From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 1 08:19:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l21DJwo3016412 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:19:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l21DJ2Sh017725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:19:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l21CvR9D040482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 06:18:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l21CcfxQ062630; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep05.xtra.co.nz (fep05.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.241]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l21Ccbl4062543 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 05:38:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([125.238.20.63]) by fep05.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20070301123830.GFFG24836.fep05.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 01:38:30 +1300 Message-ID: <007201c75bfe$868b85e0$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200702281900.l1SJ0DU4052845@net.indra.com> <6.0.0.22.0.20070228140954.02983530@mail.alltel.net> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 01:38:33 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Extant Rennaisance Spanish Dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f8f74a4-8cb4-4cb3-80b8-0168f2cc5e1d X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E6D2C6.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:19:51 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hello all, I have just updated my website dealing with renaissance spanish women's garb. Recently I came across several new images of extant garments and found new URLs to some older links, which I hadn't yet uploaded... oops;) http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm I'm trusting the provenance for the Isabel de valois and Isabel Clara Eugenia gowns are well established, but they do seem genuine if altered. The Isabel de Valois (red) is particularly inspiring for me as I have just made a new jerkin in red and am thinking of finishing the skirt and adding sleeves and embroidering the heck out of them all;)! Also of course I now am just itching to get to Spain as well as Germany to seek all these hidden treasures. I also came across many new portraits which I'll slowly add to my site as I go. If you are curious I have already posted them to my costuming journal: http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com (if anyone happens to come across this in an h-cost mail archive it will be around the 28th Feb-1st March 2007.) Several of these are Dutch and it is tempting to add yet another setion to my site;) Michaela de Bruce http://costumes.glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 1 13:40:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l21IeS7E026038 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:40:32 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l21IdWbT000947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:40:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l21IQm4S001558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:37:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l21IKEmC073426; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:20:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l21FP08W082407 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:25:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter80.comcast.net ([204.127.197.180]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070301152455m1400hmgfqe>; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:24:55 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter80.comcast.net; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:24:55 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Extant Rennaisance Spanish Dress Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:24:55 +0000 Message-Id: <030120071524.7167.45E6F046000F019400001BFF22007601800809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: effdd023-3a53-4448-9763-decca6b0f194 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E71DE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:40:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I could go all day just looking through your site! Fabulous! Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "michaela" > Hello all, > > I have just updated my website dealing with renaissance spanish women's > garb. Recently I came across several new images of extant garments and found > new URLs to some older links, which I hadn't yet uploaded... oops;) > http://sayaespanola.glittersweet.com/extant.htm > > I'm trusting the provenance for the Isabel de valois and Isabel Clara > Eugenia gowns are well established, but they do seem genuine if altered. The > Isabel de Valois (red) is particularly inspiring for me as I have just made > a new jerkin in red and am thinking of finishing the skirt and adding > sleeves and embroidering the heck out of them all;)! Also of course I now am > just itching to get to Spain as well as Germany to seek all these hidden > treasures. > > I also came across many new portraits which I'll slowly add to my site as I > go. If you are curious I have already posted them to my costuming journal: > http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com > (if anyone happens to come across this in an h-cost mail archive it will be > around the 28th Feb-1st March 2007.) > Several of these are Dutch and it is tempting to add yet another setion to > my site;) > > Michaela de Bruce > http://costumes.glittersweet.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 1 18:37:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l21NbFgc001731 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:37:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l21NaKTO011285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:37:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l21NZICR002130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:35:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l21NZ7Ni091714; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:35:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com (bay2-f252.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.246.77] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l21NZ48q091591 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:35:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.22]) by bay0-omc1-s5.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:34:58 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:34:58 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:34:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <952421.2021.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to find fabric from last year - somewhat OT Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:32:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:32:58 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2007 23:34:58.0915 (UTC) FILETIME=[39C19B30:01C75C5A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d67fc00-59a9-4ca9-b456-3724c60bfd29 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E76374.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 2 02:13:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l227DcH1016187 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 02:13:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l227Chvj029493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 02:13:31 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l227C9uw020112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 00:12:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2276aIP012689; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 00:09:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.144]) by net.indra.com (8.13.6/8.14.0) with SMTP id l226xXJF009091 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 00:02:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 55483 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2007 06:59:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZTCiwiAOfdMvUatcWqh5/8WL6NcYq4zc8PunsOA6HVYyXBUwDCNGm0bu6WQNs8/yj8Jl5ojNqsNgRlAUm19l17WRPmFrSfwIf7JeZHNahruCJ4BBPbpPrMGUtQMb3+cIlUzMalqUhWa8jknHvey6K/rUWFIFkU1qpHJLe5JY2dI=; X-YMail-OSG: 6kjjzE0VM1mggeWQ4LZetCq.2sPUwLU4WId7neF.uXVJSqXKSWP18Hv4tidOIrMJ3DDY3kn6.Jnsb4rg0OkBN_m7v._6K_eJx7E4mWGHL6ldSTCTvIX2nyv1t_uK_o9MfIku5egSPUR5llo- Received: from [121.44.68.207] by web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:59:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/468 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.8 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: Bella To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <635403.55322.qm@web31515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A New Book to Look Forward To. :-) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: caf80e71-3114-4391-8e97-60fa46a862d1 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E7CE6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:13:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oops. I cross-posted this yesterday but forgot to post it here! I thought I= 'd give you all the heavily abridged version though. :-) If you have any qu= estions, just ask!=0A=0ANew costume book in the works - a translation of Ce= sare Vecellio's costume books of 1590/98.=0A(The e-mail I received from Ann= Rosalind Jones just a few hours ago. "Tita" is Margaret Rosenthal, both au= thors are professors of Comparative Literature...)=0A=0A"Ah, Bella!=0A=0AOf= course, Tita and I have seen your website. Nice to meet you, if only by em= ail.=0A=0AThames and Hudson will be the distributor of our book everywhere = except in the US, where it'll be distributed by WW Norton. You'll love the = version T and H are doing--it includes 100 color images, many from portrait= s of people wearing the specific garments named and described by Vecellio--= whose commentary is fascinating on many levels. He mentions textiles, color= s, accessories, ideal body types . . . lots of things that'll interest you.= I just wish it were coming out sooner--but fall 2009 sounds like the earli= est likely date. Tita and I are now collecting tranparencies and permission= s for the images. What a task!=0A=0ADo, by all means, tell your costume all= ies about the book. I could send you some snippets from our translation now= , if you'd like. Just let me know if there are particular figures in the Do= ver that you'd like to read V's descriptions of.=0A=0Aall best,=0AAnnie"=0A= =0AOk. THAT should explain why I was hyperventilating, even if it's not tha= t exciting to anyone else........LOL.....Of course I'm going to say 'yes, p= lease' to her offer, and I will keep you all posted. :-)=0A=0AHere's the ni= tty-gritty, and remember you heard it here first!=0A=0AMargaret Rosenthal; = The Clothing of the Renaissance World: Cesare Vecellio's Costume Book (1590= /1598), edited and translated with Ann R. Jones (Thames and Hudson, forthco= ming 2007), including introduction, technical glossary and notes.=0A=0AThe = mouth-watering article that will give you a better idea of what the book is= all about: "Translating Fashion: Customs and Clothes in the Age of Explora= tion, By Laura Wolff Scanlan"=0Ahttp://www.neh.gov/news/humanities/2005-01/= translating.html=0A=0A=0A=0ABella=0A=0ASend instant messages to your online= friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 2 12:24:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22HOXh3023405 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:24:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l22HNcdf012820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:24:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22HMs3J051569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:22:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22HMgnJ033901; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:22:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l22HMbS9033729 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:22:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1188 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Mar 2007 17:22:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qcB05H+cbDgvezdc0v6YYOMZSBT8r1xtDKgwn0qCQI5d5SpwyKhPfZixjGIFD1Oo63wO3bUdUbT8ulVPsNoFvkVV9fuTKwt5wQEwGjsQZWBxdH84FU4egrH9DW3R1fiQ9rxH2xCZBuPdzRYR3foWjRVg680cj/16VxDhn8PAlTw=; X-YMail-OSG: 51d5gmEVM1mP0sAdbSnNxgESavhYiQDU3t8G33sI_6bFz.Y1QSmUVcH0qvR.7fdTKxBvpdd1zSqdnjwV5jLm2YN85arvwAXiVoT6nwbK21w7og9s.LWwx3Shg2GkyAFuwVIIx7EOfoUiJGcRS14LHRRE Received: from [208.67.10.163] by web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:22:32 PST Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:22:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <453984.816.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Last Year Fabric-OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f99a300-c0e1-4c38-82d5-2a2227abbd39 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E85D9A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 2 14:40:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22JeDRM026330 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:40:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l22JdN10013807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:40:06 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22JcfIo098139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22JcZSp084480; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:38:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao04.charter.net (mtao04.charter.net [209.225.8.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22JcVjJ084321 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:38:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa04.charter.net ([10.20.200.156]) by mtao04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070302193822.GUS27354.mtao04.charter.net@aa04.charter.net> for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:38:22 -0500 Received: from Maxwell ([66.215.25.135]) by aa04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070302193821.SDSL1432.aa04.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:38:21 -0500 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:38:29 -0800 Message-ID: <000b01c75d02$5b09b8b0$8719d742@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C75CBF.4CE8C2A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdcjuV3lWRWe2vHT9eXq4P1WMICywABUnpQABryS6A= Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000E4C13F60C1AC604DBD08546B758F1937C4067601 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Your work wanted for a Tudor Fashion TV special X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cba2ad5-10f2-4ac2-aee6-ffea78ee2bd2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E87D6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:40:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C75CBF.4CE8C2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, All -- Forgive me for repeating what some of you already know, if you also = belong to the Tudor Tailor and TV/Film yahoo groups we've been talking all = week, I want to extend this invitation to one and all.=20 I'm looking for good, clear photographs of you and your work for = possible inclusion in an upcoming 1/2 hour national cable TV special on = Showtime's new original series, "The Tudors," starring Jonathan Rhys Meyers as a = young Henry VIII.=20 Things I'm interested in seeing:=20 1. Images of you or others in Tudor garments you've created -- = particularly Tudor royalty: Henry VIII, Anne Boleyn, especially. But a Charles = Brandon would be fantastic, too.=20 2. Strong, clear images of you or others as re-enactors that feature the costumes. 3. Any photos of you incorporating Tudor-inspired fashion or accessories = in contemporary day to day life.=20 4. Any photos of costume or art-to-wear inspired by the Tudor fashion or Henry VIII=20 =20 5. Links to your Tudor-related websites or businesses. These images will be used to illustrate a segment on how Tudor fashion = is still alive and well -- and thriving -- centuries after Henry VIII. = Because there is a strong dedication to authenticity and historical accuracy in these groups, I want to make this point and I need supporting images to prove it. I can't guarantee your work will make it into the show or even into the final edit and we can't pay you. However, we WILL give you an on-screen credit and national exposure to millions and millions of viewers. And = I'll make sure you get a DVD of the fashion special for your own archives.=20 The special will being airing in April -- first on The Style Network. = Then possibly on the E! channel. And also on Showtime "On Demand" and = probably Showtime itself.=20 LEGAL STUFF: You'll be given a Rights and Clearances release form to = sign, giving us permission to use your images. Please note that if there are recognizable faces in your photos, you must also get those people to = sign a release as well.=20 DEADLINE: Now, basically. I'd like to have your submissions as soon as possible. By Wednesday, March 7th would be ideal, but if you have = something terrific and need more time, that's fine. Let us know what's coming. At = this point, feel free to send a sample image. . . but ultimately, the final product needs to be e-mailed, put on a CD or scanned and submitted as a .jpg, .gif or TIFF file at least of moderate size. Horizontal shots = work better for TV than vertical, but we can make anything work.=20 HOW TO SUBMIT: Please see the boring technical details below. Cat = Devereaux is my Project Coordinator and will be handle the nuts and bolts on the submission process using a mail box address that can handle the traffic. (Yahoo isn't the best way to do this.) =20 SUBMISSIONS TO: e-mail: tudorfashion@alleycatscratch.com=20 =20 Thanks, Everyone.=20 Mary Jo Supervising Sr. Writer/Producer, Special Features SHOWTIME NETWORKS INC. P.S. If you'd like to see a few teaser trailers for "The Tudors' series itself, here are two different ones:=20 #1 http://www.sho.com/site/vip/home.do?source=3Dfeb12_blogs =20 Click on red bar that says "Watch Now." Password is Sneak Peek Click Submit #2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=3DSGAXQPVMSx4 =20 P.S.S. If you want to talk more about Tudor style and Tudor fashions in today's world, please come join us and chat over in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvfilmcostuming/ . Would love to get = your feed back, inspirations and ideas. *************************************************************************= *** *********** THE BORING TECHNICAL DETAILS for the Tudor Fashion Special by = Showtime... PICTURE FORMATS We will take your photos anyway we can get them. We would prefer you = send us the images or links, but they may be mailed or CD, or if no scanner = is available, photos mail be mailed. PHOTO SIZE should be 720 x 480 pixels and above. =20 *** To figure out what size your images are.... right click on your = mouse and look at "properties", then "dimensions" for the pixels. If = confused... just drop us a line at tudorfashion@alleycatscratch.com or send us the = photo and we'll check for you. If the area of interested (people in costume) is only in the center... = then the photo should be big enough so we can chop it down to that size. Too = big is OK.... being better safe than sorry... though prefer you don't send a = 5mb picture. We've setup almost a gig of space to take care of these = photos, so we won't blow up anyone's personal inboxes. Photos do not need to be centered. We can fix that. But they do need = to be sharp and in focus. =20 WEB LINK: You may also just send a web link as long as it meets size and permission criteria. Do not send a page reference without specifying WHICH picture/s specifically you're submitting. If SCANNING a 4x6 or 5x7 -- make sure the photo is clean. Scan moderate = to high rez, 150 to 300dpi, whatever you can manage to get enough pixels. Bare minimum is 72 dpi, but that needs a bigger pic. If you need to send it on CD, ask for an address off list. HARD COPY: If you need to send in hard copy of your photos, please write = us to make arrangements. Please try to send a duplicate. We plan to just = scan and send them back... but no guarantees can be made. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ALSO INCLUDE WITH EACH SUBMISSION (All the boring legal stuff...) Group contact on the photo: - Legal Name: - Name to use: - E-mail address: - Mailing address: - Exact name of the photo: - Where/Event (optional): - General info (just background for the folks selecting photos, who = you're playing, any fun info etc): For each person in the photo AND the person who has rights to release = the photo... - Legal Name: - Name to use: - Description of which person they are in the photo: (Personal information will be kept confidential.) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WHAT TO SUBMIT As mentioned above, we are looking for both hardcore Tudor as well as Renaissance Faire/SCA Tudor outfits. Non-peasants. Anything that celebrates the era royally. (Upper-class OK.) =20 If you've got close up of Tudor style jewelry or accessories that might = play in fashion today, we want to see it. Rings, necklaces, etc... throw = those on a scarf and photograph them for modern fashion takes on "Tudor = Style". Also, any art-to-wear or fantasy costume pieces that celebrate the Tudor = era and style. Include detail shots if applicable.=20 Don't forget, we'd also like links to your Tudor-related websites or businesses +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WHERE TO SUBMIT Please send your photo/s to tudorfashion@alleycatscratch.com . Send = any extra questions to this address as well. Anything at all ++++++++++++++++++++ PERMISSIONS You do not need to have signed permissions yet, you just need to know = that you can get permission to use the photo and of the folks in the photo by next week (or shortly there afterwards). Any face that is = 'recognizable' needs to be able to OK their own image.) So, basically we're doing = honor system here at this point to speed selection along. If the photo is selected, you will be receiving an official release from Showtime. There are no guarantees on anything. Accepted photos may or = may not be used. (Note: initial selection does not guarantee the picture = being in the final cut.) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hey folks, despite the couple of hoops, needed... please do take a = moment and submit your costumes and accessories. Encourage your friends and = sewing circle companions to join too. It's a great chance to share your art = with the world. Please feel free to forward... - Cat Devereaux - Project Coordinator =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C75CBF.4CE8C2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C75CBF.4CE8C2A0-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 2 14:48:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22JmFd6026554 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:48:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l22JlK8V026423 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:48:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22Jktqj000118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:46:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22Jks2o092480; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22Jkms4092393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:46:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.167] (209-148-118-167.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.167]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l22JkT4T017941 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:46:40 -0800 Message-ID: <45E87F13.9090200@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:46:27 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your work wanted for a Tudor Fashion TV special References: <000b01c75d02$5b09b8b0$8719d742@Maxwell> In-Reply-To: <000b01c75d02$5b09b8b0$8719d742@Maxwell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47940f1e-a837-40b3-85ca-fd129673af50 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E87F48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:48:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > Forgive me for repeating what some of you already know, if you also belong > to the Tudor Tailor and TV/Film yahoo groups we've been talking all week, I > want to extend this invitation to one and all. What is the TV/FILM group and how do I reach it? Thanks, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 2 15:59:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22Kx7IT028001 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:59:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l22KwCFh030199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:59:00 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22Kvcre018977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:57:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22KvWDY062495; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:57:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22KvTBO062359 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:57:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.92]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:57:23 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:57:23 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:57:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [75.44.59.10] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <45E87F13.9090200@lavoltapress.com> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your work wanted for a Tudor Fashion TV special Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:57:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Mar 2007 20:57:23.0772 (UTC) FILETIME=[607707C0:01C75D0D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2d077dd-cf12-4909-bbf0-16a52d761e2d X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45E88FE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:59:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Fran, Here's the link, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvfilmcostuming/ The history (all of about 2 weeks) is too complicated for me to go into right now, but it has the potential to be very interesting, even after the current "The Tudors" buzz dies down. Laurie >From: Lavolta Press >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your work wanted for a Tudor Fashion TV special >Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:46:27 -0800 > > >>Forgive me for repeating what some of you already know, if you also belong >>to the Tudor Tailor and TV/Film yahoo groups we've been talking all week, >>I >>want to extend this invitation to one and all. > >What is the TV/FILM group and how do I reach it? > >Thanks, > >Fran >Lavolta Press >http://www.lavoltapress.com > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1&FORM=MGAC01 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 2 17:16:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22MGp6M029652 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:16:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l22MG07K010143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:16:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22MFJEb038359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:15:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22MEUAn035283; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:14:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22MDtOH034806 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:14:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 02 Mar 2007 22:03:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAADow6EXUSnIwk2dsb2JhbACPKAEBAQEHDgwellUBAQE Received: from 88-107-112-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.112.10]:3564 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HNFqv-000PNf-5A for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:03:49 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070302220218.0360b0d8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:03:50 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your work wanted for a Tudor Fashion TV special In-Reply-To: <000b01c75d02$5b09b8b0$8719d742@Maxwell> References: <000b01c75d02$5b09b8b0$8719d742@Maxwell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90, clamav-milter version devel-120207 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 308f1c5c-40d9-49be-9316-757805111f43 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45E8A221.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:16:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 19:38 02/03/2007, you wrote: >Hello, All -- > >Forgive me for repeating what some of you already know, if you also belong >to the Tudor Tailor and TV/Film yahoo groups we've been talking all week, I >want to extend this invitation to one and all. > >I'm looking for good, clear photographs of you and your work for possible >inclusion in an upcoming 1/2 hour national cable TV special on Showtime's >new original series, "The Tudors," starring Jonathan Rhys Meyers as a young >Henry VIII. > >Things I'm interested in seeing: > >1. Images of you or others in Tudor garments you've created -- particularly >Tudor royalty: Henry VIII, Anne Boleyn, especially. But a Charles Brandon >would be fantastic, too. > >2. Strong, clear images of you or others as re-enactors that feature the >costumes. > >3. Any photos of you incorporating Tudor-inspired fashion or accessories in >contemporary day to day life. > >4. Any photos of costume or art-to-wear inspired by the Tudor fashion or >Henry VIII > >5. Links to your Tudor-related websites or businesses. Is this solely for American costumers or can anyone play? Suzi English Costume Maker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 2 18:13:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22NDHG6030921 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:13:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l22NCRAl006100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:13:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22NC0UY052414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22NBvmd088826; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:11:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l22NBsRl088756 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:11:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.28.64] (core-dc-3-64.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.28.64]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l22NBlA6021676 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:11:48 -0800 Message-ID: <45E8AF6A.9020503@theoldforest.net> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:12:42 -0500 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your work wanted for a Tudor Fashion TV special References: <000b01c75d02$5b09b8b0$8719d742@Maxwell> <7.0.1.0.2.20070302220218.0360b0d8@suziclarke.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070302220218.0360b0d8@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 625cb184-e43c-4523-bf16-1fd9dc1f76b3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E8AF5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:13:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Suzi Clarke wrote: > Is this solely for American costumers or can anyone play? Hi Suzi, Anyone can play no matter where they are! you're welcome to join in the fun. -Judy Mitchell (co-owner Alley Cat Scratch Costume) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 2 20:05:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2315nu1000843 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:05:53 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2314r4k015348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:05:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2314GuD076609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2314795070266; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:04:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l23144q6070182 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from MaddNancy@aol.com) Received: from MaddNancy@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ce4.b08f9d7 (42805) for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:03:47 -0500 (EST) From: MaddNancy@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:03:47 EST To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A New Book to Look Forward To. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8dbecb33-d6b7-49ab-a616-1c50d5db58f9 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45E8C9B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:05:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I had the opportunity to meet Margaret Rosenthal earlier this week and hear a lecture on the translation. The book sounds like it will be fabulous for clothing content, including a glossary on fabrics, cuts and colors. They have done extensive research on fabrics, tracing the weaves back, which helps to explain some of their names. According to Miss Rosenthal, the book should be coming out in around nine months (time for Christmas!), and she expects it to price around $75. The first print run will be 4,000. I had never known until the lecture that the Dover edition was an abridged version. The amount of Vecellio's commentary was extensive, a description of each figure in the woodcut from head to toe. Having a full translation will be a really wonderful addition to the library! Nancy Stengel Ulmer


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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 2 20:24:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l231O4Ig001165 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:24:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l231NB7F031400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:23:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l231MqRT079997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:22:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l231MovS081385; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:22:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l231Lqu3080795 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:22:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 40510 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Mar 2007 01:21:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=xINlO9WYtxlQCJvpU+Egl+0u7gaUJBpIdY6HuacZwK5KY1rqna0HYNVGINr3DuOKxv+G6uNA5UuMplaaAhBvPRWmkd9EorNua79t6VjjVLDLflTMqy5izK0C6ZEMzVPbKDZUyY74OHXKYpcHUgq4ZJ+jBdlkrCnuFj32dHD//pE=; X-YMail-OSG: MLVfD.kVM1lDUDkcMuUkg84Kypt8cHSC685BrVROGEX70Y0k.5m8IcKknwbpmUszuabgGSwMimTxWvDeigFP94NRI_X..OIlPHsx0mtWByLc3MQixASg7tAGRk9H.66Mma8tJ.HKTfjrKhc- Received: from [121.44.68.207] by web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:21:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/468 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.8 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:21:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] A New Book to Look Forward To. To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <486095.40188.qm@web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5b42c0f-5ea8-4f09-b6aa-4797178ec876 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E8CDFF.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:23:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO It will be a wonderful book! :-)=0A=0AHowever, the information given me by = her co-writer Ann Rosalind Jones is that the book isn't due out until fall = or winter 2009. I can tell you, there are lots of us who wish it was availa= ble for christmas this year, or even next! I can enquire as to whether ther= e was a miscommunication on Ms Rosenthal's part if you like, to be sure, bu= t Ann has mentioned 2009 to me several times so I'm sure that she at least = is fairly certain.=0A=0AMs Jones has offered to share some of her translati= ons with me, and as soon as I receive them I'd be happy to share them with = others if there's interest. =0A=0A =0ABella=0A=0A----- Original Message ---= -=0AFrom: "MaddNancy@aol.com" =0ATo: h-costume@indra.com= =0ASent: Saturday, 3 March, 2007 11:33:47 AM=0ASubject: [h-cost] A New Book= to Look Forward To.=0A=0A=0AI had the opportunity to meet Margaret Rosenth= al earlier this week and hear =0Aa lecture on the translation. The book s= ounds like it will be fabulous for =0Aclothing content, including a glossa= ry on fabrics, cuts and colors. They have =0Adone extensive research on f= abrics, tracing the weaves back, which helps to =0Aexplain some of their n= ames. According to Miss Rosenthal, the book should be =0Acoming out in ar= ound nine months (time for Christmas!), and she expects it to =0Aprice arou= nd $75. The first print run will be 4,000.=0A=0AI had never known until th= e lecture that the Dover edition was an abridged =0Aversion. The amount o= f Vecellio's commentary was extensive, a description of =0Aeach figure in = the woodcut from head to toe. Having a full translation will =0Abe a real= ly wonderful addition to the library!=0A=0ANancy Stengel Ulmer=0A=0ASend in= stant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 3 14:26:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l23JPtGh025156 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:25:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l23JP5bJ028535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:25:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l23JOYQ8025996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:24:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l23JORug017595; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:24:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai05.charter.net (mtai05.charter.net [209.225.8.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l23JONwC017464 for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa09.charter.net ([10.20.200.161]) by mtai05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070303192414.SPVV21717.mtai05.charter.net@aa09.charter.net> for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:24:14 -0500 Received: from Maxwell ([66.215.25.135]) by aa09.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070303192413.DQUS1428.aa09.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:24:13 -0500 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your work wanted for a Tudor Fashion TV special Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:24:15 -0800 Message-ID: <018101c75dc9$884bff00$8719d742@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcddxkqcWpZquShTTQq5JceXh8VS/AAAY7KQ Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200703031900.l23J06D8098050@net.indra.com> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de4871a6-5c32-4ae6-850a-873f6e3a43d4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45E9CB91.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:25:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO >>The history (all of about 2 weeks) is too complicated for me to go = into=20 right now, but it has the potential to be very interesting, even after = the=20 current "The Tudors" buzz dies down. Yea, lots of history, lots of buzz. What is really good about this project is that the project is going to = be broken down in pieces and the historical and re-enactment pieces are = going to be kept separate... and away from the "modern styling". It WILL NOT = be geeks on parade. They are very excited and are committed to showing a "celebration of Tudor". Getting some images in there where the = costuming arts will get good noise and air time, is not only fun, but helps our community in the future. =20 Then again, in the modern section... it's going to be scary. If we can = get them within two centuries... But, that segment is going to be = fun and colorful too. The net result of all of this is "costume good"... and wow! Look at = that wonderful work. So, dig into your photo collection and send stuff in = over to TudorFashion@alleycatscratch.com . Can't guarantee what they'll = pick... but the better represented we are, the clearer picture we can paint. And if you want to help define trends for modern fashion, and can handle generalizations (we were talking about a picture of the Ringo Star = yesterday and banger bling), please come and play. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tvfilmcostuming/ . Humorous good natured ranting allowed as long as followed by constructive. =20 -Cat- (sorry about slower replies but I've got to stay on digest to handle all = the mail I'm pre-processing for Showtime) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 09:16:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24EGSDq031233 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:16:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l24EFXZZ026511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:16:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24EEtdc075331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:14:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24EEnYt096737; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:14:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24EEj9C096652 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:14:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070304141435.ICKP21518.fep34.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:14:35 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.41]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070304141435.PKQR1666.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:14:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c75e67$7b792d90$2943a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:14:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.67.41] at Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:14:29 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] leaf palliettes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2fed54b-dc03-4780-8612-8472159616ef X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EAD485.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Mar 2007 09:16:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Does anybody know of a place where i can buy some silver leaf palliettes. Shaped like leafs? They dont have to be excactly like these i have here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm And it doesnt matter if they are metal or plastic, when it comes to rare things, you cant afford to be crittical. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 10:24:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24FOkEa000541 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:24:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l24FNpqj026635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:24:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24FNAHo086352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 08:23:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24FN7uK040654; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 08:23:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24FN2To040578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 08:23:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l24FW3sG014351 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:32:04 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] leaf palliettes Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 10:31:37 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <000501c75e67$7b792d90$2943a150@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c75e67$7b792d90$2943a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703041031.38143.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 489a7086-837e-458e-a778-67eb7ad9ff83 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EAE487.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Mar 2007 10:24:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Sunday 04 March 2007 9:14 am, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Does anybody know of a place where i can buy some silver leaf palliettes. > Shaped like leafs? > They dont have to be excactly like these i have here: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm > And it doesnt matter if they are metal or plastic, when it comes to rare > things, you cant afford to be crittical. These aren't much like the shape in your design at all, but I plugged the words "leaf-shaped sequins" into Google and this was the first thing I found: http://www.bead-e.co.uk/catalog/sections.php?CategoryName=s&ClassName=27&GroupName=128&SectionName=le -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." -- Woody Allen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 18:06:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24N5vHh011243 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:05:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l24N51ZP012049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:05:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24N4MQF036827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:04:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24N4GJF015266; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:04:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24N4Di1015187 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:04:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DEDC4C13 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:04:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45EB5092.7040704@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 17:04:50 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] BBC Robin Hood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b773e21c-e976-4f3e-9555-e19aab4cd80a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EB509D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 18:59:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24Nx9VS012615 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:59:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l24NwI2v027480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:59:02 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24NvqtG041089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24NvoAJ042324; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:57:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l24NvkEG042267 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:57:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.27]) by bay0-omc2-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:57:40 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:57:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:57:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45EB5092.7040704@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] BBC Robin Hood Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:55:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:55:48 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2007 23:57:40.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4BACFB0:01C75EB8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8af33f1-9bd7-40ca-8ab0-2205f2d68948 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EB5D1B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:59:02 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Yeah, it is kinda' cheesy, but I don't care. I just like the idea that this is sort of a "Cowboy Western" from the English perspective. Ohhh, to have that kind of history..... It reminds me a little of when I was in China a few years ago. A couple of twenty something year olds were eager to hang around me (I was thrilled) and were very amused that I was watching all their traditional "opera" styled series on TV. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: [h-cost] BBC Robin Hood > Is anyone watching this new series? It premiered last night on cable and > will be aired again tonight (Sunday). > > I'll reserve comments so as not to spoil it for folks who haven't seen > it yet. > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 19:01:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2501oGS012701 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:01:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2500sPj024823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:01:43 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2500Y2x041459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:00:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2500Y9E043764; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:00:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2500Vas043649 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:00:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.28]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:00:25 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:00:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:00:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:58:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:58:31 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2007 00:00:25.0429 (UTC) FILETIME=[46DE6850:01C75EB9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77a84623-e484-4c37-a4c5-a8b3ab113750 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45EB5DB7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:01:43 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Here are a few pics from the Phoenix Art Museum talk I did last week. Still tweaking the CSS style sheets so bear with me! I'll be updating some of the details for the diary now that I have time ..... http://saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/Actuals/Event/index.htm Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 19:11:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l250BfH9012955 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:11:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l250Ak4V005590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:11:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l250AAre042344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:10:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l250A8BG048491; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:10:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l250A4q1048461 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1HO0mA2r5K-0008RM; Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:10:03 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c75eba$9353f730$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 19:30:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l250U402013397 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:30:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l250T9is022931 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:29:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l250Sp1K044361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:28:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l250SoB5057487; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:28:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l250SjD8057441 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:28:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200703050028.l250SjD8057441@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 18147 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2007 16:28:34 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 17965, pid: 18137, t: 4.4128s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:42/d:2665 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 4 Mar 2007 16:28:30 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:26:53 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. In-Reply-To: <002601c75eba$9353f730$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <002601c75eba$9353f730$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1bdf233e-dc85-43a5-ae6a-2193a327b655 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EB6455.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 20:12:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251Clfd014425 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:12:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l251BqIY019680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:12:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251BGhg048265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:11:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251BDnZ079049; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:11:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251BAWe078980 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:11:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200703050111.l251BAWe078980@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070305011104m13007i3eqe>; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 01:11:04 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:09:04 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] BBC Robin Hood In-Reply-To: References: <45EB5092.7040704@reddawn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68de17d9-cd8a-4185-8924-76bf09c6026d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45EB6E58.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 20:33:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251WqgE014883 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:33:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l251Vgb9027894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:32:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251VIqs050316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:31:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251VH7R088900; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:31:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251VEAn088837 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:31:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.120]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:31:09 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:31:08 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.138.123 by by133fd.bay133.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 01:31:06 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com In-Reply-To: <200703050028.l250SjD8057441@net.indra.com> From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:31:06 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2007 01:31:08.0370 (UTC) FILETIME=[F31D4B20:01C75EC5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 041eb040-22ee-4f2f-b6f5-fe833ee4ea12 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45EB72FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:32:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well, it took a whole dang day just to figure out how to make it. Another day to put the "horsehair braid" in the 24 yards of silk. (there is one ~2" and one 1/2" braid in opposite ends - uggh I hate this kind of sewing....essentially 48 yards of machine sewing straight lines.) Then, several of my fellow meticulous engineer friends offered to come help do the measuring and handsewing of 3/4 of the ruff. (Boy, you know you have good friends when they pop up to do this kind of stuff - neither one of them has much interest in this kind of sewing.) I figure....about 30 hours total. If you did it every day, you'd probably be much more efficient. Sg >From: Joan Jurancich >At 04:09 PM 3/4/2007, you wrote: >>WOW Sq!!!!!!!!! I love the ruff! How long did it take to make it? >> >>Penny Ladnier, Owner, The C >>_______________________________________________ > >And how many yards long is it? > > >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 20:40:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251eXJc015037 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:40:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l251dbpQ022092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:40:26 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251dFqA051357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:39:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251dDU0093004; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:39:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l251d9wJ092911 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 18:39:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.113]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:39:04 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:39:04 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.138.123 by by133fd.bay133.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 01:39:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:39:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2007 01:39:04.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[0EB62770:01C75EC7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af7993fc-aba4-4c8c-91ff-19a8ac83533c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EB74D9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:40:26 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I am thoroughly enjoying this series. I don’t know much aobut costuming of the time, but I don’t even care!!! Anyone else liking it? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 21:07:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2527TIv015660 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:07:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2526cO0012582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:07:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2526F4I054704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:06:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2526Bk9006298; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:06:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25266rN006246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:06:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-220-54-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.220.54]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l25263rs008487 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:06:04 +1100 Message-ID: <013001c75eca$d32795a0$36dcf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Our Country's Good Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:06:00 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=63% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fadfc9c5-5b8f-4f48-9c42-95df69719519 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EB7B2E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:07:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The overall costume design is due March 12th, and the one thing I don't have > a fixed idea about is the aborigine. Does anyone know any books or othe > resources about the aborigines in general that would have helpful > information or pictures? > Much thanks, > Anna You might be able to find early European drawings or watercolours of the Aboriginal people in the Sydney area on this page http://www.pictureaustralia.org/index.html but they are often portrayed more like classical nudes than real people who don't feel the need for clothes. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 21:09:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2529dM9015706 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:09:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2528iZv010957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:09:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2528RHd054853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2528QsY007461; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:08:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2528E5b007309 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:08:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from VAIO ([72.227.84.22]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20070305020809.TRCJ2196.mta9.adelphia.net@VAIO> for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:08:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c75ecb$18660660$020fa8c0@VAIO> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:07:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=42% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0973f847-1878-457b-9316-2ec5eb728992 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45EB7BAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:09:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Love it, love it, love it! We've been watching it on DVD as we don't have HBO, and are panting for the next season to be released... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set in Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net Creating a Circa 1798 - 1805 Empire Gown http://marjoriegilbert.net/album_30_028.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: [h-cost] HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? >I am thoroughly enjoying this series. I don’t know much aobut costuming of >the time, but I don’t even care!!! > > Anyone else liking it? > > Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 4 21:24:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l252OOjA016055 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:24:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l252NSbe017274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:24:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l252N008056102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:23:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l252Mv0t014813; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:22:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l252MrQu014759 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:22:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31339) id <01MDV4JOLIHCAKU585@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:20:05 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31339) with ESMTP id <01MDV4HZAL42AFW6B5@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:18:43 +1300 (NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:22:09 +1300 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <45EB7ED1.8020406@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e35bf8e-af0d-4617-ac3e-92019359642e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45EB7F20.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 00:25:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l255Pljw019634 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:25:47 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l255Ov6w027542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 00:25:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l255OO7m070119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:24:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l255OKhB010714; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:24:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l255OGMU010609 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:24:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JEF00IRH0C4KO60@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:24:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:24:04 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] leaf palliettes In-reply-to: <000501c75e67$7b792d90$2943a150@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e6502fb-7a84-467f-88bb-ea6b2dafe433 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EBA9A9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:25:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Bjarne-- You do the most AMAZING things! Beautiful! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:15 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] leaf palliettes Does anybody know of a place where i can buy some silver leaf palliettes. Shaped like leafs? They dont have to be excactly like these i have here: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm And it doesnt matter if they are metal or plastic, when it comes to rare things, you cant afford to be crittical. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 04:42:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l259gcCZ025005 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 04:42:38 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l259fgIJ003215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 04:42:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l259f9qE098019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:41:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l259f5Lh053796; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:41:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l259f0lp053737 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 02:41:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.24665043; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:40:44 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l259eg925176.; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:40:43 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:40:42 +0000 Message-Id: <45EBE58C02000014000CC7BB@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 09:40:28 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: "Historical Costume" References: <797778.40065.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46C20BFF-2722-4D59-8205-7EC2367A9B88@earthlink.net> <35DC5460-C767-4B3C-9CF3-07F42A2D4B5F@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <35DC5460-C767-4B3C-9CF3-07F42A2D4B5F@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=35% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Generalls Musick website at last! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8426153d-7acf-4660-9db1-e0bf3366f8c3 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EBE5D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 04:42:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Some of you may remember that I've been a member of a 17th century music group since 1998. After various false starts, the group's website has at last got off the ground and can be seen at http://www.generallsmusicandplayers.com/ Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 10:36:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25Fa2mG029364 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:36:06 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25FZ6wN007869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:35:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25FYTfH014178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:34:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25FYJNb086474; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:34:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.165]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25FYFEB086303 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:34:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.29]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 07:34:10 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 07:34:09 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:34:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <797778.40065.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com><46C20BFF-2722-4D59-8205-7EC2367A9B88@earthlink.net><35DC5460-C767-4B3C-9CF3-07F42A2D4B5F@comcast.net> <45EBE58C02000014000CC7BB@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Generalls Musick website at last! 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Sure wish I were closer. ----- Original Message ----- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 12:16:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25HGcov031846 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:16:42 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25HFg6P002067 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:16:30 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25H9pDq033865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:09:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25H9iqu092839; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:09:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai03.charter.net (mtai03.charter.net [209.225.8.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25H9d9I092604 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:09:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aa04.charter.net ([10.20.200.156]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070305170928.PHDZ11923.mtai03.charter.net@aa04.charter.net> for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:09:28 -0500 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.100.224]) by aa04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070305170928.TKML1432.aa04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:09:28 -0500 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:08:50 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c75f48$fa1b5dd0$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdfCxQb8Qg6VyftRRuuut519L4fCgAPSZEg In-Reply-To: <45EBE58C02000014000CC7BB@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Returning to h-cost X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54ded82f-f91d-4bf9-a3e1-babb31716d62 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EC503E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:16:31 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hello all! I am Rebecca and am returning to H-cost after a "leave of absense" due to child-rearing :) I signed off a bit over a year ago for childbirth, and figured toddlerhood was a good time to go back to something that might help me keep my sanity (or lose even more of it - whichever feels better at the time :) I do mostly Elizabethan, and am on cast at the Bristol Renn Faire. Being out of the loop for awhile, I'm wondering if any children's patterns have come on the market in the past year? Aforementioned toddler will need clothing for this season. Also, if anyone has good information on leading strings...toddler will be ~20 months when season starts, and we work around an open fire, so I want to be able to have control of him at all times. Leading strings seemed to be a good start :) ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 15:21:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25KL4hs005030 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:21:04 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25KK8c3030403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:20:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25KJOxo068934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:19:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25KJJhn013561; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:19:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (mxo1.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25KJG4V013368 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:19:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (host-67-128-70-97.clearviewcatv.net [67.128.70.97]) by mxo1.broadbandsupport.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD035314326 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:19:11 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200703041900.l24J04Nu076154@net.indra.com> References: <200703041900.l24J04Nu076154@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:18:55 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: paillets... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22c49be1-9b0f-4676-b4ba-a567884c5895 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45EC7B78.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:20:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 12:00 PM -0700 3/4/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Does anybody know of a place where i can buy some silver leaf palliettes. >Shaped like leafs? >They dont have to be excactly like these i have here: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm >And it doesnt matter if they are metal or plastic, when it comes to rare >things, you cant afford to be crittical. > >Bjarne I just was at a friends house and she showed me this *AWESOME* press. It did metal flashing and soda can metal the same as paper. There are leaf dies for it was well as flower dies and a bunch of terribly cute ones... It's called a Wizzard(sp) and is all the rage amongst the stamping/journaling/scrap booking set... And the results are just what you are looking for!!!!! Ta Carol--Darn, new shelves will be full soon -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 16:49:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25LnSGj007005 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:49:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25LmXl9024390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:49:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25Llr3g083381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:47:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25LlnnT004607; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:47:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25LljoR004470 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:47:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200703052147.l25LljoR004470@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070305214740013000ujlke>; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:47:40 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:45:47 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: paillets... In-Reply-To: References: <200703041900.l24J04Nu076154@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 868f9943-8c31-4ab1-9a98-5fee0dad4def X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EC9031.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne SCA known as Laurensa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 17:20:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MKx5G007568 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:20:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25MK3X0032114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:20:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MJZIm088610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:19:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MJXx0036207; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:19:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MJUVs036067 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:19:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.76]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:19:25 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:19:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.253.109.234 by BAY106-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:19:22 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.253.109.234] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200703041900.l24J04Nu076154@net.indra.com> <200703052147.l25LljoR004470@net.indra.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:19:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:19:10 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2007 22:19:25.0420 (UTC) FILETIME=[553C2AC0:01C75F74] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re; Wizard X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f605246d-76c0-4f1b-9d4b-70db75d6738d X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EC9794.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:20:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Well, this is where you can buy one: http://store.scrapbooking-warehouse.com/spellbinders.html?gclid=3DCLnfhN_= T3ooCFSRFSgodADi0uw Joanne's is selling another brand that is similar (Cuttlebug) and is = much cheaper - I ordered one Saturday and am eagerly awaiting it. (We = don't have a superstore here so half the stuff in the ad was not = available.) Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 17:34:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MYZtm007880 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:34:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25MXeqr012224 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:34:28 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MVGPJ089717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:32:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MMweZ039619; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:22:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MMs6J039480 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:22:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.79]) by bay0-omc3-s38.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:22:49 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:22:49 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.36.99.166 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:22:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.36.99.166] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200703041900.l24J04Nu076154@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: paillets... Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:23:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:23:02 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2007 22:22:49.0049 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE9B7C90:01C75F74] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c808247-f38b-495d-809f-5cb93bb95779 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EC9AC4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:34:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO AND you can save yourself about thirty bucks on the system buying on = eBay. Best part about the Wizard is that it takes all the OTHER = manufacturer's die cuts. If you don't find exactly what you want in the = Wizard line, you can buy someone else's leaf, flower, butterfly, or = whatever, and the tools are included with the Wizard to make them work. Doing more scrapping than sewing these days-- LuAnn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: cahuff=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: paillets... At 12:00 PM -0700 3/4/07, = h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >Does anybody know of a place where i can buy some silver leaf = palliettes. >Shaped like leafs? >They dont have to be excactly like these i have here: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/cel.htm >And it doesnt matter if they are metal or plastic, when it comes to = rare >things, you cant afford to be crittical. > >Bjarne I just was at a friends house and she showed me this *AWESOME* press.=20 It did metal flashing and soda can metal the same as paper. There are=20 leaf dies for it was well as flower dies and a bunch of terribly cute=20 ones... It's called a Wizzard(sp) and is all the rage amongst the=20 stamping/journaling/scrap booking set... And the results are just what you are looking for!!!!! Ta Carol--Darn, new shelves will be full soon --=20 Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 17:37:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MbVYq007944 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:37:31 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25Maa3x015260 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:37:24 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MaIok090399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:36:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MaGkZ052816; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:36:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MaDdJ052641 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:36:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070305223607m11009m2gle>; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:36:07 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <200703041900.l24J04Nu076154@net.indra.com> <200703052147.l25LljoR004470@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <644EA111-DB65-4AD2-859B-6BE6B777A971@comcast.net> From: Lauren Walker Subject: Punches for cloth, was Re: [h-cost] re; Wizard Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:35:54 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56bbb846-eca0-4c35-bea1-7f0e7dbefa91 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EC9B74.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:37:25 -0500 (EST) Status: RO While we are talking about tools we can borrow from scrapbooking -- has anyone tried using any kind of paper punches on fabric? I do swatch books of the fabrics I sell, and would love to be able to cleanly punch two holes through multiple layers of cloth, so I can run a yarn or ribbon through to hold them together. I've been looking at the McGill drill-punch (view here: http://www.misterart.com/store/ view/001/group_id/7373/McGill-Adjustable-Paper-Drill.htm) but I have no experience with it. Do you know if it would work on stacks of cloth? Thanks! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Mar 5, 2007, at 5:19 PM, JAMES OGILVIE wrote: > Well, this is where you can buy one: > http://store.scrapbooking-warehouse.com/spellbinders.html? > gclid=CLnfhN_T3ooCFSRFSgodADi0uw > Joanne's is selling another brand that is similar (Cuttlebug) and > is much cheaper - I ordered one Saturday and am eagerly awaiting > it. (We don't have a superstore here so half the stuff in the ad > was not available.) > > Janet > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 17:50:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MoIwc008475 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:50:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25MnSPT028568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:50:11 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25Mmulh091813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25Mmpx3063805; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25MmkMB063723 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.158] (pm5-158.eos.net [205.133.149.158]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l25Mmk40009676 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:48:47 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:30:43 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703052211.l25MBT6C028062@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: robin hood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 803f0d12-96f7-452e-8601-c77646c8fead X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EC9E78.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:50:12 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Is it on DVD? I don't have cable. I'll watch if the story is good, unless the costumes are awful. Did anyone catch the "new" Dracula, which was just on here (probably last year's BBC season). I saw about five minutes and couldn't take it after Lucy's new husband left the wedding to perform some kind of blood-heavy black mass or something. Everyone usually massacres Dracula in the same Freudian way, but this looked like an equally stupid way to massacre it. I sure wish someone would just do the real story. Anyway, I didn't get a chance to notice the costumes. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 18:11:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NBTus009469 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:11:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25NAXaU020555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:11:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NA4t1094386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:10:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NA22o082330; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:10:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25N9x6n082259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:10:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.221] (209-148-118-221.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.221]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l25N9uTT005382 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:09:58 -0800 Message-ID: <45ECA347.209@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:09:59 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: robin hood References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6452770d-493d-4cf8-815c-3ce17a596b70 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45ECA369.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:11:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Everyone usually massacres Dracula in the same > Freudian way Well, Bram Stoker _did_ have syphilis; so all those connections between sex, transmission of a condition by tainted blood, and death are probably not just modern interpretations. I haven't seen the new Dracula. I just watched my DVD of the new Jane Eyre. I would classify it as modernized, in terms of much of the language and some of the actions, but emotionally true. Heavily romantic. Some characters have been changed; for example a peripheral young man, in the novel, has been changed into an amateur scientist. As for costumes, I try not to watch films for them too much, it's just entertainment. But: In the novel Jane Eyre perennially wore black wool, black silk, or for the very best dove-gray silk in winter; and in the summer, she had at least one dress in, if I recall, lilac gingham. In the film she almost always wears a gray cotton dress that doesn't fit well in the bodice. But, it's a good film. Worth making; though I still wish BBC would discover more 19th-century authors instead of perennially refilming Jane Austen, Dickens, and a handful of others. I'd love to see someone film Wharton's _The Custom of the Country_. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 18:12:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NCFfE009498 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:12:15 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25NBPnH025239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:12:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NB97D094599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:11:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NB8MN083381; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:11:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NB4aT083238 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:11:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c12.11dc3597 (39331) for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:10:50 -0500 (EST) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:10:50 EST Subject: [h-cost] BBC Robin Hood To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd7fabdb-e5d3-4a4b-8f19-20b43d946e7b X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45ECA39D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:12:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm not going to say what I think of the general costuming, but keep an eye out in one of the later episodes for Marion (I think - dark haired girl), having a distinctly 60s day!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 18:15:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NFS2A009659 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:15:28 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25NEMSu021101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:15:20 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NE2lw094971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:14:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NE1Eq085938; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:14:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NDlBM085632 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:13:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D1BC4E9A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:13:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45ECA44F.7030000@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:14:23 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: robin hood References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5369ca7d-753d-443b-85bf-f332ab6146ca X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45ECA44E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:15:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Is it on DVD? I don't have cable. I'll watch if the story is good, unless > the costumes are awful. > You can get more info on the website: http://www.bbcamerica.com/ I can't comment on the story yet. I though the first episode was passable in a "Robin Hood meets hip 21st century youth" sort of way. The costumes are the usual mix of attempts at authenticity and modern fantasy. I'm not sure about the orange (stretch knit?) dress on the website, but Marian was in a lovely cream colored gothic fitted gown in the first episode. And they had Guy of Gisbourne in a black leather trenchcoat... I'll watch a couple more episodes to see how it goes. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 18:28:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NSvwb010387 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:28:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l25NS1Cm002928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:28:50 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NRaCJ097103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:27:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NRWDB097842; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:27:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l25NRTgr097725 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:27:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D159C4EA2 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:27:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45ECA78E.5090800@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:28:14 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Venitian Carnivale costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 535ad66d-5bde-41ae-8c62-570901093f57 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45ECA781.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 19:52:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l260pw1J013954 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:52:02 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l260p3C0012569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:51:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l260oQD7006935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:50:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l260oNNP058047; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:50:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l260oKSq058001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l260xQQK023373 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:59:29 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Punches for cloth, was Re: [h-cost] re; Wizard Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:58:54 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200703041900.l24J04Nu076154@net.indra.com> <644EA111-DB65-4AD2-859B-6BE6B777A971@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <644EA111-DB65-4AD2-859B-6BE6B777A971@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703051958.54666.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b73a48c4-9234-4cc6-9997-023de9b7bfbd X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45ECBAF7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:51:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Monday 05 March 2007 5:35 pm, Lauren Walker wrote: > While we are talking about tools we can borrow from scrapbooking -- > has anyone tried using any kind of paper punches on fabric? I do > swatch books of the fabrics I sell, and would love to be able to > cleanly punch two holes through multiple layers of cloth, so I can > run a yarn or ribbon through to hold them together. I've been looking > at the McGill drill-punch (view here: http://www.misterart.com/store/ > view/001/group_id/7373/McGill-Adjustable-Paper-Drill.htm) but I have > no experience with it. Do you know if it would work on stacks of cloth? > Thanks! I'm not familiar with the McGill. All I know that the kind of hand paper punch that looks like the type train conductors use to punch tickets is *not* sharp/strong enough to punch clean holes through fabric. -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." -- Woody Allen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 20:30:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l261UUB5015428 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:30:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l261TYWD007622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:30:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l261TF4k011850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:29:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l261TE2u083080; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l261TCOq083039 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:29:13 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so1956281nzf for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:29:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=V7YfuiIwWYMvyZfaRBfu8oiLzS7xYjAYmNObpP1MJZfsG9VLhjSwbzJdj43TeE7SU5t2axzPxFu9jrQ5yRpkJAYVWKzenGPobUiCoH/Cn+wQr9PH9gqahRi9EmEZE3stX0HIDY4IeadPdb3u8wV65OqAWGu9LKH89C9UMtklvoM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IqGbj0a8xNzCBT+7H+IZ8YKmLfOaPj1W86xjmDu7zmk/ey8VyaxGYSYfUmOhqihxoTvLwFWODSq7uMTTF10Eu8Zyt0FjTz6S5TEhidwSvvAMTQmUbkcPfPtA7HhRCSqmWSPEK39Mxr3egUj6rDvcOFi/eS0VV0nSKqH+SS2jKb0= Received: by 10.65.251.17 with SMTP id d17mr11047675qbs.1173144552005; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.180.2 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:29:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7d21ac190703051729j7d5931e0ub501b3666a5344e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:29:11 -0500 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1534a3f6-07e6-4bc7-b320-29a566d5d808 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45ECC3FE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:30:23 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On 3/5/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:39:03 -0700 > From: "Saragrace Knauf" > Subject: [h-cost] HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? > To: h-costume@indra.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > I am thoroughly enjoying this series. I don't know much aobut costuming of > the time, but I don't even care!!! > > Anyone else liking it? Enjoying it thoroughly, less for historical accuracy (I don't know much about Ancient Rome, but a friend who is a Roman reenactor assures me they're taking gross liberties) but for the quality acting and drama. Excellent stuff! > > Sg > Allison _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 20:58:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l261wOxR016737 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:58:24 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l261vSPQ003250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:58:17 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l261utDG014839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:56:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l261uqqN000627; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:56:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l261uma0000540 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:56:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 5143 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2007 01:56:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QHEn305E5zMEFhfs6eXLu/ADkKbc6qZwdoGMvpJ2YIwIydQpdmuez3/shlGaBK0hBnpqYedz1ZIl1Dl/j/amJil6zsOpQiDUYMyewCsIax8EMUj5fizcg4Mgw3KvdDrg9j9QXmkSun/iiuWLO8e/6dnjTnDtYMXmj/GDiLzpClA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?74.118.207.58?) (nicolaa@rogers.com@74.118.207.58 with plain) by smtp104.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2007 01:56:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fxy2n6YVM1mK2o4JWroe5arAdFIVjDeb4p_xBcdUDhz4LHGmyiVeGds8U0YRTq51zA-- Message-ID: <45ECCA64.4020900@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:56:52 -0500 From: Susan Carroll-Clark User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? References: <7d21ac190703051729j7d5931e0ub501b3666a5344e1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190703051729j7d5931e0ub501b3666a5344e1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 055703a1-5ec6-4cb0-9638-22bdac8b5e8b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45ECCA88.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:58:17 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Greetings-- A. Thurman wrote: > On 3/5/07, h-costume-request@indra.com > wrote: > > Enjoying it thoroughly, less for historical accuracy (I don't know > much about Ancient Rome, but a friend who is a Roman reenactor assures > me they're taking gross liberties) but for the quality acting and > drama. Excellent stuff! There are indeed some liberties taken, but far, far fewer than in just about any other show about Rome I've seen (with the possible exception of I Claudius). The outlines of historical events are correct, but they fill in a lot of storylines (the main two characters are largely fictional). There are also some strikingly good bits--graffiti, some of the food described (could come straight from Apicius), the letters (which are in an actual hand the Romans used, although to quibble they're not using cursive enough, probably because it would look like chicken scratch to viewers) and last night's episode had two weddings that had the correct ceremonial text and the bride in the correct colour. I've also liked how they treat religion--since this is pre-Christian, they've had their work cut out for them to bring some of the Roman practices to life, and have generally done pretty well. They've touched a lot on the ancestor worship part of the upper classes, for instance. My only serious quibble about the history so far is with Cicero. They cast him too young, for one thing. They also chose to portray him fairly negatively, as a political opportunist lacking in intestinal fortitude. I think you could make that argument about him, but he also clearly struggled with it himself. Plus, for a man reknowned as the most famous orator of his time, he wasn't portrayed as a good speaker at all. On the other hand--I love the portrayals of Caesar and Antony, and I think they've gotten Octavian down now that they've switched to an older actor with more gravitas. On the costuming front --the women's clothing has high and low points, although I've not seen anything so glaringly bad as what we saw in Gladiator. I can recognize garments or at least what they're based on. The men's clothing is not bad, if suffering from a tendency towards that "rough, unfinished" look for the senatorial tunics and togas, for instance. The battle scenes have not been much to talk about, probably because they spent most of their money on actors and scenery rather than CGI. The sets are wonderful--a riot of colour. Susan (BA in classics and ancient history....) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 21:15:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l262Fdp9017608 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:15:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l262EiC9007596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:15:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l262EROO016914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l262EQju011882; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:14:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l262EMQD011820 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:14:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m123.in-tch.com [216.166.191.123]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l2620Zf07437 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:00:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001001c75f96$66ed2860$7bbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c75f48$fa1b5dd0$6401a8c0@OurComputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Returning to h-cost Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:23:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4437efd1-8e6f-4ae2-a921-64f55a5be923 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45ECCE94.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:15:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Welcome back! I've seen stuff on leading strings in one of my (very few) books on 18th century costuming for reenactors, but nothing for earlier time periods, outside of those embroidered bands in the book on the embroidery of Mary Stuart. There was a recent thread concerning children's clothing and patterns--I'm pretty *sure* it was on this list. Burda as the manufacturer, maybe? It's not something I saved, or paid too much attention to, so hopefully someone can give you more details.... --Sue in Montana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:08 AM Subject: [h-cost] Returning to h-cost > Hello all! > > I am Rebecca and am returning to H-cost after a "leave of absense" due to > child-rearing :) I signed off a bit over a year ago for childbirth, and > figured toddlerhood was a good time to go back to something that might help > me keep my sanity (or lose even more of it - whichever feels better at the > time :) > > I do mostly Elizabethan, and am on cast at the Bristol Renn Faire. Being out > of the loop for awhile, I'm wondering if any children's patterns have come > on the market in the past year? Aforementioned toddler will need clothing > for this season. Also, if anyone has good information on leading > strings...toddler will be ~20 months when season starts, and we work around > an open fire, so I want to be able to have control of him at all times. > Leading strings seemed to be a good start :) > > ******************************************************************* > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence > Bristol Renaissance Faire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 5 23:16:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l264Gfhh023006 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:16:45 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l264FjV1008456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:16:34 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l264FBV2030550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:15:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l264F6Bl085789; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:15:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l264F26f085747 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:15:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=qqM7odxkJH6i1VFgvXdZnh8dDL9+9Fi1326SvrMdUu0MI6oe8MbjcIoKAxCpIJQe; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.126.141.118] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1HOR4m-00053M-43 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:15:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: <644EA111-DB65-4AD2-859B-6BE6B777A971@comcast.net> References: <200703041900.l24J04Nu076154@net.indra.com> <200703052147.l25LljoR004470@net.indra.com> <644EA111-DB65-4AD2-859B-6BE6B777A971@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A03AE9D-DE5C-4129-BBBE-A7D654CD0570@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: Punches for cloth, was Re: [h-cost] re; Wizard Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:15:18 -0800 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c666def925d4610cfa990941b5b730b19350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.126.141.118 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4392af0f-8fae-4428-9b7f-fa21540a5d74 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45ECEAF1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 05 Mar 2007 23:16:34 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Just be sure your paillette-maker uses sturdy enough plates if you're going to use it on metal. I know folks who have tried to use the scrapbooking type of plastic-plate sort of thing, designed for paper, on lightweight metal, and the plastic gets mashed flat in about three passes.... no fun. I've mentioned this page before (probably the last time Bjarne brought this up, in fact...) http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm I've used metal leather-punching tools with pretty good results. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 00:56:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l265u5E6026269 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 00:56:09 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l265t925030980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 00:55:58 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l265sb31041027 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:54:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l265sYFh043138; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:54:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l265sVPe043049 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:54:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26128 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2007 05:54:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=U+uQecPR5Nm6DNL/WkvDf26anMIWK1sklx98RNtDZCRG10pSi9+GRhBphgs6WR/HF6aMzAa2LIynnb+5l6zNfzW0xpPhBOA/xRCOM9txsPHBKFGaYmzEcAgiUvMnL5qbf9Q/zL2f1VItS4B7WwG2aQPsYZ0KF610nOREHk8jGGE=; X-YMail-OSG: t0oXuzsVM1lmRZDyCt6HG73lQcsnE4Y3Y7AQHRCvTQW.P8i83OGd7Zg6Bdg5ymZjvOAuj.Y9xjhrFi2tRX7lQTkzIgG6Um0Biq_iHRcKImq3PGiDPtg7eW0x2_m2wCkQfTfSumDLmm4NTI4gvQpFhFIiIA-- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:54:26 PST Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <91937.25250.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: feb24d5a-af7b-4c65-9dbb-b5fe7643aadb X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45ED023E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:55:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hi all, I will be working on a new Elizabethan loose gown (16th c.), and I wanted to close them with Turkish knots, aka frogs, like seen in PoF, and in QEWU. I have made modern ones in a class recently, but I want to find period ones as my basis to make for my gown. But I am having problems finding info on them, or how to make period Turkish knots/frogs, and my googling has only gotten a couple of leads. QEWU mentions that there were Turkish knots on garments from Turkey in the V&A, but I am not finding anything there, and I am not sure what proper keyword to search for. And one book I've found notice during my search, I don't know if I can ILL, since my local library sucks greatly at getting the good books, and those in my state are noted as being "reference only". Anyone know much about the book "Costumes, Embroideries and other Textiles" by the Topkapi Saray Museum translated by J. M. Rogers? What is in this book? Is it worth paying $100+ for, just for knots? I am not one normally for Middle-eastern garments. Has anyone else here made these, or know anyone who has? Anyone here have any suggestions on how to find out more on this? Any hints, links, mailing lists, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Kimiko Small --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 01:59:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l266wwec029749 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 01:59:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l266w8hx027263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 01:58:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l266vbGA048036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:57:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l266vYEJ080995; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:57:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l266vVhg080932 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:57:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48297 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2007 06:57:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iJxCNQv0jVpeVzEDSv+1e8ncOkQE5xODrPQXtt57siEEjhp65LgoX6knVA+kRkqH2pl3/HVM/ZNHJO3MoVbNY9a6RWvYwqOmPAnDF7st4hSdG97/JnBzDgW9LDCvfGQKzHk0E5n94HJEnLu7r3XYh4WRRZU0vHn72/0W3x2k47Q=; X-YMail-OSG: 418Rhi4VM1lyRFvBxk2TR.Wz2_hnGXibK.7CYQ.CPDclUvsxXFnNaPLbrNsgbtCNtdzunHkwFrzhJM2Wvt592s8sr.Q1GcgBijPGSER3XtC8P09Ao.BUjiSTnz2hCm2LNb.Ndx5rMPSynaaOVlXWhXMfrA-- Received: from [71.108.125.191] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:57:26 PST Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:57:26 -0800 (PST) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? An interesting page for you.... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <91937.25250.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <73305.48040.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94a58fd3-9c7c-4fa1-a7cf-6ce47651a777 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45ED1100.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:58:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Here's an interesting websit on Chinese knot tying, this is for a clothing "frog". http://co.middlesex.nj.us/culturalheritage/chineseknotting/button.html very pretty and decorative. Also try searching for "knot tying " in your search feature or the macrame pages for something more in line with the knot you want. Best, Melody (snip) Kimiko Small wrote: Hi all, I will be working on a new Elizabethan loose gown (16th c.), and I wanted to close them with Turkish knots. But I am having problems finding info on them, or how to make period Turkish knots/frogs, and my googling has only gotten a couple of leads. Any hints, links, mailing lists, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Kimiko Small --------------------------------- Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 04:23:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l269MwQX031862 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 04:22:59 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l269M1C8003448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 04:22:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l269KOq9062733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 02:20:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l269KKur066464; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 02:20:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l269KGLD066418 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 02:20:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C3B5539231 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 03:20:15 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 03:20:24 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <91937.25250.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a92dd12f-a846-407f-8807-70bfd7c94921 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45ED32B9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:22:52 -0500 (EST) Status: RO button http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/button_knots.htm Have you considered chinese knots? http://www.chineseknotting.org/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 09:05:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26E5H63012091 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:05:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26E4Mjq029378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:05:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26E3cTV097191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:03:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26E3X5E043640; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:03:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26E3TUH043469 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:03:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:03:04 -0600 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l26E34776087 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:03:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 06 Mar 2007 08:03:04 -0600 (CST) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:03:03 -0600 References: <200703060415.l264F7hi085807@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 08:02:47 -0600 Message-ID: <45ED2029.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200703060415.l264F7hi085807@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: robin hood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61efacb5-3e08-4ec9-83df-d029ca0f3e4f X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45ED74E6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:05:11 -0500 (EST) Status: RO You can get more info on the website: http://www.bbcamerica.com/ I can't comment on the story yet. I though the first episode was passable in a "Robin Hood meets hip 21st century youth" sort of way. The costumes are the usual mix of attempts at authenticity and modern fantasy. I'm not sure about the orange (stretch knit?) dress on the website, but Marian was in a lovely cream colored gothic fitted gown in the first episode. And they had Guy of Gisbourne in a black leather trenchcoat... I'll watch a couple more episodes to see how it goes. :) Dawn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. You are a bit more generous than I was feeling :). Plot was kind of fun but the costumes jumping all over the place were a big distraction for me. You know you are in trouble with a show when the peasants look more authentic than the leads..... And that trenchcoat! Looked like they are going for the Van Helsing look for Sir Guy. Sigh. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 09:16:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26EGGUZ012589 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:16:16 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26EFJub007815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:16:09 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26EEj4D098805 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:14:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26EEiDo052803; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:14:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26EEeu4052739 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.24789703; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:14:16 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l26EEFv21365.; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:14:15 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:14:15 +0000 Message-Id: <45ED772A02000014000CCA4F@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:14:02 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dracula, was robin hood References: <200703052211.l25MBT6C028062@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=35% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37720526-4a55-4cdd-acb3-326ae83a6548 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45ED7777.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:16:09 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I watched a new version of Dracula at a friend's house during the Christmas holiday. I'm not familiar with the book, but thought this was fairly dire. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> Gail & Scott Finke 05/03/2007 22:30 >>> Did anyone catch the "new" Dracula, which was just on here (probably last year's BBC season). I saw about five minutes and couldn't take it after Lucy's new husband left the wedding to perform some kind of blood-heavy black mass or something. Everyone usually massacres Dracula in the same Freudian way, but this looked like an equally stupid way to massacre it. I sure wish someone would just do the real story. Anyway, I didn't get a chance to notice the costumes. 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <91937.25250.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <457716.90440.qm@web33612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86e37ed0-2038-4ee8-bee0-1e9a2aaea6a3 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45ED85C0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:17:04 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Kimiko, I've been on this hunt for a few months too. One thing I've learned - Chinese knots are not at all the same as period Turkish knots/buttons. The buttons on the Turkish coats are interesting. They seem to be very close to the basket woven buttons I found on these 2 webpages: http://www.employees.org/~cathy/buttons.html http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_buttons.htm They pull many of their button construction ideas from viewing the buttons in Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion - 1560-1620." I'm told, however, that the extant buttons in the V&A do not have a wooden core. So you're guess is as good as mine when it comes to the real construction. It seems to me the construction of the period Turkish closures are not exactly frogs (like the modern ones). The buttons are seperate from the braided bands that form the loops. The construction of the buttons and braids are relatively simple but can be uncomfortable if you have any hand or wrist ailments. The Topkapi book is an excellent source for Turkish period clothing (I've been saving my pennies to get my hands on a copy). I wouldn't recommend paying the $100 for it if you have no interest in Turkish textiles. In the end, I've made the wooden core woven buttons and they look fantastic. In a pinch I've purchased modern frogs off the internet but they cost a lot of money when you need to run 20 down the front of a coat. (I can send you the link to the website I use to purchase them.) If you find out more please let me know. Sheree Kimiko Small wrote: Hi all, I will be working on a new Elizabethan loose gown (16th c.), and I wanted to close them with Turkish knots, aka frogs, like seen in PoF, and in QEWU. I have made modern ones in a class recently, but I want to find period ones as my basis to make for my gown. But I am having problems finding info on them, or how to make period Turkish knots/frogs, and my googling has only gotten a couple of leads. QEWU mentions that there were Turkish knots on garments from Turkey in the V&A, but I am not finding anything there, and I am not sure what proper keyword to search for. And one book I've found notice during my search, I don't know if I can ILL, since my local library sucks greatly at getting the good books, and those in my state are noted as being "reference only". Anyone know much about the book "Costumes, Embroideries and other Textiles" by the Topkapi Saray Museum translated by J. M. Rogers? What is in this book? Is it worth paying $100+ for, just for knots? I am not one normally for Middle-eastern garments. Has anyone else here made these, or know anyone who has? Anyone here have any suggestions on how to find out more on this? Any hints, links, mailing lists, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Kimiko Small --------------------------------- Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance! --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! 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Chris Lanning - was Punches for cloth. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 513a78de-b86c-44ce-85f5-a6257bc0e729 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45ED86E0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:21:53 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Chris, what is the Sarnen Robe on your site? Thanks, Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Laning" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Punches for cloth, was Re: [h-cost] re; Wizard > Just be sure your paillette-maker uses sturdy enough plates if you're > going to use it on metal. I know folks who have tried to use the > scrapbooking type of plastic-plate sort of thing, designed for paper, > on lightweight metal, and the plastic gets mashed flat in about three > passes.... no fun. > > I've mentioned this page before (probably the last time Bjarne > brought this up, in fact...) > http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm > > I've used metal leather-punching tools with pretty good results. > > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 10:22:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26FM5AR015194 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:22:05 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26FLAxd008797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:21:57 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26FKk4t007157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:20:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26FKjhJ017131; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:20:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26FKf9w016971 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net?[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070306152035m11009nvnee>; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:20:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <73305.48040.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <73305.48040.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? An interesting page for you.... Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:19:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc401ad9-d270-4fdd-84f3-85a1b4362c51 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45ED86E7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:21:58 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Threads magazine a long time ago had an article on making different styles of knots. I don't know if you can find it on their website anymore or not. Sylrog On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:57 PM, Melody Watts wrote: > Here's an interesting websit on Chinese knot tying, this is for a > clothing "frog". > > http://co.middlesex.nj.us/culturalheritage/chineseknotting/button.html > > very pretty and decorative. > Also try searching for "knot tying " in your search feature or the > macrame pages for something more in line with the knot you want. > Best, > Melody > > (snip) > Kimiko Small wrote: > Hi all, > > I will be working on a new Elizabethan loose gown (16th c.), and I > wanted to close them with Turkish knots. But I am having problems > finding info on them, or how to make period Turkish knots/frogs, and > my googling has only gotten a couple of leads. > > Any hints, links, mailing lists, or suggestions would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Kimiko Small > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 11:47:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GljQr018971 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:47:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26GknUJ026540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:47:38 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GjuDK023504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:45:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GjkcZ018153; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:45:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com (imo-m18.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26Gjfok017474 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:45:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cc9.c150867 (33856) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:45:31 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:45:30 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: robin hood To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad41c8ae-43a3-4d7c-9acf-b1af7eca32fb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45ED9AFA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It's like those old westerns where Olivia de Havilland is crossing the plains...in a velvet designer concoction with a huge fur hat, but everyone else in the covered wagon train looks very convincingly 1840's middle/lower class. It's because extras are dressed by assistants from a pulled stock. They seem a lot more eager to get it right rather than "express themselves" through design innovations. There's also usually a billboard of research pictures for these dressers to consult when pulling for an extra. And then the on-set people will pull out the best looking extras and stick them in front. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 11:51:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GpMGP019131 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:51:22 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26GoRDN002656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:51:15 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GntbV024623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:49:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GnnKS023987; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:49:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com (imo-m16.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.206]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26Gni4r023710 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:49:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bc9.bd0ef71 (33856) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:49:26 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:49:26 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dracula, was robin hood To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e51de36b-3364-4e7c-94d8-462a4f1ab233 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45ED9BD3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 11:58:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26Gw84F019377 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:58:08 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26GvDGC005643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:58:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GufWm026149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:56:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GubA8032179; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:56:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail01.unl.edu (webmail01.unl.edu [129.93.1.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GuTVf032013 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:56:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail01.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l26GuR623407 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:56:27 -0600 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dracula, was robin hood Message-ID: <1173200187.45ed9d3be2fa8@webmail01.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:56:27 -0600 (CST) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0dbb04ce-3971-40b5-8284-9c9e117988c7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45ED9D69.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Emma http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 11:59:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26GxIVh019433 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:59:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26GwRNm007002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:59:10 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26Gvrct026313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:57:53 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26Gvmfs033481; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:57:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26Gvfqd033283 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:57:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ce0.c175b0c (33856) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:57:22 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:57:22 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: robin hood To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 116ddd02-ac96-49ca-bac7-e62207ddda26 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45ED9DB3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 12:03:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H3kH2019618 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:03:46 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26H2rc1002231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:03:39 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H2OJO027182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:02:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H2Hu2038626; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:02:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H27cS038314 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:02:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c0b.11e0d5c6 (33856) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:01:57 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:01:57 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb647a0e-3ee1-4b57-aa5c-33e22cc3d59a X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45ED9EBD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:03:39 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 3/5/2007 8:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, nicolaa@rogers.com writes: > the bride in the correct > colour. NO they didn't! There was not anything near the bright coral red they should have been wearing! What were you watching?..'cause it wasn't the same thing I saw. Now how about the off the shoulder gown and the sweetheart neckline? Like I said before...the costumes in Fellini's "Satyracon" are more accurate! ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 12:08:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H8a7e019856 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:08:36 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26H7ecu016169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:08:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H74VN027775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H6uMf043903; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:06:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H6ov8043635 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:06:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bd5.acb27e7 (33856) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:06:13 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:06:13 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 352de2c2-4e60-4bf2-acdf-06bfec8fa7bc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45ED9FDD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:08:29 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 3/5/2007 8:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, nicolaa@rogers.com writes: > I've not seen anything so glaringly bad as what we saw in > Gladiator. ************** At least you can trace the "Gladiator" stuff to a source: the paintings of Alma-Tadema.They're just making stuff up in "Rome". ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 12:09:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H91Of019885 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:09:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26H867o005336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:08:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H7fgP027878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:07:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H7S7R044582; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:07:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [206.18.177.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26H7M7B044311 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:07:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (failure[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070306170712b1500a6rmue>; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:07:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1173200187.45ed9d3be2fa8@webmail01.unl.edu> References: <1173200187.45ed9d3be2fa8@webmail01.unl.edu> Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dracula, was robin hood Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:06:51 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e24c7e0-daa0-4a25-b7d1-45f8cc633859 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45ED9FF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:08:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Or are you referring to the recent production on PBS? I saw it and thought it wasn't great. Sylrog Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:56 AM, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > >> Could it be as bad as "Bram Stoker's Dracula"...that monstrosity with >> Winona >> and Keanu? Like the New Yorker review said: "They can't blame this >> mess >> on >> Bram Stoker!" > > I read a theory at one point that the more of the original author's > name is > included in the movie title, the more the movies strays from the > original work. > I had another example, but I can't remember it now... > > Emma > > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma > http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 12:13:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26HDbQv020145 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:13:37 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26HCfdG007737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:13:29 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26HCELi028703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:12:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26HCAWs050067; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:12:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26HC5Jk049886 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:12:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=tbCKOx9/x63kXk6XidvFuHCdYCnXePqJ2oEZYy2JiHiYbLw3AHEhC0/aqhd2NIrZ; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.24] (helo=mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HOdCf-0005aw-8J for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:11:57 -0500 Received: from 72.18.240.11 by webmail.atl.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:11:57 -0500 Message-ID: <18879013.1173201117239.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:11:57 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Chris Laning To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sarnen Robe? Chris Lanning - was Punches for cloth. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c3eeae345424495bf63e3ce94793a0b1f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.24 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a941a68-f552-4283-be48-f19fd7046c58 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EDA109.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:13:30 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Saragrace wrote: >Chris, what is the Sarnen Robe on your site? > >> I've mentioned this page before (probably the last time Bjarne >> brought this up, in fact...) >> http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm >> >> I've used metal leather-punching tools with pretty good results. It's a robe belonging to a famous statue of the Infant Jesus, which is located in Sarnen, near Lake Lucerne in Switzerland. Legend says that the deep red silk of the garment was from a dress given by Queen Agnes of Hungary in 1318. Many religious statues have been given richly decorated ???robes??? like these in which they may be clothed for special festivals There's a photo here: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/stars_spangles_studs.html And also some more details of making one's own bezants with leather stamping tools: http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/Articles/make_bezants.html (tooting my own horn, herem, with apologies...) ____________________________________________________________ 0 Chris Laning | + Davis, California http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 12:51:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26HppMs021816 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:51:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26HosmL030965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:51:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26HoM37034772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:50:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26HoIf3089472; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:50:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26HoEko089318 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:50:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49156] helo=[192.168.1.4]) by msysmta01.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.14.1 r(15310M)) with ESMTP id 24/60-05974-FC9ADE54 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:50:07 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200703061702.l26H2KY0038690@net.indra.com> References: <200703061702.l26H2KY0038690@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:49:51 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=38% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: paillet maker.. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d695fe73-da70-4cba-b609-12e70df1b253 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EDA9FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:51:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 10:02 AM -0700 3/6/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Just be sure your paillette-maker uses sturdy enough plates if you're >> going to use it on metal. I know folks who have tried to use the >> scrapbooking type of plastic-plate sort of thing, designed for paper, >> on lightweight metal, and the plastic gets mashed flat in about three >> passes.... no fun. >> Not this one--my friends been going crazy doing the metal stuff--and so far so good (gosh hope I didn't just jinx her!) Ta Carol--not clear on all the techi details (am resisting getting into another new craft this Spring...) > > I've mentioned this page before (probably the last time Bjarne >> brought this up, in fact...) >> http://claning.home.igc.org/bezants/bezants.htm >> >> I've used metal leather-punching tools with pretty good results. -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 13:03:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26I33e1022373 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:03:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l26I2Aij001929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:02:56 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26FBJfE002710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:21:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26Ecm41073981; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:38:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l26EchF3073819 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:38:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.18]) by bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 06:38:37 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 06:38:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:38:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:36:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 07:36:47 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Mar 2007 14:38:37.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[20538EA0:01C75FFD] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Robin Hood, Dracula and other period/fantasy films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16e7d32c-b193-41d6-ae3d-5d021e2a3d45 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EDACA2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:02:56 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I'm with Fran, I try not to expect much from films WRT costume authenticity. I loved Knight's Tale for the fun they had with it. I like the attempt to bring period stuff back into film making. I think it is interesting to watch the resurgence of it. My husband who is a Sci Fi fan wouldn't watch anything "period" until I pointed out to him that in many cases the two were almost indistinguishable. Now he'll try just about anything once. He is the one who brought "Rome" to my attention and is as hooked on it as I am. As to Dracula, I watched most of it on a whim, when nothing else was on while sewing. I thought it was pretty cheesy, and then noticed that (If we are talking about the same one), Van Helsing is played by Anthony Hopkins. Curious about that I looked up who made the film. Francis Ford Coppola - he is supposed to be good right? (Kenau Reeves plays Jonathon - I want to like him, he is so cute, but he bores me to death) As I recall the costumes were pretty (Mina's), but in some cases just totally wrong. Lucy reminded me of a prom queen. Well, hmm, now I am not sure if we are talking about the same film - I just looked up and saw that it was made in 1992..... Sorry to be so chatty.... Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: robin hood > > Is it on DVD? I don't have cable. I'll watch if the story is good, unless > the costumes are awful. > > Did anyone catch the "new" Dracula, which was just on here (probably last > year's BBC season). I saw about five minutes and couldn't take it after > Lucy's new husband left the wedding to perform some kind of blood-heavy > black mass or something. Everyone usually massacres Dracula in the same > Freudian way, but this looked like an equally stupid way to massacre it. I > sure wish someone would just do the real story. Anyway, I didn't get a > chance to notice the costumes. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 19:10:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l270Ai2O005563 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:10:49 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2709rXu007973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:10:37 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2709Lh7087920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:09:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2709F8u042999; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:09:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2709Cuf042950 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:09:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.164] (pm5-164.eos.net [205.133.149.164]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2709B40003853 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:09:11 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:51:09 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703061702.l26H2KY0038690@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 103 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f202b841-fbc4-481f-a205-fef19e35c83d X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EE02D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:10:38 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Saragrace wrote: > As to Dracula, I watched most of it on a whim, when nothing else was on > while sewing. I thought it was pretty cheesy, and then noticed that (If we > are talking about the same one), Van Helsing is played by Anthony Hopkins. > Curious about that I looked up who made the film. Francis Ford Coppola - he > is supposed to be good right? (Kenau Reeves plays Jonathon - I want to like > him, he is so cute, but he bores me to death) As I recall the costumes were > pretty (Mina's), but in some cases just totally wrong. Lucy reminded me of > a prom queen. Saragrace, I think you're talking about the feature film "Bram Stoker's Dracula," which was horrible. You know a movie is bad when they put the author's name in front of it. It's a dead giveaway that the movie will have nothing to do with the book! (A couple of years ago the guys who made "Airplane!" made a film called "Mafia." It was originally supposed to be called "Jane Austin's: Mafia" but they dropped the Jane Austin part because they thought people would be confused. I thought it was hilarious.) Couldn't get through that Dracula all, but the costumes got a lot of raves. The Dracula I'm talking about is a BBC series. Since Freud, everyone has interpreted Dracula as all about sex, and the character of Lucy is always a sex-crazed slut. The book is not like that at all. This series seems to have gone off on a different but equally stupid direction. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 20:18:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l271Hxus008439 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:18:03 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l271H8hF003654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:17:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l271GcD8096972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:16:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l271GY6s092979; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:16:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l271GVMa092926 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:16:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0B4165A0500; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 01:09:08 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:16:20 -0800 Message-ID: <00fc01c76056$369cad00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d56aefb7-3fba-44c3-af4e-12af7abda14d X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EE1294.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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And the wording (which was what I'm more familiar with) was more or less right. > Now how about the off the shoulder gown and the sweetheart neckline? > As I said, the women's clothes range in quality from not bad to not so good, which is typical for these types of pictures. There are definitely dresses which are more "Romanesque" than Roman. The more accurate garments (with the exception of what they have the "madam" wearing) tend not to be worn by the stars.... There's quite a lot you could quibble about in this series (as I said earlier, there's a lot of glossing over -- for instance, Antony was Octavia's third husband, and he had also previously had a couple of wives--and a lot of "filling in the blanks") - but there are clearly some people doing research and applying it. Which is better than average. I don't think the costuming, in general, is the strong suit of the research they've done, however. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 23:11:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l274BeVC015047 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:11:40 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l274Anev017862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:11:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l274AS08018095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:10:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l274AQX3008751; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:10:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l274AN5o008641 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:10:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 17885 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2007 04:10:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aYIBNjehZx2K6nVkzW7IkAl008J1z5M1TIxl4AcnOKyiJU64oUwz+KGzDu9q4qN6NTHIFS18PodCtA4EO/lT5MXeBz8rJibPn0LaG5lxrcMASvHhD7bo7JyxDzTmBiU1lFKI5JNH9XUp5/bDfJiPm8gI9CJDNNMwuKacmPc8CYA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?74.118.207.58?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:11:33 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Greetings-- AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > At least you can trace the "Gladiator" stuff to a source: the paintings of > Alma-Tadema.They're just making stuff up in "Rome". > > Well, to quibble with that--that's like using Waterhouse to document medieval clothes. Alma-Tadema is no "better" a source than something completely made up. And I don't recall seeing corset-like garments in Alma-Tadema's works. I stand by my original statement that the costume design is "uneven" rather than "bad." I have seen attempts to get the right look, but I've also seen some much more "costume-y" items in the mix. I will also freely admit to having my expertise not in Roman clothing, but of Roman history and literature--so I've been much more interested in whether the characters "come off right" in the series.... Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 6 23:13:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l274DNSp015095 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:13:23 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l274CSZ6025478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:13:16 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l274Bi2I018267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:11:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l274BhvR009729; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:11:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l274Be0Z009686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:11:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l274Ktsp020315 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:20:55 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:13:16 -0500 (EST) Status: RO On Tuesday 06 March 2007 11:00 pm, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > Greetings-- > > AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 3/5/2007 8:57:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > nicolaa@rogers.com writes: > >> the bride in the correct > >> colour. > > > > NO they didn't! There was not anything near the bright coral red they > > should have been wearing! What were you watching?..'cause it wasn't the > > same thing I saw. > > What I saw was veiling and clothes in various shades of flame > orange--which I understood was correct. I apologize if I got it > wrong--but it was definitely not white, for instance. Someone was > clearly trying for the right colour. And the wording (which was what > I'm more familiar with) was more or less right. I'm not familiar with the HBO series you're discussing (I don't even have a cable subscription) but I'm somewhat familiar with the costume issue being discussed. My understanding is that the veil worn by brides in ancient Rome was "flame colored," but I was not aware that there was any kind of consensus about what color that actually meant. What is your source for the flammeum being "coral red"? I'm curious. -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! 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Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 00:02:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2752mNK016852 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:02:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2751qcG007511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:02:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2751L7W023456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:01:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2751IEt041629; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:01:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2751DbZ041523 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:01:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A4C133BB3 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:01:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-164.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-164.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.164]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:01:13 +1100 Message-ID: <1173243673.45ee4719ee7e0@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:01:13 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? References: <45EE38F8.10409@rogers.com> <45EE3BF7.3040307@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <45EE3BF7.3040307@rogers.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4422312d-ce48-4d52-ae96-61ce3f999ffa X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EE4740.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:02:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Does the colour really matter? It is not a documentary. If we are gonna nit- pick over the clothes, we have to nitpick over the plaster walls, the forced perspectives and the obvious cycloramas. I am more pleased that a network would take an effort that was not ponces in togas and screen it at a decent time, (9:30 or 10:30) last year, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 00:14:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l275DtEt017246 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:13:55 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l275D0J7007924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:13:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l275CaEB024799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:12:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l275CZMv049343; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:12:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l275CV64049245 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:12:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=oCnsr4XBcE/bWORMrf7RwqupU3IErBdLKtOJLPPzZhCE38xHZXWLPeELVGvis07N; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.235] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HOoRu-0003CH-C9 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:12:26 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070306230824.05769180@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:10:13 -0600 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200703061702.l26H2KY0038690@net.indra.com> References: <200703061702.l26H2KY0038690@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e531c9668f5e3d99fefa91da0969d475d11b62dfcf69f1fabf8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.235 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Author's name in movie title X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d9559ba-a800-4bd8-9e79-601aaca5d456 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EE49DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:13:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Possibly...."Mary Shelley's Frankenstein"? Sandy At 11:02 AM 3/6/2007, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:56:27 -0600 (CST) >From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Dracula, was robin hood > > > Could it be as bad as "Bram Stoker's Dracula"...that monstrosity with > > Winona and Keanu? Like the New Yorker review said: "They can't > blame this mess > > on Bram Stoker!" > >I read a theory at one point that the more of the original author's name is >included in the movie title, the more the movies strays from the >original work. >I had another example, but I can't remember it now... > >Emma "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 00:56:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l275uKuB018600 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:56:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l275tO7t007286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:56:12 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l275sj4I030193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:54:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l275sitH077272; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:54:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l275sfjT077194 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:54:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53335 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2007 05:54:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TKDrLhyc4i2cK3Tk5jO70YMzo0yPGDvyoaeaMWq1x2hWx3XTAvwBYSLbSGPfyC9fS7iS1LOg1K/k/Q+W5h1Z6I0l1/LZweTWd9Rl3VwFzi10v+O+HEWjtiM7L2ViINS1d2QiNiYWlNAE7CpxN4MWk0ishsPhj9OtD4ZV3VqwPPM= ; Message-ID: <20070307055436.53333.qmail@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 566iFFwVM1nDmwfAB0LHM11aswnxvlHKsvdQfMXKx4OZXTqgfK3TvsuL5dl3FJUpwo_6vV6Zq727zkhjUMQ3t.83OfuZKyvY.0jliEAJVl8Fo.v6rRfk4XjCVBI1sDLS3A8PAaVzBpfimBG8VggK_ByZUg-- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:54:36 PST Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:54:36 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <457716.90440.qm@web33612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d9a42a7-a55a-4829-8330-a9ac1120f672 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EE53CC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:56:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Hello Sheree, Thank you so much for the info you provided. From another list I was given this link as well. http://fingerloop.org/aglet.html At the bottom of the page is some detailed sketches that really help, along with a bit more info than I had before. If the buttons were anything like the buttons I learned to make modernly, then I can follow how they would not need a core other than the cording/braid itself. Or perhaps they were cloth covered buttons? I will have to delve some more. Thanks again, and let me know if you find out anything more. I shall do the same. Kimiko slc_fire wrote: Kimiko, I've been on this hunt for a few months too. One thing I've learned - Chinese knots are not at all the same as period Turkish knots/buttons. The buttons on the Turkish coats are interesting. I'm told, however, that the extant buttons in the V&A do not have a wooden core. So you're guess is as good as mine when it comes to the real construction. If you find out more please let me know. Sheree --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 01:00:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27600hR018715 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 01:00:00 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l275x2P8030992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:59:52 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l275wZ70030670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:58:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l275wYZB079731; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:58:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l275wVLg079661 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:58:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 21134 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2007 05:58:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ysSAyrMjvQNfNQ2knUKwS0rzlKthewBHlfuzu0UqrCYytp9Rkbku8bD/hTkUyJ2TGOb+sxPZZqUvIzyvpfhkvQF0Bn0VksaMimMILsyMnRDN/v/ZCw4ZCgvH61gWTApou5kJAO3ESYDVfiVbokIL2jpRbl3GX13iNPA3x+2kK20=; X-YMail-OSG: 52cqFAgVM1njMltIGV481eG_iGFFmliO39fRy7wGg8OY2xhX2cGvfGTa1_8FwI1pqxPcPQBlJqELcQQlwfYTuHj8AOiJof7anAKIGuN5Tx7Vt4c946TI0dYO_8gtYb0oOJjO.tp2EER_UcNfwCZkgnLI Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:58:26 PST Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? An interesting page for you.... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <564883.20802.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 170cc5c2-66a4-4844-ba93-81ac64a6b764 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EE54A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Search Marketing. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 01:02:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2762I9W018774 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 01:02:18 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2761JMJ014766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 01:02:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2760xER031236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:00:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2760vC5081647; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:00:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2760rZZ081501 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:00:55 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 55944 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2007 06:00:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WAqV3olEqqjmeaxl0OWjMgrURuLYZW6BLZERxL3D8gQVCsH3DprOU1+NsfkXjlPwLBCB2ItWhYVsKt7FrBVT3yyag1qiS5Of/YGB2GjyFkMDOm1EcREsMW4AjCcSy5Thnghs0vwESfKMVnfc9e01vSPdVbwDtDNPTTH0DDLTSXM= ; Message-ID: <20070307060048.55942.qmail@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: AXWMv00VM1lUIKarQm2zHBjG2uOdcLYsbsQ4rGJ0pROGnMcMtC_9R07uAcDjyroKSYpoaM7Uy708GL.0L.4h.J_5zbgiALYWgXBAcz8mwoM9HmJaR4AMszrHcTz1oy5rRhF4yckjOa6qhV2Cytv8qlicQA-- Received: from [129.8.206.204] by web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:00:48 PST Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:00:48 -0800 (PST) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? An interesting page for you.... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <73305.48040.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67a0af8c-4e06-49ff-8213-494e8ede1610 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EE552F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <657076.43324.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d8c3fc7-0ee8-4490-bcb5-9f43a60cbe49 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EE57D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:27:57 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <657076.43324.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6415d340-16a9-48fa-84af-12960489cbf4 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45EE5BA9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:04:57 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 3/6/2007 11:01:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, nicolaa@rogers.com writes: > but there are clearly > some people doing research and applying it. Which is better than > average. I don't think the costuming, in general, is the strong suit of > the research they've done, however. > > ***************** Now that I'll agree with. The annoying thing about the wedding color for me was...there were 2 weddings in that episode. In the 1st, there was nothing remotely red or orange or pink. In the second wedding, the pinks were so off I just assumed they had no connection with any attempt at getting the colors right. None had been made the 1st time around. 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 02:13:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l277Dlhr025487 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:13:52 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l277CnmH026712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:13:40 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l277CMI6039852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:12:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l277CI9v025503; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l277CGO7025389 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:12:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.cda.951f724 (32915) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:12:05 EST Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6036 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5554ef6-9163-4db1-9edc-bd23b918da4a X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EE65F1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:13:40 -0500 (EST) Status: RO In a message dated 3/6/2007 11:12:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, cathy@thyrsus.com writes: > What is your source for the flammeum > being "coral red"? I'm curious. > Not sure. I remember it from costume history in school, but it has been also supported by various people and sources after that. And I seem to remember an ancient wall painting or something depicting a bride in coral red. Of course that doesn't mean the coral color was always used I suppose...since it might be the original source of what I was told in school and later. That would be like depending on one instance. But like I said... there was one wedding in the episode of "Rome" with no red what so ever on the bride. 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 03:44:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l278idj9018766 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 03:44:39 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l278hhwO005246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 03:44:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l278h1S8051215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 01:43:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l278guEx087169; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 01:42:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l278gqHB087085 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 01:42:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from skrossa-ml@medievalscotland.org) Received: from [68.164.94.15] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HOrjT-0000JW-07 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:42:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1173243673.45ee4719ee7e0@webmail.netspace.net.au> References: <45EE38F8.10409@rogers.com> <45EE3BF7.3040307@rogers.com> <1173243673.45ee4719ee7e0@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:42:40 -0800 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcdee878eae95f3342b8ae5a905986c31b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.94.15 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 536b7942-8e15-41de-9bde-ff54355160b3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EE7B3F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:44:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 4:01 PM +1100 3/7/07, stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: >Does the colour really matter? It is not a documentary. But it _is_ claiming to be set in historical Rome -- to the best of my knowledge it is not marketed as either science fiction or fantasy. Criticizing how well they portray that claimed setting is as legitimate as criticizing any other aspect of the production. Getting the history -- including the costuming -- discernibly wrong is no different than, say, having boulders that are discernibly made of foam rather than rock, or acting that it wooden; it may or may not significantly affect the ability of viewers to suspend disbelief and/or enjoy the film, but either way it is fair game for comment (that is, criticism). Why so many people think that _historical_ movies/programs should be immune from any criticism of such a major component of their content is a mystery to me... >If we are gonna nit- >pick over the clothes, we have to nitpick over the plaster walls, the forced >perspectives and the obvious cycloramas. This is H-Costume, naturally it is the clothing that attracts the most attention. On a mailing list dedicated to other aspects of history other aspects of the series will attract more attention. On a mailing list dedicated to physics, physics-defying aspects will attract the most attention. And so on. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, PhD - skrossa-ml@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://www.MedievalScotland.org/ Shopping Online? Help support! - http://MedievalScotland.org/patron/ The most complete index of reliable web articles about pre-1600 names: The Medieval Names Archive - http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 04:09:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2799PWs021130 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 04:09:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2798TPH026440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 04:09:18 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2797wo6055139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:07:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2797uuB004140; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:07:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2797Z4H003848 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:07:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.24860296; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:07:17 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l2797GX16369.; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:07:16 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:07:16 +0000 Message-Id: <45EE80BA02000014000CCB05@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:07:06 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. References: <00fc01c76056$369cad00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <00fc01c76056$369cad00$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c8695a4-90ef-4295-8ad2-647dd20bd39b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EE810D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 04:09:18 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Brilliant! I love the detail in the sleeves. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> "Sharon Collier" 07/03/2007 01:16 >>> Wonderful! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 3:59 PM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. Here are a few pics from the Phoenix Art Museum talk I did last week. Still tweaking the CSS style sheets so bear with me! I'll be updating some of the details for the diary now that I have time ..... http://saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/Actuals/Event/index.htm Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 05:23:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27ANFa2003092 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:23:19 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27AMN2F020085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:23:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27AKlxh063932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 03:20:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27AKgr7046190; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 03:20:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27AKbOP046145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 03:20:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 00B5E84A94; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0567C849E3 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:20:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:20:29 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c760a2$3d99da50$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcdggkovHMgRoX2WQuOlitKgMTLzXQAH2MIg In-Reply-To: <200703070628.l276S31q098477@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2fbc910c-8baf-4220-9f05-67bca789c20e X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EE925F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:23:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Gorgeous gown and details. I wondering, however, about the bodice front and the bumroll. I can accept that a bumroll may have been that wide, but I'm curious about the bodice front, in that it is my understanding, perhaps mistakenly, the front would have been heavily boned, perhaps even with busk, in order for it to lay flat down the torso, with the bumroll, tapering toward the front to allow for the bodice to lay correctly. Any thoughts? Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Launching April 1: Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 05:47:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27Almbo009001 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:47:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27AkqHg017348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:47:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27AkOcu067124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 03:46:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27AkMYq059304; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 03:46:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au (smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27AkI6D059222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 03:46:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from 202-136-107-76.ip.adam.com.au ([202.136.107.76] helo=GilgameshII) by smtp1.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HOtet-000J12-Hi for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:16:11 +1030 Message-ID: <001701c760a5$ce9aa4a0$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200703070628.l276S31s098477@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:16:05 +1030 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3908ea5d-a39d-480d-a911-b83363c0e8a7 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EE981C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:47:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Is this the one that is subtitled "Sex, Death etc" or something? I watched one episode and no more, although they did the usual thing here and shoved it to a later time slot/took it off after it didn't immediately generate massive ratings. I thought that was quite surprising given the amount of skin on show. I didn't expect much out of the costumes and was pleasantly unsurprised (the mucky looking togas were particularly jarring), but it was the other little details that irritated me (why shouldn't we nitpick, it's so much fun....) enough to switch it off. Claire Message: 8 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:01:13 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: HBO Rome series - anyone else watching? To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <1173243673.45ee4719ee7e0@webmail.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does the colour really matter? It is not a documentary. If we are gonna nit- pick over the clothes, we have to nitpick over the plaster walls, the forced perspectives and the obvious cycloramas. I am more pleased that a network would take an effort that was not ponces in togas and screen it at a decent time, (9:30 or 10:30) last year, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 07:45:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27Cjmbt031090 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:45:48 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27Civ3o007351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:45:41 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27CiFgJ081202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:44:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27CiBf6025926; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:44:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27Ci6iC025886 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:44:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.8.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.8] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HOvUz-0001i4-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:44:06 -0500 Message-ID: <45EEC1AC.9060003@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:44:12 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 867b4312-021a-4ea5-99ee-3fa160b32312 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EEB3C9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:45:41 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Could you send links to the other part(s) of that site that talk about Polish and Turkish coats? The page below says nothing about them and has no links to other pages. Thanks! Melanie otsisto wrote: > Sorry I forgot to mention, the first site is not Chinese knots but from a > site talking about Turkish and Polish coats of the late 1500s and 1600s > which I thought it said so on the site. > De > > -----Original Message----- > Thank you for the suggested sites. And yes, I started looking under chinese > knots, but haven't found the connection (yet) to Turkish knots, which look > different. I think modern sites give modern info, and perhaps little > research has been done to link the two styles, if there is any link. > > Kimiko > > > otsisto wrote: > button > http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/button_knots.htm > > Have you considered chinese knots? > http://www.chineseknotting.org/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 07:54:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27CspZA031505 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:54:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27Cru5k014372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:54:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27CraDt082321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:53:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27CrY54031243; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:53:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27CrV4M031206 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:53:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.24880519; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:53:14 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l27CrDX26579.; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:53:13 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:53:13 +0000 Message-Id: <45EEB5AA02000014000CCB86@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:52:58 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. References: <200703070628.l276S31q098477@net.indra.com> <000001c760a2$3d99da50$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <000001c760a2$3d99da50$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=37% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de42e9cc-a9e6-4f27-bafe-904aca189805 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EEB5E4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:54:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I think I've seen stomachers like that from the early 17th century, that curve out over the skirts. I do 1630-40s and make my stomachers straight, to wear with a tapered bumroll as you describe. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor >>> "Five Rivers Chapmanry" 07/03/2007 10:20 >>> Gorgeous gown and details. I wondering, however, about the bodice front and the bumroll. I can accept that a bumroll may have been that wide, but I'm curious about the bodice front, in that it is my understanding, perhaps mistakenly, the front would have been heavily boned, perhaps even with busk, in order for it to lay flat down the torso, with the bumroll, tapering toward the front to allow for the bodice to lay correctly. Any thoughts? Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Launching April 1: Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 08:06:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27D6Eqi032079 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:06:14 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27D5Itu016632 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:06:07 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27D4np9083767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:04:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27D4m25038119; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:04:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27D4jg5038093 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:04:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.8.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.8] helo=faucet.net) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HOvoy-0002Cd-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:04:45 -0500 Message-ID: <45EEC681.1090001@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:04:49 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish underwear References: <649733.75834.qm@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b368872-47dd-4de9-8c5c-a21265c1fd25 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EEB88E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:06:07 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Surviving cut-and-sewn hose from the 16th century: a pair of white linen hose with embroidered tops and no feet (Janet Arnold, Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, p. 207. These belong to the Metropolitan Museum of Art.) a pair of yellow men's hose made in the later 16th century as part of a costume meant to look like it was from the early 16th century. (Mechtild Flury-Lemberg, Textile Conservation and Research, trans. Pamela Liebundgut. Bern: Abegg-Stiftung, 1988, pp. 222-231. These belong to the Berne Historical Museum.) pieces from the Museum of London illustrated (with reconstruction) in Elisabeth Crowfoot, et al, Textiles and Clothing c. 1150-c. 1450, pp. 188-189. Despite the date range in the title, these are from the 16th c., included as a comparison with the 14th-c. finds. pieces from the Mary Rose illustrated (with reconstruction) in Julie Gardiner, Before the Mast: Life and Death Aboard the Mary Rose, pp. 57-58. Melanie Schuessler Kathy Page wrote: > I am also looking for surviving > stockings or other leg coverings, same period, male or female, I > don't care where they are from, particularly those that have been > pieced at the legs. (i.e. selvedge edges butted together that run on > the bias) Spain isn't quite my area of expertise, so I am a little > lost as to where to begin finding images. Thanks! Kathy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 08:46:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27Dkd4o000894 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:46:43 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27DjfIe025799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:46:32 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27DfjWZ087727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:45:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27DbQXt058615; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:37:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27DawBl058238 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:37:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Mar 2007 13:25:08 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAADNO7kXUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPMAEBAQEHDgwe Received: from 88-107-112-10.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.112.10]:2194 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HOvyx-0003cS-Jf for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:15:03 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070307131423.03667090@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:15:03 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Spanish underwear In-Reply-To: <45EEC681.1090001@faucet.net> References: <649733.75834.qm@web52113.mail.yahoo.com> <45EEC681.1090001@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 906f1cf9-dcab-4993-80f4-660e9ad8ffc5 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EEC205.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:46:32 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 14:04 07/03/2007, you wrote: >Surviving cut-and-sewn hose from the 16th century: >a pair of white linen hose with embroidered tops and no feet (Janet >Arnold, Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe Unlock'd, p. 207. These belong to >the Metropolitan Museum of Art.) > >a pair of yellow men's hose made in the later 16th century as part >of a costume meant to look like it was from the early 16th century. >(Mechtild Flury-Lemberg, Textile Conservation and Research, trans. >Pamela Liebundgut. Bern: Abegg-Stiftung, 1988, pp. 222-231. These >belong to the Berne Historical Museum.) > >pieces from the Museum of London illustrated (with reconstruction) >in Elisabeth Crowfoot, et al, Textiles and Clothing c. 1150-c. 1450, >pp. 188-189. Despite the date range in the title, these are from >the 16th c., included as a comparison with the 14th-c. finds. > >pieces from the Mary Rose illustrated (with reconstruction) in Julie >Gardiner, Before the Mast: Life and Death Aboard the Mary Rose, pp. 57-58. > >Melanie Schuessler Museum of London has a stocking - 16th century - on display in the Medieval Gallery. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 09:28:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27ES7ta002404 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:28:07 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27ER9wi029511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:27:59 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27ELjdQ092454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:26:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27ECp37083551; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:12:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27ECmPO083515 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:12:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 67F5F3E761 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:12:48 -0600 (CST) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:12:48 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <45EEC1AC.9060003@faucet.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39787968-96a4-4d38-a4fa-3c0deac83d4e X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45EECBBD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:28:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I had googled it and I can't remember what I googled to find the site. I'll try later when I have more time. I was tired when I found the main site and assumed the button site had a home key. I did find this site on Ottoman http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/OttomanPatterns.htm http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Costume/ofurcollarS.JPG De -----Original Message----- Could you send links to the other part(s) of that site that talk about Polish and Turkish coats? The page below says nothing about them and has no links to other pages. Thanks! Melanie otsisto wrote: > Sorry I forgot to mention, the first site is not Chinese knots but from a > site talking about Turkish and Polish coats of the late 1500s and 1600s > which I thought it said so on the site. > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 10:38:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27FcB84005064 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:38:11 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27FbKwl001842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:38:03 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27FaiAL008541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:36:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27FaeqE067175; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:36:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [206.18.177.51]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27Fab5J067060 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:36:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070307153631b1100a3oo4e>; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:36:32 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <657076.43324.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <657076.43324.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Turkish knots aka frogs? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:36:31 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ee91be8-3589-4695-a349-014bd9838343 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EEDC30.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:38:04 -0500 (EST) Status: RO What do the Turkish knots look like? On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Kimiko Small wrote: > Thank you for the suggested sites. And yes, I started looking under > chinese knots, but haven't found the connection (yet) to Turkish > knots, which look different. I think modern sites give modern info, > and perhaps little research has been done to link the two styles, if > there is any link. > > Kimiko > > > otsisto wrote: > button > http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/button_knots.htm > > Have you considered chinese knots? > http://www.chineseknotting.org/ > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 11:51:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27Gp858007757 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:51:13 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27GoFj3022144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:51:01 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27GnZNO021303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:49:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27GnTOY047866; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:49:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27GnMju047648 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:49:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.22]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:49:16 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:49:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:49:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" References: <000001c760a2$3d99da50$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:47:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:47:29 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2007 16:49:16.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[8ADD7480:01C760D8] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e63ad9b-8600-4d7e-a2c7-476c5e4a76f5 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45EEED48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:51:01 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thank you for your kind words. If you look at the picture, I think you'll see that it does not lay flat. http://saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/PAM_PICS/Overall.JPG The farthingale should have been tilted more to the front. I was in a hurry to get back to start the auditorium and didn't notice it when I was taking the pics. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:20 AM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. > Gorgeous gown and details. I wondering, however, about the bodice > front and the bumroll. I can accept that a bumroll may have been that > wide, > but I'm curious about the bodice front, in that it is my understanding, > perhaps mistakenly, the front would have been heavily boned, perhaps even > with busk, in order for it to lay flat down the torso, with the bumroll, > tapering toward the front to allow for the bodice to lay correctly. > > Any thoughts? > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, > original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Launching April 1: > Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 15:07:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27K7tp0013720 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:07:56 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27K6xsF027119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:07:48 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27K6GZM050928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:06:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27K69fW044839; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:06:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27K5tOS044618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:06:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id BDE2484ADC; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055F4849E6 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:05:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:05:49 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c760f4$02b23a70$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acdg65snOKMLbeEcRo6oGL3mzSKILwACBNgg In-Reply-To: <200703071901.l27J1OSM083035@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7868b10-9eea-46c8-aac5-133d77885610 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45EF1B63.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:07:48 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Oooo thanks for the image. Fascinating that. Almost makes one wonder if this wasn't a maternity outfit. Very odd. Haven't ever seen another example like that, or have I been missing the boat here? :-) Do you = know? Is this an unusual example, or quite the norm? Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Launching April 1: Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 7 15:15:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27KFwkV014006 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:15:58 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l27KF3qU028580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:15:51 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27KEf5Y052775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:14:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l27KEdnk053377; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:14:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52104.mail.yahoo.com (web52104.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.107]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l27KEXBl053198 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:14:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 15650 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Mar 2007 20:14:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=fNWDe5oBL7fh5APYrVNIt8myFNgPZG3c+/42Ey45yV0cgdGyS/EY9V2sF4v7IVechcUGoRA8JB16O+8MuMXXuqoSCiYfzi44dQhORZ4d/Q1RZvpccIHtwaQ5ihAhSQkQnW5lyJfjx4zetCP/G5oVirbMF64zSYRjCb1v7xnNZ7I=; X-YMail-OSG: 5DaeNykVM1n8NhXQtMxNXnJrs1EwWtEdJC_SjV0wRu6EE2E_F5ROjJ24GTn05XX5Sk4N3FHSmRr7C1WSWvoZoHpsKjAK3FwmQVDQMeXe9er3fZCmKMO4luKNPJoeKi5DTTG5d0pwb1_2pnNHQThZtFES.w-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:14:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/468.1 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.8 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <651692.14651.qm@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Spanish underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e505658-4b14-48ae-9676-cded700faf57 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45EF1D47.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:46:00 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Thought you should know... I was looking for fine jewelry of a Tudor fashion. Found this and got distracted. Admittedly, I clicked on the link mostly because I'm a native Virginian and it's almost the 400th anniversary of the founding of the colony. The Jamestown historic preservation society, APVA, has reproduced one of the items found on site. I have to say, it's pretty novel in the museum replica world. Sterling silver ear picker re-purposed as a pin, because you never know when you might need one, I guess. http://www.apva.org/store/item_view.php?id=10&p1=6 Form the website: Sterling Silver Ear Picker Pin A status symbol and hygienic tool, this ear picker/tooth cleaner was found at the James Fort site by APVA Preservation Virginia archaeologists. The 17th-century English knew about plaque, which they called scale or surf, and were encouraged by doctors to scrape their teeth frequently. They also knew that a buildup of earwax could cause deafness. As was the fashion for many of these tools, our ear picker is double-ended, combining the function of an ear scoop with that of a nail/tooth cleaner. Ear pickers were used by all levels of society in medieval and post-medieval England, but ours, being silver, probably belonged to a gentleman. Like the original, our reproduction is sterling silver. Comes in a burgundy velvet gift box. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 06:42:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28BgUVb027559 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 06:42:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l28Bfc8N026872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 06:42:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28BevJw063128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 04:40:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28Beo7w066625; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 04:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28BejeO066574 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 04:40:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.189.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.189] helo=faucet.net) by pop-savannah.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HPGzE-000321-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:40:44 -0500 Message-ID: <45F0044F.6010308@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:40:47 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish underwear References: <651692.14651.qm@web52104.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f35867f-59a2-437e-ac95-9881e95c8c20 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45EFF672.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 09:15:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28EFpHd010280 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:15:51 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l28EEtAH012023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:15:44 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28EEWZl081029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:14:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28EETGs064789; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:14:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28EEOQV064718 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:14:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.145] (pm5-145.eos.net [205.133.149.145]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l28EEM40001620 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:14:23 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:56:22 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703070628.l276S31q098477@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: phoenix art museum pix X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f9be121-8031-4e73-955e-d32bb7af536f X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F01A60.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:15:44 -0500 (EST) Status: RO on saragrace wrote: > Here are a few pics from the Phoenix Art Museum talk I did last week. Still > > tweaking the CSS style sheets so bear with me! I'll be updating some of the > > details for the diary now that I have time ..... > > > http://saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/Actuals/Event/index.htm > Saragrace, I just had a minute to look at your wonderful pictures. Who is the little girl who is in the corner of the first one? I hope you had a great audience, it looks like a fabulous talk. Here is my question. The gown looks just right to me -- correct fit, shape, silhouette, etc. But it sure looks uncomfortable! I know that most people today think almost anything historic looks uncomfortable, but I don't. I've worn a lot of historic styles, or approximations thereof, and have found almost all of them to be perfectly comfortable (and more comfortable than badly fitting contemporary clothes). But this just looks uncomfortable for sitting, standing, walking, anything. How do those of you on the list who wear this style find it? Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 10:08:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28F8Tw6011907 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:08:30 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l28F7YWk006759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:08:22 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28F7AC4089792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:07:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28F76LN005317; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:07:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28F72gB005195 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:07:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.25]) by bay0-omc2-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:06:57 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:06:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:06:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: phoenix art museum pix Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:06:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:06:53 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2007 15:06:57.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A5C7740:01C76193] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81e71bec-8740-4f06-b3cb-c41b93e380d7 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F026B6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:08:22 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Very astute observation. It was uncomfortable - I agree with you, in the past nothing I've made has been uncomfortable, but this was, and I attributed it to the way I cut the bodice. The corset wasn't uncomfortable if worn in the "normal push up mode", but Heather, the model, said it was uncomfortable because she had to push her breasts down instead of up. We did that because other wise the top of the bodice looked wrong. I should qualify this, she said it wasn't uncomfortable, but that she wouldn't be able to exert herself in much of anyway. Also, she said it was tough to find out what to do with her arms. On the Queen Elizabeth gown (in the background), at least she could allow her arms to hang down in front of her because the farthingale was flat in front. Here she could not, and it wasn't comfortable for her to bend her arm and rest it on the farthingale either. My biggest cutting mistake from this perspective was the way the sleeves set into the bodice. No matter what I did, they just didn't really look right, and she really couldn't move her arms up and down much. The overgown sleeves were hooked in. Having those open underarms was a life saver..otherwise it would have been really hard to get the overgown on. The little girl, is actually a little boy. Back then, at his age, they all dressed pretty much the same which was part of the point of the lecture....I don't really have very good pictures of Andrew yet, (I am hoping his mom got some good ones.) I will post what I have in the next few days. Some of the research pictures I have on line give you some sense of where the boy's outfit came from. Thank you for your thoughtful observations, Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail & Scott Finke" To: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: [h-cost] Re: phoenix art museum pix > on saragrace wrote: > > > Here are a few pics from the Phoenix Art Museum talk I did last week. > > Still > > > > tweaking the CSS style sheets so bear with me! I'll be updating some of > > the > > > > details for the diary now that I have time ..... > > > > > > http://saragrace.us/images/GoldenAge/Actuals/Event/index.htm > > > > Saragrace, I just had a minute to look at your wonderful pictures. Who is > the little girl who is in the corner of the first one? I hope you had a > great audience, it looks like a fabulous talk. > > Here is my question. The gown looks just right to me -- correct fit, > shape, > silhouette, etc. But it sure looks uncomfortable! I know that most people > today think almost anything historic looks uncomfortable, but I don't. > I've > worn a lot of historic styles, or approximations thereof, and have found > almost all of them to be perfectly comfortable (and more comfortable than > badly fitting contemporary clothes). But this just looks uncomfortable for > sitting, standing, walking, anything. > > How do those of you on the list who wear this style find it? > > Gail Finke > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 10:20:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28FKDwE012311 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:20:17 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l28FJMJ6029718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:20:05 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28FIlas091021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:18:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28FIjqq014945; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:18:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28FIgvO014836 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:18:44 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.25]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:18:37 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:18:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:18:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c760f4$02b23a70$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Netherlands Clothing early 17th century-preganacy etc....Was: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:18:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:18:34 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Mar 2007 15:18:37.0606 (UTC) FILETIME=[0B9ABC60:01C76195] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bd07512-6c83-43f7-9afa-9ad03ff62f93 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F0297A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:20:06 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Lorina, this is quite the norm for the first part of the 17th century in the Netherlands - (which at the time was much larger than it is now.) The bodice is pretty tight, doubtful of much use for pregnancy. The outer gown on the other hand is a possibility. I took this pattern from Juan Algacea's pattern book - it is a mourning gown. I justified this because the Netherlands were under Spanish control for about 80 years. This gown can be made several different ways, one of which has a false front underneath the "sack" of the back. That would lace up, and of course be adjustable. I saw this gown for the first time at Mathew Gnagy's shop (Desert Torch Tailoring) at local event (might have been Estrella Wars). http://www.deserttorch.com/DTT/DTT_2003%20historical%20female.htm (the red gown in the middle of the page) http://www.deserttorch.com/DTT/DTT_2002%20historical%20female.htm (green and cream in the second row, and cream in the 4th row) I am thinking about putting my slide show up in a Flash movie for folks to see. I can also post my "talk" - it is pretty rough, since I had most of it memorized, but it might give folks a little background. Thank you for your thoughts, Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. Oooo thanks for the image. Fascinating that. Almost makes one wonder if this wasn't a maternity outfit. Very odd. Haven't ever seen another example like that, or have I been missing the boat here? :-) Do you know? Is this an unusual example, or quite the norm? Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Launching April 1: Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 16:39:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28LdLtx025803 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:39:21 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l28LcPcT026400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:39:14 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28LbZk1045556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:37:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28LbPxb090540; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:37:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52101.mail.yahoo.com (web52101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.48.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l28LbJhi090381 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:37:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 52047 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Mar 2007 21:37:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=3aCTA3ZQQ7P0O6VUdfKr1pvCgRcCvVZZuwsgpAM0s5oWadB8lkz8WqQmwUDrpIKA8a6w/Fd8bDtGIVNaBDj864DIA2m6qlHiQOVRegJBciBtXDgdHcqjbocS12pOJEhvOKAf+B7Az9LHRMUV5G4ou12z1LQ1lyGsNLKcoI2I9XA=; X-YMail-OSG: XiQfPWYVM1kROw6GnUXl11_3.1vDRJNApMFONnUDesd6LPAVbKFPWwGQuquoQJRAoPJEIxViIgUpUH94JQzlSjFKXalXKhF.oUgl2XoOp0R7Sx0J09w4M0jTDBLiVitG1ojY0ehmZwqjUgVJEobJNoSuRA-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 13:37:13 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/468.1 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.8 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:37:13 -0800 (PST) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <671645.51491.qm@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Spanish underwear X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d94cc4f2-e76e-4d18-9e38-eca6b2700ab4 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F08251.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:39:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Mine are photographed in:=0A=0ATextiles Revealed=0AObject lessons in histor= ic textile and costume research=0AEdited by Mary M. Brooks=0A"How to Read H= istoric Textiles" by Katia Johansen.=0A"Figure 6a Hose of yellow Chinese si= lk damask with a white pattern of swimming ducks; this fabric is the same a= s the undersleeves of the pink coat (31.a.3). Reproduced by permission of t= he Royal Danish Collections, Rosenborg Castle.=0A...The waist has lost its = gathering cord so the original waist width is not known. The feet are sewn = onto the hose. The cut of the hose is similar to prehistoric Danish archaeo= logical finds (31.L1.d) (figs a.b)."=0AThere is a photograph of them in tot= o, and a pattern of their construction.=0AThese are listed as the "Polish c= ostume" of King Fredrik III, inventoried in his wardrobe 1651. There is no = mention in the inventory how he used or acquired them, as they are signific= antly different from the rest of his wardrobe. This collection has rarely b= een put on display and kept in the dark, so are in a remarkable state of pr= eservation. (paraphrased by me)=0A=0ASame, but different, methinks.=0A=0AKa= thy=0A =0AErmine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder w= ith a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert=0A(Fieldless) On a ro= se Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules.=0A=0AIt=92s never too late to= be who you might have been.=0A-George Eliot=0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc. -= Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/= 131=0A=0A=0AI don't know that those are the same pair as the ones in Textil= e =0AConservation--do you have a link or a reference for them?=0A=0AThanks!= =0AMelanie=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________________________________= ______=0ADo You Yahoo!?=0ATired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam pro= tection around =0Ahttp://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 17:20:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28MKZwA027235 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:20:35 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l28MJiNk012776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:20:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28MJFjx051892 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:19:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28MJCEE028183; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:19:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28MJ6pw028099 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:19:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.158] (pm5-158.eos.net [205.133.149.158]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l28MJ540004856 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:19:05 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:01:01 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703081900.l28J0ARr036158@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: boy vs. girl (was: saragrace's nederlandish gown) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7cb9f302-fa31-4f98-8cbb-f4afc1445409 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F08C00.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 18:42:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28NgFKi029757 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:42:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l28NfOH3001062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:42:08 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28Neorn062411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:40:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28Nejxe095356; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:40:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28JJLo5055797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:19:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id DD94884AD1; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F3884AB6 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:19:14 -0500 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000001c761b6$a8cb33e0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcdhtSdRQA3g9NYyTZ2T+yPn3kogZAAAUvsg In-Reply-To: <200703081900.l28J0ARr036158@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdffb2cf-67d1-4d01-937b-579d8af0aed8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F09F24.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:42:08 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Lovely! Thanks for the information! :-) And indeed do post the information to your website. Knowledge is always a good thing. Regards, Lorina (who at the moment has her head firmly entrenched in 1832 for her upcoming novel) Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Launching April 1: Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 18:43:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28NhKop029781 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:43:20 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l28NgRdQ025825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:43:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28NfhQS062553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:41:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28NfgQY096211; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:41:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l28M7TR3016909 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:07:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 08 Mar 2007 22:01:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAA8Y8EXUSnInk2dsb2JhbACPLwIBAQcODhw Received: from 88-107-52-16.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.107.52.16]:3769 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HPQgE-000NE4-OB for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:01:46 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070308215955.03673a10@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:01:44 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish underwear In-Reply-To: <671645.51491.qm@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <671645.51491.qm@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0049f39-6214-446f-8982-1f372bd1eeb3 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F09F63.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:43:13 -0500 (EST) Status: RO At 21:37 08/03/2007, you wrote: >Mine are photographed in: Textiles Revealed=20 >Object lessons in historic textile and costume=20 >research Edited by Mary M. Brooks "How to Read=20 >Historic Textiles" by Katia Johansen. "Figure 6a=20 >Hose of yellow Chinese silk damask with a white=20 >pattern of swimming ducks; this fabric is the=20 >same as the undersleeves of the pink coat=20 >(31.a.3). Reproduced by permission of the Royal=20 >Danish Collections, Rosenborg Castle. ...The=20 >waist has lost its gathering cord so the=20 >original waist width is not known. The feet are=20 >sewn onto the hose. The cut of the hose is=20 >similar to prehistoric Danish archaeological=20 >finds (31.L1.d) (figs a.b)." There is a=20 >photograph of them in toto, and a pattern of=20 >their construction. These are listed as the=20 >"Polish costume" of King Fredrik III,=20 >inventoried in his wardrobe 1651. There is no=20 >mention in the inventory how he used or acquired=20 >them, as they are significantly different from=20 >the rest of his wardrobe. This collection has=20 >rarely been put on display and kept in the dark,=20 >so are in a remarkable state of preservation.=20 >(paraphrased by me) Same, but different, methinks. Oh, I have a picture of these I think, in a book=20 on the costumes at Rosenborg Castle, which=20 include the Polish Costume among other things. How interesting. Suzi >Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules=20 >charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed,=20 >seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a=20 >rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules.=20 >It=92s never too late to be who you might have=20 >been. -George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. -=20 >Questioning is the beginning of knowledge.=20 >http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 I don't know=20 >that those are the same pair as the ones in=20 >Textile Conservation--do you have a link or a=20 >reference for them? Thanks! Melanie=20 >__________________________________________________=20 >Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 20:40:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l291e1Ac000888 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:40:01 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l291d5lI013157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:39:54 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l291cfKm077034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:38:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l291cemN081051; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:38:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l291caZd080945 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:38:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.15]) by bay0-omc3-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:38:31 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:38:31 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:38:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "TheRenaissanceTailor" , "h-costume" Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:38:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:38:29 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Mar 2007 01:38:31.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4E63E70:01C761EB] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Algacea Cloak Hood comparison Help! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 371b684f-f95d-4b3f-82e1-037eb80e9ec9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F0BAB9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:39:54 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I am making myself a middle class cloak. I was looking for something with an interesting hood, so I went to Algacea for some ideas. I am curious about several of them. I've made some mockups and am not exactly sure if what I have done is correct. If you compare f.53a Balandran, f.46a Turkish morning gown, and f.25a Cloak and cassock of cloth, each has a hood which according to the directions show one length of it cut on the fold. The only clue I have to where to start is that on f.25a, it says that parts of the hood will have to be pieced on the underneath where it won't be visible. (So I sewed it along that line and followed that logic with the others. For those of you who might have more experience with this, could you take a look at what I've done and give me some tips? http://saragrace.us/images/HoodHelp/HoodHelp.htm Thanks, Sg P.S. Here is one of them made up, but I am not sure I agree with everything he has done, and since there is no finished view.... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 8 20:40:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l291eXHs000911 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:40:33 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l291dZMl012840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:40:25 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l291W2eI075766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:34:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l291Shc1073783; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:28:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l291SdcX073739 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:28:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.49.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.49] helo=faucet.net) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HPTuQ-0000xm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:28:39 -0500 Message-ID: <45F0C657.2060208@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:28:39 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Spanish underwear References: <671645.51491.qm@web52101.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: edeafff8-4ba5-4c7c-8d51-be952562bd45 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F0BAD7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 08 Mar 2007 20:40:25 -0500 (EST) Status: RO The ones in Textile Conservation are of a yellow wool and are part of a costume made (and presumably worn) by the grandson of the landsknecht Andreas Wild von Wynigen. It was probably made late in the 16th c. but is designed to look like a mercenary's outfit from much earlier. The grandson was a tailor. Textile Conservation has a number of photos, including closups of the feet of the hose (which seem to have been reinforced with an extra layer of cloth at the heels), and a pattern diagram. The pattern is similar to the one in the Textiles and Clothing book: cut on the bias with a seam down the back and continuing for a short way under the heel, and a sole with triangular extensions on both sides that fit into slashes in the upper at about where the anklebone is on each side. I didn't know of the ones you describe. I'll have to look them up. Thanks for the ref! Melanie Kathy Page wrote: > Mine are photographed in: Textiles Revealed Object lessons in > historic textile and costume research Edited by Mary M. Brooks "How > to Read Historic Textiles" by Katia Johansen. "Figure 6a Hose of > yellow Chinese silk damask with a white pattern of swimming ducks; > this fabric is the same as the undersleeves of the pink coat > (31.a.3). Reproduced by permission of the Royal Danish Collections, > Rosenborg Castle. ...The waist has lost its gathering cord so the > original waist width is not known. The feet are sewn onto the hose. > The cut of the hose is similar to prehistoric Danish archaeological > finds (31.L1.d) (figs a.b)." There is a photograph of them in toto, > and a pattern of their construction. These are listed as the "Polish > costume" of King Fredrik III, inventoried in his wardrobe 1651. There > is no mention in the inventory how he used or acquired them, as they > are significantly different from the rest of his wardrobe. This > collection has rarely been put on display and kept in the dark, so > are in a remarkable state of preservation. (paraphrased by me) Same, > but different, methinks. Kathy > > Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with > a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a > rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late > to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. > - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. > http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 > > I don't know that those are the same pair as the ones in Textile > Conservation--do you have a link or a reference for them? Thanks! > Melanie > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 9 08:05:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29D5YhC020688 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:05:34 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l29D4hGa025761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:05:27 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29D46nB067839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 06:04:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29D42jO012847; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 06:04:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29D3wW8012816 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 06:03:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id a25so1075809nfc for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:03:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bwQMScKJKHUpow0DX5o0THB36QfhxgDKzcy7M7wVKVp9FcIwFP9vTMDfxWaAEpxbz2Z3I8lMtQYOW0ViuKc1d4SlecMNidFeULTcd0Mz+HWC9DZQp7bAEJaawBPrOoyTNbn+RJhlS5ni5+i+gcLt5mMwWfAemnC/AEMfhqslcao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iavn/+pXqPUFSBhPDwgQGsMSOLHxve+qCpzyWYzfEo6UQSGu7djGabUEQRZ00tzaiTDlJ0jAbbOOJowLEHJhohvsOqtRoM3NXcfOtqGgLLaHTJjlxOhCHzKL0VC0izbbt6+0ZxCF2bl6A1dbopasuAX3eS6m0e7f7BEZECkg1gk= Received: by 10.82.178.11 with SMTP id a11mr2692705buf.1173445437638; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 05:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.178.3 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 05:03:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72adc2660703090503o789adc29vefb9300134e968e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:03:57 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze arrived X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96e61a31-1310-4b3f-a1af-e7500c3ff448 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F15B6B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:05:27 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Pretty much the subject line says it all. My copy arrived yesterday. Funny story, and no cause for alarm... I immediately flipped through it and it is stunning. I sat down and opened it to the introduction and started to read the Italian... I had thought it was supposed to be in English but, ah well. I know enough to get the gist of things without a dictionary... so I slogged through the Preface. And as I sat there debating the meaning of a phrase my husband came in and asked what I was reading. With excitement I showed him my spiffy new book, and mentioned that my Italian was just a bit too rusty to really get the exact meaning without my dictionary... so I went to the shelf to fetch it while husband perused the book. He was smirking when I came back, and took the dictionary as I returned to the couch. He handed me the book - open to the first page, and said "I don't think you'll be needing this" as he took the dictionary. "Wha????" And then I saw that the text is indeed in English side by side with the Italian... just not in the Preface. D'oh. But I'm loving it. Mari _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 9 11:19:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29GJuxQ032738 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:19:57 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l29GJ3j4030336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:19:49 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29GHsUp001651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:17:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29GHjR4086523; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:17:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29GHeCB086359 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:17:42 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JEN00BHU98K8RM0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:17:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:17:04 -0500 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze arrived In-reply-to: <72adc2660703090503o789adc29vefb9300134e968e2@mail.gmail.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3740584-af3a-4910-9518-e0f517eda1fd X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F188F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:19:49 -0500 (EST) Status: RO Even the captions on the pictures are English and Italian. The only drawback on the book is no index. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Marie Stewart Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 8:04 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze arrived Pretty much the subject line says it all. My copy arrived yesterday. Funny story, and no cause for alarm... I immediately flipped through it and it is stunning. I sat down and opened it to the introduction and started to read the Italian... I had thought it was supposed to be in English but, ah well. I know enough to get the gist of things without a dictionary... so I slogged through the Preface. And as I sat there debating the meaning of a phrase my husband came in and asked what I was reading. With excitement I showed him my spiffy new book, and mentioned that my Italian was just a bit too rusty to really get the exact meaning without my dictionary... so I went to the shelf to fetch it while husband perused the book. He was smirking when I came back, and took the dictionary as I returned to the couch. He handed me the book - open to the first page, and said "I don't think you'll be needing this" as he took the dictionary. "Wha????" And then I saw that the text is indeed in English side by side with the Italian... just not in the Preface. D'oh. But I'm loving it. Mari _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 9 14:09:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29J9LnE006269 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:09:25 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l29J8UpY015447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:09:13 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29J7xOA035813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:07:59 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29J7k9h067558; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 12:07:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l29Eiaef093638 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:44:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070309144430m1200ipmlse>; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:44:31 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter75.comcast.net; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:44:30 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Netherlands Clothing early 17th century-preganacy etc....Was: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:44:30 +0000 Message-Id: <030920071444.8545.45F172CE0003D82A0000216122064246130809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73ac2fd7-ac7f-4c5d-9ee7-36477fba8eb6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F1B0AE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:09:14 -0500 (EST) Status: RO These are all *stunning*! Thank you for sharing..Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Saragrace Knauf" > Lorina, this is quite the norm for the first part of the 17th century in the > Netherlands - (which at the time was much larger than it is now.) > > The bodice is pretty tight, doubtful of much use for pregnancy. The outer > gown on the other hand is a possibility. I took this pattern from Juan > Algacea's pattern book - it is a mourning gown. I justified this because > the Netherlands were under Spanish control for about 80 years. This gown > can be made several different ways, one of which has a false front > underneath the "sack" of the back. That would lace up, and of course be > adjustable. I saw this gown for the first time at Mathew Gnagy's shop > (Desert Torch Tailoring) at local event (might have been Estrella Wars). > > http://www.deserttorch.com/DTT/DTT_2003%20historical%20female.htm > (the red gown in the middle of the page) > > http://www.deserttorch.com/DTT/DTT_2002%20historical%20female.htm > (green and cream in the second row, and cream in the 4th row) > > I am thinking about putting my slide show up in a Flash movie for folks to > see. I can also post my "talk" - it is pretty rough, since I had most of it > memorized, but it might give folks a little background. > > Thank you for your thoughts, > > Sg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 1:05 PM > Subject: [h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. > > > Oooo thanks for the image. Fascinating that. Almost makes one wonder > if this wasn't a maternity outfit. Very odd. Haven't ever seen another > example like that, or have I been missing the boat here? :-) Do you know? Is > this an unusual example, or quite the norm? > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, > original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Launching April 1: > Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 9 21:46:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2A2koZg020650 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:46:50 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2A2jrRZ000835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:46:42 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2A2jW1k001636 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:45:32 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2A2jR8x037535; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:45:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2A2jOGO037501 for ; Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:45:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.81.137.69]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JEO00B642AUZ821@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:45:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:45:41 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <45F21BD5.6000905@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] A traveling show *partly* about clothing history X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d0ecf1e-3c8f-4d5d-9db6-e6eb41c3fdfd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F21BE1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:46:42 -0500 (EST) Status: RO I hadn't realized before... but the First Ladies Exhibit from the the Smithsonian's Museum of American History is travelling the country while the museum is closed for renovation... which might make it more accessible to some of you who live further from DC than I do. There are 10 dresses travelling with the show (abbrieveated version of the full exhibit). I do know that Jackie Kennedy's dress isn't with it, as I've been looking at it every 1st Sunday at Air and Space, but other than that I'm not sure which are in it and which aren't. The webpage for the exhibit is at http://americanhistory.si.edu/exhibitions/exhibition.cfm?key=38&exkey=65 By the way... does anyone know what "peau d’ange" is exactly? So far I've gotten that it's a crepe or satin material also known as "angelskin". And one reference mentioned polyester (though is it all of the time?). Inquiring minds want to know... especially after looking at that Kennedy dress so much :-) -Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 10 14:23:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2AJNTWo016100 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:23:29 -0500 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2AJMbBM001934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:23:21 -0500 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2AJMCPX016295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:22:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2AJM54v071662; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:22:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sys18.mail.msu.edu (sys18.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.118]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2AJM2n2071532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:22:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from osermart@msu.edu) Received: from osermart by sys18.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.52 #1) id 1HQ78e-0007lm-L7 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:21:56 -0500 References: <200703101900.l2AJ05Sb055022@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200703101900.l2AJ05Sb055022@net.indra.com> From: "Martha Oser" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:21:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Peau d'Ange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98601648-6554-48c0-bf1c-14b8778ae9bd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F3057D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:23:21 -0500 (EST) Status: RO > By the way... does anyone know what "peau dÂ’ange" is exactly? So far > I've gotten that it's a crepe or satin material also known as > "angelskin". And one reference mentioned polyester (though is it all of > the time?). Inquiring minds want to know... especially after looking at > that Kennedy dress so much :-) > > > -Elisabeth If you do a Google search for "peau d'ange fabric" you'll get some hits. Apparently from the few I glanced at, it's a type of lace with a soft texture. Best, -Helena _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 13:28:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BHSGgY007835 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:28:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2BHROsX015681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:28:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BHQQdE052511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:26:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BHQLLs090373; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay4.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BFrDTu020226 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:53:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 12715410-1803867 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:52:45 +1100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [210.9.142.203]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 17629432-1803868 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:35:46 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200703101900.l2AJ05Sb055022@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: garden@netspeed.com.au Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:53:12 +1100 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=6, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.142.203 X-Originating-IP: 210.9.142.203 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64776f82-91c9-445b-b7bf-55a67fcd0cae X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F43BFD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my three sons to join us for re-enacting. Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts in a child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. I'd love to also get some doublets and breeches, but need historical accuracy. Machine sewing is okay. Many thanks in anticipation, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 14:14:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BIExmN009617 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2BIE5JH020145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BIDCFK057443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:13:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BID93K020600; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BID6hg020496 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (failure[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070311181301m15002et4ce>; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:13:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <45F21BD5.6000905@verizon.net> References: <45F21BD5.6000905@verizon.net> Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:12:43 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] peau d'ange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ee78bd9-a270-4015-adc5-20b6b75e298a X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F446ED.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, my god, of course, "peau d'ange" -- angelskin. One of the =20 decorator remnant stores has a "peau d'ane" which has been driving me =20= crazy because "ane" is "donkey", and, er, what kind of silk would =20 remind you of donkey skin? But it's probably a typo or a mis-hearing =20 of peau d'ange! Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Cozit / Liz wrote: > I hadn't realized before... but the First Ladies Exhibit from the =20 > the Smithsonian's Museum of American History is travelling the =20 > country while the museum is closed for renovation... which might =20 > make it more accessible to some of you who live further from DC =20 > than I do. There are 10 dresses travelling with the show =20 > (abbrieveated version of the full exhibit). I do know that Jackie =20 > Kennedy's dress isn't with it, as I've been looking at it every 1st =20= > Sunday at Air and Space, but other than that I'm not sure which are =20= > in it and which aren't. > > The webpage for the exhibit is at http://americanhistory.si.edu/=20 > exhibitions/exhibition.cfm?key=3D38&exkey=3D65 > > > By the way... does anyone know what "peau d=92ange" is exactly? So =20 > far I've gotten that it's a crepe or satin material also known as =20 > "angelskin". And one reference mentioned polyester (though is it =20 > all of the time?). Inquiring minds want to know... especially after =20= > looking at that Kennedy dress so much :-) > > > -Elisabeth > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 16:07:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BK7ZxE013119 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:07:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2BK6dwA016096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:07:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BK6629071957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:06:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BK61j7096470; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BK5bCW096197 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070311200529.SLYJ1124.fep31.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:05:29 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.38]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070311200529.CEXK16179.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:05:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c76418$a5322c70$266ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:05:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.164.110.38] at Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:05:22 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=19% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] elegant courtlife in 18th century Denmark X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 701d6c2d-e064-4bc4-86a4-9524ab4535f4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F4614F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Whoo, My newspaper invited the readers for a lecture in their house and later to a new opened exhibition at Castle Rosenborg. Its about the elegant courtlife in 18th century Denmark. They borrowed Queen Sophia Magdalenas weddingdress from Sweden. Originally this dress was danish, Princesse Sophia Magdalena was the daughter of our Frederik V and Queen Louise from England. She was engaged in the age of 4 to the swedish crownprince Gustav - later Gustav III. The marriage was 1766. It is Katia Johansen from Rosenborg who is giving the lecture about the extravangance life at Court. Amungst other things, female visitors are allowed to try on a copy of the large Pannier worn under this dress. I think this is one of the biggest in the world. You can count me in, and i wil be there with my camera! Other things in the exhibition are a a french hunting uniform belonging to Christian VII, a painted banyan and such a rare thing as The necktie of Struensee. Its april 10th. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 16:27:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BKRROw013692 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:27:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2BKQasD022521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:27:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BKQ5mh074888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:26:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BKQ2ak011177; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:26:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BKPwdE011051 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:26:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070311202552.WAJL4619.fep35.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:25:52 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.38]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070311202552.CFUT14819.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:25:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c7641b$7fdd69a0$266ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:26:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.164.110.38] at Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:25:46 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] golden age X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a267160c-20dd-4656-bae2-838909a5342e X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F465FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Saragrace, Sorry i am late, i looked at your pictures of the Golden Age, and enjoyed it very much. I surfed on the net and found this figurine wich is a little similar in style to your dress. This is a figurine you can buy at Rosenborg Castle, showing Kirsten Munk and Christian IV about 1620. http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/_Butik/C4-og-Kirsten-Munkwl.jpg Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 16:59:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BKx01Y014619 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:59:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2BKw0rr019756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:58:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BKveXC079689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:57:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BKvZgY033490; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:57:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BKvV0m033433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l2BKvRVt024019 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:57:30 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55479.72.13.239.193.1173647613.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: References: <200703101900.l2AJ05Sb055022@net.indra.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1830s Undies =?iso-8859-1?q?=97_faking_it?= X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: beee5722-2e49-4605-8797-708eaffc6db4 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F46D58.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Does anyone do 1830s? The corset is a fairly natural shape, what with being allowed to have two individual breasts and not a lot of waist pinching. And, of course, everything is best with the right undies. I'm looking at something like the Lowell Mill Girl dress or the Full High Gown. For quick & dirty, does the era work ok with a modern bra? Can it be worn with a modern bra, and then later with a corset of the era? Or would it have to be adjusted? Is the bodice forgiving enough? And, um, it's not for me, it's for a friend... yeah, that's it! -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 17:07:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BL6vGe014888 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:06:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2BL60dk023154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:06:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BL5eWX080978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:05:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BL5d7b039621; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BL5an4039578 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD5F1B090462; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:58:07 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:05:29 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c76420$ffb2fdc0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b5cf573-df58-49ed-971c-bf5e7db40e0a X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F46F39.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I don't know about the size 8, but Lands" End has just put out a linen shirt that has pin tucks and looks a lot like a Ren chemise. (it has a drawstring at the bottom, but you could cut it out or just not use it) The smallest Misses' size would probably work for size 12. Just go to their website: www.landsend.com -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:53 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my three sons to join us for re-enacting. Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts in a child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. I'd love to also get some doublets and breeches, but need historical accuracy. Machine sewing is okay. Many thanks in anticipation, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 18:12:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BMCIT4016917 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:12:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2BMBLrZ031581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:12:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BMAj5m089735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:10:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BMAgIm081172; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:10:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BMAcUc081050 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ca7.b5d0de4 (60439) for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:10:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FWM-M36 (fwm-m36.webmail.aol.com [64.12.193.238]) by ciaaol-d02.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD024-ec1745f47e51102; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:10:25 -0500 References: <45F21BD5.6000905@verizon.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:10:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <45F21BD5.6000905@verizon.net> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: chindora@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 24126 Received: from 66.177.236.38 by FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com (64.12.193.238) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:10:25 -0400 Message-Id: <8C93241348F2E16-168C-7BA9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.193.238 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Trying to build more accurate AG doll clothes... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23bbfe7b-cec3-4530-a1da-74afb22989b2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F47E8A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings :) My six year old daughter is so spoiled. We recently gave her an American Girl doll, Felicity. Felicity is 18" tall, and is the centerpiece of a collection of books, furniture, clothes, etc., all styled after the American Colonial era. The spoiled part became apparent when she looked at the cute little gown that the doll had on and asked me if I could please make her some *real* clothes. So, now I am on a quest to try to build some at least reasonably correctly styled 18th century clothing that would have been appropriate wear in the Colonies. If anyone could please point me in the direction of correct shapes for pattern pieces I would appreciate it. If we were talking Elizabethan or earlier, I could probably swing it, but I am just not familiar with this period at all. Is there an equivalent to Alcega out there for this period? I am well aware that there are patterns out there made by the big companies, as well as Pleasant Company, and I have some of both. I just want to try for a higher level of accuracy and I feel like I need to at least see how the pieces were properly shaped...not to mention I have no clue of how the things even really go together so far as layering goes. And of course, the little dear wants proper underpinnings for her dolly...(did children wear corsets in this era?) :) ~Kimberley ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 18:31:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BMVidO017538 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:31:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2BMUmpx014857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:31:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BMUHdW092234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:30:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BMUGtZ093376; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2BMUCJY093345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l2BMU7pV005527 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:30:10 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56649.72.13.239.193.1173653173.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <8C93241348F2E16-168C-7BA9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> References: <45F21BD5.6000905@verizon.net> <8C93241348F2E16-168C-7BA9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to build more accurate AG doll clothes... From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d5b4d2a-d176-4bce-a67d-810cbca170ad X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F48318.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Kimberly, The problem is that Felicity has a child's body and the clothing styles are adult styles. I guess most of the buyers out there want the adult styles because they aren't familiar whth what children would wear. Felicity's blue gown is made after a blue doll's gown at Colonial Williamsburg. They did do their research, but again there are modifications for what the public wants & for the body shape. There are stays for babies. It's a socio-economoc thing — the upper class wore stays in childhood to properly shape their torsos & posture. The lower classes (depending on how low) wore stays at an age where they needed them. I don't know what patterns are out there; I had only seen prototypes by someone making AG size clothes. Do you have websites for the patterns that are not accurate? Maybe people can advise what you need to do to change them from there. Otherwise you may need to look at children's style clothes or find an adult shaped doll to dress. -Carol > Greetings :) > > My six year old daughter is so spoiled. We recently gave her an American > Girl doll, Felicity. Felicity is 18" tall, and is the centerpiece of a > collection of books, furniture, clothes, etc., all styled after the > American Colonial era. The spoiled part became apparent when she looked > at the cute little gown that the doll had on and asked me if I could > please make her some *real* clothes. So, now I am on a quest to try to > build some at least reasonably correctly styled 18th century clothing > that would have been appropriate wear in the Colonies. If anyone could > please point me in the direction of correct shapes for pattern pieces I > would appreciate it. If we were talking Elizabethan or earlier, I could > probably swing it, but I am just not familiar with this period at all. Is > there an equivalent to Alcega out there for this period? > > I am well aware that there are patterns out there made by the big > companies, as well as Pleasant Company, and I have some of both. I just > want to try for a higher level of accuracy and I feel like I need to at > least see how the pieces were properly shaped...not to mention I have no > clue of how the things even really go together so far as layering goes. > > And of course, the little dear wants proper underpinnings for her > dolly...(did children wear corsets in this era?) > > :) > > ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 21:30:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C1Uepw022433 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:30:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2C1TiNO003315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:30:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C1TEvD019129 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:29:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C1TAoA095497; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C1T6RQ095462 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.81.137.69]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JER00HCWO48JQRD@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:28:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:29:51 -0500 From: Cozit / Liz In-reply-to: <200703111902.l2BJ23Yp053995@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <45F4AD0F.9030907@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200703111902.l2BJ23Yp053995@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Peau d'Ange X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87fec11a-e00d-428b-8caa-e77f5f5ec387 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F4AD08.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I haven't seen anything lacelike on the dress, unless it's hidden under the beading and metalic embroidery that is under the chiffon they put on at the last minute. That isn't very visible, as the light chiffon covers the sparkley bits to cut the light (apparently the reflections were causing havoc with the TV cameras in part because of the stong lighting they were using at the time). -Elisabeth Martha Oser wrote: > > > >>By the way... does anyone know what "peau dÂ'ange" is exactly? So far >>I've gotten that it's a crepe or satin material also known as >>"angelskin". And one reference mentioned polyester (though is it all of >>the time?). Inquiring minds want to know... especially after looking at >>that Kennedy dress so much :-) >> >> >>-Elisabeth >> >> > > >If you do a Google search for "peau d'ange fabric" you'll get some hits. >Apparently from the few I glanced at, it's a type of lace with a soft >texture. > >Best, > > -Helena > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 22:13:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C2DiO9023547 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:13:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2C2CkwT018897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:13:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C2CJtN079764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:12:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C2CHNI020480; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C2CDuY020433 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.50.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.50] helo=faucet.net) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HQa1E-0005h6-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:12:13 -0400 Message-ID: <45F4D30B.6080103@faucet.net> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:11:55 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question References: <200703101900.l2AJ05Sb055022@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=18% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19e32492-b2b3-4cd9-92d7-58faf79d4bfc X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F4B71E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: > I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my > three sons to join us for re-enacting. > > Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts in a > child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. Gohn Bros. (an Amish supplier) sells "colonial" shirts in a more 18th-c. style. They have them for boys--or they did when the catalog that I have came out. Here's the description: "Ropp Colonial Shirts for Boys: two button closure, long sleeve, regular collar, button cuff, wooden buttons. 6 oz. shirting, oxford muslin, 100% cotton. Natural color. S(6-8), M(10-12), L(14-16)" As of the 6-year-old catalog that I have, they were $22.98. Note that they're not white. You can get them with a stand-up collar ("Jefferson collar"--costs $1 extra) or without a collar, but it might take longer. They also have them in linen (still not white). They are extremely helpful on the phone, but they don't take credit cards (at least as of the last time I ordered from them). 1-800-595-0031 Good luck! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 11 23:15:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C3FSEj026168 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:15:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2C3EW9C009850 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:15:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C3E0Wx081112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:14:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C3Dvi3052525; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:13:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2C3DsCO052494 for ; Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:13:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200703120313.l2C3DsCO052494@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 6813 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2007 20:13:03 -0800 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 6484, pid: 6770, t: 4.9188s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:42/d:2665 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 20:12:58 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:11:50 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question In-Reply-To: <45F4D30B.6080103@faucet.net> References: <200703101900.l2AJ05Sb055022@net.indra.com> <45F4D30B.6080103@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp2.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,URG_BIZ autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aac54cff-3de5-4b24-b8d6-136dc681229d X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F4C598.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 09:11 PM 3/11/2007, you wrote: >garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: >>I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my >>three sons to join us for re-enacting. >>Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts >>in a child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. > >Gohn Bros. (an Amish supplier) sells "colonial" shirts in a more >18th-c. style. They have them for boys--or they did when the >catalog that I have came out. Here's the description: > >"Ropp Colonial Shirts for Boys: two button closure, long sleeve, >regular collar, button cuff, wooden buttons. 6 oz. shirting, oxford >muslin, 100% cotton. Natural color. S(6-8), M(10-12), L(14-16)" > >As of the 6-year-old catalog that I have, they were $22.98. Note >that they're not white. You can get them with a stand-up collar >("Jefferson collar"--costs $1 extra) or without a collar, but it >might take longer. They also have them in linen (still not white). > >They are extremely helpful on the phone, but they don't take credit >cards (at least as of the last time I ordered from them). >1-800-595-0031 > >Good luck! >Melanie Schuessler You might also try James Townsend (www.jastown.com); they also deal in 18th century style clothing. Here's the link-- http://jas-townsend.com/product_info.php?cPath=3&products_id=196&osCsid=1f43f64a205835752110bc0635fee1a2 Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 03:19:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7JiFs024552 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:19:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2C7Irrx020784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:19:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7INbP008705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:18:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7II6n063709; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:18:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay3.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7IEh7063663 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:18:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 12837493-1804220 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:18:46 +1100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [210.9.143.49]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 18151434-1803868 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:00:37 +1100 In-Reply-To: <001601c76420$ffb2fdc0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <001601c76420$ffb2fdc0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: garden@netspeed.com.au Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:18:10 +1100 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 10, in=41, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.143.49 X-Originating-IP: 210.9.143.49 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8a3572bc-9a6e-4f51-81e1-19c21a2142bd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F4FEDD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Can you provide me with a more direct link? I've been there and can't find anything. Many thanks, Aylwen On 12/03/2007, at 8:05 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I don't know about the size 8, but Lands" End has just put out a > linen shirt > that has pin tucks and looks a lot like a Ren chemise. (it has a > drawstring > at the bottom, but you could cut it out or just not use it) The > smallest > Misses' size would probably work for size 12. Just go to their > website: > www.landsend.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:53 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question > > > I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my > three sons to join us for re-enacting. > > Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts in > a child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. > > I'd love to also get some doublets and breeches, but need historical > accuracy. Machine sewing is okay. > > Many thanks in anticipation, > > Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 03:33:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7X57d027098 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:33:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2C7W8Ig002308 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:32:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7Vk8M009551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:31:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7VjPT069779; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7VeSc069749 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A01E17F80430; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:24:14 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Trying to build more accurate AG doll clothes... Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:31:37 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c76478$77f61ea0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <8C93241348F2E16-168C-7BA9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d129f954-b5ec-4c23-800e-4437cffdc6ca X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F501F8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The catalogue has underthings, if I recall correctly. The problem with accurate doll clothes, as I learned from sewing for my own daughter's American Girl doll, is that, as they are so much smaller, multiple = layers of "real" fabrics are too thick. Maybe make thin silk undies, that way, = they won't be too bulky. As for authenticity, look at Bjarne's costume pages = on this list, then go with thin versions of wool, cotton, etc. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of chindora@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:10 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Trying to build more accurate AG doll clothes... =20 Greetings :) =20 My six year old daughter is so spoiled. We recently gave her an = American Girl doll, Felicity. Felicity is 18" tall, and is the centerpiece of a collection of books, furniture, clothes, etc., all styled after the = American Colonial era. The spoiled part became apparent when she looked at the = cute little gown that the doll had on and asked me if I could please make her some *real* clothes. So, now I am on a quest to try to build some at = least reasonably correctly styled 18th century clothing that would have been appropriate wear in the Colonies. If anyone could please point me in the direction of correct shapes for pattern pieces I would appreciate it. If = we were talking Elizabethan or earlier, I could probably swing it, but I am just not familiar with this period at all. Is there an equivalent to = Alcega out there for this period? =20 I am well aware that there are patterns out there made by the big companies, as well as Pleasant Company, and I have some of both. I just = want to try for a higher level of accuracy and I feel like I need to at least = see how the pieces were properly shaped...not to mention I have no clue of = how the things even really go together so far as layering goes. =20 And of course, the little dear wants proper underpinnings for her dolly...(did children wear corsets in this era?) =20 :) =20 ~Kimberley =20 =20 =20 =20 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free = from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 03:39:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7dHSS027577 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:39:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2C7cLGR004884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:39:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7bwYL009948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:37:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7bv5Z073046; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C7brSJ073022 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1941794050E; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:30:28 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:37:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c76479$567fe070$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2bfeac2c-0b87-42f4-a95a-8fb86778b15f X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F5036D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO www.landsend.com item # 19257-4412 Linen pintuck tunic $44.50 Hope this helps. What socio-economic level are you going for? Nobility, middle class, or peasant? And where do you live? I'm in CA, near SF and have friends who may have stuff. I'm assuming you sew, correct? If not, I'd be interested. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:18 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Can you provide me with a more direct link? I've been there and can't find anything. Many thanks, Aylwen On 12/03/2007, at 8:05 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I don't know about the size 8, but Lands" End has just put out a > linen shirt > that has pin tucks and looks a lot like a Ren chemise. (it has a > drawstring > at the bottom, but you could cut it out or just not use it) The > smallest > Misses' size would probably work for size 12. Just go to their > website: > www.landsend.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:53 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question > > > I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my > three sons to join us for re-enacting. > > Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts in > a child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. > > I'd love to also get some doublets and breeches, but need historical > accuracy. Machine sewing is okay. > > Many thanks in anticipation, > > Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 05:12:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C9CKpJ009234 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:12:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2C9BOAU009984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:12:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C9AonR018366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 02:10:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C9AlHo021048; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:10:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay3.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2C9Ag5E021018 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 03:10:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 12842331-1804220 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:11:15 +1100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [61.69.3.211]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 18201417-1803868 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:53:05 +1100 In-Reply-To: <000c01c76479$567fe070$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <000c01c76479$567fe070$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F818265-7A06-465A-A4BE-12C25E97B4EB@netspeed.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: garden@netspeed.com.au Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:10:40 +1100 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-ShareWhite: 61.69.3.211 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=61.69.3.211 X-Originating-IP: 61.69.3.211 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aad3cfdb-5d49-42e2-86a5-4977611960bb X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F5193C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 05:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm in Australia and we portray English nobility of the 1580s. I do sew, but I'm sewing outfits for my husband's band and don't have any time left to sew for my children. I would dearly love to have someone else help me. We have a performance at Easter and then in late June. I just can't find any more time to sew! Luckily my 15yr old daughter has nearly finished her gown. Many thanks Aylwen On 12/03/2007, at 6:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > www.landsend.com > item # 19257-4412 > Linen pintuck tunic > $44.50 > Hope this helps. What socio-economic level are you going for? > Nobility, > middle class, or peasant? > And where do you live? I'm in CA, near SF and have friends who may > have > stuff. I'm assuming you sew, correct? If not, I'd be interested. > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:18 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question > > > Can you provide me with a more direct link? I've been there and can't > find anything. > > Many thanks, Aylwen > > On 12/03/2007, at 8:05 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: > >> I don't know about the size 8, but Lands" End has just put out a >> linen shirt >> that has pin tucks and looks a lot like a Ren chemise. (it has a >> drawstring >> at the bottom, but you could cut it out or just not use it) The >> smallest >> Misses' size would probably work for size 12. Just go to their >> website: >> www.landsend.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- >> bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:53 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question >> >> >> I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my >> three sons to join us for re-enacting. >> >> Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts in >> a child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. >> >> I'd love to also get some doublets and breeches, but need historical >> accuracy. Machine sewing is okay. >> >> Many thanks in anticipation, >> >> Aylwen >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 13:42:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CHgkJS018853 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:42:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CHfmfw001398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:42:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CHfAsB093836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:41:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CHeG5g020149; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:40:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CHdWLA019462 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AE8BE63031A; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:31:55 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:39:20 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01c764cd$5d968f90$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <2F818265-7A06-465A-A4BE-12C25E97B4EB@netspeed.com.au> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a87f4ebe-3068-4d59-842d-c80044ad53d0 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F590DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Some of the group I am with have boys. I will contact them and see if they have any outgrown stuff. Would you be interested? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:11 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question I'm in Australia and we portray English nobility of the 1580s. I do sew, but I'm sewing outfits for my husband's band and don't have any time left to sew for my children. I would dearly love to have someone else help me. We have a performance at Easter and then in late June. I just can't find any more time to sew! Luckily my 15yr old daughter has nearly finished her gown. Many thanks Aylwen On 12/03/2007, at 6:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > www.landsend.com > item # 19257-4412 > Linen pintuck tunic > $44.50 > Hope this helps. What socio-economic level are you going for? > Nobility, > middle class, or peasant? > And where do you live? I'm in CA, near SF and have friends who may > have > stuff. I'm assuming you sew, correct? If not, I'd be interested. > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:18 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question > > > Can you provide me with a more direct link? I've been there and can't > find anything. > > Many thanks, Aylwen > > On 12/03/2007, at 8:05 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: > >> I don't know about the size 8, but Lands" End has just put out a >> linen shirt >> that has pin tucks and looks a lot like a Ren chemise. (it has a >> drawstring >> at the bottom, but you could cut it out or just not use it) The >> smallest >> Misses' size would probably work for size 12. Just go to their >> website: >> www.landsend.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- >> bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:53 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question >> >> >> I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my >> three sons to join us for re-enacting. >> >> Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts in >> a child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. >> >> I'd love to also get some doublets and breeches, but need historical >> accuracy. Machine sewing is okay. >> >> Many thanks in anticipation, >> >> Aylwen >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 14:48:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CImdkj021050 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:48:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CIlg3p002940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:48:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CIl4oP006451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:47:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CIkv5E088866; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [206.18.177.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CIkrYV088689 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:46:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (c-24-61-47-3.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.61.47.3]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070312184647b1400fu6r0e>; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:46:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8C93241348F2E16-168C-7BA9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> References: <45F21BD5.6000905@verizon.net> <8C93241348F2E16-168C-7BA9@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> Message-Id: From: Lauren Walker Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to build more accurate AG doll clothes... 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Good luck! Lauren Lauren M. Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:10 PM, chindora@aol.com wrote: > > Greetings :) > > My six year old daughter is so spoiled. We recently gave her an > American Girl doll, Felicity. Felicity is 18" tall, and is the > centerpiece of a collection of books, furniture, clothes, etc., all > styled after the American Colonial era. The spoiled part became > apparent when she looked at the cute little gown that the doll had > on and asked me if I could please make her some *real* clothes. So, > now I am on a quest to try to build some at least reasonably > correctly styled 18th century clothing that would have been > appropriate wear in the Colonies. If anyone could please point me > in the direction of correct shapes for pattern pieces I would > appreciate it. If we were talking Elizabethan or earlier, I could > probably swing it, but I am just not familiar with this period at > all. Is there an equivalent to Alcega out there for this period? > > I am well aware that there are patterns out there made by the big > companies, as well as Pleasant Company, and I have some of both. I > just want to try for a higher level of accuracy and I feel like I > need to at least see how the pieces were properly shaped...not to > mention I have no clue of how the things even really go together so > far as layering goes. > > And of course, the little dear wants proper underpinnings for her > dolly...(did children wear corsets in this era?) > > :) > > ~Kimberley > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 15:16:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CJGIsO021972 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:16:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CJFRPE022712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:16:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CJF7e0010174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:15:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CJEwVH014258; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CJEnMF014075 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:14:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00706 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:06:54 -0600 Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:06:53 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval costume help for a friend X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c30113a7-5db9-4e13-b5ce-c10c54f7bb22 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F5A6CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A friend who is too far away for me to help hopes to borrow a child's medieval costume for her daughter for a class medieval feast. She can't sew a lick and is not eager to shell out the big bucks for a purchased costume for a few hours' wear. I'm trying to talk her through an easy tabard (thanks, Dawn, for your webpage) to go over a tunic top, but if there happens to be a generous sould on the list near Gainesville, Florida with loaner garb for an 11-year-old girl, please contact me offlist. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 15:23:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CJNb9O022205 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:23:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CJMeQu021560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:23:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CJMJsk011165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:22:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CJMEHk022142; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:22:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com (mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com [66.192.123.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CJM8iN022018 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:22:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from adelaide@genevahistoricalsociety.com) Received: from [192.168.0.7] [72.43.68.175] by mail.genevahistoricalsociety.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A54C59560128; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:09:00 -0500 Message-ID: <45F5B62F.8090002@genevahistoricalsociety.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:21:03 -0500 From: Anne User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1830s Undies =?windows-1252?Q?=97_faking_it?= References: <200703101900.l2AJ05Sb055022@net.indra.com> <55479.72.13.239.193.1173647613.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <55479.72.13.239.193.1173647613.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e560dca-52e0-4eb6-9f8f-5ddc62056388 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F5A880.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Carol, I do an 1840 living history program and have two dresses. One is the 1830s Full High Gown. It was made to fit over Past Patterns 1830-1840 Wedding Stay. The stay was made for someone else (but kind of fits), so I was making my own and discovered as I was finishing it this winter that I am pregnant and cannot wear either stay now. I have a maternity stay pattern, but have had no time to make it up, so today I did my program in regular underwear for the first time in 6 years. It felt weird!!! The shape looks off too. I miss the support even of a poorly fitted stay. Without the stay on the dress waist is tighter--partly pregnancy, partly being uncorseted--and the skirts heavier. I did not make the dress myself, so I cannot comment on the construction or adjustability of the pattern. I have heard from others that it is pretty easy to put together. However, my dress hooks together without any overlap in the back, so without a pelerine or a placket of some sort your chemise is sometimes on view! I believe the original dress was worn with a pelerine. My other undergarments are a mix of period correct and period close. As it is a children's program not directly focused on costume, complete accuracy is not of the essence, but I have been steadily improving the costume over the years. Up until this year I wore: regular underpants (I cannot go without these, even if they did!), a chemise, tights (I have contemplated stockings, but have not made any yet), a flannel petticoat, a quilted petticoat, a bustle (based on one in the Workwoman's Guide) and a corded petticoat. I dropped the quilted petticoat this year because without the stay my skirts were too heavy. As I do not have a pelerine or collar to wear with the dress I actually can't wear the Full High Gown with a bra because the straps show with the wide neckline and my narrow shoulders. I hope this is helpful. -- Anne Geneva, NY adelaideatgenevahistoricalsociety.com (be sure to change "at" to "@") _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 17:07:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CL7Q6q025430 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:07:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CL6Xb8030407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:07:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CL28jV001201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:05:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CKvoN5007429; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CKviOW007283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-18-51.desm.qwest.net [75.162.18.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CKvaDf003035 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:57:39 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200703120911.l2C9BP4b021312@net.indra.com> References: <200703120911.l2C9BP4b021312@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <6B907AD0-D236-48AA-8714-84CBFC83C0DD@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:57:35 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2825/Mon Mar 12 11:11:35 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] AG Felicity doll X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74579408-6ec0-4f4e-a9ce-84032ae37d35 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F5C0D9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For research, try Janet Arnold's "Patterns of Fashion 1 ... c. 1660-1860" as well as "Four Hundred Years of Fashion" from the V&A (1984) and "The Art of Dress: clothes and society 1500-1914" by Jane Ashelford (The National Trust, 1996). Those titles are common enough that you may find them in a public library collection and Ashelford has a chapter on children's clothes. There are a couple of nice books from the Williamsburg collections, too, but I don't have the info at hand right now -- maybe you'll get that from someone else on the list. This isn't my area of interest but my daughter did have a Felicity doll back in the early 90's.... Unfortunately, the AG website is temporarily unavailable so I wasn't able to see the current patterns that they have for sale. If you find you need the Felicity patterns but can't get them--contact me off list. :-) Suzanne > From: chindora@aol.com > Date: March 11, 2007 5:10:25 PM CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Trying to build more accurate AG doll clothes... > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > > Greetings :) > > My six year old daughter is so spoiled. We recently gave her an > American Girl doll, Felicity. Felicity is 18" tall, and is the > centerpiece of a collection of books, furniture, clothes, etc., all > styled after the American Colonial era. The spoiled part became > apparent when she looked at the cute little gown that the doll had > on and asked me if I could please make her some *real* clothes. So, > now I am on a quest to try to build some at least reasonably > correctly styled 18th century clothing that would have been > appropriate wear in the Colonies. If anyone could please point me > in the direction of correct shapes for pattern pieces I would > appreciate it. If we were talking Elizabethan or earlier, I could > probably swing it, but I am just not familiar with this period at > all. Is there an equivalent to Alcega out there for this period? > > I am well aware that there are patterns out there made by the big > companies, as well as Pleasant Company, and I have some of both. I > just want to try for a higher level of accuracy and I feel like I > need to at least see how the pieces were properly shaped...not to > mention I have no clue of how the things even really go together so > far as layering goes. > > And of course, the little dear wants proper underpinnings for her > dolly...(did children wear corsets in this era?) > > :) > > ~Kimberley _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 17:30:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLUebY026219 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:30:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CLTmrU023306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:30:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLTImx005595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:29:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLTG3P034007; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLTCL3033864 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:29:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.d4c.3cf7289 (41811) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:28:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:28:54 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Trying to build more accurate AG doll clothes... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc0e144d-e9e9-44c4-9d75-79d062f56662 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F5C64C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 3/12/2007 2:48:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lauren.walker@comcast.net writes: We recently gave her an > American Girl doll, Felicity. Felicity is 18" tall, and is the > centerpiece of a collection of books, furniture, clothes, etc., all > styled after the American Colonial era. The spoiled part became > apparent when she looked at the cute little gown that the doll had > on and asked me if I could please make her some *real* clothes. So, > now I am on a quest to try to build some at least reasonably > correctly styled 18th century clothing that would have been > appropriate wear in the Colonies. Sorry I missed the original post on this. First, Pleasant Company did consult with Colonial Williamsburg when making Felicity. I haven't examined the clothes in detail, but, I know from making other doll clothes that sometimes you have to sacrifice some accuracy when working in such a small scale. For example, it is extremely difficult to put a sleeve in, in the round--you almost have to put it in flat and then sew up the underarm and side seams. However, this would be easier in an 18th century dress if you put the sleeve in by hand, in the 18th century manner. (I'm sure the company had to sacrifice more accuracy in order for the clothes to be mass-produced. ) That said, Past Crafts Patterns is developing lines of patterns and kits for historic doll clothes. They call what they are doing "evoking period style for dolls." These products will be available wholesale only, so look for them at your local museum shop. I work at a mid-Atlantic Federal era house museum. Many years ago, I asked a representative from Pleasant Company (before Mattel bought them) why they didn't do a doll in our era. Her response was, oh, they were just about to do so--her name was Josefina and she was from Santa Fe. Well, not much help for me. But, the moral of this story is, I took a basic Simplicity pattern and used it as a "sloper" to make my own, more period appropriately shaped pieces. And yes, girls wore "training" stays. There used to be a whole set of underpinnings for each doll. Of course, you can do just as well, or better, and a LOT cheaper. Ann Wass


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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 17:58:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLwbgt027178 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:58:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CLvew8024099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:58:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLvHtc009688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:57:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLvFqb057291; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLvBls057235 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6018434B63 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:57:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval costume help for a friend Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:57:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2846f2cb-d2cf-4e51-a28d-e4d6b8702c14 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F5CCD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Could she possibly check with a local SCA group for loaner garb? If she is located in an area that is a Barony, they probably have some loaner garb. She live in the Kingdom of Trimaris Their site isn't user friendly but it works. home http://www.trimaris.org/ map http://www.trimaris.org/mappe/ De -----Original Message----- A friend who is too far away for me to help hopes to borrow a child's medieval costume for her daughter for a class medieval feast. She can't sew a lick and is not eager to shell out the big bucks for a purchased costume for a few hours' wear. I'm trying to talk her through an easy tabard (thanks, Dawn, for your webpage) to go over a tunic top, but if there happens to be a generous sould on the list near Gainesville, Florida with loaner garb for an 11-year-old girl, please contact me offlist. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 18:00:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CM0sBM027258 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:00:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CLxwn4025223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLxZJ7010012 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:59:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLxWV9059103; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:59:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CLxSHC059059 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F096035786 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:59:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:59:28 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <2F818265-7A06-465A-A4BE-12C25E97B4EB@netspeed.com.au> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd75be87-5cc9-49eb-97f1-c160d2721c41 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F5CD5E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The Society for Creative Anachronism has some groups in Australia. It is the Kingdom of Lochac http://www.sca.org.au/lochac/ Email the Seneschal with your situation and they may be able to find a sewer or loaner garb. It's worth a shot if other routes don't work. List of their groups within Lochac http://www.sca.org.au/lochac/groups/groups.php This last one will move things a bit quicker in finding a local group and their Seneschal. Good luck, De -----Original Message----- I'm in Australia and we portray English nobility of the 1580s. I do sew, but I'm sewing outfits for my husband's band and don't have any time left to sew for my children. I would dearly love to have someone else help me. We have a performance at Easter and then in late June. I just can't find any more time to sew! Luckily my 15yr old daughter has nearly finished her gown. Many thanks Aylwen On 12/03/2007, at 6:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > www.landsend.com > item # 19257-4412 > Linen pintuck tunic > $44.50 > Hope this helps. What socio-economic level are you going for? > Nobility, > middle class, or peasant? > And where do you live? I'm in CA, near SF and have friends who may > have > stuff. I'm assuming you sew, correct? If not, I'd be interested. > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:18 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question > > > Can you provide me with a more direct link? I've been there and can't > find anything. > > Many thanks, Aylwen > > On 12/03/2007, at 8:05 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: > >> I don't know about the size 8, but Lands" End has just put out a >> linen shirt >> that has pin tucks and looks a lot like a Ren chemise. (it has a >> drawstring >> at the bottom, but you could cut it out or just not use it) The >> smallest >> Misses' size would probably work for size 12. Just go to their >> website: >> www.landsend.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- >> bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:53 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question >> >> >> I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my >> three sons to join us for re-enacting. >> >> Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts in >> a child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. >> >> I'd love to also get some doublets and breeches, but need historical >> accuracy. Machine sewing is okay. >> >> Many thanks in anticipation, >> >> Aylwen >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 18:07:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CM7ICF027433 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:07:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CM6QS9013943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:07:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CM68Lp010750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:06:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CM66Kc064187; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CM5xQF064013 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C30C5D92 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:05:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45F5DCFB.4010805@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:06:35 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3459a321-35ba-426c-96d9-ada060f9257d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F5CEE2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I'm not sure I have enough chocolate ice cream to get through the rest of the day. :( Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 18:13:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CMDq6M027611 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:13:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2CMCuNp020254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:13:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CMCRI3011412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:12:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CMCQlH069156; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com (imo-m17.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2CMCLPu069000 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c96.a6a1e84 (48576) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:12:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:12:11 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3721f031-0e2b-4896-9262-c3165c8c566b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F5D068.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 20:29:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D0TYcF031655 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:29:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2D0ScbZ013650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:29:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D0RvRt027227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:27:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D0Rqks066798; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D0RlQS066722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2D0bXDG027471 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:37:34 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:36:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <001601c76420$ffb2fdc0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703121936.40826.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d2451397-9053-4da6-b600-fb09a7ae4091 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F5F036.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Monday 12 March 2007 3:18 am, garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: > Can you provide me with a more direct link? I've been there and can't > find anything. Sharon: Is this what you meant? (Apologies for the long URL): http://www.landsend.com/pp/LongSleevePintuckLinenEasyShirt-55537_167094_59.html?sid=0711104163367129080&CM_MERCH=SRCH > > Many thanks, Ay -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Peau d'ane--didn't an most unfortunate princess wear a donkeyskin? Ann in CT --- Lauren Walker wrote: > Oh, my god, of course, "peau d'ange" -- angelskin. > One of the > decorator remnant stores has a "peau d'ane" which > has been driving me > crazy because "ane" is "donkey", and, er, what kind > of silk would > remind you of donkey skin? But it's probably a typo > or a mis-hearing > of peau d'ange! > Lauren M. Walker ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! 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(Apologies for the long URL): http://www.landsend.com/pp/LongSleevePintuckLinenEasyShirt-55537_167094_5= 9.h tml?sid=3D0711104163367129080&CM_MERCH=3DSRCH > > Many thanks, Ay --=20 Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." -- Woody Allen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 21:18:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D1IBKE000603 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:18:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2D1HFZ5019654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:18:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D1Gwin033213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:16:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D1GviF000250; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:16:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D1Gs8x000194 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:16:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9CB1424031A; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:09:31 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] peau d'ange Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:16:56 -0700 Message-ID: <004101c7650d$4afccc10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20070313005649.259.qmail@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2f51dea-e84d-4c45-87e8-ce3255305bf9 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F5FB9B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Coat of a thousand different skins, or (other version) coat of every = kind of animal in the kingdom. For a cute retelling of the tale, try the = children's book, "Princess Furball" -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Ann Catelli Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] peau d'ange Peau d'ane--didn't an most unfortunate princess wear a donkeyskin? Ann in CT --- Lauren Walker wrote: > Oh, my god, of course, "peau d'ange" -- angelskin. > One of the =20 > decorator remnant stores has a "peau d'ane" which > has been driving me =20 > crazy because "ane" is "donkey", and, er, what kind > of silk would =20 > remind you of donkey skin? But it's probably a typo > or a mis-hearing =20 > of peau d'ange! > Lauren M. Walker =20 _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. =20 Let Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Monday 12 March 2007 9:14 pm, Sharon Collier wrote: > No, it is a tunic, with no collar, just the collar band. I didn't see anything like that under girls' or women's clothing. There a beaded linen tunic with a keyhole neckline, but it has no tucks and no collar band. -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." -- Woody Allen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 23:03:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D33Rgi003851 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:03:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2D32XDL004266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:03:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D31cMB047953 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D31ZFu068092; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:01:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D31WN6067986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:01:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: from CHESLAPTOP (cpe-76-185-38-68.tx.res.rr.com [76.185.38.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2D31POc083202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:01:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Message-ID: <112e01c7651b$e46ab7f0$0e0ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45F5DCFB.4010805@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:51:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: edb37cf2-6e95-47ee-ad7e-81cdb8f714ac X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F61449.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO cocobella chocolates .... down to my last few caramels from there, they are in your neck of the woods! :D They will make it all right! Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me > Sigh. > > I've just spent 3 hours on a sleeve for my silk-lined velvet early 18th > century coat (aka Pirate Coat). All carefully interfaced and sewn inside > out so it can be turned with all the seams inside.... > > and the cuffs are on wrong. AAAAGHH!!! > > I'm not sure I have enough chocolate ice cream to get through the rest of > the day. :( > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 23:03:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D33W2M003854 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:03:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2D32bUY001145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:03:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D31cwA047954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:01:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D31ama068103; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:01:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D31Wom067991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:01:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: from CHESLAPTOP (cpe-76-185-38-68.tx.res.rr.com [76.185.38.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2D31POe083202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:01:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Message-ID: <112f01c7651b$e4b97430$0e0ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000c01c76479$567fe070$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:55:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.6 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00,URG_BIZ autolearn=no version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44d5716d-a352-43ef-8166-b23981d20747 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F6144D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://tinyurl.com/27pk3v ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:37 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question > www.landsend.com > item # 19257-4412 > Linen pintuck tunic > $44.50 > Hope this helps. What socio-economic level are you going for? Nobility, > middle class, or peasant? > And where do you live? I'm in CA, near SF and have friends who may have > stuff. I'm assuming you sew, correct? If not, I'd be interested. > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 12:18 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question > > > Can you provide me with a more direct link? I've been there and can't > find anything. > > Many thanks, Aylwen > > On 12/03/2007, at 8:05 AM, Sharon Collier wrote: > >> I don't know about the size 8, but Lands" End has just put out a >> linen shirt >> that has pin tucks and looks a lot like a Ren chemise. (it has a >> drawstring >> at the bottom, but you could cut it out or just not use it) The >> smallest >> Misses' size would probably work for size 12. Just go to their >> website: >> www.landsend.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- >> bounces@indra.com] On >> Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au >> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:53 AM >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question >> >> >> I'm urgently trying to buy some Elizabethan clothing suitable for my >> three sons to join us for re-enacting. >> >> Are there any businesses left who sell good cotton or linen shirts in >> a child's size 8 (x1) and 12 (x2)? I need them asap. >> >> I'd love to also get some doublets and breeches, but need historical >> accuracy. Machine sewing is okay. >> >> Many thanks in anticipation, >> >> Aylwen >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 12 23:18:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D3IscN004290 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:18:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2D3Hwoj016295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:18:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D3Hdvc050287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:17:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D3HcAE079044; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:17:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D3HYVu079010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:17:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2D3RMDe001774 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:27:23 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:26:29 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <000c01c76479$567fe070$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <112f01c7651b$e4b97430$0e0ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <112f01c7651b$e4b97430$0e0ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703122226.29882.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adc70f9e-377f-4a0e-ab7f-2f66ae620f5b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F617E6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Monday 12 March 2007 10:55 pm, Chiara Francesca wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/27pk3v Thanks. -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." -- Woody Allen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 04:32:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D8WjCh011018 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:32:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2D8VmoY029009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:32:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D8VEMP073962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:31:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D8V3FU060499; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D8V0ff060451 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:31:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AF831E89031A; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:23:31 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:30:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c76549$ec4ee580$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <200703122054.31866.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d230b54-4766-4ce3-981e-8b432a9ee2bb X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F66174.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Go to the website. The item number is: 19257-4412. It is called Linen Pintuck Tunic -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] urgent - children's clothing question On Monday 12 March 2007 9:14 pm, Sharon Collier wrote: > No, it is a tunic, with no collar, just the collar band. I didn't see anything like that under girls' or women's clothing. There a beaded linen tunic with a keyhole neckline, but it has no tucks and no collar band. -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." -- Woody Allen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 05:00:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D90fUf017328 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:00:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2D8xnwa008952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:00:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D8xGXP075313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:59:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D8xFhn074692; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao04.charter.net (mtao04.charter.net [209.225.8.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2D8xCrk074626 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 02:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa09.charter.net ([10.20.200.161]) by mtao04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070313085907.JGZV24915.mtao04.charter.net@aa09.charter.net> for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:59:07 -0400 Received: from Maxwell ([24.205.23.236]) by aa09.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070313085905.RNLH26943.aa09.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 04:59:05 -0400 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:59:05 -0800 Message-ID: <04ed01c76556$3cc33f50$ec17cd18@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdlEX7TIc35unx2SZqJWRH8oZ3VxAARAvmA Importance: Normal X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: [tvfilmcostuming] FREE "TUDORS" ONLINE V.I.P. SCREENING X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5bbc7398-1718-4ca4-84a3-12f7787ef580 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F66806.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 05:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hey Folks... Mary Jo from Showtime (who's the producer on the Tudor fashion special) wanted me to forward this on. You get an early sneak peak and can make = up your own minds about the fashions in the series... -Cat- ps... it's rated TVMA +++++++++++++++++++++ OK, People -- I pulled some strings and got permission to give you all the secret VIP password so that you can watch the first 2 episodes of "The Tudors" = online immediately.=20 Meaning right this minute, Even before NEXT week's Yahoo streaming of = the episodes. And even before VIP's get notified. Plus, the quality of the = video should be better than regular streaming.=20 Unfortunately, online viewing is only available in the U.S., The link = won't work for anyone outside the country.=20 Please alert your pals on other Costume and re-enactor and historical boards. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Pretty nifty, I'll have to watch it later. Glad to see that the lead is the fellow from Gormenghast, right? Jonathan Rhys Meyers.... Yum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:59 AM Subject: [h-cost] FW: [tvfilmcostuming] FREE "TUDORS" ONLINE V.I.P.SCREENING Hey Folks... Mary Jo from Showtime (who's the producer on the Tudor fashion special) wanted me to forward this on. You get an early sneak peak and can make up your own minds about the fashions in the series... -Cat- ps... it's rated TVMA +++++++++++++++++++++ OK, People -- I pulled some strings and got permission to give you all the secret VIP password so that you can watch the first 2 episodes of "The Tudors" online immediately. Meaning right this minute, Even before NEXT week's Yahoo streaming of the episodes. And even before VIP's get notified. Plus, the quality of the video should be better than regular streaming. Unfortunately, online viewing is only available in the U.S., The link won't work for anyone outside the country. Please alert your pals on other Costume and re-enactor and historical boards. Showime was only going to give out the link to subscribers who have signed up for VIP e-mails, but I persuaded them that "MY" peeps deserve a shot, too! go to http://www.sho. com/vip Type in the password: king --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 11:37:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DFbMNA023161 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:37:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DFaVrV013960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:37:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DFZaxm011526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:35:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DFZX8B059162; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DDmbWu054760 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:48:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070313134831.EZQ16060.fep32.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:48:31 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.211]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070313134831.DREJ14241.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:48:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c76576$4f950120$d343a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45F5DCFB.4010805@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:48:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.211] at Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:48:28 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9470956-8eaa-4357-803f-13b719731613 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F6C4FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Dawn, Poor you, hopefully you have got a better feeling of it now. I also discovered, making the same, adding cuffs to a 1770 coat that because i cut the cuffs along the selvedge, it shines differently than the rest of the suit. But i am in a hurry, i wont make it over, until maybe later. I need this suit for next months ending weekend. Must remember not to do the same with the pocket flaps! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:06 AM Subject: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me > Sigh. > > I've just spent 3 hours on a sleeve for my silk-lined velvet early 18th > century coat (aka Pirate Coat). All carefully interfaced and sewn inside > out so it can be turned with all the seams inside.... > > and the cuffs are on wrong. AAAAGHH!!! > > I'm not sure I have enough chocolate ice cream to get through the rest of > the day. :( > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 11:39:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DFdEZO023206 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:39:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DFcHgR006334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:39:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DFb5xp011824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:37:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DFb20E060876; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DEcQWP002199 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:38:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.186.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.186]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HR88r-0005Wg-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:38:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <004101c7650d$4afccc10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <004101c7650d$4afccc10$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E980716-A02C-4CB3-8077-0BEC965EFCF6@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] peau d'ange Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:39:00 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 46068e92-7d7f-40ea-a1ee-69751774f1f5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F6C569.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Actually, donkey-skin is also correct. Charles Perrault's 1697 "Tales =20= of Past Times, with Morals," soon re-titled "Mother Goose Tales," =20 includes "Donkey-Skin." "All-Kinds-of-Fur" is the German version, =20 collected by the brothers Grimm a century or so later. Appropriately enough, "Donkey-Skin" (tr. Jack Zipes, in The =20 Longman Anthology of World Literature, vol E: The Nineteenth Century) =20= ends with this moral: "Finally, we must take into account that clear =20 water and brown bread are sufficient nourishment for all young women =20 provided that they have beautiful clothes...." BUT the peau-d'=E2ne is NOT the beautiful clothes Perrault's =20 referring to, of course! Just taught a folk-tale unit in my World Lit course last week! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer --this class was up near you, Ann, I think--at CCSU in New Britain? On Mar 12, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > Coat of a thousand different skins, or (other version) coat of =20 > every kind of > animal in the kingdom. For a cute retelling of the tale, try the =20 > children's > book, "Princess Furball" > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-=20 > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Ann Catelli > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:57 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] peau d'ange > > > Peau d'ane--didn't an most unfortunate princess wear a > donkeyskin? > > Ann in CT > > --- Lauren Walker wrote: > >> Oh, my god, of course, "peau d'ange" -- angelskin. >> One of the >> decorator remnant stores has a "peau d'ane" which >> has been driving me >> crazy because "ane" is "donkey", and, er, what kind >> of silk would >> remind you of donkey skin? But it's probably a typo >> or a mis-hearing >> of peau d'ange! >> Lauren M. Walker > > > > ______________________________________________________________________=20= > ______ > ________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 12:54:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DGsJd4025247 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:54:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DGrSLq031944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:54:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DGjS9R019665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:45:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DGjLhB029232; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2DGjDQJ029001 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:45:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 98979 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2007 16:45:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=h1Iebug1kG+DO5iS5AdwQGgVWt3gCegV78vP4Bp16KXhvXqgArPlIriRdt1QEQ5xmOQeojf7qa4z0NsZfCzRz8/vU4EQG+Ncm2On5KnRYeHlunncZrfocNA2qp0i6ieOlIqq6zq3uUFuZ6zuvtwKHd13y1dfcTj4ZHkT1MyhQ1o=; X-YMail-OSG: ikrw3qsVM1mvQQr9dCE18b_KCZhzokg6i6ahJ4A0s8hW1WLihrMfPAe5PxDMJWDPpr_6ZifIGu0aE0xPsfnmDt0TiXlH1FXKP1_A.EY9cQchEy2pwNDc Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:45:08 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 09:45:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <297157.98867.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] tippets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6cd2cec7-e593-4643-a242-a4fd1a253cd1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F6D708.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Travel to find your fit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 13:09:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DH9OQA025662 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:09:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DH8PXg018281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:09:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DH7kEJ022261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:07:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DH7gUB052197; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:07:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DH7Zur051997 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <297157.98867.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] tippets Thread-Index: AcdlkF8e1qtArT3/THKcsRCtaDRRJwAAXNhA References: <297157.98867.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 293a6858-0302-48e7-bc9a-990d00c80303 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F6DA89.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 >-----Original Message----- >From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com=20 >[mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Zuzana Kraemerova >Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:45 PM >To: h-costume >Subject: [h-cost] tippets > >Hi, > =20 > does someone know how the tippets used to be attached to the=20 >dress? By pins? Or were they sewn-on? > http://vieuxchamps.com/persona/enlarged/wg/wpic7.php > =20 > Thanks, > =20 > Zuzana > >=20 >--------------------------------- >Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in=20 >45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 13:28:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DHSU5A026290 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:28:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DHRYcZ016348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:28:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DHP9T1024409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:25:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DHP6Kw070238; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:25:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DHP0Ej070175 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04603 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:17:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:17:11 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11ca7b45-36cb-4896-8b6b-c7d22267d786 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F6DF06.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Zuzana asked: > > does someone know how the tippets used to be attached to the > >dress? By pins? Or were they sewn-on? > > http://vieuxchamps.com/persona/enlarged/wg/wpic7.php Astrida replies: > Current scholarship is that they aren't a separate accessory at all-- > they're the vestigial long pointy sleeve (morphed over time into a > thin streamer) as seen hanging from a short-sleeved overdress. That's > why they're so often white (and so often with little black specks)-- > that's the ermine lining of the sleeve. Zuzana, Astrida may have given you all the information you need, but if you want to see the "current scholarship," you'll find it in a paper I wrote a few years ago: "The Tippet: Accessory after the Fact?" in Medieval Clothing and Textiles 1, ed. Robin Netherton and Gale Owen-Crocker (Boydell, 2005). If you have trouble getting your hands on this, contact me privately. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 14:10:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DIA7Zn027570 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:10:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DI9AOA005865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:09:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DI8R0K028671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:08:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DI8Jfm012012; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:08:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DI81Ej011673 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:07:55 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] tippets Thread-Index: AcdllRk5qrk1gMcKSbe3kblC+jiGcgAAmD9A References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 686ab0d9-341f-40e5-ad9b-f1e313a8e37b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F6E8C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Zuzana, Astrida may have given you all the information you=20 >need, but if you want to see the "current scholarship," you'll=20 >find it in a paper I wrote a few years ago: "The Tippet:=20 >Accessory after the Fact?" in Medieval Clothing and Textiles=20 >1, ed. Robin Netherton and Gale Owen-Crocker (Boydell, 2005).=20 >If you have trouble getting your hands on this, contact me privately. > >--Robin I'm at work and don't have my sources to hand... If I recall correctly, Francoise Piponnier talks about this, too, as do others, but certainly Robin's paper is the most in-depth and focused out there, not to mention, it's in English! ; ) The article she references above has some great images of this in action, as well, from period sources-- a 1395 French manuscript showing Patient Griselda taking off her short-sleeved formal over-dress and you can see that the long strip sleeves are part of it. Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 14:23:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DINbkd027959 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:23:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DIMfTo023668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:23:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DILuxo029977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:21:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DILs2b024859; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:21:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DILkUL024667 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.ce9.b81a85a (40520) for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:21:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 652f3bc0-3693-4880-abc4-3f99808d7db0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F6EBF1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 15:55:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DJtQmC030447 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:55:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DJsZGl020489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:55:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DJrUS4056469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:53:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DJrQJv022334; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DJefq7009399 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070313194031.OUIV12897.fep33.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:40:31 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.31]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070313194031.DZLQ21108.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:40:31 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c765a7$815f78d0$1f14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45F5DCFB.4010805@reddawn.net><000701c76576$4f950120$d343a150@CPQ21932199711> <45F6DF2E.2060609@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:40:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.31] at Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:40:27 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=19% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5279bad4-13f8-488d-ae8f-f70bce5c225c X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F7017B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Dawn, I think today hated you! Bjarne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > >> Must remember not to do the same with the pocket flaps! >> > > Oh no! I forgot to cut out the pocket flaps! I hope I have enough fabric > left over. > > > > Dawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 15:55:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DJtprR030454 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:55:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DJt273010299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:55:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DJsJ05056610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:54:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DJsH6k023227; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:54:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2DJq2Au020875 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 13:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82420 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Mar 2007 19:51:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dFsGwJ4pxpqfJjvmFAPPwG+MVMVCLeibK/sCa/9OHl3CNdsaBfGCE6ecjqDW8lMD1I58GI634N6Nfsc3dWyhhjHHNG3CuhFWnTh5fveaqHDvCB8BKwxIal620nCZiCqFpls/bLtAQ2U5NGsSee/c8pTQ18lUspcQL9pc8jyzaMU=; X-YMail-OSG: id8defgVM1l9kYHOsiWftkLTumWXvpb.grZsPfMFMjU4izyuOW8m8QBTqqVzCXpOB72EGCo3hkFWv28tXMMfm13qutHgBKKIfvZ3j7PEgz79FoQsk.eJqUd7RysWh.o2PLtlCo.2_P50InGhu6JBUNy3xA-- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:51:57 PDT Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:51:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: [h-cost] peau d'ange To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4E980716-A02C-4CB3-8077-0BEC965EFCF6@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <551928.81490.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55c1f1e3-d73e-452f-acfb-d2fbd7de84f7 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F70197.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you want to read a new telling of that story, then you should read Robin McKinleys Deerskin, incredibly haunting and beautifully told. It does contain a scene with description of some courtclothes, that was rather nice, just to keep it on the costume content. Tania Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: Actually, donkey-skin is also correct. Charles Perrault's 1697 "Tales of Past Times, with Morals," soon re-titled "Mother Goose Tales," includes "Donkey-Skin." "All-Kinds-of-Fur" is the German version, collected by the brothers Grimm a century or so later. Appropriately enough, "Donkey-Skin" (tr. Jack Zipes, in The Longman Anthology of World Literature, vol E: The Nineteenth Century) ends with this moral: "Finally, we must take into account that clear water and brown bread are sufficient nourishment for all young women provided that they have beautiful clothes...." BUT the peau-d'âne is NOT the beautiful clothes Perrault's referring to, of course! Just taught a folk-tale unit in my World Lit course last week! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer --this class was up near you, Ann, I think--at CCSU in New Britain? On Mar 12, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > Coat of a thousand different skins, or (other version) coat of > every kind of > animal in the kingdom. For a cute retelling of the tale, try the > children's > book, "Princess Furball" > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Ann Catelli > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:57 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] peau d'ange > > > Peau d'ane--didn't an most unfortunate princess wear a > donkeyskin? > > Ann in CT > > --- Lauren Walker wrote: > >> Oh, my god, of course, "peau d'ange" -- angelskin. >> One of the >> decorator remnant stores has a "peau d'ane" which >> has been driving me >> crazy because "ane" is "donkey", and, er, what kind >> of silk would >> remind you of donkey skin? But it's probably a typo >> or a mis-hearing >> of peau d'ange! >> Lauren M. Walker > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______ > ________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! 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Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 19:00:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DN0jNu003360 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:00:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DMxmOh012261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:00:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DMxHpc070431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:59:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DMwwMN077552; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:59:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DMwrmq077503 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:58:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AAEE270E008A; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:51:26 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:58:53 -0700 Message-ID: <002c01c765c3$2c640910$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <000701c76576$4f950120$d343a150@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88cb4edf-5567-40aa-988a-74abcac6b3fc X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F72CE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Or, DO it with the pocket flaps. That way they'll match and you can tell everyone it was a design choice! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me=20 Dear Dawn, Poor you, hopefully you have got a better feeling of it now. I also discovered, making the same, adding cuffs to a 1770 coat that = because i cut the cuffs along the selvedge, it shines differently than the rest = of=20 the suit. But i am in a hurry, i wont make it over, until maybe later. I need this = suit for next months ending weekend. Must remember not to do the same with the pocket flaps! Bjarne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:06 AM Subject: [h-cost] Sleeves hate me > Sigh. > > I've just spent 3 hours on a sleeve for my silk-lined velvet early = 18th=20 > century coat (aka Pirate Coat). All carefully interfaced and sewn = inside=20 > out so it can be turned with all the seams inside.... > > and the cuffs are on wrong. AAAAGHH!!! > > I'm not sure I have enough chocolate ice cream to get through the rest = of=20 > the day. :( > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 19:03:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DN3SO0003436 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:03:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2DN2WBK030723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:03:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DN26P1070658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:02:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DN25NG079838; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:02:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2DN21ae079798 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ABAB26680452; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:54:35 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] peau d'ange Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c765c3$9d3df560$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <551928.81490.qm@web39613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2e86d9c-076e-4c4c-b7b7-9912aff376ea X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F72D88.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I agree. Great book. I recommend it often. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Tania Gruning Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:52 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] peau d'ange If you want to read a new telling of that story, then you should read = Robin McKinleys Deerskin, incredibly haunting and beautifully told. It does contain a scene with description of some courtclothes, that was rather = nice, just to keep it on the costume content. Tania Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: Actually, donkey-skin is also correct. Charles Perrault's 1697 "Tales =20 of Past Times, with Morals," soon re-titled "Mother Goose Tales," =20 includes "Donkey-Skin." "All-Kinds-of-Fur" is the German version, =20 collected by the brothers Grimm a century or so later. Appropriately enough, "Donkey-Skin" (tr. Jack Zipes, in The =20 Longman Anthology of World Literature, vol E: The Nineteenth Century) =20 ends with this moral: "Finally, we must take into account that clear =20 water and brown bread are sufficient nourishment for all young women =20 provided that they have beautiful clothes...." BUT the peau-d'=E2ne is NOT the beautiful clothes Perrault's =20 referring to, of course! Just taught a folk-tale unit in my World Lit course last week! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer --this class was up near you, Ann, I think--at CCSU in New Britain? On Mar 12, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > Coat of a thousand different skins, or (other version) coat of =20 > every kind of > animal in the kingdom. For a cute retelling of the tale, try the =20 > children's > book, "Princess Furball" > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-=20 > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Ann Catelli > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:57 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] peau d'ange > > > Peau d'ane--didn't an most unfortunate princess wear a > donkeyskin? > > Ann in CT > > --- Lauren Walker wrote: > >> Oh, my god, of course, "peau d'ange" -- angelskin. >> One of the >> decorator remnant stores has a "peau d'ane" which >> has been driving me >> crazy because "ane" is "donkey", and, er, what kind >> of silk would >> remind you of donkey skin? But it's probably a typo >> or a mis-hearing >> of peau d'ange! >> Lauren M. Walker > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ = > ______ > ________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! 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Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 13 23:51:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2E3p1DY010876 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:51:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (smtp-www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2E3o4di013561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:50:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2E3nNra036492; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:49:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2E3kxh4055783; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:46:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2E3ktwc055738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:46:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2E3unLL006609 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:56:49 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:55:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <297157.98867.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <297157.98867.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703132255.50516.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 80558bfd-dc1e-4637-be40-56a95afdaef7 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F770EC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mar 13, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Tania Gruning wrote: > If you want to read a new telling of that story, then you should > read Robin McKinleys Deerskin, incredibly haunting and beautifully > told. It does contain a scene with description of some > courtclothes, that was rather nice, just to keep it on the costume > content. It is all that, but a word of caution -- the parts that feature the daughter's abuse by her father can be pretty upsetting if you're sensitive to that kind of thing. Of course, the original tale wasn't all sweetness and light either :) The end is very hopeful and moving. ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 08:35:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ECZdpP020667 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:35:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2ECYmcO027299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:35:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ECY9BX087618; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:34:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ECY3Va019528; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:34:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ECXvxe019448 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:34:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.188.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.188] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HRSg0-0003tj-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:33:56 -0400 Message-ID: <45F807A6.3050808@faucet.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:33:10 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: [tvfilmcostuming] FREE "TUDORS" ONLINE V.I.P.SCREENING References: <04ed01c76556$3cc33f50$ec17cd18@Maxwell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fccd169a-c175-43d8-bd76-4fef86eb9a90 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F7EBE8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I watched both of the episodes yesterday--very entertaining! The costuming is a very...creative...interpretation of the period. Especially the women's headgear. Or lack of headgear. Or headgear with hair hanging out the front _and_ the back. And the fit of the gowns (generally falling off or at least gaping at the front). Not to mention the style of the gowns. I'm not sure what they were aiming for, but the gowns look to be a _very_ approximate stab at the 1570s and 80s. I also spotted some earlier Italian- and German-esque styles with a higher waistline that goes straight across. And Henry himself dresses in some other decade (not sure which one, and also not sure how they managed to make him look somewhat frumpy). And I should stop right here! If any Tudor re-enactors do get shown anywhere in this, they are really not going to fit in. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it. (John Rhys Davies...mmmmmmm!) But I don't look forward to the fallout at re-enacting events and my monthly garb workdays after people see this and start using it as research. Melanie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cat Devereaux" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:59 AM > Subject: [h-cost] FW: [tvfilmcostuming] FREE "TUDORS" ONLINE V.I.P.SCREENING > > > Hey Folks... > > Mary Jo from Showtime (who's the producer on the Tudor fashion special) > wanted me to forward this on. You get an early sneak peak and can make up > your own minds about the fashions in the series... > > -Cat- > > ps... it's rated TVMA > > +++++++++++++++++++++ > > OK, People -- > > I pulled some strings and got permission to give you all the secret VIP > password so that you can watch the first 2 episodes of "The Tudors" online > immediately. > > Meaning right this minute, Even before NEXT week's Yahoo streaming of the > episodes. And even before VIP's get notified. Plus, the quality of the video > should be better than regular streaming. > > Unfortunately, online viewing is only available in the U.S., The link won't > work for anyone outside the country. > > Please alert your pals on other Costume and re-enactor and historical > boards. Showime was only going to give out the link to subscribers who have > signed up for VIP e-mails, but I persuaded them that "MY" peeps deserve a > shot, too! > > go to > > http://www.sho. com/vip > > Type in the password: king > > --------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 08:40:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ECeqk8020767 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:40:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2ECdxAM006677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:40:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ECYXQa087716; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:34:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ECYXtA019903; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:34:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep05.xtra.co.nz (fep05.xtra.co.nz [210.54.141.241]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ECYSmf019789 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:34:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from thebruce@ihug.co.nz) Received: from michaela ([125.238.121.31]) by fep05.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20070314123422.ZHPW24836.fep05.xtra.co.nz@michaela> for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:34:22 +1300 Message-ID: <00f001c76635$18702110$0301010a@michaela> From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c760f4$02b23a70$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: Netherlands Clothing early 17th century-preganacy etc....Was:[h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:34:22 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ee3cfce-5cc8-44f1-bbae-cd61e4368926 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F7ED1F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Oooo thanks for the image. Fascinating that. Almost makes one wonder > if this wasn't a maternity outfit. Very odd. Haven't ever seen another > example like that, or have I been missing the boat here? :-) Do you know? Is > this an unusual example, or quite the norm? I was doing a bildindex search for something else and found these: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_1386056b.jpg Francken, Frans (2) (Art), Hexensabbath (Versuchung des heiligen Antonius), 1620/1640, Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 2215 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00891a11a.jpg Dyck, Anton van, Der Maler Frans Snyders und seine Frau, um 1620, Bild, Kassel, Staatliche Kunstsammlungen, Schloss Wilhelmshöhe, 125 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi01489g07a.jpg Köln, Bildnis einer Frau aus der Familie Klepping, um 1626/1650, Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, 1575 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00578d02a.jpg Mesdach, Salomon, Damenbildnis http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_1802033b.jpg Bildnis der Catharina Pelser, geborene Brassart / Bildnis einer Frau, Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 1626 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmc428310a.jpg Cuyp, Jacob Gerritsz. (Zuschreibung), Bildnis einer jungen Frau, vor 1644, Bild, Gotha, Schlossmuseum Schloss Friedenstein, Gemäldesammlung, SG 26 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_2576027b.jpg Nordniederlande, Bildnis einer 32jährigen Frau, 1644, Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 1286 http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi01483b10b.jpg Couwenbergh, Christiaen Gillisz. van, Bildnis einer Frau, 1660, Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, 2178 Some of these are more obviously shaped by the skirt than others though. They are a very regional atyle though I think. Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 10:00:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EE0BUf022827 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:00:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EDxC3C010696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:00:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EDuYO1095716; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:56:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EDuV0C074881; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:56:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EDu5Dh074459 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:56:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:49:11 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l2EDnBt29451 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:49:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 14 Mar 2007 08:49:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:49:10 -0500 References: <200702151902.l1FJ2A2D005051@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:48:56 -0500 Message-ID: <45F7B701.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200702151902.l1FJ2A2D005051@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Moda a Firenze has arrived! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8833019-67a4-4d17-8e17-706716266b87 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F7FFB0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yup, my copy was finally delivered yesterday, exactly as promised. It has been a couple of months since I was able to peruse a friend's copy and boy, it is even better than I remembered. Happy costuming sigh :). I ordered my copy from Michael Shamansky Books and it was $90, with free shipping anywhere in the USA through March 31. Ordering info here: Michael Shamansky, Bookseller Inc P.O. Box 3904 Kingston, New York 12402 Telephone: 1-800-527-6775 (845 331 8519) Fax: 845-331-0852 Email: mshamans@artbooks.com Url: www.artbooks.com So when is the men's version coming out, I'm definitely not going to wait to order that one! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 10:31:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EEVoiM023709 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:31:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EEUqT9017523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:31:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EESL1S099912; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EESJqr002380; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EESFRV002187 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070314142806.OSAL3442.fep30.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:06 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.29]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070314142806.ENPB5366.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:06 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c76645$03e58ae0$1d43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.29] at Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:28:03 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=23% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elegant courtlife in 18th century Denmark. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9504ddd-2447-4a9f-bc83-91297364ba50 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F8071C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If any of you should come to Denmark, there is a very nice exhibition about the high society courtlife in Denmark in 18th century. They borrowed Sofia Magdalenas weddingdress with a pannier 1,90 meter wide from Livrustkammaren in Stockholm. The curator of Rosenborg is giving a lecture in Politikens hus 10th of april at 1600 hours. The female visitors are given the chance to try on a copy of the pannier. Ill be there with my camera :-) http://www.rosenborgslot.dk/asp/menu/menuPages/special_2.asp?countryID=2 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 11:26:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EFQQwC025347 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:26:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EFPUgM027369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:26:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EFOP9O051511; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:24:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EFOLWi051920; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:24:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EFOGJS051762 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA542C6107 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:24:10 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45F821E4.1040901@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:25:08 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] "TUDORS" ONLINE (spoilers) References: <04ed01c76556$3cc33f50$ec17cd18@Maxwell> <45F807A6.3050808@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <45F807A6.3050808@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6362ef51-35ce-4b2d-a703-2410e604f02a X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F813EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > I watched both of the episodes yesterday--very entertaining! The > costuming is a very...creative...interpretation of the period. > Especially the women's headgear. Or lack of headgear. I have to say it was better than I expected, and certainly better than some other versions I've seen (the horrible one with Helena Bonham Carter comes to mind). I liked that it was more about Henry, and the politics of the time, and that Katherine has a speaking role. The costumes --except for the women's headpieces -- didn't distract too much. The women mostly have silly headgear and hair all over the place, but then half of them are naked anyway -- and the lurid sex scenes were a big turn off. If you're a costume purist you'll probably hate it, if you're interested in a good story in a period setting, you'll probably enjoy this. They call it "MA" for mature, but I'd translate that into a "R" for sex and violence. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 12:12:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EGCTej026598 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:12:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EGBctO026510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:12:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EGB70a047703; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:11:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EGB4OD000732; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:11:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EGAwNf000617 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:11:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.25563741; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:10:35 0000 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l2EGAYl28179.; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:10:35 GMT Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:10:34 +0000 Message-Id: <45F81E6C02000014000CD46A@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:10:20 +0000 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200703141424.l2EENoBQ098040@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200703141424.l2EENoBQ098040@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Netherlands Clothing early 17th century-pregnancy X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f2ad252-db60-4930-a70d-9a043cb60427 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F81EBA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think it was this Van Dyck portrait I was thinking of when I said I'd = seen the style before. I'm no expert, but isn't the bulge too low to be = caused by pregnancy? =20 > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00891a11a.jpg=20 >Dyck, Anton van, Der Maler Frans Snyders und seine Frau, um 1620, Bild, >Kassel, Staatliche Kunstsammlungen, Schloss Wilhelmsh=F6he, 125 Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 12:18:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EGI4BE026771 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:18:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EGHDxX026640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:17:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EGGi4S048614; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EGGgqs006563; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EGGc0p006401 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:16:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070314161632.EDPL12897.fep33.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:16:32 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.29]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070314161632.ERFD14241.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:16:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c76654$2f854e60$1d43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200703141424.l2EENoBQ098040@net.indra.com> <45F81E6C02000014000CD46A@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Netherlands Clothing early 17th century-pregnancy Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:16:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.29] at Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:16:30 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=19% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a821d32-156d-4120-9dc0-c7d44088bb3f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F82009.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO To me this style i have always thoaght that it must be the bumroll that goes all way round, hence the bulky stomacher. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Netherlands Clothing early 17th century-pregnancy I think it was this Van Dyck portrait I was thinking of when I said I'd seen the style before. I'm no expert, but isn't the bulge too low to be caused by pregnancy? > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00891a11a.jpg >Dyck, Anton van, Der Maler Frans Snyders und seine Frau, um 1620, Bild, >Kassel, Staatliche Kunstsammlungen, Schloss Wilhelmshöhe, 125 Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 13:17:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EHHMW9028697 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:17:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EHGQnF031428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:17:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EHFmAK059601; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EHFjTG067462; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:15:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2EHFe7h067264 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:15:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2007031413152613639 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:15:26 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2EHFHPk023004 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:15:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Thread question & fabric sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fad3e9e-1262-4040-9e1b-d963f428eeb4 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F82DEA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate 609-570-3584 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 15:06:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EJ5wV1031730 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:06:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EJ51pM001724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:05:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EJ4Hp5076345; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EJ4AAb072055; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2EJ46R2071940 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:04:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25068 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Mar 2007 19:04:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fzH0fv4anJ1Q1R0kJ7JtaBHbot2cOoebOod5GYk2VpHf6to8LRzXOKCrnsEb24hCNlxmXqWzAMjj/x2DTZejFY2VGDq+SQib7BlkK8Ip1oS4NzDcBLCiAklw3ZLtX6RnX+f/CyMSGoQAWvL9wY7KUh7SIsl88prGM+q28coje+c=; X-YMail-OSG: D07pHv8VM1kZiWyhaR177xvS7l79fU5C_C4bSxm2C1G6YfxoEgpalN9WVdmA80fqTo2c5UEXIEG3gbBlNiSaGQc3aQd6EJfJJ5WUl2RxXfOReEAVG9xtfgVFndOiP7WuGObEYPPHKH.ltfgCLN70cUm5Uw-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:04:00 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:04:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: [tvfilmcostuming] FREE "TUDORS" ONLINE V.I.P.SCREENING To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <45F807A6.3050808@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <283542.22277.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69b398a2-6974-4fb6-8d82-7e40dc2ca468 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F8475D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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But I don't look forward to the fallout at re-enacting events and my monthly garb workdays after people see this and start using it as research. Melanie --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 16:07:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EK7SFa000847 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:07:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EK6Q3X022307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:07:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EK4G1L084843; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EK49xH025561; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.225.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EK45pT025411 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:04:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brenna.sharp@comcast.net) Received: from horse (c-71-236-154-255.hsd1.or.comcast.net[71.236.154.255]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070314200359b1300rpf5de>; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:03:59 +0000 Message-ID: <006f01c7667c$ce68c8e0$6601a8c0@hsd1.or.comcast.net> From: "Brenna" To: "Historical Costume" References: <283542.22277.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: [tvfilmcostuming] FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:07:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6278f6e6-a2a9-40fe-92f3-d20e9b3bf911 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F855C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(yes, my blood pressure is returning to normal...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 16:19:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EKJffG001189 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:19:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EKIi83009100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:19:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EKIHgv086884; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:18:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EKIGrv039107; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:18:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EENiLD097862 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.05.02.01 201-2174-114-102-20060817) with ESMTP id <20070314142338.ZFFO12897.fep33.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:23:38 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.29]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070314142338.EONF172.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:23:38 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c76644$61c7ecd0$1d43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c760f4$02b23a70$6400a8c0@MAIN> <00f001c76635$18702110$0301010a@michaela> Subject: Re: Netherlands Clothing early 17th century-preganacyetc....Was:[h-cost] RE: Done! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It is not as regional fashion as you think, this style was also used in Scandinavia. On one of the first pictures you sended with the hexensabbat: http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_1386056b.jpg I noticed you could clearly se the right side of the bodice linning. It seems to me that both the outer layer and the boned foundation was treated as one, and sewn. You clearly see this at the tabs in the waist. Very interresting. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: Re: Netherlands Clothing early 17th century-preganacyetc....Was:[h-cost] RE: Done! A few pics from the Golden Age dress. >> Oooo thanks for the image. Fascinating that. Almost makes one wonder >> if this wasn't a maternity outfit. Very odd. Haven't ever seen another >> example like that, or have I been missing the boat here? :-) Do you know? > Is >> this an unusual example, or quite the norm? > > I was doing a bildindex search for something else and found these: > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_1386056b.jpg > > Francken, Frans (2) (Art), Hexensabbath (Versuchung des heiligen > Antonius), > 1620/1640, Bild, Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 2215 > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00891a11a.jpg > > Dyck, Anton van, Der Maler Frans Snyders und seine Frau, um 1620, Bild, > Kassel, Staatliche Kunstsammlungen, Schloss Wilhelmshöhe, 125 > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi01489g07a.jpg > > Köln, Bildnis einer Frau aus der Familie Klepping, um 1626/1650, Bild, > Köln, > Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, 1575 > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi00578d02a.jpg > > Mesdach, Salomon, Damenbildnis > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_1802033b.jpg > > Bildnis der Catharina Pelser, geborene Brassart / Bildnis einer Frau, > Bild, > Köln, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 1626 > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmc428310a.jpg > > Cuyp, Jacob Gerritsz. (Zuschreibung), Bildnis einer jungen Frau, vor 1644, > Bild, Gotha, Schlossmuseum Schloss Friedenstein, Gemäldesammlung, SG 26 > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/koeln_2576027b.jpg > > Nordniederlande, Bildnis einer 32jährigen Frau, 1644, Bild, Köln, > Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, WRM 1286 > > http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/mi01483b10b.jpg > > Couwenbergh, Christiaen Gillisz. van, Bildnis einer Frau, 1660, Bild, > Köln, > Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, 2178 > > > > Some of these are more obviously shaped by the skirt than others though. > They are a very regional atyle though I think. > > > > Michaela de Bruce > > http://glittersweet.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 16:20:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EKKAsN001203 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:20:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2EKJJIg029269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:20:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EKHjsS086774; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EKHfeB038571; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:17:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2EDj73x065603 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 07:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:36:30 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l2EDaUh67582 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:36:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 14 Mar 2007 08:36:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:36:30 -0500 References: <200701171226.l0HCQD4l021310@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:36:14 -0500 Message-ID: <45F7B404.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200701171226.l0HCQD4l021310@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Tudors on Showtime X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9fe61677-20c3-4d26-9aba-3a32857f8ee0 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F858C7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Showime was only going to give out the link to subscribers who have signed up for VIP e-mails, but I persuaded them that "MY" peeps deserve a shot, too! go to http://www.sho.com/vip Type in the password: king >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the woman who has been very patiently getting an earful about the costuming from some historic costumers. It is an, err, interesting take on Henry :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 17:15:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ELFmwP002617 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:15:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2ELEvLg026313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:15:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ELENYr094289; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ELEG5T089781; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ELEBSi089718 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A3E21063053A; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:06:42 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] FW: [tvfilmcostuming] FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:13:59 -0700 Message-ID: <00e201c7667d$aee5f640$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <006f01c7667c$ce68c8e0$6601a8c0@hsd1.or.comcast.net> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6430e49b-16ec-426d-ba6a-7c495020d285 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F865D1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In looking at the pictures of Anne Boleyn, I noticed that some show her = with reddish hair, and some with darker. I also noticed that what I at first = took to be hair, was actually a dark part of her headdress. Which makes = sense, because Elizabeth was a redhead. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Brenna Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: [tvfilmcostuming] FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING I wish they'd get the freakin' hair colors right! Both Katherine and = Henry were reddish-blonde! Not brunette...! That is soooo easy to deal with! And once again they have Katherine as gaunt - she was plump! Look at = the portraiture....! *(&^*%^&$&^*(!!!!! -Brenna (who knows she preaching to the choir but had to vent... sorry....) (yes, my blood pressure is returning to normal...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 14 22:29:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F2TAQ8009903 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:29:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2F2SEbf011409 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:29:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F2RgN3032225; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:27:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F2RbrI097905; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2F2RZdb097838 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:27:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABC9TMY4AGXGHS2 for (sender ); Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:26:34 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgvyS2qNR/eEFMl5LGSMJWTI= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MGUDQJ67; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:26:06 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:07:31 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread question & fabric sale Message-ID: <20070314.192515.3920.9.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-14,16-32 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 11:5:4127898848 X-MAIL-INFO: 301c1cacc59cace99c25ecec0d5578e5bc599168d5ddd968486159f8b55df8b54888094dc1ac0c688ca1496cccec1cfc5d1919818ca165ece908214cb92d7d01e15cf595f5a9d8d9a9d89838d89821e1bdf9b848393df9b9a5c13905b94d7c99b9bc28cd5c095caddc98a8d85c38 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7fb5d962-e12a-44b4-947a-7292968f2639 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F8AF3E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Elizabeth is suppose to have gotten her red hair from her Daddy. :) Which Katherine are you talking about? Katherine of Aragon was suppose to have been a brunette. I have no clue about Katherine Parr. -----Original Message----- In looking at the pictures of Anne Boleyn, I noticed that some show her with reddish hair, and some with darker. I also noticed that what I at first took to be hair, was actually a dark part of her headdress. Which makes sense, because Elizabeth was a redhead. -----Original Message----- I wish they'd get the freakin' hair colors right! Both Katherine and Henry were reddish-blonde! Not brunette...! That is soooo easy to deal with! And once again they have Katherine as gaunt - she was plump! Look at the portraiture....! *(&^*%^&$&^*(!!!!! -Brenna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 00:31:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4VUaH012277 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:31:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2F4UXTt011929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:31:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4S051048442; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:28:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4Rwix062449; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:27:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4RsV4062388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2F4bsE4003192 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:37:54 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:36:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703142336.50477.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79405a5b-b4c7-4ff1-ae66-21659c09764c X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F8CBEA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." -- Woody Allen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 00:33:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4X8Al012299 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:33:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2F4WG4b006944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:33:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4VqMF048960; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4VnbP064512; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:31:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52812.mail.yahoo.com (web52812.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2F4VkPQ064407 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29620 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2007 04:31:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hZNCDX1+6AsNIMznfQ+JbmFcLyJ1waNyRAPSXaCTdfcKuwcaVQi7l6d0Mpte1HDyyfol57ThZ6qPzHXi7wEghtOGV2R56yBtKCnH37Byi1kLiXNhPWQm/1eMejr7iZTJblV478fddFpRA8+6zno8D33O9xkpQCUA+DGN1sv6ac8=; X-YMail-OSG: D6Yl5VsVM1m1ASFtECerrjNeEO4PkgaG.nXk4rryIz3dJUhY9Swo5UTLrXgAvJ4RYz0gPTNAOcqD1xTbwf7OH0ytY8rk7CYUWYt_ouht_5JA4UXTjm7WZpNsR2z14cDutpJT.r39x0NINE_UjSkqvWTCRA-- Received: from [68.103.26.71] by web52812.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:31:40 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <110634.24483.qm@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9578ced4-f4e7-40d8-b136-f9777ee4ab9c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F8CC51.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Actually, Katherine of Aragon was relatively dark blonde/reddish when she was younger, but she got darker as she got older, although even in that famous minature (where she looks so dumpy), her hair still isn't what I'd think of as "Spanish" black. I found both portraits on the web here: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/aragon.html KP otsisto wrote: Elizabeth is suppose to have gotten her red hair from her Daddy. :) Which Katherine are you talking about? Katherine of Aragon was suppose to have been a brunette. I have no clue about Katherine Parr. -----Original Message----- In looking at the pictures of Anne Boleyn, I noticed that some show her with reddish hair, and some with darker. I also noticed that what I at first took to be hair, was actually a dark part of her headdress. Which makes sense, because Elizabeth was a redhead. -----Original Message----- I wish they'd get the freakin' hair colors right! Both Katherine and Henry were reddish-blonde! Not brunette...! That is soooo easy to deal with! And once again they have Katherine as gaunt - she was plump! Look at the portraiture....! *(&^*%^&$&^*(!!!!! -Brenna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 00:54:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4su9I012682 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:54:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2F4rxoV021661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:54:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4rbN4051684; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4rZYw075737; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F4rVXA075705 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m246.in-tch.com [216.166.191.246]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l2F4dd205587 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:39:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000d01c766bf$23936f40$f6bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070314.192515.3920.9.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread question & fabric sale Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:02:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79986090-2287-4886-b25f-343b20db844b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F8D167.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm guessing that it refers to threads twisted/plied to the left, or counter-clockwise. That would make them S-twist, I think. --Sue, who had to pretend-ply to figure it out ;o) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread question & fabric sale > Fibers can be spun in S twist or Z twist, but I forget which is which. > > Arlys > > On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:15:12 -0400 "Kate Pinner" > writes: > > A colleague of mine was cleaning out some of his grandfather's stuff > > (he > > was a furrier)and brought me 2 cones of New Bedford Thread Co. > > thread, > > #90 left twist. It is wonderful stuff! What does left twist mean? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 04:54:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F8sXjj020399 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:54:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psamathe.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2F8raH4029372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:54:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F7qEZr070506; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F7jKKV055510; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:45:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2F7jGOh055354 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:45:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7BB43270076; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:37:31 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:44:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c766d5$ce416d50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e25ae1dd-dbf5-43b4-8d7d-3750f9284d30 X-Miltered: at psamathe with ID 45F90990.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psamathe.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Catherine of Aragon had taffy colored hair. The mistake most people make = is seeing that very crude painting of her in a gable headdress. In that, = what looks like her hair is really part of the fabric of the hood. You can = see a tiny bit of her blonde hair at the peak of the gable. There is a much = better portrait of her, made when she was younger. In it, she is indeed lovely. = And, in order for a child to have red hair, she/he must get the = recessive gene from both parents. It is interesting to note in the drawing of Anne = by Holbein, there is a bit of color--her hair, which he colored a soft red. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING Elizabeth is suppose to have gotten her red hair from her Daddy. :) Which Katherine are you talking about? Katherine of Aragon was suppose = to have been a brunette. I have no clue about Katherine Parr. -----Original Message----- In looking at the pictures of Anne Boleyn, I noticed that some show her = with reddish hair, and some with darker. I also noticed that what I at first = took to be hair, was actually a dark part of her headdress. Which makes = sense, because Elizabeth was a redhead. -----Original Message----- I wish they'd get the freakin' hair colors right! Both Katherine and = Henry were reddish-blonde! Not brunette...! That is soooo easy to deal with! And once again they have Katherine as gaunt - she was plump! Look at = the portraiture....! *(&^*%^&$&^*(!!!!! -Brenna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 06:17:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FAHcli000808 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:17:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FAGdBT027513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:17:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FAG63D092673; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:16:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FAG3S2038218; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FAFxL6038184 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C4AE39123 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:15:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:16:06 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000801c766d5$ce416d50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4302d4b7-ccea-4b07-b3c0-dd6286b729b2 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F91D07.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO -----Original Message----- <<>> De: Actually no, I was not basing it on that portrait but on the belief that she was of Spain and the brunette to black being the prominent hair color. <<>> De: There has been debate over whether this portrait is truly Catherine of Aragon. The halo is one reason some believe that it is not CA. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 07:28:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FBS93O016865 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:28:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FBRDf5030600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:28:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FBQclK004272; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FBQYmV078760; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay1.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FBQStq078706 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 13095614-1804220 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:27:02 +1100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [210.9.140.140]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 20419208-1803868 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:08:13 +1100 In-Reply-To: <000801c766d5$ce416d50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <000801c766d5$ce416d50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: garden@netspeed.com.au Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:26:31 +1100 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-ShareWhite: 210.9.140.140 X-IP-stats: Catcher Notspam Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=7, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.140.140 X-Originating-IP: 210.9.140.140 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e4cdd253-b55e-4054-8f27-dc6f8a0213a8 X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F92D91.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear List I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical dance group if she can embroider the front of her bodice of her 1580s Elizabethan Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this happening, but don't want to say 'no' without checking first. Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal embroidery, not blackwork - which I would have recommended for sleeves and partlet first. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 09:03:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FD3Ipq020218 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:03:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FD2L8S010257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:03:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FD1Lld021693; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:01:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FD1Ihf035182; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FD1EBo035141 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.251.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.251] helo=faucet.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HRpZx-0005Mz-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:01:13 -0400 Message-ID: <45F95F7A.1030202@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:00:10 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns References: <000801c766d5$ce416d50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 46a10f64-5d01-4b86-93a3-5d2e6d4d16ff X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F943DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It depends on how it's done. Embroidery on bodices tended to take very specific shapes. Certainly she could embroider bands or guards and arrange them in one of several common patterns: the T shape (the vertical of which will continue down the front of the skirt and around the hem)-- http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth107.jpg diagonal guards (also continuing down the front of the skirt and around the hem)-- http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady12.jpg slightly diagonal guards with embroidery between them (guards continue down front of skirt and around hem)-- http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth102.jpg Or she could embroider a stomacher that matches the sleeves and possibly the forepart (this image is almost certainly actually an embroidered kirtle or bodice/doublet with petticoat under a black open gown with hanging sleeves, but the effect is similar to a stomacher with matching sleeves)-- http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg Here's one of the few examples from the 1580s of what probably IS a stomacher (and without matching sleeves or anything else), though it's not precisely embroidered -- http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg I have a color version of this, and it's actually little quatrefoils with pearls in the middle--you can see my reconstruction of the stomacher at http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/brown.html (scroll down to see a closeup) Melanie Schuessler garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: > Dear List > > I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical dance group if she > can embroider the front of her bodice of her 1580s Elizabethan Gown, > upper class. I don't have any images of this happening, but don't want > to say 'no' without checking first. > Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal embroidery, not > blackwork - which I would have recommended for sleeves and partlet first. > > Many thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 09:20:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FDJxQg020621 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:19:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FDJ8rd027333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:19:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FDIhOl025530; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FDIfGs046898; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FDIc8Z046864 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:18:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12498 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:10:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:10:56 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Con -- last chance for advance registration X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be097ad2-0c4b-4f83-9153-c7aca465f5ac X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F947CC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Costume-Con will be taking online/advance registration till Saturday, March 17 -- that is, two days from now. After that, you have to pay at the door. If you're coming for my lectures, don't forget that you have to sign up separately for that (which you can do only if you've registered in advance). There should be space in my room for walk-ins, but the advance sign-up will give us a guide to how to set up the room (with or without tables) and so will affect seating. If you're planning to pay at the door and still to come to my lectures, drop me a note and I'll see if the organizers can take that into account. For those who came in late: CC25 is March 30 - April 2 in St. Louis. I'm lecturing all day Saturday, March 31. CC25 info: http://www.cc25.net/start.htm Details on my lectures: http://www.cc25.net/netherton.htm Do we need to ask the organizers to schedule an h-cost meet-up, or can we figure that almost everyone from this list who's planning to come will land in my room on Saturday? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 10:06:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FE6est021681 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:06:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FE5mEN024333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:06:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FE59rw037232; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:05:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FE56iU082492; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:05:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.164]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FE52rn082358 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.27]) by bay0-omc2-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:04:57 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:04:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:04:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c766d5$ce416d50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:04:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:04:55 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2007 14:04:57.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA0D1BD0:01C7670A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e2cf451-7707-4858-a796-362c27e0bab5 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F952BC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Depending on how you define "front of bodice," you will find all sorts = of embroidery on fronts of gowns. =20 Here is just one example:=20 = http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=3Dcatalogue.product&p= roductID=3D109219 Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: garden@netspeed.com.au=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns Dear List I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical dance group if =20 she can embroider the front of her bodice of her 1580s Elizabethan =20 Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this happening, but =20 don't want to say 'no' without checking first. Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal embroidery, not =20 blackwork - which I would have recommended for sleeves and partlet =20 first. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 10:20:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from aegina.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FEK8Ck022009 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:20:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by aegina.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FEJBSd031609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:19:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FEIlRP040233; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:18:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FEIkF0093717; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FEIhq0093570 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.26]) by bay0-omc3-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:18:38 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:18:38 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:18:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000801c766d5$ce416d50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns - better link Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:18:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:18:37 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Mar 2007 14:18:38.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[D32D5360:01C7670C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b64a22d-d43c-4e78-9f37-fe507c255184 X-Miltered: at aegina with ID 45F955DF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (aegina.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry about that link. = http://tinyurl.com/2seejb ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Saragrace Knauf=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns Depending on how you define "front of bodice," you will find all sorts = of embroidery on fronts of gowns. =20 Here is just one example:=20 = http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=3Dcatalogue.product&p= roductID=3D109219>= Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: = garden@netspeed.com.au>=20 To: Historical = Costume>=20 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns Dear List I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical dance group if = she can embroider the front of her bodice of her 1580s Elizabethan =20 Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this happening, but =20 don't want to say 'no' without checking first. Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal embroidery, not = =20 blackwork - which I would have recommended for sleeves and partlet =20 first. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list = h-costume@mail.indra.com> = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 10:53:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FErCI5022701 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:53:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FEqLxJ012047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:53:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FEpgjw064125; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:51:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FEpd1m022730; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:51:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FEpaDw022619 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:51:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JEY002LF99Q0601@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:51:22 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b32279f9-9000-4903-aeb1-01613a49d4b9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F95DA5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I read somewhere that the halo was added after she died. Makes sense to me-- she would have to be a saint to put up with Henry. Remember, Katherine was much loved by her people (the English) and had endured a lot both before and after she married Henry. The break with the church made the common people very upset and angry. (Of course the nobility gained a lot but that is another tale.) Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:16 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING -----Original Message----- <<>> De: Actually no, I was not basing it on that portrait but on the belief that she was of Spain and the brunette to black being the prominent hair color. <<>> De: There has been debate over whether this portrait is truly Catherine of Aragon. The halo is one reason some believe that it is not CA. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 11:02:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FF24qB022899 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FF15C5022081 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:01:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FF0cmI066198; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:00:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FF0XcP031118; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:00:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FF045F030482 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9D3C62C0 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:59:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45F96DC3.1080905@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:01:07 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Con -- last chance for advance registration References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a895c00-8029-4821-a6fe-fd4b91f47b49 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 45F95FB1.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 11:12:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from endeis.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFCnCb023114 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:12:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by endeis.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FFBqRD020728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:12:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFBHkp068578; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:11:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFBE3t041971; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:11:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.110]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2FFBABB041864 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:11:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 54501 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2007 15:11:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Qg8DPZ/RwX7Qckl+DptBkZNjxmoadDc+BU/ZQ2GdYIq8cG+vrh+SEiPtndLvD2hDl3Shtw6jzSJpIarPanbLihq7v1F7GLGvP910PJMc/JZTICHRHgsU2DBYcJnF6mKgZKp4th4s4SKdwbwfr1A0yViKBWppTEky/XzReX7/Zeg= ; Message-ID: <20070315151105.54499.qmail@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6WtfZSAVM1ncuYVZLZs5J7wiuIC.hyX5iIYpkg5BRmeAgignuYN.T5XYcflUtKPxnQ-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:11:05 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/471 YahooMailWebService/0.6.132.8 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Last chance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 93192a9a-0bd6-4a35-ab37-6385dcbeecde X-Miltered: at endeis with ID 45F96239.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (endeis.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It seems that one of the publications I am wanting is determined to elude m= e. All North American options are pretty much exhausted at this point, I am= needing someone sympathetic local to one of the libraries that holds this = particular catalogue. It seems to be exclusively Italian, it lists no where= else. =0A=0AI am needing:=0A=0AL=92abito della Granduchessa. Vesti di cort= e e di madonne nel Palazzo Reale di Pisa, catalogo della mostra (Pisa, Muse= o Nazionale di Palazzo Reale, dal 28 giugno 2000) a cura di M. Burresi, Mus= eo Nazionale di Palazzo Reale, Pisa 2000 Moira Brunori and Mary Rizza in 20= 00, completed in 2004 with the consultancy of Thessy Schoenholzer Nichols.= =0A=0AIt has been located at the following libraries so far:=0A=0ABibliotec= a nazionale centrale -Firenze =0ABiblioteca comunale Labronica Francesco Do= menico Guerrazzi. Sezione dei Bottini dell'olio - Livorno=0ABiblioteca stat= ale - Lucca =0ABiblioteca di storia dell'arte Bruno Molajoli - Napoli=0ABib= lioteca universitaria - Pisa=0ABiblioteca di archeologia e storia dell'arte= - Roma =0ABiblioteca dell'Ufficio centrale per i beni ambientali, architet= tonici,archeologici, artistici e storici - Roma =0ABiblioteca della Soprint= . per i beni architettonici e il paesaggio, il patrimonio storico, artistic= o e demoetnoantropologico per le=0Aprovincie di SS e NU - Sassari=0ABibliot= eca della Soprintendenza per i beni artistici e storici del Piemonte -SBAS = - Torino=0A=0AAny assistance obtaining this catalogue, or willingness to co= py parts thereof, are deeply appreciated. This is my last kick at the cat b= efore I give up.=0A=0AThanks for any help you can provide. 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Mail has the best spam protection aro= und =0Ahttp://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 11:24:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFOMO6023432 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:24:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FFNQvb030473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:24:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFMnpN071850; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:22:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFMlR4053465; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFMinm053402 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:22:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.145] (pm5-145.eos.net [205.133.149.145]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2FFMgvD015542 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:22:43 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:04:36 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703151418.l2FEIouS093765@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38f631fd-cbb4-4117-9f1f-f3d942f052c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45F964EE.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO on 3/15/07 10:18 AM, melanie wrote: > I have a color version of this, and it's actually little quatrefoils > with pearls in the middle--you can see my reconstruction of the stomacher at > http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/brown.html > (scroll down to see a closeup) Oh, thanks for posting that! The prettiest thing I have seen today, and the photo of the back of the gown is just stunning! Yes, I like the back better... I'm odd. I just love the way all the lines of the gold lace meet. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 11:31:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFVYh2023656 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:31:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FFUb13003053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:31:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFU7Lp073686; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFU3Vd060445; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:30:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFTwpV060269 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:30:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from auntiegert@att.net) Received: from mycomputer (148.los-angeles-14rh16rt-15rh15rt.ca.dial-access.att.net[12.72.54.148]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <200703151529511130044rgie>; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:29:52 +0000 From: "Terri" To: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:29:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01c76716$c70d7d80$fd93fea9@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdnDRgaLpMK/cOMT/m0jbHKlO/V1QACS+gg In-Reply-To: <200703151418.l2FEIouS093765@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] looking for embroidery chart X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e50231a-5fc7-4471-9619-65ad818b95a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45F9669D.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Terri Casey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 11:39:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFd0Zj023839 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:39:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FFc3Im017140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:38:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFWMAs074348; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:32:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFWLQZ062863; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFWGHv062678 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:32:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDEAC62E6 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:32:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45F9754B.5000803@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:33:15 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING References: <200703142336.50477.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200703142336.50477.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c438acd7-71f0-4b6f-b6da-0b1d79c708ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45F9685B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 11:43:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFhXV0023968 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:43:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FFgbNG026937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFf148075778; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFf0gX070278; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FFeudw070166 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:40:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c04.1232689e (39330) for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:40:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f118b8e4-b9c7-4257-8eef-bb54735e877b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45F9696D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 13:06:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FH6XDh026930 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:06:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FH5a72012951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:06:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FH4p1t092497; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:04:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FH4muJ047785; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:04:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FH4VxJ047521 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:04:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i30so261673wra for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b4lF4gViX9d2T1WZVyNGv8MZ57FMS8UUWjawXE1PHQ0stdAwHWmVnzpa98nJv6ec6NMnVDZMaoDoL/9nGA21XlObUy18lWQaIs71BH5z/lQDvVLgG0QyC/KRlqUf4cXx/AhL6hv4jdUyiySqH5z1vTYh/pRp76AlBTBwku3xgPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mwwiSaiH7gtFbPVs4UDJbFtOHEZts+De0S4AjznJVJsRBQcJb9BXEgRsIYMwI8xdB3euSbvPEQZvHpTo1sqNPuZby/heW/1SCHFWmnMg3EiDNa0FJDNrzk7fBO1K1IdM7Mngh3VIckEabL8Y9isweJSY2DJLqHY2bxtfz5WIvKg= Received: by 10.114.137.2 with SMTP id k2mr319086wad.1173978284385; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.61.16 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0703151004x1d761e59q5176fc89edc51099@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:04:44 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for embroidery chart In-Reply-To: <000b01c76716$c70d7d80$fd93fea9@mycomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200703151418.l2FEIouS093765@net.indra.com> <000b01c76716$c70d7d80$fd93fea9@mycomputer> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 46d9b777-c43d-4bae-83fa-e58a0183167e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45F97CE0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wow. I don't know of the website, but if you are able to find it, will you please share with us? LynnD On 3/15/07, Terri wrote: > Several years ago, I downloaded the embroidery chart for the "Bess of > Hardwick" red work chemise embroidery. Recently I pulled the disk out and > found it was corrupted. I went back and searched all the internet sites and > could not find it again. I have been told that the particular site that had > it is no longer extant. Can anyone out there help me? > Thanks! > > Terri Casey > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 13:32:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FHWhFQ027524 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:32:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FHVjUk018845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:32:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FHVBjc098621; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FHV5dg074979; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:31:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FHUxgP074873 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:31:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.220.231]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JEY00H60GNHL2P7@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:30:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:30:51 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for embroidery chart To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <010201c76727$aeca56b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000b01c76716$c70d7d80$fd93fea9@mycomputer> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94cf93ed-e989-4ee0-ba84-c9ef30cc651c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45F98301.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Terri wrote: > Several years ago, I downloaded the embroidery chart for the "Bess of > Hardwick" red work chemise embroidery. Recently I pulled the disk out and > found it was corrupted. I went back and searched all the internet sites > and > could not find it again. I have been told that the particular site that > had > it is no longer extant. Can anyone out there help me? If you know the URL for the site, you may be able to recover is via the Wayback Machine. Link here, plug in your URL, and work through the list of archive dates. http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html Good luck, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 15:46:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FJk5lE003000 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:46:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2FJjETe015717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:45:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FJiJHJ030039; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:44:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2FJi9Gu018133; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2FJhXZr017426 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:43:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79539 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Mar 2007 19:43:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2+GwQ7Z9FcjZ6pDpNU9ZxJxpFhOHjYGr2sFOERl2+NkMkXx4swh6d3+vJ1zFBSrNLD5dyayOikUOvwglRRwYsxsiXfzNuH8UVmFT7zUnAfrvYW7Jj9PZ4lsg34/WxfMq2QqZgUhoJTGJfS8hHaXV75m3xRXOiKehvRZ60IuE5vk= ; Message-ID: <20070315194328.79537.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: NSg7tTsVM1n9mhRXHi009uEMt2XybnTBNuBP4BlGTwGpSlLg2aXe6g8rJybisT.gaw-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:43:28 PDT Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <200703132255.50516.cathy@thyrsus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ddafe66f-f83e-4d95-b4d0-51731803b37a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45F9A24A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Small Business. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 20:07:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G07kFX009401 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:07:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G06ofc009980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G069sk008659; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G063Hw069940; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G060V5069864 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.87]) by bay0-omc3-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:05:55 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:05:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.64.44 by BAY106-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:05:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.121.64.44] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:03:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 x-mimeole: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:03:16 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2007 00:05:55.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[DDF339C0:01C7675E] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk satin X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb487177-0de9-4753-aacb-c7c9e9d73cee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45F9DF9A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 21:33:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1Xe15011287 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:33:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G1WiM9021665 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:33:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1WG4a020806; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1WD8R026914; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1W920026871 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:32:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.163.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.163] helo=faucet.net) by pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HS1Ie-0001Mo-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <45FA0F7C.5030406@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:31:08 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f027c9e3-910e-4070-8b25-47893e29556b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45F9F3BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I just love the way all the lines of the gold lace meet. > > Gail Finke > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 21:46:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1khFD011562 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:46:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G1jptA004796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:46:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1jXoX022809; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1jVNv035109; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:45:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1jQMN035032 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7676C.BFBC3388" Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:45:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] tippets Thread-Index: AcdnOusf2w6R/dsMQbi0ONSdeTTd3AAL1x21 References: <20070315194328.79537.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31543ca2-914d-4303-a0d3-177ded778243 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45F9F6CF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7676C.BFBC3388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks like Revival Clothing has interpreted the turned-back, = white-fur-lined cuff with its pendant strip as a pinned-on accessory = rather than the more accurate short-sleeve dress cuff with dangling = tail. I know in this case you used that image to show what you meant, = rather than as evidence, but it's hard enough to figure out what's going = on when you look at a 14th century artist's interpretation of what a = person wore, let alone a modern interpretation of that interpretation. = There -are- examples of tippets in other colors, and some are sure drawn = or painted in a truly light and fluttery way that seems to imply = delicate fabrics, but more often than not they're white and if you can = look closely enough you can see the fur. As for purpose,I suspect there's about as much purpose to tippets as = there is to hip-hugger bell-bottom jeans-- to look fashionable. ; ) Astrida -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Thu 3/15/2007 3:43 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tippets =20 Thanks to everyone for the advice!=20 =20 When thinking about tippets, I came to another interesting - at leas = for me - question - did they have some particular purpose or were they = just decoration? I mean now the white, narrow ones that look as a = separate accessory (this doesn't mean that they are). Like those: = http://www.revivalclothing.com/images/tippet_hero.jpg (sorry I couldn't = find any extant picture). =20 Zuzana =20 =20 --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7676C.BFBC3388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7676C.BFBC3388-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 21:51:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1phUk011655 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:51:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G1ojUN004169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:51:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1oJB7023466; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:50:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1oIax037924; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:50:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G1oE19037878 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.163.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.163] helo=faucet.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HS1a8-00016v-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:50:13 -0400 Message-ID: <45FA13B6.2070301@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:49:10 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns - better link References: <000801c766d5$ce416d50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e828ab8e-59d4-47a5-8727-fcacd6e4058a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45F9F7F5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That looks like a stomacher under an open bodice. The turned-back edges of the bodice are lined with embroidery that matches the stomacher. It was more popular in the '90s, but there may be some examples from the '80s as well. This is probably an example (from around 1590), though it's a bit hard to tell what's happening with the decor, as it cuts off so high: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady3.jpg Here's another from 1592: http://www.marquise.de/en/1500/pics/1592_2.shtml Mostly you see it with the very elongated bodice and huge sleeves of the '90s and the squarer rather than cone-shaped skirt. Melanie Schuessler Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > Depending on how you define "front of bodice," you will find all sorts of embroidery on fronts of gowns. > Here is just one example: > http://www.bridgemanartondemand.com/index.cfm?event=catalogue.product&productID=109219> > > Sg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: garden@netspeed.com.au> To: Historical Costume> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 4:26 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns > > > Dear List > > I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical dance group if > she can embroider the front of her bodice of her 1580s Elizabethan > Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this happening, but > don't want to say 'no' without checking first. > Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal embroidery, not > blackwork - which I would have recommended for sleeves and partlet > first. > > Many thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com> > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 22:08:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G27x1v012049 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:07:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G278Xl025735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:07:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G26nne025353; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G26mal048093; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G26jLo048010 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:06:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14865 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:59:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:59:02 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6d27c2d-cd82-41e6-8fa3-edc4c2ed1735 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45F9FBCC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > There -are- examples of tippets in other colors, and some are sure > drawn or painted in a truly light and fluttery way that seems to imply > delicate fabrics, but more often than not they're white and if you can > look closely enough you can see the fur. I'm still collecting tippet images, and I don't think I've ever seen one that could be called "light and fluttery." Lots of drapey ones -- draping over arms or knees or hips -- but no fluttery. If you have any examples I'd be very keen on seeing them. The colored ones I know about are mostly from grisaille manuscripts, in which the figures are painted in whites/greys, looking rather like sculpture, with occasional accents in unrelated colors such as pink or pale green. Taken in isolation this might look like pink or green tippets (if the tippets happen to be the thing accented, as they often are) but the arbitrary color choice for the accents becomes apparent if you look at color use throughout the manuscript. I can think of a couple of black tippet images (such as one in the Wenceslas Bible) that are likely black fur, and maybe one reddish-brown that might also be fur. Also some hanging sleeve ornaments that are not band-and-streamer tippets per se but rather chains or bells. Other than that, I'm not recalling anything that might be considered a realistic example of a color tippet, and I'd be happy to see any examples you might have found. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 23:30:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G3U8YR013791 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:30:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G3T9tR006708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:29:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G3Skgm038798; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:28:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G3SgdE098770; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G3SdLu098677 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:28:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (187.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.187]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2007031603283211100922f8e>; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:28:33 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01c7677b$2b1d0930$bbb04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:28:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fw: [Sca-cooks] OOP / OT : Crochet Peeps X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c58afbab-79fe-49f5-a722-b23001b21fc9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FA0F05.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I thought some of you might find this of interest. Margaret Lacis is re-printing some of the earliest known crochet patterns *real soon* http://www.lacis.com . From the Lacis newsletter: We are also happy to announce the arrival of THE FIRST TWELVE CROCHET BOOKS OF MLLE. RIEGO DE LA BRANCHARDIERE [1847-1852]. snip The twelve booklets that make up this volume were published between 1847 and 1852 by one of the 19th century's most prolific practitioners of the needle arts. snip The patterns in this volume include a number of exquisite lace collars, wonderful handbags, anti-macassars, hats and bonnets, curtains, a truly remarkable "Cornucopia Stove Ornament," and even an opera cape. Crochet artists and needlework historians are sure to want to add this lovely volume to their libraries. Others may well find themselves beguiled into taking up a hook. Anyone with friends who crochet or who re-create the mid-19th century, feel free to pass this info along. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 15 23:53:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G3rG66014255 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:53:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G3qMCr028168 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:53:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G3q1hN043656; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G3pxdd014133; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G3puc5013981 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:51:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=VlsLuzkW5kic5O0f0ntSFoKJEjKFq4LHyCeUCPVm4cTGjxjYTck+G8ebIJUGKb99; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.235] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HS3Tq-0001mV-G0 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:51:50 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070315224949.03856170@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:53:34 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200703151418.l2FEIouS093765@net.indra.com> References: <200703151418.l2FEIouS093765@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53a88abe2d4bd05ba26e38883156968df7af1e198b8268ca57350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.235 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: H-Cost at CC25 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fc8441c-0128-4899-9399-4021f8054001 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FA1476.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The hotel has a large concourse along the outside of the meeting rooms where there will be tables set up specifically for "meet-ups". We'll also try to have a couple of message boards on easels where you can post a time to meet. Sandy, who wants to come to the lectures but will be too busy working the con.... :( At 09:18 AM 3/15/2007, you wrote: >For those who came in late: CC25 is March 30 - April 2 in St. Louis. I'm >lecturing all day Saturday, March 31. > >CC25 info: >http://www.cc25.net/start.htm > >Details on my lectures: >http://www.cc25.net/netherton.htm > >Do we need to ask the organizers to schedule an h-cost meet-up, or can we >figure that almost everyone from this list who's planning to come will >land in my room on Saturday? > >--Robin "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 00:15:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G4Fd6V014643 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:15:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G4Egip017919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:15:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G4EO3V047394; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G4EMkn028469; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:14:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2G4EJGx028397 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:14:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABC9WGL5AYTG9MA for (sender ); Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:13:15 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7i5ru/Ug7Mr5dTciJfE0BV22rSyiOqDGZw== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MGW57P94; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:12:17 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:10:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20070315.231044.1496.1.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-13,16-17,22-23,24-32767 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 5:2:3457326092 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINE V.I.P.SCREENING X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 520c22cc-1b4c-49bc-8357-00d3c4156be6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FA19B2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > And, in order for a child to have red hair, she/he must get the > recessive > gene from both parents. It is interesting to note in the drawing of > Anne by > Holbein, there is a bit of color--her hair, which he colored a soft > red. As red hair is a recessive, though, it won't necessarily show up in the parents' hair colors. My brother is a true redhead (or was, he's going silver/gray now), but both our parents are shades of brunette. To drag this back on topic -- I'm dial-up, so I haven't even tried these links. I've got to admit that what I've seen on this and other lists isn't encouraging me to talk some of my friends into sharing the high-speed and watching this show. Is there anything worthwhile besides the male eyecandy? Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 00:26:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G4Q1kW014968 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:26:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G4P43m017772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:25:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G4OfOh049181; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G4Oe1d034549; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:24:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G4OZLl034449 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:24:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182F6C6493 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:24:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <45FA2A57.9050905@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 23:25:43 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINE V.I.P.SCREENING References: <20070315.231044.1496.1.LLWatts@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20070315.231044.1496.1.LLWatts@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12a27eab-c512-4770-bd2e-b9cfadb2c784 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FA1C21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 03:24:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G7OODu011509 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:24:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G7NR18026254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:24:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G7N42V072386; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G7MkkR033118; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf2.socket.net (mf2a.socket.net [216.106.88.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G7MhV4033074 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 01:22:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf2.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 013D335CB6 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:22:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE:Hair color ; FREE "TUDORS" ONLINEV.I.P.SCREENING Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:22:52 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d9404ac-0cf4-4be1-9d52-4fbda4b53c71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FA45EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I had also heard that this portrait was thought to be Anne of Brittany. But since Michael Sittow was Henry 7th's court painter I find it makes things less likely that it is AB. De -----Original Message----- I read somewhere that the halo was added after she died. Makes sense to me-- she would have to be a saint to put up with Henry. Remember, Katherine was much loved by her people (the English) and had endured a lot both before and after she married Henry. The break with the church made the common people very upset and angry. (Of course the nobility gained a lot but that is another tale.) Monica -----Original Message----- <<>> De: There has been debate over whether this portrait is truly Catherine of Aragon. The halo is one reason some believe that it is not CA. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 04:55:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G8t3e4023193 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:55:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2G8s6Ye018969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:54:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G8rVcQ085227; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G8rQaL085947; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2G8rLq9085913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:53:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-222-83-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.222.83]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2G8rJdn001881 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:53:20 +1100 Message-ID: <000f01c767a8$8bf25670$53def5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000b01c76716$c70d7d80$fd93fea9@mycomputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] looking for embroidery chart Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:53:18 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1118002f-bde4-4904-b7f6-67f1ae550aae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FA5B2E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 04:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri" To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:29 AM Subject: [h-cost] looking for embroidery chart > Several years ago, I downloaded the embroidery chart for the "Bess of > Hardwick" red work chemise embroidery. Recently I pulled the disk out and > found it was corrupted. I went back and searched all the internet sites > and > could not find it again. I have been told that the particular site that > had > it is no longer extant. Can anyone out there help me? > Thanks! > > Terri Casey > Was it this one? http://katrowberd.elizabethangeek.com/articles/blackwork/besshardwick.mhtml Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 10:25:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GEPSc0024196 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:25:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GEOaTm004625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:25:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GENxVX038839; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:23:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GENsoN005400; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:23:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.89]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GENpLd005292 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:23:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.16]) by bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:23:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:22:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:22:37 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45FA0F7C.5030406@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:22:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:22:42 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2007 14:22:41.0866 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EBB72A0:01C767D6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b86cc5f7-b8d9-490b-8a52-79be1086e401 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FAA8A4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 12:07:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GG7geM026745 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:07:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GG6jXW030559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:07:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GG63K9056268; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GG5vYe002702; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.206]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GG5rBV002551 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.23]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:05:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:05:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:05:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <45FA0F7C.5030406@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction - image question.... Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:05:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:05:49 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2007 16:05:47.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[F59C63E0:01C767E4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3439b9bc-c64d-4bb8-b38f-00cea4865270 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FAC095.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I went back to find your original post Melanie, and was curious if there = wasn't a mistake in the URL. This image is posted twice, = http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg (See below). Was there another image which = inspired your reproduction? "Or she could embroider a stomacher that matches the sleeves and = possibly=20 the forepart (this image is almost certainly actually an embroidered=20 kirtle or bodice/doublet with petticoat under a black open gown with=20 hanging sleeves, but the effect is similar to a stomacher with matching=20 sleeves)-- http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg Here's one of the few examples from the 1580s of what probably IS a=20 stomacher (and without matching sleeves or anything else), though it's=20 not precisely embroidered -- http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg I have a color version of this, and it's actually little quatrefoils=20 with pearls in the middle--you can see my reconstruction of the = stomacher at http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/brown.html (scroll down to see a closeup)" Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 12:09:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GG9HQq026782 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:09:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GG8PlJ017494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:09:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GG7qu3056589; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GG7kJP004558; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:07:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GG7g8s004387 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:07:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.25]) by bay0-omc1-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:07:37 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:07:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:07:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk satin Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:07:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:07:40 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2007 16:07:37.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[37522310:01C767E5] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6fbecc99-a81d-482c-83a9-59fc7ef24a9c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FAC0F9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JAMES OGILVIE=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] silk satin Every so often, someone on this list is looking for satin made of silk = instead of polyester, so I thought I would pass this along: = http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com./Catalog_items.aspx?Query=3Dsilk+satin<= http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com./Catalog_items.aspx?Query=3Dsilk+satin>= =20 I haven't seen this fabric but I've ordered way more fabric than I = need from this company and found them reliable. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 12:46:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GGk7In027785 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:46:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GGjB31006361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:45:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GGg8MJ061806; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GGg4ZE038034; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:42:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GGfx1Y037913 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JF000KKJ91RO700@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:41:46 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac5fb282-6f14-40f5-a322-c244cb8afccd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FAC997.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Your stuff is totally GORGEOUS! Monica (Baroness Catriona MacDuff OL, OP, in the SCA) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:05 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction on 3/15/07 10:18 AM, melanie wrote: > I have a color version of this, and it's actually little quatrefoils > with pearls in the middle--you can see my reconstruction of the stomacher at > http://www.faucet.net/costume/period/brown.html > (scroll down to see a closeup) Oh, thanks for posting that! The prettiest thing I have seen today, and the photo of the back of the gown is just stunning! Yes, I like the back better... I'm odd. I just love the way all the lines of the gold lace meet. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 13:52:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GHqk0L029570 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:52:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GHplk6029786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:52:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GHp6DU072380; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GHoqIK004624; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.221]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GHoj1k004403 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.22]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:50:39 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:50:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:50:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" , "TheRenaissanceTailor" , "thefrazzledfrau" , "GermanRenCostume" Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:50:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:50:39 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2007 17:50:39.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C323B40:01C767F3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Circular cloak hems - what do you do? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ddee7f6e-a7db-4426-8356-019c812b1236 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FAD933.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry for the cross posts all. I'v just made a middle class full length = full circle cape. Of course over the shoulder the cape length is = shorter. Do most people hem the rest of the cape to match that length = or do they just do an even hem all 'round and allow it to be longer in = front and back? =20 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 17:29:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GLThYp003287 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:29:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GLSkO3027693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:29:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GLSCfW011894; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:28:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GLS52A004036; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:28:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GLS20S003856 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76811.F6B5C888" Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:25:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] tippets Thread-Index: Acdnb/L/AGngSF2GQ6S7AlElPXDFtQAob3AN References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cc771cc-9490-4b5f-8918-eaa83262fe40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FB0C0F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76811.F6B5C888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know, now that you mention it, I think most of the colored examples = are grisaille. But I'll go through my files this weekend and nail down = the image floating in my mind of color. I'll also look for the fluttery = ones. Astrida -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Robin Netherton Sent: Thu 3/15/2007 10:59 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] tippets =20 On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > There -are- examples of tippets in other colors, and some are sure > drawn or painted in a truly light and fluttery way that seems to imply > delicate fabrics, but more often than not they're white and if you can > look closely enough you can see the fur. I'm still collecting tippet images, and I don't think I've ever seen one that could be called "light and fluttery." Lots of drapey ones -- = draping over arms or knees or hips -- but no fluttery. If you have any examples I'd be very keen on seeing them.=20 The colored ones I know about are mostly from grisaille manuscripts, in which the figures are painted in whites/greys, looking rather like sculpture, with occasional accents in unrelated colors such as pink or pale green. Taken in isolation this might look like pink or green = tippets (if the tippets happen to be the thing accented, as they often are) but the arbitrary color choice for the accents becomes apparent if you look = at color use throughout the manuscript. I can think of a couple of black tippet images (such as one in the Wenceslas Bible) that are likely black fur, and maybe one reddish-brown that might also be fur. Also some = hanging sleeve ornaments that are not band-and-streamer tippets per se but = rather chains or bells. Other than that, I'm not recalling anything that might = be considered a realistic example of a color tippet, and I'd be happy to = see any examples you might have found. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76811.F6B5C888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76811.F6B5C888-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 19:05:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GN5IFi005614 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:05:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GN4LX6018485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:05:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GN3dJj024926; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GN3ZT3078020; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GN3VTb077940 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (failure[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070316230325014002rbiue>; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:03:26 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Circular cloak hems - what do you do? Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:03:12 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3527f01-3096-4145-8861-5a674a2a35df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FB2275.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I try to make capes the same distance from the floor all the way around. Time consuming, I know, because you have to measure it all around with the person wearing it. And the problem is that when wearing it later, it shifts around. Sylrog On Mar 16, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > Sorry for the cross posts all. I'v just made a middle class full > length full circle cape. Of course over the shoulder the cape length > is shorter. Do most people hem the rest of the cape to match that > length or do they just do an even hem all 'round and allow it to be > longer in front and back? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 19:28:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNSZjB006348 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:28:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GNRidX002140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:28:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNRHOZ028125; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNRGMK093462; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pecan.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNRBnD093416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendaslists@exemail.com.au) Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.88.249] helo=DF3TNM1S) by pecan.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HSLpC-0001h1-Rz for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:27:07 +1100 From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Circular cloak hems - what do you do? Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:26:56 +1100 Message-ID: <012701c76822$968cdfe0$0b02a8c0@DF3TNM1S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acdn89rdncdK2l6GR9aemtUujFDV4wALoahg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: decf57b2-0e0d-49c1-a855-c8e6dc820a01 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FB27F0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO All the extant ones I've seen have been semi-circular, but some of the ecclesiastical ones are tailored at the shoulder. Glenda. -----Original Message----- Sorry for the cross posts all. I'v just made a middle class full length full circle cape. Of course over the shoulder the cape length is shorter. Do most people hem the rest of the cape to match that length or do they just do an even hem all 'round and allow it to be longer in front and back? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 19:28:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNSjne006356 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:28:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GNRquQ023062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:28:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNRX6G028153; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:27:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNRWoN093615; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:27:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail01.unl.edu (webmail01.unl.edu [129.93.1.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNRT4J093582 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail01.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l2GNQJc03003 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:26:19 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Circular cloak hems - what do you do? Message-ID: <1174087579.45fb279bd0349@webmail01.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:26:19 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b390a18-9fe9-4a8a-a5a4-50728aa4db6d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FB27F8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 19:31:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNVaud006515 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:31:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GNUdDh024971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:31:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNUJO4028570; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:30:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNUJ8A095391; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:30:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.254]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2GNUG9I095321 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:30:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66012 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2007 23:30:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=w7l8ZNJ23ukCQzXUdViptGK6HHFB+uuA4YydPsPRa5C2d4Prl9Kn6+5EntWzy8iK84HFzoGOPgZNHDIninu8LozVU8YVpyu/egYdy+IZDFPFNWwzRHrc5UmPZQziFpZ3VKd/3YhzF/OBsV0fNNaZrwoQ1gOoogNRj1Tn/oDvIcI=; X-YMail-OSG: eBb5cpMVM1lDEOqM1KIAXybmED1W2FcNfyFFzq198Iyk4v6.cb6SX3C8kmBOyeJAcYiHYiWNwdqUmP5aTafkLa5Yu8Kok4kpVWWZhLjW1zcbmVgFZIZMrQdNKL9IabMd.MXEcVmeGVtm3Tn1f7U76jWNSw-- Received: from [76.173.44.164] by web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:30:08 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <899981.55521.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6441882c-75e5-4688-bf64-379a2f8a669e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FB289F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have this one in a book http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Fitzgerald,Elizabeth(CLincoln)02.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/2bgs3s I'm pretty sure the silver "braiding" on the bodice is embroidery. Is that the kind of thing your dancer wants to do? I wish I could find a clearer copy online. The red (red!) partlet is amazing: embroidered with gold and pearls. The cap matches it exactly, although this reproduction is too muddy to really tell. MaggiRos --- garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: > Dear List > > I have just been asked by a dancer in our historical > dance group if > she can embroider the front of her bodice of her > 1580s Elizabethan > Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this > happening, but > don't want to say 'no' without checking first. > Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do normal > embroidery, not > blackwork - which I would have recommended for > sleeves and partlet > first. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 19:41:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNf7j5006695 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:41:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2GNeB3e029346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:40:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNdqeE029870; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:39:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2GNdnkI001323; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:39:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.254]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2GNdjXw001235 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 68444 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Mar 2007 23:39:40 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MORXiHhuOVQp9Zu3fAvO27cerrNiId2pdEZJhHoVpHOANmBFkVHlX1j+3tINscBFh2GmFha0Y6sRmKhkMaMi4A9yOpOtnNY+SOa3mlt3a6L5ppkdjNb9jPSYawJl5JI0iB42PYD/QMJT3hBr0jBdatCtO0vwZcaZqDMyzVuRNGY=; X-YMail-OSG: cHM9QpsVM1mi1GecC48bZaIy9ZgxCZVkvRl8z14IUuGOF1yEPbr_2Mjet0BBzJm0aVOreyIdUr9XzDPY9Y2Sb4LKrFmvEkflQpq4TkSXenp79aP3.bH4otiHPpbq.DgP7N8Ec9Gm4iA7bUu5enw5FACWqw-- Received: from [76.173.44.164] by web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:39:40 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:39:40 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <899981.55521.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <457213.67866.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d482706-5e0d-4aeb-b9e3-1720c2c0fb3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FB2ADB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Stupid me. I got so involved looking for the picture I forgot the date you were looking for was the 80s. This is, of course, the 60s. Never mind. MaggiRos --- MaggiRos wrote: > I have this one in a book > http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Fitzgerald,Elizabeth(CLincoln)02.jpg > or > http://tinyurl.com/2bgs3s > > I'm pretty sure the silver "braiding" on the bodice > is > embroidery. Is that the kind of thing your dancer > wants to do? I wish I could find a clearer copy > online. The red (red!) partlet is amazing: > embroidered > with gold and pearls. The cap matches it exactly, > although this reproduction is too muddy to really > tell. > > MaggiRos > > > --- garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: > > > Dear List > > > > I have just been asked by a dancer in our > historical > > dance group if > > she can embroider the front of her bodice of her > > 1580s Elizabethan > > Gown, upper class. I don't have any images of this > > happening, but > > don't want to say 'no' without checking first. > > Are you in agreement with me? She wants to do > normal > > embroidery, not > > blackwork - which I would have recommended for > > sleeves and partlet > > first. > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 20:37:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H0awB6008050 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:37:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2H0a1xd011243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:36:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H0ZXl1036362; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:35:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H0ZRIZ033298; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2H0ZNlI033224 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28359 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2007 00:35:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=l7m5dQR63TjqlZC6NJMiB6d2kbScUmyw+KK1Q7CtvRvgUoq91RCoqOdMLf4ygZLDnEFtGIu7nviuFjHK64QSlcsNOEGFFbkByUN9fkPtcL4Q6RydMF6Ob7M8syfqu4WpT6NlaLRw1ZBbiAQMJOHZ3S6CV6e6AIvAn0d8sRQhHK4=; X-YMail-OSG: aaN1LjAVM1n4kFVKCDFPHm81brrVZmEThqxtxUPL2WQNdQ5cm1F8Wk0.jU0PO4ABvc9unPdCtNIxswXr1j9q1zXe49ZOuPcPboQhY9z_CtfE8WdLKSjTIQYdLzfU0ummrRQUzy3.SD98uidKhXKpy9dOhg-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:35:17 PDT Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:35:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <899981.55521.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <933950.28334.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8158f504-f849-4748-afc6-556fc978b763 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FB37F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wow, that is one of the muddiest copies I've ever seen of this lovely image. It's like someone deliberately made it into a watercolor image or something, so much of the detail is blurred. There is a nice color version in crisp detail available in _Dress in Ireland_ by Mairead Dunlevy. I would scan it in for you, but my scanner is barely alive, and now adds lines to my scanned images. Kimiko MaggiRos wrote: I wish I could find a clearer copy online. The red (red!) partlet is amazing: embroidered with gold and pearls. The cap matches it exactly, although this reproduction is too muddy to really tell. MaggiRos --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! 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Get started. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 16 21:28:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H1SfZH009724 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:28:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2H1RiJa008689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:28:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H1RGNg042785; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:27:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H1RDEe060055; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:27:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H1R9D8060024 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38439170D05 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:27:07 +1100 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-81.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-81.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.81]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:27:11 +1100 Message-ID: <1174094831.45fb43ef40ef3@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:27:11 +1100 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Circular cloak hems - what do you do? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79b22765-958c-4a6e-a6af-a3aec48ac3c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FB4410.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Cut the thing as an oval with the shorter axis being the front and back; use your shoulder width to determine how much extra length is required for the long axis. Hem evenly all around -- you'll need to gather or tuck, -C. > circle cape. Of course over the shoulder the cape length is shorter. Do most > people hem the rest of the cape to match that length or do they just do an ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 02:36:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H6aXfO030573 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:36:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2H6ZaG8023594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:36:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H6Z8XX071310; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:35:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H6Z4UB094719; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4f.socket.net [216.106.88.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2H6Z0ep094692 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A681137659 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:34:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabethan gowns Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 00:34:59 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <45F95F7A.1030202@faucet.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f76f676-69c8-45e3-879c-bc31c7730f99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FB8C38.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry, got in the tail end of this. various portraits. Might help http://www.tudor-portraits.com/LadyKytson.jpg I have seen at least two others of similar style but can't seem to locate them. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady39.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady36.jpg really lacework http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady2.jpg pinked 1590 http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady3.jpg De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 08:35:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCZkLw025006 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:35:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2HCYnlj003630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:35:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCYAAJ001167; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:34:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCY6uh047613; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCY0Bi047563 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.26.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.26] helo=faucet.net) by pop-satin.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HSY6h-0005b3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:34:00 -0400 Message-ID: <45FBFC09.4020106@faucet.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:32:41 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction - image question.... 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Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 08:43:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HChRrF025275 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:43:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2HCgVpm015832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:43:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCgEG7002203; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCgDbR052084; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCgAnn052064 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.26.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.26] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HSYEc-0006fG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: <45FBFDF3.6080500@faucet.net> Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:40:51 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan reproduction References: <45FA0F7C.5030406@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 67701a67-6eed-4452-858a-41dfc68b5fc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FBE237.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Now, on to the next one... :) Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 08:46:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCkuLO025379 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:46:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2HCk4T6008463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:46:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCjU5F002533; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCjTZX053761; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:45:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HCjQec053696 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.bfc.12b52af4 (30738) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:45:18 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:45:18 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume Society of America Living History Showcase X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf9f3139-568b-4660-b2f6-da8c9060fcab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FBE30C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Once again, the Costume Society of America encourages participation in the Living History Showcase at the annual symposium. This year's symposium, "Faires, Fiestas and Expositions: Costume as Cultural Exchange," will be at the Omni San Diego Hotel May 29-June 3, 2007. The showcase will be during the opening reception Wednesday evening, 5-6 p.m. This informal venue gives those of us who create apparel for living history interpretations a chance to show our handiwork to other costume enthusiasts. As an interpreter myself, I have lobbied for an opportunity for us to display our works. I urge any list members who are already CSA members to take advantage of this opportunity. If you aren't already a member, please consider joining us. You can go on-line to _www.costumesocietyamerica.com_ (http://www.costumesocietyamerica.com) . One great advantage of membership is the opportunity to participate in behind-the-scenes visits to collections--I have been able to see historic garments in several collections that I probably would never have been able to see otherwise. Members, though, have a wide range of interests--academia, museums, theatre design, and collecting, to name a few. Thanks for your consideration. Ann Wass ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 17:06:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HL5sPg007628 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:05:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2HL4tXZ013490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:05:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HL4MKT060633; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:04:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HL4HiH049271; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HL4CtQ049192 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070317210402.LKIX29208.fep33.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:04:02 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.37]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070317210402.GZIV5366.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:04:02 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c768d7$d8dbf6a0$256ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <012701c76822$968cdfe0$0b02a8c0@DF3TNM1S> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Circular cloak hems - what do you do? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, One thing you can do is let it hang on your dress form for about a month or so, and let it drop. Then you can hem it! Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 12:26 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Circular cloak hems - what do you do? > All the extant ones I've seen have been semi-circular, but some of the > ecclesiastical ones are tailored at the shoulder. > > Glenda. > > -----Original Message----- > > Sorry for the cross posts all. I'v just made a middle class full length > full circle cape. Of course over the shoulder the cape length is shorter. > Do most people hem the rest of the cape to match that length or do they > just > do an even hem all 'round and allow it to be longer in front and back? > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 18:36:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HMaj4O010289 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:36:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2HMZmC5009987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:36:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HMZI73073808; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HMZEta002928; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:35:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.159]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2HMYgGr002603 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 22533 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Mar 2007 22:34:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=W/1XJlmoAOhEOdazd6jXTzr8+vcVU3ASZonpb0K1lzD9gwNHSIrylwebNbjLkgwz3Z7HPWunwSvmiENBlZF/ortN7t37ERfiviWnFWlOxFWPeYdFqm4FGaYE9ssf+/mPcsSXlKeot7PEfTReIp5+nqdNKWlzXReN9oIrCCVfzXA=; X-YMail-OSG: GpIPnNEVM1mrIgPKZlxFo9B91UFTavoy_qSPij028fLBc0EgSko1HwH.Eh9vM3eJXLXNK6l5Fid1KiX4.a30rwyQaGpR0rpvyRaST_xWcl_cL6b6vBX9EPIqFuHkgMz8ek0jFnY6k7qhqG8- Received: from [88.103.3.94] by web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:34:37 PDT Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <295560.21832.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 746ebb79-923b-4785-8329-f5b2b3c89a03 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FC6D44.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I promise that this is the last question I ask this week: When reading "Medieval clothing, armour, and weapons" I came across a mention that around the half of the 14th century in Bohemia, there were detachable sleeves. For ex. they were used under the elbow-length sleeves with a tippet. This makes me a little confused as I've always thought the tight sleeves that were visible under the shorter peaked sleeves of the over-robe were the part of the under-robe beneath it. Now they claim there were detachable sleeves. Is that right? If yes, how were the sleeves attached to the dress? By strings? I've got the original Czech version of the book, so I can't tell the exact page where I found it, but it might be around the 8th page from the beginning, there where the author starts to explain what were the significant changes in clothing around 1350. Thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 19:18:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HNILuV011241 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:18:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2HNHOUa032107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:18:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HNH8lu083128; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:17:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HNH6uT027262; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2HNH2QO027208 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 17:17:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22162 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:09:31 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:09:30 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? In-Reply-To: <295560.21832.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df09639a-da2d-4c07-94ab-fcb4f9523740 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FC7704.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > When reading "Medieval clothing, armour, and weapons" I came across > a mention that around the half of the 14th century in Bohemia, there > were detachable sleeves. For ex. they were used under the elbow-length > sleeves with a tippet. This makes me a little confused as I've always > thought the tight sleeves that were visible under the shorter peaked > sleeves of the over-robe were the part of the under-robe beneath it. > Now they claim there were detachable sleeves. Is that right? If yes, > how were the sleeves attached to the dress? By strings? This is a common idea, repeated in many costume books, but I have never seen any evidence for it in Western Europe in the 14th century. Of course, Bohemia does have regional variations, so perhaps it is different there. Still, I would look with skepticism at this source, unless the author had definitive proof. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 20:05:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I05fPl012332 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:05:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2I04iWw029730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:05:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I04Dfh088143; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:04:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I04A2E052116; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I03dvn051796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:04:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-18-51.desm.qwest.net [75.162.18.51]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2I03XZI014457 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 18:03:33 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200703171900.l2HJ02Kh078763@net.indra.com> References: <200703171900.l2HJ02Kh078763@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:03:31 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2860/Sat Mar 17 13:11:46 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: CSA symposium X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21c57fe7-2542-43a3-bd38-2f76afbf511c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FC821D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am having serious "conference envy".... This looks waaay more interesting than the American Library Association conference I'm going to in June. ;-) I reallyreallyreally want to go to this. Sigh. Have fun, y'all! Suzanne On Mar 17, 2007, at 2:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: AnnBWass@aol.com > Date: March 17, 2007 7:45:18 AM CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Costume Society of America Living History Showcase > > > Once again, the Costume Society of America encourages participation > in the > Living History Showcase at the annual symposium. This year's > symposium, > "Faires, Fiestas and Expositions: Costume as Cultural Exchange," > will be at the > Omni San Diego Hotel May 29-June 3, 2007. The showcase will be > during the > opening reception Wednesday evening, 5-6 p.m. This informal venue > gives those of > us who create apparel for living history interpretations a chance > to show > our handiwork to other costume enthusiasts. As an interpreter > myself, I have > lobbied for an opportunity for us to display our works. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 21:30:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I1Tt58014319 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:30:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2I1T1hE018372 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:29:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I1STJp096083; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:28:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I1SP0E091116; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:28:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I1SLRS091043 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id 6.c9b.bf83e6e (30738) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:28:12 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:28:12 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: CSA symposium To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5358 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5cd71e3-e711-4560-b7eb-a58cfcf8225a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FC95DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/725 - Release Date: 3/17/2007 12:33 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 17 22:29:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I2TYIo015929 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:29:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2I2Scrh007373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:29:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I2RhXH001112; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I2Rfwx016166; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2I2Rco8016132 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:27:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22696 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:20:08 -0600 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:20:07 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] silk satin In-Reply-To: <006a01c76900$789f22c0$cfdef5dc@user4712b7d135> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1817f58-c628-4657-8f03-d05eafde8ebf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FCA3D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:39:49 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? Thread-Index: Acdo6pKuJmh6mIS7SQ2/uULfTQw01gAf1ttQ References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c7ee780-619e-4747-b273-591d0a5aa17a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FD4FAF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7696B.47C7B9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robin, maybe you can clear this one up for me, I've never been clear on = it... I haven't been able to find anything in 14th c. art that shows a = detachable sleeve. Or how one might be attached (pins?), presumably to = an underdress, but maybe not. But there are references to sleeves as = separate garments all over the place (in literature as tournament = favors, listed as separate items in the Great Wardrobe, in the Datini = correspondence in Italy, etc. etc.). I don't know if I'm just not seeing = something because illuminated images are tiny and can't show everything, = or if I'm understanding "a pair of sleeves" as a modern person, or just = haven't looked in the right places. Any insight? Astrida ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7696B.47C7B9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7696B.47C7B9F0-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 18 11:16:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IFGp0n022440 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:16:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2IFFsuM032205 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:16:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IFFJJU068201; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:15:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IFFIBB049108; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IFFEFC049058 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:15:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24924 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:07:47 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:07:46 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7e358d5-ea29-4ec3-a529-01baeb0765cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FD57AA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > I haven't been able to find anything in 14th c. art that shows a > detachable sleeve. Or how one might be attached (pins?), presumably to > an underdress, but maybe not. But there are references to sleeves as > separate garments all over the place (in literature as tournament > favors, listed as separate items in the Great Wardrobe, in the Datini > correspondence in Italy, etc. etc.). I don't know if I'm just not > seeing something because illuminated images are tiny and can't show > everything, or if I'm understanding "a pair of sleeves" as a modern > person, or just haven't looked in the right places. Any insight? Yes, this is an ongoing question for me as well. I've seen occasional references to sleeves as separate items, but these seem to be quoted primarily in the secondary literature, and I've wondered if they've represent highly specific or localized usage and been inappropriately generalized as evidence of broader use. The one reference I know of as a sleeve as a favor is from a 12th century romance, the one about the lady with the "small sleeves" (sorry, I don't remember the details and would have to go looking it up). And in that one, I believe she actually cuts a sleeve from a garment to give as a favor. In any case, it doesn't tell us much about 14th century usage. The Datini correspondence is Italian, which is another matter entirely. I don't do much with Italian in 14th century because that's when the styles diverge greatly from what's happening in western Europe (which is my own area of study), but there are certainly images of separate, laced-on sleeves in Italy in "Italian Renaissance" art. So no trouble there. Which leaves the occasional inventory-type reference, and I haven't made a serious study of these -- but I wish someone would! I'd want to know if they show up for anyone other than royalty; if they're for men or women or both; do they always come in pairs; and more. I also don't have a sense at the moment of the dating on these references, but I do wonder if we're seeing references to the sorts of pin-on sleeves that show up in art in the 15th century. Here's where my memory goes fuzzy, but I think it's in the 14th century that we see occasional images of men at least (I don't recall any of women but there may be some of those as well) with heavily embroidered sleeves -- or perhaps that should be "sleeve" (singular) as the embroidery often (always?) appears to be on just on one sleeve, as a sort of emblem. It's quite possible that such sleeves would be prepared separately and then perhaps given as gifts, to be attached (permanently or temporarily?) to an existing garment. I haven't had occasion to explore this, though. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 18 12:52:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IGqV6w026527 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:52:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2IGpWjY026068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IGp4qd079180; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IGp18Z004483; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:51:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.89]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IGovL1004377 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.18]) by bay0-omc1-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:50:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:50:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:50:52 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:51:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:51:02 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2007 16:50:52.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[96CF8780:01C7697D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Tailors coming to Phoenix Art Museum - June 5, 2007 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1c34189-2858-4de7-8e01-417ebe2c04d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FD6E14.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <566736.39977.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 03cf5909-ad9e-43dd-81eb-e1410c2a9bb9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FD8D0C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO "Or how one might be attached (pins?), presumably to an underdress, but maybe not. But there are references to sleeves as separate garments all over the place (in literature as tournament favors, listed as separate items in the Great Wardrobe, in the Datini correspondence in Italy, etc. etc.). I don't know if I'm just not seeing something because illuminated images are tiny and can't show everything, or if I'm understanding "a pair of sleeves" as a modern person, or just haven't looked in the right places. Any insight?" Well, I don't think you could possibly find an evidence for such sleeves in illuminations, because you can never tell whether the sleeve under the short, often peaked sleeve is a part of an underdress or a separate sleeve. The attaching method would not be visible as well, because it must have been done from the inside - I'd guess by strings like in the renaissance. I think pins wouldn't work well. But this is just a hypothesis:-) --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 18 15:27:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJReKN032411 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:27:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2IJQmp7032706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:27:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJQOJp098488; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJQNEW001705; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:26:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJQJo9001591 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:26:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76993.4AB2F610" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:21:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? Thread-Index: AcdpkEvb27eZLmuzRxOpmzv+WU5AUAAAl1cz References: <566736.39977.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6167f433-ed60-4ff8-915c-c93794b10a8a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FD9278.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76993.4AB2F610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (By the way, I apologize-- I have no idea why my message seem to show up = with an attachment, it doesn't happen with anything else I do...I'm = certainly NOT attaching anything when I send...) I'd say the sleeves we see in 14th c. art are almost exclusively part of = a whole garment, not a separate item. And while Renaissance sleeves are = often shown laced on later on, there are also plenty of paintings = showing pins securing sleeves in place. It's just that -we- don't think = that way! Astrida -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Zuzana Kraemerova Sent: Sun 3/18/2007 3:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? =20 "Or how one might be attached (pins?), presumably to an underdress, = but maybe not. But there are references to sleeves as separate garments = all over the place (in literature as tournament favors, listed as = separate items in the Great Wardrobe, in the Datini correspondence in = Italy, etc. etc.). I don't know if I'm just not seeing something because = illuminated images are tiny and can't show everything, or if I'm = understanding "a pair of sleeves" as a modern person, or just haven't = looked in the right places. Any insight?" =20 Well, I don't think you could possibly find an evidence for such = sleeves in illuminations, because you can never tell whether the sleeve = under the short, often peaked sleeve is a part of an underdress or a = separate sleeve. The attaching method would not be visible as well, = because it must have been done from the inside - I'd guess by strings = like in the renaissance. I think pins wouldn't work well. But this is just a hypothesis:-) =20 =20 --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76993.4AB2F610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76993.4AB2F610-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 18 15:38:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJc3aG000311 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:38:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2IJb6Xd007907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:37:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJanlE099563; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:36:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJalhx008178; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:36:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJajsF008094 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C76994.BFCA9B08" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:36:39 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? Thread-Index: AcdpcHwwWfZx7hVvSgCApzP/I58gRwAItFy3 References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ee973f4-9319-4c03-ba87-57019f917478 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FD94E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76994.BFCA9B08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Robin... What about Stella Mary Newton's reference to the captive French king in = 1360, (p. 58): "The clothes consisted of a suit of three garments: cote, surcote, = housee and hood, with two pairs of sleeves for the cote, all in violet = cloth in grain; a dressing gown-- mantel a lever de nuit-- with a hood = and two neck-pieces (ammucas); six pairs of hose in two colors in grain, = a cote hardi, mantle, 'simple' cote (not padded or lined), a hood and = two pairs of sleeves in blue cloth left over from the suit he had made = at All Saints in the previous year." She says all this is listed in the "Journal de la depense du roi Jean" = and I'd LOVE to take a look at the original source....not that my = medieval French is that great! ; ) But anyway, these don't sound particularly special or embellished, = though again, not seeing the original source I may simply not have = enough info. Astrida ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76994.BFCA9B08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76994.BFCA9B08-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Mar 18 15:45:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJjv8c000578 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:45:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2IJj0Hx013881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:45:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJigUh000532; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:44:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJig9Q013314; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:44:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2IJico2013272 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25640 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:37:11 -0600 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:37:11 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf6b8a91-4dc8-4bb8-b58a-40a0549fbacc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FD96BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > But anyway, these don't sound particularly special or embellished, > though again, not seeing the original source I may simply not have > enough info. Yep. The first set were "in grain," meaning kyed with kermes (exhorbitantly expensive). But the second were just "blue cloth." I too would love to know what the original said. Newton's translations aren't always inarguable. Worth noting also this is for a king, so we'd need a few steps more to generalize either to a lower class level or to women. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 19 15:59:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2JJxihI012958 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:59:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2JJwiBf025137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:59:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2JJvK5p006340; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:57:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2JJu8EV041446; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:56:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2JJu3Yb041235 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 89338 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2007 19:55:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=aUgj3uKs7yFTyEtrThS7WTYmNj6qbll0rvlU9BD4j7dvfB9w9q+nCqtt/qNPrNqXISLHCX0ma/tilMS6yxVTp5Sd5Aaw9SmnuhMMCKYKnSurJ+69kbIAO1pCmTXnT+8WyYlU1/NfWl6e0TnPmHqxAx4T0DzGfw0XavZAKKObrE8=; X-YMail-OSG: maOEr2sVM1mz.oBNbGEBV5K.IiK0gPzTrxoBVHd2iMe0PHQjgrfenmoRf95gpzJdiER.l5fRUH4XIbnBXR.BiMHazZy_IK_XYconncdj7aX4WiuiLSzQp56FlFgwTg7OUerWiz5.sXR_uMLl5Hl_C8lI Received: from [144.38.196.151] by web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:55:57 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <864823.86305.qm@web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Thread Twist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d50ccbc-716f-42db-bf4a-43e5d10b2bdd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 45FEEB75.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92da85e3-49a9-472f-b5fd-65b87f117a96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FEF68F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Has anyone used leading strings in an Elizabethan setting/outfit for their children? How did you do it? Did you attach tapes to each outfit, or is there some way to make them interchangeable? I'm tempted to try to make some sort of harness that I can clip onto my toddler to wear underneath a jerkin. Has anyone tried something like that? I'm concerned that all the tugging and pulling that I'm anticipating will yank the leading strings right out of the seams. Any experiences with leading strings will be greatly appreciated! Also, are there any useful patterns for 18-24 month sizes for Eliz.? Thanks! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 19 17:43:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2JLgrG5016180 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:42:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2JLfxMk002424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2JLdk6u026752; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2JLde9G055116; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cluster1.echolabs.net (smtp-out.echolabs.net [216.52.118.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2JJNJLK006027 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) X-Scanned-On: fe1 Received: from [64.186.88.173] (account basyefelton@floodcity.net) by be2.cluster1.echolabs.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0.11) with HTTP id 5875489 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:23:13 -0400 From: "Kirsten Felton" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0.11 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:23:13 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703191900.l2JJ0PJX081585@net.indra.com> References: <200703191900.l2JJ0PJX081585@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] detachable sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d9b105d-6236-4917-9b2d-666260178102 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 45FF03A7.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO WHY did they have detachable sleeves? it seems strange, like the garment would be less functional that way. thanks, Kitty Kitty in Somerset, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 19 20:07:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K07VEW020469 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:07:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2K06XqC016599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:07:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K05R8p071674; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K05Nxf014771; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K05KdW014725 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A380B9705F8; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:57:52 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Thread Twist Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:05:23 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c76a83$74bc5c70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <864823.86305.qm@web55315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17916ee5-3f0f-403f-ae63-2d75a63237f5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FF2589.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO But WHY? I would think that thread would be just as strong no matter which direction it was spun. Does it have to do with sewing machines and the way they are threaded? Do the differences matter for hand sewing as well as machine? Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Jodi Nelson Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:56 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Thread Twist Sorry this is a little late, but S twist is American made clockwise thread. Z twist is European made counterclockwise thead. The Z twist is less prone to tangling and knotting as well as stronger. Mettler and Gutterman come to mind for good Z twist. Jodi Nelson --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 19 20:16:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0Gk10020738 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:16:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2K0FnD2000489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:16:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0FQUR072862; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0Eg6g021452; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0EcXM021351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: from CHESLAPTOP (cpe-76-185-38-68.tx.res.rr.com [76.185.38.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2K0EWWN093317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:14:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Message-ID: <040b01c76a84$bc92c0b0$0e0ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200703191900.l2JJ0PJX081585@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] detachable sleeves Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:13:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.7, clamav-milter version 0.88.7 on smtp.prismnet.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55813465-7c1e-4a58-bb32-1e79d9db7794 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 45FF27B5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think you need to clarify where and when for the proper answer cause they are not all the same. :) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirsten Felton" To: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: [h-cost] detachable sleeves > > WHY did they have detachable sleeves? it seems strange, like the garment > would be less functional that way. thanks, Kitty > > > Kitty in Somerset, PA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 19 20:17:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0H66E020746 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:17:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2K0G7Rc031336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:16:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0FlC9072956; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0FltQ022214; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0FiP1022177 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:15:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A5F151CA006C; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:08:17 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] leading strings for elizabethans? Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:15:48 -0700 Message-ID: <004b01c76a84$e93461a0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101c76a67$78927b70$6801a8c0@OurComputer> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4177fae-a9c6-46ba-800a-3c7be26a23bd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FF27C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Maybe thread the leading string through the back of the jerkin, so it is = one continuous piece. Might pull the jerkin out of alignment, but you won't = risk a string breaking loose at a crucial moment. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Rebecca Schmitt Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] leading strings for elizabethans? Has anyone used leading strings in an Elizabethan setting/outfit for = their children? How did you do it? Did you attach tapes to each outfit, or is there some way to make them interchangeable? I'm tempted to try to make = some sort of harness that I can clip onto my toddler to wear underneath a = jerkin. Has anyone tried something like that? I'm concerned that all the tugging = and pulling that I'm anticipating will yank the leading strings right out of = the seams.=20 =20 Any experiences with leading strings will be greatly appreciated! =20 Also, are there any useful patterns for 18-24 month sizes for Eliz.? = Thanks! =20 ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire =20 My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 19 20:21:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0LRXU020869 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:21:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2K0KUkC000707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:21:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0K7OJ073476; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:20:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0K63G025262; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:20:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K0K345025223 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:20:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A6F531F0662; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:12:37 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] detachable sleeves Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:20:07 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01c76a85$83dfdef0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65818f47-ad67-44fc-a06c-e0ef4c26e2bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FF28CE.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO They had detachable sleeves so they could vary their outfits, and if = one got damaged, or soiled, they didn't have to clean the whole garment. = Often women had sleeves and forepart matching, so you could have a basic gown, = in black, for instance, but multiple sets of sleeves and foreparts (which = use much less expensive material) and vary your look easily. I know at = Faire, we remove our sleeves if it gets too hot. I don't know if that is just something we do for our own comfort, or if it was also done in past = times. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Kirsten Felton Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:23 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] detachable sleeves WHY did they have detachable sleeves? it seems strange,=20 like the garment would be less functional that way.=20 thanks, Kitty Kitty in Somerset, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 19 21:17:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K1HZcl022648 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:17:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2K1GcvP005924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:17:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K1G7EZ083422; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K1G4wx069133; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K1G1W6069105 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1578529ugc for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L0J17y1W4/uZkP3GsGH7zH3wQLgzgohIrqK11zRcaUpOAN37bve9XO/ShMBR5Q4YccNLZnwQ/Em3L5P4FtKWqCimOV+/Q5qFOj6b4lz2GVlHdGc1IEZ7pgEpySTfGUDdlDxVEV/iBa9nSUyEuLLKpAVnsqt0hcy+WUNiiCMML/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=I9/jUtEkDL6yGYn21+CEGPbQuCMk8dbxUlraqYVOMQ0hUDF5+Vfbe4l8qEUlp3ZzXRuXlR039vwVCvVBXZRqYoGAI9Q8NPiQAT+fJZxLaFQN7ftZ1Ms57H9qmo3incGKmlrCfIDlPZ5QfL0r1nWDlXYeypG+tSy/sIAcYpmFtf0= Received: by 10.65.97.18 with SMTP id z18mr8828529qbl.1174353360117; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.19 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590703191816l3c063bb8tc4d524d5842128be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:16:00 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] leading strings for elizabethans? In-Reply-To: <001101c76a67$78927b70$6801a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001101c76a67$78927b70$6801a8c0@OurComputer> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b39ca92b-8ff8-4f9f-a8d8-b76a425596b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 45FF35F6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In modern settings I've used a harness for clipping a child into a stroller - this was Germany so I'm not sure if they are available stateside - that I attached a leach to. It kept my daughter within ten feet of me without having to hold my hand, very important to a very independent little girl. I have also used a length of woven trim about a inch wide tied around my granddaughter's waist, and then a loop on the other end for my wrist. It worked well to keep her close at an event, just had to watch her getting tangled with a friend's dogs. As to how they did it in this era, I'm not sure. I can only think of one image of a little girl with leading stings. You can't tell she's wearing them, except her older sister is holding onto them. alex On 3/19/07, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > Has anyone used leading strings in an Elizabethan setting/outfit for their > children? How did you do it? Did you attach tapes to each outfit, or is > there some way to make them interchangeable? I'm tempted to try to make > some > sort of harness that I can clip onto my toddler to wear underneath a > jerkin. > Has anyone tried something like that? I'm concerned that all the tugging > and > pulling that I'm anticipating will yank the leading strings right out of > the > seams. > > Any experiences with leading strings will be greatly appreciated! > > Also, are there any useful patterns for 18-24 month sizes for Eliz.? > Thanks! > > ******************************************************************* > Rebecca Schmitt > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence > Bristol Renaissance Faire > > My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash > ******************************************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 19 22:29:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K2TJpW024734 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:29:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2K2SLEh005334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:29:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K2RjQi092728; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K2RgE3024053; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:27:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao05.charter.net (mta10.charter.net [209.225.8.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K2RcIe023949 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:27:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aa08.charter.net ([10.20.200.160]) by mtao05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070320022729.ORBY1417.mtao05.charter.net@aa08.charter.net> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:27:29 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.100.224]) by aa08.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070320022729.OFY10109.aa08.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:27:29 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] leading strings for elizabethans? Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:27:16 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c76a97$4a1a9310$6801a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdqjWpRgH5jrpMNSgW/hcTOO/Hr2gACZRpQ In-Reply-To: <870801590703191816l3c063bb8tc4d524d5842128be@mail.gmail.com> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40d03248-2e0d-4c5c-b671-40c758f246c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FF46C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, the harness idea came from a teddy-bear "backpack"/harness that has a leash which clips onto it that we use. It is nice and secure - very important when said 18-month-old decides to take off! We will be in a Faire setting with an open fire and a very large site to roam in (along with a few ponds, etc.), so I want to be sure my son is well-secured to Mommy! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Alexandria Doyle > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:16 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] leading strings for elizabethans? > > In modern settings I've used a harness for clipping a child > into a stroller > - this was Germany so I'm not sure if they are available > stateside - that I attached a leach to. It kept my daughter > within ten feet of me without having to hold my hand, very > important to a very independent little girl. > > I have also used a length of woven trim about a inch wide > tied around my granddaughter's waist, and then a loop on the > other end for my wrist. It worked well to keep her close at > an event, just had to watch her getting tangled with a friend's dogs. > > As to how they did it in this era, I'm not sure. I can only > think of one image of a little girl with leading stings. You > can't tell she's wearing them, except her older sister is > holding onto them. > > alex > > On 3/19/07, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > > Has anyone used leading strings in an Elizabethan > setting/outfit for > > their children? How did you do it? Did you attach tapes to each > > outfit, or is there some way to make them interchangeable? > I'm tempted > > to try to make some sort of harness that I can clip onto my > toddler to > > wear underneath a jerkin. > > Has anyone tried something like that? I'm concerned that all the > > tugging and pulling that I'm anticipating will yank the leading > > strings right out of the seams. > > > > Any experiences with leading strings will be greatly appreciated! > > > > Also, are there any useful patterns for 18-24 month sizes for Eliz.? > > Thanks! > > > > ******************************************************************* > > Rebecca Schmitt > > aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire > > > > My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash > > ******************************************************************* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > -- > I can handle anything that life throws at me. > I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or > gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently > -- but I will handle it. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 19 23:50:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K3o1So027221 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:50:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2K3n3TZ010728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:49:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K3mWtp004006; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:48:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K3mSJh083472; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:48:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K3mNue083406 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:48:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brennasca@erols.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2007 23:48:22 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with ESMTP id NBF05399; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-15-53-34.c3-0.grg-ubr2.lnh-grg.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([216.15.53.34]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 19 Mar 2007 22:48:07 -0500 Message-ID: <45FF5975.3010507@erols.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:48:05 -0500 From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Thread Twist References: <004601c76a83$74bc5c70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <004601c76a83$74bc5c70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38dc5b05-fe7d-4e86-a155-f760c8dd51ac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FF59AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sewing Machines are set up for different twists. I had a double needle sewing machine and if I used the wrong twist on the wrong side, the thread would ravel and break. Brenna Sharon Collier wrote: > But WHY? I would think that thread would be just as strong no matter which > direction it was spun. Does it have to do with sewing machines and the way > they are threaded? Do the differences matter for hand sewing as well as > machine? > Sharon C. > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Jodi Nelson > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:56 PM > To: h-costume@mail.indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Thread Twist > > > Sorry this is a little late, but S twist is American made clockwise thread. > Z twist is European made counterclockwise thead. The Z twist is less prone > to tangling and knotting as well as stronger. Mettler and Gutterman come to > mind for good Z twist. > > Jodi Nelson > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 09:05:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KD5t2B011123 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:05:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KD4vJV028263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:05:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KD2cnM045331; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:02:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KD2YqN030444; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2K5hlma070883 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:44:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97483392E9 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:43:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] detachable sleeves Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:43:31 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004c01c76a85$83dfdef0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89a6f23b-66f2-42ad-a75c-239af7969739 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FFDBF9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This might help with seeing some reasons for detached sleeves though it is of later era. http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk1.html http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk8.html Variation of the style. Possibly one might have a sleeve for everyday and then a special sleeve set for special occasions. In some regions the sleeve and the placket seemed to be the only thing majorly embellished (these would be for special occasions). De -----Original Message----- WHY did they have detachable sleeves? it seems strange, like the garment would be less functional that way. thanks, Kitty Kitty in Somerset, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 10:37:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEbBcJ015374 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:37:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KEaEcf015155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:37:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEZaTW074381; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:35:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEZTvF031869; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail01.unl.edu (webmail01.unl.edu [129.93.1.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEZNAs031757 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail01.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l2KEZM503666 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:35:22 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Thread Twist Message-ID: <1174401322.45fff12a2eb04@webmail01.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:35:22 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <004601c76a83$74bc5c70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <004601c76a83$74bc5c70$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5773b9b1-817e-4f8d-85b9-2233d89d941a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FFF15E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've found the difference matters more for hand sewing than machine (but my sewing machines aren't picky), but handedness of the person matters as much as handedness of the thread. Every stitch I take, the needle is rotated slightly. After several stitches, the thread has a tendancy to either kink up on itself and knot, or develop weak spots and fray. > But WHY? I would think that thread would be just as strong no matter which > direction it was spun. Does it have to do with sewing machines and the way > they are threaded? Do the differences matter for hand sewing as well as > machine? > Sharon C. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 10:40:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEelHv015524 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:40:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KEdocg004425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:40:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEdX3u075822; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEdU2n036892; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:39:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail01.unl.edu (webmail01.unl.edu [129.93.1.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEdOd0036768 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail01.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l2KEdN403745 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:39:23 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] detachable sleeves Message-ID: <1174401563.45fff21b5f233@webmail01.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:39:23 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 498707d2-344a-4ec1-9a04-424814212c62 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FFF236.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I love the woman in green in the back of the center one. Her sleeves are still attached to her bodice, but her arms aren't in them, and they're pinned (I assume) behind her, out of the way. Emma Quoting otsisto : > This might help with seeing some reasons for detached sleeves though it > is > of later era. > http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk1.html > http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk8.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 10:52:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEqRnC016129 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:52:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KEpUxx004454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:52:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEooAV081874; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEolMt051986; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:50:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KEoaoe051503 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070320145030.BPIK14723.fep31.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:50:30 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.132]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070320145030.JGBA14241.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:50:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c76aff$29d024e0$8443a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:50:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.132] at Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:50:29 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] oval metal spangels X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd1991e5-eb3e-4206-90b4-10060c713a58 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 45FFF4F2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 11:10:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KFA65S017010 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:10:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KF99er004729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:09:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KF7qVZ089328; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KF7nvS072632; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KF7ids072437 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070320150739.YPXT1846.fep32.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:07:39 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.132]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070320150738.JGMB14241.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:07:38 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c76b01$8e724020$8443a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200703201440.l2KEdXF6036958@net.indra.com> <45FFF63502000014000CDBC4@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Leading strings Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:08:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.132] at Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:07:35 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=29% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a028865-799b-4771-b064-205fdf039541 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 45FFF915.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Also 18th century it was used. Frequently seen in portraits. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Leading strings > No experience with small children, but... > > Alexandria wrote: >>As to how they did it in this era, I'm not sure. I can only think of > one >>image of a little girl with leading stings. You can't tell she's > wearing >>them, except her older sister is holding onto them. > > They used strips of fabric sewn to the shoulders of the child's > garment. I've seen them used at reenactment events. It must have worked > in the 16th-17th centuries... > > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 11:15:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KFFAaH017193 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:15:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KFEIYX019909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:15:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KFDnqZ091643; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KFDkvU080014; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cluster1.echolabs.net (smtp-out.echolabs.net [216.52.118.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KFDehD079757 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:13:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) X-Scanned-On: fe1 Received: from [64.186.88.37] (account basyefelton@floodcity.net) by be1-bl1.cluster1.echolabs.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0.13) with HTTP id 5197883 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:18:14 -0400 From: "Kirsten Felton" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0.13 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703201439.l2KEdXF4036958@net.indra.com> References: <200703201439.l2KEdXF4036958@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: detachable sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b86408d-905e-4cf8-9ee9-2f5a64f101c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FFFA4A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO thanks for all the replies. that clears things up wonderfully, especially the pictures. very interesting. I'm not a learned as most of you are, and I don't have the priviledge of being involved in renfaire or anything but just interested in clothing as it relates to history, as a way of entering into the lives of the people. Not like throwing on a garment like we do today was it? it must have taken an hour to get dressed back then. Also, Was the "forepart" like a vest? Thanks, Kitty in Somerset, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 11:31:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KFVjuL017883 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:31:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KFUlRU028008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:31:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KFU3pB002352; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KFTv4K004853; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail01.unl.edu (webmail01.unl.edu [129.93.1.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KFTptg004719 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:29:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail01.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l2KFTn204112 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:29:49 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: detachable sleeves Message-ID: <1174404589.45fffdedbce20@webmail01.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:29:49 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <200703201439.l2KEdXF4036958@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e8a82948-329f-47ba-9a90-75d69b4dacb3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 45FFFE27.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Quoting Kirsten Felton : > thanks for all the replies. that clears things up > wonderfully, especially the pictures. very interesting. > > I'm not a learned as most of you are, and I don't have the > priviledge of being involved in renfaire or anything but > just interested in clothing as it relates to history, as a > way of entering into the lives of the people. > > Not like throwing on a garment like we do today was it? > it must have taken an hour to get dressed back then. > > Also, Was the "forepart" like a vest? > > Thanks, > > > > Kitty in Somerset, PA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 12:24:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGOSgi019838 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:24:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KGNZJt028355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:24:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGMXuB018523; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGMAs6071815; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:22:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KG3jir047480 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:03:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5395AC706E for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:03:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <46001450.7040608@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:05:20 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: detachable sleeves References: <200703201439.l2KEdXF4036958@net.indra.com> <1174404589.45fffdedbce20@webmail01.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <1174404589.45fffdedbce20@webmail01.unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f65177b2-649c-4997-ab5a-a05b287c9da7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46000A87.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 12:38:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGc6Dv020386 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:38:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KGb91f004823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:37:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGaTx6024670; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:36:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGaMvP092249; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGaAc4091868 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (203.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.203]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <200703201636031110092keme>; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:36:03 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c76b0d$d913f860$cbb04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200703201440.l2KEdXF6036958@net.indra.com> <45FFF63502000014000CDBC4@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Leading strings Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:35:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e47377f4-0290-43a3-a507-05e993d673a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46000DB5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Having raised three kids and two grand kids in the SCA, I can say that lead strings with a harness work best. They rarely come unsewn at the wrong time. I had a set my mother-in-law gave me when my oldest was a toddler and it's still after all these yearsin my oldest grandaughter's hope chest. I don't think they were new when I got them. The came from England. Try Googling Leadstrings. These were off white and are now a greyish white. They did not look out of place and fitted fairly well under the outer tunic. Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 12:39:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGdQwj020434 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:39:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KGcYcS031070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:39:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGbuXV025361; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:37:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGboa5094434; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:37:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KGbZML094039 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:37:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AC0EC15064E; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:30:06 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: detachable sleeves Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:37:39 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c76b0e$12cc94e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5ccc536-8fac-4b3e-99ff-4cf06c0b4fbc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46000E0A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No, an underskirt, with the front a nice material, so it showed under a split-front skirt. The back/sides were often less expensive fabric, as they are not supposed to be seen. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kirsten Felton Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:18 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: detachable sleeves thanks for all the replies. that clears things up wonderfully, especially the pictures. very interesting. I'm not a learned as most of you are, and I don't have the priviledge of being involved in renfaire or anything but just interested in clothing as it relates to history, as a way of entering into the lives of the people. Not like throwing on a garment like we do today was it? it must have taken an hour to get dressed back then. Also, Was the "forepart" like a vest? Thanks, Kitty in Somerset, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 13:52:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KHqhqE022780 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:52:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2KHpklM021083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:52:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KHouaN053586; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:50:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KHoZ4Y096699; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf2.jatol.com (aethelwulf2.jatol.com [64.38.40.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2KHoQgK096280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:50:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from cpanel by aethelwulf2.jatol.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HTiTP-0002Ox-5V for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:50:15 -0500 Received: from 24.216.120.37 ([24.216.120.37]) by www.formfunction.org (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:50:15 -0500 Message-ID: <20070320125015.fpjm7bycumio8k84@www.formfunction.org> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:50:15 -0500 From: formfunc@formfunction.org To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf2.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32002 32002] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: detacheable sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0624aeda-6e29-4d01-ac3d-ac7390f7eedd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46001F32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It has two really big advantages that I like: first, it doesn't LOOK =20 like a removable sleeve unless you get about 6 inches away (and most =20 of the styles I make weren't meant to have visibly removable sleeves), =20 and second, when I just can't decide what style sleeve to make for the =20 outfit, I can make as many as I have fabric for and switch 'em out =20 according to mood. And since there's no ties, it actually looks like I =20 have that many different outfits. -E House (Beginning to recover from months of email trouble... not fixed, but =20 at least I can now post to my mailing lists. Sigh. Email provider =20 says it's not their fault, husband who set up network & firewall says =20 it's not a problem on our side, I get no error messages, and yet... it =20 ain't working. Grr. 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Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 20 22:27:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L2Rceb006839 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:27:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2L2Qdlu025332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:27:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L2Q3ag084051; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L2PtEl042708; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:25:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2L2Pqdb042595 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: (qmail 78146 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2007 02:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.105?) (mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@70.133.75.167 with plain) by smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2007 02:25:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1Klc3sMVM1ls8Hvuyehrai8GuJataMv0NxwfFsdSUSvYcV860O3p8N9WE.C0UjJSE1fGJsz1TYpOmAJXXlTHqjbQMPzGkcQdsqGR_z7cmHCawaVym0NTfs_iA4n914e7xs0UBjH3PFRiPovnKZfh9yBu9Q-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1174401563.45fff21b5f233@webmail01.unl.edu> References: <1174401563.45fff21b5f233@webmail01.unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B8AAE4B-6712-4BE9-B762-78492DBC14D2@margospatterns.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] detachable sleeves Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:25:43 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c97f56fd-9b96-4617-987a-6097f409ebbc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460097DF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Also, detachable sleeves are much easier to fit, since they don't have to be eased into an armhole. Margo On Mar 20, 2007, at 7:39 AM, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > > I love the woman in green in the back of the center one. Her > sleeves are still > attached to her bodice, but her arms aren't in them, and they're > pinned (I > assume) behind her, out of the way. > Emma > > Quoting otsisto : > >> This might help with seeing some reasons for detached sleeves >> though it >> is >> of later era. >> http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk1.html >> http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk8.html > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 02:18:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L6I5mW019915 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:18:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2L6H82v003481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:17:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L6GdxJ019556; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L6GXED008494; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L6GTAk008441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-225-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.225]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2L6GQH3018279 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:16:28 +1100 Message-ID: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:16:26 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57d5a7e9-4b16-498c-b79d-21bc9c617293 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4600CDE4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've been given just under 4 yards of dark gold silk noil as a gift and after a long time trying to think what I could do with it (I don't sew modern stuff and I know silk noil is not period for pre 20th century purposes plus the small yardage made it really hard to think of anything) I thought that it might work as a kirtle in the style of 15th century peasants e.g. http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/june.jpg (as with this small yardage I'll need detachable sleeves). I need a dress in blue and gold for SCA purposes (the heraldic colours of my group) to replace a cotton broadcloth T-tunic (i.e. this cut http://www.angelfire.com/ia2/barony/newmembersguide/sewingtipstxt.html) that was passed on to me by the previous Seneschal of the group so I thought if I can use a period cut it's at least an improvement on what I'm replacing. But I'm not sure if I will be able to squeeze a dress in this style from such a small yardage. I'm a size 18-20 in big 3 patterns and 5'10" tall but I've never made anything pre 16th century before (or at least not for myself, I've made a couple of tunics for other people) so my usual minimum purchase is 5 metres. For those with more experience in this area would you expect to be able to squeeze a short sleeved 4 panel (bust supporting) kirtle out of about 3 & 3/4 yd of 45" wide fabric, preferably with minimal piecing. I was planning to use a modified version of Burda 7977 http://preview.tinyurl.com/2jq7jr but it calls for nearly 6 yards and I don't think the changing the sleeves will save me 2 yards of fabric OK I've gone all waffly in this post but the summary is I've got 3 & 3/4 yds of fabric and I need a 15th century kirtle either with short sleeves do you think it's plausible either with or without piecing, opinions and shared experiences are welcome. Thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 05:13:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L9DVj6023779 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:13:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2L9CX3c014889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:13:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L9BxDa052768; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:11:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L9BsXc036107; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2L9BoZ0036048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 03:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 6E1A4D4125; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:11:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1576ED3FFF for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:11:48 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000101c76b98$f4629190$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcdrWUP4nrYvkSKWRieC+w0z9F9Q6AAP2sAg In-Reply-To: <200703210132.l2L1We28098626@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=41% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: oval metal spangels X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c04f7215-4022-45f6-84d7-c4816fed1dc0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4600F701.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 06:07:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LA72WW001463 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:07:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LA64Hh002662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:06:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LA5Yqi065696; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:05:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LA5WtL077510; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:05:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LA5TWn077363 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:05:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070321100523.FZKY2213.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:05:23 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.178.145]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id dN5P1W00438clPG0000000; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:05:23 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:05:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c76ba0$6e34ec50$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a6e4731-4e08-44b8-a173-947fd9d20778 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4601038C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Elizabeth, what is the width of your silk? I'm a size 24-26 and 5'10" and can easily make a kyrtle or gown out of 3 yards of fabric, if it's at least 58" wide. Gotta love those simple, no-waste cuts! (There's really no need for a paper pattern for simple gowns like this, in fact they tend to waste fabric imo) I like working in noil. It's very forgiving and comfortable. ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Subject: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle I've been given just under 4 yards of dark gold silk noil as a gift and the summary is I've got 3 & 3/4 yds of fabric and I need a 15th century kirtle either with short sleeves do you think it's plausible either with or without piecing, opinions and shared experiences are welcome. Thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 07:46:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LBkcEb020552 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:46:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LBjYWu014911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:46:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LBine0086408; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LBikJI055236; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:44:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LBihxn055177 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04490 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:37:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:37:27 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle In-Reply-To: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d832c8e-2211-4310-a682-fdedcebd31d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46011ADE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > I'm a size 18-20 in big 3 patterns and 5'10" tall ... For those with > more experience in this area would you expect to be able to squeeze a > short sleeved 4 panel (bust supporting) kirtle out of about 3 & 3/4 > yd of 45" wide fabric, preferably with minimal piecing. Probably not. I'd suggest you find another use for it rather than drive yourself nuts trying to do this. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 07:59:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LBxViw020933 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:59:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LBwYDX030250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:59:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LBwFuo089217; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LBwDlu065841; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:58:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LBwAqp065649 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 05:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04551 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:50:55 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:50:55 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle In-Reply-To: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 248daf16-0498-48ea-9216-83576ed126b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46011DEA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: For 3 & 3/4 yd of 45" wide fabric, particularly in dark gold silk noil, consider this: http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/g/gentiles/orazio/luteplay.html I once did this out of two wool scraps that totaled about 2 1/2 yards (OK, they were 60 inches wide, but you've got much more than that). A bonus: cheap spun silks, similar to noil, would have been used for non-wealthy Italians in this period. And there's your color documented for you right in that painting. I found it useful to line the bodice area, with a single layer of interlining between the lining and outer fabric. I'd suggest a strong linen for the interlining. That gave me plenty of bust support. Easy to make, very comfortable for warm weather. You'll see other views of similar dresses in other paintings by Orazio and Artemesia Gentileschi. My other source of useful views was a cookbook illustrated with Renaissance paintings that included some Italian 16th c. kitchen scenes, which happened to include this picture that De posted the other day: http://festiveattyre.com/research/wkclass/wk1.html ... which has some examples of this sort of dress with tie-on sleeves and bodice trim. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 09:17:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LDHdgj023319 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:17:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LDGk7d013512 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:17:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LDG3CC008402; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LDFvLr034392; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LDFtiY034266 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from catrijn@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l24so211275nfc for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:15:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z+3jlUa+f0SoNV2jbvA0udTuTk6YAOnxyylYmh8UP6ivwi2yzfNYj0GOUDsgIZFFJo7iami6R5hD6j3Mj5T5hXBccT8bjbOPy8R40/Qd1FL/BGvVKYonhbvQHlZWWkX/ai05tdonTIggF63HJ+NYH4L1qJo/Q6LM9VV7OtPwnlo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G4m1P9UrdbFkreTgTYQ/ZLaMa6gRgkeSLLvHk/1ASMo9J3wVibEzj/LLOZGu79kBvl0qVc+o6di2Jwy9d94YCNGKPwAbXKvaQnsx6CM4C07/vSm7Hf6nFLUS4Jr9FBtMAKD+9apwJGqhTx3Pv6Eh3uoJxxSqntyG2acR2vcDAIM= Received: by 10.78.200.3 with SMTP id x3mr344638huf.1174482949625; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.68.14 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 06:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:15:49 -0400 From: "Catrijn vanden Westhende" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle In-Reply-To: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 18236ca6-c669-4598-8ea4-25aa1e0e066f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4601303E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 3/21/07, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > I was planning to use a modified version of Burda 7977 > http://preview.tinyurl.com/2jq7jr but it calls for nearly 6 yards and I > don't think the changing the sleeves will save me 2 yards of fabric > OK I've gone all waffly in this post but the summary is I've got 3 & 3/4 yds > of fabric and I need a 15th century kirtle either with short sleeves do you > think it's plausible either with or without piecing, opinions and shared > experiences are welcome. > Thanks > Elizabeth It wouldn't be easy. Playing with fabric layouts in my head, the best I can do still only ends up with a 120 inch hem, minus seam allowances - which would be fine for me, but would probably be pretty minimal on you. Another 1/2 yd or 60 inch wide fabric and I'd say absolutely, go for it, but I think in this case it might be too much work for sub-optimal results. - Catrijn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 09:47:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LDlMtv024145 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:47:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LDkPoX021508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:47:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LDjeBJ014022; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:45:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LDjZq5061538; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LDiwqD060966 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070321134453.SUBY21747.fep35.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:44:53 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.103]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070321134453.KCBE5366.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:44:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c76bbf$27e7d9a0$67e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000101c76b98$f4629190$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: oval metal spangels Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:45:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.63.231.103] at Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:44:50 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=24% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed9f4738-f056-4921-ad98-0ee425463294 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46013731.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Though noil was considered a lesser quality fabric, people still used it, though maybe not in places it would show. However, if you love it, I don't see a problem with using it. 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Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Isabel Subject: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db9d7400-fab5-4e04-a112-5d680e617832 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46018992.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO Hi, all! I have a question that's tangentially relevant to natural dyeing of textiles in the period from 350-575 AD. I know there are many consummate dyers on the list, so maybe somebody here will know! A friend of mine is writing her Master's thesis on ceramic vessels in Norway in the period mentioned, and she has a theory that some of them may have been used to dye small amounts of thread or other textile matter. Specifically for this she's looking at bucket-shaped pottery, probably earthenware burned at temperatures between 650-800 degrees Celsius. An illustration can be found here, it's the one at the bottom right: http://www.ub.uib.no/asp/elpub.asp?PublName=3DVestlandske&aar=3D1&?sp=3D1&e= p=3D177&pn=3D119 These vessel are fairly heat resistant as they are tempered with asbestos or soap-stone material. This means they will dispach heat evenly to the content over a long period after being heated. So here's the rub: these vessels, like most ceramics found from the period, are usually fairly small. Apparently cooking pots normally held between 4-8 litres. These bucket-shaped ones in her material range from 0.8 litres to 17 litres, with an average of 1.5 litres. To me this sounds like most of them are too small to dye much in - but then I've never really done much yarn dyeing. So, to the point of my long and winding question: does anybody have any thoughts about or, even better, references to any of the following: - Would these vessels be too small to dye in, or is it likely that they could have been used because larger vessels just weren't that normal? - Any books or serious websites that go into techniques and materials used for dyeing specifically for this period? - There are examples from the period of textiles that would have been yarn dyed, for example the tablet-woven bands from Eveb=F8, H=F8gom and Snartemo finds. At Snartemo the bands are woven from horsehair (tail hair) which was dyed yellow, white (probably undyed?), red and blue. What dyestuffs would have been used? I would guess weld, madder or kermes, and woad. Does that sound likely? The reason why I ask is that these are all dyestuffs that would require some sort of heating in a Scandinavian climate, which might rule out wooden vessels for dyeing. I suppose you could set a woad fermentation vat without any additional heat, but it might be difficult to get it to work properly. So I guess the question would actually be: does anybody know of dyestuffs that would give these colours _without_ the addition of heat? Um, I think that's all I can think of right now. It's potentially a huge, complex question, I know, but if anybody could point me to any sources or share their own experiences I'd be grateful. :) Ingrid --=20 This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.dome= nebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebu= tikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 16:01:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LK1p56003964 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:01:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LK0suX008588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:01:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LK0PZi017757; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:00:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LK056R065692; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LJxDNc064385 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.220.231]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JF90005VRGEZOA8@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:58:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:57:36 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <004701c76bf3$345d1950$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23f5270b-4bce-462e-a852-cd48f50ed12c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46018EF6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There's a kirtle that show up in the second half of the 15th c. It has a scoop neck, laces up the front, has a four-piece bodice with high armscyes, short sleeves (with long sleeves pinned on), a waist seam and a gored skirt set on mostly smoothly. You should be able to that dress out of nearly four yards, especially since noil has no nap and you can nest the pieces for maximum fabric usage. I got one for a size 12 out of just under 3 yds, also 45" wide, but I really enjoy geometry. . Look at "The Seven Sacraments" and a "Deposition" by Jan van Eyck and the Gravende altarpiece by Hans Memlng. This dress is in there, seams visible. Good luck with the project, -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 16:10:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LKA0ZY004209 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:10:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LK9mpi016194 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:09:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LK9KlD020194; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LK9EWe077760; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:09:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta17.adelphia.net (mta17.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LK97iY077505 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysayher@adelphia.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [76.100.198.31]) by mta16.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20070321193151.GBNH25724.mta16.adelphia.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:31:51 -0400 Message-ID: <4601886E.7090306@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:33:02 -0400 From: Gail User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200703211900.l2LJ0NPS083274@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200703211900.l2LJ0NPS083274@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=100% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Backing Spangles X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f49005c1-dc3e-4680-a637-0232b596fca6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4601910C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Just back them with a small piece of your fabric (with applied interfacing) the has been cut to a little more that the original shape of the spangle. Lady Margaret > 10. Re: RE: oval metal spangels (Bjarne og Leif Drews) > > > Bjarne, I wouldn't be using the spangles on your suit if I were you; > had you noticed these are the type with teeth to pierce the fabric and then > the teeth bent over. This will damage your fabric beyond belief, and given > the amount of work you're putting into the suit, well, I don't think you'd > want it compromised. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 16:51:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LKpI8h005340 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:51:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LKp2vA023166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:51:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LKoRFg030109; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LKoGAx026829; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LKoBvZ026684 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4420D3DBFA for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:50:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:50:07 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <460147F5.4050403@reddawn.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e74f84a4-2783-4f8b-bc71-33ee61b722cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46019AB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have you thought of going Florentine, late 1400s? http://festiveattyre.com/research/earlyflor/portfolio.html or Venice? http://www.renaissancewoman.net/realmofvenus/wardrobe/artgallery1.htm -----Original Message----- > OK I've gone all waffly in this post but the summary is I've got 3 & 3/4 > yds of fabric and I need a 15th century kirtle either with short sleeves > do you think it's plausible either with or without piecing, opinions and > shared experiences are welcome. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 17:24:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LLO0Xt006258 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:24:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LLNmLS018367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:23:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LLNHbH036707; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LLN8nh061346; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:23:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.200.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LLN2Kl061090 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:23:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200703212123.l2LLN2Kl061090@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070321212252012008mjhge>; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:22:52 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:22:57 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Backing Spangles In-Reply-To: <4601886E.7090306@adelphia.net> References: <200703211900.l2LJ0NPS083274@net.indra.com> <4601886E.7090306@adelphia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8a1fc51-7465-40fb-96c8-5613d2a4fe91 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4601A264.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 03:33 PM 3/21/2007, you wrote: >Just back them with a small piece of your fabric (with applied >interfacing) the has been cut to a little more that the original >shape of the spangle. >Lady Margaret >>10. Re: RE: oval metal spangels (Bjarne og Leif Drews) >> I just got a Be-Dazzler (yes, just like the ones from when I was kid, back when dinosaurs roamed the earth.) I don't plan to use it on costumes, but I can have some fun with bags and jackets and jeans! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 18:10:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LMAHuk008091 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:10:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LM9vC1022738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LM7qsA045259; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:07:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LM7mBC009771; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:07:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf2.jatol.com (aethelwulf2.jatol.com [64.38.40.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LM7h8A009581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from cpanel by aethelwulf2.jatol.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HU8y1-0005rq-4W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:07:37 -0500 Received: from 24.216.120.37 ([24.216.120.37]) by www.formfunction.org (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:07:37 -0500 Message-ID: <20070321170737.c5amyfrjlndws440@www.formfunction.org> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:07:37 -0500 From: formfunc@formfunction.org To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle References: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf2.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32002 32002] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32965bc8-2038-4e72-9675-d55fe11de71a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4601AD35.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think we're a similar size & height, so some of the layouts that I =20 use might help: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore1.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore2.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore3.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore4.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore5.gif Sorry for the poor image quality; my scanner just did not want to see =20 the grid! These are basically to scale, give or take about an inch, =20 but should not be scaled up exactly or used as patterns. The last is =20 (obviously) not a 4-panel, but I threw it in anyway; it's a mid-late =20 15thC it's-not-a-princess-seam gown. (SL-sleeve, SLG=3Dsleeve gore, BG=3Dback gore, SG=3Dside gore, FS=3Dfront = =20 gore; I assumed 30" fabric width for each. 60" garment length is =20 conveniently top-of-the-shoes for me at ~5'10.") All of these are based on draped patterns rather than commercial ones, =20 but they all take under 4 yds of fabric. When (as is usually the =20 case) the gores have one on-grain edge and one bias edge, the on-grain =20 edge should go towards the front. Where not marked otherwise, the top =20 edge is the fold edge. I'm too lazy to hunt the diagrams up now, but when you have fabric =20 twice your desired length or a tad more, you might want to try folding =20 the fabric widthwise rather than lengthwise; you can get a lot more =20 out of it that way. -E "cut your cote to fit your cloth" House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 18:39:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LMdEa2009081 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:39:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LMd2nJ010320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:39:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LMcbk1049766; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LMcWND038430; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LMcRiE038265 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.157] (sjs-130-65-37-157.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.157]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LMcKmm003234 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:38:21 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200703201439.l2KEdXF4036958@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7E09DDDE-8DBA-4469-B0DC-71BB86C4D4F8@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: detachable sleeves Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:38:18 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13ed6aa5-83f0-4d17-8a5e-4bb2ff4935ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4601B406.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Kirsten Felton wrote: > Not like throwing on a garment like we do today was it? it must > have taken an hour to get dressed back then. It all depended on who you were and what your station was. Peasants and serfs could dress quickly. A friend of mine played Queen Elizabeth at a renaissance faire. She was visiting a different faire (not as ER), and got into a discussion "offstage" with the Queen there, who was inordinately proud of being able to get dressed by herself. My friend was a bit appalled by this; for her, the hour or so of being dressed (not getting dressed) was important for her to get in to character each morning. It was just what she needed to detach from her daily jobs of being a museum tour guide and a voice actress. -- andy trembley, Bitchy Design Queen - http://www.bovil.com/ Play Internet Argument-Losing Bingo! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 19:39:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LNdbfC010817 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:39:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LNdPJ6012232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:39:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LNcog7059069; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LNcjZG093545; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LNcfm3093451 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:38:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id 6.c97.b2be4a6 (43930) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:38:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:38:28 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 079f528c-1f60-44b9-9633-97665f3d604e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4601C22D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's completely possible. It will take time, and thought, and I'd suggest drawing the pattern out on paper first, and cutting as many paper pieces as you'll need in cloth. That way you can work it out (lay the cloth on the floor, and lay the pattern pieces on top - trial and error till you get something that works). I'd normally allow around 5m, but it is doable with less, and on occasions where customers have already bought the fabric when they order, I have done it, more than once, with good results. Any less than what you've got and you'd be skimping too much on the fabric. Although I once did one with 3m, I am very good at economical cutting - once made a three piece suit from a two piece (customer supplied) suit length!). Good luck! debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 19:57:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LNvqMP011215 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:57:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2LNvdE6019780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:57:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LNvDt1061564; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LNvBXx007845; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2LN70i8065225 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:07:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8D480D8008E; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:59:32 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:07:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c76c0d$a50a9fa0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20070321170737.c5amyfrjlndws440@www.formfunction.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f8143bf-70de-43a7-bd02-fd6bee7ed64f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4601C674.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not being familiar with this era, would it be correct to leave a slit at the bottom sides,(for ease of walking), if not enough fabric was available for the gores? What about an over gown, the sleeveless kind with overlarge armholes? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of formfunc@formfunction.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle I think we're a similar size & height, so some of the layouts that I use might help: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore1.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore2.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore3.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore4.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/4-gore5.gif Sorry for the poor image quality; my scanner just did not want to see the grid! These are basically to scale, give or take about an inch, but should not be scaled up exactly or used as patterns. The last is (obviously) not a 4-panel, but I threw it in anyway; it's a mid-late 15thC it's-not-a-princess-seam gown. (SL-sleeve, SLG=sleeve gore, BG=back gore, SG=side gore, FS=front gore; I assumed 30" fabric width for each. 60" garment length is conveniently top-of-the-shoes for me at ~5'10.") All of these are based on draped patterns rather than commercial ones, but they all take under 4 yds of fabric. When (as is usually the case) the gores have one on-grain edge and one bias edge, the on-grain edge should go towards the front. Where not marked otherwise, the top edge is the fold edge. I'm too lazy to hunt the diagrams up now, but when you have fabric twice your desired length or a tad more, you might want to try folding the fabric widthwise rather than lengthwise; you can get a lot more out of it that way. -E "cut your cote to fit your cloth" House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 21:05:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M15AAD012964 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:05:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2M14tKw019502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:05:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M14Txi069672; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:04:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M14QuD058574; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:04:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M14KfV058477 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 13441981-1803867 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:03:50 +1100 Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.130.164.2]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 24486015-1803868 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:04:05 +1100 Received: from 203.10.77.190 by HTTP From: "garden@netspeed.com.au" To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.1r X-Originating-IP: 203.10.77.190 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:05:04 +1000 Message-id: <4601d640.e4.5a4b.798088236@netspeed.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 79bb8ba8-8bbe-4dab-a273-79f35093ad69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4601D637.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I'm distant from my books and patterns right now and need to work out the yardage required to make a full short cloak out of narrow velveteen. What would you recommend? The cloak needs to go to the hip on a med/large guy. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 21:25:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M1PPnp013653 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:25:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2M1PD3q025254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:25:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M1Oj3j072233; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:24:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M1OhFG073033; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:24:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M1OdCN072975 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.147] (pm5-147.eos.net [205.133.149.147]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2M1OcvD006125 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:24:39 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:06:16 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703211900.l2LJ0NPS083274@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81bc5051-9ad9-498d-8d56-2c613ed12075 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4601DAF9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO on 3/21/07 3:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > For 3 & 3/4 yd of 45" wide fabric, particularly in dark gold silk noil, > consider this: > > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/g/gentiles/orazio/luteplay.html > > I once did this out of two wool scraps that totaled about 2 1/2 yards (OK, > they were 60 inches wide, but you've got much more than that). A bonus: > cheap spun silks, similar to noil, would have been used for non-wealthy > Italians in this period. And there's your color documented for you right > in that painting. I have never noticed the arm/shoulder treatment in that dress before. How does it work, exactly? And why is it like that? It looks as if the front of the bodice has a shoulder strap that connects to a string or cord of some kind attached to the back of the dress. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 21 22:17:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M2GvQq015507 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:17:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2M2Gj1j027859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:16:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M2GIUR079094; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M2G0io013295; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M2FrlS013160 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07089 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:08:40 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:08:40 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5838961-32e5-4fae-bd89-45316e856bb6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4601E70D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > I have never noticed the arm/shoulder treatment in that dress before. > How does it work, exactly? And why is it like that? It looks as if the > front of the bodice has a shoulder strap that connects to a string or > cord of some kind attached to the back of the dress. That pretty much describes it. As far as I can tell, it makes the dress more adjustable -- and would be easier to make without having to fit exactly to the person. I suppose it might also be done as an alteration to fit a later wearer. As it happens, I did mine with a solid strap as seen in some of the other images, but I used this image as the source for some other details in the side lacing and skirt. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 00:18:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M4ITjS018205 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:18:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2M4IHL2026169 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:18:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M4HtB7002033; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M4HpK1016213; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:17:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2M4HkpS016042 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:17:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDAEA39ARU7RSJ for (sender ); Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:17:03 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7k0nyI/QlgKxW5UDQQ++SYRtH/vyCVwgzg== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MHELTPKF; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:16:28 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:14:47 -0500 Message-ID: <20070321.231447.1060.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-7,14-15 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 5:2:72765690 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b237c76-b096-4f28-b032-632a01391913 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46020389.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > OK I've gone all waffly in this post but the summary is I've got 3 & > 3/4 yds > of fabric and I need a 15th century kirtle either with short sleeves > do you > think it's plausible either with or without piecing, opinions and > shared > experiences are welcome. Not the century you're looking at, but I just squeezed an Elizabethan kirtle out of one pair of tab-top drapes that the previous owner of my mother and stepfather's townhome left behind. I didn't measure them before cutting, but I'd guess they were about 6 feet long (not counting the silly-looking fake-smocked band across the top) and maybe 50-60 inches wide. I'm a 22-24 in Margo's patterns for most measurements, though I had to shorten everything (only 5'2"). Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 00:43:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M4hsdd018768 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:43:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2M4hg56008992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:43:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M4hFT4004883; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:43:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M4hClJ033412; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M4h663033332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-6-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.6]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2M4h3dA005607 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:43:04 +1100 Message-ID: <011f01c76c3c$94af6a30$06f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:43:01 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Disposition: X-PCToolsMIME: Updated by PC Tools Mime Parser 1.0.0.4 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5e412e5-ac68-4b01-b98e-3bc89ace8795 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4602097E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 00:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO thanks everyone for your suggestions, I'll have to play around with the layout on paper and see if I can squeeze something useable from the yardage I've got. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle > I've been given just under 4 yards of dark gold silk noil as a gift and > after a long time trying to think what I could do with it (I don't sew > modern stuff and I know silk noil is not period for pre 20th century > purposes plus the small yardage made it really hard to think of anything) > I thought that it might work as a kirtle in the style of 15th century > peasants e.g. http://humanities.uchicago.edu/images/heures/june.jpg (as > with this small yardage I'll need detachable sleeves). E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.169) Database version: 5.06900 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 03:10:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M7ApFO012089 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:10:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2M7Acck019034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:10:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M7A56i022370; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:10:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M79vOn024591; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:09:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2M79pVt024539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-240-6-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.240.6]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2M79mjI008826 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:09:50 +1100 Message-ID: <019f01c76c51$154199c0$06f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> <004701c76bf3$345d1950$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:09:46 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 307655df-0967-471e-9e02-44d468d80a51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46022BEE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 08:40:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MCeZUl029284 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:40:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MCeMY8025923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MCdsKQ068842; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:39:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MCdoKY034430; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:39:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MCdlVp034325 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 06:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.213]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070322123941.TMFN3783.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:39:41 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.213]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070322123940.JBEF5115.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:39:40 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:39:30 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion In-Reply-To: <200703220710.l2M79vaS024594@net.indra.com> References: <200703220710.l2M79vaS024594@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070322123940.JBEF5115.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e0e8495-aadd-4625-8478-0fb56cc13013 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46027937.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I can attest to the comfort of this dress. I have been wearing this style for about 20 years in the SCA.. summer and winter in the South and over some fairly wide weight changes with minor adjustments. My first was with the cord (still have), but since have used straps. Beth At 02:10 AM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 21:08:40 -0600 (CST) >From: Robin Netherton >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion > >On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > > > I have never noticed the arm/shoulder treatment in that dress before. > > How does it work, exactly? And why is it like that? It looks as if the > > front of the bodice has a shoulder strap that connects to a string or > > cord of some kind attached to the back of the dress. > >That pretty much describes it. As far as I can tell, it makes the dress >more adjustable -- and would be easier to make without having to fit >exactly to the person. I suppose it might also be done as an alteration to >fit a later wearer. > >As it happens, I did mine with a solid strap as seen in some of the other >images, but I used this image as the source for some other details in the >side lacing and skirt. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 09:17:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MDHRmS030477 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:17:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MDHEaP013011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:17:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MDGgnF073475; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:16:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MDGeVO060406; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:16:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (mxo5.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MDGbHW060306 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:16:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49278] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.14.1 r(15310M)) with ESMTP id 88/95-30744-BE082064 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:13:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200703220710.l2M79vaS024594@net.indra.com> References: <200703220710.l2M79vaS024594@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:16:22 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=36% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: dye vessels... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24365fe2-45b1-4f06-8f66-34320a35dada X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460281DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 1:10 AM -0600 3/22/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >So, to the point of my long and winding question: does anybody have any >thoughts about or, even better, references to any of the following: > >- Would these vessels be too small to dye in, or is it likely that they > could have been used because larger vessels just weren't that normal? > >- Any books or serious websites that go into techniques and materials > used for dyeing specifically for this period? > >- There are examples from the period of textiles that would have been > yarn dyed, for example the tablet-woven bands from Eveb=AF, H=AFgom and > Snartemo finds. At Snartemo the bands are woven from horsehair (tail > hair) which was dyed yellow, white (probably undyed?), red and blue. > What dyestuffs would have been used? I would guess weld, madder or > kermes, and woad. Does that sound likely? The reason why I ask is that > these are all dyestuffs that would require some sort of heating in a > Scandinavian climate, which might rule out wooden vessels for dyeing. > I suppose you could set a woad fermentation vat without any additional > heat, but it might be difficult to get it to work properly. So I guess > the question would actually be: does anybody know of dyestuffs that > would give these colours _without_ the addition of heat? > >Um, I think that's all I can think of right now. It's potentially a >huge, complex question, I know, but if anybody could point me to any >sources or share their own experiences I'd be grateful. :) =46or what it's worth, I've done heated dyeing with clay vessels set on the side of the fire...And threatened anyone with death if they went dry or started to over heat They worked very well. Our cooks also cooked stews in the same manner (and with the same big stick!) We were doing some experimental stuff, no real direct evidence, but it worked very well. I also have done a small woad vat in a clay container--moving it is the real challenge...not a problem in ancient cultures! Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 09:52:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MDpvCx031656 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:52:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MDpiZg031905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:51:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MDp5gf080175; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:51:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MDoxre091762; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MDopl1091623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:50:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge1) with ESMTP id l2MFdhPR000334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:39:43 +0100 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l2MFdg9Q000329 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:39:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:39:42 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: dye vessels... 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Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e77504c-186c-4d1d-b8f5-65c3dcf4586c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460289F1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, cahuff wrote: > For what it's worth, I've done heated dyeing with clay vessels set on > the side of the fire...And threatened anyone with death if they went > dry or started to over heat They worked very well. Our cooks also > cooked stews in the same manner (and with the same big stick!) > We were doing some experimental stuff, no real direct evidence, but > it worked very well. > I also have done a small woad vat in a clay container--moving it is > the real challenge...not a problem in ancient cultures! Thanks for your answer! How large were these clay vessels, and how much textile were you able to dye in them? Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 10:07:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ME7O3n032169 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:07:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2ME7CDI009485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:07:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ME6edZ083645; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ME6aSR009507; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2ME6XXV009338 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.16]) by bay0-omc1-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:06:28 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:06:28 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:06:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:06:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:06:26 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2007 14:06:28.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[48EEC510:01C76C8B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60720ff8-26bb-497b-aff3-56440eba1fa3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46028D90.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ingrid, I can't help you a bit, but am wondering if there aren't some other lists for where you might get some help. I will forward to my Croft list (they do a lot of spinning and weaving and dyeing.) Maybe someone there will know, or know of a group which will know. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ingrid G. Storrø" To: Cc: "Isabel" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD? Hi, all! I have a question that's tangentially relevant to natural dyeing of textiles in the period from 350-575 AD. I know there are many consummate dyers on the list, so maybe somebody here will know! A friend of mine is writing her Master's thesis on ceramic vessels in Norway in the period mentioned, and she has a theory that some of them may have been used to dye small amounts of thread or other textile matter. Specifically for this she's looking at bucket-shaped pottery, probably earthenware burned at temperatures between 650-800 degrees Celsius. An illustration can be found here, it's the one at the bottom right: http://www.ub.uib.no/asp/elpub.asp?PublName=Vestlandske&aar=1&?sp=1&ep=177&pn=119 These vessel are fairly heat resistant as they are tempered with asbestos or soap-stone material. This means they will dispach heat evenly to the content over a long period after being heated. So here's the rub: these vessels, like most ceramics found from the period, are usually fairly small. Apparently cooking pots normally held between 4-8 litres. These bucket-shaped ones in her material range from 0.8 litres to 17 litres, with an average of 1.5 litres. To me this sounds like most of them are too small to dye much in - but then I've never really done much yarn dyeing. So, to the point of my long and winding question: does anybody have any thoughts about or, even better, references to any of the following: - Would these vessels be too small to dye in, or is it likely that they could have been used because larger vessels just weren't that normal? - Any books or serious websites that go into techniques and materials used for dyeing specifically for this period? - There are examples from the period of textiles that would have been yarn dyed, for example the tablet-woven bands from Evebø, Høgom and Snartemo finds. At Snartemo the bands are woven from horsehair (tail hair) which was dyed yellow, white (probably undyed?), red and blue. What dyestuffs would have been used? I would guess weld, madder or kermes, and woad. Does that sound likely? The reason why I ask is that these are all dyestuffs that would require some sort of heating in a Scandinavian climate, which might rule out wooden vessels for dyeing. I suppose you could set a woad fermentation vat without any additional heat, but it might be difficult to get it to work properly. So I guess the question would actually be: does anybody know of dyestuffs that would give these colours _without_ the addition of heat? Um, I think that's all I can think of right now. It's potentially a huge, complex question, I know, but if anybody could point me to any sources or share their own experiences I'd be grateful. :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 10:34:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MEYSN0001421 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:34:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MEYGOD025795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:34:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MEXNHY089644; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:33:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MEXLWv038915; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:33:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.160]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MEXH1t038795 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.17]) by bay0-omc2-s24.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:33:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:33:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:33:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <4601d640.e4.5a4b.798088236@netspeed.com.au> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:33:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:33:08 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2007 14:33:12.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[050E87F0:01C76C8F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af6ef16b-52db-49aa-b1ef-d33011fa1148 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460293E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Aylwen, since I draft most of my own patterns, I am always looking to other's yardage recommendations. I use the Internet for this all the time. Reconstructing History has a great spectrum of patterns to look at. Here is a Man's "Musketeer Cloak" http://tinyurl.com/24cgke It recommends 5 yards. Used to be you could see the back of the pattern on some of these sites....having a little difficulty at the moment finding one. http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/patterns.htm This one for instance has a mantle for which she recommends 2.5 yards at 45" That is pretty skimpy. I can't recommend the patterns themselves, as I've not used them, but the yardage requirements seem to work fairly well. I am sure if you wrote Kass, she would tell you though. Here is one for a Moroccan Bernoose. http://www.folkwear.com/caravan.html (Follow the link to the yardage requirement) It has a shorter version too. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? > Hi, I'm distant from my books and patterns right now and > need to work out the yardage required to make a full short > cloak out of narrow velveteen. What would you recommend? The > cloak needs to go to the hip on a med/large guy. > > Many thanks, Aylwen > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 10:40:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MEeWLp001644 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:40:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MEeIwZ029122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:40:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MEdtB5090524; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MEdqws045542; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MEdlUl045377 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:39:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4b.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.5]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JFB0026J7DWHOK0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.213] (Forwarded-For: 199.20.68.40, [10.240.3.213]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:39:32 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:39:32 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: dye vessels... In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <200703220710.l2M79vaS024594@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff67b4b3-a402-4847-9d11-c816a0edecf0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46029552.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Katheryne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 11:33:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MFXFai003529 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:33:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MFWuwS024546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:33:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MFW4vN001524; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:32:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MFVtTE002642; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MA0r5I031239 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:00:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A2151466069E; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:53:25 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 03:01:01 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c76c68$ff3bdba0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eee28822-18d6-4b2c-89d3-8356150da78b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4602A1A8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I wonder if it (shoulder string) was something they did for children's clothing, to allow for growth. She appears to be a young woman, could = still be growing? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion on 3/21/07 3:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > For 3 & 3/4 yd of 45" wide fabric, particularly in dark gold silk = noil, > consider this: >=20 > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/g/gentiles/orazio/luteplay.html >=20 > I once did this out of two wool scraps that totaled about 2 1/2 yards = (OK, > they were 60 inches wide, but you've got much more than that). A = bonus: > cheap spun silks, similar to noil, would have been used for = non-wealthy > Italians in this period. And there's your color documented for you = right > in that painting. I have never noticed the arm/shoulder treatment in that dress before. = How does it work, exactly? And why is it like that? It looks as if the front = of the bodice has a shoulder strap that connects to a string or cord of = some kind attached to the back of the dress. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 11:59:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MFxXuB004379 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:59:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MFxINh009832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:59:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MFwekM008383; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:58:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MFw78V035334; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MFvukn034987 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAN9EAkbUSnIvk2dsb2JhbACPJQEBAQEHDgcGHQ Received: from 212-139-69-205.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([212.139.69.205]:1240 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HUPfX-000KXc-Bz for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:57:39 +0000 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070322155619.03660120@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:57:39 +0000 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: robin's suggestion In-Reply-To: <002001c76c68$ff3bdba0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <002001c76c68$ff3bdba0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f05f1f8-4fbd-4d27-97f3-b9df9d895a50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4602A7D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 10:01 22/03/2007, you wrote: >I wonder if it (shoulder string) was something they did for children's >clothing, to allow for growth. She appears to be a young woman, could still >be growing? >This is similar to tying the straps of a corset to the front of the >bodice. Any reason why this should not perform a similar job? She >seems to have a fairly stiff bodice on. Suzi >on 3/21/07 3:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com at >h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > > For 3 & 3/4 yd of 45" wide fabric, particularly in dark gold silk noil, > > consider this: > > > > http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/g/gentiles/orazio/luteplay.html > > > > I once did this out of two wool scraps that totaled about 2 1/2 yards (OK, > > they were 60 inches wide, but you've got much more than that). A bonus: > > cheap spun silks, similar to noil, would have been used for non-wealthy > > Italians in this period. And there's your color documented for you right > > in that painting. > >I have never noticed the arm/shoulder treatment in that dress before. How >does it work, exactly? And why is it like that? It looks as if the front of >the bodice has a shoulder strap that connects to a string or cord of some >kind attached to the back of the dress. > >Gail Finke > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 13:04:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MH4bB6006459 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:04:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MH4NsY019703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:04:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MH3CVJ020399; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MH2knb006527; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MH2Xa6006314 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.220.231]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JFB007G3DZPNVX3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:02:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:02:10 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <001e01c76ca3$d67688b0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <010201c76b80$75984d90$e1d4f5dc@user4712b7d135> <004701c76bf3$345d1950$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <019f01c76c51$154199c0$06f0f4dc@user4712b7d135> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e88a70bc-37a7-49fa-a33f-8c610e87e5af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4602B717.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's beyond a typo. It's the "Greverade Altarpiece" by Memling. The same dress also appears in a "Crucifixion" by Memling. Both are at the Web Gallery of Art. -Helen/Aidan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] minimum yardage for 14/15th century kirtle > >> Look at "The Seven Sacraments" and a "Deposition" by Jan van Eyck and the >> Gravende altarpiece by Hans Memlng. This dress is in there, seams >> visible. >> Good luck with the project, >> -Helen/Aidan > I looked at the Web Gallery of Art and found those first two titles by > Rogier van der Weyden was that a typo in your post or have I missed > something with the same titles by van Eyck? > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 14:19:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MIJjmE009423 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:19:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MIJWXj018351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:19:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MIIr9w034809; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:18:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MIIhgl089851; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2MIIYBK089591 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:18:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200703221818.l2MIIYBK089591@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Mar 2007 18:18:26 -0000 Received: from e176006163.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [85.176.6.163] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 22 Mar 2007 19:18:26 +0100 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Z4e4meZjZEYzWENXndGXxqvogghmPrH/0+qrpqY 9pMdzS1FYmH81G X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:18:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cceb7bd9-c229-4d4f-bc19-c3b2b376a60d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4602C8B4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Ingrid, from what I recall, in earlier periods many=20 fabrics were yarn-dyed in small pots, because it=20 needs less wood for the fire and you can "get" more out of the color stuff. In excavations from the late anglo-saxon era,=20 they found traces of madder, woad, weld and a=20 kind of orseille and genista tincoria (I don=B4t=20 know what it=B4s in English, sorry). Norwegian textile fragments dated to 100 to 500=20 were dyed with moss, heather and different kinds of tree barch, also woad. I find Helmut Schweppe=B4s book on natural dyes the=20 best book on the topic. It=B4s "Handbuch der=20 Naturfarbstoffe" in German, but maybe there is an=20 English translation already. In the bibliography,=20 there are some research papers on dying in=20 archeology by A.R. Hall and P. Walton. Maybe your=20 friend can get her hands on these? Hope this helps, Hanna At 22:25 21.03.2007, you wrote: >Hi, all! I have a question that's tangentially relevant to natural >dyeing of textiles in the period from 350-575 AD. I know there are many >consummate dyers on the list, so maybe somebody here will know! > >A friend of mine is writing her Master's thesis on ceramic vessels in >Norway in the period mentioned, and she has a theory that some of them >may have been used to dye small amounts of thread or other textile >matter. Specifically for this she's looking at bucket-shaped pottery, >probably earthenware burned at temperatures between 650-800 degrees >Celsius. An illustration can be found here, it's the one at the bottom >right: >http://www.ub.uib.no/asp/elpub.asp?PublName=3DVestlandske&aar=3D1&?sp=3D1&e= p=3D177&pn=3D119 >These vessel are fairly heat resistant as they are tempered with >asbestos or soap-stone material. This means they will dispach heat >evenly to the content over a long period after being heated. > >So here's the rub: these vessels, like most ceramics found from the >period, are usually fairly small. Apparently cooking pots normally held >between 4-8 litres. These bucket-shaped ones in her material range from >0.8 litres to 17 litres, with an average of 1.5 litres. To me this >sounds like most of them are too small to dye much in - but then I've >never really done much yarn dyeing. > >So, to the point of my long and winding question: does anybody have any >thoughts about or, even better, references to any of the following: > >- Would these vessels be too small to dye in, or is it likely that they > could have been used because larger vessels just weren't that normal? > >- Any books or serious websites that go into techniques and materials > used for dyeing specifically for this period? > >- There are examples from the period of textiles that would have been > yarn dyed, for example the tablet-woven bands from Eveb=F8, H=F8gom and > Snartemo finds. At Snartemo the bands are woven from horsehair (tail > hair) which was dyed yellow, white (probably undyed?), red and blue. > What dyestuffs would have been used? I would guess weld, madder or > kermes, and woad. Does that sound likely? The reason why I ask is that > these are all dyestuffs that would require some sort of heating in a > Scandinavian climate, which might rule out wooden vessels for dyeing. > I suppose you could set a woad fermentation vat without any additional > heat, but it might be difficult to get it to work properly. So I guess > the question would actually be: does anybody know of dyestuffs that > would give these colours _without_ the addition of heat? > >Um, I think that's all I can think of right now. It's potentially a >huge, complex question, I know, but if anybody could point me to any >sources or share their own experiences I'd be grateful. :) > >Ingrid > >-- >This email has been scanned for viruses & spam=20 >by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no >Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av=20 >Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 16:06:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MK6VXR013442 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:06:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MK6Dk7009126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:06:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MK3qMj054552; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:03:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MK3ibg001277; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MK3dGu001109 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YukI8YVdNo4PhxfA4jO4WpZDzNMewseI3MSHtO538G7TkfjMl8OUlivxh0D+9JPu; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.53.171.226] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HUTVW-0007pO-5j for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:03:34 -0400 Message-ID: <410-2200734222033578@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Has anyone used these patterns before? Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Saragrace Knauf > To: Historical Costume > Date: 3/22/2007 7:33:07 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? > > Hi Aylwen, since I draft most of my own patterns, I am always looking to > other's yardage recommendations. I use the Internet for this all the time. > Reconstructing History has a great spectrum of patterns to look at. > > Here is a Man's "Musketeer Cloak" > > http://tinyurl.com/24cgke > > It recommends 5 yards. Used to be you could see the back of the pattern on > some of these sites....having a little difficulty at the moment finding one. > > http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/patterns.htm > > This one for instance has a mantle for which she recommends 2.5 yards at 45" > That is pretty skimpy. > > I can't recommend the patterns themselves, as I've not used them, but the > yardage requirements seem to work fairly well. I am sure if you wrote Kass, > she would tell you though. > > > Here is one for a Moroccan Bernoose. http://www.folkwear.com/caravan.html > (Follow the link to the yardage requirement) It has a shorter version too. > > Sg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:05 PM > Subject: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? > > > > Hi, I'm distant from my books and patterns right now and > > need to work out the yardage required to make a full short > > cloak out of narrow velveteen. What would you recommend? The > > cloak needs to go to the hip on a med/large guy. > > > > Many thanks, Aylwen > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 16:36:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MKaHGP014541 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:36:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MKa3LW020751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:36:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MKZRp2060856; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:35:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MKZM9k035263; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MKZGWu035010 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070322203506.SOZI14723.fep31.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:35:06 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.9]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070322203506.LLDS14819.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:35:06 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c76cc1$936adad0$0914a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:35:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.9] at Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:34:58 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many rep=31% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] rich man X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78f324fb-68f8-4220-8b56-47b7243e4331 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4602E8B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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In-reply-to: <4601d640.e4.5a4b.798088236@netspeed.com.au> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4602F520.3090601@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <4601d640.e4.5a4b.798088236@netspeed.com.au> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84dc51f5-684d-4e40-8ae1-747ac417a930 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4602F5C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: >Hi, I'm distant from my books and patterns right now and >need to work out the yardage required to make a full short >cloak out of narrow velveteen. What would you recommend? The >cloak needs to go to the hip on a med/large guy. > > Well, it depends on exactly how long you want the cloak, and exactly how narrow your fabric is. Assuming that you are going to cut with care but not engage in too much piecing: For a nearly 180cm circle (unhemmed) from 90cm wide fabric, you could get it out of 3.5m. (That doesn't sound like much, but it's mid-thigh length on my 165cm self and may be enough.) For a nearly 230cm circle from 115cm wide, you would need about 4.4m. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 1:00 PM -0600 3/22/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > I also have done a small woad vat in a clay container--moving it is >> the real challenge...not a problem in ancient cultures! > >Thanks for your answer! How large were these clay vessels, and how much >textile were you able to dye in them? > >Ingrid Um about 4 gallons to 10ish gallons...we did skeins and small sample bits as it was for a demo. We could have done bigger bits of cloth. Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 19:16:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MNG63o019759 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:16:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MNFn0K004220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:15:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MNF83G086945; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:15:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MNF1hN098668; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MNEwZF098617 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so897362ugc for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:14:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Upo2avnU6WIoslJ8Anynk/RxA/rU89ucKDYWJ/pac9wQF6cRAK9ZBLugnlkhb8caWEA80+h+fImIdn/v09e1dL3Jcrz+WHRo0dYkqAW13m7xMZ5zHXFiqd8mxr1ktHcqosfEslRa1nvXdGneBEFMH4L8SJXdj7xYA1ss0Pqvc+4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oME0l1iazHfudsVhEiOJq7Dfyy/NIzeZEYZ6WZIvzsodrrPIh2SzSFSLquFsOoTf8CPWYwJotJDfO+UYIYkdkUAfB0HppLAzKfQPEjpjJT+020RxGoSYRMb241k0arqJJ2UY2Tg8M6wnH4ZszZHCTxh8r8haF9fXd2TOAKktyN4= Received: by 10.114.80.4 with SMTP id d4mr822536wab.1174605296914; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.60.5 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0703221614p30b5c1d9qaa9b31f44a580c27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:14:56 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" , GBACGcostumers@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Website "Chronicling America" through historic newspapers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6e0e936-0cc7-438f-b679-167cd5eaf68d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46030E25.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry for the cross-post. I got this from one of the government info websites today. This website could make it easier to research American history in different parts of the country, for example how New York CIty helped with disaster relief after the San Francisco earthquake of 1906. NEH WEBSITE OFFERS NEWSPAPER ARCHIVE TO HISTORIANS The National Endowment for the Humanities and Library of Congress have launched a website, 'Chronicling America: Historic American Newspapers', that contains more than 226,000 pages of newspapers from California, Florida, Kentucky, New York, Utah, Virginia, and the District of Columbia published between 1900 and 1910. The link to the complete NEH announcement is: http://www.neh.gov/news/archive/20070321.html This announcement goes on to say, "Ultimately, over a period of approximately 20 years, NDNP will create a national, digital resource of historically significant newspapers from all the states and U.S. territories published between 1836 and 1922. Also on the Web site, an accompanying national newspaper directory of bibliographic and holdings information directs users to newspaper titles in all types of formats." I think this is pretty exciting, not just for costume research - think of all the photos of regular people! - but of what exactly was going on all over the country during these exciting times and the opinions from elsewhere. I can't wait to hear what the people in Kentucky thought of the Gold Rush, or the Californians of Colorado Gold Rush. LynnD The History Geek _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 19:23:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MNNXki019987 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:23:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2MNNL0S008126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:23:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MNMwwS087957; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:22:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MNMvrt005333; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2MNMrqb005265 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.206.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.206]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HUWcL-0003sM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:22:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <410-2200734222033578@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200734222033578@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3C9A4F4A-5711-479C-A0F8-F156FCEFA158@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:23:32 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=18% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82490a8f-39b3-4a37-9f07-e5864c1a7498 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46030FE9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've used the burnoose pattern--it works beautifully, if what you're looking for is a burnoose (which I was!). --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Mar 22, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Silvara wrote: > Has anyone used these patterns before? > > Silvara > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Saragrace Knauf >> To: Historical Costume >> Date: 3/22/2007 7:33:07 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? >> >> Hi Aylwen, since I draft most of my own patterns, I am always >> looking to >> other's yardage recommendations. I use the Internet for this all the > time. >> Reconstructing History has a great spectrum of patterns to look at. >> >> Here is a Man's "Musketeer Cloak" >> >> http://tinyurl.com/24cgke >> >> It recommends 5 yards. Used to be you could see the back of the >> pattern > on >> some of these sites....having a little difficulty at the moment >> finding > one. >> >> http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/patterns.htm >> >> This one for instance has a mantle for which she recommends 2.5 >> yards at > 45" >> That is pretty skimpy. >> >> I can't recommend the patterns themselves, as I've not used them, >> but the >> yardage requirements seem to work fairly well. I am sure if you >> wrote > Kass, >> she would tell you though. >> >> >> Here is one for a Moroccan Bernoose. http://www.folkwear.com/ >> caravan.html >> (Follow the link to the yardage requirement) It has a shorter >> version > too. >> >> Sg >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 6:05 PM >> Subject: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? >> >> >>> Hi, I'm distant from my books and patterns right now and >>> need to work out the yardage required to make a full short >>> cloak out of narrow velveteen. What would you recommend? The >>> cloak needs to go to the hip on a med/large guy. >>> >>> Many thanks, Aylwen >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 21:55:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2N1tI7f024349 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:55:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2N1t57I002386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:55:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2N1sCFG007611; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:54:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2N1s9M3022167; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2N1s5AT022108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:54:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2N24nTb025818 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:04:50 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] rich man Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:03:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <000501c76cc1$936adad0$0914a150@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <000501c76cc1$936adad0$0914a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703222103.02982.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3524a309-a207-4d52-9ab4-6d959d4a606a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46033379.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thursday 22 March 2007 4:35 pm, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > If i were a rich man: > http://tinyurl.com/3888jm Oh, my yes. I can find plenty to envy on this page too. *Real* silk velvet...and brocades to die for. -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." -- Woody Allen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 22 22:09:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2N290dd024689 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:09:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2N28mXG010240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:08:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2N28MSo009451; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:08:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2N28Lsl031966; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:08:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2N28Ish031927 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m220.in-tch.com [216.166.191.220]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l2N1sL212137 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:54:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <000c01c76cf1$63d6fb20$dcbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c76cc1$936adad0$0914a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] rich man Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:17:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 24bd18ab-127a-4d33-97ff-bd8c015e34d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460336B0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I think I'm in love....! --Sue, craving the blue/yellow lampas weave....only $240/yd..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:35 PM Subject: [h-cost] rich man > If i were a rich man: > http://tinyurl.com/3888jm > > Sigh droll droll > > Bjarne > > > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 23 10:01:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2NE1XY1009785 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:01:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2NE1LWQ012048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:01:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2NE0l9J008094; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:00:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2NE0gAi057538; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:00:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.218]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2NE0bTk057359 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:00:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.13]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:00:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:00:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:00:27 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410-2200734222033578@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:00:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:00:31 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Mar 2007 14:00:32.0123 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F0904B0:01C76D53] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Have you used these patterns? Was: yardage for short cloak? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 378160f6-6f78-47df-b343-826233714e7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4603DDB1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not sure which patterns you mean, but I have used the Folkwear ones many many years ago, and found them to be fairly true to size. I like them overall. A friend of mine recently made one of their oriental jackets up and was very pleased with the results. Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? > Has anyone used these patterns before? > > Silvara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 23 12:17:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2NGHjHj014401 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:17:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2NGHWan001411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:17:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2NGGELb030197; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:16:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2NGG7dG098447; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2NGG1rk098245 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: (qmail 35871 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2007 16:15:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.105?) 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Susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 04:04:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2O84Nkm005739 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 04:04:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2O84BEq001443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 04:04:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2O837lb053445; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:03:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2O82xMG072258; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:02:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2O82upq072166 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 02:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=I8XzKIEiivxoBpNmPVwznbPo6lvU+DfMwfSzybxRYd6bY57SSUa04v7IWjKPpLhB; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [71.53.171.226] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HV1D8-0007yK-KZ for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 04:02:50 -0400 Message-ID: <410-220073624825293@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you used these patterns? Was: yardage for short cloak? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 01:02:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7965bba7f1439ee0b3eea66cdacf76a78c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.53.171.226 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f154e60e-60a6-43e4-8fd6-66e93bee32ad X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4604DB7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 04:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, the link was trimmed off the post.... the saffron shirt from the Scottish site. Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Saragrace Knauf > To: Historical Costume > Date: 3/23/2007 7:00:27 AM > Subject: [h-cost] Have you used these patterns? Was: yardage for short cloak? > > Not sure which patterns you mean, but I have used the Folkwear ones many > many years ago, and found them to be fairly true to size. I like them > overall. A friend of mine recently made one of their oriental jackets up > and was very pleased with the results. > > Sg > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Silvara" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? > > > > Has anyone used these patterns before? > > > > Silvara > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 10:04:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OE4SOo018969 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:04:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2OE4FC1010560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:04:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OE3kfk097975; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:03:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OE3f4e000545; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:03:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OE3cEa000465 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.11]) by bay0-omc3-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:03:32 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:03:32 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:03:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <410-220073624825293@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Have you used these patterns? Was: yardage for shortcloak? Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:03:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:03:34 -0700 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2007 14:03:32.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[353CC330:01C76E1D] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59d543d3-d2e1-4c13-98cd-c59e3b5fc895 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46052FDF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Those are the Kass McGann Reconstructing History patterns. http://www.reconstructinghistory.com/ I've not used them myself. I have heard that the sizing map be off on some of them, but that is not first hand knowledge. But in most period stuff you need to do a mockup anyway.... Sg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:02 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Have you used these patterns? Was: yardage for shortcloak? > Oh, the link was trimmed off the post.... > the saffron shirt from the Scottish site. > > Silvara > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Saragrace Knauf > > To: Historical Costume > > Date: 3/23/2007 7:00:27 AM > > Subject: [h-cost] Have you used these patterns? Was: yardage for short > cloak? > > > > Not sure which patterns you mean, but I have used the Folkwear ones many > > many years ago, and found them to be fairly true to size. I like them > > overall. A friend of mine recently made one of their oriental jackets > > up > > and was very pleased with the results. > > > > Sg > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Silvara" > > To: "Historical Costume" > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] yardage for short cloak? > > > > > > > Has anyone used these patterns before? > > > > > > Silvara > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 12:57:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OGvYw6024670 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:57:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2OGvMX4032021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:57:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OGtaso024170; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OGtXpv026103; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OGtTQv026017 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070324165525.PZCL877.fep34.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:55:25 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.149]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070324165525.MOXG19265.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:55:25 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c76e35$41033600$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:55:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.149] at Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:55:23 +0100 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=26% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fe17b8f-07fb-458c-9b8d-23b336c07d46 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46055872.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Today i received a lovely cd with professionally taken pictures of Henriette wearing my anglaise dress. And i wanted to share with you. She looks so nice in it! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 14:32:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OIWWKA027429 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:32:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2OIWKsp029498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:32:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OIVa37036702; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OIVWKM091809; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OIVSw2091676 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id 6.d17.9bf0ccf (60434) for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WEBMAIL-MA07 (webmail-ma07.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.71]) by ciaaol-d01.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD013-ec1246056e74287; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:31:16 -0400 References: <001001c76e35$41033600$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:31:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <001001c76e35$41033600$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: chindora@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 24126 Received: from 66.177.236.38 by WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.71) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:31:16 -0400 Message-Id: <8C93C59BE553845-234-2496@WEBMAIL-MA07.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.88.71 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfe077a1-6d87-415c-bb59-dbc92ab35e2b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46056EB4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The last one is my favourite! I can just imagine her being gracefully swept around on a grand ballroom floor, the candles and crystal chandeliers softly glowing... :) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: drewscph@post12.tele.dk To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:55 PM Subject: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. Today i received a lovely cd with professionally taken pictures of Henriette wearing my anglaise dress. And i wanted to share with you. She looks so nice in it! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 14:47:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OIlYWq027915 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:47:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2OIlLIb014578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:47:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OIks6I038236; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OIkrGr001335; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:46:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OIko9J001298 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:46:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.106.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.106]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HVBGL-0005E9-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:46:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <001001c76e35$41033600$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <001001c76e35$41033600$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6EC1E454-28C4-4343-952E-97B102F53E78@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:47:33 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=88% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6ef2e65-8798-438d-8d34-5e14647de61e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46057239.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne, the photos are absolutely enchanting. Your beautiful work is being worn to perfection! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Mar 24, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Today i received a lovely cd with professionally taken pictures of > Henriette wearing my anglaise dress. And i wanted to share with > you. She looks so nice in it! > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 15:26:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJQw1x029038 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:26:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2OJQkGa000433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:26:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJQIEq045306; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJQG2k030223; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:26:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2OJQBnD030080 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:26:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95620 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Mar 2007 19:26:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jx3NwSkyVT9dwPwUtkjXVDC9042d8hveKmIc3sdzFdtGWGEzlofut8fyJT2f4Z19PvgaYKtOZ/papA6MOmwgcq/Rj5tjVOZcwfxME77YPJsXR05DVipPSps3LL65EOV21Ez6cSidOzqiJKoEmmeHL0fWYQK8Sj5962J0vvjZF/4=; X-YMail-OSG: KqsyuQkVM1lMsmRAOmI7mMyO9L3ya8e6rEkgBJJoEgq5e0pMdagu5fIwtoh4Nv4cjCaEr18w2vbCl6EKWJ3LqbMRf8Mix80l0QXyyZOGiPK82aLtZ2uWdS7XBPjon65OcjXah1mg_kM8RNrIe2eP2qEcKg-- Received: from [74.61.133.176] by web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:26:06 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:26:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200703241900.l2OJ03MO010097@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <463785.93787.qm@web35605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: photographer photos of the anglaise dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57928f03-6e25-4add-b3c7-c799b0b9f6f6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46057B76.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Gorgeous! And so nice to finally see it on a real person. I'm happy that you finally got some pictures of it being worn. Annette T Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:55:38 +0100 From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. Today i received a lovely cd with professionally taken pictures of Henriette wearing my anglaise dress. And i wanted to share with you. She looks so nice in it! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm Bjarne --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 15:42:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJgK9x029508 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:42:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2OJg8nF031113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:42:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJfawL049848; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJfXmD046780; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OHE5Zd039946 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sclark935@austin.rr.com) Received: from Main (cpe-66-68-188-221.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.188.221]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2OHE4vm012940 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:14:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008f01c76e37$d2f1ff40$ddbc4442@Main> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001001c76e35$41033600$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:14:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=38% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0dd2cb52-a336-4417-b5b2-86323ba930a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46057F10.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What can I do but repeat myself; Bjarne, your work is absolutely incredible! This dress is just gorgeous! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. > Today i received a lovely cd with professionally taken pictures of > Henriette wearing my anglaise dress. And i wanted to share with you. She > looks so nice in it! > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 15:49:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJnGR5029729 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:49:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2OJn1nk002854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:49:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJhZGt050557; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:43:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJhYJa048954; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OJhUhP048886 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:43:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.220.231]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JFF00C84AQ1EMZ2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:43:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:41:47 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <008c01c76e4c$80810f20$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c76e35$41033600$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6565c1dd-bc3e-4028-abd4-069b4b41cea0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460580AD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks for posting the pictures. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 16:04:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OK3skc030237 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:03:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2OK3g7I010888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:03:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OK3C3w054298; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OK3BTQ065360; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OK38pP065290 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:03:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A23910A7058C; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:55:37 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:03:19 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c76e4f$78374bb0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <001001c76e35$41033600$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e3b7348-ac1a-4c0e-a158-e5c022b2948e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4605841E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It looks even better on a person. Absolutely gorgeous! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 9:56 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. Today i received a lovely cd with professionally taken pictures of = Henriette wearing my anglaise dress. And i wanted to share with you. She looks so = nice in it! http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 17:10:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OL9up3032075 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:10:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2OL9ixc029680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:09:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OL9Hdv065382; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:09:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OL9EPD010277; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:09:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2OL9AfI010208 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070324210900.WVVI29208.fep33.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:09:00 +0100 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.149]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070324210859.MPGF16179.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:08:59 +0100 Message-ID: <009201c76e58$abe75370$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:09:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.20.149] at Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:08:58 +0100 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=29% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] photographer photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d345449-f6a3-4a1f-8b6d-274b6d37f5c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46059398.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 24 23:06:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2P36WAi009634 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:06:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2P36JPm022617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:06:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2P35mRY002785; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:05:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2P35iLL095660; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2P35ejB095609 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id 6.d0c.bfdfa97 (52347) for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d08.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD089-cc7b4605e6f81b7; Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:05:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <009201c76e58$abe75370$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <009201c76e58$abe75370$9514a150@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <1e8364079587be814ae4957f05b82389@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] photographer photos Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:05:27 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 876244e4-eb7e-4826-89a0-ff89a6ad581f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4605E72B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I can only reiterate what others have said: Gorgeous! Thanks for sharing all the photos. Susan On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Hi all, > I thank you very much for your lovely responses. I am very happy, its > very rare when you get such extraordinary good pictures of the > costumes you make. Henriette really surprised me with these. > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 26 09:59:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QDxEsR013305 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:59:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2QDx1EQ018520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:59:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QDwUg9069170; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:58:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QDwO2D027328; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:58:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QDvxw9027035 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sonja@louisiana.edu) Received: from pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.229]) by marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/ull-ucs-mx-host_1.9a) with ESMTP id l2QDvsTW000565 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:57:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from louisiana.edu (skr5996@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/ull-ucs-client_1.7) with ESMTP id l2QDvsew027577 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:57:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sonja (LS-LAMP)" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:57:54 -0500 Message-Id: <20070326135112.M98533@louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <200703251900.l2PJ0LVO098843@net.indra.com> References: <200703251900.l2PJ0LVO098843@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060831 X-OriginatingIP: 130.70.141.184 (skr5996) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] photographer photos-drewscostumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22bc8675-6b5f-41fc-af35-f948737100c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4607D1A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, my!  Just lovely.  Henriette looks as though she lived in your dress.  I feel quite lucky to have seen the progress of your work. ---------- Original Message ----------- > > Today i received a lovely cd with professionally taken pictures of Henriette > > wearing my anglaise dress. And i wanted to share with you. She looks so nice > > in it! > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/anglaise2.htm > > Bjarne > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Mar 26 14:52:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QIqCnX025672 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:52:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2QIpxZr032326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:52:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QIpCA6066777; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:51:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QIp0Cw065218; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:51:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2QIocUB064762 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:50:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so1827386ugc for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:50:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lBRUQDM0+kJJhFjWVSk7HCUlarRh7eZezWBRlfHM55DXz3tNCtZYIoyxUg31A0v8JzCcDBtdRyuUtVS1e90iZ6fEeTH1BxYGLMxtK/6gRwdaziYsYaxTM036SvvuYRPkBIj6oTDSFZfamGHw404CVMZJAooYwgiZcFfQ7D4gVwY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GNR8orwqpH2YeLoPEQQXJnuozeQ5u/HPHiaisAWVl+VTVge57so3/afmQxx2blecsw1HrQ3q6nKSg8dEpE5oUKgVphFVrJP4GNPYwCL9JnUehZehybjIBAoXQqZNh9Zc9FIdDxXOHguxXRc1CUHtzGSk8tE3gDzLUWP0gXo6vHY= Received: by 10.114.155.1 with SMTP id c1mr2782623wae.1174935025030; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.131.18 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:50:24 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re: [h-cost] photographer photos of the anglaise dress. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06db4da4-12d5-4e93-b08b-47cf4c1e5c04 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4608164F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bravo! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 27 00:44:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2R4iZAd009037 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:44:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2R4iMCW032545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 00:44:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2R4gJ1w092473; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2R4gFu2058586; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2R4gCJi058545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l2R4gBfX017960; Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:42:12 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Tudortailor" , "H-Costume" Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:41:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Henry VIII Dress Book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b0b42cc-35d0-4eae-870a-e8ddb76cb175 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4608A126.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey ...whatever you've done, whatever you've been, is all, totally, one hundred percent, your own fault. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 27 09:22:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RDMN9p019188 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:22:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2RDMAtJ022026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:22:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RDK0sf056509; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:20:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RDJt1o058646; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:19:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RDJoqL058534 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:19:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JFK001TYD0HD200@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:19:27 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Henry VIII Dress Book In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: babad14e-a2ab-406b-95e6-27539e7755a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46091A82.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Speaking of books... someone here mentioned the possibility of a male version of the Eleonora of Toledo book... anyone know more? Thanks- Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Wanda Pease Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 1:42 AM To: Tudortailor; H-Costume Subject: [h-cost] New Henry VIII Dress Book David Brown Book Company is enticing those of us that the marketing director knows are addicted to well researched costume and history books. They expect to be bringing a hard back and paperback version of Howard's new Dress at the Court of Henry VIII out in October. Watch this space for more details. Only thing I know now is this puppy is not a "costume book" but an academic one more on the order of Queen Elizabeth's Closet. I.e. it isn't going to be cheap. Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey ...whatever you've done, whatever you've been, is all, totally, one hundred percent, your own fault. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 27 11:16:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RFGn7V021250 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:16:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2RFGa7c004430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:16:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RFEZuN079773; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RFESA8073469; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ws13.dnshub.net (ws13.dnshub.net [65.99.236.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RFELCY073367 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:14:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 17368 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2007 10:14:21 -0500 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 17356, pid: 17363, t: 0.3251s scanners: clamav: 0.88.5/m:42/d:2939 Received: from spc1-port2-0-0-cust34.cosh.broadband.ntl.com (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Absolutely lovely Bjarne, thanks for sharing the pictures. > all the best Joy Shillaker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 27 16:07:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RK7V1j027551 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:07:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2RK7IgA028038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:07:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RK5NXl034424; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:05:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RK5BiM070769; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:05:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RK57g2070613 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:05:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.21]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070327200501.SXMU4530.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:05:01 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.21]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070327200501.EHPZ6240.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:05:01 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:04:51 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Henry VIII Dress Book In-Reply-To: <200703271900.l2RJ0SAO007779@net.indra.com> References: <200703271900.l2RJ0SAO007779@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20070327200501.EHPZ6240.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72c20e3f-2a90-460b-aa3b-acd0a8f72f77 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46097976.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've been monitoring this closely also. Prices=20 are now up on the publisher's webpages http://www.maney.co.uk/search?fwaction=3Dshow&fwid=3D649 They are saying September at =A3118.00/US$228.00=20 for hardcover and =A348.00/US$96.00 for paperback. for Hayward's book. 488 pages with ca 172 black and white=20 illustrations plus 25 colour illustrations Beth >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:41:39 -0800 >From: "Wanda Pease" > >David Brown Book Company is enticing those of us that the marketing= director >knows are addicted to well researched costume and history books. >They expect to be bringing a hard back and paperback version of Howard's= new >Dress at the Court of Henry VIII out in October. Watch this space for more >details. Only thing I know now is this puppy is not a "costume book" but= an >academic one more on the order of Queen Elizabeth's Closet. I.e. it isn't >going to be cheap. > > >Wanda Pease/Regina Romsey _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 27 18:53:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RMrFow030582 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:53:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2RMr30G029371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RMorse060808; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:50:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RMolum021035; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web57007.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web57007.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.97.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2RMoi44020918 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:50:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rosenau5@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 32163 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2007 22:50:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NdcnAbEU9gINnfeXjk0orSo/mq6Tf5J23Es4VpxtjB8QAzCt5YhIzwet8cQaNG/pTp/jf3IG8EA0xCq4i14bqeTwWAdGv7yA9kAlJB3nfpzs4mncErRN+q+0QppEXkntAAFYuMnPBcdkgPO0EY/yQ/GyKXllT8xE9lluUHzr3iA=; X-YMail-OSG: 8zdCTEAVM1nD_XmfIq8XuHUZ4fS5ySEQrnOH7AQf2DZ2C85SaYNkOfBNxi0TQ5BfSA-- Received: from [63.250.65.72] by web57007.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:50:38 PDT Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:50:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Cascio Michael To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <540957.31885.qm@web57007.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Subject: [h-cost] Bronwen's Blackwork X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 445d3c99-5c4a-44e3-9889-a303fa75b142 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4609A04F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Could anyone who has copies of the blackwork patterns from the Bronwen's Blackwork link on Drea's Elizabethan Costuming page please contact me off-list. I lost my copy of the pattern I was going to use and I can't remember whether it was English, German or Italian. Bronwen has tried to help but it's one of those I'll know it when I see it situations. I think of it as the pattern below the pomegranate one in my own mind so you can see how that would make it hard to tell someone which one it is. I'll also be at CostumeCon in St. Louis later this week if someone could bring a copy. Cassandra ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. 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Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 27 19:33:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RNX6UD031243 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:33:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2RNWsjd008581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:32:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RNUpo0067220; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:30:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RNUliJ051621; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2RNUhrS051574 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A76018D4068C; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:23:12 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:31:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c770c7$fcbc2520$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Moda a firenze X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbe04333-c740-40cd-9363-38202dbb9a6d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4609A9A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Has anyone heard when these are coming? I pre-ordered, but seem to recall some people saying they had already received theirs? Sharon C. Young lovers seek perfection, Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches - "How To Make An American Quilt" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Mar 27 22:18:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2S2HvSH002451 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:17:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2S2Hin2001331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:17:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2S2G1DZ085730; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2S2FvT9060381; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:15:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2S2FrAl060235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-15-93.desm.qwest.net [75.162.15.93]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2S2FloF025361 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:15:48 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200703271900.l2RJ0NPI007683@net.indra.com> References: <200703271900.l2RJ0NPI007683@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:15:45 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2945/Tue Mar 27 17:58:50 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: books we want X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d2bfe35-b557-415a-8f51-b5d715f345e1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4609D049.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think it was a wish, not a reality. (I'm still waiting for delivery of the original! It says "on order" whenever I check.) We got something at work today about Chaucer and academic clothing... will post again after I've had a chance to handle it. ;-) Suzanne On Mar 27, 2007, at 2:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Speaking of books... someone here mentioned the possibility of a male > version of the Eleonora of Toledo book... anyone know more? > Thanks- > Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 07:37:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBbFDq014913 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:37:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SBb291013080 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:37:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBYuAJ055804; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBYoGk020506; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jade.aracnet.com (jade.aracnet.com [216.99.193.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2S0fYrR097663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:41:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wandap@hevanet.com) Received: from xena (216-99-218-31.dsl.aracnet.com [216.99.218.31]) (authenticated bits=0) by jade.aracnet.com (8.13.6/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l2S0fX7X013276 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:41:34 -0700 From: "Wanda Pease" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Moda a firenze Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:40:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000f01c770c7$fcbc2520$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5d5cb8e-d962-48ff-b5c3-12ec372a22e4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460A535E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > Has anyone heard when these are coming? I pre-ordered, but seem to recall > some people saying they had already received theirs? > Sharon C. > > > I think those who mentioned they had gotten their copies had actually gotten copies of the first printing. According to Ian Stevens of David Brown books, they are supposed to get their shipment on 1 April. Sounds like a bad day for something as important as this doesn't it? By the way, it was Mr. Stevens who mentioned that the museum was contemplating doing a male version (Cosimo maybe?). I told him that I wanted to be on the pre-order site and he must have chuckled into his morning coffee (I'm sure it is a nice but evil chuckle) because he wrote me back that I would definitely be on his list of suckers, er People to notify as soon as he had information. That charming evil chuckle is the reason I'm already on the pre-order list for the Howard - "Dress at the Court of Henry VIII" which isn't scheduled to come out until October (We wants it we does! Yessss My Presciousssss!) I just finished my Income Taxes... Yes, I know I'm a slug about such things. It's just that doing them causes my blood pressure to rise and anyone who knows me stay as far from the scene as possible. As the painful process continues I get more and more like a wounded wolverine in temperament. Even the cats huddle in fear under the bed - probably because that's where I put them and lock the door for their protection! At any rate the finished tax return which is significantly smaller than last year for some reason - (probably because I paid every penny I could into the tax exempt IRA account). However there is plenty there to put in the book buying frenzy account unless I spend it all going to Germany and Poland at the end of April beginning of May. Getting there is cheap! Staying there is definitely going to close down my expendable cash reserves! Wanda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 07:37:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBbL6m014920 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:37:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SBb8wM010431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:37:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBZW95055890; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBZWOg020989; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:35:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2S104GN009288 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29548 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:53:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:53:16 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Translation help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a19da7d-78dd-4097-aa9c-67b79131500d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460A5364.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, and where better to find it than here? I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the reader. The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up short, or would it make sense to you? "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 07:38:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBcRnD014945 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:38:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SBcFlh013808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:38:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBa4eZ056060; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:36:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBa4at021555; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:36:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5.stmo2.socket.net [216.106.26.209] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2S3Hddr005497 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BAC5D34BD6 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:17:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bronwen's Blackwork Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:17:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <540957.31885.qm@web57007.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae455109-b05a-4cd5-8bd8-ba85c38a37dd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460A53A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If it has pomegranites on it the it is more likely the Italian and most likely not German. De -----Original Message----- Could anyone who has copies of the blackwork patterns from the Bronwen's Blackwork link on Drea's Elizabethan Costuming page please contact me off-list. I lost my copy of the pattern I was going to use and I can't remember whether it was English, German or Italian. Bronwen has tried to help but it's one of those I'll know it when I see it situations. I think of it as the pattern below the pomegranate one in my own mind so you can see how that would make it hard to tell someone which one it is. I'll also be at CostumeCon in St. Louis later this week if someone could bring a copy. Cassandra _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 07:56:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBuSvG015526 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:56:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SBuGKs018975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:56:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBsGlJ058520; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBsFRh034053; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:54:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SBsATh033949 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 05:54:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAHP0CUbUSnIN/2dsb2JhbACCVzg Received: from [212.139.69.205] (port=1888 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWWj5-000FJ0-Ow for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:54:04 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070328124809.036d0270@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:53:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66a16c40-89cd-400b-8a18-a6203eec4e2a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460A57E0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 02:53 28/03/2007, you wrote: >I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, >and where better to find it than here? > >I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native >language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a >bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the >reader. > >The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, >handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring >true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks >"hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > >If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up >short, or would it make sense to you? > >"...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > >"...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > >Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, >because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." > >--Robin As far as I am aware, the word used more in "English" text, as opposed to "American" text, is "feel". However, I don't think it is precisely the same, in fabric terms, as "handle". Nor, to my mind, does "hand" which I did not come across until reading American comments on line. I may live a very sheltered life, but I do find terms do not necessarily mean the same in both countries. Does the writer mean the draping, or the texture? "Feel" = texture, handle = texture and draping, to my reading. Just my 2p's worth. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 09:17:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDHErM017970 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:17:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SDH1ZN013060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:17:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDEdIV069106; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:14:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDEa3E088424; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:14:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDEXGC088330 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (223.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.223]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20070328131427113003fuuse>; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:14:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c7713b$01948bf0$dfb04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:14:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b98c7669-0643-4cab-80f4-60c86a9e2c7c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460A6ACD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm not as well read as most on this list, but I think feel will mean more to the general reader. My poor benighted husband understands that term but not hand. Margaret > I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, > and where better to find it than here? > > I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native > language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a > bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the > reader. > > The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, > handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring > true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks > "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > > If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up > short, or would it make sense to you? > > "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, > because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 09:25:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDPffW019652 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:25:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SDPSvi007269 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:25:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDNqnp070709; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:23:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDNpmC094993; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:23:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDNm01094919 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter09.comcast.net ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070328132342m1500h06f5e>; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:23:42 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter09.comcast.net; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:23:42 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:23:42 +0000 Message-Id: <032820071323.6102.460A6C5E0004326C000017D622007614380809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 037f1bbd-59b2-45ff-ad61-887e2ca5e3c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460A6CC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'd love to help. But without the beginning of the sentence, I don't have enough context to decide. Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Robin Netherton > > I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, > and where better to find it than here? > > I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native > language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a > bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the > reader. > > The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, > handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring > true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks > "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > > If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up > short, or would it make sense to you? > > "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, > because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 09:30:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDUCY5020573 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:30:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SDTxWX027010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:30:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDRvCD071589; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDRv75098144; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDRr2x098089 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m215.in-tch.com [216.166.191.215]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l2SDDo204086 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:13:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002301c7713e$289ae7a0$d7bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:36:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 343fb748-7793-43bb-b62f-687e64d92fc8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460A6DD7.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've seen both terms used, so neither statement strikes me as particularly jarring. "Feel" comes off a little more, uhm, casual? colloquial? while "hand" sounds a bit more inclusive. Although it may just be my reading of the words, I'd think of "feel" as more of a texture reference, while "hand" is texture and drape and heaviness.... Of course, I'm typing all of this while heating my morning tea, so it's all done pre-caffeine. ;o) Don't hold me overly accountable if I don't make too much sense, please! --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: [h-cost] Translation help > > I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, > and where better to find it than here? > > I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native > language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a > bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the > reader. > > The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, > handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring > true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks > "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > > If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up > short, or would it make sense to you? > > "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, > because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 09:33:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDXhGb021042 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:33:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SDXUUV031486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:33:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDVYHH072121; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDVV4T001005; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:31:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDVSKW000968 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.37.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.37]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HWYFM-0004fv-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:31:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8ACFDC0A-9328-4EA9-90C9-5ECFFC61E871@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:32:14 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=39% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0cf241a7-aa52-4c4f-bff4-75cdc9cc7647 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460A6EAA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've always used "hand" and find it much more specific than "feel," since "hand" does include a sense of how the fabric moves or behaves when one handles it as well as how it feels--in fact, for me the "handling" aspect is more important than the "feeling" aspect. When I talk with other people who sew, "hand" seems to communicate fine. If you're in doubt, is there room for an explanatory note? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy, amateur costumer, and occasional copy editor On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile > literature, > and where better to find it than here? > > I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose > native > language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come > through a > bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the > reader. > > The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its > appearance, > handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't > ring > true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me > thinks > "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > > If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull > you up > short, or would it make sense to you? > > "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in > context, > because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 09:44:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDiRhD021375 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:44:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SDiEHK006650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:44:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDeX6W073680; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:40:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDeT40007628; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:40:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDePNN007498 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:40:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:40:29 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:40:28 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B01D15A3D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Translation help Thread-Index: AcdxLXKyThGUkhNpQZKqwVQnibepxwAEJUSA From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2007 13:40:29.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[A64F14A0:01C7713E] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47efa629-e6d5-457b-b627-ea10e3e8ddec X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460A712E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Both would work for me. I like hand better, but as you said, this is a self selected audience & feel may be more generally understood. How are "properties" different from hand and appearance? "Properties such as hand and appearance" would make more sense to me, but perhaps that's just because it's out of context. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:53 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Translation help I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, and where better to find it than here? I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the reader. The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up short, or would it make sense to you? "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 09:48:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDmPR8021547 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:48:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SDmD8M025245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:48:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDkONW074582; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:46:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDkKQM012509; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:46:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDkFQP012379 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:46:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:46:18 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:46:18 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B01D15A4D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-reply-to: <8ACFDC0A-9328-4EA9-90C9-5ECFFC61E871@mindspring.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Translation help Thread-Index: AcdxPm79Y71M6UTrRPy5oYJ5yHAzpAAAMzng From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2007 13:46:18.0823 (UTC) FILETIME=[767E8570:01C7713F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91ec1440-0e18-428b-a3a1-12cb3d5be326 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460A721D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Or maybe a combination of "texture and draping qualities"? The few people I've talked to are not familiar with the term hand. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Anne Baumgartner Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help I've always used "hand" and find it much more specific than "feel," =20 since "hand" does include a sense of how the fabric moves or behaves =20 when one handles it as well as how it feels--in fact, for me the =20 "handling" aspect is more important than the "feeling" aspect. When I =20 talk with other people who sew, "hand" seems to communicate fine. If you're in doubt, is there room for an explanatory note? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy, amateur costumer, and occasional copy editor On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile =20 > literature, > and where better to find it than here? > > I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose =20 > native > language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come =20 > through a > bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the > reader. > > The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its =20 > appearance, > handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't =20 > ring > true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me =20 > thinks > "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > > If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull =20 > you up > short, or would it make sense to you? > > "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in =20 > context, > because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 09:58:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDweeh021817 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:58:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SDwSTX021135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:58:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDpY58075256; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:51:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDpWOm016504; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2SDpPpT016339 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2007032809511919478 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:51:19 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l2SDpA11006321 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:51:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dbc23aff-e465-47f4-bbf2-fcd17b6a071e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460A7484.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I understand where Suzi is coming from. I'd say 'drape' if texture is not the issue. Kate 609-570-3584 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:53 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Translation help I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, and where better to find it than here? I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the reader. The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up short, or would it make sense to you? "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 10:07:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SE75t5022074 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:07:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SE6r0p026529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:06:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SE4sPP077623; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:04:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SE4qH1028226; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (mxo5.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SE4nmR028056 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:04:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49241] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.14.1 r(15310M)) with ESMTP id 5E/04-25094-DE47A064 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:00:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200703281346.l2SDkL2s012520@net.indra.com> References: <200703281346.l2SDkL2s012520@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:04:35 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=32% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: translation.. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d19625f-1c77-4f38-861d-183236190be9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460A767D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 7:46 AM -0600 3/28/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up >short, or would it make sense to you? > >"...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > >"...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > >Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, >because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." Hand is acceptable, USA usage... ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 10:34:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEYPgb022882 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:34:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SEYCK2019250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:34:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SESQL0082576; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:28:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SESMRK051127; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch5.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SESJRF051011 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:28:13 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Translation help Thread-Index: AcdxLXv6gJWvIXobS/uUT8RFHb1qawAF5JXQ References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa2684c7-633f-4a12-9c3b-79da22bdf3d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460A7CE4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Another vote for the "hand" version. "Hand" conveys a lot more than "feel"-- I guess I think of "feel" as being part of the qualities you get from "hand"! Astrida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 10:41:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEfgSj023100 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:41:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SEfUpc024050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:41:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEdVsG085076; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEdSsl062667; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:39:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEdPof062602 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:39:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31664 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:32:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:32:41 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B01D15A3D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cae24fc6-9530-431c-80f7-281f218db3a3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460A7E9A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hmm. It appears "hand" might be too much of an American term. Thank goodness for this list. And yes, I think "feel" is too narrow to capture the idea of drape, which is something I couldn't put my finger on -- thanks to those who mentioned it, as now I have something to approach the authors with Patty asked about "properties"; the authors discuss a large number of factors that help define the effect of a textile, so I read this word as a catch-all term for everything else about the fabric other than how it looks and feels, e.g. warmth, durability, etc. But I will query and see whether that's what they mean, or whether all the properties they address can be summed up in appearance and drape/texture. A radical thought: If I used the original word, "handle," would anyone here *not* understand it? Would it seem like bad English usage (which is a major concern here)? It struck both my English co-editor and me as a translation problem. The two appearances of the word: "We hope that [this method of analysis] may provide information that will increase our knowledge about the properties, handle, and appearance of a finished fabric." "Both the amount of twist and the twist combination in warp and weft are very important for the appearance of a fabric and also for the fabric's handle and properties." I am very tempted to put "drape and texture" in for the latter pair of adjectives, and may ask the authors' permission on that. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 10:43:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEhdoF023156 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:43:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SEhQC3025561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:43:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEfZjG085600; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:41:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEfYjk065074; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEfSmr064800 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id 6.cd3.dd34748 (41811) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:41:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:41:03 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ecfe2cd5-79ae-4669-87c7-acfc727e3b94 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460A7F0E.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 28/03/2007 14:47:50 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: >I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, >and where better to find it than here? > >I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native >language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a >bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the >reader. > >The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, >handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring >true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks >"hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > >If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up >short, or would it make sense to you? > >"...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > >"...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > >Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, >because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." > >--Robin >I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, >and where better to find it than here? > >I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native >language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a >bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the >reader. > >The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, >handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring >true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks >"hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > >If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up >short, or would it make sense to you? > >"...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > >"...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > >Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, >because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." > >--Robin the first one. I was going to suggest hand anyway as the meaning - because it's a more specifically fabric term to mean the drape, feel, hang, etc of the cloth, ie the way it handles. feel wouldn't make sense to me in a fabric sense. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 10:51:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEpETJ023378 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:51:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SEp2l1008582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEm0KH087284; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:48:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SElu9h072281; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:47:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2SElrqj072095 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:47:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: (qmail 70102 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 14:47:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@70.228.71.56 with plain) by smtp110.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 14:47:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Aaq0EbwVM1njVj5Td3Ao4aYUjlZ1nQSApD_NW6.Znn54II7I Message-ID: <460A7FFD.5080302@compuserve.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:47:25 -0400 From: "M + D (Mary Piero Carey+Doug Piero Carey)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200703281346.l2SDkL2t012520@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200703281346.l2SDkL2t012520@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Translation help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ff451a4-3347-48db-89c9-df383b8289fd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460A80D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, "hand" is absolutely the correct word. But who is the audience? If this will be in _Medieval Clothing & Textiles_, I'd say that anyone reading it who doesn't understand "hand" must soon learn it. On the other hand, if we're talking publication in a general interest magazine, perhaps the phrase should be "appearance and handling qualities". On the gripping hand, if this is going into a sewing or craft magazine, use "hand", the readers will know it. See you Friday! Mary Robin said: > > I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, > and where better to find it than here? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 10:56:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEu0Lx023498 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:56:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SEtlrY025733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:55:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEog7v088037; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:50:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEobcw075288; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:50:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SEoW5a075126 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:50:40 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:50:36 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B01D15AEA@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-reply-to: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Translation help Thread-Index: AcdxRznVc6PP4d8OR6KCgohm8gjg+AAAO5PQ From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2007 14:50:40.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[74596C70:01C77148] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 552ac690-5835-4d19-9d52-27db00479a19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460A81F3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am not familiar with the other use of handle, so to me it just seemed "bad English". Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 11:33 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help Hmm. It appears "hand" might be too much of an American term. Thank goodness for this list. And yes, I think "feel" is too narrow to capture the idea of drape, which is something I couldn't put my finger on -- thanks to those who mentioned it, as now I have something to approach the authors with Patty asked about "properties"; the authors discuss a large number of factors that help define the effect of a textile, so I read this word as a catch-all term for everything else about the fabric other than how it looks and feels, e.g. warmth, durability, etc. But I will query and see whether that's what they mean, or whether all the properties they address can be summed up in appearance and drape/texture. A radical thought: If I used the original word, "handle," would anyone here *not* understand it? Would it seem like bad English usage (which is a major concern here)? It struck both my English co-editor and me as a translation problem. The two appearances of the word: "We hope that [this method of analysis] may provide information that will increase our knowledge about the properties, handle, and appearance of a finished fabric." "Both the amount of twist and the twist combination in warp and weft are very important for the appearance of a fabric and also for the fabric's handle and properties." I am very tempted to put "drape and texture" in for the latter pair of adjectives, and may ask the authors' permission on that. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 12:03:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SG3inM025291 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:03:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SG3VuZ006123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:03:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SFxtVZ002125; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:59:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SFxniI049654; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SFxi3S049579 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:59:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.33.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.33]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HWaYp-0000hY-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:59:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <630A47ED-492A-4E40-A30A-1EE8F658A0E9@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:00:29 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=29% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6195a96-3983-463d-bdf1-5740d9429ee9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460A91D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO "Handle" would be comprehensible, but it would give pause to any native reader of English and, even after the reader had come to terms with it, would seem quaint and awkward. My opinion, anyway! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer (and sometime copy editor) On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > Hmm. It appears "hand" might be too much of an American term. Thank > goodness for this list. > > And yes, I think "feel" is too narrow to capture the idea of drape, > which > is something I couldn't put my finger on -- thanks to those who > mentioned > it, as now I have something to approach the authors with > > Patty asked about "properties"; the authors discuss a large number of > factors that help define the effect of a textile, so I read this > word as a > catch-all term for everything else about the fabric other than how it > looks and feels, e.g. warmth, durability, etc. But I will query and > see > whether that's what they mean, or whether all the properties they > address > can be summed up in appearance and drape/texture. > > A radical thought: If I used the original word, "handle," would anyone > here *not* understand it? Would it seem like bad English usage > (which is a > major concern here)? It struck both my English co-editor and me as a > translation problem. > > The two appearances of the word: > > "We hope that [this method of analysis] may provide information > that will > increase our knowledge about the properties, handle, and appearance > of a > finished fabric." > > "Both the amount of twist and the twist combination in warp and > weft are > very important for the appearance of a fabric and also for the > fabric's > handle and properties." > > I am very tempted to put "drape and texture" in for the latter pair of > adjectives, and may ask the authors' permission on that. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 12:09:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SG9miw025441 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:09:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SG9Ynk003204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:09:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SG7TZB003305; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SG7RJ3056816; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:07:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SF5PCa092422 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA31806 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:58:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:58:41 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <72adc2660703280752h6fec1676ra8a4ef8bd93cece3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: several messages X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bfcc657-6885-4c6a-aea5-b223da0fdca8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460A933E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, M + D (Mary Piero Carey+Doug Piero Carey) wrote: > Well, "hand" is absolutely the correct word. But who is the audience? > If this will be in _Medieval Clothing & Textiles_, I'd say that anyone > reading it who doesn't understand "hand" must soon learn it. It is indeed for MC&T, but from what Suzi says, "hand" is not used in British English, which is the language of a good chunk of our reading audience. Plus, the Scandinavian authors of the article have translated it into British English, so I have to stay consistent with that. All those "-ise" and "-our" endings... (The footnotes are a nightmare, full of sources in Swedish, Danish, Finnish, and Norwegian.) Thanks to Patty and Marie for confirming my gut response to "handle." At this point I am resolved to query the author about either using the American "hand" or rephrasing entirely. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 12:10:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGAJHH025449 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:10:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SGA14c019845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:10:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SG7xjQ003452; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:07:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SG7w8g057360; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:07:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SFb8V8027780 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id 6.c7c.a4900fd (48624) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:36:55 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:36:55 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14ed2b82-1408-4e2f-a453-12f8addbad4d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460A9359.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, there's no definition for the way we use the word "hand" when referring to textiles, in the regular dictionary. So maybe you need to define it in the sentence, like "the feel and drape [or hand] of the fabric." It's a bit wordy...but then you can just use "hand" thereafter. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 12:11:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGBDpY025483 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:11:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SGB0t7020282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:11:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SG9DxI003740; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SG99ua058548; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SG93E7058418 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CADcwCkbUSnIN/2dsb2JhbAA Received: from [212.139.69.205] (port=2670 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWaf6-0002QC-8F for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:06:12 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070328170525.03684c70@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:05:59 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help In-Reply-To: References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B01D15A3D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 40c25282-1cf8-453b-b8e7-5d70a6d9d54d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460A9394.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 16:32 28/03/2007, you wrote: >Hmm. It appears "hand" might be too much of an American term. Thank >goodness for this list. > >And yes, I think "feel" is too narrow to capture the idea of drape, which >is something I couldn't put my finger on -- thanks to those who mentioned >it, as now I have something to approach the authors with > >Patty asked about "properties"; the authors discuss a large number of >factors that help define the effect of a textile, so I read this word as a >catch-all term for everything else about the fabric other than how it >looks and feels, e.g. warmth, durability, etc. But I will query and see >whether that's what they mean, or whether all the properties they address >can be summed up in appearance and drape/texture. > >A radical thought: If I used the original word, "handle," would anyone >here *not* understand it? Would it seem like bad English usage (which is a >major concern here)? It struck both my English co-editor and me as a >translation problem. > >The two appearances of the word: > >"We hope that [this method of analysis] may provide information that will >increase our knowledge about the properties, handle, and appearance of a >finished fabric." > >"Both the amount of twist and the twist combination in warp and weft are >very important for the appearance of a fabric and also for the fabric's >handle and properties." > >I am very tempted to put "drape and texture" in for the latter pair of >adjectives, and may ask the authors' permission on that. > >--Robin Would using "handling" instead of "handle" help? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 12:52:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGq1u1026570 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:52:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SGpmiT017786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:51:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGmX8N011713; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGmTpO098625; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:48:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGmOwI098507 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32129 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:41:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:41:41 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d6a9d7c-dc81-4fe8-a968-7e23bf5c8933 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460A9D24.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks, all. You've given me some good words/ideas to work with. I've phrased a query to the authors and proposed a couple of write-arounds. ========================================================== Robin Netherton // Editor at Large robin@nightowl.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 12:55:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGteZ6026655 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:55:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SGtSPo019104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:55:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGqWlw012669; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:52:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGqUNL003000; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SGqQi5002800 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:52:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070328165221m1200dgmr1e>; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:52:21 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:52:20 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:52:20 +0000 Message-Id: <032820071652.5817.460A9D44000627BC000016B922092299270809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c913714-14ce-44d6-b594-56dd00e59a0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460A9E00.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you for the longer versions! "We hope that [this method of analysis] may provide information that will > increase our knowledge about the properties, handle, and appearance of a > finished fabric." > Might I suggest "characteristics, texture and appearance of a finished fabric."? "Both the amount of twist and the twist combination in warp and weft are > very important for the appearance of a fabric and also for the fabric's > handle and properties." And in this sentence, could I suggest using "drape, handle and typical construction characteristics." I think the use of "characteristics" is more defining and seems (to me) 'guide' the impressions more toward the texture line of thinking. I think your idea of adding "drape" in the following sentence, it seems logical. I hope this helps! Gia -------- Original message -------------- From: Robin Netherton > > Hmm. It appears "hand" might be too much of an American term. Thank > goodness for this list. > > And yes, I think "feel" is too narrow to capture the idea of drape, which > is something I couldn't put my finger on -- thanks to those who mentioned > it, as now I have something to approach the authors with > > Patty asked about "properties"; the authors discuss a large number of > factors that help define the effect of a textile, so I read this word as a > catch-all term for everything else about the fabric other than how it > looks and feels, e.g. warmth, durability, etc. But I will query and see > whether that's what they mean, or whether all the properties they address > can be summed up in appearance and drape/texture. > > A radical thought: If I used the original word, "handle," would anyone > here *not* understand it? Would it seem like bad English usage (which is a > major concern here)? It struck both my English co-editor and me as a > translation problem. > > The two appearances of the word: > > "We hope that [this method of analysis] may provide information that will > increase our knowledge about the properties, handle, and appearance of a > finished fabric." > > "Both the amount of twist and the twist combination in warp and weft are > very important for the appearance of a fabric and also for the fabric's > handle and properties." > > I am very tempted to put "drape and texture" in for the latter pair of > adjectives, and may ask the authors' permission on that. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 13:23:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SHNPEe027650 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:23:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SHNCS4027936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:23:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDtJDL075921; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDtINx019612; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SDtDlA019466 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:55:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:54:58 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l2SDsw496277 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:54:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 28 Mar 2007 08:54:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:54:57 -0500 References: <200703281346.l2SDkL2r012520@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:54:47 -0500 Message-ID: <460A2D57.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200703281346.l2SDkL2r012520@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Moda a firenze X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0dc625e-4412-4374-b4fa-78bd3f9ff868 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460AA480.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Has anyone heard when these are coming? I pre-ordered, but seem to recall > some people saying they had already received theirs? > Sharon C. > > > I think those who mentioned they had gotten their copies had actually gotten copies of the first printing. According to Ian Stevens of David Brown books, they are supposed to get their shipment on 1 April. Sounds like a bad day for something as important as this doesn't it? Wanda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Actually, Michael Shamansky, Booksellers have already received the copies of the second edition. I received mine a couple of weeks ago. They are still offering free shipping until March 31. Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 13:54:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SHsSjw028410 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:54:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SHsF7D005250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:54:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SHqAU1023938; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:52:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SHq5As060593; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SHq0gj060513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:52:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eva.andersson@comhem.se) Received: from c83-248-232-221.bredband.comhem.se ([83.248.232.221]:1392 helo=dator1) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HWcJT-0005RB-9W for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:52:00 +0200 From: "Eva Andersson" To: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:55:00 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c77162$37b83020$6901a8c0@dator1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 In-Reply-To: <200703281653.l2SGqXTp003085@net.indra.com> X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1HWcJT-0005RB-9W. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1HWcJT-0005RB-9W 302ad6a8dd3e9b5cfd2bc8456d6ff342 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] SV: translation help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a950a850-349c-4bd4-8d72-6a64f557def7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460AABC7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:53 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Translation help >I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile literature, and where better >to find it than here? >I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose native language is not >English. Some of the terms and idioms have come through a bit odd, and part of my job is >to smooth it out so as not to jar the reader. >The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, handle, and >properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring true here. My co-editor >pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks "hand", but perhaps that is not so >well-understood a term. Hmm, may this be an article by Ulla Mannering and Marianne Vedeler by any chance? Eva, who hasn't forgot about writing an article herself. It's just that I'm extremely busy writing applications for research funding until the end of April. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 14:34:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SIXwHP029331 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:33:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SIXjqB016955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:33:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SITETh030539; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:29:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SITAxx098045; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:29:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [63.240.77.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SIT7tV097909 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:29:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2007032818290201200012boe>; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:29:02 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <6868663c9eb469e7e968106b18aa6805@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:29:00 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1850s costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 674f06e6-b505-4052-a5a6-dc85ed68f321 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460AB509.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 14:43:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SIhl3U029551 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:43:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SIhYxs002808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:43:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SIegWu032178; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:40:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SIeeTu008969; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:40:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SIeY2U008850 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:40:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from FyneHats2@aol.com) Received: from FyneHats2@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id 6.c1b.125420d2 (43933) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:40:24 -0400 (EDT) From: FyneHats2@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:40:23 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b607291-99af-42cc-8401-ce7c25c7e91c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460AB756.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 15:43:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SJhUQQ031063 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:43:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SJhHQn002822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:43:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SJfH9N041481; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:41:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SJfCU8063343; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SJf8kY063147 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:41:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.130.100]) by bay0-omc3-s8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:40:57 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:40:57 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.130.123 by by125fd.bay125.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:40:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.32.181.40] X-Originating-Email: [elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com] X-Sender: elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200703281902.l2SJ2pP2028644@net.indra.com> From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:40:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Mar 2007 19:40:57.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[018205D0:01C77171] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: 1850s Costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fe674ce-b534-4446-b1b1-c44020429cd9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460AC555.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sylvia, you'll find a free split drawers pattern in the Compendium section of the site in my signature. Drawers for the 1850s are fairly optional; once the hoop comes it, they become a bit more common. Corset covers aren't as common at this point, unless you're wearing an unlined sheer dress. They become much, much more common in the later Victorian era. A chemise under the corset is vital, though. Regards, Elizabeth http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 16:04:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SK43f6031545 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:04:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SK3oVd026262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:03:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SK20PL044840; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:02:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SK1vPu081789; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:01:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.225.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SK1qMm081662 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:01:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070328200147b1500b653te>; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:01:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <30c145ff2897f63a32fbb16647e345c1@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 1850s Costume Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:01:46 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38ea77a3-79f3-4378-a51a-96ecfa35c182 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460ACA26.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Are you talking about a full length chemise, as opposed to a camisole? On Mar 28, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Elizabeth Clark wrote: > Sylvia, you'll find a free split drawers pattern in the Compendium > section of the site in my signature. Drawers for the 1850s are fairly > optional; once the hoop comes it, they become a bit more common. > Corset covers aren't as common at this point, unless you're wearing an > unlined sheer dress. They become much, much more common in the later > Victorian era. A chemise under the corset is vital, though. > > Regards, > Elizabeth > http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft > Office Live! > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 16:47:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SKljji032503 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:47:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SKlWpa003560 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:47:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SKjAd5051168; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:45:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SKj6Y4021143; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:45:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SKiwH3020948 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:45:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-15-93.desm.qwest.net [75.162.15.93]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SKiqVI015396 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:44:53 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200703281346.l2SDkg6P012808@net.indra.com> References: <200703281346.l2SDkg6P012808@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:44:50 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/2954/Wed Mar 28 11:52:02 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: translation help X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7f9fbdb-23c7-43df-bf00-12a1e9b93125 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460AD464.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO "Hand" is what I've always said... but I'm a fifty-something American Mid-Westerner. (Is your co-editor English?) OTOH, just a few years ago I took a class on Care & Storage of Museum Textiles (approximate title) and we all used the word "hand" when speaking of textile analysis, as you have in the first example. The second example would read well enough but I would probably spend a few seconds wondering why the author didn't say "hand". Just my opinion, of course! Suzanne > > Subject: [h-cost] Translation help > > > I need reactions from a sampling of avid readers of textile > literature, > and where better to find it than here? > > I'm editing a paper on textile analysis written by someone whose > native > language is not English. Some of the terms and idioms have come > through a > bit odd, and part of my job is to smooth it out so as not to jar the > reader. > > The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its > appearance, > handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't > ring > true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me > thinks > "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > > If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull > you up > short, or would it make sense to you? > > "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in > context, > because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 19:29:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SNTRQs003582 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:29:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2SNTFPs025204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:29:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SNMPx2072173; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SNMKYG051480; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:22:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SNMErh051404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:22:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-223-133-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.223.133]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l2SNMBjV009338 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:22:13 +1000 Message-ID: <009501c7718f$ea256610$85dff5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:22:10 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Disposition: X-PCToolsMIME: Updated by PC Tools Mime Parser 1.0.0.4 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] extant detachable sleeves (16th century) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc23734c-88c2-4728-b0c0-c35c21af5ab4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460AFA4B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Good morning all, I'm making a pair of pin on sleeves in imitation of the peasants in the DaCosta Hours http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/work/ and thinking about entering them in a competition in 2 weeks time (the theme is 'arms') but I'm debating on the seam treatment or whether to line them. I'm not aware of any extant pin on sleeves (it was really a peasant fashion so I wouldn't be surprised if none had survived) but I thought I would ask here just in case. I'm willing to extrapolate from other sources such as higher class lace on sleeves or later period pin on oversleeves. Any and all sources that can give me a clue as to how to deal with the seams and lining issue are welcome. thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.174) Database version: 5.06970 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 20:35:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T0Z1Vu005354 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:35:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T0YnRB024687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:34:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T0WkZj079372; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T0Wg6x095780; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T0WcWk095670 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id 6.d3f.588eef8 (14457) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:32:26 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff686f53-9f56-431c-98ba-ade2c9cc43ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460B09A9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 28/03/2007 17:53:59 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Hmm. It appears "hand" might be too much of an American term. Thank goodness for this list. It's traditional British too, but tends to be used by people with some knowledge of tailoring (rather than just dressmaking). I was taught about it by my Nana who trained as a tailor in the 30s _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 23:17:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3HkgZ009216 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:17:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T3HXfH014153 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:17:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3FPup096380; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:15:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3FIEt000290; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:15:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SIsFqg021190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:54:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (c-75-68-166-211.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.68.166.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by pony.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2SIs9WK028755 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:54:14 -0400 Message-ID: <460AB9D0.9010307@uvm.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:54:08 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1850s costume References: <6868663c9eb469e7e968106b18aa6805@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <6868663c9eb469e7e968106b18aa6805@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13268dd2-e5ce-42f0-b325-4668d86bf59b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460B2FCD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here are some images from 1858/1859 Godey's Lady's Book that should help answer the question: - a chemise drawing that states "many persons dislike to have any fullness under their corsets around the waist": http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/godey/images/s5906548.jpg and one of drawers: http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/godey/images/s5911396.jpg and one 'all-in-one' called the nonpareil: http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/godey/images/glb8-58p167.jpeg - Hope Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Ages ago I made an 1850s dress, crinoline and corset. If I can still > fit into it, I am thinking of wearing it for a high school > presentation I am giving. I would like all the correct underpinnings, > so I need to make some drawers, I know. I can't remember if in this > period women wore camisoles under their corsets or corset covers over > them. I'm sure there are some experts out there. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Mar 28 23:19:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3J9po009240 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:19:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T3Iuwk012688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:18:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3GM4v096567; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3GLZt001175; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp4.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2SKTwiQ007146 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200703282030.l2SKTwiQ007146@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 14081 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2007 13:29:57 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 13772, pid: 14059, t: 3.6969s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:42/d:2665 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp4 with SMTP; 28 Mar 2007 13:29:54 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:27:36 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: 1850s Costume In-Reply-To: <30c145ff2897f63a32fbb16647e345c1@ntw.net> References: <30c145ff2897f63a32fbb16647e345c1@ntw.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp4.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f62c1fe8-5bd7-4392-acb3-57f55810ab47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460B3020.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Most assuredly. I prefer mine mid-calf length. Joan At 01:01 PM 3/28/2007, you wrote: >Are you talking about a full length chemise, as opposed to a camisole? > >On Mar 28, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Elizabeth Clark wrote: > >>Sylvia, you'll find a free split drawers pattern in the Compendium >>section of the site in my signature. Drawers for the 1850s are >>fairly optional; once the hoop comes it, they become a bit more common. >>Corset covers aren't as common at this point, unless you're wearing >>an unlined sheer dress. They become much, much more common in the >>later Victorian era. A chemise under the corset is vital, though. >> >>Regards, >>Elizabeth >>http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft >>Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 01:42:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T5gHcZ019211 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:42:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T5g4EW014134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:42:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3G8hw096496; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3G71W000882; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2SJCUAM036915 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:12:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32732 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:05:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:05:47 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Translation help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7472537a-8ec7-419d-b4a9-3a3f7297699e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460B51AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi and Donna wondered: > Would using "handling" instead of "handle" help? To me, "handling" is what you do to the fabric, the emphasis being on the person. I'm looking for a characteristic of the fabric itself, which is really how it feels and acts when someone is handling it. In any case, thanks to the help here, I think I've gotten a sufficient write-around, which now will await author approval. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 01:42:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T5gHcb019211 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:42:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T5g4EY014134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3Gi6R096666; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T3GhxP001641; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T0DDvu083639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:13:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2T0OUdD002955 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:24:30 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Translation help Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:22:10 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703282022.10890.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19607797-b953-464a-bc7a-d492767997ce X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460B51AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tuesday 27 March 2007 9:53 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: [snip] > The author is listing characteristics of fabric, including its appearance, > handle, and properties. Obviously "handle" is the word that doesn't ring > true here. My co-editor pencilled in "feel." The fabric-user in me thinks > "hand", but perhaps that is not so well-understood a term. > > If you read either of these phrases in an article, would it pull you up > short, or would it make sense to you? > > "...the properties, hand, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > "...the properties, feel, and appearance of a finished fabric." > > Other suggestions welcome. I don't think "texture" will work in context, > because that turns out to be one of many factors in the "handle." Here's another comment from another American. I think of "hand" as a combination of texture and thickness. It can give you information about how the fabric is likely to drape, but does not include information about "drape" per se. I've never heard the term "feel" used in this context before, but in the context you suggest above I would understand it as being synonymous with what I think of as "hand." I would not use the word "handle" here. To me, "handle" is a protuberance used to grasp an object, and has nothing to do with fabric and its properties. It may well be used to describe fabric somewhere, but I doubt that such a usage has majority status among English speakers, and believe that many English-speaking readers would find it confusing and distracting. My suggestions would be either to rewrite the sentence entirely or to use the word "feel" as your colleague suggested. Either would be acceptable though the latter arguably is closer to what the author actually wrote. -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This may be an odd question, but is anyone aware of a pictoral guide or compilation of fabric designs and colors appropriate for Elizabethan era clothing? I am having a horrible time finding fabric to make a new jerkin for my son to wear this summer. I wanted to have something in cream or off white that he could wear under the burgundy/gold I made for last year. My hope is to also find something green to make him a second suit so he can trade off. I just spent the whole day running around to just about every fabric store in Columbus, Ohio. Frustrated is putting it mildly. Does no one carry anything but quilting fabrics anymore? I knew things were bad in my local shops, but we are so far out in the country I really didn't expect too much. My local choices are Wal-Mart and JoAnn's. I want to ask my mother, who lives in the Washington, DC area to go to E St. Fabrics for me, but I can't explain what I want so that she can understand. If I had a book with pictures she could look at it would make life much easier. She is not comfortable with looking at things on the web, so it would need to be a print source. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 02:00:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T602h4019608 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:00:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T5xnfg023346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:59:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T5vrfO012130; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:57:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T5vnZL090735; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:57:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T5vj8v090698 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:57:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1HWndo1NSy-0007iG; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:57:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19htg4AMaMs43feTzizwKL2kHPiHt/dCSecl4T k3QV12TCKEgLZp+zXqiXeQhBNIO+rlp4g+pKnfpH4qSS5yq5vl sL8nn4C53wsn6zwealjTA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3de0565b-faf8-4bf2-b21f-7493137ce206 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460B55D5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am trying to find out the who started the fashion trend of the 1960s = long fringed jackets or shirts for musicians. I am taking about the = ones like were worn by Jimi Hendrix or Judas in Jesus Christ Superstar = (movie). =20 I thought the fashion trend was in the early 1970s, but recently saw on = the music video TV station, The Tube, a video with Hendrix wearing a = beaded fringed jacket. The video may have been from Woodstock. Hendrix = died in 1970, so it must that time or before if it was him who started = the trend. This fringe started the challenge among my music trivia = buffs in my family to find out who was the first rock stars to wear the = long-fringed clothing for men.=20 I always remember the groups Jackson 5, the Osmonds, and Temptations = wearing the long fringe on jumpsuits. But I don't recall which one of = the groups had fringe first on jumpsuits. LOL, one of my college students is heavily into the 60s/70s fringe = trends and is trying to find the answers too. =20 BTW, The Tube is on digital cable through Comcast. I am hooked on = watching this station. It shows rock videos from the 1960s to present = day. Some of the videos I haven't seen since they were originally on TV = from the 60s-80s. For those who remember the TV rock show "In Concert," = The Tube shows individual songs from the series. This was a series on = TV on Friday nights in the mid 1970s. It aired originally in a time = slot before "The Midnight Special." VH1 on digital TV is also showing = some of the entire "In Concert" shows. =20 In my college class we cover music, film, and tv stars that influence = fashion from the 1950s-1970s. We cover a decade a week and I have to = stop at the 1970s. Ending at this decade is good since most of my = students were born in the mid to late 1980s and they remember their = parents wearing the 1980s fashions. One student said last week, that = she wished she had been a teenager in the 1970s. She said that she = would have loved to have gone to discos. I have a student who was born = in the early 70s and wears a afro today. She told the other student, = "No you don't. I remember my parents going disco dancing." =20 I will be covering the 1950s-1970s in my April's classes. If you would = like to tell who were your fashion icons during this time frame, please = let me know and what memories you have of these specific stars' = fashions. I'll compile a list and send it back to h-costume.=20 FYI, June 20, I will be spending my 50th birthday at our area's annual = Doobie Brothers concert. This concert is always fun! The venue holds = concerts outside just like the ones in the 1970s. You bring your lawn = chair or blankets and watch the show. You can sit anywhere in the = field, and the first ones in line, can get right in front of the stage. = My brothers, sister, and best friend from high school are flying in to = go to the concert with us. My husband, kids, and last year my = grandkids, went to the show. LOL, my grandbabies love the Doobie = Brothers and dance the entire show. This annual concert in Richmond, VA = is always a benefit the Vietnam Veterans Association. The best thing = about the concerts is that you pay prices for their concerts range from = $15-40. Here is the venue's website, = http://innsbrookafterhours.com/content//index.php?option=3Dcom_gigcal&Ite= mid=3D26 . They have a sister venue that holds concerts like these in = the DC area, Loudon County Music Festival, near Dulles Airport, = http://liveatbelmont.com/J2007/index.php?option=3Dcom_gigcal&Itemid=3D27 = . =20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 02:33:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T6XrPX000464 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:33:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T6XfG3008875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:33:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T6VtT0016979; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T6Vr24010637; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T6VoKW010593 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1HWoAm3A4t-0006do; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: <00af01c771cb$d4e13fe0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:31:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18NTlAzWlMjetM3VGxvTb3GhXzWyh5tiIh/Y7s Hy0X8rquBsrWy5STAD6m+fLy3EBr253HhGZG6QKr2uU5uVrMX5 jQotxg8o6F8V7J7tfILcw== X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Busby Berkeley Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7cf8f04-6541-47a1-89a3-86a36cbf4948 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460B5DC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Last week during my class I showed a clip of the film "Gold Diggers of = 1933" during my 1930s session. The last song in the film shows the = fashions and mentality of the Great Depression wonderfully! My student = that majors in dance and choreographer, fell in love with Busby = Berkeley's choreography. I loaned her my Busby Berkley biography book. = Just so happens, the book has a double-spread photo of the last scene in = the film. She went to her D&C professor and obtained permission to do = her senior thesis about Busby Berkeley. I have loaned her my Gold = Diggers video. But she wants to know if there is a place on the web = that she can purchase more of his films. Does anyone know of a website = that sells BB films on video or DVD? =20 LOL! This student had not seen BB's work before my 1930s session. When = she saw the Gold Diggers film, her eyes danced with joy! As a child, I = loved watching BB films for the costumes, set design, and choreography's = illusion. He was a master at his craft! This same student is also writing a paper about the Castles, a popular = dancing couple from the 1910s. I have several Ladies' Home Journal = magazines from the time period, that show the Castles demonstrating the = latest dance craze. The illustrations are in color and show = step-by-step how to do the dances. I have planned for years to animate = these illustrations and put them online. So this gives me that extra = push to put them online. The Castles' costumes are beautiful and = Irene's dresses flow so gracefully. Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 02:52:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T6q4J2007691 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:52:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T6ppIJ014087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:51:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T6no4L019600; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:49:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T6nj3k021440; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T6ng15021410 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.220.231]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JFN00MORKA68Q1A@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:49:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:49:11 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 790b15e8-6c29-443d-8ad9-0dc1878ec5a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460B6207.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The fashion definitely started in the '60's, part of the hippie Native American stuff. The earliest fringed jackets I can remember in a band is on one or two of the members of Buffalo Springfield. They broke up in '68. There's a picture here: http://www.greene.k12.ia.us/wpdevelopment/Abby%20Web/NeilYoungAbby/p5.html Roger Daltrey from the Who also wore them a lot, as early as the late '60's; Jefferson Airplane, other psychelic bands, too. The style went more mainstream in the '70's. You can also look for pictures from "Hair". Have you discovered VH1 Classic yet? -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 03:18:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7IkR1013621 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:18:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T7IXFV022739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:18:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7GZdW029259; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7GYca042754; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:16:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7GUg7042646 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1HWos10Pfe-0006dh; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:16:30 -0400 Message-ID: <00b301c771d2$12893040$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:15:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18wM5vOkFg3E+Hih5/GOain2Z31kNEk6ii1a6k rwCJ/yu3lb0429ctck2JUzl8wmva/qhdnbsVwszhFCSZflL/9a HI2FnjLqY1oPzfmRerRjg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dfed9302-9c03-4fff-b277-ec7465b5c719 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460B6849.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Helen, VH1Classic is where I have seen some of the "In Concert" shows. I love watching the big hair band videos on that station too. It reminds me when my oldest son was hooked on their music and played the music over and over. His 18 mo. old daughter will only go to sleep hearing big hair band music. Thank you for the Buffalo Springfield link and info about the fringe. Last week, I did see a video on The Tube of the Who and Roger wearing a fringed jacket. My only complaint about Tube is that they don't show the date of the video. So the video could be from a span of their career. You have to judge the time frame from their fashions. On the other hand, the Music Choice stations show the date of the song. But we have seen some errors on their music trivia. I saw on the Tube a video of The Animals, "The House of the Rising Sun." I was tickled pink...it was the first time I have seen the song performed by them. Their fashions were wonderful! It looked like the video was from a show like American Bandstand but it was filmed more like a modern video. I wish I had taped it. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 03:25:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7PaNT014870 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:25:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T7PNPT025317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:25:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7KaBI030516; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7Kaps045722; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7KVCd045641 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAH4FC0bUSnILh2dsb2JhbACQBQEBAQgOKg Received: from [212.139.69.205] (port=1352 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HWovP-000OL5-Ag for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:20:25 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070329081257.036d6c88@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:19:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males In-Reply-To: <00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7bb3436-df67-43d0-87ce-e110ec07a6ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460B69E3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 07:49 29/03/2007, you wrote: >The fashion definitely started in the '60's, part of the hippie >Native American stuff. The earliest fringed jackets I can remember >in a band is on one or two of the members of Buffalo >Springfield. They broke up in '68. There's a picture here: >http://www.greene.k12.ia.us/wpdevelopment/Abby%20Web/NeilYoungAbby/p5.html >Roger Daltrey from the Who also wore them a lot, as early as the >late '60's; Jefferson Airplane, other psychelic bands, too. The >style went more mainstream in the '70's. You can also look for >pictures from "Hair". >Have you discovered VH1 Classic yet? > -Helen/Aidan When I first met my DH, he had a fringed jacket, across the back only, in butter soft suede - it was quite beautiful. That was in 1970, but he had it before that. He says he remembers the Teddy boys "dressing like cowboys" in the 50's, but that is anecdotal, and he was quite young then, so I don't know how accurate he is - usually his memories are spot on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 03:29:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7T6o6015127 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:29:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T7SrbY025193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:28:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7QsCX031433; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:26:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7QrRf049349; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:26:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7QnAa049265 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Fy7JaLKYzwFZ99MFdXnRur1eEC8piBPdSJU0laGycmi202fOzYjwfmOIKJZjzjug; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.126.91] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HWp1w-0006uP-8L for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:26:44 -0400 Message-ID: <034401c771d3$a6a9ea20$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:27:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48a6d4b4dfd3e768ac0dff90ec7a53148878c914e01878b5fc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.126.91 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac219e23-50e2-42e9-aa7c-18fdc6df185b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460B6AB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > The fashion definitely started in the '60's, part of the hippie Native > American stuff. (snip) Here's some pics from Woodstock, 1969, both Jimi Hendrix and Roger Daltrey are wearing fringed outfits. http://www.woodstock69.com/file6.htm I grew up in the San Francisco Bay area and I seem to remember fringe on jackets, especially leather "Davy Crockett" type jackets on the Haight Ashbury crowd in 1966. I'm looking for pictures of finge pre-1969, but so far no luck. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 03:32:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7WrSg015380 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:32:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T7Weci009633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:32:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7V3m2031998; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:31:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7V291051751; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:31:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7UxtT051718 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:31:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1HWp6142Qe-0007kX; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:30:59 -0400 Message-ID: <00b901c771d4$187429e0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop><00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <034401c771d3$a6a9ea20$0200a8c0@boris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:30:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19sS7SjoJsvI+x6JxMTQM0sM1jmQteXSw/AQ0P kh5a96/lwprif+9EyXGCDTco1FG0Ya2iuchgCD4e+UOjSWKLmw ouznsO9JYuOGV7x+8FFYA== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4bc435a9-c4e0-4d58-8883-2ade339e61f6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460B6B98.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 03:33:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7XqTK015463 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:33:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T7Xdgl010255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:33:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7UOi2031774; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7ULTi051073; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:30:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7TbKX050727 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hdpinto@verizon.net) Received: from HELENPINTO ([72.65.220.231]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JFN00F0IM56UTU6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:29:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:29:28 -0400 From: "Helen Pinto" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males To: "Historical Costume" Message-id: <00e201c771d3$fd030460$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <00b301c771d2$12893040$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6bb5ba8-9f2d-4dd4-982f-f9cb66a4c0fd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460B6BD3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sonny and Cher (especially Cher) were also prone to fringe, and they might be the earliest, around '65-'66. -Helen/Aidan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 03:46:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7kaZh016408 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:46:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T7kMXF030499 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:46:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7icNH033514; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7iZCm060423; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T7iWkC060333 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mGTE8DAGgAy13RH+GRzuWyI7B0h+JC5QnMqvlapjjpihiTLEafi7HzQ4ChQrj00j; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.126.91] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HWpJ4-0008I5-QN for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:44:27 -0400 Message-ID: <035901c771d6$20088dc0$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop><00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO><034401c771d3$a6a9ea20$0200a8c0@boris> <00b901c771d4$187429e0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:44:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48a6d4b4dfd3e768ac580ed32a7e807817bca2f000fc72cd8d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.126.91 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c09c7a0e-5730-4c06-b154-9273d7a85bc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460B6ECE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 03:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Melusine, > > Thank you so much for the link. Those are the jackets in the videos I saw > on The Tube. > > Penny Ladnier, You're welcome, I've been enjoying the trip down memory lane. I was a little young to be directly involved in the Summer of Love, but I remember what San Francisco was like in 1966. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 04:18:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8IbcU019490 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:18:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T8IPMY007341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:18:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8GeTO036854; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:16:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8GZGc078522; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8GVhP078440 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2007032908162501100ka9jje>; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:16:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00b301c771d2$12893040$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <00b301c771d2$12893040$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2717b233e95170a979802a7e80400485@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:16:24 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c3ce7905-e330-4ba8-92f6-34678d8a1e96 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460B7651.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I saw the show "The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus" on PBS last week. Daltry and the Who performed. I seem to recollect Daltry wearing a fringed jacket. The film was made in 1968. Sylvia On Mar 29, 2007, at 1:15 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Helen, > > VH1Classic is where I have seen some of the "In Concert" shows. I > love watching the big hair band videos on that station too. It > reminds me when my oldest son was hooked on their music and played the > music over and over. His 18 mo. old daughter will only go to sleep > hearing big hair band music. > > Thank you for the Buffalo Springfield link and info about the fringe. > Last week, I did see a video on The Tube of the Who and Roger wearing > a fringed jacket. My only complaint about Tube is that they don't > show the date of the video. So the video could be from a span of > their career. You have to judge the time frame from their fashions. > On the other hand, the Music Choice stations show the date of the > song. But we have seen some errors on their music trivia. > > I saw on the Tube a video of The Animals, "The House of the Rising > Sun." I was tickled pink...it was the first time I have seen the song > performed by them. Their fashions were wonderful! It looked like the > video was from a show like American Bandstand but it was filmed more > like a modern video. I wish I had taped it. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 04:41:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8f703024967 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:41:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T8es5Y019534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:40:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8cmZX038811; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8clqi089339; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8chLJ089306 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1HWq9a0FIA-0006kQ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:38:43 -0400 Message-ID: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "h-costume" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:37:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+LhPmwDz8cF8kW9JnK/tm8bXx4pGr3EBbjawr 7z4lk+d55vCjkklJ04Sm3ltKiz1aR1up4gELKC0L7oiwsGkjwK DyuooE5Y/q6kldd/25EXw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fb3b7d24-f89a-4a0c-bd9b-94b4dbf4fac1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460B7B96.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My students have been asking some really good questions. These = questions I only know the answers from personal experience. I lived in = Mississippi at the time and do not know if we were really far behind = fashion or not. If you answer these questions, please let me know your = location and the app. year you remember these fashions were worn to = public elementary through high school: 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured=20 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. = Pants-suits, hiphuggers? 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed 1. I recall in seventh grade, 1969-70, on the bus to school, I basted = girls' skirt hems up...on the way home I let the hems out. Needless to = say, I was fast at hemming. By 1972/73, we could wear very short baby = doll dresses with bloomers underneath. 2. About 1970-71 (school year), we could wear pants suits similar to the = Partridge Family to school. The tunic length was measured. Remember = the Susan Dey patterns? By spring that evolved to the pants under a = short dress (ironically in fashion now YUCK!) By autumn 1971, we could = wear blue jeans and hip-huggers. 3. Fall 1971 guy could wear long hair but no facial hair. 4. 74/75 school year, guys could wear facial hair.=20 I remember vividly specifics about when these became fashionable in our = area. I sewed around the clock for my sisters and myself to stay on top = of fashion. My senior year, the boys @ school raked me over the coals = for being the first to wear a midi shirt. I was so hurt that I went = home and cut it up with scissors. A few years ago, a girl friend for = that school found my website. She wrote that she always knew that I = would go into fashion career because she loved that skirt. She = described the skirt style and print of fabric perfectly 25 years later. = I still have the pattern and wish I had the fabric!=20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 04:47:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8luM4026084 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:47:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2T8lh7i018871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:47:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8iSr3039729; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8iRiQ092382; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:44:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2T8iOf7092345 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 02:44:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1HWqF43LB3-0007jm; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:44:23 -0400 Message-ID: <00ca01c771de$5a15b940$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop><00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO><00b301c771d2$12893040$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <2717b233e95170a979802a7e80400485@ntw.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:43:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+FV3Gq8NjJKzwRaw8qRdEk5PNljkkx0zCLFGy vlU9FmtUPUuf3B3V/r5LMb5YzLxC9MGaKa2cY4SSJ7N234Mp/C +esaxKIeNZkDV5u9FrmTw== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99720529-b555-48f8-bb26-2f596ef10030 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460B7D2F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 04:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sylvia, Last week must have been Stones week. I saw a BBC-America documentary about the Stones but it wasn't a concert. It was about their career until the late 70s. I didn't see a fringe jacket in that film. In the PBS show, was the fringe beaded? Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 08:31:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TCVgPG027712 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:31:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TCVTBC004964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:31:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TCUlJ8071285; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TCUhD7026671; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:30:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from dithers.gower.net (dithers.gower.net [205.230.30.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TCUdEr026607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:30:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vbetts@gower.net) Received: from gower.net (node243.15.251.72.1dial.com [72.251.15.243]) by dithers.gower.net (8.13.1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l2TCUP5T089835 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:30:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from vbetts@gower.net) Message-ID: <460BB144.8090400@gower.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:29:56 -0500 From: Vicki Betts User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes References: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95e9c0eb-3bda-48a1-bb47-a1fe747175ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460BB1A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Location: Tyler, Texas, 100 miles east of Dallas, one of the many buckles of the Bible Belt. Penny Ladnier wrote: >1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured > All through high school, fall 1969-spring 1972. Skirts were supposed to touch the ground when a girl was on her knees. However, I don't recall anyone being asked to kneel to test it. I think most of our girls rolled up their skirts--that made it easier to let them down immediately if necessary. There was one assistant principal particularly concerned about whether or not girls wore bras, but that's another story. >2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? > Pantsuits--top matches bottom, often in double knit, were allowed my junior year--1970/1971. Jeans were allowed my senior year--1971/1972. My big "rebellion" was wearing jeans to honors assembly and to get my valedictorian photo taken for the yearbook. Okay, so I wasn't much of a rebel despite the fact that we WERE the Robert E. Lee Rebels until midway into our senior year. I don't recall hiphuggers being a problem. I had a pair in junior high, even if I couldn't wear them to school just because they were pants. >3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair > You would have to define long. Our "Mr. Robert E. Lee" had hair past the collar and he got by with it. About the same time, however, a hair court case involving our local junior college went all of the way to the Supreme Court, with a ruling in favor of the student. >4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed > "Mr. Robert E. Lee" also had a mustache, which was much envied by many of the other senior boys, because they couldn't have sported a noticeable mustache if they tried! Vicki Betts > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 09:49:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TDmxSu029670 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:49:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TDmjl0006130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:48:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TDld2K081412; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:47:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TDlaJx079741; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:47:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.134]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2TDlXAO079607 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 21942 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2007 13:47:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zMtj+8Y0euOeWwy9eIo5DgXlbtVO3C9Ekj1Vi4RfpKGgF3G6mQHLp7tGzN8KQQOZdu2PDpAB5ws/ww9Z9gmhWfTm45Ym9z0aJJ+9L8n3omzoL5zlWwrDHvo+Tpl8T3nrY9bn/TP7CcQwIMPUf2mzdWUmre0lXMKL4QfUlOvTxVs=; X-YMail-OSG: zwKgtGwVM1mjHDpfmsRXEeu.DWRP9JCSLcFKLvRlD8o2Lg5C9.WRDcKYFmmSdMx_63iwBRSIwcsxbbQwnbuwEVi6P0GlAMqWHudjIZSbvTtdDdNfbtNxlE1nPNz4WqhM7F_TGw-- Received: from [69.211.221.33] by web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:47:27 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <846280.21878.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=37% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: df60629c-80c2-424d-8ad1-b8097ad71994 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460BC3BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, what a fun (?) trip down memory lane! Elementary and Jr. High (60-69) were spent in Vermont. I remember making my first drop waisted dress for the 6th grade (65-66) dance. I wasn't allowed to hem it as high as I wanted, nor was I allowed the white go-go boots. I do remember that girls were not allowed to wear pants to school, even in winter. We did not have school buses and all winter we would walk around with wrinkled dresses from stuffing the skirts down the legs of our snow suits. In the spring there was one day we were allowed Burmuda shorts, but the hem had to be just above the knee. I do know that boys were not allowed to wear jeans to school. My father was a professor at the University of Vermont and I was surrounded by grad students all the time. I remember the fringed leather jackets, love beads, sandals, dashiki tops, and shopping at the Army Navy surplus for bell bottoms. This is where I got hooked on costume - UVM had a wonderful Shakespeare Theatre. I remember learning to knit on huge needles with rug yarn to make mail shirts. When they were done they were painted with metallic paint. In 69 we moved to the Virginia side of DC. I will never forget my first drive through Georgetown! Talk about hippie city! Girls were allowed pant suits in my Junior year (70-71). Our choir uniforms (Princess style dress over pants)were made from that horrendous double knit fabric. Can you say sweat factory?? Double knit under stage lights - not pretty! Boys were allowed long hair, but facial hair wasn't allowed until 71-72. I remember my husband with huge mutton chop sideburns that skated on the edge of the rules because there was a gap of about 4 inches over his chin. Senior year he filled in the gap and added a mustache which has stayed ever since. The beard comes and goes, but the 'stache is forever. I remember spending the summer before college sewing dresses and jumpers that I never wore. College was jeans and smock tops. Take that back, I did wear a dress during orientation week. Chancellor's Tea we had to wear a dress with stockings and gloves. Imagine stockings and gloves in the humidity of a Virginia summer! Ah, well. Hope that helps. Rebecca --- Penny Ladnier wrote: > If you answer these > questions, please let me know your location and the > app. year you remember these fashions were worn to > public elementary through high school: > > 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured > 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear > pants to school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? > 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair > 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 09:52:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TDqZf3029769 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:52:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TDqNN2007399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:52:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TDpjbS082096; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:51:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TDph9H082918; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:51:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TDpf1K082805 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:51:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JFO004OI3TGVLQ0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:51:12 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busby Berkeley Films In-reply-to: <00af01c771cb$d4e13fe0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d884fd4-fe0a-4df8-a23d-3e3ea1f8d4f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460BC497.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wasn't there a Fred Astaire film about Vernon and Irene Castle? Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 2:31 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Busby Berkeley Films Last week during my class I showed a clip of the film "Gold Diggers of 1933" during my 1930s session. The last song in the film shows the fashions and mentality of the Great Depression wonderfully! My student that majors in dance and choreographer, fell in love with Busby Berkeley's choreography. I loaned her my Busby Berkley biography book. Just so happens, the book has a double-spread photo of the last scene in the film. She went to her D&C professor and obtained permission to do her senior thesis about Busby Berkeley. I have loaned her my Gold Diggers video. But she wants to know if there is a place on the web that she can purchase more of his films. Does anyone know of a website that sells BB films on video or DVD? LOL! This student had not seen BB's work before my 1930s session. When she saw the Gold Diggers film, her eyes danced with joy! As a child, I loved watching BB films for the costumes, set design, and choreography's illusion. He was a master at his craft! This same student is also writing a paper about the Castles, a popular dancing couple from the 1910s. I have several Ladies' Home Journal magazines from the time period, that show the Castles demonstrating the latest dance craze. The illustrations are in color and show step-by-step how to do the dances. I have planned for years to animate these illustrations and put them online. So this gives me that extra push to put them online. The Castles' costumes are beautiful and Irene's dresses flow so gracefully. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 10:03:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TE3Asv030069 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:03:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TE2w9Y002373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:03:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TE2BuO084287; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:02:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TE2AOf091419; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:02:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TE27dr091308 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JFO002HB4ALF8B0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:01:29 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pictoral source In-reply-to: <20070329054046.64532.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a85ad2e-77b1-45a4-b820-4872de0fc36e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460BC712.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Try the remnant table and the upholstery section at JoAnnes. The damasks and the velvets are good. Also brocades. You can't go wrong with a velveteen, an upholstery velvet( make sure it doesn't have a plasticized back, and stay away from the modern acetate velvets that they sell for dresses) or an antique satin (back it so it has body). Pictoral sources-- trythe web, print it in color and mail it. There are tons of sources. Queen Elizabeth's Wardrobe unlock'd by Janet Arnold has a few pics in color. Most of the other sources would be about Elizabeth I and the Elizabethan era -- try the Library. Hope this helps. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:41 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Pictoral source This may be an odd question, but is anyone aware of a pictoral guide or compilation of fabric designs and colors appropriate for Elizabethan era clothing? I am having a horrible time finding fabric to make a new jerkin for my son to wear this summer. I wanted to have something in cream or off white that he could wear under the burgundy/gold I made for last year. My hope is to also find something green to make him a second suit so he can trade off. I just spent the whole day running around to just about every fabric store in Columbus, Ohio. Frustrated is putting it mildly. Does no one carry anything but quilting fabrics anymore? I knew things were bad in my local shops, but we are so far out in the country I really didn't expect too much. My local choices are Wal-Mart and JoAnn's. I want to ask my mother, who lives in the Washington, DC area to go to E St. Fabrics for me, but I can't explain what I want so that she can understand. If I had a book with pictures she could look at it would make life much easier. She is not comfortable with looking at things on the web, so it would need to be a print source. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 10:31:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEViBH031064 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:31:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TEVVjV004037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEV1L7090387; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:31:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEV0oo017187; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEUv9f017122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:30:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HWveS-0004bU-6H; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:30:56 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:30:56 -0400 Message-ID: <20070329103056.8125up7c2lo8w0kg@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:30:56 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes References: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=35% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ef42945-2ccf-4be4-a55d-02e039a61498 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460BCDC4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. nope. not even coulottes. > Pants-suits, hiphuggers? > 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair yes > 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed I think so susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 10:42:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEgNHF031283 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:42:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TEgBIX002010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:42:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEfhv9092384; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEfgvY026938; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEfduC026808 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:41:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.13]) by bay0-omc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:41:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:41:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:41:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Pictoral source Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:41:26 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c77210$54661d50$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcdxxQY1ylZ3su9rTCOcCyV96KY0QQASjbQg In-Reply-To: <20070329054046.64532.qmail@web81411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2007 14:41:33.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[58C2C0B0:01C77210] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d58bd1ad-ace8-4b4d-90ef-84a65b61a924 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460BD043.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Rebecca, have you considered purchasing fabric online? Most of the places now will do swatching. I use the following all the time: http://www.denverfabrics.com/ http://www.fashionfabricsclub.com/ (you do not have to be a member) http://www.designerfabrics.to/shop/scripts/ Even if you don't want to buy like this, you could probably direct your mom to some examples.... I don't know of any books which will "put it all together" for your mom to look at - especially in the area of fabric weaves and patterns. I know there is something which describes colors, but can't remember it right now...QEW Unlocked maybe? But a fairly safe rule is what colors you can get from "natural dyes". We use this book to show folks in our group. http://tinyurl.com/2tgpaz http://www.amazon.com/Dyers-Garden-Growing-Natural-Fibers/dp/1883010071 Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of REBECCA BURCH Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:41 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Pictoral source This may be an odd question, but is anyone aware of a pictoral guide or compilation of fabric designs and colors appropriate for Elizabethan era clothing? I am having a horrible time finding fabric to make a new jerkin for my son to wear this summer. I wanted to have something in cream or off white that he could wear under the burgundy/gold I made for last year. My hope is to also find something green to make him a second suit so he can trade off. I just spent the whole day running around to just about every fabric store in Columbus, Ohio. Frustrated is putting it mildly. Does no one carry anything but quilting fabrics anymore? I knew things were bad in my local shops, but we are so far out in the country I really didn't expect too much. My local choices are Wal-Mart and JoAnn's. I want to ask my mother, who lives in the Washington, DC area to go to E St. Fabrics for me, but I can't explain what I want so that she can understand. If I had a book with pictures she could look at it would make life much easier. She is not comfortable with looking at things on the web, so it would need to be a print source. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 10:49:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEnQ1Z031468 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:49:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TEnDkq011983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:49:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEmOX1093514; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:48:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEmK2Z032864; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:48:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEmG8X032742 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id 6.c92.98b88fd (39332) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:48:09 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 100 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 60's dress code X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 303ac363-6a15-42a2-a91f-cee1ee556ca6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460BD1E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO <> Penny: I am a little bit older than you. In the sixties, girls weren't allowed to have skirts that measured more than 3 inches above the knee in my little town in California. This odious (?) task was assigned to a male staff member who the students referred to as "Swamp Fox". He ran around the corridors with a ruler. We shortened our skirts by rolling them up at the waist, so it was easy, when we saw him coming with his little ruler to roll our skirts down long enough for him to pass. Even so, my sister was sent home several times to get a longer skirt. I think she planned it that way. There were extremes of makeup involving eye liner and white lipstick which didn't seem to matter. And, of course, the hair towered above the head in a teased and hair sprayed helmet. Boys weren't allowed to wear blue jeans and their hair could not touch their collars in the back. I remember something about a coach who also roamed the corridors with a pair of scissors looking for long hair to butcher. Teachers could get away with more then. Cheryl Odom Formerly of San Luis Obispo, California ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 10:51:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEp9Xq031497 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:51:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TEou6h019876 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:50:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEnuId093834; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEntxM034341; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:49:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TEnpbA034218 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:49:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.81]) by bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:49:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:49:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:49:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [75.50.253.228] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:49:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2007 14:49:46.0358 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E600160:01C77211] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b138858a-a375-4616-908d-3255f8122cf9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460BD250.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you answer these questions, please let me know your location and the app. year you remember these fashions were worn to public elementary through high school: > >1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured >2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. >Pants-suits, hiphuggers? >3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair >4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed > We moved from Wisconsin to Windsor, Massachusetts for the 1963-65 school years while my parents taught at a private school (I remember doing my homework by the fireplace during the great blackout of the eastern seaboard in 1965). My siblings and I attended public schools, however. I remember rolling up the waistband of my skirts like the 8th grade girls did, but I don't remember anyone checking the lengths, generally we didn't go much more than 3-4 inches above the knee. By the time we moved to Ridgefield, Connecticut for '65-'66 school year, the older girls were wearing mini-skirts. Much to my shock, so were some of their mothers! In 1966 we moved back to Wisconsin and it was back to rolling up my waistband again until about '68 or'69, when they finally relaxed most of the dress codes and allowed "slacks" ("pants", at least for girls, meant underwear). I remember wearing hip-hugging bell bottoms by about 1970. My brothers were wearing long hair while we were out east, and at least one of them had a mustache and goatee (this would have been his Junior year in HS), say 1965. HTH, Laurie _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 11:05:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF5x2b031793 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:05:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TF5ln5003295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:05:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF4JrB096730; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF4HU4048817; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net (alnrmhc12.comcast.net [206.18.177.52]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF4Ecn048662 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:04:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070329150408b1200sdghge>; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:04:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Message-Id: <13a2d4eef5361e484b1ad4b1ee99557b@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:04:06 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1ce4182-c99a-4626-a073-ddd0340a580b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460BD5CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Penny, I graduated from high school in 1964. None of those things were happening that early. Girls all wore skirts. Long hair for guys wasn't even in fashion yet where I was-- Temple City, CA, a suburb of Los Angeles--although since we saw the Beatles on tv earlier that year, I'm sure it was starting to be popular elsewhere, colleges at least, if not high schools. I know that for a fact because I enrolled at CU Berkeley that fall, and boy, was I in for a surprise. Saw guys with long hair all over campus, along with typical hippie type clothing I'd never seen before. It took me awhile to adjust to the new styles myself. I will never forget flying home for Thanksgiving, wearing my 3 piece double knit suit with stockings, a girdle and heels on the plane. I think it was the last time I ever wore that suit and a girdle. Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com On Mar 29, 2007, at 2:37 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > My students have been asking some really good questions. These > questions I only know the answers from personal experience. I lived > in Mississippi at the time and do not know if we were really far > behind fashion or not. If you answer these questions, please let me > know your location and the app. year you remember these fashions were > worn to public elementary through high school: > > 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured > 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. > Pants-suits, hiphuggers? > 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair > 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed > > 1. I recall in seventh grade, 1969-70, on the bus to school, I basted > girls' skirt hems up...on the way home I let the hems out. Needless > to say, I was fast at hemming. By 1972/73, we could wear very short > baby doll dresses with bloomers underneath. > > 2. About 1970-71 (school year), we could wear pants suits similar to > the Partridge Family to school. The tunic length was measured. > Remember the Susan Dey patterns? By spring that evolved to the pants > under a short dress (ironically in fashion now YUCK!) By autumn 1971, > we could wear blue jeans and hip-huggers. > > 3. Fall 1971 guy could wear long hair but no facial hair. > > 4. 74/75 school year, guys could wear facial hair. > > I remember vividly specifics about when these became fashionable in > our area. I sewed around the clock for my sisters and myself to stay > on top of fashion. My senior year, the boys @ school raked me over > the coals for being the first to wear a midi shirt. I was so hurt > that I went home and cut it up with scissors. A few years ago, a girl > friend for that school found my website. She wrote that she always > knew that I would go into fashion career because she loved that > skirt. She described the skirt style and print of fabric perfectly 25 > years later. I still have the pattern and wish I had the fabric! > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 11:08:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF80Ai031843 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:08:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TF7lEc026567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:07:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF6mgK097592; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:06:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF6luu051667; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smapp01.siteprotect.com (smapp01.siteprotect.com [64.41.126.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF6gRm051578 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:06:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cschmitt@genteelarts.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smapp01.siteprotect.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1832EC003 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:06:41 -0500 (CDT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "cschmitt@genteelarts.com" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes X-Origin: 65.164.18.144 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:06:41 -0600 Message-Id: <12498.1175180801@genteelarts.com> X-Mailer: AtMail 6.0 - 65.164.18.144 - cschmitt@genteelarts.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d682edef-b3e7-486d-9d79-806c9b346b7c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460BD643.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured=20 I graduated high school in 1968. Our skirts could be no shorter than the wi= dth of a business envelope above the knee. The principal=20 carried one in his pocket and did random spot checks between classes and at= lunch. If your skirt was too short, they pinned strips=20 of obnoxious patterned fabric to the hem of your skirt and you had to wear = it the rest of the day. Three infractions and you got=20 detention and suspension from extra curricular activities. We were very ade= pt at rolling them up at the waist and then dropping=20 them down as soon as he turned the corner.=20 >2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. Pants= -suits, hiphuggers? The only girls who could wear pants to school were members of the high scho= ol band on the days we had a concert or other band=20 activity that required a band uniform.=20=20 >3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair Boy's hair styles are still pretty short at this time and in this area (Get= tysburg, PA). Heck - we still had a few guys who wore=20 DA's! >4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed No facial hair like mustaches or beards, but a few guys had some awesome si= deburns. Carolann Schmitt cschmitt@genteelarts.com www.genteelarts.com Ladies & Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 1-4, 2007 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 11:25:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TFPAHM032335 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:25:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TFOvA0013708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:25:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TFNT7p001108; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TFNRkg067607; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TFNMqr067447 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.130.108]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:23:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:23:16 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.130.123 by by125fd.bay125.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:23:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.32.181.40] X-Originating-Email: [elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com] X-Sender: elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200703290720.l2T7KbMR045740@net.indra.com> From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:23:11 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2007 15:23:16.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CC60390:01C77216] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Chemise 1850s X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: adbbcc84-75d7-4943-ad83-0651a4c19666 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460BDA49.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, a long chemise, as opposed to a short camisole. I've not seen the short camisoles used until later in the century. For the 1850s, the most common undergarment seems to be a white cotton or white linen chemise, cut moderately full through the body, with a short sleeve, and hemmed between the mid-knee and mid-calf (personal choice on that--if you tuck a chemise into your drawers, it's easier to use the slightly shorter length; if you do not use drawers, an upper to mid-calf length is better.) Regards Elizabeth Clark http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 11:57:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TFv3Np000685 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:57:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TFuoaj000973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:56:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TFtR61006922; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:55:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TFtKWb097584; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:55:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.213]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2TFtHaU097441 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:55:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 16984 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 15:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@71.142.63.42 with plain) by smtp114.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 15:55:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8Jb7zBcVM1kmZkfZjCbPFirJoyxogNCqQxQpdpy8MQincglYAdxjMK1S1Ku2bR5RS8sO97lk1y2yj29gg7y5FvaGZEjr09sJIwWSKe_5VoVoUVrPJrM- Message-ID: <460BE15A.7030607@fenris.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:55:06 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Busby Berkeley Films References: <00af01c771cb$d4e13fe0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> In-Reply-To: <00af01c771cb$d4e13fe0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 14c4b551-744a-47f4-96cd-3821a1561158 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460BE1C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO BB worked on others in the Gold diggers" series liz young Penny Ladnier wrote: > Last week during my class I showed a clip of the film "Gold Diggers of 1933" during my 1930s session. The last song in the film shows the fashions and mentality of the Great Depression wonderfully! My student that majors in dance and choreographer, fell in love with Busby Berkeley's choreography. I loaned her my Busby Berkley biography book. Just so happens, the book has a double-spread photo of the last scene in the film. She went to her D&C professor and obtained permission to do her senior thesis about Busby Berkeley. I have loaned her my Gold Diggers video. But she wants to know if there is a place on the web that she can purchase more of his films. Does anyone know of a website that sells BB films on video or DVD? > > LOL! This student had not seen BB's work before my 1930s session. When she saw the Gold Diggers film, her eyes danced with joy! As a child, I loved watching BB films for the costumes, set design, and choreography's illusion. He was a master at his craft! > > This same student is also writing a paper about the Castles, a popular dancing couple from the 1910s. I have several Ladies' Home Journal magazines from the time period, that show the Castles demonstrating the latest dance craze. The illustrations are in color and show step-by-step how to do the dances. I have planned for years to animate these illustrations and put them online. So this gives me that extra push to put them online. The Castles' costumes are beautiful and Irene's dresses flow so gracefully. > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 12:16:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TGGUqk001096 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:16:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TGGI7q021266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:16:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TG9xMZ009026; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TG9s54011245; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:09:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TG9l75011117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [192.168.1.107] ([132.198.190.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by pony.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l2TG9j5t023990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:09:46 -0400 Message-ID: <460BE4CA.9060901@uvm.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:09:46 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes References: <846280.21878.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <846280.21878.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56bc9812-a999-4dd1-b3b0-868839eb106c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460BE652.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured >> 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear >> pants to school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? >> 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair >> 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed >> Center Moriches High School, Long Island, New York. 1971-72: - mini skirts OK as long as no more than 3 inches above knee--I don't remember any ruler fanatics, though, so that rule was quite often bent - the first year that girls pants are officially allowed. The policy of 'slacks but no jeans' was challenged by Linda T., who wore jeans every day in protest and who also challenged the policy that barred women from taking shop or drafting classes (hoorah for Linda!) - long hair? sure; side burns? absolutely; mustaches? well they tried... - fringed jackets: worn by a few boys (and a couple girls) who aspired to 'artistic/rebel' status and another one: transition from stockings/garters to pantyhose: 1968 or so also: who remembers the Sear catalog "choose your jeans" options: one, two, or three inches below the waist--low rider jeans! I remember talking my Mom into letting me get a '3 inch' purple corduroy pair! cool. - Hope P.S. Hey Rebecca, I left Long Island for Vermont 18 years ago and am now at UVM! current craze: ugg boots, short skirts, low jeans...pretty much the usual _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 12:59:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TGxrU7002226 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:59:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TGxfHD016671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:59:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF50aK096984; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:05:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF4ws7049670; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:04:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc12.comcast.net (alnrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.225.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TF4t8Y049486 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070329150450b1200sdghhe>; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:04:50 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00ca01c771de$5a15b940$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop><00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO><00b301c771d2$12893040$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <2717b233e95170a979802a7e80400485@ntw.net> <00ca01c771de$5a15b940$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <34f413b601e8eea85c9536a278c19263@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:04:49 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a97cd54-1ac8-45ae-bbd2-677e01dafaa8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460BF07D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I dont know. I think I taped it so I'll check. On Mar 29, 2007, at 2:43 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Sylvia, > > Last week must have been Stones week. I saw a BBC-America documentary > about the Stones but it wasn't a concert. It was about their career > until the late 70s. I didn't see a fringe jacket in that film. In > the PBS show, was the fringe beaded? > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 14:21:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TILLcg004491 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:21:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TIL8tU023992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:21:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TIEWKB030977; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TIEQsc027823; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:14:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TIEEeF027636 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so645814ugc for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:14:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pWPCseYl3XCPVQoulhla2zFq1WR6dAM12lsaKH9IriTDpYvNAT+WmHbPKcDerjHAUUD7YJiK1aslSVKy4ud56vZekP+0fLSq4L+a0leZAXORGltd3ggjw8Sq9GRs4I90EzDLXX0jdangvlGxeWgAgz/KYgCerd74GKyRzYS9Wz8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rN10BP0lhZCgIWNh3vpPEvLFSouDwocup0Iz4k4lfrjgrbipWJrArVy8AGQ8AA2ycUttf/o0vAflb928V5fvIQq42YbvJtDFxKC5WsWRo6/UJ/CAWsYy5vGczkRkVO6a6mTRiAFRmRVehTpD6bXzWhtzbJzZtfUtqA902LAkpcU= Received: by 10.114.181.1 with SMTP id d1mr378704waf.1175192050425; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.60.5 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0703291114u65729348x551d6b24a02f50f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:14:10 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes In-Reply-To: <460BE4CA.9060901@uvm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <846280.21878.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <460BE4CA.9060901@uvm.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 808b2b54-6645-4b12-9fce-19b324bb524c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460C0394.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > 1. Mini-skirts: > 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear > pants to school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? > 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair > >> 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed Abraham Lincoln Public High School, San Francisco, CA, Class of 1969 - mini skirts I made myself a dirndle miniskirt in jr. high -1963-64? - and got in trouble for it but my mom said that knees weren't a bad thing and I could wear it and that school couldn't punish me. I shouldn't have worn it, I was short and the waistband was only about 3x the length of the skirt, not an attractive outfit now that I think of it. My mom and I have laughed about it since. But after 1964 we could wear them as long as our underwear didn't show. But we had to go tot the water fountain in pairs - one to bend down to drink and one to "block the view." > - the first year that girls pants are officially allowed. 1966 we could wear pants to school. My parents didn't allow me to wear jeans to school so I kept a pair in my locker and wore them. Pant suit were WAY later than that. Although I remember the winter that my church allowed pantsuits for women; it was cold in church and the older ladies complained that it physically hurt them to be in church in anything less. God bowed to old ladies' joints. > - long hair? sure; many guys were known by the fact they had long hair. side burns and mustaches? only a few were actually able to grow them. Our school president, the valedictorian of the class before mine, wasn't allowed to get into Disneyland at the Senior field trip because of his long hair and Van Dyke beard, in spite of his button-down shirt and Hush Puppies. - fringed jackets: Oh, yeah, especially in group I hung out with. We all wore suede; I even had a suede wrap around mini-skirt, burgundy, that my dad gave me for Christmas when I was 16. I loved that skirt! > > and another one: > transition from stockings/garters to pantyhose: 1966 maybe? > > also: hip-huggers I had in college, but not high school. I had a pair of Army/Navy surplus 13-button wool pants that I wore. We loved them - I wore them high school to college when my boyfriend helped me and washed them in with the jeans and shrunk them. Hey! They're blue, they're pants, they wash with the jeans! Penny, I love this subject. Finally something I know really well... LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 15:36:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJaXWO005842 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:36:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TJaII8020793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:36:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJYfPM046105; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:34:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJYegk005741; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TH70IE064777 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:07:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so330003wra for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:07:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=so5nZKSpibHEx3AKEoGW171F3Ug5Tq3Ozu9oypNMzafDxxp7jCn/jQLJxMOnFmEf0HOmLgSpKGwI07IjrG8OVtoYzvJJMR5+JrBarXxQDu9XBvN0FSjfGATOagRtSX1il9CN4mYuiCqM+Q4wnnVQvLJYRatxAAmuUjwh1JTQYs4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=myk49XRs0Q+vcfLcq4L28icUId3DBTLoxp8GGo7wpkf/bOFqBhPkUEBku2FNUg4Kb8FdTC0MVQ8DygUvL0//VYIyEKNhzaKuRS3GjDT5p1qv6fCXGgnpuumONkMwHAhP91uBBlAr9lLoiugWQFlUrPxKYH5/NqrdQdUbxNMNgpM= Received: by 10.115.77.1 with SMTP id e1mr346918wal.1175188018588; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.131.18 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:06:58 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: RE: [h-cost] Busby Berkeley Films MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32e49b33-24cb-41e7-b022-010bda6fe737 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460C1532.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Wasn't there a Fred Astaire film about Vernon and Irene Castle? >Monica "The Whirl of Life" after a "biography" film of Vernon and Irene, by the same title. The biography is a fabrication, except for the part where V&I are dance teachers. It's one of the best sources for ragtime dance styling around. I believe the Met Museum owns the last original print. There's many copies, tho. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 15:37:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJbSsa005866 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:37:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TJbF3w025824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:37:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJZc0B046284; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJZaPb006664; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:35:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2THlA4M001764 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:47:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k40so637770ugc for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:47:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WiMd+mKMPx28ee69xbXmi0GpUaw/UMuHwKuZzmwGmf1T0QMllHqTL+OT48IWZeKQXaj8mSJuFnRO8y+at0rzCW76M1zHgFgByonnWEscw2t22w8It0V+WC1eidphf46UcodV3VlcbAf6OHtKesiZpxMgR0Iw+afXJ4XhLOg7kM4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rzb2gA3OLhuXNzXLJ25jO9sRFm2FNbe6hN5EyANHzyq669WYZFo7MjV5rFRyuIjA40uYhBPjUgNNoklv4BRjDHwWDRD16iW8WrTvw7uuu8CO9B/NMflEyA5yb/CsGQgt9+EI8nAzsK9xlWMCyrikOEOI6ewbjwH/w5RaufTGoQU= Received: by 10.114.151.13 with SMTP id y13mr343119wad.1175190429090; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.60.5 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0703291047y76ff2356k3449acb8d085e926@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:47:08 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males In-Reply-To: <00e201c771d3$fd030460$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <00b301c771d2$12893040$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <00e201c771d3$fd030460$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0bcf54c9-fac9-4833-807a-89c4630eb598 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460C156B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I grew up in San Francisco and was at the First Human Be-In" in Golden Gate Park, late 1966 or Jan-Feb 1967. I was 14. Suede fringe jackets were very popular at the Be-In, some with very long fringe, some with beads on the fringe. The Grateful Dead wore them and a few of the Jefferson Airplane on record albums (remember them?) by then. I believe Helen is right aabout the style coming from the interest in going back to the earth and wearing Native American clothing, including the suede fringe clothing, was part of that life. She's also right that Sonny & Cher were wearing fringe - and that furry vest that Sonny wore so often - before 1966. The Byrds from Los Angeles wore fringe early on too, but I can't remember how early. By the time I bought my fringe jacket in 1968, it was almost old hat in the Haight Ashbury, but it took me a long time to save up the $65. Wasn't allowed to wear it when with my parents - or my straight-laced brother. LynnD On 3/29/07, Helen Pinto wrote: > Other '60's musical shows were Shindig and Hullabaloo. > Sonny and Cher (especially Cher) were also prone to fringe, and they might > be the earliest, around '65-'66. > -Helen/Aidan > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 15:38:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJcvZH005891 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:38:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TJcisD001537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:38:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJakjG046525; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:36:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJagB1007762; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TIPpkK038750 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:25:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03957 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:19:13 -0600 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:19:13 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Con: This weekend! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5a8a2aaa-74ef-4624-aba1-f5a496528b4e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460C15C5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm packing up now and will be taking off for Costume-Con in the morning. Of course, it's just a half-hour drive for me, so I figure I'm leaving later than a lot of other people! Who will be there tomorrow? I expect I will be looking at the exhibits and dealers and hanging out in hospitality during the afternoon, maybe taking in a panel or two, and will be at the Friday evening social at least long enough to scope out the costumes. I will be easy to spot; for both afternoon and evening I will be wearing a very silly version of my Gothic fitted dress suitable only for Costume-Con (consider it an in-joke for the historical costumers), and will be accompanied by a tall long-haired gentleman in a coordinating outfit. If anyone from h-cost sees me, please introduce yourself! A reminder to those who have a one-day membership for Saturday, or for that matter anyone else in the neighborhood: Friday attendance is FREE (except for the social, which will cost $5 if you go to that). So if you're in town, come on over for the afternoon and get the chance to cruise the site and people-watch. (If you're going to my lectures on Saturday, you won't have much time to check out the dealers, etc. so Friday would be a good day for that.) One-day members: I believe you should also be able to pick up your Saturday membership materials on Friday, saving you valuable time in the brief period between when the registration desk opens at 9am Saturday and my lectures begin at ... um ... 9am Saturday. OK, I'll start a little late to allow for the one-day-trippers to get their paperwork and badges! People not attending the con as members may also come for the big competition stage shows (the "masquerades") on Saturday night (f/sf) and Sunday night (historical), for $5 at the door. Well worth seeing. Info here: http://www.cc25.net/start.htm Remember that if you're registering at the door, bring a checkbook or cash. And yes, there's still room in my Saturday lectures for last-minute attendees. http://www.cc25.net/netherton.htm Forward at will... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 15:39:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJdbQT005913 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:39:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TJdPsm000969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:39:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJcJwK046782; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJcH4R009295; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJTmPb000991 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:29:16 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l2TJTGB01914 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:29:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 29 Mar 2007 14:29:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:29:15 -0500 References: <200703291814.l2TIERkP027838@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:29:00 -0500 Message-ID: <460BCD3C.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200703291814.l2TIERkP027838@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1960s-70s School Dress Codes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d5c0217b-ec4c-4b32-8782-dbfa50512cc0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460C15ED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you answer these questions, please let me know your location and the app. year you remember these fashions were worn to public elementary through high school: > >1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured >2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. >Pants-suits, hiphuggers? >3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair >4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went to high school in the late '60's, class of 1970 (just dated myself :) ). We lived in the greater Kansas City area (suburb on the Kansas side). I'm afraid I do not remember to much about boy's hair, altho some did have it a little shaggy. We didn't have anyone running around with a ruler but as a general rule skirts were not supposed to be to far above the knee. I remember some of the cheerleaders could get away with very short ones on game day. My mother made a lot of my clothes some hem length was her choice :). Naturally I rolled my waistlines :) :). What I do remember is pants for girls! We were not allowed to wear any all through my high school years and the seniors really started agitating for them. One of our arguments was that it was cold standing waiting for the bus :). To make a point, some of us wore maxi-skirts to school. Naturally, the year *after* I graduated they lifted the dress code and pretty much anything was fair game. I remember visiting a year later and it was a sea of denim! Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 15:42:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJgFE0005968 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:42:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TJg30A029715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:42:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJY429045996; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TJXvSC005078; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:33:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TGu5QB053986 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so214844nzf for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:56:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hsYLyVgETAUJ0i3cxnnsNCC7gAVJe+FqGPctIfFPuP7fzba4bhBaOijouZ+5Jxn1ukrz1k8s8UZBWbE/u61zzTw+jwbivhtMyAUVied7liRg7rJbb9iMBSKwGupzQp/UXF6iVTTldw5Sk99uxyEmbTVCUTYCz0Wo4Ful+Aw6YPk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VOrPtKJdtJwdYBYSaeiP96zmCxKlSmDvZGr/EUN7EqrBcj2huac+wTHf2XUY8SjUXW4n9Ohhq6SwfW8E9LVOSyo0s1NTK4EffDJGII8F/tO5m6+Sa0eh1nEEXiSFvJ60q65UzhtO4jgopJXh94XG7CL3qeVuesZ0NQn6vwDUoWE= Received: by 10.114.75.1 with SMTP id x1mr343885waa.1175187363791; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.131.18 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:56:03 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: re; [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b38fa4d2-98b6-40a3-9645-dfb8f5211f7d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460C168B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Subject: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes To: "h-costume" Message-ID: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >My students have been asking some really good questions. These questions I >only know the answers from personal experience. I lived in Mississippi at the >time and do not know if we were really far behind fashion or not. If you answer >these questions, please let me know your location and the app. year you >remember these fashions were worn to public elementary through high school: A very interesting question, I look forward to reading some of the other anecdotes. I was in elem school 1965-71 Washington DC area (Falls Church). I was in 7th&8th grade middle school 71-74 Washington DC area (Falls Church). I was in high school 74-76 Washington DC area (Falls Church). I was in elem school 76-78 American Community Schools, Athens Greece While some of the schools I went to were private, I did not go to any sort of religious school. 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured Not at my schools. None, neither country. My favorite dress 2nd grade was a mini-dress, double knit horizontal stripe (put your coffee down now) in wide hot pink, narrow lime green, wide volkwagen orange, narrow turquoise. I wore that thing until it was merely a shirt. In early HS, I had a midi that swirled. My mom made it in earth toned calico prints. 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? Always. I had a cord pantsuit with matching vest and paisley blouse in 5th or 6th grade. My mom made it for the church fashion show. It was keen! In 7th grade, oh say '71, I had hot pants (your medieval self would call it counter change)... left cheek royal purple, right cheek white. I had another pair of hot pants in volkwagen orange. My mom turned the jeans, hiphuggers of course, that I embroidered in 7th-8th grade (with dogs, cats, flowers) into pillows that still live on the rec room couch. I still have and can wear the jean jacket I embroidered in 11th grade history class. 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed I dont remember. If you need more data I can check the yearbooks, but that's an archaeology project in the garage! The mullet, tho that's not what it was called, was definitely a Big Thing. So was the big 'Fro. You didnt ask, but the prohibited items at my schools were (early on) things that might provoke racial tensions. Segregation had just started when I hit 1st grade. By the 70s, earing a Mod Squad T-shirt was ok, cuz that showed a mixed race team, for example. A hat in the style of Malcom X's ... not permited. There were race-based fights nearly every weekend from 8th grade onward. When Pol Pot's troupes overran Cambodia, the Boat People, many of them, ended up in the DC area on emergency political asylum visas. Suddenly the race based fights were the blacks+white vs the newcomers. When we moved to Athens, no particular clothing styles were prohibited. No symbols, religious or political, were banned. My HS graduation class had students of 31 nationalities in it. The school as a whole had over 40 nationalities. There really no way to legistate anything that wouldnt offend someone. The topic just never came up. Most of us were only staying for a few years with parents on govt tours of duty or corporate rotations; I suspect, perhaps unknowing, that the school administration realized that clothing of where a student came *from* was part of identity, identity is an issue for many teens... so leave well enough alone. Native language & accent & parents occupation identified us just fine... now those gang fights made DC look like a picnic. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 16:34:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TKYGvW006987 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:34:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TKY1pj025797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:34:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TKS2Kf053888; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:28:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TKRxkT051477; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:27:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TKRtar051339 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910BBC933D for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:27:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <460C2F90.7080305@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:28:48 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Con: This weekend! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > I'm packing up now and will be taking off for Costume-Con in the morning. > Of course, it's just a half-hour drive for me, so I figure I'm leaving > later than a lot of other people! > > Who will be there tomorrow? Will also be leaving in the morning, expecting to arrive just after noon. Got a bunch of trim to get sewn on my Saturday costume before tonight... I will probably be in jeans and a t-shirt Friday, except for the Social -- look for the brunette chick in the black spandex and red vinyl. :) Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 17:30:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLUXUC008089 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:30:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TLUKjq021798 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:30:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLTFRV063020; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLTB6A006755; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:29:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLT6wd006614 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ADD84192008E; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:21:28 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:28:51 -0700 Message-ID: <004501c77249$3f381e90$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: daeaa291-8150-4637-a42b-34cf0bf2fc70 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460C2FEC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO When I was a freshman in high school, 1968-1969, girls were not allowed = to wear long skirts or pants. This was at Menlo-Atherton, in Menlo Park, = CA, about 30 miles south of San Francisco. One of my friends, a sophomore, = wore a long blue skirt to school one day. She was called into the principal's office and told not to wear that skirt again. The next day, she wore a = long green skirt. Again she was called into the office. "I thought I told you = not to wear that skirt," said the principal. "I didn't," she replied. "That = one was blue. This is green." A few weeks after that, a lot of the girls = wore pants to school, protesting the "skirts only" rule. Miniskirts were = allowed. Girls argued that if minis were allowed, which showed off so much, we = should be able to wear long skirts and pants if we didn't want to be in skimpy skirts. Also, minis were cold in wintertime! The administration changed = the rules and we were allowed to wear long skirts and pants from then on. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:38 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes My students have been asking some really good questions. These = questions I only know the answers from personal experience. I lived in Mississippi = at the time and do not know if we were really far behind fashion or not. = If you answer these questions, please let me know your location and the = app. year you remember these fashions were worn to public elementary through = high school: 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured=20 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed 1. I recall in seventh grade, 1969-70, on the bus to school, I basted = girls' skirt hems up...on the way home I let the hems out. Needless to say, I = was fast at hemming. By 1972/73, we could wear very short baby doll dresses with bloomers underneath. 2. About 1970-71 (school year), we could wear pants suits similar to the Partridge Family to school. The tunic length was measured. Remember = the Susan Dey patterns? By spring that evolved to the pants under a short = dress (ironically in fashion now YUCK!) By autumn 1971, we could wear blue = jeans and hip-huggers. 3. Fall 1971 guy could wear long hair but no facial hair. 4. 74/75 school year, guys could wear facial hair.=20 I remember vividly specifics about when these became fashionable in our area. I sewed around the clock for my sisters and myself to stay on top = of fashion. My senior year, the boys @ school raked me over the coals for being the first to wear a midi shirt. I was so hurt that I went home = and cut it up with scissors. A few years ago, a girl friend for that school found my website. She wrote that she always knew that I would go into fashion career because she loved that skirt. She described the skirt = style and print of fabric perfectly 25 years later. I still have the pattern = and wish I had the fabric!=20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 17:38:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLcc5T008246 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:38:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TLcPU9031530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:38:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLXCec063656; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:33:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLXAwA010459; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLX7PC010405 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:33:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AECC41D4008E; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:25:32 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:32:55 -0700 Message-ID: <004601c77249$d0a323c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea531209-0412-44d8-b849-13b0270c84fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460C31D1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO One other thing. In high school, I wore a skirt of mine that I had originally worn when I was four years old. It had been below knee = length by a couple of inches when I was four. My waist was small, so in high = school, I wore it as a mini. I also wore my mom's old ice skating skirt as a mini. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:38 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes My students have been asking some really good questions. These = questions I only know the answers from personal experience. I lived in Mississippi = at the time and do not know if we were really far behind fashion or not. = If you answer these questions, please let me know your location and the = app. year you remember these fashions were worn to public elementary through = high school: 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured=20 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed 1. I recall in seventh grade, 1969-70, on the bus to school, I basted = girls' skirt hems up...on the way home I let the hems out. Needless to say, I = was fast at hemming. By 1972/73, we could wear very short baby doll dresses with bloomers underneath. 2. About 1970-71 (school year), we could wear pants suits similar to the Partridge Family to school. The tunic length was measured. Remember = the Susan Dey patterns? By spring that evolved to the pants under a short = dress (ironically in fashion now YUCK!) By autumn 1971, we could wear blue = jeans and hip-huggers. 3. Fall 1971 guy could wear long hair but no facial hair. 4. 74/75 school year, guys could wear facial hair.=20 I remember vividly specifics about when these became fashionable in our area. I sewed around the clock for my sisters and myself to stay on top = of fashion. My senior year, the boys @ school raked me over the coals for being the first to wear a midi shirt. I was so hurt that I went home = and cut it up with scissors. A few years ago, a girl friend for that school found my website. She wrote that she always knew that I would go into fashion career because she loved that skirt. She described the skirt = style and print of fabric perfectly 25 years later. I still have the pattern = and wish I had the fabric!=20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 17:42:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLg4Pe008312 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:42:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TLfprp005286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:41:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLd1lR064488; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLcwpO015627; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TLcNaW015149 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A00B1B010564; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:30:51 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:38:14 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c7724a$8ee38410$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d655f0a7-b0c2-46b1-84a6-8efae213523e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460C329F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Since we were so close to SF, and the Haight-Ashbury area, long hair was allowed. I don't remember hearing of any guy getting hassled about the length of his hair. In eight grade, we had one kid who looked like a = member of the Stones. He had long hair, wore jeans, love beads and a fringed leather jacket. He was the only one, though. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:38 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes My students have been asking some really good questions. These = questions I only know the answers from personal experience. I lived in Mississippi = at the time and do not know if we were really far behind fashion or not. = If you answer these questions, please let me know your location and the = app. year you remember these fashions were worn to public elementary through = high school: 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured=20 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed 1. I recall in seventh grade, 1969-70, on the bus to school, I basted = girls' skirt hems up...on the way home I let the hems out. Needless to say, I = was fast at hemming. By 1972/73, we could wear very short baby doll dresses with bloomers underneath. 2. About 1970-71 (school year), we could wear pants suits similar to the Partridge Family to school. The tunic length was measured. Remember = the Susan Dey patterns? By spring that evolved to the pants under a short = dress (ironically in fashion now YUCK!) By autumn 1971, we could wear blue = jeans and hip-huggers. 3. Fall 1971 guy could wear long hair but no facial hair. 4. 74/75 school year, guys could wear facial hair.=20 I remember vividly specifics about when these became fashionable in our area. I sewed around the clock for my sisters and myself to stay on top = of fashion. My senior year, the boys @ school raked me over the coals for being the first to wear a midi shirt. I was so hurt that I went home = and cut it up with scissors. A few years ago, a girl friend for that school found my website. She wrote that she always knew that I would go into fashion career because she loved that skirt. She described the skirt = style and print of fabric perfectly 25 years later. I still have the pattern = and wish I had the fabric!=20 =20 Penny Ladnier,=20 Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 18:16:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TMGHDP009140 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:16:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TMG4mp008693 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:16:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TMDJBJ069689; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:13:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TMDHcP044291; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:13:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cluster1.echolabs.net (smtp-out.echolabs.net [216.52.118.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TMD6m3044081 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Cloudmark http://www.messagepartners.com X-Scanned-On: fe2 X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://www.messagepartners.com Received: from [64.186.88.85] (account basyefelton@floodcity.net) by be2.cluster1.echolabs.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0.11) with HTTP id 5959302 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:13:01 -0400 From: "Kirsten Felton" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0.11 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:13:01 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703291441.l2TEfiQI026952@net.indra.com> References: <200703291441.l2TEfiQI026952@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 rep=3% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:School Dress codes 60'-70' X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dece590c-81f1-4a79-9810-09043cb05c9b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460C3AA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I began Jr High in '66. The dress code was slacks for boys, Dresses no shorter than three inches from the floor when you kneeled for girls. No pants or jeans for girls. I can remember the assistant principal walking around with a ruler, and the head cheer leader kneeling in the hall nearly every day. She was very petite so 3 inches from the floor was half way to the hip on her. she got sent home more than once. Hair length I don't remember much about. In senior high I sat near a long haired drug addict. My kids tell me he was probably high on weed, but it was every day and bad enough for ME to recognize it so it was bad.... but anyway, He was allowed to come with long hair so I know it was allowed. We had a teacher who wore the bell bottoms and tunic combo, so I'm sure it was allowed. this was in Colorado springs, CO. As a senior in '72, I sneaked the pants to a pants suit out of the house so I could wear pants to school. I was in school in rural PA that year. They were allowed in school but not by MOM. This wasn't a hippy pants suit though, it was a corduroy pants suit. Hope this helped. Kitty in Somerset, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 18:39:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TMdsXH009594 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:39:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2TMdfE8024562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:39:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TMcvQS073717; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:38:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TMcqMT066179; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2TMcmbl066126 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:38:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1260971075 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:38:47 -0500 Message-ID: <017601c77253$0b31e5e0$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200703291441.l2TEfiQI026952@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re:School Dress codes 60'-70' Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:38:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 461a99dd-9cae-47e8-9a46-4acbed222a7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460C402D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > As a senior in '72, I sneaked the pants to a pants suit out of the house > so I could wear pants to school. I was in school in rural PA that year. > They were allowed in school but not by MOM. This wasn't a hippy pants > suit though, it was a corduroy pants suit. Hope this helped. Okay, for someone who didn't start kindergarten until 1967, please tell me what a "hippy pants suit" is -- when I think pants suit, I think of the mono-chrome polyester numbers worn by disco kings and Mrs. Brady. FWIW, "disco" persisted into the middle 80s in small midwestern towns. The clothes changed and the music changed, but when it was time to meet friends, we always asked -- Going to the Disco this weekend? Mirrored ball and strobe lights still there, updated with music videos on big-screen tv. Denise B Iowa _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 22:26:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2QSfb015513 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:26:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2U2QF8w008183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:26:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2KHCe099029; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2KCCp007413; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2K8q8007321 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:20:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc2-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:20:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:20:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:19:59 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:19:46 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c77271$e316ed70$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acdxbr3rp2k4vobgRLKFqFk4cySyVABAw08g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2007 02:20:03.0122 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECB0A920:01C77271] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fa98614-b38c-4242-a36d-f67c7b6a9d74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460C7547.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Anyone know what books have good reproductions of the following images: Holbein's English Burgher's wife (In color - I have it in black and white) http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 http://www.allposters.com/-sp/A-Fete-at-Bermondsey-circa-1570-Posters_i13478 95_.htm Thanks, Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 22:49:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2nnPf016290 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:49:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2U2nbbk017705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:49:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2lQ0x003029; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:47:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2lPVh024599; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:47:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp1.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2U2lMnT024565 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200703300247.l2U2lMnT024565@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 5938 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2007 19:47:21 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 5798, pid: 5932, t: 4.4137s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:42/d:2665 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp1 with SMTP; 29 Mar 2007 19:47:17 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:44:57 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on qsmtp1.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.3 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1548dc2a-e4bb-43bc-b5b4-2c8e3cbe3cd6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460C7AC1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 07:19 PM 3/29/2007, you wrote: >Anyone know what books have good reproductions of the following images: > > > >Holbein's English Burgher's wife (In color - I have it in black and white) >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg I don't think that this was ever done in color. It's a sketch. > > >A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 > >http://www.allposters.com/-sp/A-Fete-at-Bermondsey-circa-1570-Posters_i13478 >95_.htm Really nice posters, but pricey. I've not seen any large reproductions in books, just bits of it. The smallest size poster is still larger than I have seen in any book. When the entire picture is shown, it's very small (maybe 1/2 page). I wish someone would do a calendar with it. >Thanks, > >Sg Good luck on your searching. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Mar 29 23:00:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U30VKK016733 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:00:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2U30GaV020245 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:00:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2xtlj005707; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:59:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2xstF035245; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.89]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U2xpgp035203 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:59:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SRS0=XbGY3/=JC=benchite.com=megan@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailscan38.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.38] helo=mailscan38.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1HX7LC-0000Tl-MU for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:59:50 -0400 Received: from authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.11] ident=exim) by mailscan38.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1HX7LC-0000qZ-Ml for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:59:50 -0400 Received: from authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.11] helo=authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan38.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1HX7LC-0000qW-6O for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:59:50 -0400 Received: from c-69-138-4-46.hsd1.md.comcast.net ([69.138.4.46] helo=[192.168.1.201]) by authsmtp11.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1HX7LC-00077C-3y for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:59:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Megan Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:04:25 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-EN-UserInfo: aee0812f62e51b1daca100f4a85e249e:b9330c256c7a49b4fc210418bef22946 X-EN-AuthUser: mmchugh X-EN-OrigIP: 69.138.4.46 X-EN-OrigHost: c-69-138-4-46.hsd1.md.comcast.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85d3c19c-bc55-4192-8475-eaa124e5a4f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460C7D40.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I remember in 2nd grade it was a special permission for us to wear pants to school on the day we made paper mache dinosaurs because girls could not wear pants for any reason. That would have been the 1970-71 school year. The next year in 3rd grade we could wear pants, so that would have been late 1971. By 7th grade jeans were ok. I don't remember about mini skirts and facial hair, being in elementary school. This was suburban Pittsburgh, PA. -Megan On Mar 29, 2007, at 4:37 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > My students have been asking some really good questions. These > questions I only know the answers from personal experience. I > lived in Mississippi at the time and do not know if we were really > far behind fashion or not. If you answer these questions, please > let me know your location and the app. year you remember these > fashions were worn to public elementary through high school: > > 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured > 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to > school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? > 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair > 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed > > 1. I recall in seventh grade, 1969-70, on the bus to school, I > basted girls' skirt hems up...on the way home I let the hems out. > Needless to say, I was fast at hemming. By 1972/73, we could wear > very short baby doll dresses with bloomers underneath. > > 2. About 1970-71 (school year), we could wear pants suits similar > to the Partridge Family to school. The tunic length was measured. > Remember the Susan Dey patterns? By spring that evolved to the > pants under a short dress (ironically in fashion now YUCK!) By > autumn 1971, we could wear blue jeans and hip-huggers. > > 3. Fall 1971 guy could wear long hair but no facial hair. > > 4. 74/75 school year, guys could wear facial hair. > > I remember vividly specifics about when these became fashionable in > our area. I sewed around the clock for my sisters and myself to > stay on top of fashion. My senior year, the boys @ school raked me > over the coals for being the first to wear a midi shirt. I was so > hurt that I went home and cut it up with scissors. A few years > ago, a girl friend for that school found my website. She wrote > that she always knew that I would go into fashion career because > she loved that skirt. She described the skirt style and print of > fabric perfectly 25 years later. I still have the pattern and wish > I had the fabric! > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 00:13:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U4DMJm018593 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:13:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2U4D96a004959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:13:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U4AhpQ015552; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:10:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U4AfgC078487; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:10:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2U4AckG078415 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:10:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44595 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2007 04:10:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wwQl+a46CYkQ46MjMWkSR+ctHTntYgr3FriOd2Z/+KPCNQzqtV4RqdWYEbVufHKxgtMH+j/hUiQSmqZItKMS/+pnkXgfmF5IfKx4agtZPTRwVxg49YnZXMdJZtTU97QiTCZdtFIm+1bJJHhmlPJQp7LBpc12emJ7NFoE8ozaFPg=; X-YMail-OSG: nD.K4.kVM1lj1qiNkE8KV2jvtKr4o3Tq5WJFgiTID7Dxv4q3tazGdJV4lFWvVrQLAFaAd6BuRiuXrspJufzfJlyPNki0Jk5wFDaOymOQmM0JtRkqthihih2fB.Lr8w-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:10:33 PDT Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:10:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <48776.43087.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbd4a8c0-fcae-4909-8226-8264ce9eacae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460C8E55.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The first I've only found in color here: Tate Britain's Holbein in England exhibit, A Young Englishwoman http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibitions/holbein/rooms/room6.htm There is a book that goes with the exhibit Holbein in England (Paperback) by Susan Foister (Author) ISBN-10: 1854376454 I do not know if that would have a color version. Perhaps Suzi knows, as I think she has a copy of this book from the exhibit. As to the second, I've only found small versions in my books, and only pricey posters $50+US that show it at a decent size. I had to do a 200% scan of the one I have online, and I think the page I scanned it from was about a half a page, and I don't remember which book I got it from. Kimiko WickedFrau wrote: Holbein's English Burgher's wife (In color - I have it in black and white) http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 00:43:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U4hfo2019214 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:43:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2U4hSeC018061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:43:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U4eC0j019214; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:40:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U4eAjV094400; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U4e6K0094306 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:40:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA55C940F for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:40:00 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <460CA2F0.6050605@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:41:04 -0600 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. References: <48776.43087.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <48776.43087.qm@web32207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9954554a-ae9b-4bf4-a940-3f4b511b2c0a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460C9570.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 03:29:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U7TnGv016049 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:29:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2U7TaRC018914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:29:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U7QEKe035982; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:26:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U7QAVE074578; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:26:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cluster1.echolabs.net (smtp-out.echolabs.net [216.52.118.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U7Q7Ua074489 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Cloudmark http://www.messagepartners.com X-Scanned-On: fe2 X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://www.messagepartners.com Received: from [64.186.88.75] (account basyefelton@floodcity.net) by be2.cluster1.echolabs.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0.11) with HTTP id 5961393 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:26:01 -0400 From: "Kirsten Felton" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0.11 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703300440.l2U4eAnD094406@net.indra.com> References: <200703300440.l2U4eAnD094406@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] "hippie" pants-suit vs. Corduroy pants-suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ee8bdcca-a31f-45cf-98f4-a3c8bad46ac4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460CBC60.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:38:59 -0500 From: "Land of Oz" > They were allowed in school but not by MOM. This wasn't a hippy pants > suit though, it was a corduroy pants suit. Hope this helped. Okay, for someone who didn't start kindergarten until 1967, please tell me what a "hippy pants suit" is -- when I think pants suit, I think of the mono-chrome polyester numbers worn by disco kings and Mrs. Brady. Well, that's sort of what I meant. In '71-'72, I had a brown corduroy pants suit given to me, with a plain jacket similar to what would still be worn today. conservative, flared or straight legged slacks, etc. This would be as opposed to a pants suit with bell bottoms, matching or coordinated tunic top, Funky color combinations, prints. In fact, at that time, I wouldn't have even considered this style a pants suit, even though now I can see why everyone is refering to it as such. Kitty _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 04:52:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U8q4ms027163 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:52:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2U8ppZh003646 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:51:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U8nTsc043376; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:49:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U8nQbU016884; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.32]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U8nMaB016816 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:49:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CABZsDEbUSnIM/2dsb2JhbAA Received: from [212.139.69.205] (port=1081 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HXClg-000EFU-TQ for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:49:15 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070330094015.0122ddf8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:42:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 03:19 30/03/2007, you wrote: >Anyone know what books have good reproductions of the following images: > > > >Holbein's English Burgher's wife (In color - I have it in black and white) >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg > > > >A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 > > > >http://www.allposters.com/-sp/A-Fete-at-Bermondsey-circa-1570-Posters_i13478 >95_.htm I was at the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford a couple of weeks ago, and they sell a postcard of the Holbein painting. I know that there is also a postcard of the Fete at Bermondsey, and possibly a poster, but I forget which stately home owns it. They are always happy to post stuff, at least in my experience. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 04:52:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U8qRbf027281 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:52:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2U8qEx1032751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:52:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U8pH3a043565; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:51:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U8pGt1017760; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:51:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U8pCN6017697 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CANprDEbUSnIM/2dsb2JhbAA Received: from [212.139.69.205] (port=1081 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HXCnM-000EFU-Go for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:51:06 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070330094300.0367e548@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:45:10 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. In-Reply-To: <200703300247.l2U2lMnT024565@net.indra.com> References: <200703300247.l2U2lMnT024565@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3d90cc6-a715-40ca-8a94-f2834ad83e21 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460CCFBE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 03:44 30/03/2007, you wrote: >At 07:19 PM 3/29/2007, you wrote: >>Anyone know what books have good reproductions of the following images: >> >> >> >>Holbein's English Burgher's wife (In color - I have it in black and white) >>http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg > >I don't think that this was ever done in color. It's a sketch. This is in colour - she has an orangey red petticoat/underskirt, a grey dress, and a pale yellow "sash". It's in pen and ink with watercolour washes. Suzi >>A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 >> >>http://www.allposters.com/-sp/A-Fete-at-Bermondsey-circa-1570-Posters_i13478 >>95_.htm > >Really nice posters, but pricey. I've not seen any large >reproductions in books, just bits of it. The smallest size poster >is still larger than I have seen in any book. When the entire >picture is shown, it's very small (maybe 1/2 page). I wish someone >would do a calendar with it. > >>Thanks, >> >>Sg > >Good luck on your searching. > > >Joan Jurancich >joanmj@surewest.net >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 05:29:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U9TfH9001098 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:29:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2U9TSIa026066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:29:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U9MTaY046603; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U9MRMq032784; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:22:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2U9MNKQ032740 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.26920603; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:22:11 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l2U9M9Y11836.; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:22:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:22:09 +0100 Message-Id: <460CE4BB02000014000CE7BB@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:21:47 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes References: <200703300440.l2U4eAnF094406@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200703300440.l2U4eAnF094406@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 196ff8c5-c164-4dde-8a66-89c6114fb77c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460CD878.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I left school (near Derby, England) in 1969. I can't remember the maximum distance above the knee that we were allowed to wear our skirts (probably 3 in.), but I remember a row of girls kneeling along the edge of the stage in the school hall to have their skirts measured. Although I'm slim, I have short, stocky legs so I couldn't wear my skirts very far above the knee without risking showing too much! Trousers were definitely not allowed, neither was jewellery other than a wristwatch, and long hair had to be tied up ("bunches" being the favourite style). It was a girls' school, so I can't tell you about rules for boys, but I don't remember seeing a schoolboy with a moustache, then or since. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 06:30:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UAUVkS012476 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:30:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UAUIB3004687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:30:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UAOvm0051463; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:24:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UAOsno063031; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:24:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UAOoKc062940 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:24:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.10.) id 6.be3.f49b92d (30738) for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:24:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:24:37 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Busby Berkeley Films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac20b98e-02de-4833-ad59-2b1df0fb79ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460CE6BA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO you should be able to find out the titles of other busby berkely films at _www.imdb.com_ (http://www.imdb.com) (click on 'biographies on the left, enter his name into the search box, and then click his name in the search results - it'llbring up his filmography, as well as telling you what he did on that film). The Fred Astaire / Ginger Rogers film about Vernon and Irene Castle was the Barkelys of Broadway, made in 1949, though it's more fiction than reality. debs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 08:19:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UCJsjY030570 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:19:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UCJfsd022145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:19:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UC7IU3061692; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:07:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UC7DOw017255; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:07:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UC7CWR017230 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from katybishop64@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so671121wra for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=g5TjqKAkgND7r1e6qR9pgsy9pbI8iKNMAkdVDKHjCFPv8ZOS2T/yJRwGYoNjfMjTVN7MMdjK9AbiNnkNnL5YcmY1Mwg4HdpJISxSbXsik4DY+0013NywGRuCt3XyeS5339qWzi5D3BLHuwFPs5csnhoPoXFksyd6KKRmMc44DFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=N2FC2s4byPnaMpeUGqZqkH3yfgK8tREGovoKDBLfg482zzOXoi7BEHpZ+RcFtTuufZLhaURRiYv9cl7n6E1UyhNnuw3DexaXX1QkH2vCfXTkcs7thRePyaClkFY0Sie/nUbBpgSQX+zU+t2GY3mphwpnfY113i+h6L4NX5y2Rpg= Received: by 10.114.155.1 with SMTP id c1mr706501wae.1175256431474; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.78.3 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3586f5070703300507q4174ae8cr369c69e9b89c07@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:07:11 -0500 From: "Katy Bishop" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Vernon and Irene castle Re: [h-cost] Busby Berkeley Films MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81b343bf-fdde-46fb-955f-7c62f00ee531 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460D005D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The Astaire/Rogers film is entitled "The Story of Vernon and Irene Castle" Costume Content: Just last week a dress, 1920s, came up on ebay from the Irene Castle line of clothing: http://cgi.ebay.com/1920s-Corticelli-Silk-IRENE-CASTLE-Label-Flapper-Dress_W0QQitemZ220094326575QQcategoryZ48866QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Katy On 3/29/07, Cin wrote: > >Wasn't there a Fred Astaire film about Vernon and Irene Castle? > >Monica > "The Whirl of Life" after a "biography" film of Vernon and Irene, by > the same title. The biography is a fabrication, except for the part > where V&I are dance teachers. It's one of the best sources for > ragtime dance styling around. I believe the Met Museum owns the last > original print. There's many copies, tho. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian katybishop64@gmail.com www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 08:37:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UCbBnP031043 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:37:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UCawnH017903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:37:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UCZwgp065080; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UCZuMx036356; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:35:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UCZr9x036317 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.20.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.20] helo=faucet.net) by pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HXGKe-0004OA-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:35:53 -0400 Message-ID: <460D2015.3080307@faucet.net> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:35:01 -0600 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 The largest version of this that I have seen in a book is (perhaps necessarily) a detail and does not show the whole thing. It cuts off the last three people standing on the left and everyone past the first two girls with the big round cakes on the right. It's in The Horizon Book of the Elizabethan World by Lacey Baldwin Smith (New York: American Heritage Publishing Co., 1967), p. 146. The image is about a foot square. The original painting is at Hatfield House, for those who'd like to write the Marquess of Salisbury to inquire. If anyone finds a cheaper source for posters, please let me know! This is a fantastic image. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 09:32:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDWnv8004041 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:32:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UDWasb009942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:32:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDV8Qa074155; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:31:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDV7QJ079627; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:31:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDV4kX079545 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:31:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.15]) by bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:31:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:31:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:30:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:30:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c772cf$a3c40dc0$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <460D2015.3080307@faucet.net> Thread-Index: AcdyyAsu8h/tEYmqS8CMMEpZhSacTQAB3Z0g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2007 13:31:03.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[A97B3810:01C772CF] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42b30f18-4450-4011-a2da-424f6be4a11f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460D1174.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I thought it was in this book. I thumbed through about 5 times and never managed to find it...thanks for the page number! Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 7:35 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. > A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 The largest version of this that I have seen in a book is (perhaps necessarily) a detail and does not show the whole thing. It cuts off the last three people standing on the left and everyone past the first two girls with the big round cakes on the right. It's in The Horizon Book of the Elizabethan World by Lacey Baldwin Smith (New York: American Heritage Publishing Co., 1967), p. 146. The image is about a foot square. The original painting is at Hatfield House, for those who'd like to write the Marquess of Salisbury to inquire. If anyone finds a cheaper source for posters, please let me know! This is a fantastic image. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 09:34:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDYcuE004078 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:34:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UDYPOc022520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:34:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDWfsm074416; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDWfw7080870; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDWclJ080761 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.23]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:32:33 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:32:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:32:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:32:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c772cf$d9f35c70$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070330094015.0122ddf8@suziclarke.co.uk> Thread-Index: AcdyqHEL+seMvDsMSyWGvE4b+u6pygAJ0DYg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2007 13:32:33.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF322270:01C772CF] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8f4dd52-8be8-4d88-bad6-1cccd33c25d9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 460D11E1.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Aha! I will write the museum. Those postcards are fabulous. I got one of Elizabeth Buxton, scanned it at high resolution, and was able to see lots of details. Thanks! Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 1:43 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. At 03:19 30/03/2007, you wrote: >Anyone know what books have good reproductions of the following images: > > > >Holbein's English Burgher's wife (In color - I have it in black and white) >http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg > > > >A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 > > > >http://www.allposters.com/-sp/A-Fete-at-Bermondsey-circa-1570-Posters_i1347 8 >95_.htm I was at the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford a couple of weeks ago, and they sell a postcard of the Holbein painting. I know that there is also a postcard of the Fete at Bermondsey, and possibly a poster, but I forget which stately home owns it. They are always happy to post stuff, at least in my experience. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 10:28:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UESccT005069 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:28:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UESPlY017873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:28:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDRs4E073572; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDRpb1077071; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:27:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UDRlSF077029 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.161] (pm5-161.eos.net [205.133.149.161]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l2UDRjBc008052 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:27:46 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:09:24 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200703291441.l2TEfiQI026952@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: the castles and busby berkley X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51124358-206a-4d7c-982b-190693707691 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460D1E89.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Is that "Gold Diggers" movie the one with the neon violins? I love that one! Irene Castle wrote a book called "My Husband," which I once read. She came across as a real pain in the neck! But of course she wrote about him as a saint. I love the Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers movie about them. It has one of my all-time favorite Astaire solo dances, the one he does to "By the Light of the Silvery Moon," and the dance they do when they're starving to "Tres Moutard," and of course the saddest, most romantic ending... Oh, I think I'm going to have to go watch it. I used to do a lot of vintage ballroom dance, and their dancing in that movie is much closer to real ballroom dancing than in any of their other movies, and to real dancing of the nineteen-teens. If I remember correctly, Irene Castle consulted on the dancing and was never happy with Ginger Rogers playing her. Costume content: The movie does show Irene bob her hair in the famous Castle Bob, and her famous Dutch cap. And she wears some killer dresses. Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 11:42:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UFggAG006300 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:42:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UFgT94011731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:42:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UFcOiv026384; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UFcIrr025329; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UFcCgh025212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HXJB1-00027g-Ko; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:38:07 -0500 Received: from 160.36.154.221 ([160.36.154.221]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: <20070330113807.mtpr6o6ysug4ocso@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:38:07 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > WickedFrau wrote: > Holbein's English Burgher's wife (In color - I have it in black and white) > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg > > A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 > Saragrace, I don't remember off the top of my head what book I scanned these from, but here's my collection of Bermondsey images ..... The first 4 images are 2Megabytes or better -- one is 3.6, I think. The quality of the image wasn't very good -- the printing screen was overly visible. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel1.jpg http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel2.jpg http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel3.jpg http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel4.jpg Hope this helps! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 12:23:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UGNLDG006906 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:23:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UGN8dh025735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:23:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UGLxOx034045; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:21:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UGLs7w066896; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:21:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UGLpq3066767 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc2-s40.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:21:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:21:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:21:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:21:37 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c772e7$7d7d1630$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20070330113807.mtpr6o6ysug4ocso@www.goldsword.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acdy4Z7AskPmUVMpR1KvvDkzRQETFwABaM+A X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2007 16:21:46.0342 (UTC) FILETIME=[82F47860:01C772E7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e539418-72e0-469d-8c50-8c1a90ecdacd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460D396C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My goodness - this helps a lot! Thank you! I am contacting the Bridgeman Art Library who has them in High resolution...who knows what they will cost. Thank you so much for sharing... Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Susan B. Farmer Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:38 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. > > WickedFrau wrote: > Holbein's English Burgher's wife (In color - I have it in black and white) > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/english.jpg > > A Fete at Bermondsey, Jorges Hoefnagle, 1575 > Saragrace, I don't remember off the top of my head what book I scanned these from, but here's my collection of Bermondsey images ..... The first 4 images are 2Megabytes or better -- one is 3.6, I think. The quality of the image wasn't very good -- the printing screen was overly visible. http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel1.jpg http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel2.jpg http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel3.jpg http://epee.goldsword.com/sfarmer/SCA/Paintings/hoefnagel4.jpg Hope this helps! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 17:07:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UL7GWI010973 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:07:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UL73uK011887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:07:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UL6JWd082752; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UL69qs019369; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:06:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UL65BO019306 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l2UL63F31433 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:06:03 -0500 To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <1175288763.460d7bbbb6ee5@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:06:03 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8ab34bc-8b19-424f-9a89-bb6859d8edb4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 460D7BF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A local interior design store is moving, and is selling off all of their outdated swatches, cheap. I picked up a bunch of nice pieces to play with, and I was wondering if anybody had any tricks for removing the glued-on lables? Some are so old that the glue has turned to powder and the lables just come off. Some I was able to peel off, leaving a minimum of sticky residue behind. Some are nice, new lables that aren't interested in leaving; like the one on the spectrum of silk drapery swatches that I was hoping to use to make a nifty quilt. I have one soaking in water, now. Does anyone have any suggestions for removing stickers from fabric? (Warm iron to soften glue? Freeze it to harden the glue?) I do have enough that I can sacrifce a few for the sake of experimentation. Emma, now the proud owner of one small, faded piece of Scalamandre silk brocade! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 18:22:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMMvat012300 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:22:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UMMiLD011792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:22:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMJVQG091991; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMJPZP076848; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMJLb9076782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HXPRM-0002LU-C9; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:19:24 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:19:24 -0400 Message-ID: <20070330181924.84vrhv1wzcys4ow0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:19:24 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. 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I view it sorts of like my collection of Genealogy Photos -- I can enjoy them, but it's ever so much fun to spread the joy around! :-) susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 18:26:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMQRJN012351 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:26:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UMQEDT026929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:26:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMLbBQ092184; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:21:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMLaBn078567; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMLWIP078521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:21:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HXPTT-0004BV-2c; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:21:35 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:21:35 -0400 Message-ID: <20070330182135.0kczlmr2jzzwg8so@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:21:35 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Books with these images in them. 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I am contacting the Bridgeman > Art Library who has them in High resolution...who knows what they will cost. > Thank you so much for sharing... > Oh, yeah -- let us know what you find out! susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 18:46:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMkPan012727 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:46:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2UMkCjw021613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:46:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMgEg5094709; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:42:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMgDVu093408; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMg98B093317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:42:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1CC74846E5; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:42:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C98846DF for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:42:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:42:10 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000201c7731c$a757dbe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <200703301900.l2UJ06De012998@net.indra.com> Thread-Index: AcdzDbdGV2wM6sP2RaGdtLHDM/KQhQADeQsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=72% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE:"hippie" pants-suit vs. Corduroy pants-suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdc0dacd-a6f4-4a91-8dae-3c4eeac54fdb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460D9334.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You know, I can understand your outrage, but this way actually is fine with me. If they just put the outdated samples out in a box, I would never have known; this particular place is off my beaten path. The iron seems to be helping loosen the glue, but if I let it get too hot it just soaks into the fabric. I think (maybe) if I find the perfect temperature, I can get it to let go of the fabric while still gripping the paper. (On the other hand, in terms of time spent, it might be "cheaper" to just buy a few inches of a hundred different silks!) Quoting REBECCA BURCH : > Selling the discontinued samples???? (read outrage > here) My local decorator just sets the outdated > samples in a box outside her door free for the taking. > I asked her the first time I saw them - she said it > was easier and cheaper than filling up her dumpster > and paying the dump fee. I have such fun with them - > book covers, gift bags, vests, lap robes - all kinds > of stuff. > > In my experience, no one method works for all samples. > Different companies use different glues and they seem > to react differently on various fibers. Some didn't > want to let go at all so I ended up just trimming the > end with the label off. > > Good Luck. > Rebecca > --- 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > > > > > A local interior design store is moving, and is > > selling off all of their > > outdated swatches, cheap. I picked up a bunch of > > nice pieces to play with, and > > I was wondering if anybody had any tricks for > > removing the glued-on lables? > > Some are so old that the glue has turned to powder > > and the lables just come off. > > Some I was able to peel off, leaving a minimum of > > sticky residue behind. Some > > are nice, new lables that aren't interested in > > leaving; like the one on the > > spectrum of silk drapery swatches that I was hoping > > to use to make a nifty > > quilt. I have one soaking in water, now. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for removing > > stickers from fabric? (Warm iron > > to soften glue? Freeze it to harden the glue?) I do > > have enough that I can > > sacrifce a few for the sake of experimentation. > > > > Emma, now the proud owner of one small, faded piece > > of Scalamandre silk brocade! > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > Rebecca Burch > Center Valley Farm > Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA > > The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat > folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 20:17:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0HO06014013 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:17:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2V0HB72002803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:17:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0CwtA004030; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:12:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0CqvX051283; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0CmrP051164 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.c49.cf4a57c (14457) for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:12:37 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5361 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e139bdd-43ca-47ab-96ea-e06e9ff825b8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460DA888.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 3/30/2007 5:07:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu writes: Does anyone have any suggestions for removing stickers from fabric? (Warm iron to soften glue? Freeze it to harden the glue?) I do have enough that I can sacrifce a few for the sake of experimentation. It would probably leave marks on silk, but I've had some luck with Goo Gone--it gets the glue out, and then you can wash it out of washable fabrics. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 20:27:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0RV5L014109 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:27:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2V0RIIL008469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:27:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMgmWM094793; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:42:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2UMglr4093836; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:42:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.129]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2UMgiLS093721 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:42:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ctrvlyfarm@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 45102 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2007 22:42:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5Io5r80UAJEJlnIULvDO51sFSNwZGKLsewu6dnvd22+X+U0UOmlrSHzbD0X/iLo4IFTV1dL7SVQPX05YK1+Db2KmQAIFH3J44wtp/yclT/D3gcAZ2YhEpxeOOc8sbGwmIyPhyZPxadH2RQ08Wb7hvudLz6tw5cHDEwODA5mV9ws=; X-YMail-OSG: PmhWfDQVM1l7PNqCa6az6rY1Wk0l7.HP2_G1GOnkAXAPNqyAoc0gViWg.Me3DzhShmGHWlAcLzLCYKnI1ta3BRPqBjKfeOyYAVT5oC2BtB8oDAcwHp0- Received: from [69.211.221.33] by web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:42:38 PDT Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: REBECCA BURCH Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <1175288763.460d7bbbb6ee5@webmail02.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <857464.45049.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d620004d-9af7-4891-9d70-a05de5f0d897 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 460DAAE6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Selling the discontinued samples???? (read outrage here) My local decorator just sets the outdated samples in a box outside her door free for the taking. I asked her the first time I saw them - she said it was easier and cheaper than filling up her dumpster and paying the dump fee. I have such fun with them - book covers, gift bags, vests, lap robes - all kinds of stuff. In my experience, no one method works for all samples. Different companies use different glues and they seem to react differently on various fibers. Some didn't want to let go at all so I ended up just trimming the end with the label off. Good Luck. Rebecca --- 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > > A local interior design store is moving, and is > selling off all of their > outdated swatches, cheap. I picked up a bunch of > nice pieces to play with, and > I was wondering if anybody had any tricks for > removing the glued-on lables? > Some are so old that the glue has turned to powder > and the lables just come off. > Some I was able to peel off, leaving a minimum of > sticky residue behind. Some > are nice, new lables that aren't interested in > leaving; like the one on the > spectrum of silk drapery swatches that I was hoping > to use to make a nifty > quilt. I have one soaking in water, now. > > Does anyone have any suggestions for removing > stickers from fabric? (Warm iron > to soften glue? Freeze it to harden the glue?) I do > have enough that I can > sacrifce a few for the sake of experimentation. > > Emma, now the proud owner of one small, faded piece > of Scalamandre silk brocade! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 20:49:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0nNDX014331 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:49:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2V0n9u2021524 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:49:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0mZCE008012; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0mXJr072133; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2V0mTKl072017 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDA5M8CALTLAGS for (sender ); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:48:02 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhglKh9nwoXmTfml7lJc/0UNA= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MH5EE3KG; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:47:15 PST To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:46:47 -0800 Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue Message-ID: <20070330.174649.3328.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:1492599216 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c12f1698-5fee-46af-8782-f656286d17c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 460DB006.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Emma, You might try soaking them overnight first and see if the labels and goo can be scraped off. Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 20:55:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0t2KO014396 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:55:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2V0snFV018084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:54:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0rFvB008462; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0rFM4074416; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [206.18.177.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V0rBUf074348 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200703310053.l2V0rBUf074348@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070331005306b1500slovle>; Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:53:06 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:53:06 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:"hippie" pants-suit vs. Corduroy pants-suit In-Reply-To: <000201c7731c$a757dbe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> References: <200703301900.l2UJ06De012998@net.indra.com> <000201c7731c$a757dbe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ee926195-3103-4c4a-b9ee-3fe23171d2be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460DB159.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 21:19:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V1JIV5014874 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:19:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2V1J59r023896 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:19:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V1Hb80010653; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V1HYWM087010; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:17:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V1HVMx086987 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:17:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l2V1HU200858 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:17:30 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue Message-ID: <1175303850.460db6aa81b85@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:17:30 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <20070330.174649.3328.0.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20070330.174649.3328.0.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d62abb0c-86b9-44f3-99ea-6f8f5558e0be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 460DB709.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I soaked one piece for several hours, the paper peeled off but the glue remained behind. Freezing seemed to work a little better, but the silk is so thin that it thawed out pretty quickly. (Makes me wish for some dry ice) > You might try soaking them overnight first and see if the labels and > goo can be scraped off. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Mar 30 22:34:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V2YSV5016514 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:34:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2V2YFVh013988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:34:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V2XgVW018706; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V2Xcxb025939; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:33:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.80]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l2V2XX0U025844 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:33:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 50347 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2007 02:33:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SVF9GXo+oWneBQ4bM5PYtNZg7H/qWp1yMkDI9qWUU/BpvCd8xN6rPzqC16MBp8zZz0i1KDWk4NBEWOUcvatBnvMcb6f13VQRVwWBPqjqisWVgLpkANgL8Yp1+BYin67iK2v2+sXtCWwYdQcay5xa6JqET99jXRCzP29hjFoai1g= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?74.118.207.58?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings-- Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > At 06:42 PM 3/30/2007, you wrote: >> By 1971 or 1972 (grade 10 for me) the pant suit was being worn by >> those of us who considered ourselves very fashionable. I had several. >> One >> which my mother made in a gorgeous canary yellow crepe polyester with >> wide >> white collar, sort of a tunic dress, quite short, and bell bottom >> pants. >> > > > My mother made my sister and myself matching pant suits, of a similar > style. Ours were powder blue polyester, with a lace jabot at the neck. > They were beautifully made, but polyester...blech! I'm a few years behind the early 70s high school crowd (I was in preschool), but I do remember one of my biggest childhood disappointments. Mom did a lot of sewing and made me quite a number of pantsuits. She found this fabric with Siamese cats all over it, and she was going to make us matching outfits, with the tunic-style top with the cat fabric and matching brown pants. But she messed up the cut on mine--half the cats were upside down, so it never got made. I was very bummed. Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Mar 31 00:13:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V4D5AW018136 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:13:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l2V4Cqrx009109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:12:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V4893e027578; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V485lF074718; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:08:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l2V482Sl074683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:08:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l2V4JV9a032023 for ; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:19:31 -0500 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:"hippie" pants-suit vs. Corduroy pants-suit Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:16:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <000201c7731c$a757dbe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> In-Reply-To: <000201c7731c$a757dbe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200703310016.59711.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a77dd354-e7d2-49c9-9e2d-1eb6435cebc0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 460DDFC5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 31 Mar 2007 00:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Friday 30 March 2007 6:42 pm, Five Rivers Chapmanry wrote: > As someone who grew up in that era, I can say the 'pant suit' wasn't > really acceptable until the late 60s. I remember even in the very early > 70s, in fact, I think it was 1970, girls fighting for the right to wear > pants to high school. We did a 'sit in' protest. Ended up winning favour. > But we weren't allowed to wear jeans. In the business world pant suits weren't acceptable for women until the early 90's--when they stopped cutting the pants as though they were jeans. :-) > > Well, we fixed that the following year. Cause we had another > peaceful demonstration and won the right to wear jeans, and by then the > jeans were huge bell bottoms, not what is called a bell bottom today. Actually, what you're thinking of is now called "boot cut", but yes, it is much narrower than the "bell bottoms" of yesteryear. -- Cathy Raymond "If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank." -- Woody Allen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume