristocratic class. So that's why I'm looking for some inspiration:-)) > If you think that surviving garments from early 14th c. Bohemia might help you in this research, look into the burial garments of King Rudolf I of Bohemia. If you go to my surviving garments database online choosegarment.php> and simply select: (Modern) Country of Garment = Czech Republic, all the items currently in the database with that characteristic are the Rudolf grave garments. I don't know how easy the cited pubications will be to track down, but they include cutting diagrams and lots of pictures as well as descriptions. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 25 14:13:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1PJDFmA031214 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1PJCPKc000623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:13:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l1PJ6Nbn004402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:06:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1PJ6KDL071929; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:06:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1PJ6Gt4071747 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 12:06:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070225190605.XHSB11932.fep33.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:06:05 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.123]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070225190605.KGVV1666.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:06:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c75910$21165910$7b43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:06:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.67.123] at Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:06:01 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk jersey knit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c201017-2ed8-4b35-9045-f4036b9eecfb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E1DF9A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 25 15:16:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1PKGQTs032619 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:16:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1PKFVPW028639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:16:19 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1PK8S8B031421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:08:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1PK8NKA027600; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.167]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1PK8Jkj027484 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 13:08:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.32]) by ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070225200813.KKIS5292.ispmxmta06-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:08:13 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.32]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070225200813.GWZS19592.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:08:13 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20070225135621.028693c0@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:08:08 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures In-Reply-To: <200702251900.l1PJ0493066085@net.indra.com> References: <200702251900.l1PJ0493066085@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f44a1c95-e67e-413f-8991-451fd69159e4 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45E1EE63.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:16:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO You may also find this website from the Czech Republic of interest http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/obsah.htm Beth At 01:00 PM 2/25/2007, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:32:19 -0800 (PST) >From: Zuzana Kraemerova > >Thanks for that link! I didn't know someone has done such a research about >surviving garments... I think this won't help me much directly in this >project, but it'll surely help me in the future:-)) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 25 19:09:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1Q09QjG005674 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:09:26 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1Q08V3V002793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:09:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1Q07ncn028449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:07:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1Q07h9b006037; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:07:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1Q07e8R006017 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:07:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m227.in-tch.com [216.166.191.227]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l1PNs2612790 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:54:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002301c7593b$6127f6a0$e3bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c75910$21165910$7b43a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk jersey knit Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:16:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8cc6280-f1d3-433b-a033-be44cd046ad4 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E224FF.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:09:20 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Probably....I don't do gentleman's clothing (or 18th century, although I dream of some day having a gown or two), but I'd think that the silk knit would do fine. I know that, during the period about which I know the most (16th c. England), there were both knitted and woven-cloth hose, so if I were going to use something like silk jersey, I'd probably base them on extant examples. You might have to play with bits of it, to test for stretch, etc. Silk's not the most resilient of fibers, and I've never had any that was knitted as fine as a jersey, so I don't know how the non-stretchy silk and the stretchy knit construction would interact around your ankles, etc. I'm determined to make myself a pair of "Eleanor" stockings some day, and I haven't been in a yarn store, yet, that hasn't tried to talk me out of doing 100% silk--most recommend a blend, without understanding the whole recreationist thing.... --Sue in wintery Montana, where she's given up on Spring, and *bought* herself a pot of blooming crocus this afternoon.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] silk jersey knit > Hi, > Found out James Hare has silk jersey and i wondered do you think i could sew > gentlemens stockings from this? > 18th century? > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 25 20:12:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1Q1CTIp007082 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:12:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1Q1BYjW022663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:12:23 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1Q1Ar6M070432 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:10:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1Q1Ald2046050; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:10:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1Q1Ahip045957 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 18:10:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tartanwaffle@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so519972wra for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:10:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Pwf6yVb7Aasgd9VOVLKl2WxAwzbgTPjew00IXSDaOYOGU0C2IvAq8dmAB2OlzDz1eRu2xKO4oW4PgeyWmKewRiDFsownyjDW5Q1N+/675xQok0puYar87dcxAMdsRN+zR8RZMFLP/n4FSTtL2faf7uMDXQWdTiz9uhH83BWQIpc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=X6TvRnv8G6bGAAUG9s03mpiSAKyvSAkBd0bs1U/Xku9Bw/1ksx7UcI6NPeh/3u75HSSA6Z5/0OZlpBpv8RbZ9byaejzcXHTkoFzCzDl02w1EaXvmO4orEwfltnRosftetumcIyxZFZTjvCG1V5On0Y+kUIvvBLlEyO63zGH2rDw= Received: by 10.114.110.1 with SMTP id i1mr1908293wac.1172452242025; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:10:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.77.3 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:10:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:10:41 -0800 From: "Anna Zola Piggie Rethie" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Our Country's Good X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a26dd73-026d-4f33-9fb1-a34267c7ca4d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E233C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:12:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > > Hi Anna You can properly get these books on ILL > Duck and Cabbage Tree (1967) later re issued as Clothes in Australia. By > Cedric Flower. Pub. Kangaroo Press 1984 > Costume in Australia By Marion Fletcher. Pub Oxford > University Press 1984 I think this is the book that has a list of clothing > provided > to the convicts, both male and female Sorry book not to hand for checking. > > Breeches and Bustles An illustrated history of clothes > worn > in Australia 1788-1914 By Elizabeth Scandrett. Pub. Pioneer Design Studio > 1988 Hatches Matches and Dispatches. By Rowena > Clark. National Gallery of Victoria 1987 This has a nice picture of a > wedding gown > approx. 1789 that went out of England (not white it would do for day dress > design) > The Remote Garrison. The British army in > Australia. > By Peter Stanley. Pub. Kangaroo Press 1986. I can't recall if the marines > are > shown in this book. I don't have it to hand at the moment to check. > The Dress of > the British Sailor. By Admiral Sir Gerald Dickens. Pub National Maritime > Museum > 1957 A small paper back with pictures for sailor costume of 1737 1750 > 1790 > 1795 1798 and 1799 > Australian Costume 1788-1988 For Teen Dolls. By Marjory Fainges. > Pub Kangaroo Press 1987. I have included this for any one who has time to > dress > Barbie and Ken as a memento of the production. > I hope this helps. Lots of > luck with the production. Regards Joy Oh, indeed, that's tremendously helpful. I've ILL'ed them all, hopefully they won't take ten years to get here. Thanks to everybody who's responded to this. My plan for the marines is to chop up a bunch of red wool blazers and modify them so they're pretty and redcoatty. I've got a navy-type coat, and some fall-front navy pants, for our midshipman. I've also got an 18th century-ish dress and a corsetty-thing which I plan to dye. Whoever used to be in charge of costume was not really big on the historical accuracy thing, but I mean to change that. The overall costume design is due March 12th, and the one thing I don't have a fixed idea about is the aborigine. Does anyone know any books or othe resources about the aborigines in general that would have helpful information or pictures? Much thanks, Anna -- >From Her Royal Majesty, Anna Zola Piggie Rethie, Queen of Cheese _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Feb 25 23:14:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1Q4EfjC010585 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:14:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1Q4DpWc005490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:14:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1Q4DFWj097039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:13:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1Q4DBD4060042; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:13:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1Q4D70S059997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:13:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l1Q4LWbQ025115 for ; Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:21:33 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Moda a Firenze Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:21:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200702252321.41227.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fec6bbb-11ab-4386-aa95-cf278d770a30 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45E25E7F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:14:35 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Saturday 24 February 2007 12:20 am, Wanda Pease wrote: [snip] > Because Ian Stevens is My Man at Davis Brown books I made the same deal > with them and bought the book about Anglo Saxon stuff as well. Yes I have > a copy of the first printing, but the second should make a great wedding or > Laureling Present! If you mean the second edition of Gale Owen-Crocker's "Dress in Anglo-Saxon England", I agree! You won't be disappointed. I had the 1st edition when I bought my copy of the second edition of the book, and the 2d edition has so much more information, it almost seems like a totally different book. On the other hand, Penelope Walton Rogers's "Cloth and Clothing in Anglo-Saxon England" is not yet out, though Ian just sent me e-mail claiming that "it's getting closer".... -- Cathy Raymond "A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity." --Robert Frost _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 26 16:09:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1QL9XVT010654 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:09:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1QL8cT2030819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:09:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1QL7iq4030783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1QL7MwU039836; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:07:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1QGDiVx098944 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:13:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cdd.b80e150 (48338) for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from WEBMAIL-MB12 (webmail-mb12.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.160]) by ciaaol-d02.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD026-bcd245e307241dd; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:13:24 -0500 References: <200702251900.l1PJ0494066085@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:13:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200702251900.l1PJ0494066085@net.indra.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: tearoses@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Received: from 68.143.196.38 by WEBMAIL-MB12.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.160) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:13:24 -0500 Message-Id: <8C927D82CDECA34-1488-1128@WEBMAIL-MB12.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.160 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: medieval book with pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b3d9182-9397-4dd3-9eba-8e3698ce21d3 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E34C56.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:09:27 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Can anyone make some similar recommendations for the sixteenth century? I'm especially fond of England and Flanders between 1530 and 1580, but anything from about 1470 to 1600 interests me as well. I have a copy of the German Housebook and Holbein's Dance of Death, which are really cool, but I'd love to know of anything else out there. Tea Rose Robin Netherton wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse > reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) There are hundreds of such manuscript reprints, too many to list unless you can cite a specific time/place. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 26 18:24:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1QNOWhQ014474 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:24:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1QNNgAw000372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:24:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1QNMZXY063782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:22:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1QNMSDM085772; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:22:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.238]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1QNMOGp085732 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:22:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 57so320217wri for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:22:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oBpEY/UOEPlJyrGZ6+DVjKQm4z5VtRaOxgv78eG5W9xP07zAV9duzJzkklk1v0nmzKzY7S5Fd7OV0stoKVQ7vU9TH8p8nuu7NaO24iBZnxng/v3mfoi1sKvcDkYSNJ3RleiRY4UqYWp26+SGRhA+m3uobj57JdexNivlVkLluvM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=akoDgo5VUDcDZlHgy4J4eqMDCRG9+7Z0ixV4jrdFCwVBe/I7nh1zvnG9JWBws7koEbSRwX48AyIKMNj84w7LEfnmk7nhFONdp11RIt4jO/hoK2wHjVR4oQSyB+D8qFSV1CPVYC7IXW4DJuLK7EwoKEiwliba4uSf+d1maLV2Qf0= Received: by 10.114.26.1 with SMTP id 1mr54803waz.1172532142864; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.61.16 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:22:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8296995c0702261522r5597e439s9670bd3c1d7b24e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:22:22 -0800 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: medieval book with pictures In-Reply-To: <8C927D82CDECA34-1488-1128@WEBMAIL-MB12.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200702251900.l1PJ0494066085@net.indra.com> <8C927D82CDECA34-1488-1128@WEBMAIL-MB12.sysops.aol.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9146659b-d7a7-4b21-8287-a260c76ff087 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E36BFF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:24:26 -0500 (EST) Status: RO If you can find it, English Icon is fabulous for the period you want. I believe it's by Roy Strong (it's at home, I'm here and I haven't looked at it for a while). The up side: it's got practically every portrait you've ever wanted painted in England in the 16C. The downside: that it's been out of print forever, it's hard and expensive to find and it's all in black and white. I lucked out and bought a first edition from someone's library before they put it up for sale several years ago. Even then, it was pricy. Good hunting, LynnD On 2/26/07, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone make some similar recommendations for the sixteenth century? I'm especially fond of England and Flanders between 1530 and 1580, but anything from about 1470 to 1600 interests me as well. > > > > I have a copy of the German Housebook and Holbein's Dance of Death, which are really cool, but I'd love to know of anything else out there. > > > > Tea Rose > > > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > > P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse > > reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) > > There are hundreds of such manuscript reprints, too many to list unless > you can cite a specific time/place. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 26 19:51:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1R0pCgB017330 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:51:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1R0oMIg011839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:51:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1R0n1SN079414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:49:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1R0mloc062873; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:48:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1R0micT062705 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JE300JG0JKYECN0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:48:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:48:27 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: medieval book with pictures In-reply-to: <8296995c0702261522r5597e439s9670bd3c1d7b24e4@mail.gmail.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d5ddf74-1663-478b-9a10-74a72c8ae81f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E3804E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:51:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO 16th C. English: Queen Elizabeths Wardrobe unlocked.Has a lot of B&W detail pics 16th C Florentine: Moda di Firenze These are both "clothing oriented" but both have tons of pics. You can also look on line and find thousands of pics in museums and art sights. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lynn Downward Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 6:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: medieval book with pictures If you can find it, English Icon is fabulous for the period you want. I believe it's by Roy Strong (it's at home, I'm here and I haven't looked at it for a while). The up side: it's got practically every portrait you've ever wanted painted in England in the 16C. The downside: that it's been out of print forever, it's hard and expensive to find and it's all in black and white. I lucked out and bought a first edition from someone's library before they put it up for sale several years ago. Even then, it was pricy. Good hunting, LynnD On 2/26/07, tearoses@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone make some similar recommendations for the sixteenth century? I'm especially fond of England and Flanders between 1530 and 1580, but anything from about 1470 to 1600 interests me as well. > > > > I have a copy of the German Housebook and Holbein's Dance of Death, which are really cool, but I'd love to know of anything else out there. > > > > Tea Rose > > > > Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > > > P.S.: If someone knew of a manuscript such as the codex manesse > > reprinted in a book, it would be very nice:-)) > > There are hundreds of such manuscript reprints, too many to list unless > you can cite a specific time/place. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 26 21:18:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1R2IIL4020583 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:18:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1R2HSXX011318 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:18:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1R2GM29093460 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:16:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1R2GGgV034172; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:16:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from centrmmtao05.cox.net (centrmmtao05.cox.net [70.168.83.79]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1R2GCGs034006 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:16:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fernsandnettles@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20070227021606.YXAP20915.centrmmtao05.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:16:06 -0500 Received: from oemuserba0f5be ([70.160.72.213]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id USG41W00T4c6E3q0000000; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:16:06 -0500 Message-ID: <00ab01c75a15$3f5533f0$d548a046@oemuserba0f5be> From: "Norayn" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200702251900.l1PJ0493066085@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20070225135621.028693c0@mail.alltel.net> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:16:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Subject: [h-cost] Re: medieval book with pictures X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c69b5f14-f13e-4c1c-affb-71c9379a0b8e X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45E394B8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you, Vrederun ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth and Bob Matney" > You may also find this website from the Czech Republic of interest > http://www.kostym.cz/Anglicky/obsah.htm > Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Feb 26 23:29:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1R4TZ75024083 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:29:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1R4Sexv011547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:29:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1R4S5YS014901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:28:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1R4S1v4035308; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:28:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1R4RwV9035260 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 21:28:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=dQxa/QuFXE1YpIFWLZcdfFqL/04nNRYUsx2OZxnOiLIY/TcMxyN1ZtqiXSZS3F/4; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.235] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HLtwU-0004oc-3n for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:27:58 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070226222338.03b22ac0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:28:21 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200702261902.l1QJ20Eh094241@net.indra.com> References: <200702261902.l1QJ20Eh094241@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53933a066fbd22db836f2572581d1be10220f6d8d61a82d914350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.235 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Silk jersey X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13dade6a-7dcd-4e61-b45d-44e119c88ba7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E3B378.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:29:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Once upon a time, I had a couple of silk jersey T-shirts. From what I remember about them, the stretch and recovery were pretty good. Granted, there is more movement and stretch needed in stockings. The neat thing about the T-shirts was that they were so light, it almost felt like you weren't wearing anything, but they added warmth to a simple shirt worn over them. Sandy At 01:02 PM 2/26/2007, you wrote: >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:06:58 +0100 >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Subject: [h-cost] silk jersey knit > >Hi, >Found out James Hare has silk jersey and i wondered do you think i could sew >gentlemens stockings from this? >18th century? > >Bjarne > >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:16:35 -0700 >From: "Sue Clemenger" >Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk jersey knit > >Probably... You might have to play with bits of it, to test for >stretch, etc. Silk's not the most resilient of fibers, and I've never had >any that was knitted as fine as a jersey, so I don't know how the >non-stretchy silk and the stretchy knit construction would interact around >your ankles, etc. >--Sue in wintery Montana, where she's given up on Spring, and *bought* >herself a pot of blooming crocus this afternoon.... "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 27 01:58:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1R6wc95027228 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:58:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1R6vm61027348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:58:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1R6vBGa032235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:57:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1R6v8fK041665; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:57:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1R6v46R041528 for ; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:57:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 93067 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2007 06:56:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qg7HFlNX+3vHfX12FOvxZbbL8HDhmYRm+XQZU4/XNhQreIK+KAOF4YGokRoKe8CvmLJQ+HIFlI8xXPr7775jOYWl5o1Xud0dxSbohYdHrSf+3s/rBNH/2Cu/X5ElH+QmYY+Rpn/prytCXNVxV/zQdlhiixMa0khuaHEErlj6QFs=; X-YMail-OSG: tnTZGYgVM1lCcJcyfCypAyeV38g2DT8RFbaoyuOy3FWvMmVQcner_fG.USQxkLoXKcira2HhkTuJsNT8M6vm7vi1gV6cxR45XebTW0BIr1ozy0pVux9VAfzz4F26pe1__4FyNgaLVEw.ZGo- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:56:56 PST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:56:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <824875.92652.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1530s Tudor kirtle & gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74ecb8a3-f537-4ea4-bdd0-5feb48c271e5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E3D66C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:58:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi all, {sorry for the crossposting} I finally got the photos for my Tudor kirtle & gown processed, and they are now up for viewing. I will do a writeup later, when my head is back on straight. http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/1530sTudor The photos were taken so I could better see what was going on, so I can then make adjustments. Like, right now I don't like the pleats I made (done in a rush), so they will be remade, once my weight goes down a bit (sometime before October is when I need to do that). I also normally wear a placard over the front, but took it off since I haven't finished the hooks & eyes (or proper pinning) to hold that in place. So now you get to see the raw front, which is also period to wear it that way, like when one is pregnant. I also need to make a better lace. But overall, I like the look, even as big as I currently am. Sadly tho, the outfit no longer fits as I've been loosing weight since I finished the whole thing. Ah well, it will be refitted later. Kimiko --------------------------------- Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 27 10:37:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1RFbeTZ003764 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:37:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1RFaoU0030495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:37:33 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1RFZqxo000513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:35:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1RFZiiO015952; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:35:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1RFYfkj014959 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A317EC3FE0 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:34:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45E44FB7.7030502@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:35:19 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1530s Tudor kirtle & gown References: <824875.92652.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <824875.92652.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db8de15f-4f23-4939-8ab1-3411b9124c7e X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E45012.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:37:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi all, > > {sorry for the crossposting} > > I finally got the photos for my Tudor kirtle & gown processed, and they are now up for viewing. > http://www.kimiko1.com/dressdiaries/1530sTudor Lovely outfit. I love the fabric in the peach colored undergown. I searched all over for something just like that for my wedding dress. What kind of fabric is it, and where did you find it? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 27 13:59:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1RIxBPV008791 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:59:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1RIwGQh028849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:59:04 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1RItWjC052849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:55:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1RIsiXw021186; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:54:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1RIkKhn012367 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 11:49:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73994 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Feb 2007 18:46:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DYEUSdm7oM4R1gNu0z7ROSSgGaF712gS6cYLj08ue/p5IbPrXdblK12T0+1brmY58vKfUnEJTtI3yXV3pdUCvxpeUXBee04neQb8z4RdYt6RCw4pd5bj6cTr1cPCI3ebzHmhvKQOadepcREP5SkDR+C3cI7MLq7cCK1CXvyKaSA=; X-YMail-OSG: fYBXA7MVM1mLIKmC47RyErxBQO69us8yyk6S7kHKYcUKFmS9h0OhhYzdIpBijXgMpQ-- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:46:13 PST Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:46:13 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1530s Tudor kirtle & gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <45E44FB7.7030502@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <27103.71702.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dadf374f-de49-4658-a31e-c7921667e442 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E47F48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 13:59:05 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thank you Dawn. The peach colored fabric is a changeable taffeta in gold and peach. I bought it from http://www.renaissancefabrics.net/ , but I don't know if she has anymore. I have seen similar colored silk taffeta fabric from www.denverfabrics.com from time to time. And someday I will have matching foresleeves. I just need to wait until my weight loss is done. Kimiko Dawn wrote: Lovely outfit. I love the fabric in the peach colored undergown. I searched all over for something just like that for my wedding dress. What kind of fabric is it, and where did you find it? Dawn --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 27 14:14:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1RJE3F1009155 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:14:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1RJD4iQ012848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1RJ121l053765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:01:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1RJ0tmR028253; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1RJ0ljK027967 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:00:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070227190040m1400pl6ale>; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:00:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46C20BFF-2722-4D59-8205-7EC2367A9B88@earthlink.net> References: <797778.40065.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46C20BFF-2722-4D59-8205-7EC2367A9B88@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <35DC5460-C767-4B3C-9CF3-07F42A2D4B5F@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] medieval book with pictures Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:00:39 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6a2b3bd-97e8-4b23-9837-5b84a62cb3ce X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E482C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:13:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Heather, I had not known about your data base before, and just ran my first search on it. WHAT an amazing tool! Thank you for providing this! Best, Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Feb 24, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Heather Rose Jones wrote: > > On Feb 24, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > >> I'm just about to do a gown from the mid 14th century Bohemia- >> German, (could be France, too). It will be for a man from a lower >> aristocratic class. So that's why I'm looking for some >> inspiration:-)) >> > > If you think that surviving garments from early 14th c. Bohemia > might help you in this research, look into the burial garments of > King Rudolf I of Bohemia. If you go to my surviving garments > database online choosegarment.php> and simply select: (Modern) Country of Garment > = Czech Republic, all the items currently in the database with that > characteristic are the Rudolf grave garments. I don't know how > easy the cited pubications will be to track down, but they include > cutting diagrams and lots of pictures as well as descriptions. > > Heather > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Feb 27 18:14:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1RNENEu015810 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:14:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1RNDSWt005102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:14:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1RNCHVo006338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:12:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1RNC4Xr095745; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:12:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1RNBvlE095533 for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:11:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d2d.6fd14ec (39331) for ; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:11:42 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:11:41 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 95 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1975af5-d787-4b32-a36c-f5e7d942e570 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E4BB18.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:14:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I've used it for stockings before, a couple of times (not *strictly* accurate, but it works). Not sure how long they last, but I've never had any complaints. Debs In a message dated 27/02/2007 20:26:19 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: >Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 20:06:58 +0100 >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Subject: [h-cost] silk jersey knit > >Hi, >Found out James Hare has silk jersey and i wondered do you think i could sew >gentlemens stockings from this? >18th century? > >Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 28 10:36:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SFZvas015392 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:35:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1SFZ2s1020800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:35:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SFUehj020587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:30:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1SFUW2K030385; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:30:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1SFUKvJ030145 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:30:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.205.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.205] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HMQl0-0007FC-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:30:19 -0500 Message-ID: <45E5AE29.9060509@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:30:33 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ISO Polish 16th-17th c. info and contact X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb068b53-7713-46c2-9b62-5fd01f31b7f1 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E5A126.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:35:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Greetings, I know someone who is having trouble finding sources for research Polish and Lithuanian dress 1550-1650. He has the Irina Turnau book and images from the Balthasaris Behem manuscript and a few paintings. In particular, he is researching clothing of the noble class, but not that of the court. What he needs is ways to find more info and color images of clothing from this time, place, and social class, and more importantly, someone who speaks Polish who can direct him to sources of information on the topic. Books, websites, museums--all suggestions are welcome. Any Polish-speaker who can direct him to more info would be most appreciated. Please reply to me privately at melanie@faucet.net. Many thanks, Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 28 12:40:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SHeYes020439 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:40:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1SHddAI008516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:40:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SHcPPP002267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:38:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1SHcGE4060817; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:38:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l1SHcCRn060651 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:38:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2251 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Feb 2007 17:38:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cB1B3O2p8NK3S7VewA2C+Ie9eixuPN7rBzNTegSGym9U//glgMCkXh6YliZVwN0eMa7Ddsm8nECJhFS9THoqG0GJTVNez4AASYCPdCv+IZ+G8145VxPkIHARG3C/lcRvumK3UgNaavbC8bpeZZeLRM3eWvOsuYw7n7cOGVRIrZk=; X-YMail-OSG: WHljhoYVM1mdTGrF2x2tHHstw1d2YBaCyCfq5HWXamhJ4qX.Oj2PJ8jles7lpTFEO_tc5XgltN_mnypVXZ4JsGE3uqXGbH3DbeFuW.8DAdv5_2UP.h5vPw-- Received: from [74.61.133.176] by web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:38:06 PST Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:38:06 -0800 (PST) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <952421.2021.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Trying to find fabric from last year - somewhat OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4fd5904-f28a-46c7-9e90-0289ab184a03 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45E5BE5B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:40:28 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm trying to find some decorator fabric that was part of Joann's 2005/06 collection (pre-Christopher Lowell). Last year I bought just enough of this fabric for my wedding dress/sideless surcotte from Joann's decorator fabric department. I would love to find more, however that must have been a very popular color as I can find the fabric at Joann's, but none left in the right color. I've googled every way I can think of, and come up with similar things, but without a swatch I don't want to buy. I don't want to cut up my wedding dress, but have discovered that we chose virtually the same color in paint for our living/dining room trim and I would love to make some throw pillows and accessories from the same stuff. I thought I wrote it down correctly in my notes - but am not sure. It is a cotton, jacquard/brocade 54" fabric called either Zemadia or Zemaida - but could be with an 'N' - Zenadia and the color is blueberry. It does not look like what I would consider "blueberry" color, it is definitely blue, but not a purplish-blue. Does anyone have any ideas/resources/suggestions? Thanks Annette T --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 28 13:44:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SIi4SP022822 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:44:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1SIhELd019505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:43:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SIfHUt014633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:41:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1SIf146030881; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1SIeuOF030669 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:40:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55092C431E for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:40:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45E5CCB5.2070905@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:40:53 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to find fabric from last year - somewhat OT References: <952421.2021.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <952421.2021.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c1aad88-c99c-45da-864f-2eea36d1f80f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E5CD42.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 28 15:18:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SKIJ5K026243 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:18:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1SKHOD4013747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:18:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SKGlPP031632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:16:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1SKGfNG038012; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:16:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1SKGaVE037809 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.197]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070228201630.LLJN4530.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:16:30 -0600 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.197]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070228201629.TFUL6240.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:16:29 -0600 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.0.20070228140954.02983530@mail.alltel.net> X-Sender: bmatney@mail.alltel.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:16:22 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200702281900.l1SJ0DU4052845@net.indra.com> References: <200702281900.l1SJ0DU4052845@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-cost] ISO Polish 16th-17th c. info and contact X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5e66806-d1aa-4dfe-91c2-863c68a5fd50 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E5E354.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:18:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO This bibliography may help: http://www.faena.medievaltextiles.org/biblio.html Beth >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:30:33 -0600 >From: Melanie Schuessler > >I know someone who is having trouble finding sources for research Polish >and Lithuanian dress 1550-1650. He has the Irina Turnau book and images >from the Balthasaris Behem manuscript and a few paintings. In >particular, he is researching clothing of the noble class, but not that >of the court. What he needs is ways to find more info and color images >of clothing from this time, place, and social class, and more >importantly, someone who speaks Polish who can direct him to sources of >information on the topic. Books, websites, museums--all suggestions are >welcome. Any Polish-speaker who can direct him to more info would be >most appreciated. > >Please reply to me privately at melanie@faucet.net. > >Many thanks, >Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 28 18:10:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SNA2PO031710 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:10:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l1SN9B7e005733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:09:55 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1SN7jof002570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:07:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1SN7S6B004259; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:07:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l1SN7MSI004145 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:07:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.48.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.48] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HMXtJ-00025k-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:07:22 -0500 Message-ID: <45E61948.2050402@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:07:36 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-cost] ISO Polish 16th-17th c. info and contact References: <200702281900.l1SJ0DU4052845@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20070228140954.02983530@mail.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0bda6b2-749d-4093-b093-537661e3aa73 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E60B97.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Feb 28 20:44:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l211ieLR003135 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:44:41 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l211hogC017412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:44:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l211hI2j015198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:43:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l211hCqf020169; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:43:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l211h8sf020040 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:43:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (failure[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070301014306m1200j6db2e>; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 01:43:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <952421.2021.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <952421.2021.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <597952231db2e8b8ba14068bf8c776e0@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to find fabric from last year - somewhat OT Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:42:55 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 651aba6f-f475-4b66-8996-2e5904bea044 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E62FD6.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:44:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I assume you asked someone at Joanns if they could locate it? Sylvia On Feb 28, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Kahlara wrote: > I'm trying to find some decorator fabric that was part of Joann's > 2005/06 collection (pre-Christopher Lowell). > > Last year I bought just enough of this fabric for my wedding > dress/sideless surcotte from Joann's decorator fabric department. I > would love to find more, however that must have been a very popular > color as I can find the fabric at Joann's, but none left in the right > color. I've googled every way I can think of, and come up with similar > things, but without a swatch I don't want to buy. > > I don't want to cut up my wedding dress, but have discovered that we > chose virtually the same color in paint for our living/dining room > trim and I would love to make some throw pillows and accessories from > the same stuff. > > I thought I wrote it down correctly in my notes - but am not sure. > It is a cotton, jacquard/brocade 54" fabric called either Zemadia or > Zemaida - but could be with an 'N' - Zenadia and the color is > blueberry. It does not look like what I would consider "blueberry" > color, it is definitely blue, but not a purplish-blue. > > Does anyone have any ideas/resources/suggestions? > > Thanks > > Annette T > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume