From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 1 17:39:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31LdSaP032422 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:39:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l31LdFhj011397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 17:39:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31Lcmwt022904; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:38:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31Lcf0s090668; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:38:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31Lcc5I090596 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=FW5ObmDE/afxIT8BDkRgeXvulMlnJkMgruimnI6Py/MlhfAjU7sW8bsTCcZMtfvW; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.227.20.168] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1HY7kv-00048j-3B for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:38:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <200703310016.59711.cathy@thyrsus.com> References: <000201c7731c$a757dbe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> <200703310016.59711.cathy@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:"hippie" pants-suit vs. Corduroy pants-suit Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:38:38 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c1d0b529757760a73a5e236be518b9f3a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.20.168 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06961a83-244b-402b-8c8d-3ab8f692cd94 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46102683.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Apr 2007 17:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: O My mom, who went to a fair number of professional conferences, thought pants suits were the greatest thing since permanent press, and wore them with enthusiasm. She told me that at one conference (sometime in the late 70s I think), a couple of nice ladies took her aside and told her that really, you know, it wasn't the Done Thing to _always_ wear pants suits. After all, people might think she was a Lesbian. Being happily married since 1943 and the mother of four, my mom thought this was hysterically funny! ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 1 18:02:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31M2Hoh032714 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:02:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l31M24Ts026135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:02:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31M1hif024925; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:01:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31M1fnv002145; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:01:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31M1b6T002099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:01:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l31MDHJo009734 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:13:17 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE:"hippie" pants-suit vs. Corduroy pants-suit Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:10:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <000201c7731c$a757dbe0$6400a8c0@MAIN> <200703310016.59711.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704011810.36037.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 27baee12-aa3a-4eb4-8d2a-5cbc331e0475 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46102BDC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sunday 01 April 2007 5:38 pm, Chris Laning wrote: > My mom, who went to a fair number of professional conferences, > thought pants suits were the greatest thing since permanent press, > and wore them with enthusiasm. > > She told me that at one conference (sometime in the late 70s I > think), a couple of nice ladies took her aside and told her that > really, you know, it wasn't the Done Thing to _always_ wear pants > suits. After all, people might think she was a Lesbian. [snip] Sigh. I believe it. There still was a fair amount of prejudice against women in pants. However, by the late 1970s, really *old* women started wearing pants and pants suits routinely in significant numbers, doubtless for the same reason as your mom (comfort, right?). I remember this because I thought it unusually progressive of them, until I considered the comfort factor. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 1 18:18:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31MI6nt000423 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:18:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l31MHrMc026304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 18:17:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31MCOEM026672; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31MCNiE007713; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l31MCJvm007624 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2007 16:12:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=RTyS/J3i1NL11fxN2LKxOlhe70vGhUx8AAl4jHTJIVyUIYVuhplXKvdt78joTuYb; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.227.20.168] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1HY8HV-0001sF-VR for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:12:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1BE86AC6-7419-40E9-A43A-8C3C7920F9B4@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 15:12:19 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22c052c2c67e3887c6d4d0035653dc94625350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.227.20.168 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebed37cf-ada5-4a84-973e-161de67e6a8f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46102F92.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mar 29, 2007, at 1:37 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > My students have been asking some really good questions. These > questions I only know the answers from personal experience. I > lived in Mississippi at the time and do not know if we were really > far behind fashion or not. If you answer these questions, please > let me know your location and the app. year you remember these > fashions were worn to public elementary through high school: > > 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured > 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to > school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? > 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair > 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed Newton, Massachusetts, mid to late 1960s -- 1. I never saw anyone actually measuring skirts, but I know there was a rule. It may have been something like an inch or two above the knee. 2. Girls could not wear pants for any reason, any time. If it was freezing cold, they could wear pants under their skirts for the walk to school, but had to take them off when they got there. About the only allowed form of leg-covering was tights (which I always hated). And of course, tights were frequently "un-cool." My mom said she used to see groups of girls going by on their way to the local junior high school in the winters (snow on the streets, etc.) with short skirts and bare legs that were bright red from the cold. She said she always felt like rushing out and offering them blankets or something. 3. I never paid attention to the rules for boys, but I know some were wearing hair that was considered "long" in those days -- though it wouldn't be considered "long" now. I was also much amused when midi skirts and "granny dresses" came into fashion, and one of my classmates got into trouble for wearing a skirt that was too LONG (a granny dress, in her case). How they rationalized that I have NO idea! I suppose it fell into the category of "too distracting". --------------------------------- Interestingly, these are still battlegrounds in some places. The school I work for is a Catholic private school for girls, and they have always worn uniforms. The current rule is that uniform skirts are supposed to be no more than 3 inches above the knee, but of course in a group of fashion conscious young women, who are also at the stage where they're growing like weeds, this is difficult to maintain. Students have been threatened with all sorts of dire punishments if they are caught rolling their waistbands to make their skirts shorter, but in general, enforcement is pretty slack, confined to announced days two or three times a year. Few of the faculty are interested in doing anything about it. This may change next year, as the new principal-to-be is probably the faculty member who's cared the most about the dress code. There are rumors the rule may be changed to 2 inches above the knee rather than 3, and I expect more enforcement. Until this year, pants have only been allowed by special exemption to the few students we have whose families are Muslim (whose definition of modest dress includes having legs covered). This year, by radical innovation, students could wear pants during the winter, and some did; but they had to be the official uniform pants, which are on the expensive side. Requests by students for the option of wearing pants are frequent, but always blocked by faculty who feel they are "unprofessional looking" unless they are the tailored uniform pants. Our students don't feel this is fair, especially since the other Catholic high schools in town that include girls _do_ allow pants. (For the one that requires uniforms, they must be a particular color of Dockers.) The faculty who object claim that if pants were allowed, it would be too difficult to define which pants were OK and which were too tight, too low-slung, or too baggy and "gang-like." It will be interesting to see what happens :) ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 10:41:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32EfN4U016312 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:41:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32EfAYZ019991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:41:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32EcwTs050083; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:38:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32EcnAB073448; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32EchHL073353 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:38:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 71C4F2E817B for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:33:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id F136A2E812C for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:33:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01017 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:38:41 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:38:57 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Simplicity Elizabethan costume 3782 Thread-Index: AcdzKV0bB++liv92RASChUrG4zfxaACCcTJg References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Simplicity Elizabethan costume 3782 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a188737-47e0-46db-9f0d-1fb63a6245f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46111606.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Simplicity has four new patterns in their Early Summer book, 2 "Museum Curator" Civil War costumes for women, a virtual reprint of their old "Medieval Peasants" pictured in different colorways than the original and Elizabethan costume 3782. I purchased the last and from the directions, the pics of the pattern pieces aren't that far off from Janet Arnold, Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen" and the "Tudor Tailor", especially for a "mass market" pattern. The main sleeves are even two-piece and curved to fit the arm, thus forcing the wearer to hold her arms at the correct angle. Personally, I rather like View B, which is a simpler gown and plan to first use the direction diagrams enlarged and the "Tudor Tailor" to try this out on my new 16" Ellowyne Wilde" doll. I am not good at drafting patterns from scratch, so I use something close(a pattern that fits me or the doll I'm dressing, the historically correct pattern, and go laborestly from there. Cindy Abel =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 12:02:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32G2rAC019548 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:02:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32G2ec5022328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:02:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32G211B065665; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32G1uWd052858; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:01:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32ESlQ1064206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 08:28:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HYNWT-0007Vv-K6 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 10:28:41 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.100]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:24:42 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20070330.174649.3328.0.Cley@juno.com> <1175303850.460db6aa81b85@webmail02.unl.edu> Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:28:35 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <000701c77533$32cf8070$6400a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1175303850.460db6aa81b85@webmail02.unl.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 Thread-Index: AcdzMkLSBjOz9XzASailZ/MK/yvH0wCAN9tg X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This might help.. http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001194.php hope you can find it in a local store.. Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of 00217146@bigred.unl.edu Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue I soaked one piece for several hours, the paper peeled off but the glue remained behind. Freezing seemed to work a little better, but the silk is so thin that it thawed out pretty quickly. (Makes me wish for some dry ice) > You might try soaking them overnight first and see if the labels and > goo can be scraped off. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 12:20:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32GKBZ6020304 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:20:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32GJveS032637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:20:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32GJXSf068229; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32GJCZX069114; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:19:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32GIZ7X068551 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:18:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l32GIUQ29829 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 11:18:30 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue Message-ID: <1175530710.46112cd6b395a@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:18:30 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <20070330.174649.3328.0.Cley@juno.com> <1175303850.460db6aa81b85@webmail02.unl.edu> <000701c77533$32cf8070$6400a8c0@PYC64> In-Reply-To: <000701c77533$32cf8070$6400a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04159ee5-7be7-409d-88df-edfcf57f5bee X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46112D2E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wow, I'll have to see if I can find that, thanks. Have you used it? Emma Quoting Betsy Marshall : > This might help.. > > http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001194.php > > hope you can find it in a local store.. Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 14:09:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32I98Ft022236 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:09:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32I8tEg025853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:08:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32I8Hl5087422; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:08:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32I8BGe075871; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32I86nQ075792 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:08:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HYQwn-0001J8-HY for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:08:05 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:07:04 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes References: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <1BE86AC6-7419-40E9-A43A-8C3C7920F9B4@igc.org> In-Reply-To: <1BE86AC6-7419-40E9-A43A-8C3C7920F9B4@igc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.06-U (<$z1N+hDX4zdgwF4tCRoTWmgwtx>) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=22% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e13c412-b741-405e-ba5c-6dbaf0ca1168 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461146B7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Chris Laning wrote > > >Interestingly, these are still battlegrounds in some places. The >school I work for is a Catholic private school for girls, and they >have always worn uniforms. > >Until this year, pants have only been allowed by special exemption to >the few students we have whose families are Muslim (whose definition >of modest dress includes having legs covered). This year, by radical >innovation, students could wear pants during the winter, and some did; >but they had to be the official uniform pants, which are on the >expensive side. Requests by students for the option of wearing pants >are frequent, but always blocked by faculty who feel they are >"unprofessional looking" unless they are the tailored uniform pants. >Our students don't feel this is fair, especially since the other >Catholic high schools in town that include girls _do_ allow pants. >(For the one that requires uniforms, they must be a particular color >of Dockers.) The faculty who object claim that if pants were allowed, >it would be too difficult to define which pants were OK and which were >too tight, too low-slung, or too baggy and "gang-like." > >It will be interesting to see what happens :) This reminds me of a bizarre rule we had at my school, in the 80s. I don't remember being allowed to wear trousers except on the way to and home from school, as part of uniform. But in the top 2 years, when you were no longer legally obliged to stay in school, you didn't have to wear uniform. This was standard in my area, I don't know if the same was true across England. The idea was that you got used to wearing the kind of smart clothes that would be required when you left and got a job. We were allowed to wear "smart denim trousers" but not "jeans". I never did understand what the difference was! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 14:51:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32IpDuM022886 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:51:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32Ip0t9022161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:51:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32IoOu4094118; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:50:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32IoKRb014817; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:50:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32IoF2h014660 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:50:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HYRbU-0008VD-3y for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:50:10 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.100]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:46:10 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <20070330.174649.3328.0.Cley@juno.com><1175303850.460db6aa81b85@webmail02.unl.edu><000701c77533$32cf8070$6400a8c0@PYC64> <1175530710.46112cd6b395a@webmail02.unl.edu> Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:50:03 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <009801c77557$b985b2a0$6400a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd1QyP39CKRsZMJS1W7ZkIrxYMWPAAFIaWw In-Reply-To: <1175530710.46112cd6b395a@webmail02.unl.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No, still looking in my local stores(sad face) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of 00217146@bigred.unl.edu Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:19 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue Wow, I'll have to see if I can find that, thanks. Have you used it? Emma Quoting Betsy Marshall : > This might help.. > > http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001194.php > > hope you can find it in a local store.. Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 14:53:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32IrglT022922 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:53:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32IrT7v005602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:53:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Iqrqn094558; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Iqq6Q017173; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:52:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32IqlaJ017058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id DCC9AD4284; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:52:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D96D4362 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:52:51 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000e01c77558$1dbce900$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acd1UWYnImp1JpjaS2O0BDbfoiv+tgABYVUg In-Reply-To: <200704021800.l32I0LaR068871@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=60% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: "hippie" pants-suit vs. Corduroy pants-suit X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 99f4acda-6f2c-480e-8acd-da177c3f4b31 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46115129.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >However, by the late 1970s, really *old* women started wearing pants = and pants=20 >suits routinely in significant numbers, doubtless for the same reason = as your=20 >mom (comfort, right?). I remember this because I thought it unusually=20 >progressive of them, until I considered the comfort factor. I quite agree; however, let us not forget that women in the business world were at that time very much trying to gain respect and recognition = in the work place, and I can remember quite clearly myself, my mother and others in the late 1970s eschewing the dress or skirt suit in favour of = the pant suit, simply because it made us a little more androgynous. Pants = forced men to look at us not as women but as people. I can even remember women (myself among them) wearing ties with our suits if the suit had a = jacket. For me, at one establishment at which I was the bookkeeper, I can remember choosing pants over skirts because of the gross sexual = harassment by one of the senior partners. God help me should I be in a skirt or = dress that zipped up the back! It was because of him I started wearing front-closing bras because he had a knack of being able to, with one = deft, swift flick being able to pop the closure on your bra. The beast had me = in tears so many times, and at that time there was no recourse for sexual harassment charges. You either put up with it, or you quit. So, indeed, for many the pant suit was a comfort issue. But for some it was also a political and social issue. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, this is OT, but I know you guys know a lot. I have been asked by an 8th grader who is over 6 feet tall to make a graduation dress. She doesn't really have any ideas of what she wants. Do you know of a resource which will tell what styles look best on tall girls? Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 15:49:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32JncqY024101 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:49:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32JnPdD009656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:49:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32JmZQQ002829; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32JmXhq069011; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:48:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32JmUB7068961 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l32JmS402383 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:48:28 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT Message-ID: <1175543308.46115e0cea0f8@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 14:48:28 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71c11454-7415-4399-9a99-c101e5132515 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46115E45.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting WickedFrau : > Hi, this is OT, but I know you guys know a lot. I have been asked by an > 8th > grader who is over 6 feet tall to make a graduation dress. She > doesn't > really have any ideas of what she wants. Do you know of a resource > which > will tell what styles look best on tall girls? As a short girl, (5'2") I've found that it's more important that a garment fit correctly than that any particular style be sought out or avoided. The fullest part of the bust needs to match her bustline. The waistline should be at the waist. The hem should end at an intenional place: Just below the knee, for example. With that having been said, I did a quick google search for "tall girl fashion" and found a bunch of sites and stores, like this one: http://www.tallgirlshop.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=72&osCsid=5fd68503bf4749cf89a185a9a7981821 For the most part, the styles look consistent with what everybody else is wearing, everything is just made longer to fit a longer body. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 15:52:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Jq8pR024210 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:52:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32JpstY001008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:51:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32JpUIh003316; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32JpQiD071851; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32JpMKR071706 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.90]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:51:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.36.99.166 by BAY106-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:51:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.36.99.166] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:52:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:52:20 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2007 19:51:17.0174 (UTC) FILETIME=[46FE7560:01C77560] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0100ce72-a1f5-41ab-8779-40b35a14782f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46115EDA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No, but I personally have a couple of caveats off the top of my head. I = had a friend get married who was 5'11", and these came from that: a) 3/4 length sleeves are your enemy. Mid-size people can wear them = and everybody "gets" that they are supposed to end between the elbow and = the wrist. If you're very short or very tall, the initial look says = your clothes don't fit. b) Likewise, tea length is not good for either the very short or very = tall, IMO. Ending a few inches above your ankle looks "on purpose" if = you're 5'6". If you're 5'2", you look like you're wearing your mother's = skirt, and if you're 6' you look like you couldn't get clothes long = enough. c) My first thought is that an empire style with a looooong skirt = falling straight from the bustline might really tend to elongate her = body and make her look even taller than she is, so I would tend to steer = her toward something with a defined waist. With all that long, lovely = torso, though, and long legs, she should be able to wear styles that = other girls can only dream about because they get too "busy" when = compressed onto an average sized body. Just my nickel-- LuAnn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: WickedFrau=20 To: 'Historical Costume'=20 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:29 PM Subject: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT Hi, this is OT, but I know you guys know a lot. I have been asked by = an 8th grader who is over 6 feet tall to make a graduation dress. She = doesn't really have any ideas of what she wants. Do you know of a resource = which will tell what styles look best on tall girls? =20 Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 15:59:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32JxrUI024354 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32JxeeO014188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:59:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Jx1GD004601; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:59:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Jwx95079230; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:58:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Jwt4D079069 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:58:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070402195851.GASI13364.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:58:51 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.178.145]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id iKyp1W00B38clPG0000000; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:58:49 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:58:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c77561$4e57c180$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009801c77557$b985b2a0$6400a8c0@PYC64> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=38% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4eb6e28-c9f1-48cd-a9e7-4d1018cbec27 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461160AC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO We used Un-Du when I worked as a custom framer. It is amazing stuff! You might try contacting a local frame supply place to see if they'll sell it to you. (They may not sell to the public, but it never hurts to ask) ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Marshall No, still looking in my local stores(sad face) > > http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001194.php > hope you can find it in a local store.. Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 16:06:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32K6a0D024426 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:06:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32K6Nl3027411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:06:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32K5x66040710; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:05:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32K5wQI086341; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32K5t8M086279 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:05:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 13C4A3EBED for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:05:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Simplicity Elizabethan costume 3782 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:06:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce009784-3874-4f24-8a15-a6afb6556bc7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4611623F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The drawback is that there isn't a smock to go under it. sleeve of "A" has the "smock" sleeves sewn in. Dress "B" if worn this way is closer to a Civil War gown (think Scarlet's curtain dress) then Renaissance as the gown is suppose to be worn over dresses like dress "A" ex: http://tinyurl.com/ywzo36 http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/Veronese1560.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/MargaretAudley.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/AnneAustria.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady39.jpg There are a few portraits showing the dress under the style "B" type to have a similar neckline as dress "A" but I can't seem to find them. Most were "Italian" De -----Original Message----- Personally, I rather like View B, which is a simpler gown and plan to first use the direction diagrams enlarged and the "Tudor Tailor" to try this out on my new 16" Ellowyne Wilde" doll. I am not good at drafting patterns from scratch, so I use something close(a pattern that fits me or the doll I'm dressing, the historically correct pattern, and go laborestly from there. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 17:59:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32LxQNM025976 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:59:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32LxDk0005772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 17:59:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32LwIY4079808; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32LwBEb094032; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Lw7qX093985 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:58:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 7AD402E80CD for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 12AD62E8091 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:53:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02643 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:58:01 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Simplicity Elizabethan costume 3782 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:57:49 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Simplicity Elizabethan costume 3782 Thread-Index: Acd1YldDSWgGMbN6STO+OwL6W1exzgADrksg References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22ceb28a-a9d8-491a-ba94-eed7ce5e2c56 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46117CB1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 Yes, but I was judging just by the general cut of the pattern pieces. Most of the commercial patterns are designed for the non SCA, non historically accurate people who want to dress in an approximation, and the fewer layers they wear, the more comfortable they are. I wasn't going to slavishly copy View B or A, but use them as a guide. I usually just get something in a modern pattern(those $1.99 pattern sales!)alter to fit me, and then haul out Arnold and Hunnisett as help to get the cut accurate.=20 Now if we could get some last quarter of the 18th century good patterns from Simplicity(et.al). Cindy Abel =20 The drawback is that there isn't a smock to go under it. sleeve of "A" has the "smock" sleeves sewn in. Dress "B" if worn this way is closer to a Civil War gown (think Scarlet's curtain dress) then Renaissance as the gown is suppose to be worn over dresses like dress "A" ex: http://tinyurl.com/ywzo36 http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/wardrobe/Veronese1560.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/MargaretAudley.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/AnneAustria.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady39.jpg There are a few portraits showing the dress under the style "B" type to have a similar neckline as dress "A" but I can't seem to find them. Most were "Italian" De -----Original Message----- Personally, I rather like View B, which is a simpler gown and plan to first use the direction diagrams enlarged and the "Tudor Tailor" to try this out on my new 16" Ellowyne Wilde" doll. I am not good at drafting patterns from scratch, so I use something close(a pattern that fits me or the doll I'm dressing, the historically correct pattern, and go laborestly from there. Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 18:04:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32M4B42026068 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:04:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32M3wLs007800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:04:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32M3Zbq080393; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:03:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32M3XAv098350; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32M3U24098248 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:03:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.76]) by bay0-omc1-s26.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:03:24 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:03:24 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.36.99.166 by BAY106-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:03:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.36.99.166] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000001c77561$4e57c180$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Subject: Re: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:04:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:04:26 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2007 22:03:24.0769 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC357510:01C77572] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 792ae383-f930-4ba0-8f08-89aea8fb87c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46117DCE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Actually, you can buy this in any scrapbooking store, or any craft store = that has a decent supply of scrapbooking supplies. LuAnn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Linda Rice=20 To: 'Historical Costume'=20 Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] fabric sample windfall--removing glue We used Un-Du when I worked as a custom framer. It is amazing stuff! = You might try contacting a local frame supply place to see if they'll sell it to you. (They may not sell to the public, but it never hurts to = ask) ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com = [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Betsy Marshall No, still looking in my local stores(sad face) >=20 > = http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/001194.php >=20 hope you can find it in a local store.. Betsy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 18:38:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32McD92026678 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:38:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32Mc0hR021091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:38:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32MWZkM084245; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:32:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32MWW2I022243; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:32:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp109.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.225.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l32MWT8J022097 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:32:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nicolaa@rogers.com) Received: (qmail 18080 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2007 22:32:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bTElMq3tOg8J0urzemhuQliXhpKjEpeT5pXh15huDbtFRD4TVrYNDl6Owkk1PONH+krwW7ALxYLiiWJuROHRaQcqsQg+S636Gd0Zo/+wYAtYd3no5KzFEsKDvTlHfaXtWQQ3tLpGJOF/LH2ESsINjK78LWUMSHv3r4YETc/KqE0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?74.118.207.58?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings-- LuAnn Mason wrote: > c) My first thought is that an empire style with a looooong skirt falling straight from the bustline might really tend to elongate her body and make her look even taller than she is, so I would tend to steer her toward something with a defined waist. With all that long, lovely torso, though, and long legs, she should be able to wear styles that other girls can only dream about because they get too "busy" when compressed onto an average sized body. > I wouldn't assume that "long, lovely torso." Tall girls can have their height in their legs, their bodies, or a combination of both. I'm only on the edge of tall (5'9"), but it's all in my legs (34" inseam). Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 18:45:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32MjeCW026794 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:45:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l32MjRMq028787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:45:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Mj5Z4086174; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Mj4X4032189; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:45:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32Mj0H1032141 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 16:45:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.248.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.248]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HYVGl-0002Xc-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:44:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <46118481.3090604@rogers.com> References: <46118481.3090604@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 18:45:46 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=75% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e4fd930-5a6f-45fc-971d-06f59267e67c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46118787.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'd go for a floor-length dress with a waistline (or a princess cut) in anything but vertical stripes. And probably a rounded or squared- off neckline rather than a V. Enjoy the elegance of the line but don't draw arrows that say "WOW VERY TALL!" I think the old home-ec advice about direction of stripes continues to be sensible. My niece is tall and looks most graceful in long dresses. We do give her a V neckline, though, because she has wide shoulders and an ample bust and we want the attention on the cleavage and the slim waist rather than on the shoulder line and the width of the bust. Well, that's our taste anyway. (I happen to think almost every woman looks most graceful in long dresses!) --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Apr 2, 2007, at 6:32 PM, Susan Carroll-Clark wrote: > Greetings-- > > LuAnn Mason wrote: >> c) My first thought is that an empire style with a looooong skirt >> falling straight from the bustline might really tend to elongate >> her body and make her look even taller than she is, so I would >> tend to steer her toward something with a defined waist. With all >> that long, lovely torso, though, and long legs, she should be able >> to wear styles that other girls can only dream about because they >> get too "busy" when compressed onto an average sized body. >> > I wouldn't assume that "long, lovely torso." Tall girls can have > their height in their legs, their bodies, or a combination of > both. I'm only on the edge of tall (5'9"), but it's all in my legs > (34" inseam). > > Susan > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 22:07:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3327RpB031426 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:07:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3327DcX012276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:07:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3326cjA010821; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3326Xt8061081; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3326U9k061009 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:06:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDBDPWVAG8WKTJ for (sender ); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 19:06:11 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7gQlIRgfnZvwACM7Wk/EH3ctnQcqP2ds+g== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MJC9428D; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:05:48 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:04:45 -0500 Message-ID: <20070402.210446.160.0.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-16,24-25,35-36,40-41 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 14:7:3384292300 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1960s-70s School Dress Codes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ea9938e-d7e0-418b-bf26-b61b29dea464 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4611B6D2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > My students have been asking some really good questions. These > questions I only know the answers from personal experience. I lived > in Mississippi at the time and do not know if we were really far > behind fashion or not. If you answer these questions, please let me > know your location and the app. year you remember these fashions > were worn to public elementary through high school: > > 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured > 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to school. > Pants-suits, hiphuggers? > 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair > 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed (Sorry for the lag, just got home.) Omaha, NE. 1) I don't recall measurements, and one year in JROTC the skirt I was issued as part of my uniform was really short (I'd say mid-thigh, going just off memory). This would probably have been fall 1977-spring 1978. IIRC, there was a really large hem in the skirt, so apparently the last girl to wear it had hemmed it up. I never got in trouble for wearing it, and had the previous girl gotten in trouble I suspect she would have been made to let the hem back out. I've never been a fan of miniskirts even before the weight went on, so I can't be any more precise than that. 2) I remember my grandmother making what she always called "Kabuki pants" for me, and I know I could wear those to school by 6th grade or so. They were basically a wrap pant with _lots_ of overlap and an elastic waistband. Let's see ... that would have been around 1973-74. Before then, I seem to recall skirts or dresses being the rule unless you were in gym class. In 7th grade home ec (around 1974-75), we could choose to make shorts as part of the sewing section. I was on the precision drill team in high school JROTC, and we wore maroon polyester jumpsuits for some of the drill competitions (not issued, though I think we were told which pattern to buy). I can't answer 3 or 4 -- I have one brother, but he was in JROTC as well so had to stay clean-shaven and short-haired. My only interest in other boys when I was in school had to do with the odds they would beat me up or steal from me. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 22:21:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l332Ljfh031732 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:21:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l332LW0U019352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 22:21:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l332KZIW012696; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l332KYKC069696; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:20:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.225.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l332KUpr069623 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:20:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070403022024b1500sns54e>; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 02:20:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 20:20:24 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1850s garters X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28eb88a0-e157-4160-bfb9-61b2f1e98786 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4611BA2C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 2 23:08:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3338RgN032597 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:08:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3338D5q008936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:08:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3337iHg017370; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:07:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3337fAL096701; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:07:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3337cDw096650 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:07:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1HYZMu2o5m-00006t; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:07:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002e01c7759d$249fdbc0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46118481.3090604@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 23:06:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+u82Yf11If8KpCp/e6UvhSirE/pGas5raSM4e +4puV2LwgQMdJUk2fkAs75d+2bK/UC8Q+3D63blmfgYv4Z89xj EfsssCYQnhbjvoYGIOE3w== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=26% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d8178a8a-6518-4d3f-86d1-0f39d2453f69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4611C51D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 02 Apr 2007 23:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It really depends on her body shape as to what she can wear. I dress people for a living and will be happy to help. Privately send me her photo and let me know about her personality. What she considers her good features and bad. The fun part of graduation is this is when true personalities come out, especially college graduation. Under those gowns are some fantastic personalities! At our college you can always tell who are the nursing students out of thousands of graduates. They are the party people and decorate their hats, gowns, etc. When they announce that the nursing school has graduated a party of confetti, balloons, horns announce it by those students. The medical doctors/students take their graduation hats off and bow to them. It is worth going to graduation to see this event! I float as an adult between 5'10" (bad back days) to 5' 11" (good back). I am from a tall family, the shortest is 5-9, the tallest 7 ft. When I visit my sisters in Florida we swap clothing. There are 24 years difference in age between my youngest and oldest sisters. My youngest sister is 6-2 or so and my oldest sister is 5-9. The key is taking a piece of clothing and change how you wear it with accessories. Also how you carry "the look makes a big difference. My youngest sister dresses in the "Florida teacher casual" look, I dress artsy/dramatic, and my older sister dresses in sexy or in club wear. My older sister was born at the beginning of the baby boomers and youngest at the end of the generation. I don't think I have ever seen my sisters in a business suits or stripes. We are all very expressive of our personalities in our mode of dress. I have a long thin bones. I look so thin because I am wide but not thick. I have never tried to look shorter and wore those 4" heels until son #2 came along and the back problems came. I still wear 2 1/2" inch heels daily. When young, I gave up on trying to find guys as tall as me and wore the shoe height that I wanted. LOL, short guys always wanted to date me. My husband is 6-1 and loves when I wear heels. Being tall, you can wear almost all styles. I don't like stripes except on full skirts. I just don't like stripes on anyone. The trick is knowing where to bring out your good points and hide you flaws. Bob Mackie made his living doing this for women. I can wear all lengths of dresses successfully. The key is matching the heel height to the proper length of skirt. I have long arms, torso, and arms. For long sleeve shirts, I wear men's shirts. I do avoid empire waists. I have no cleavage and it looks my bust look smaller. I have a really long neck and don't wear plunging necklines is a no-no. My youngest sister is chesty and can wear the plunge! Body shapes plays such an important part in dressing. My daughter and husband are on a weight lost challenge. I am measuring them weekly. Today, I measured my daughter who is 5-6 and weighs the same as me. She couldn't believe that our measurements are about the same in measurement. She is rather chesty and had to measure me tonight to see that we are the same measurements. The differences are our height, and body/bone shapes (she has swimmer's shoulders/mine bony). Each week at the beginning my class, we discuss the fashions, body types, and what worked and didn't on the fashion-relational reality shows, like American and Aussie Top Models, Top Design, Dancing W/ Stars, and American Idol (AI). You have all body types and the dressers/wardrobe experiment with the contestants clothing/costume images. Dress is an expression of a the wearer's personality. A person that is not comfortable in what they are wearing is like a fish out of water. A good example is Melinda Doolittle on AI. I feel so sorry for this lady... a fashion victim She looks so uncomfortable in what the wardrobe dresser puts her in. Several times she has commented on the types dress is not her . Last week they put her in something that she looked great! Of course, Simon didn't like it. But she looked and acted comfortable in what she wearing for the first time. I know a lady who is 6-3 or -4 and you would never know it until she stands up. I was so tickled to meet her. I phoned my youngest sister immediately. This was the first time, I have had to look up to another woman. What a wonderful feeling! It was great to look up to a woman! I have only had to look up to my tall brothers and one tall son all my life! The same can be said for men... four of my sons are around 6 ft. tall and all have different body shapes and personalities. All have different styles of fashion that match their personality and lifestyles. Son 1: The businessman dresses in shirts and ties (giggle... he wears stripes), preppy when casual. Clean cut hair, well-shaven, shaped eyebrows, etc. Son 2: Computer guru wears a polo for work/dress and t-shirts w/ jeans for casual... hair like he just crawled out of bed. Son 3: Business major college student wears what ever is on the floor and smells clean. When he works the uniform that looks and smells clean. Life in a dorm... get the picture! Funny.. he always has a clean haircut and shaven. Son 4: Artsy son, wears black jeans with lots of pockets for tools and his staff/crew t-shirt of what ever his latest show that he worked. I had to laugh at his orange "Dancing with the Stars" t-shirt. He got rid of that shirt quick! He said that he only wears orange during October. He wears a long ponytail and shaves maybe once a week. But he bathes daily and starts out the day with clean clothes! Off-topic but really funny... could be on topic since people see our clothing and assume who we are... A couple of weeks ago, son #4 was in DC picking up a friend at Dulles Airport. My son was wearing his "crew" shirt from his recent Red Hot Chili Peppers concert. Four giggling teenagers came up to my son wanting his autograph. He tried to tell them that he wasn't in the band and just worked lighting for the concert. The teenagers did not believe my son and insisted on an autograph! So my son finally gave them an autograph. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 06:14:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33AEmxT029783 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:14:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33AEY9c025379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:14:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33ADBwD072992; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33AD6rm052512; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33AD3uE052405 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 04:13:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.c27.1358a131 (29678) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:12:53 EDT Subject: Re:Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s (and 80s) School Dress Codes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d6cbff3a-e9f7-4fcf-9d96-e94f1731111d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4612290B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 03/04/2007 03:07:29 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: This reminds me of a bizarre rule we had at my school, in the 80s. I don't remember being allowed to wear trousers except on the way to and home from school, as part of uniform. But in the top 2 years, when you were no longer legally obliged to stay in school, you didn't have to wear uniform. This was standard in my area, I don't know if the same was true across England. The idea was that you got used to wearing the kind of smart clothes that would be required when you left and got a job. We were allowed to wear "smart denim trousers" but not "jeans". I never did understand what the difference was! Jean at first school (in the late 70s - early 80s) we had a uniform (red), but didn't have to wear it unless we wanted to, but girls had to wear skirts (given that the girls did embroidery while the boys played five a side, thisis not a surprise). at middle school (mid 80s - hideous green uniform) we were allowed to wear trousers only as part of pe kit. there was also a slightly odd ruling that you weren't allowed to wear pe kit on your way home - pleasant in the siberian winter winds that hit the north east coast..... at high school (late 80s, early 90s) it got even more complicated. the unifor was purple and grey, but you could wear trousers if they were grey or black. and we were not allowed any garment in blue denim, but denim of other colours was fine. ????? so actually, you could wear black jeans as uniform. sixth formers (though by then I'd left and gone to 6th f college), you were allowed to wear whatever you liked, but the denim rule still applied, and you could still be sent home to change if you showed up in blue denim or leather! debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 08:21:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33CLV3t018945 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:21:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33CLIDG006113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:21:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33CKpaI097893; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33CKmZ6052725; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l33CKi3l052612 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 06:20:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: (qmail 69979 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2007 12:20:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@70.228.86.100 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2007 12:20:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uNOh5tcVM1mCGRydCaXjgANDrfQnsunCkNjS45AV7WRnr8cV Message-ID: <4612467A.10704@compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:20:10 -0400 From: "M + D (Mary Piero Carey+Doug Piero Carey)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200703290720.l2T7KbMR045740@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200703290720.l2T7KbMR045740@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a0d43a8-520f-4002-8204-d58baee34ab0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461246BE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 09:19:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33DJdou021745 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:19:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33DJPp7008929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:19:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33DIuM9007335; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33DIrFt097097; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:18:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33DInc9096974 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 07:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:18:35 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l33DIZL75008 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 08:18:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 03 Apr 2007 08:18:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:18:35 -0500 References: <200704030206.l3326YFT061088@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 08:18:24 -0500 Message-ID: <46120DCD.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200704030206.l3326YFT061088@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Best styles for tall girls - OT X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cb8e5fd-b429-4c8e-8a57-5e82a98d4ae7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4612545E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Being 5' 11'' myself, and having hit that height before most of my Jr. High peers, I have to agree that a priority is getting the fit right. For one thing, you are more comfortable, and will move better, when you know something fits. I don't know her personal style but I would also second the recommendations to keep it simple. She's tall, all her classmates know it so why try and disguise it. Give her a graceful line and maybe one fashion focus point and she will be the belle of the ball. Most of my family was tall and this was back when you couldn't find tall clothes for women. My mother sewed a lot of our clothes and I didn't really appreciate it until I was out on my own and having to buy most of my clothes. Especially nice now to be able to find tall jeans :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 14:49:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33In60O005555 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:49:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33Imq70030075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:48:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33ImIpW087900; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:48:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33Im9mG054131; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:48:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33Im3Om053874 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 12:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070403184753.UHFU21681.fep35.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:47:53 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.227]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070403184753.DITJ1370.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:47:53 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c77620$a09fd990$e36ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:48:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.164.110.227] at Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:47:44 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=35% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] question about tricornered hats X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 137e4edf-8e95-4b2b-9af5-51c1f1361030 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4612A194.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(Its gentlemens hats) Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 17:27:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33LRa5p013455 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:27:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33LRNcB016806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:27:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33LQhfo077993; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:26:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33LQamE071724; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33LQV6F071637 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:26:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A4BF156002A6; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:18:55 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 14:26:30 -0700 Message-ID: <007901c77636$c0994450$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002e01c7759d$249fdbc0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32c574d1-37cc-4ad1-8d09-365b51670bac X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4612C6BB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would be interested in your advice for my 21 yr old daughter. She is = 5'9" and long and thin. Small bust. She often wears things that are less = than flattering. I know what looks wrong on her, but I don't know what would = look better or what she should avoid. Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Penny Ladnier Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 8:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT It really depends on her body shape as to what she can wear. I dress = people for a living and will be happy to help. Privately send me her photo and = let me know about her personality. What she considers her good features and = bad. The fun part of graduation is this is when true personalities come out,=20 especially college graduation. Under those gowns are some fantastic=20 personalities! At our college you can always tell who are the nursing=20 students out of thousands of graduates. They are the party people and=20 decorate their hats, gowns, etc. When they announce that the nursing = school has graduated a party of confetti, balloons, horns announce it by those=20 students. The medical doctors/students take their graduation hats off = and=20 bow to them. It is worth going to graduation to see this event! I float as an adult between 5'10" (bad back days) to 5' 11" (good back). = I=20 am from a tall family, the shortest is 5-9, the tallest 7 ft. When I = visit=20 my sisters in Florida we swap clothing. There are 24 years difference = in=20 age between my youngest and oldest sisters. My youngest sister is 6-2 = or so and my oldest sister is 5-9. The key is taking a piece of clothing and=20 change how you wear it with accessories. Also how you carry "the look = makes a big difference. My youngest sister dresses in the "Florida teacher=20 casual" look, I dress artsy/dramatic, and my older sister dresses in = sexy or in club wear. My older sister was born at the beginning of the baby = boomers and youngest at the end of the generation. I don't think I have ever = seen=20 my sisters in a business suits or stripes. We are all very expressive = of=20 our personalities in our mode of dress. I have a long thin bones. I look so thin because I am wide but not = thick.=20 I have never tried to look shorter and wore those 4" heels until son #2 = came along and the back problems came. I still wear 2 1/2" inch heels daily. = When young, I gave up on trying to find guys as tall as me and wore the = shoe height that I wanted. LOL, short guys always wanted to date me. My = husband is 6-1 and loves when I wear heels. Being tall, you can wear almost all styles. I don't like stripes except = on=20 full skirts. I just don't like stripes on anyone. The trick is knowing=20 where to bring out your good points and hide you flaws. Bob Mackie made = his=20 living doing this for women. I can wear all lengths of dresses=20 successfully. The key is matching the heel height to the proper length = of=20 skirt. I have long arms, torso, and arms. For long sleeve shirts, I = wear=20 men's shirts. I do avoid empire waists. I have no cleavage and it = looks=20 my bust look smaller. I have a really long neck and don't wear plunging=20 necklines is a no-no. My youngest sister is chesty and can wear the = plunge! Body shapes plays such an important part in dressing. My daughter and=20 husband are on a weight lost challenge. I am measuring them weekly. = Today, I measured my daughter who is 5-6 and weighs the same as me. She = couldn't=20 believe that our measurements are about the same in measurement. She is = rather chesty and had to measure me tonight to see that we are the same=20 measurements. The differences are our height, and body/bone shapes (she = has swimmer's shoulders/mine bony). Each week at the beginning my class, we discuss the fashions, body = types,=20 and what worked and didn't on the fashion-relational reality shows, like = American and Aussie Top Models, Top Design, Dancing W/ Stars, and = American=20 Idol (AI). You have all body types and the dressers/wardrobe experiment = with the contestants clothing/costume images. Dress is an expression of = a=20 the wearer's personality. A person that is not comfortable in what they = are wearing is like a fish out of water. A good example is Melinda = Doolittle on AI. I feel so sorry for this lady... a fashion victim She looks so=20 uncomfortable in what the wardrobe dresser puts her in. Several times = she=20 has commented on the types dress is not her . Last week they put her in = something that she looked great! Of course, Simon didn't like it. But = she=20 looked and acted comfortable in what she wearing for the first time. I know a lady who is 6-3 or -4 and you would never know it until she = stands=20 up. I was so tickled to meet her. I phoned my youngest sister = immediately. This was the first time, I have had to look up to another woman. What a = wonderful feeling! It was great to look up to a woman! I have only had = to=20 look up to my tall brothers and one tall son all my life! The same can be said for men... four of my sons are around 6 ft. tall = and=20 all have different body shapes and personalities. All have different = styles of fashion that match their personality and lifestyles. Son 1: The businessman dresses in shirts and ties (giggle... he wears=20 stripes), preppy when casual. Clean cut hair, well-shaven, shaped = eyebrows, etc. Son 2: Computer guru wears a polo for work/dress and t-shirts w/ jeans = for=20 casual... hair like he just crawled out of bed. Son 3: Business major college student wears what ever is on the floor = and=20 smells clean. When he works the uniform that looks and smells clean. = Life=20 in a dorm... get the picture! Funny.. he always has a clean haircut and = shaven. Son 4: Artsy son, wears black jeans with lots of pockets for tools and = his=20 staff/crew t-shirt of what ever his latest show that he worked. I had = to=20 laugh at his orange "Dancing with the Stars" t-shirt. He got rid of = that=20 shirt quick! He said that he only wears orange during October. He = wears a=20 long ponytail and shaves maybe once a week. But he bathes daily and = starts=20 out the day with clean clothes! Off-topic but really funny... could be on topic since people see our=20 clothing and assume who we are... A couple of weeks ago, son #4 was in DC picking up a friend at Dulles=20 Airport. My son was wearing his "crew" shirt from his recent Red Hot = Chili=20 Peppers concert. Four giggling teenagers came up to my son wanting his=20 autograph. He tried to tell them that he wasn't in the band and just=20 worked lighting for the concert. The teenagers did not believe my son = and=20 insisted on an autograph! So my son finally gave them an autograph. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 18:04:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33M43aP015168 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:04:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33M3o5v007290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:03:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33M3LQn097358; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33M3ELG017470; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.210]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l33M3AfY017288 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:03:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from recon36@airmail.net) Received: (qmail 49727 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2007 22:03:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (edwalton@swbell.net@209.30.38.140 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2007 22:03:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 77q_XFIVM1k4xxLzcbBjkqOGTvosAMlG_rNgFW1OjBm_dXZKRJxt1aA_3VDwpvD9ooaYYPQt7fR8ySGvVtBS_YFF7TId2unFOMx_LrXbQbOTs0btHyw- In-Reply-To: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Walton Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:03:01 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7db90b3-4f3d-4a06-8781-3f1a6ac5facd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4612CF46.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mar 29, 2007, at 0:57, Penny Ladnier wrote: > I am trying to find out the who started the fashion trend of the > 1960s long fringed jackets or shirts for musicians. I am taking > about the ones like were worn by Jimi Hendrix or Judas in Jesus > Christ Superstar (movie). Some of this has been answered somewhat by others already, but to the best of my fading memory off the top of my head in old geezer oral tradition style: The jackets were a "cowboy" and "scout" thing. That would Indian Scout, like Wild Bill. They were mass produced, sold everywhere and they predate the summer of love. I had mine in '64 (suede fake "buckskin" with a zipper!). This is the type you see on Neil Young and Buffalo Springfield, The Byrds, Quicksilver Messenger Service, etc. Buffalo Bill style. Except those guys had the dough for real buckskin. They were already "in" and when it got to be "in" for bands to quit wearing sports coats and ties, the buckskin was handy. The guys were the cowboys and the chicks were the Indians. Girls would wear fringed vests and "Apache boots" or moccasins". Headbands were in, with or without feather, but I think the warpaint was only worn on TV. It's all pretty hazy. The fad peaked in the summer of '66 and was over for the "civilians" by the end of '67. My 1967 summer girlfriend was still wearing moccasins and it was still cool, but then it was done. The later stage wear by Daltrey, Hendrix, etc. was something a little different as it was not suitable for general purpose usage by the masses; strictly stage clothes. At least for most guys. I tried to get my sons interested in wearing a 60s style "scout" jacket for stage wear or at least publicity photos and they said I was nuts. Ed Walton Lost Battalions Military Reproductions http://www.lostbattalions.com 972-690-1945 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 18:37:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33MbF7s016891 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:37:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33Mb22h031391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:37:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33MaPbi012274; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33MaILn054721; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:36:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l33MaDfH054551 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from recon36@airmail.net) Received: (qmail 32432 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2007 22:36:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) 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Ed Walton Walton & Taylor Mercantile http://www.waltontaylor.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 18:49:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33MmxPY017436 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:48:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33Mmk9Q030007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:48:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33MmQAG015915; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33MmOOH066835; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:48:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33MmJcL066768 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:48:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7EF29D70024; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:40:47 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 15:48:24 -0700 Message-ID: <008c01c77642$2fe47950$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5da96b02-f90c-4665-9936-cfb48c772ed5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4612D9CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My daughter got a vintage dress for her high school prom. She is 5'9" = and naturally thin. The (long)dress was strapless, but you could put on spaghetti straps for the 8th grader. It fit to the seam at the waist. It then flowed out over hips to a skirt that had a straight look in front, = but more fabric at the back, kind of right under her fanny, with a large = fabric bow, asymmetrical. The fabric is heavy satin, embroidered. She says if = she ever gets nominated for an award, she's wearing this dress. I don't know what your 8th grader wants, this is rather sophisticated Sharon. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of WickedFrau Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 12:29 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT Hi, this is OT, but I know you guys know a lot. I have been asked by an = 8th grader who is over 6 feet tall to make a graduation dress. She doesn't really have any ideas of what she wants. Do you know of a resource = which will tell what styles look best on tall girls? =20 Thanks! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 18:59:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33MxWOG017936 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:59:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33MxJ3F021058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:59:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33MwuYB018357; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:58:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33Mws2c076975; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:58:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l33MwqmB076833 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from recon36@airmail.net) Received: (qmail 30852 invoked from network); 3 Apr 2007 22:58:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (edwalton@swbell.net@209.30.38.140 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2007 22:58:46 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fF_p.IYVM1mENH_HEiJ4guKCrDX8uGeB.py08Mf_hYdIxhr8xSDAY1HVn_EZPuhkvyDhA_NnrjOo5WlErQQKe5YSSew1wUMF3TqEOFbW7c00RDSdEa0- In-Reply-To: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Walton Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:58:43 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b4b5df2-9df0-4da7-a50e-4b3f15f4528b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4612DC47.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm late to the party, but I can't resist. RISD Richardson, Texas (across the street from Dallas) 1967-1974 > 1. Mini-skirts: Girl's skirt lengths were measured No. Don't know what the rules were, but they were super short. They would stop traffic, even today. Both in Junior High and Senior High. I didn't appreciate it at the time. Wow! > 2. Girls' pants: When were girls' allowed to wear pants to > school. Pants-suits, hiphuggers? I remember girls wearing pants, but no jeans, at elementary school. That was in 1963, because I remember when one girl's elastic waistband broke in 2nd grade.:-) From junior high to graduation, the chicks were all in jeans with these little one inch zippers. I also remember girl's "drive-in pants" which were jeans with a fall front. Wow! They used to wear these skin tight ribbed tops with them. > 3. Boys' Hair: Allowed to wear long hair Yes. > 4. Boy's mustaches: When allowed When you could grow it. The end of the mini-skirt no-bra era was a disaster. Ed Walton Lost Battalions Military Reproductions http://www.lostbattalions.com 972-690-1945 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 19:45:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33Nj5EI019577 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:45:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l33Niqdm018651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:44:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33NiIM0031357; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33NiE5I016478; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33NiBvK016392 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:44:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.15]) by bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:44:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:44:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:44:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 16:43:52 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c77649$ef3708c0$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd2Se8mfD2+RX61QRGUVwy6mol7/A== X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2007 23:44:05.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[F777C420:01C77649] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: The Attifet revisted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cdab9a14-9a40-49f7-8847-357eaf2d82c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4612E6F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry if this is a repost, I don=92t see it showing up on the list. Katherine Barich, who many of you probably know from other the Ren = Tailor and German Ren lists, has found a very interesting find! She has given = me permission to repost this message. Sg ________________________________________ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Katherine Barich" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:49 AM Subject: [TheRenTailor] The Attifet revisted I hope I didn't send this twice...) - but for SG :) I have finally found a period citation to the word attifet - in Italian, = no=20 less. I found the citation listed in "Glossaire Archeologique du Moyen = Age=20 et de la Renaissance" by Victor Gay. Vecellio lists the term in his=20 description of the noble women of Paris. I've translated for us, but = still=20 am learning Italian. I continue to work on finding more information on = the=20 oreillette and have had some success, but will wait until I firm up my = ideas a bit more. Here's the quote from page 82 (note the one t) "Atifet - Cette coiffure s=E9v=E8re, port=E9e par la veuve de Henri II = et les=20 dames nobles de Paris jusqu'a la fin du XVIe si=E8cle, rehaussait par = deux=20 petites arcades les cot=E9s du front et couvrait la chevelure d'un voile = retombant sur les =E9paules. 1590 - Le nobili matrone di Parigi non si lasciano veder il viso ... la = lor=20 acconciatura di testa e chiamata l'atifetto, il quale fa due archi dall=20 parte de fronte, coperto di un veletto attaccato con una punta sopra i=20 capelli del fronte, e poi cade sopra le spalle, e sotto di esso veletto = si=20 vedon i capelli ricci ben accommodati (Vecellio, t. II, p 238, edit. = Didot.) [Atifet - This severe coiffure, worn by the widow of Henri II and the = noble=20 ladies of Paris around the end of the 16th century, elevated by two = small=20 arcs on either sids of the front and covering the hair with a veil = falling=20 to the shoulders.] [The noble matrons of Paris do not let their faces be seen...they = arrange a=20 style on the head and call it the atifetto, which has two archs on = either=20 side of the front, covered with a small veil attached to a point above = the=20 hair in the front, and then falls to above the shoulders, and beneath = the=20 small veil their curly hair is quite accommodated.] Katherine=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 20:17:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340HcqC020945 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:17:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l340HO5n020390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:17:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340H0Tj041234; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:17:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340Gwq6041892; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:16:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340Gshn041749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:16:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-15-93.desm.qwest.net [75.162.15.93]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l340GmZi015299 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:16:48 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200704030206.l3326YEl061083@net.indra.com> References: <200704030206.l3326YEl061083@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80925249-927A-4526-A7F2-5AF14AEBA193@cybermesa.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:16:47 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/3008/Tue Apr 3 16:32:35 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a4bfc54-3c0c-403f-ac2b-fac3e3f7e886 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4612EE95.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've been enjoying this thread quite a bit. I graduated in 1972, in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Some of our experiences were similar: When I started 7th grade, in 1966, all the girls with delusions of style rolled their skirts on the bus on the way to school. The dress code said skirts had to touch your knee but I don't remember anyone ever being sent home for short skirts. They must've tossed the hemline rule the following year because I remember skirts going to thigh-length--but we still had to wear dresses no matter what. By the summer of 1968, I couldn't wear off-the-rack dresses unless they came with matching bloomers--which some did!--because I'm long- waisted. I remember vividly walking around with one hand holding my books (no backpacks! that was too casual) and the other tugging at my hem in hopes that no one would see my underwear. The other wierd thing about rising hemlines is that pantyhose were fairly new and the quality wasn't good; they didn't stretch much and the dark "panty" part was always showing at my hemline. Yuck. In the fall of 1968 (9th grade for me) we petitioned to be allowed to wear slacks to school, based on the argument that skirts had just gotten waaay too short. We were turned down, of course, by a school board made up of adults who feared we would become just like those riotous students on campus.... So in the spring of 1969 we organized a protest: a bunch of us made MAXI skirts and agreed to wear them on the same day, accessorized with love beads and flowers in our hair -- none of which was forbidden by the dress code, so they couldn't send us home. Pretty soon thereafter, we were allowed to wear "tailored slacks" (not jeans!) to school. By 1971, jeans were allowed but I don't remember exactly when the transition happened. I had the coolest red-white-&-blue pin-striped bell-bottom Levi's (which my children still do not believe, LOL). Shorts were not allowed, of course, at any time. While hemlines weren't very often measured, I do remember that boys' hair was checked to make sure it didn't touch their collars.... That must've changed sometime around 1970.... By 1972, the boys who were able were wearing moustaches as well. Thanks for the memory trip! Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 20:52:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340qim9023031 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:52:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l340qVWA004368 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:52:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340pujN048635; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:51:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340pqpA064970; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:51:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [206.18.177.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340pmSp064869 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:51:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070404005142b1400nrja4e>; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 00:51:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:51:41 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] elastic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3eb81532-43dd-4886-b77e-436a52af2cd0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4612F6CF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Does anyone know when elastic was first used in clothing and how? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 20:58:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340w5dO023315 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:58:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l340vqYL027669 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:57:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340vT5R049370; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:57:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340vRtO068033; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340vOEL067976 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27230 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:51:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:51:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 727eb624-1f73-4651-adb7-142006621b5b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4612F810.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Surely everyone is home now, but if they're like me, they're nowhere near unpacked. So I'll start, and y'all chime in and fill in where I forget. The CC25 committee did a smashing job. The hotel venue was well-situated and conveniently laid out, and I didn't hear one word of complaint about the site, which is a rare thing indeed. Programming covered a wide range and started on time (OK, I delayed mine a bit, but only because I was talking all day nonstop and needed to hit the bathrooms in between, as did some of my audience). To mark the 25th anniversary, there were some brilliant exhibits of photos and costumes going back to the very first Costume-Con. Genie Hillen ran a truly hospitable hospitality suite and seemed to be able to read the minds of everyone who walked in, producing thin mints and bottled water (for this non-soda-drinker) like a magician. And the sort of small touches that really make a difference were in evidence everywhere -- badge holders in the form of small wallet pouches (really helpful to costumed people), witty rock-and-roll theme session names / decorations / background music, good signage, etc. This may have been the best organized con I have ever attended. I'm not a competitor, but I enjoy seeing the brilliant and beautiful things other people come up with. And there were plenty of competitions: decorated shoes, doll costuming, hall costumes. Plus the usual two big "masquerades" (f/sf and historical), which for those who haven't seen them are really stage shows with costumes presented as performance art, and the Future Fashion Show, in which costumers choose designs submitted earlier by entrants to the Future Fashion Folio. The FFS/FFF are my favorite events, and this year's crop included some very witty plays on the themes of "red hat society" and "orange." The f/sf Best In Show went to a cosplay group doing "Trinity Blood," and the historical Best in Show went to a 1940s torch singer. I'm sure all the winners will be listed eventually on the official CC websites, but I'll let the listmembers who competed fill in anything relevant here. (Yes, folks, blow your own horns please.) Hall costumes were everywhere; I'd say roughly half the people wandering around at any given time had some element of costume on them, ranging from funny hats to full-dress historicals, cosplay, furries, and everything in between. I met more h-costumers than I expected. Dawn showed up at the Friday social in strategically arranged black spandex and red vinyl. Tearose arrived with a pocketful of red "H" pins for those h-costumers lucky enough to find her; she also won a well-deserved prize in the doll costume contest, and I lost track of how many historicals I saw her in, though I remember her Flemish peasant because she borrowed my chemise ;-) Sunshine Buechler, who changed periods every time I saw her, was a vision in the historical masquerade, where she won a major prize (and I'll let her tell you what, and what for, because I won't do it justice). Of course Pierre and Sandy were working their tushes off, and made appearances in their trademark dazzling assemblages of shiny fabric and fantastic headdresses. E House was there, and Margaret Decker, and Donna Cascio (Cassandra), and Mary Piero Carey, and many others I'm sure I know from the list in past years but don't know if they're still on these days. I must have walked past Judy Mitchell at least three times because she kept changing outfits and I kept not recognizing her with new hair/clothes. Ann Catelli for once was *not* at my lectures, but since she's been three times already, I'll let her off the hook -- besides, she was pretty busy working as stage ninja for the masquerades. As noted, I lectured all day Saturday, and a lot of us descended on the Steak 'n' Shake next door to keep nattering over lunch. The lecture audience was a great mix of re-enactors, theatrical types, cosplay folks, etc. who asked good questions and kept me on my toes. For the first time, I made and wore a hall costume, because where else could I find anyone who would understand the idea of a Goth Fitted Dress? A preliminary photo is here: http://www.tancos2.net/robin/goth033007.jpg I'm afraid the black fabric makes it hard to see that this is a standard lace-up, wool-and-linen GFD, but with a black chemise and veil, and modern Goth accessories -- lace gauntlets, neck ribbon, tattoos (no, I don't have a permanent lizard on my bosom), and a death-warmed-over makeup job with pale foundation, bruise-purple eyeshadow, blood-red nail polish and lipstick. I think this is the first time I have ever used eyeliner, and probably the first time I've had on eyeshadow since my wedding. (Said one friend, "You're wearing eye makeup! How un-Robin!") Not visible here are the black hiking boots and fishnet stockings. My companion, who was good-natured enough to dress to match (and grateful I didn't put eyeliner on *him*), said I was "charmingly creepy." Heh. He took about 300 photos, so I'll post a link when they're up, in a few days. Costume-Con will be in San Jose in 2008, Baltimore in 2009, and Milwaukee in 2010. I have been asked to speak at the latter, but I don't know yet if it conflicts with Kalamazoo. Somehow I think the Goth Fitted Dress would not exactly work for the International Medieval Congress ... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 21:05:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3415sD1023739 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:05:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3415ffw023007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:05:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3415FPj051078; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3415ABL073316; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:05:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.205]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l34156OC073164 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 19:05:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: (qmail 26192 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2007 01:05:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.105?) (mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@75.8.224.68 with plain) by smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2007 01:05:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: EAW1QLoVM1mijQXBuRnIUxjI7UaVurDHKRJP6Ijw8SjEoG4qX05dWYr1k4A7VjIeJx.AiaSjgA-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070329081257.036d6c88@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO> <7.0.1.0.2.20070329081257.036d6c88@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:04:58 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d75e213-7f15-4be9-8b6a-1e29270cd9ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4612F9E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I remember fringed jackets as Western wear. My mother had one that she had purchased in the early 50's. She's never quite forgiven me (nor have I forgiven myself) for leaving it out in the rain. I don't think they were around much in the early 60's. My brother saved his money up for one, but my parents couldn't find one anywhere near us, even though we lived in rural California where Western wear was the norm. They finally found one on a trip to, of all places, New York City! Didn't Dennis Hopper wear a fringed jacket in "Easy Rider"? Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 22:09:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3429KYd027556 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:09:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34297tH004202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:09:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3428JUj061250; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:08:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3428Gos011645; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:08:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alpha.vaxxine.com (alpha.vaxxine.com [209.5.212.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3428CKp011617 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:08:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from alderweb@vaxxine.com) Received: from pc ([209.5.212.16]) by vaxxine.com (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id l3427tUI026536 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:07:58 -0400 (EDT) X-RCPT-To: Received: from ppp104.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net (alderweb@ppp104.digi-t3.st-cath.niagara.net [209.5.232.104]) by slipstream2 (SlipStream SP Server 5.0.181 built 2006/07/19 10:14:46 -0400 (EDT)); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:04:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Originating-IP: [209.5.232.104] X-Originating-User: [alderweb] Message-ID: From: "david webb" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46118481.3090604@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:18:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 437ead64-5a95-4691-bbf7-ab3c30d4f691 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461308C3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Maybe someone's mentioned this already, but the very best style for a tall girl particularly, and ALLl women in general - is GOOD POSTURE! Makes the boobs higher and perkier, narrows the waist and minimizes the gut - instant way to look like you're dropped ten pounds and a zillion degrees more confidence and control. A while back I found myself watching a documentary with the sound off (don't ask!) and my first thought was that the interviewer had to be American because she had what I think to myself as "the seventies slouch" because that seemed to be almost fashionable stance when I was an adolescent and so many people my age (50's) disfigure themselves with really bad posture. When I turned on the sound to check, I was correct - it was an Afro-American woman interviewing all these erect but relaxed, graceful people from some small village in Africa, somewhere. The American stuck out like a sort thumb. End of lecture! Sheridan Alder - 5' 9" and still working on it when tired - starts to slump! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 22:37:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342bu0b029164 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:37:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l342biNg010670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:37:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342b9O1066159; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342b8CR028234; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342b5il028167 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F31C9FCD for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:37:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46130F73.1030807@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:37:39 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] elastic References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 440cf589-3cf3-4fd4-aec8-79eef8f023ab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46130F78.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > Does anyone know when elastic was first used in clothing and how? > I don't have sources for this, but it developed in the early 1800s. Rubber had been used on cloth to make waterproof clothing, and then it was pressed and cut into strips for belts and things. It wasn't terribly stretchy like what we have now, and it tended to be pretty sticky. Rubber "thread" wrapped with fiber was developed to counter the stickiness, and became the kind of elastic we use in clothing now. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 22:38:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342c3eZ029169 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:38:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l342boOu015742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:37:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342bYPq066287; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342bXKR028536; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.200.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342bS7j028439 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070404023723015008lrj6e>; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:37:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <7076ea4da90cf9415b56b64133738453@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:37:22 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1850s-60s question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b8c94f8-185a-44ab-8a69-15065868d48c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46130F7E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In my research on women's clothing from this period, which I am undertaking at the moment, I keep coming across the word "chip" used as a material for bonnets. The drawings of such bonnets look like they are made of straw to me, but they seem to be distinguished from straw hats, which are described as such, in some fashion. Does anyone know what kind of material chip was? Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 22:53:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342r59S029939 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:53:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l342qqkS003651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:52:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342qQXp068003; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:52:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342qNmY036204; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:52:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342qJ1f036132 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9668EC9FE0 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:52:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46131306.4050000@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:52:54 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1850s-60s question References: <7076ea4da90cf9415b56b64133738453@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <7076ea4da90cf9415b56b64133738453@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1cefb3d4-90b9-4c32-a639-8a61f0a7b5cb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46131304.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > In my research on women's clothing from this period, which I am > undertaking at the moment, I keep coming across the word "chip" used as > a material for bonnets. The drawings of such bonnets look like they are > made of straw to me, but they seem to be distinguished from straw hats, > which are described as such, in some fashion. Does anyone know what > kind of material chip was? > Oooh! I was just reading about that in one of my Christmas-gift books. Hats and Bonnets from Snowshill, by Althea Mackenzie. There's a picture of the inside of a deteriorating hat and it says it's "constructed of chip made from fine slivers of wood that offered a cheaper alternative to straw. The chip is covered with fawn paper and a layer of blue-black silk." It looks like the chip strips (heh) are maybe 1/4 inch wide, and they're woven together like a basket. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 3 22:58:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342woEK030225 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:58:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l342wa1P004886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:58:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342wGRu069388; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:58:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342wEYR040170; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:58:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l342wAKB040060 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B6CC9FD3 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 21:58:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46131464.7050403@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 21:58:44 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7ac0d7af-e878-4b26-8dcf-f69d640496cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4613145C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 03 Apr 2007 22:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > > For the first time, I made and wore a hall costume, because where else > could I find anyone who would understand the idea of a Goth Fitted Dress? > A preliminary photo is here: > http://www.tancos2.net/robin/goth033007.jpg That was a great dress, Robin! And your lectures were really interesting. I didn't mean to stay for all of them, but after you got started, I couldn't make myself leave.... Here's a pic of a few of us H-Costumers at the Friday Social. Yeah, that's me in the red and black. :) http://www.reddawn.net/costume/H-costumecon.jpg I was impressed by the overall quality of the costuming there, and the relatively large numbers of well-made hostorical costumes that were around. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 04:10:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l348AbHb007984 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 04:10:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l348AOtA015331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 04:10:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3489rf6036731; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:09:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3489nMG027951; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3489iMf027917 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.27305534; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:09:36 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l3489Vd29367.; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:09:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:09:31 +0100 Message-Id: <46136B4102000014000CEC1E@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:09:21 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: The Attifet revisted References: <200704040105.l3415DPN073357@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200704040105.l3415DPN073357@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6be66f43-5e14-49ac-829c-0ad0a4c3e7e0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46135D70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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"Atifet - Cette coiffure s=E9v=E8re, port=E9e par la veuve de Henri II et = les=20 dames nobles de Paris jusqu'a la fin du XVIe si=E8cle, rehaussait par = deux=20 petites arcades les cot=E9s du front et couvrait la chevelure d'un = voile=20 retombant sur les =E9paules. 1590 - Le nobili matrone di Parigi non si lasciano veder il viso ... la = lor=20 acconciatura di testa e chiamata l'atifetto, il quale fa due archi dall=20 parte de fronte, coperto di un veletto attaccato con una punta sopra i=20 capelli del fronte, e poi cade sopra le spalle, e sotto di esso veletto = si=20 vedon i capelli ricci ben accommodati (Vecellio, t. II, p 238, edit. = Didot.) [Atifet - This severe coiffure, worn by the widow of Henri II and the = noble=20 ladies of Paris around the end of the 16th century, elevated by two = small=20 arcs on either sids of the front and covering the hair with a veil = falling=20 to the shoulders.] [The noble matrons of Paris do not let their faces be seen...they arrange = a=20 style on the head and call it the atifetto, which has two archs on = either=20 side of the front, covered with a small veil attached to a point above = the=20 hair in the front, and then falls to above the shoulders, and beneath = the=20 small veil their curly hair is quite accommodated.] Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 08:54:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34CsfP5023121 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:54:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34CsSFC032254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:54:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Crnbh080681; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 06:53:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34CrjiB082534; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 06:53:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Crgcl082488 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 06:53:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.28.8] (core-dc-3-8.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.28.8]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34CrbZm015714 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 05:53:38 -0700 Message-ID: <4613920E.8070504@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 07:54:54 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con References: <46131464.7050403@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <46131464.7050403@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbf4ccfe-4ac0-4482-9c85-54af6771b704 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4613A004.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dawn wrote: > I was impressed by the overall quality of the costuming there, and the > relatively large numbers of well-made hostorical costumes that were around. yup, there are some serious historic costumers around. and in 2 years it comes to Baltimore where I'm the Historic Masquerade Director! I'm hoping for lots of good entries, so come on out. We're working on getting a website up, so no url to point you to (reg is $70 til the end of the year). -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 10:07:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34E7BYB026571 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:07:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34E6vZk002209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:07:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34E6B60091861; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:06:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34E654j031499; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.adelphia.net (mta3.adelphia.net [68.168.78.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34E61m8031338 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 08:06:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.85.184]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20070404135846.JDSQ12662.mta9.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:58:46 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46130F73.1030807@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <46130F73.1030807@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] elastic Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:58:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16386 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16386 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=100% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 823d6d3f-3e1c-46bb-ad98-48a749e63f51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4613B102.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO According to _Handbook of English Costume in the 19th Century_ by C Willett Cunnington and Phillis Cunnington, a patent for elastic, made of India Rubber, was filed in Patent Office in 1837. In that same year, elastic sided half boots first appeared. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] elastic > Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > >> Does anyone know when elastic was first used in clothing and how? >> > > I don't have sources for this, but it developed in the early 1800s. Rubber > had been used on cloth to make waterproof clothing, and then it was > pressed and cut into strips for belts and things. It wasn't terribly > stretchy like what we have now, and it tended to be pretty sticky. Rubber > "thread" wrapped with fiber was developed to counter the stickiness, and > became the kind of elastic we use in clothing now. > > > > Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 14:12:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34ICqr7005616 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:12:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34ICdJ6000664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:12:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34ICCJZ032004; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:12:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34IC2Ud058721; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:12:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34IC09m058685 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so258793wra for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:11:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=aPKm3fs+3z1EWmZcZx4clg+dE8GPBaAT3MDqfnNxf3TXE3YFToBymqugw1ds2pn3KSlubSiVwxgHXoFI2tezB3SOnp+1kDHppZfPa75egHK8o+OulcfT8k+Lkpu3JQScxUqI9ji1UiwuzpFD1YiKRV5ZLYrizBCqOt+P3LE/tRo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=n9F/qPjp0irpz4A7MwrYOsviBgTfQgzioylL9wiza7DrO/4yEJgnDZtfLTqkQY5yC2WiNdHjIj/hyKzJwW+swN8CjRJjZVINzziLrx7qP6+LGJNykfhgI2H0+hKgYnhGSOMGS7Rd5Kz1g22i/MsJhwMHQcMYQdG6EUyDTyCWiCQ= Received: by 10.114.60.19 with SMTP id i19mr386301waa.1175710319308; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.131.18 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:11:59 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost , Dawn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: elastic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5d78f61-88d3-40fc-b482-d2465b4d5efe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4613EA97.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >, a patent for elastic, made of India >Rubber, was filed in Patent Office in 1837. In that same year, elastic sided >half boots first appeared. That would be Charles Goodyear who's first(?) business was manufacturing boots, gloves, coats & other wearables out of "India gum rubber". I believe his business was formed 1837 coincident with the patent. You're on your own to look up the rest. I dont remember much more than that. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 14:25:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34IPIrE006142 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:25:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34IP5GM006943 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:25:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34ILvF8033796; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:21:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34ILtKf068905; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34ILp3s068824 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:21:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so162661nzf for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:21:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CBTjV2nhOORlTp56N+NZXx864BVLba1gpQzlvo6O1RECKQ97lQe/R+0CxAQTz2iAPO+w4K+Ay/2DXvtVInJ+Kyen8zFE6g9HqlIT7FHyX8+AFCIIUs/Iy6Cy6aecJwPpCaX5tIbHK6l3KbZloEaRM11Np2FEue+yLAAw1o5uNC4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Wtk5pZzlTz7HLiYlo9z+xxPcQ/9cYeD9029sJSrTj/UkDMH4rpl0epTbi97I/R56YIJuG1+A0GKjYLPYpGR2Y9a9lu72vxGBl15sv02AlURHrng//JCvJDtiHrKHXpYhNI27JyAsXara/9i+OOs+Ex5oEi5qP40BsJI7QxFDHj0= Received: by 10.114.25.3 with SMTP id 3mr369558way.1175710910968; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.131.18 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:21:50 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Attifet Hat Elizabethan Tudor X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0d41a58-94fd-413e-b991-1dcdeec4d18e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4613ED81.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >I have finally found a period citation to the word attifet - in Italian, no >less. I found the citation listed in "Glossaire Archeologique du Moyen Age >et de la Renaissance" by Victor Gay. Vecellio lists the term in his >description of the noble women of Paris. I've translated for us, but still >am learning Italian. I continue to work on finding more information on the >oreillette and have had some success, but will wait until I firm up my ideas >a bit more. "oreillette"? Little ears? Sounds like it should be pasta or cookies. Actually IIRC there is a French gauffrette (wafer or cracker) called an oreillette. I havent heard this term in costume or fashion except to mean "earpiece" as in "oreillette Bluetooth". What fun, something new! --cin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 14:36:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Iat29006674 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:36:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34Iagmo010596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:36:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34IaCF8036444; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:36:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Ia8dg083496; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Ia6Zi083452 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so165710nzf for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:36:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=F0TVt+UsVr9vuCFOeBaH4RlPwRH+IUGr6P91EH+cC138rNm+oiOWAboSK2yn2eI892LO7IJRKOK0qUzs8x5HIFyyt5uMGrEiWlcc9WtgLBsHhSpuMK8z1ELBhfKmbvrEdIGHa6yc3jF/crZiy+t/ezWo76GM2kYz6TOalBZWyCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=IqaeXVJB+Ck0uOrYU7gHbuRp6wKIkddrclMZ7f+qVHrbRfMMWw0z3vaqGNQlHAKpYApbj0/VPQfDOY3Ql7cmeh5nc4df/W4osSz4LlGDMLw7ziDE1rwmJzpjX/S4n0Qb8uLJDl8nN8+lVTPOW5q2xguinswNuE2OS5T4CANziz0= Received: by 10.114.155.1 with SMTP id c1mr376245wae.1175711764996; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.131.18 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:36:04 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fashion in Art Museums X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6ffb72a-0784-48df-8fed-9b5d0928ca7c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4613F03A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200705/postrel-fashion Try the slideshow in the box to the right. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 14:45:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34IjkRq007013 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:45:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34IjXtp013138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:45:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Ij7PE038154; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Ij3Ej092640; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:45:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Iixn8092511 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 12:44:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so110311pyb for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:44:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DNmb2/KVcYRu/ADaPPFn/9enYpgM/MIoyuGdAtJ23SkNSKeHekrhdTECwxVhH64LYgtVT7Ab0mNWO3IKltGtuZiRgLRpcwDWzG042kLTxaVax1VnEVrvQS8y6lhHxjzIYIPrpuZo4t0/3PjvtMtV4NC6+fW3WCNw7oNkdG7jVRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rL7fOCDN0a7CExqa+jLJ7zI5ZwTt0iWS33Rw4395ntVHTGMev/rsb8R+K2WWy5bTKZgk9T1u0FP4sVCNkpB2ag/Oj4H7ceEFgFcrttB9K0t1/TQ11Br31scAEG2eZe1tdG2T+uxjTO/mRX06jGkvOL4aa6aL4A9llthpgMWZdk8= Received: by 10.65.107.10 with SMTP id j10mr1854476qbm.1175712296454; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.242.9 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0704041144y957166ci4680fda002310a6f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:44:56 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: elastic In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=33% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9b4c4e2a-a04c-48b9-98ec-fd78e261f28a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4613F24D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If I remember correctly - books at home, me at work - it took several years (maybe 10-15?) before elastic moved to clothing and corsets after its initial use in boots. LynnD On 4/4/07, Cin wrote: > >, a patent for elastic, made of India > >Rubber, was filed in Patent Office in 1837. In that same year, elastic sided > >half boots first appeared. > > That would be Charles Goodyear who's first(?) business was > manufacturing boots, gloves, coats & other wearables out of "India gum > rubber". I believe his business was formed 1837 coincident with the > patent. You're on your own to look up the rest. I dont remember much > more than that. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 16:24:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34KO8vh011504 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:24:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34KNsrV027705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:23:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34KMaep055468; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34KMUBq084631; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34KMQv3084582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.63] (209-148-118-63.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l34KMOM1008645 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:22:25 -0700 Message-ID: <46140900.4000906@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:22:24 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Dress and Fashion X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1130e75c-8d23-45f1-878a-d3009ab1cbf6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4614095B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 17:44:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Liee5015149 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:44:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34LiR6x016376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:44:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34LhpPX068940; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:43:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34LhkWe062288; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:43:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.192.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34LhgMk062180 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:43:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704042143.l34LhgMk062180@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070404214336m1200cgin9e>; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:43:37 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:43:43 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Best styles for tall girls - OT In-Reply-To: <002e01c7759d$249fdbc0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <46118481.3090604@rogers.com> <002e01c7759d$249fdbc0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d33462e-fe77-4ccb-b8f9-07d963b2746a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46141C3B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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It might be the colors that she was wearing, or some other subtle clue. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 18:02:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34M2p7o015925 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:02:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34M2cZO021967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:02:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34M2E6f071276; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:02:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34M2BSf077909; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:02:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34M27Sm077846 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:02:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30968 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:55:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:55:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Dress and Fashion In-Reply-To: <46140900.4000906@lavoltapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a06a80a2-c135-4664-9437-a22ecc29b67e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4614207E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Lavolta Press wrote: > Which is the title of Margaret Scott's new book, though I'm not > positive she's still alive. Does anyone know if this is new material, > or recycled or retitled from one or more of her previous books? She was actively publishing scholarly articles just a few years ago, and she is relatively young. The book info page describes her as now being a freelance writer. The blurb for the book suggests something quite different from what she's done before; it appears to be focused on dress in manuscript painting (despite the broadly phrased title). I have a request in to see a review copy of the book, so I'll let you know when I get it. Book blurb is here: http://shop.bl.uk/mall/productpage.cfm/BritishLibrary/ISBN%5F0712306757 --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 18:37:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34MbpAS017744 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:37:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l34Mbc9U014327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:37:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34MbCJh075949; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:37:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34MbARL007971; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34Mb6fx007923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 16:37:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.63] (209-148-118-63.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l34MacXX011692 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:36:56 -0700 Message-ID: <46142873.80800@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:36:35 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Dress and Fashion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f09569d8-ebcb-43d4-978a-f0d86598b8a3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461428B2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks. I have ordered a copy. Fran Robin Netherton wrote: The blurb for the book suggests something quite > different from what she's done before; it appears to be focused on dress > in manuscript painting (despite the broadly phrased title). I have a > request in to see a review copy of the book, so I'll let you know when I > get it. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 20:01:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3501pXF021680 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:01:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3501c4M006710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:01:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35015XE089433; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3500xTe071960; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:00:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3500sJQ071885 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31355 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:54:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:54:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con In-Reply-To: <46131464.7050403@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96a9313c-4fda-41a8-b10d-d2347c79b141 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46143C62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Dawn wrote: > Here's a pic of a few of us H-Costumers at the Friday Social. Yeah, > that's me in the red and black. :) > > http://www.reddawn.net/costume/H-costumecon.jpg Let's see. I've forgotten the name of the lady on the left, with the doll. Judy Mitchell is in the white t-shirt. Then me in goth Gothic, Dawn gone wild, and Tearose. The glow-sticks were being used as admission tokens and are not parts of the costumes! My friend Don, who was at my elbow snapping pictures for most of the con, has just put up a few on his blog. This is an anime blog so he's focused mostly on cosplay costumes (most of which go right over my head), but there are others here too, and he'll be posting much more in the next few days. For now: http://tancos2.pmachinehosting.com/animelog_comments.php?id=P2991_0_2_0 Second photo is the Best In Show group entry of "Trinity Blood." About halfway down are Dawn and Tearose as pirates (there was a pirate theme for hall costumes one day). The pseudo-Munsch picture is the back of a bowling shirt; some time ago the St. Louis Costume Guild did a series of shirts in the styles of various artists. Below that is a junior masquerade entry that won an award for being "Too Cute To Live." I don't know the rest. http://tancos2.pmachinehosting.com/animelog_comments.php?id=2992_0_2_0_C These are mostly from the masquerades. Top, Gypsy Ames in a truly impressive Hindu-goddess-inspired-something- or-other; I was too bedazzled to note the name as her presentation was a showstopper. A bit lower is a manticore that also won a top masquerade award; I learned later that the fellow inside works with big cats for a living, which may explain why he moved so realistically in that thing. Some ways down, the woman with the flower in her hair and the dotty dress is the 1940s torch singer who won Best In Show at the historical masquerade; I was amused to see later, close up, that the dots on the dress are actually little chickens. Then a masquerade entry "The Eyes and Ears of Pharoah," and below that a very beautiful and fanciful interpretation (with moving stick puppets) of the Hobbit. And ending with Don and me in our Goth-ic, already posted here. I probably missed some h-costumers in my sporadic IDs. Identify yourselves! More to come. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 20:04:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35043oH021770 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:04:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3503oGU007346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:03:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3503SCD089964; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:03:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3503ReL073883; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:03:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3503OMA073768 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65153 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2007 00:03:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xLQ19Jf5vtAtIhmdVpd1I1E0AB72g6bWKvqq3AKym4KudnvhAYr/sWpeHdqadYjfSOXxSwLED6u4O05VfKnmUDIRL0yQ6BKDX/D2mDRyS6m60AXWt4kneG+WJcRIY3/l3LkKJccpYC2mTI+kP+rARnvU0f5X/u/F6o5QlezgTe4=; X-YMail-OSG: fBlDAroVM1laev5yfkRUJXCM41C52sR.EGHwfydiz9QwN6ls4vqX5qaP3xnY4wmGhYVm7EQb2ahwItVLqEbqykuG2eXZiwapi7inCrt4UmLa.RlmdzAy.GT9kaztoCLSJ7sqfo6x1Hl9hhu8RHX57j2L Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:03:19 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <592260.64952.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6d44058-a991-4c80-9344-4b6d80b63248 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46143CE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin, Is there any way we Californians can convince you to visit our area for next year's Costume Con? Kimiko Robin Netherton wrote: Costume-Con will be in San Jose in 2008, Baltimore in 2009, and Milwaukee in 2010. I have been asked to speak at the latter, but I don't know yet if it conflicts with Kalamazoo. Somehow I think the Goth Fitted Dress would not exactly work for the International Medieval Congress ... --Robin --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 20:59:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l350xrvJ023785 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:59:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l350xd6G031430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:59:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l350xGDp099407; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l350xC9s011239; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:59:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34LriMS070839 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:53:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HZDQF-000EBY-2m for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:53:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:52:29 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] FW: The Attifet revisted References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Turnpike/6.06-U () X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=53% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 591f1c45-6d07-4de5-aa75-0301372353e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461449FB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jean WickedFrau wrote >Sorry if this is a repost, I don’t see it showing up on the list. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Katherine Barich" >To: >Here's the quote from page 82 (note the one t) > >"Atifet - Cette coiffure sévère, portée par la veuve de Henri II et les >dames nobles de Paris jusqu'a la fin du XVIe siècle, rehaussait par deux >petites arcades les cotés du front et couvrait la chevelure d'un voile >retombant sur les épaules. > >1590 - Le nobili matrone di Parigi non si lasciano veder il viso ... la lor >acconciatura di testa e chiamata l'atifetto, il quale fa due archi dall >parte de fronte, coperto di un veletto attaccato con una punta sopra i >capelli del fronte, e poi cade sopra le spalle, e sotto di esso veletto si >vedon i capelli ricci ben accommodati (Vecellio, t. II, p 238, edit. Didot.) > >[Atifet - This severe coiffure, worn by the widow of Henri II and the noble >ladies of Paris around the end of the 16th century, elevated by two small >arcs on either sids of the front and covering the hair with a veil falling >to the shoulders.] > >[The noble matrons of Paris do not let their faces be seen...they arrange a >style on the head and call it the atifetto, which has two archs on either >side of the front, covered with a small veil attached to a point above the >hair in the front, and then falls to above the shoulders, and beneath the >small veil their curly hair is quite accommodated.] > >Katherine > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 21:00:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3510D4Q023804 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:00:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35100Mt015071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:00:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l350xd0m099499; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l350xcOI011570; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:59:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l35025V3072764 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:02:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39030 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2007 00:02:00 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AhZ4+5x1GyqpA0Tt9VBFjoVtIgeLNq23WblPdpY7AgtoGf08lZJimyAZq9HMSfR20SrlG+wQtI7IouSj16LofFuDWXipzDqWKHN1MeHxJukXaMRAHx4SR1NvmaDlVKykGieMzUrNGia9PXzuodhYLOwIr1i4kB73NoxmX9/WfjQ=; X-YMail-OSG: _opIhpoVM1n.FO.c_Ydp0hQgGpI6svPMY0XyRT_iZ.sI2JO6vVDZeh_UyL7pTvNpkXk_9zdQoBH4a5EyDq0hBwHqhSl6Q5tbUM2jpVLfMcKTVZJy.Tg- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:02:00 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Dress and Fashion To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <370352.37987.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 077a5de9-1c78-4804-8447-350ca1d8ddfb X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46144A10.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Travel to find your fit. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 21:16:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l351GI5F024476 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:16:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l351G5Lk014165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:16:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l351FZdB001240; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:15:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l351FWNp020978; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l351FT41020933 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:15:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31593 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:09:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:09:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con In-Reply-To: <592260.64952.qm@web32212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c011bc59-430f-406d-9935-ba3e287c7107 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46144DD5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(Responded privately in more detail to Kimiko.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 21:52:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l351queA026249 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:52:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l351qhXG015927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:52:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l351qDjE005614; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l351qB8H043814; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:52:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l351q7uf043779 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.186] (pm5-186.eos.net [205.133.149.186]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l351q6Bc017503 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:52:07 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:33:36 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200704040105.l3415DPL073357@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: school dress codes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5dae3ca-48ee-4bef-b9cf-d11f4fab2f32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4614566B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ed wrote: > The end of the mini-skirt no-bra era was a disaster. > For whom? You are making that whole post up, right? Either that, or you went to school in a different country from the one the rest of the people posted in! Gail Finke (In elementary school at the time -- I don't know what the rules were, I just wore what Mom gave me.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 22:06:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3526Vv1026790 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:06:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3526HSx029901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:06:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3525lnv006773; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3525jnv052912; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:05:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.225.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3525WeI052681 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:05:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070405020527b1400nriqte>; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:05:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: school dress codes Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:05:25 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea28254f-60f4-4247-b1b1-ede459beea48 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46145999.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ed's a guy! Of course he would think it was a disaster! ;-) On Apr 4, 2007, at 7:33 PM, Gail & Scott Finke wrote: > Ed wrote: > >> The end of the mini-skirt no-bra era was a disaster. >> > > For whom? > > You are making that whole post up, right? Either that, or you went to > school > in a different country from the one the rest of the people posted in! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 22:22:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l352MJeC027241 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:22:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l352M6ve009547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:22:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l352LdfT008613; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:21:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l352LapI063414; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:21:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l352LXhx063328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:21:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-15-93.desm.qwest.net [75.162.15.93]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l352LRB9011651 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:21:27 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200704040105.l3415AvM073318@net.indra.com> References: <200704040105.l3415AvM073318@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <8B025FD6-7F37-4433-8049-1678260DE44C@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] CostumeCon Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:21:25 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/3015/Wed Apr 4 19:14:32 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a81850d-082c-4433-a6d6-0846fa0a3bd9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46145D4E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 3, 2007, at 8:05 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Costume-Con will be in San Jose in 2008, Baltimore in 2009, and > Milwaukee > in 2010. I have been asked to speak at the latter, but I don't know > yet if > it conflicts with Kalamazoo. Somehow I think the Goth Fitted Dress > would > not exactly work for the International Medieval Congress ... > > --Robin But think how we could change the whole tone of the Saturday dance, eh? Seriously, I was disappointed to hear them announce that the Milwaukee con will be in May instead of April. I thought the Milwaukee venue might be doable for me since I live in the Midwest, and I was going to suggest that they schedule more of the historical and ethnic sessions, but I'll always choose Kalamazoo first so never mind. It was a fun weekend. I'm now inspired to make more and better historical gear... and if I ever go to another CostumeCon, I'll be sure to bring Conan the Librarian along, too! (Where else could I get away with that?) Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 23:15:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353FfpM028514 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:15:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l353FSUn002056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:15:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353ExO3013936; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:14:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353Et0Y095568; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:14:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353Eob9095485 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:14:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.28.91] (core-dc-3-91.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.28.91]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353EfpY003983 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:14:42 -0700 Message-ID: <46145BE2.8060109@theoldforest.net> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:16:02 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 999c576d-e7b7-4497-852d-3e8cedf36d11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461469D0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: >> http://www.reddawn.net/costume/H-costumecon.jpg > > > Let's see. I've forgotten the name of the lady on the left, with the doll. That is Ann Catelli > Judy Mitchell is in the white t-shirt. yup: I was a rock fan - in my "Viking World Tour" t-shirt (you never heard of The Vikings? kinda like The Chieftains, only Scandinavian ) -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 23:28:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353SY4V028814 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:28:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l353SKHQ020975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:28:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35265Gf006828; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:06:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l352648l053119; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3525xX3053052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l352HubM017641 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:17:57 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] elastic Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:14:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <46130F73.1030807@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704042214.59164.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91300faf-8167-4ab6-969c-cdea17f2966a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46146CD4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wednesday 04 April 2007 12:58 pm, Gilbert wrote: > According to _Handbook of English Costume in the 19th Century_ by C Willett > Cunnington and Phillis Cunnington, a patent for elastic, made of India > Rubber, was filed in Patent Office in 1837. In that same year, elastic > sided half boots first appeared. Thank you for digging that up! I thought I remembered that elastic was first used in half-boots around 1840, but I'd forgotten the sourece. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 4 23:29:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353TkDK028840 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:29:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l353TX2e021911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:29:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353TDjf015239; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353TAIw003785; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l353T6aa003707 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:29:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.26]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070405032901.DIUF3783.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:29:01 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.26]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070405032900.VYXL5115.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 22:29:00 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:28:49 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Dress and Fashion In-Reply-To: <200704050206.l3526545053149@net.indra.com> References: <200704050206.l3526545053149@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070405032900.VYXL5115.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=36% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 007d527f-6d97-499d-8d47-611571d9deee X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46146D1D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 04 Apr 2007 23:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I pre-ordered my copy last February from Amazon-CA (best price). I received a note from them yesterday saying that the order was delayed. Beth At 09:06 PM 4/4/2007, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:02:00 -0700 (PDT) >From: Kimiko Small >Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval Dress and Fashion >To: Historical Costume >Message-ID: <370352.37987.qm@web32208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Hi Robin, > > When you get in a copy, please let us know your review, even tho > Fran already ordered it. I am curious but not enough to buy it > until I know how well it would work for me. Fran, if you want to > give a review as well when you get it in, please do. > > Thank you both, > > Kimiko > > >Robin Netherton wrote: > I have a >request in to see a review copy of the book, so I'll let you know when I >get it. > >Book blurb is here: >http://shop.bl.uk/mall/productpage.cfm/BritishLibrary/ISBN%5F0712306757 > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 01:57:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l355vJW0002462 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 01:57:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l355v6hg026366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 01:57:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l355uUYv031067; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:56:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l355uOtD085346; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l355uLhr085219 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 23:56:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=tggTmDg9hPP5Ni6bwhKkufKTwPk6y5SCxOPFwCdhiLf6YaaYNnl9Rxd/S9OG5U/2; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.225] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HZKxD-0005ar-Jy for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 01:56:15 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070405005128.08eb9070@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 00:55:34 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200703290720.l2T7KbMQ045740@net.indra.com> References: <200703290720.l2T7KbMQ045740@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e534f4018508cc36aa8050b19b72f7cde75d055e3363c3a121e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.225 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Busby Berkeley films X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7720178-b839-47f6-a270-7451474dffaa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46148FB2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I loaned her my Busby Berkley >biography book. Just so happens, the book has a double-spread photo >of the last scene in the film. She went to her D&C professor and >obtained permission to do her senior thesis about Busby Berkeley. I >have loaned her my Gold Diggers video. But she wants to know if >there is a place on the web that she can purchase more of his >films. Does anyone know of a website that sells BB films on video or DVD? > >Penny Ladnier, >Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 04:18:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l358IJxH003847 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 04:18:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l358I6BM009846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 04:18:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l358HU1u044200; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:17:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l358HOwY061419; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:17:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l358HKcf061381 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 02:17:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070405081715.PJIR16221.fep31.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:17:15 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.72]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070405081715.EEMM1379.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:17:15 +0200 Message-ID: <007801c7775a$d90a95a0$48e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46145BE2.8060109@theoldforest.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:17:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.63.231.72] at Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:17:08 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=38% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4e983165-da8b-4ac6-bec2-3d9b7241ff95 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4614B0BE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:18:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ah yes, Its "Vikingarna" in swedish. ha ha......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Mitchell" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 4:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con > Robin Netherton wrote: >>> http://www.reddawn.net/costume/H-costumecon.jpg >> >> >> Let's see. I've forgotten the name of the lady on the left, with the >> doll. > > That is Ann Catelli > >> Judy Mitchell is in the white t-shirt. > > yup: I was a rock fan - in my "Viking World Tour" t-shirt (you never heard > of The Vikings? kinda like The Chieftains, only Scandinavian ) > > -Judy Mitchell > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 09:16:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DGK2F016792 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:16:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35DG7nO020995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:16:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DFAnK099635; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DF5sV016747; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:15:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DF16N016621 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:15:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.72]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:14:32 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l35DEWT49060 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:14:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg2.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 05 Apr 2007 08:14:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:14:30 -0500 References: <200704050206.l3526544053149@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:14:19 -0500 Message-ID: <4614AFD8.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200704050206.l3526544053149@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Back from Costume Con X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 349a02f3-15db-4645-9f2c-c879b7f628ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4614F697.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And ending with Don and me in our Goth-ic, already posted here. I probably missed some h-costumers in my sporadic IDs. Identify yourselves! More to come. --Robin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would have spotted Don a mile away but I don't think I would have recognized you in this ensemble, GFD or not :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 09:30:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DUYkF017357 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:30:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35DUKTd030683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:30:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DTpII003248; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DTmSf027825; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:29:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DTiHL027752 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01540 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:23:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:23:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Back from Costume Con In-Reply-To: <4614AFD8.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5925f1f-173a-46a5-8887-cf433cfca8a5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4614F9EC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Catherine Kinsey wrote: > I would have spotted Don a mile away but I don't think I would have > recognized you in this ensemble, GFD or not :). My teenage son declared that he wouldn't have known it was me if he hadn't seen me come down the stairs in our own house. And several people who knew me didn't recognize me in goth getup at Costume-Con. That made me feel a little better about walking by so many other people I should have known! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 09:46:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DkFfd018007 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:46:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35Dk1Ai001958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:46:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DjRPF007558; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DjOfW040521; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DjJea040460 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:45:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sonja@louisiana.edu) Received: from pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.229]) by marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/ull-ucs-mx-host_1.9a) with ESMTP id l35DjDBe020944 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:45:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from louisiana.edu (skr5996@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/ull-ucs-client_1.7) with ESMTP id l35DjDux027283 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:45:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sonja (LS-LAMP)" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:45:13 -0500 Message-Id: <20070405132030.M97990@louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <200704041800.l34I06td045219@net.indra.com> References: <200704041800.l34I06td045219@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060831 X-OriginatingIP: 130.70.141.184 (skr5996) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elastic X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 581ff623-379c-4855-b3ef-05e7d580b467 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4614FD99.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Does anyone know when elastic was first used in clothing and how? I believe Thomas Hancock developed elastic for gloves in the early 1800s and did a separate patent for the machine to make the elastic in the 1830s.  I found this link: http://www.bouncing-balls.com/index2.htm  _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 09:50:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DoE7C018166 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:50:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35Do1KV021631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:50:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DnRlb008824; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:49:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DnQuD044084; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:49:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35DnLha043998 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:49:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m231.in-tch.com [216.166.191.231]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l35DZC227476 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:35:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001b01c7778a$7b7b0340$e7bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Back from Costume Con Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:58:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92db71c1-02e0-4973-9446-22a39390d255 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4614FE89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've met you, and I wouldn't have known it was you, either, from the photographs! --Sue, who'd love to go to one of these things some day.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Back from Costume Con > My teenage son declared that he wouldn't have known it was me if he hadn't > seen me come down the stairs in our own house. And several people who knew > me didn't recognize me in goth getup at Costume-Con. That made me feel a > little better about walking by so many other people I should have known! > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 10:36:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35EaYRh019957 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:36:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35EaLLb030416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 10:36:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35EZiju021849; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:35:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35EZcvb085252; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [206.18.177.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35EZXSx085100 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070405143527b1300jm94me>; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:35:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20070405132030.M97990@louisiana.edu> References: <200704041800.l34I06td045219@net.indra.com> <20070405132030.M97990@louisiana.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elastic Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:35:26 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22102a58-95bb-4314-80f2-549fa0c463b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46150965.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO So was elastic used for women's stocking garters in the 1800s? If not,=20= how did they keep them up before garters were attached to corsets? On Apr 5, 2007, at 7:45 AM, Sonja (LS-LAMP) wrote: >> Does anyone know when elastic was first used in clothing and how? > > I believe Thomas Hancock developed elastic for gloves in the early=20 > 1800s and did a separate patent for the machine to make the elastic in=20= > the 1830s.=A0 I found this link:=20 > http://www.bouncing-balls.com/index2.htm=A0 > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 11:08:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35F85MR021213 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:08:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l35F7pRk013239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:07:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35F7EBA029312; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35F7748014323; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:07:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35F6fK5013779 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:07:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAO+sFEbUSnINi2dsb2JhbACPewEBARANBg Received: from [80.43.67.234] (port=3171 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HZTXm-000Pho-FF for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:06:34 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070405160448.036b2480@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:06:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elastic In-Reply-To: References: <200704041800.l34I06td045219@net.indra.com> <20070405132030.M97990@louisiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d93c414a-17af-4e03-9a9f-c965f1ad4623 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461510C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Some late 18th century garters are beautifully embroidered, with mottoes and flowers. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 20:44:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360iXID008548 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:44:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l360iKvF007595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:44:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360heXJ035199; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:43:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360hZrM061063; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:43:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35EPiqh076164 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.225.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.225] helo=faucet.net) by pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HZSuG-0002YZ-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 10:25:44 -0400 Message-ID: <461522C7.8030405@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 11:24:39 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Attifet Hat Elizabethan Tudor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 283dfac1-1af4-4e09-bb0c-15c3942c35bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461597E4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 20:45:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360j5AH008573 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:45:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l360iq5F011495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:44:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360iPNI035447; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:44:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360iNuG061778; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.148]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l35EsABI001512 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 08:54:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 49267 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Apr 2007 14:54:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=s4KsK5TC1sRFCSTI2s8BmA7bTsi0Ld10Kii2L3v1zYS2po6XvvHnyU6jDJZ2HnL89XgULpB9MIH1M5nx3eeCILYAhBnnLbGZLtnRDes7RJV1v9Aw88YB7K6IShY6Qwb0/M+6H4Qocz5agqjn9105zhIREoXDZgQ7Rvo4X8im93s=; X-YMail-OSG: kuko1toVM1ks_mIlEtYd1jF2IagQ5lwMHNgF7QsUyqDqUzKYE71sxlgoP7WFu2ZjJLGVvh3Ju915TiODcKi4rnuZyaf4Wl3WvTNBTflx3g9QVewJ_juOW75SQ9RktQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:54:04 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <906124.31416.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] continuous steel boning X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a5e7cc54-743c-420b-ae5a-520e626ed621 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46159804.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Search weather shortcut. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 20:47:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360lRjR008656 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:47:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l360lE8D012502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:47:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360kkoA035951; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:46:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360kjUl063768; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:46:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l360HJri042517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:17:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l360TMLk005199 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:29:22 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elastic Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:26:18 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200704041800.l34I06td045219@net.indra.com> <20070405132030.M97990@louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <20070405132030.M97990@louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704052026.18869.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6b4f365-7bbd-4579-9604-28a06b77c043 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46159893.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Chiara Francesca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 21:18:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361IRdP009676 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:18:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l361IE3O022341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:18:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361HPKX039259; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:17:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361HNLj083692; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:17:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l32JLoqc043345 for ; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.26]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:21:44 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:21:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:21:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 12:21:24 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c7755c$1ac3f780$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd0aSHAiF84yvcCQlmxqL53W1bNWgA8oKMg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Apr 2007 19:21:44.0801 (UTC) FILETIME=[2693CD10:01C7755C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:17:22 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Attifet revisted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86c9d15e-161b-4ec6-941e-45a82eca8f72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46159FD6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Katherine Barich, who many of you probably know from other the Ren = Tailor and German Ren lists, has found a very interesting find! She has given = me permission to repost this message. =20 _____ =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Katherine Barich" = com> To: r@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:49 AM Subject: [TheRenTailor] The Attifet revisted I hope I didn't send this twice...) - but for SG :) I have finally found a period citation to the word attifet - in Italian, = no=20 less. I found the citation listed in "Glossaire Archeologique du Moyen = Age=20 et de la Renaissance" by Victor Gay. Vecellio lists the term in his=20 description of the noble women of Paris. I've translated for us, but = still=20 am learning Italian. I continue to work on finding more information on = the=20 oreillette and have had some success, but will wait until I firm up my = ideas a bit more. Here's the quote from page 82 (note the one t) "Atifet - Cette coiffure s=E9v=E8re, port=E9e par la veuve de Henri II = et les=20 dames nobles de Paris jusqu'a la fin du XVIe si=E8cle, rehaussait par = deux=20 petites arcades les cot=E9s du front et couvrait la chevelure d'un voile = retombant sur les =E9paules. 1590 - Le nobili matrone di Parigi non si lasciano veder il viso ... la = lor=20 acconciatura di testa e chiamata l'atifetto, il quale fa due archi dall=20 parte de fronte, coperto di un veletto attaccato con una punta sopra i=20 capelli del fronte, e poi cade sopra le spalle, e sotto di esso veletto = si=20 vedon i capelli ricci ben accommodati (Vecellio, t. II, p 238, edit. = Didot.) 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Listings, picks news and gossip. =20 =20 __,_._,___=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 21:20:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361K4EV009730 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:20:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l361Jpdf002109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:19:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361JMll039490; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361JMfv084852; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361JIVK084780 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:19:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:19:28 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C777E9.9F2FB218" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elastic Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:19:13 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC5CE@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC5CE@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Elastic Thread-Index: Acd35SgYYmAc7dGbQJCEFXc/nOh9tgABG5Z1 References: <200704041800.l34I06td045219@net.indra.com><20070405132030.M97990@louisiana.edu> <200704052026.18869.cathy@thyrsus.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 01:19:28.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F107650:01C777E9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cbee2050-caa0-4da0-a583-51b4511411b7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4615A037.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C777E9.9F2FB218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Worked for me. =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Catherine Olanich Raymond Sent: Thu 4/5/2007 8:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elastic On Thursday 05 April 2007 9:45 am, Sonja (LS-LAMP) wrote: > > Does anyone know when elastic was first used in clothing and how? > > I believe Thomas Hancock developed elastic for gloves in the early = 1800s > and did a separate patent for the machine to make the elastic in the > 1830s. I found this link: http://www.bouncing-balls.com/index2.htm=20 That link gave me a 404 error. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do."=20 -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C777E9.9F2FB218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C777E9.9F2FB218-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 21:28:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361SS60009990 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:28:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l361SFMH019782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:28:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361Rk69040294; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:27:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361RjCf090048; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361RgvT089983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-15-93.desm.qwest.net [75.162.15.93]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l361RauT004791 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:27:36 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200704060042.l360g4tP059317@net.indra.com> References: <200704060042.l360g4tP059317@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] Robin's Goth Fitted Dress Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:27:35 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/3023/Thu Apr 5 16:11:17 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 087d546a-c8e1-4f7b-b182-2ef1e8a367d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4615A22F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It was superb. I did a double-take and then giggled all the way down the hall. Suzanne (in the "Breugel blue" peasant get-up on Saturday) On Apr 5, 2007, at 7:42 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > From: "Catherine Kinsey" > Date: April 5, 2007 8:14:19 AM CDT > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: Back from Costume Con > Reply-To: Historical Costume > > > And ending with Don and me in our Goth-ic, already posted here. > > I probably missed some h-costumers in my sporadic IDs. Identify > yourselves! > > More to come. > > --Robin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I would have spotted Don a mile away but I don't think I would have > recognized you in this ensemble, GFD or not :). > > Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 21:47:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361lsKD010524 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:47:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l361lf3n008180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:47:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361ku1t042110; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361kqta002073; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.200.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361kne3001997 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070406014640013003fk59e>; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 01:46:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <775801c76f17$c0458160$050ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> References: <001101c76e92$b131cce0$4101a8c0@chass> <4606D001.8060202@cornelius.norman.ok.us> <775801c76f17$c0458160$050ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:46:38 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55ea611d-f24e-4ca8-a097-3ccdbf549e38 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4615A6BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's more than sad. It totally sucks. Pretty soon there will be nowhere to buy fabric except online and I hate shopping for it that way. On Mar 25, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Chiara Francesca wrote: > On the heels of Walmart's recent announcement of closing down their > fabric departments comes more fabric store closing news. Over the last > week I have noticed postings about Hancock's store closings. > > http://www.hkfch11.com/ Tells you why. > > Check your local Hancock's fabric store to see if they are on the list > for closing down. > > While these closings mean good deals on fabric and notions, the short > term score truly means that some places will have one less spot to get > quality fabric. I really enjoyed working for them in my college years. > This is really sad to watch happen. > > Chiara Francesca > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 22:20:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l362KfSK011513 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:20:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l362KS2V009965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:20:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361HiLk039332; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361Hikm083953; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:17:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.78]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l340aj3C055568 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 18:36:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyepaige@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.61.89]) by bay0-omc1-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:36:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 17:36:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 72.205.30.105 by BAY102-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 00:36:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [72.205.30.105] X-Originating-Email: [ladyepaige@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ladyepaige@hotmail.com From: "paige" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00c601c771dd$8ee127a0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s-70s School Dress Codes Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:36:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7762F.C5997EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Apr 2007 00:36:40.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F8010D0:01C77651] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:17:22 -0600 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47cdda83-45e5-4b6d-b706-e9bb5d191aa4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4615AE6C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7762F.C5997EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sixties Dress codes.(1965-1967....Girls were not allowed to wear slacks, jean or shorts to school, thought to be too daring. Skirts had to be no more than one inch above the knee, if thought it was,would be required to kneel and length would be measured. If shorted the girl was sent home. We were not suppose to wear sleeveless dresses or blouses...but since school did not have air conditioning it was allowed. Cheerleader and drill team, no short skirts, they came to the knee also... Preferred dress code, dressed or skirts and blouses. The fellows had it just a tough....if they had pants with belt loops, there must be a belt. Tied shoes must be tied. All must wear socks with their shoes. In fall many would purchase new long sleeve shirts...by springtime elbows would be bare, they were allowed to cut them off but they had to get them hemmed. Hair could not be longer than the collar unless they could prove they were a member of a band/rock group. Some of the fellows who's hair did not meet school standards had letters sent home to parents, if after three attempts to get them in line the Principal and Vice Principal would walk the across the street to the State Trouper Barracks and they would do the hair cuts...more military in length than not. Many in my school were Military Brats and families keep us in line.... Dress codes began to change slowly in Virginia... After hours dress now that was a different thing if the parents would let you out of the house the way you wished to dress. See attached photo I recently found of a group band from 1968 Everything got more interesting as the years moved into the 70"s, very short dresses, just to the fingertips and of course then end of the Vietnam War . Hope my added thoughts are ok with you all. Paige ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7762F.C5997EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C7762F.C5997EE0-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 22:20:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l362KfSM011513 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:20:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l362KS2X009965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:20:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361He2M039318; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l361Heg2083901; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:17:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l33G4CPx009632 for ; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.14]) by bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:04:03 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:04:03 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:03:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 09:03:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c77609$aaf20740$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd0aSHAiF84yvcCQlmxqL53W1bNWgA8oKMgACt3lyA= X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2007 16:04:03.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3425300:01C77609] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 19:17:22 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] FW: The Attifet revisted X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22fa7eca-678c-4d2b-86cb-f879a78f11c7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4615AE6C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 =20 Katherine Barich, who many of you probably know from other the Ren = Tailor and German Ren lists, has found a very interesting find! She has given = me permission to repost this message. =20 Sg =20 ________________________________________ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Katherine Barich" To: Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 12:49 AM Subject: [TheRenTailor] The Attifet revisted =20 I hope I didn't send this twice...) - but for SG :) =20 I have finally found a period citation to the word attifet - in Italian, = no=20 less. I found the citation listed in "Glossaire Archeologique du Moyen = Age=20 et de la Renaissance" by Victor Gay. Vecellio lists the term in his=20 description of the noble women of Paris. I've translated for us, but = still=20 am learning Italian. I continue to work on finding more information on = the=20 oreillette and have had some success, but will wait until I firm up my = ideas a bit more. =20 Here's the quote from page 82 (note the one t) =20 "Atifet - Cette coiffure s=E9v=E8re, port=E9e par la veuve de Henri II = et les=20 dames nobles de Paris jusqu'a la fin du XVIe si=E8cle, rehaussait par = deux=20 petites arcades les cot=E9s du front et couvrait la chevelure d'un voile = retombant sur les =E9paules. =20 1590 - Le nobili matrone di Parigi non si lasciano veder il viso ... la = lor=20 acconciatura di testa e chiamata l'atifetto, il quale fa due archi dall=20 parte de fronte, coperto di un veletto attaccato con una punta sopra i=20 capelli del fronte, e poi cade sopra le spalle, e sotto di esso veletto = si=20 vedon i capelli ricci ben accommodati (Vecellio, t. II, p 238, edit. = Didot.) =20 [Atifet - This severe coiffure, worn by the widow of Henri II and the = noble=20 ladies of Paris around the end of the 16th century, elevated by two = small=20 arcs on either sids of the front and covering the hair with a veil = falling=20 to the shoulders.] =20 [The noble matrons of Paris do not let their faces be seen...they = arrange a=20 style on the head and call it the atifetto, which has two archs on = either=20 side of the front, covered with a small veil attached to a point above = the=20 hair in the front, and then falls to above the shoulders, and beneath = the=20 small veil their curly hair is quite accommodated.] =20 Katherine=20 __._,_.___=20 Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic=20 Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | = Calendar=20 This egroup is based on the website http://www.vertetsable.com - more commonly known as The Renaissance Tailor; Recreating 16th and 17th = Century Clothing.=20 =20 Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! 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Listings, picks news and gossip. =20 __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 22:31:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l362Vacb011867 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:31:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l362VN8o017974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l362UlaV046513; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:30:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l362UjCI029549; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l362UfhQ029440 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:30:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.188] (sjs-130-65-37-188.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.188]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l362UZav024929 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4613920E.8070504@theoldforest.net> References: <46131464.7050403@reddawn.net> <4613920E.8070504@theoldforest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:30:34 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c746444f-97fd-401a-804d-68294527db25 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4615B0FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 4, 2007, at 4:54 AM, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Dawn wrote: >> I was impressed by the overall quality of the costuming there, and >> the relatively large numbers of well-made hostorical costumes that >> were around. > > yup, there are some serious historic costumers around. and in 2 > years it comes to Baltimore where I'm the Historic Masquerade > Director! I'm hoping for lots of good entries, so come on out. > We're working on getting a website up, so no url to point you to > (reg is $70 til the end of the year). We're expecting an absolutely huge historical competition next year in San Jose. California is just loaded with clubs, organizations and businesses that organize re-creation events. The Greater Bay Area Costumers Guild, Period Events Entertainments and Recreations (known as "PEERS," a vintage dance group), the Bay Area English Regency Society and the Renaissance fairs don't even scratch the surface. Our historical masquerade team is very well connected in these circles. Shelly Monson's community/hobbyist credentials are fabulous; she's worked numerous historical fairs in the Bay area and teaches workshops on many different period garments and techniques. Ellie Farrell is the gal who organized and entered "Alice's Restaurant" in historical masquerade a decade or so back to prove that it was possible to document the 1960's just as thoroughly as the 1560's. We're expecting great things from them... andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 5 23:29:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l363TE5v014683 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:29:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l363T1He006536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:29:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l363SMwe052303; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l363SJrP064757; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (mail.accessus.net [209.145.128.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l363SFOT064670 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-Server: EMAIL Received: from [207.206.136.79] (account axejudge@accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.1.7) with HTTP id 488544960 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:28:10 -0500 From: "Karen Heim" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.1.7 Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:28:10 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <46131464.7050403@reddawn.net> <4613920E.8070504@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1";format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ecb425b3-75ff-4061-a5cf-e358a9c2487f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4615BE7D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's why I have virtually no intention of entering if I should make it there. It looks to be a good one to *watch*. Karen On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 19:30:34 -0700 Andrew T Trembley wrote: > > We're expecting an absolutely huge historical >competition next year in San Jose. California is just >loaded with clubs, organizations and businesses that >organize re-creation events. The Greater Bay Area > Costumers Guild, Period Events Entertainments and >Recreations (known as "PEERS," a vintage dance group), >the Bay Area English Regency Society and the Renaissance >fairs don't even scratch the surface. Our historical >masquerade team is very well connected in these circles. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 00:51:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l364pNvB016752 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:51:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l364p9ns031851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:51:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l364oXvE059374; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:50:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l364oSQr008855; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:50:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l364oPmX008811 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:50:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04711 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:44:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:44:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con In-Reply-To: <46145BE2.8060109@theoldforest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ccc4d4d5-e6c0-4b8c-9cd0-3da11762405b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4615D1BD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Judy Mitchell wrote: > Robin Netherton wrote: > >> http://www.reddawn.net/costume/H-costumecon.jpg > > > > > > Let's see. I've forgotten the name of the lady on the left, with the doll. > > That is Ann Catelli Wow. Must be either the lipstick or something about the picture angle, because I usually recognize Ann! Doesn't look like her here. (Ann, are you out there now?) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 01:05:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3655Q1Q017093 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 01:05:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3655DTR011023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 01:05:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3654h5E060501; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:04:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3654g8N016709; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:04:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3654bw2016605 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:04:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DEACA58C for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:04:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4615D4F1.5000501@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:04:49 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations References: <001101c76e92$b131cce0$4101a8c0@chass> <4606D001.8060202@cornelius.norman.ok.us> <775801c76f17$c0458160$050ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <775801c76f17$c0458160$050ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e65e27d9-1072-4208-8269-134b8b965991 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4615D509.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Chiara Francesca wrote: > > http://www.hkfch11.com/ Tells you why. > > Check your local Hancock's fabric store to see if they are on the list > for closing down. > They're re-organizing, but it doesn't say why. Honestly, I don't think I've seen anything in Hancocks I wanted to buy for the last several years -- except at pattern sales. And they already closed down a couple stores in this area last year. I'm not sure I'd miss them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 04:10:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l368ATHB016051 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:10:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l368AGWi023672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:10:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3689dj7075607; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 02:09:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3689ZnV026323; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 02:09:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3689Utq026263 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 02:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AE73B190294; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:01:55 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 01:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c77822$ec981700$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <4615D4F1.5000501@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16f0f0f3-65ef-4dc7-aab6-e196d6967227 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46160068.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What I like about Hancock's is their return policy. If you don't cut or wash it, you can return it. Great when I'm doing stuff for a show and the director nixes a fabric. Also, I can buy when it's in stock and if it doesn't work out, no problem. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 10:05 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations Chiara Francesca wrote: > > http://www.hkfch11.com/ Tells you why. > > Check your local Hancock's fabric store to see if they are on the list > for closing down. > They're re-organizing, but it doesn't say why. Honestly, I don't think I've seen anything in Hancocks I wanted to buy for the last several years -- except at pattern sales. And they already closed down a couple stores in this area last year. I'm not sure I'd miss them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 05:22:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l369MhMg029270 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:22:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l369MTsX019500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:22:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l369Lq0B083721; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 03:21:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l369Llao088632; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 03:21:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com (imo-m23.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l369Lhev088571 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 03:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.cf6.d301958 (57341) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:21:31 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:21:31 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5361 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e72390ed-5258-46c9-ae7c-d59d004cef16 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46161155.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 06:06:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36A6EWR004239 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:06:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36A60IF005163 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:06:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36A5QjK087851; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36A5Pxp014471; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:05:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36A5Kf2014363 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704061005.l36A5Kf2014363@net.indra.com> Received: from nunnweinberg1.comcast.net (c-75-73-50-142.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[75.73.50.142]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070406100515m130033khme>; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:05:15 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 05:05:27 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT - costume & textile books for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae1846d0-bbc3-4fa1-bee4-47c551605c41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46161B89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dressing Renaissance Florence by Carole Collier Frick. http://cgi.ebay.com/Dressing-Renaissance-Florence-Carole-Collier-Frick-SCA_W0QQitemZ250101402953QQihZ015QQcategoryZ378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or http://tinyurl.com/3a5c7f Ancient and Medieval Textiles: Studies in Honour of Donald King by Lisa Monnas and Hero Granger-Taylor. http://cgi.ebay.com/Ancient-and-Medieval-Textiles-Monnas-Granger-Taylor-SCA_W0QQitemZ250101401496QQihZ015QQcategoryZ378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or http://tinyurl.com/33k8tl Western European Illuminated Manuscripts by Tamara Voronova and Andrei Sterligov the 2003 British edition. http://cgi.ebay.com/Western-European-Illuminated-Manuscripts-by-Voronova-03_W0QQitemZ250101405002QQihZ015QQcategoryZ378QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or http://tinyurl.com/2o7pj7 If you have any questions, please feel free to email me at gilshallos@comcast.net - thanks for your patience. :-) Cheers, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 06:14:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36AE4xa004854 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:14:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36ADpdh000911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:13:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36ADKkl088487; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:13:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36ADJ8m018956; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:13:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l36ADFtg018867 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:13:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h.zickermann@gmx.de) Message-Id: <200704061013.l36ADFtg018867@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Apr 2007 10:13:09 -0000 Received: from e176000182.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO PC286562288218.gmx.de) [85.176.0.182] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 06 Apr 2007 12:13:09 +0200 X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/6JOgEWLr6NAtlKWtAHFUyVFtCXRgsZY0mwFOIPl MuiiPJezBlCFoR X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:13:13 +0200 To: Historical Costume From: Hanna Zickermann Subject: Re: [h-cost] continuous steel boning In-Reply-To: <906124.31416.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <906124.31416.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d0716847-6260-480c-a823-bf6413f690db X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46161D5F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, try MacCulloch and Wallis in London:=20 http://www.macculloch-wallis.co.uk/Default.aspx However, I could imagine that spiral boning could=20 work better because it follows not only the=20 curves of the body but the curve of a shaped seam=20 as well. Wagner-Textilversand has boning in all=20 kinds and widths. It=B4s under "Zubeh=F6r-Liste". http://www.corset-wg.de/ The site German, but I am sure that they will reply English inquiries. Hope this helps, Hanna At 16:54 05.04.2007, you wrote: >Hi, > > Does someone know where can I buy steel=20 > continuous boning (7mm or 1/4 inch) that could=20 > be used in the curvy victorian corsets? I've=20 > ordered it from Sewingchest, but it was too=20 > stiff, it couldn't bend easily. At for ex.=20 > Venacavadesign they have the right stiffness, but not the right width. > I'd prefer European companies, but American are quite OK with me, too. > > Thanks, > > Zuzana > > >--------------------------------- >Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 06:51:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36AoxNd013887 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:50:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36Aok2A016103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:50:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36AoIrW091582; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:50:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36AoFhr040269; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:50:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36AoCw1040145 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:50:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.ced.d2a2751 (41811) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:49:59 EDT Subject: Subject: [h-cost] continuous steel boning To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0477c56f-b9eb-4d98-9784-00bdb694c825 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46162606.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO you could try kleins in london, or farthingales in ontario, canada. both will come up on a internet search debs In a message dated 06/04/2007 01:47:24 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Message: 12 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: [h-cost] continuous steel boning To: h-costume Message-ID: <906124.31416.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, Does someone know where can I buy steel continuous boning (7mm or 1/4 inch) that could be used in the curvy victorian corsets? I've ordered it from Sewingchest, but it was too stiff, it couldn't bend easily. At for ex. Venacavadesign they have the right stiffness, but not the right width. I'd prefer European companies, but American are quite OK with me, too. Thanks, Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 07:36:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36BaiCJ022456 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:36:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36BaVGL030626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:36:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36BZtP4096733; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:35:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36BZrKD070263; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l36BZomZ070167 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 05:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tania_gr17@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15814 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2007 11:35:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=F0ApvWCqg9Qz/jlYRM2sUMEB3imXcwNUeX1xldv6IET6nyT0cqdSBz2+5KFMpsydhImoaAc1bhrPUIrqtKuA7xLGmKxtMMlWxHt8tqQtoNbmAbQvHnjsmm2Sh7cjkNFFJsyX5wvDojuGf42Ggb9GuNQWzHF63wMQudvlXN5CWoI=; X-YMail-OSG: wbiCUk0VM1k8MqzAmrgT4pRJSn7JtCd06_9Jo7dHbp03VCzlndGmzkVBMdfWDGtfiJgFPtg30pu4lADfZQ0ylQBSBZJWh4Tk7r7E6zBqvcw_QvprQozjlA29CxHuq0VaMijue0wS0d_m2A-- Received: from [62.79.63.35] by web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 04:35:45 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 04:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tania Gruning Subject: Re: Subject: [h-cost] continuous steel boning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <189590.14370.qm@web39609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 88a7ed15-6d77-4077-ae26-09a8e86db18a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461630BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 07:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You could try Handlers fabric in Denmark, the store caters to the teatrical crowd and has boning, busks and coutil. Fairly expensive, but then the danish sales tax is 25%. http://handlertex.demoshop.dandomain.dk/shop/ You'll find the bones under corsage and lingeri in the sidebar menu under "stivere og planchetter" Fladstål=spring steel spiralstivere=spiral bones both are available in large quantities It is in danish and the prices are quoted in danish, They are very helpful and reply quickly, however, this is the easter weekend, so don't expect anything to happen till tuesday at the earliest. Tania (Denmark) Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: you could try kleins in london, or farthingales in ontario, canada. both will come up on a internet search debs In a message dated 06/04/2007 01:47:24 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Message: 12 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: [h-cost] continuous steel boning To: h-costume Message-ID: <906124.31416.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, Does someone know where can I buy steel continuous boning (7mm or 1/4 inch) that could be used in the curvy victorian corsets? I've ordered it from Sewingchest, but it was too stiff, it couldn't bend easily. At for ex. Venacavadesign they have the right stiffness, but not the right width. I'd prefer European companies, but American are quite OK with me, too. 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If this be true, JoAnn's will be King of the fabric stores and the only option is to buy online. -----Original Message----- Chiara Francesca wrote: > http://www.hkfch11.com/ Tells you why. > > Check your local Hancock's fabric store to see if they are on the list > for closing down. > They're re-organizing, but it doesn't say why. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 08:46:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36CkrHE024253 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:46:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36Ckd4P013200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:46:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36Ck1I8003138; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:46:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36Ck039012414; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:46:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36CjuHU012279 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.bc1.1078eb68 (58435) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:45:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:45:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5361 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 35d72dce-17f0-410e-b273-e4ce2ba609b9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46164130.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 10:22:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EMJl6026590 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:22:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36EM65L019538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:22:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EKDtS015029; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:20:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EKAg0081669; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:20:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EK7qE081544 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070406142001013003e8m0e>; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:20:01 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7eb0f5ee0915a5bccf837ea7abaaadca@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:19:58 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1d43d92-77f8-44f7-b234-d44aa456b438 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4616578E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I work at Joanns part time and the sewing I have noticed most going on is making purses. I don't know if that will lead to anything else. What I'm afraid of is that girls who have never sewn before or sewn very little will be wanting to make themselves something to wear, and without any instructions, will try to whip something up and find it won't fit or they get frustrated by not understanding the directions and they quit. I started sewing at 13 and made an awful lot of stuff before I even began to figure out how to make it fit. Good thing is I didn't quit, so hopefully they will stick with it. One of the biggest problems they may encounter is the sizing of patterns. I try to ask them if they know about pattern sizing at the cut table, if I can do so without implying that they don't know what they're doing. Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:45 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > I would have said a year or so ago that the reason fabric stores in > general > were hurting is that so few people are sewing anymore. However, I > understand > that the popularity of "Project Runway" is leading to a surge in > interest > among young people. Maybe, if the stores can just hold on a little > longer. . . > . > Ann Wass > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 10:30:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EUqr2026800 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:30:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36EUdXY022534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:30:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EU4dm016156; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:30:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EU3Ng090100; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:30:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36ETxDg089971 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070406142954m1200cice3e>; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:29:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90a15b5fbd2323d2525d84c614f2551b@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:29:51 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4fd3b24e-3c36-4af6-823f-c2b9aac0154e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4616598F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Where do you live? On Apr 6, 2007, at 3:21 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/5/2007 9:47:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > sylvia@ntw.net writes: > > Pretty soon there will be > nowhere to buy fabric except online > > > In our area we still have independent stores that mostly cater to an > immigrant population. The only thing I don't like about shopping at > those sorts of > stores is that they tend to ignore fiber content labeling laws. > > Ann Wass > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 10:32:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EW9gI026828 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:32:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36EVud8022967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:31:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EVNFP016352; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EVK8e091375; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:31:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EVGGg091211 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:31:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.ce2.d815d5b (49382) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d06.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD064-c0e6461659a61d; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:31:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <7eb0f5ee0915a5bccf837ea7abaaadca@ntw.net> References: <7eb0f5ee0915a5bccf837ea7abaaadca@ntw.net> Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] why not sew? was:Hancock's closing select locations Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:31:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b2db09a-11b5-44a4-8104-47296b000673 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461659DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There is a sewing show on Public TV in the US, that has a sponsor who's=20 quote is "When patterns fit, people sew." FITTING, by far, is the biggest obstacle to my own sewing. I can read=20 about the styles and silhouettes of a Period but can I make my own=20 attempts at construction, FIT ? No. I always need another, knowledgeable person, to help with fitting. =20 Even the dress form, with adjustment wheels and "added padding" is not=20 adequate for me to get adequate fit. I need a "tailor"! Very frustrating. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I work at Joanns part time and the sewing I have noticed most going on=20 > is making purses. I don't know if that will lead to anything else. =20 > What I'm afraid of is that girls who have never sewn before or sewn=20 > very little will be wanting to make themselves something to wear, and=20 > without any instructions, will try to whip something up and find it=20 > won't fit or they get frustrated by not understanding the directions=20 > and they quit. I started sewing at 13 and made an awful lot of stuff=20 > before I even began to figure out how to make it fit. Good thing is I=20 > didn't quit, so hopefully they will stick with it. One of the biggest=20 > problems they may encounter is the sizing of patterns. I try to ask=20 > them if they know about pattern sizing at the cut table, if I can do=20 > so without implying that they don't know what they're doing. > > Sylvia Rognstad > Divinity Designs and Emeralds > http://www.d-e-designs.com > > On Apr 6, 2007, at 6:45 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > >> I would have said a year or so ago that the reason fabric stores in=20 >> general >> were hurting is that so few people are sewing anymore. However, I =20 >> understand >> that the popularity of "Project Runway" is leading to a surge in =20 >> interest >> among young people. Maybe, if the stores can just hold on a little=20 >> longer. . . >> . >> Ann Wass >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at=20 >> http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 10:34:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EY0iQ026887 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:34:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36EXkd4032268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:33:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EXFWw016673; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:33:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EXEjA093188; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36EXBdi093014 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc2-s4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:31:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:31:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:31:07 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Subject: [h-cost] continuous steel boning Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:30:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:30:14 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 14:31:10.0993 (UTC) FILETIME=[38DED010:01C77858] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 65ea9d25-66ce-4f0d-83b3-91f826031c1a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46165A4A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 10:59:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36ExsTr027540 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:59:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36ExfNv030703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:59:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36ExHvL020642; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36ExFeC016523; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:59:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (s1.bay2.hotmail.com [65.54.246.99] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36ExC8X016402 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:59:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.130.96]) by bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:59:07 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 07:59:07 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.130.123 by by125fd.bay125.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:59:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.32.181.40] X-Originating-Email: [elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com] X-Sender: elizabethstewartclark@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200704061447.l36ElnK6006305@net.indra.com> From: "Elizabeth Clark" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:59:04 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 14:59:07.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FED05A0:01C7785C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE Historical Fitting X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f99c1b2f-03dc-49bb-8242-3ea158c7ab03 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4616605D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Susan wrote: >>FITTING, by far, is the biggest obstacle to my own sewing. I can read about the styles and silhouettes of a Period but can I make my own attempts at construction, FIT ? No. I always need another, knowledgeable person, to help with fitting. Even the dress form, with adjustment wheels and "added padding" is not adequate for me to get adequate fit. I need a "tailor"!<<< ****** Susan, what you might try is a customized duct-tape dress form. You can google "Duct Tape Dress Form" and find perfectly adequate on-line instructions, as the concept is simple--I've used them with very good success for historical clothing, so long as the form is taped over your historic support garment (corset, stays, etc.) You'll get a SCARY but very accurate double of your actual figure, and then you can "stand outside yourself" and do the fitting with confidence. Regards, Elizabeth Clark http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 11:10:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36FAwlP027863 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:10:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36FAj2D006547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:10:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36F9WN9022579; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36F9Ub4026738; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36F9Q5U026597 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.cd9.e92f0c2 (45785) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-m05.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM055-b2d94616629925b; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:09:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6d6f47a3ba894d4231bafe37e9f259e8@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE Historical Fitting Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:09:13 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6e180cc-27f7-476a-8ffc-36c3ea5d8852 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461662F5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks, ELizabeth. I understand completely when you say "scary but very accurate double". Looks like I'll need a dozen rolls of duct tape to get started! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 6, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Elizabeth Clark wrote: > Susan wrote: >>> FITTING, by far, is the biggest obstacle to my own sewing. I can =20 >>> read > about the styles and silhouettes of a Period but can I make my own > attempts at construction, FIT ? No. > I always need another, knowledgeable person, to help with fitting. > Even the dress form, with adjustment wheels and "added padding" is not > adequate for me to get adequate fit. I need a "tailor"!<<< > > ****** > Susan, what you might try is a customized duct-tape dress form. You =20 > can google "Duct Tape Dress Form" and find perfectly adequate on-line =20 > instructions, as the concept is simple--I've used them with very good =20 > success for historical clothing, so long as the form is taped over =20 > your historic support garment (corset, stays, etc.) You'll get a =20 > SCARY but very accurate double of your actual figure, and then you can =20 > "stand outside yourself" and do the fitting with confidence. > > Regards, > Elizabeth Clark > http://www.elizabethstewartclark.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. =20 > http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?=20 > icid=3Dflexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 12:00:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36G01nu029007 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:00:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36FxZAD001284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 11:59:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36Fwx4u029413; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:58:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36FwrFY073733; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36Fwi5B073476 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:58:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5CCCA68E for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:58:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46166E44.3000903@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:59:00 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 30847b95-83d6-4d6d-953b-99b425d8e775 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46166E67.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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And clothing is so cheap there I can almost see why their customers would give up sewing. (But maybe not alterations). Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 12:30:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36GUkwN029581 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:30:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36GULEi000973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:30:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36GGkDi031813; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:16:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36GGjOu091273; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:16:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36GGfrb091101 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 10:16:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.12]) by bay0-omc3-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:16:36 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:16:36 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.237.144 by BAY135-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:16:33 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.237.144] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <906124.31416.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200704061013.l36ADFtg018867@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] continuous steel boning Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:02:37 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Apr 2007 16:16:36.0576 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3362E00:01C77866] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45a0ab1b-1b36-4bdd-91b2-741d71b7219f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4616759D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Are you looking for spiral steel or straight steel? I've used the spiral steel in the curved seams of a Victorian coset with really good results. I order from Greenberg and hammer in New York city. Kelly, in Nova Scotia Canada >Hi, > > Does someone know where can I buy steel continuous boning (7mm or 1/4 > inch) that could be used in the curvy victorian corsets? I've ordered it > from Sewingchest, but it was too stiff, it couldn't bend easily. At for > ex. Venacavadesign they have the right stiffness, but not the right width. > I'd prefer European companies, but American are quite OK with me, too. > > Thanks, > > Zuzana > > >--------------------------------- >Don't get soaked. 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Search weather shortcut. >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 14:55:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36ItnC5032254 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:55:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36Itaht004096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:55:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36IsjXB058194; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:54:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36IsXRQ046234; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:54:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36IsT9Q046173 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:54:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.69.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.69]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HZtZr-0001I8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:54:28 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <332931BA-BB09-47D0-ACE0-E2DA2EE888A4@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:55:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=71% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e60245ac-b693-4db7-8fbf-8a957040efd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461697A8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Top, Gypsy Ames in a truly > impressive Hindu-goddess-inspired-something- or-other; I was too > bedazzled > to note the name as her presentation was a showstopper. > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 15:05:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36J5VNQ032439 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:05:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36J5HQZ028144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:05:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36J4Q64059768; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:04:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36J4Pmn055399; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l36J4MKJ055291 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 79816 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2007 19:04:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uw+noc1d3FOJiNO/C4it4pp3+ereQIb8P4JM0WCOwQCZ0I+IwYM+4Gqrv5TT3Bw8pk850yAW09SI3qsycoshNEYjxB9z4wIFMRygKP2IWrcDgZZIuwIHpi8UANGzoB2HiAXOxLknbXzwz0n28bJYnf+Sijqdj495VQDJUiUiWrk=; X-YMail-OSG: fkLkZ5YVM1nOgDIPbQNO5n0JPjkHPONF4SN9h3ayLh0L3Cvc2ZOVL0tU1boYwpXVRTzwzW9pFT7PPcCdOpXg7001QzbQMzKSqjQYLwYKATeDX6_fl7Y- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:04:17 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: Re: [h-cost] continuous steel boning To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <227398.79643.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7b22161-11ba-4245-82e2-414debd4bc48 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461699ED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm looking for straight steel - I usually make a combination of straight and spiral steel, but the problem is, I cannot find a place where to buy the straight steel (7mm) per metre. Thanks to all that gave me advice, unfortunately not all the corset supply sellers have the size of the boning I'd need. The denmark one looks good, but it is really expensive, when compared to for example vena cava design. kelly grant wrote: Are you looking for spiral steel or straight steel? I've used the spiral steel in the curved seams of a Victorian coset with really good results. I order from Greenberg and hammer in New York city. Kelly, in Nova Scotia Canada >Hi, > > Does someone know where can I buy steel continuous boning (7mm or 1/4 > inch) that could be used in the curvy victorian corsets? I've ordered it > from Sewingchest, but it was too stiff, it couldn't bend easily. At for > ex. Venacavadesign they have the right stiffness, but not the right width. > I'd prefer European companies, but American are quite OK with me, too. > > Thanks, > > Zuzana > > >--------------------------------- >Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with theYahoo! 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Answers Food & Drink Q&A. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 15:05:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36J5Yck032442 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:05:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36J5Ljw016518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:05:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36J4sdE059829; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:04:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36J4qTg055815; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:04:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (mail.accessus.net [209.145.128.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36J4lQQ055692 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:04:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-Server: EMAIL Received: from [12.10.125.94] (account axejudge@accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.1.7) with HTTP id 488792061 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:04:42 -0500 From: "Karen Heim" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.1.7 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 14:04:42 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <332931BA-BB09-47D0-ACE0-E2DA2EE888A4@mindspring.com> References: <332931BA-BB09-47D0-ACE0-E2DA2EE888A4@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1";format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7402dade-1c17-49f7-91ae-e26ee49a2e36 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461699F1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No, it's Vajravahani. It's meant to be a Mongolian interpretation of a Buddhist deity. Karen judge, Historical Masquerade On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:55:17 -0400 Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > That would be Kali, I imagine. (not enough arms, but the >rest is wow!) > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > >> >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Dawn wrote: >> >> >> http://tancos2.pmachinehosting.com/animelog_comments.php? >> id=2992_0_2_0_C >> >> These are mostly from the masquerades. Top, Gypsy Ames >>in a truly >> impressive Hindu-goddess-inspired-something- or-other; I >>was too >> bedazzled >> to note the name as her presentation was a showstopper. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 15:12:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36JClT9032648 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:12:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36JCYm5030498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:12:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36JCDHx060871; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:12:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36JCA8W062565; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36JC3ZO062482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.193] (209-148-118-193.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l36JBkAr005402 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:11:58 -0700 Message-ID: <46169B74.3090405@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:11:48 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] continuous steel boning References: <227398.79643.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <227398.79643.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f66bc409-35fe-4ead-9975-d9b570e995af X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46169BA2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks! --Ruth Anne On Apr 6, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Karen Heim wrote: > No, it's Vajravahani. It's meant to be a Mongolian interpretation > of a Buddhist deity. > > Karen > judge, Historical Masquerade > > On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:55:17 -0400 > Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: >> That would be Kali, I imagine. (not enough arms, but the rest is >> wow!) >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Dawn wrote: >>> >>> >>> http://tancos2.pmachinehosting.com/animelog_comments.php? >>> id=2992_0_2_0_C >>> >>> These are mostly from the masquerades. Top, Gypsy Ames in a truly >>> impressive Hindu-goddess-inspired-something- or-other; I was too >>> bedazzled >>> to note the name as her presentation was a showstopper. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 15:50:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36JoE2Y000750 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:50:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36Jo07r009204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:50:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36JnP95066361; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:49:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36JnOT4099094; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:49:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36JnJ6B098937 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:49:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.188] (sjs-130-65-37-188.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.188]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36JnCav005257 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <332931BA-BB09-47D0-ACE0-E2DA2EE888A4@mindspring.com> References: <332931BA-BB09-47D0-ACE0-E2DA2EE888A4@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 12:49:11 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa5a50d7-9b4f-423c-911b-2499c556c5aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4616A469.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 6, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: >> >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Dawn wrote: >> >> >> http://tancos2.pmachinehosting.com/animelog_comments.php? >> id=2992_0_2_0_C >> >> These are mostly from the masquerades. Top, Gypsy Ames in a truly >> impressive Hindu-goddess-inspired-something- or-other; I was too >> bedazzled >> to note the name as her presentation was a showstopper. > That would be Kali, I imagine. (not enough arms, but the rest is wow!) It's Vajra, not Kali. (Yes, I remember the title.) andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 16:49:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36KnPSo002210 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:49:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36Kn7SA004539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:49:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36KhYmn073745; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:43:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36KhTND047736; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36KhOWV047633 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07723 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:37:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:37:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Back from Costume-Con In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 76ebc3d4-a68c-4f1c-9fe4-713bc349806b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4616B243.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 16:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Karen Heim wrote: > No, it's Vajravahani. It's meant to be a Mongolian interpretation of > a Buddhist deity. My fault; I wrote Hindu. Funny thing, I started by writing Buddhist, then looked at the picture, and changed it to Hindu. I can't keep all the images straight... Darned impressive costume and presentation, anyway. --Robin > On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:55:17 -0400 > Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > > That would be Kali, I imagine. (not enough arms, but the > >rest is wow!) > > > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > > > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > > >> > >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007, Dawn wrote: > >> > >> > >> http://tancos2.pmachinehosting.com/animelog_comments.php? > >> id=2992_0_2_0_C > >> > >> These are mostly from the masquerades. Top, Gypsy Ames > >>in a truly > >> impressive Hindu-goddess-inspired-something- or-other; I > >>was too > >> bedazzled > >> to note the name as her presentation was a showstopper. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 17:03:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36L3CXm002455 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:03:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36L2xtN026281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:03:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36L2aGR076467; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:02:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36L2XSf065906; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36L2QQS065816 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:02:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C1ECF3EFD8 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:02:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:02:53 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <46166E44.3000903@reddawn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9ab3568c-e021-4480-b061-505f80de055b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4616B583.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 17:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO They do carry dress material, just not as much as the quilting. Though they do carry more formal/ holiday dress material around Christmas. Their prices for home decor is the same or more in price with/then JoAnns They have jumped on the fleece bandwagon and have a better selection then Walmart but not to the extent that Jo Ann's has. Most people agree the HL "loves" their fabric (meaning that their fabric is pricey) De -----Original Message----- I tend to doubt that. Hobby Lobby caters to the quilting hobby and the home dec folks -- both a big part of their craft store business. They sell patterns, but they never really supplied dressmaker fabrics, so if people aren't sewing clothing, it's not really hurting them. Quilting is still very big. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 18:13:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36MD54n003642 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:13:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l36MCpN9009567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:12:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36MCKbX085101; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36MCGmI026768; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:12:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.179.143]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l36MCDLF026667 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 16:12:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kahlara@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63798 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2007 22:12:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZsKUuO8ay+hKESJV32xN+1MFtdcqjKhnf1USn19vibI0A6xUHLPtinIo7mU18fR5QP4rmRRFLYXYR2gqZVfVTCg3kkEova6Oq8Pov7PFXlrb0wN5vci/ddnNKdR9thX2zoYGywIAZQsuqh6lHe1YNRxCuqvDW7Ml85rasGVZNXU=; X-YMail-OSG: 60P0iv0VM1kNatbe0f3R.VYmQkFgc6LUJsdlyVdmEz7axfMht6UxvGrQ3MmWTl8E9KsTnMfXqUAKw5CpEggj5Qykp3HfVWskqBSDBREb36C5E_MsRIjZff__UIQAjg-- Received: from [74.61.133.176] by web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:12:08 PDT Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 15:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Kahlara To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200704061800.l36I0GZb093331@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <331694.62341.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hancock's closing and Walmart X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 749d81af-ac2d-49d7-93aa-74e43216fff6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4616C5E3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:59:00 -0500 From: Dawn Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations >>otsisto wrote: >> >> The other day someone said that they were talking to someone from Hobby >> Lobby and that if Walmart does away with their fabrics then HL will follow >> suit. >I tend to doubt that. Hobby Lobby caters to the quilting hobby and the >home dec folks -- both a big part of their craft store business. They >sell patterns, but they never really supplied dressmaker fabrics, so if >people aren't sewing clothing, it's not really hurting them. Quilting is >still very big. > >Wal-Mart tries to be all things to all people. Unless it's the only >retail store in town -- and it is in much of rural America -- it's not >the first place anyone thinks to go for dress fabric. And clothing is so >cheap there I can almost see why their customers would give up sewing. >(But maybe not alterations). > >Dawn Walmart carries garment quality fabric? I suppose it does depend on location. The Walmart here (NW WA) has a somewhat diverse craft department, carries a limited selection of patterns and I haven't seen any fabric there that I would want to make clothing from unless it was a one time use/halloween costume type thing. It seems to cater to quilters and home crafters. However, my MIL used to be the fabric/craft department manager for a Walmart in Utah and she says they sold a lot of dress fabric. I can't imagine they would eliminate the fabric in a location that had decent sales. Annette T --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 21:07:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3717vFj007913 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:07:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3717irc023141 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3717AYd002941; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371767d034654; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:07:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371726u034560 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704070107.l371726u034560@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070407010656m1400ikvf9e>; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:06:57 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:06:53 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hancock's closing and Walmart In-Reply-To: <331694.62341.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200704061800.l36I0GZb093331@net.indra.com> <331694.62341.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c99e0844-2d97-434d-a7f7-83a01853e2ca X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4616EEE0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > > Walmart carries garment quality fabric? I suppose it does depend > on location. The Walmart here (NW WA) has a somewhat diverse craft > department, carries a limited selection of patterns and I haven't > seen any fabric there that I would want to make clothing from > unless it was a one time use/halloween costume type thing. It seems > to cater to quilters and home crafters. However, my MIL used to be > the fabric/craft department manager for a Walmart in Utah and she > says they sold a lot of dress fabric. I can't imagine they would > eliminate the fabric in a location that had decent sales. > > Annette I've never seen actual clothing fabric at my local WalMarts either. However, I find it simply astonishing that, apparently, raising a big enough stink can even have an effect on WalMart. Where both of the store in my town were losing their fabric department previously, in at least one of them it will now remain. (Still nothing I want to buy there as far as fabric goes, but it does come in handy for the occasional spool of thread...even if going in there makes me claustrophobic.) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 21:35:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371ZNwx008602 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:35:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l371ZA1x014514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:35:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371Ymq6005184; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371Yj6u051159; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371YgFf051101 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4b.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.5]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JG30060QTPOFA60@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.203] (Forwarded-For: 4.250.54.231, [10.240.3.203]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 01:34:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 01:34:36 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] european continuous steel boning In-reply-to: <009801c77880$b1fa33e0$4a43a150@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <009801c77880$b1fa33e0$4a43a150@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f93ca1a-2e38-4e7f-8450-238e54c4b453 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4616F54E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Tell her what you need and what it is being used for and she probably has it in stock, if not - can tell you when she can get it in.... http://www.fabricdragon.com Katheryne who loses a lot of $$ to this nice lady ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews > http://www.wissner.de/produkte_staebe.cfm?auspraegung=12 > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 21:43:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371h7wm008823 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:43:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l371gscp016258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:42:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371gRrv005762; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371gPYM055394; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371gM56055310 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6AACA72E for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:42:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4616F70F.3080402@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:42:39 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hancock's closing and Walmart References: <331694.62341.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <331694.62341.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea6b3767-8855-4938-97e4-f35ad477191c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4616F71E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Kahlara wrote: > > Walmart carries garment quality fabric? I suppose it does depend on location. They carry fleece, and shiny prom dress fabric, and I've seen pre-smocked sundress prints there, that's probably the majority of what constitutes home sewing today. :( Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 21:57:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371vccS009237 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:57:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l371vPBP017670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371tTur007298; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371tRSC062746; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l371tNvp062639 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:55:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.cfa.d3f7980 (52423) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-m06.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM067-ccc74616f9f82e0; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:55:04 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4616F70F.3080402@reddawn.net> References: <331694.62341.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4616F70F.3080402@reddawn.net> Message-Id: <06907aea4c0ef735fe16dcd173b872ef@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hancock's closing and Walmart Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:55:03 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e8304e1-22f0-43a6-92c2-74cbd3bb2a5c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4616FA85.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Our Walmarts in NJ have $1. and $2. per yard tables of fabric as well=20 as many cottons for Home Dec and quilting. They also have some of the=20 shiny fabrics and lots of fleece. The $1 and $2 a yards are often "mill ends" from prominent=20 manufacturers. I have found Kaufman fabrics here. If you don't grab=20 fabric when you see it, guaranteed, it will be gone by your next visit. Sometimes I find cottons useful for charity sewing. Friends have found fabrics in patterns and colors suitable for American=20 Civil War dresses! It is definitely a hit or miss proposition. Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Apr 6, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Dawn wrote: > Kahlara wrote: > >> Walmart carries garment quality fabric? I suppose it does depend=20 >> on location. > > > They carry fleece, and shiny prom dress fabric, and I've seen=20 > pre-smocked sundress prints there, that's probably the majority of=20 > what constitutes home sewing today. :( > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 22:28:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l372Svc9009891 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:28:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l372Shsj009783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:28:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l372SEdc010335; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l372S9JC080481; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l372S5Nb080426 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 20:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08818 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:22:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:22:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hancock's closing and Walmart In-Reply-To: <06907aea4c0ef735fe16dcd173b872ef@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 406adef6-6599-4651-9aa5-c7ed1f627045 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461701DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Never mind dress fabric; I find Wal-Mart indispensible for basic notions. They have the same standard brands of thread, seam bindings, needles, cording, etc. as many other fabric stores, but at noticeably lower prices. The occasional times I need quilting fabric or fleece or other non-historical stuff, it's there. In fact, I've found quilting fabrics there in colors I can't find at the fancy quilt-fabric shop that only carries the current year's "in" shades. Plus, Wal-Mart is conveniently on my regular rounds; I get certain paper goods, office supplies, toiletries, medicines, and other consumables there routinely. There are some things Wal-Mart does very well. Yes, their clothes are cheap, and if I were shopping only for me, I wouldn't be in there twice a week. But I have two growing sons who are in and out of t-shirts, sweats, etc. long before they can wear them out. So $2 t-shirts and $5 jeans are just the ticket. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 23:13:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l373DrsZ010657 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:13:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l373DeW8012000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:13:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l373D110015209; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l373Cxnm007237; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l36NJNhR072585 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:19:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1292299595 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 06 Apr 2007 18:19:22 -0500 Message-ID: <04ce01c778a2$02bf3930$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <331694.62341.qm@web35604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hancock's closing and Walmart Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 18:19:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a785e7f0-ad03-43c3-a7e0-4d87ca6bd0d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46170C64.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Walmart carries garment quality fabric? I suppose it does depend on > location. The Walmart here (NW WA) has a somewhat diverse craft > department, carries a limited selection of patterns and I haven't seen any > fabric there that I would want to make clothing from unless it was a one > time use/halloween costume type thing. It seems to cater to quilters and > home crafters. However, my MIL used to be the fabric/craft department > manager for a Walmart in Utah and she says they sold a lot of dress > fabric. I can't imagine they would eliminate the fabric in a location that > had decent sales. > The one near me (Ames, IA) carries a lot of "one time only" stuff. I've gotten really nice quality garment weight wool in solid colors for $1/yard. They usually carry dress fabrics, but not for "every day" dresses -- more like prom dresses and (budget) wedding fabrics and special little girls' dresses. I've also gotten very heavy all cotton canvas/denim in white and olive for $1/yd. When I found the white, I bought the whole bolt. That stuff has come in *so* handy. But like others reported, the selection of quilt fabrics far exceeds the other stuff. Denise _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 6 23:14:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l373EGmf010664 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:14:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l373E3Js003302 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:14:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l373DfDZ015312; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:13:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l373DeO0007807; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:13:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l371vHCp063589 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 19:57:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 68205 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 01:57:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.247.231 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 01:57:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: V3ooBsEVM1lh36uGYH4XzK8NdZ1quYv4SSIT7AbTAM844tQI2esAQIIkFexCRZD3RLC0ubFHp77vt9ETlIC5k0vKONg- Message-ID: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "H-Costume" Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 21:56:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b02bb9f0-78dd-45de-8c22-45d6cbf5dea4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46170C7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO After 40? years of collecting and caring for a beloved costume collection, I am having a Last Roundup show that can be seen online at 3riversauction.com . This is the first time ever that I have seen all my costumes and assessories of antiquity at the same place and same time! It has been a show of over three months preparation; learning on both sides for the staff and myself. I calculate that about one fourth of the items on display are 80 years or older (which means a lot of hooks and eyes and snaps); this was a foreigh adventure for the photo crew! Any way, I hope you might be curious to see some of the examples I have introduced from time to time in our various discussions. I am merely loosing the bulk of all this finery in exchange for a virtual collection! And this is pretty exciting to me. Now, I will gain hours to continue Historical costume for the Eighteenth and Nineteenth Centuries...scaled for customers of the Human sort, as well as in miniature. Looking forward to hours of leisure! Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 00:26:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l374QcRt011458 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:26:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l374QP7n026737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:26:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l374PcT5020980; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l374PZIj046590; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:25:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l374PWV1046541 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 22:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=JYFj0lyp8B33OyCaffS9b5B/2/TgPMSWHMXirpmWANOabzSeKi95m+wMEEkcw6h7; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.225] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Ha2UR-0002D8-6r for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:25:27 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070406231504.03c5dd60@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:24:48 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e534f4018508cc36aa8c19176441df64f517eed887de8caaf79350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.225 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63181709-c0c9-4a4d-aeb2-b1c1bfe9e5ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46171D71.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 00:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, our last competition costume (for Archon 2006 in St. Louis) was designed at 11 pm at our local Wal-Mart around the fabric they had in stock. It included black/blue/brown chinese brocade (acetate probably), yellow quilting cotton, a variegated brown crushed panne velour, and a stretch yellow patterned ruffle trim on clearance. It also included some of the same crushed panne in burgundy and lining for same, and light yellow sparkle rattail cording. Title: The King in Yellow (from an 1895 horror short story - obligatory historical content ;-) ) Result: Best in Class Master Division It was built in 2.5 weeks after the originally intended project crashed and burned. If you were at CC25 - my costume was what I wore judging the F/SF masquerade. We also buy bolts of the $1/yard stuff for mock-ups, and sometimes find decent generic lining there too. Not our first choice for fabric, but sometimes has "interesting" stuff. Sandy > Walmart carries garment quality fabric? I suppose it does depend > on location. > > Annette T "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 01:35:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l375Z3ig012323 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:35:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l375YoGE008586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:34:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l375YMln026157; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:34:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l375YH8s081582; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l375YEq8081549 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09340 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:28:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:28:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] More Costume-Con photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1671edd0-d13e-4369-8451-93f667d81d39 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46172D7A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 01:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My photographer friend now has his best selection from CC25 posted in a gallery. Most of them are costume portraits. The first of five pages is here: http://www.tancos2.net/costume2/cc07A.html ...with links at the bottom to the other pages. These are thumbnail pages; click a picture to link to a downloadable high-res print-quality version, sized to fit on 5x7 paper if you want your very own portraits. (Don generally doesn't mind people saving these for their own enjoyment, but if you intend to publish, either in print or on the web, let him know, and give credit to Don McClane. He always says yes when people ask first, but he gets very cranky when he finds his stuff lifted without permission.) Lots of h-costumers here. I will miss some as I can't remember everyone's names, and don't always recognize them in costume. But here are the people I spot right off that the list would know (I know many others but I'm not naming the ones I haven't seen on h-cost): Page 1: -- row 1 left, my Goth fitted dress again. Right-click and you can see a lot more detail on this one. -- row 6 left, Dawn gone wild, a much better shot definitely worth clicking on, and then middle, the same group of h-costumers Dawn showed us (I think Don took group shots with everyone's cameras) -- row 8 middle, Sandy Pettinger, and I forget why there are spoons. Next to that, her high-heeled sneakers (suitable for the rock-and-roll theme, though I don't think she planned that!) -- row 9 left, Margaret Decker, and you can see her wearing one of the square red "H" pins that TeaRose was handing out to listmembers -- row 9 right, Sunshine Buechler modeling a Norman dress made from my design, which she wore so conveniently to my lecture, saving me the trouble of trying to find someone to model the one I brought! That's me in the white veil. This one didn't come out as clear, probably because Don was being inconspicuous and not using flash. -- row 10, left and middle, Dawn and TeaRose as pirates. Page 2 -- row 3 right, that's one of us. Who? Mary Piero Carey? My lousy memory... -- midway down, when you start seeing the green curtains behind people, those are mostly f/sf masquerade entries. Page 3 -- more f/sf masquerade entries. -- row 6 middle, I was one of the celebrity guests for the halftime entertainment, a costumer's "Match Game." -- row 10 left, Ramona (who I think is still on the list?) and husband Larry out judging the Orange hall costume contest Page 4 -- includes entries from the Future Fashion Folio. Note two theme contests, Red Hat / Purple Dress, and Orange. It was a colorful show. -- row 3 left, Pierre Pettinger as "Indian Male Delegate to the Orange Ball" -- row 4 right, Sandy, isn't that you as "Messenger of the Djinn"? Page 5 -- includes Historical Masquerade -- row 3 left, Sandy again in trademark Tall Headdress. -- row 7 right and 8 left, I think that's Sunny Buechler again, in the one that won an award in Historical. I'm missing some h-costumers, I'm sure of it. Identify yourselves... --Robin spending way too much time on pictures today _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 02:11:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376BNFE015741 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:11:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l376BA61027904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:11:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376AWL6029256; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:10:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376AToE001139; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:10:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.158]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3769xDA000875 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.79]) by bay0-omc2-s22.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:09:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:09:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.36.99.166 by BAY106-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 06:09:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.36.99.166] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070406231504.03c5dd60@pop.radiks.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:10:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:10:39 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2007 06:09:54.0002 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BFFF320:01C778DB] X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e5d61ea-2388-4dfc-9ba4-7d82fc2e4579 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461735FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 02:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's definitely a treasure hunt, but that's what makes it fun. My best = finds? A lovely heavy white moire satin in cotton/acetate for my DIL's = wedding dress. 60" wide and it was a dollar a yard. I also found some = first run reproduction fabric, the lovely smooth sateen hand and = straight on grain printing for $2 a yard. I had passed the same thing = up at a specialty shop earlier in the day for $11 a yard. =20 I also haunt my local Pendleton outlet. I dropped the better part of = $250 there today, but that was for a total of 64 yards of beautiful = Pendleton wool. I was a happy. I walked out with nothing every time I = went for the past three or four months, because there wasn't anything = worth taking home, at least for me. LuAnn =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 9:24 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric Well, our last competition costume (for Archon 2006 in St. Louis) was=20 designed at 11 pm at our local Wal-Mart around the fabric they had in=20 stock. It included black/blue/brown chinese brocade (acetate=20 probably), yellow quilting cotton, a variegated brown crushed panne=20 velour, and a stretch yellow patterned ruffle trim on clearance. It=20 also included some of the same crushed panne in burgundy and lining=20 for same, and light yellow sparkle rattail cording. Title: The King in Yellow (from an 1895 horror short story -=20 obligatory historical content ;-) ) Result: Best in Class Master Division It was built in 2.5 weeks after the originally intended project=20 crashed and burned. If you were at CC25 - my costume was what I wore=20 judging the F/SF masquerade. We also buy bolts of the $1/yard stuff for mock-ups, and sometimes=20 find decent generic lining there too. Not our first choice for=20 fabric, but sometimes has "interesting" stuff. Sandy > Walmart carries garment quality fabric? I suppose it does depend=20 > on location. > > Annette T "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 02:20:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376KAPb018291 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:20:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l376Jubf024779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:20:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376Jcjx029789; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376JbLG005395; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376JYEd005351 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:19:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1Ha4Gr015L-0008SG; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 02:19:34 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c778dc$9d78daf0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46166E44.3000903@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hancock's closing select locations Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:18:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19D88ZD8aMsZFiy/ZqEuvG4Paqppndq1Xs2JGF QhS9IygDWOl9CWcoIoI/4YAVZ7QKpDc4OO2TEL8dsntBn44xHa xTf9sA1YyrvM1Zmr0Pugg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=27% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7efae8c-11cb-4207-8eb0-eeb1cd3d9b9f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4617380C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 02:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I often wonder if more people who do sew, would offer classes to the next generation. When I am not teaching college this summer, I am lining up to teenagers to teach them to sew. Most of their parents if they do sew, don't have time to teach them. The teenagers have come to me, asking if I would teach them to sew. The interest is because they are tired of the same old clothing in the stores. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 02:44:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376iheP027233 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:44:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l376iUvh020466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 02:44:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376i00N034742; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376hww3019095; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:43:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from email.accessus.net (mail.accessus.net [209.145.128.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l376hsoZ018999 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 00:43:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from axejudge@accessus.net) X-AUS-Server: EMAIL Received: from [207.206.137.136] (account axejudge@accessus.net) by email.accessus.net (CommuniGate Pro WEBUSER 5.1.7) with HTTP id 488929744 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 01:43:49 -0500 From: "Karen Heim" Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Costume-Con photos To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.1.7 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 01:43:49 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1";format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a47aa2dc-4ceb-485e-a532-09b94c4e0656 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46173DCE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 02:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, there's a shot of me in my Future Fashion Show outfit, page 3, last row, middle. Karen On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:28:13 -0500 (CDT) Robin Netherton wrote: > > My photographer friend now has his best selection from >CC25 posted in a > gallery. Most of them are costume portraits. The first >of five pages is > here: > > http://www.tancos2.net/costume2/cc07A.html > > ...with links at the bottom to the other pages. These >are thumbnail pages; > click a picture to link to a downloadable high-res >print-quality version, > sized to fit on 5x7 paper if you want your very own >portraits. (Don > generally doesn't mind people saving these for their own >enjoyment, but if > you intend to publish, either in print or on the web, >let him know, and > give credit to Don McClane. He always says yes when >people ask first, but > he gets very cranky when he finds his stuff lifted >without permission.) > > Lots of h-costumers here. I will miss some as I can't >remember everyone's > names, and don't always recognize them in costume. But >here are the people > I spot right off that the list would know (I know many >others but I'm not > naming the ones I haven't seen on h-cost): > > Page 1: > -- row 1 left, my Goth fitted dress again. Right-click >and you can see > a lot more detail on this one. > -- row 6 left, Dawn gone wild, a much better shot >definitely worth > clicking on, and then middle, the same group of >h-costumers Dawn > showed us (I think Don took group shots with everyone's >cameras) > -- row 8 middle, Sandy Pettinger, and I forget why there >are spoons. Next > to that, her high-heeled sneakers (suitable for the >rock-and-roll > theme, though I don't think she planned that!) > -- row 9 left, Margaret Decker, and you can see her >wearing one of the > square red "H" pins that TeaRose was handing out to >listmembers > -- row 9 right, Sunshine Buechler modeling a Norman >dress made from my > design, which she wore so conveniently to my lecture, >saving me > the trouble of trying to find someone to model the one >I brought! > That's me in the white veil. This one didn't come out >as clear, > probably because Don was being inconspicuous and not >using flash. > -- row 10, left and middle, Dawn and TeaRose as pirates. > > Page 2 > -- row 3 right, that's one of us. Who? Mary Piero Carey? >My lousy > memory... > -- midway down, when you start seeing the green curtains >behind people, > those are mostly f/sf masquerade entries. > > Page 3 -- more f/sf masquerade entries. > -- row 6 middle, I was one of the celebrity guests for >the halftime > entertainment, a costumer's "Match Game." > -- row 10 left, Ramona (who I think is still on the >list?) and husband > Larry out judging the Orange hall costume contest > > Page 4 -- includes entries from the Future Fashion >Folio. Note two theme > contests, Red Hat / Purple Dress, and Orange. It was a >colorful show. > -- row 3 left, Pierre Pettinger as "Indian Male Delegate >to the Orange > Ball" > -- row 4 right, Sandy, isn't that you as "Messenger of >the Djinn"? > > Page 5 -- includes Historical Masquerade > -- row 3 left, Sandy again in trademark Tall Headdress. > -- row 7 right and 8 left, I think that's Sunny Buechler >again, in the > one that won an award in Historical. > > I'm missing some h-costumers, I'm sure of it. Identify >yourselves... > > --Robin > spending way too much time on pictures today > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 07:02:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37B2lih008177 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:02:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37B2Y7C031963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:02:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37B227K057148; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37B1wa2055855; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37B1ts3055786 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:01:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.cd9.ea21b2e (42809) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:01:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:01:42 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hancock's closing and Walmart To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5361 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1e9b0c09-ff90-4193-8990-26ff783f9949 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46177A4A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 07:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/6/2007 9:07:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goofy4@comcast.net writes: I've never seen actual clothing fabric at my local WalMarts either. I once scored four yards of orange/blue plaid Indian cotton, perfect for making early 19th century headwraps, in the $1 a yard bin. Have kept hoping to find more ever since, but no such luck. I also buy solid cottons for linings, and I've found some lovely artificial flowers for trims at Wal Mart. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 07:12:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37BC6cQ010546 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:12:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37BBrHf009170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:11:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37BBOSO058280; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:11:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37BBNmN061460; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:11:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37BBK2O061375 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 05:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.d0e.68c0388 (42809) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:11:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:11:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5361 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a3738ca0-6c7d-4cfd-bad0-2455337316a8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46177C79.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 07:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/7/2007 2:11:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, luann_mason@msn.com writes: I walked out with nothing every time I went for the past three or four months, because there wasn't anything worth taking home, at least for me. I'm sure many of us share the thrill of the hunt, whether at WalMart, the Pendleton outlet, or the unknown fabric store in the town we happen to visit. Yes, I know they are getting fewer and fewer, but even quilting or craft stores sometimes have suitable prints for some of my projects--I actually found a print for an early 19th century dress at a Ben Franklin in Reno a couple of years ago, as well as a Lacis purse frame. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 08:43:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37ChGw2017759 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:43:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37Ch2Em006425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:43:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37Cg8FU065471; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37Cg5Rb011653; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37Cg1hS011578 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49214] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.14.1 r(15310M)) with ESMTP id AD/33-14588-19197164 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:41:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:41:47 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a59965d9-4d95-4670-83c5-b1a7e9526354 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461791D7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 7:55 PM -0600 4/6/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Walmart carries garment quality fabric? I suppose it does depend >on location. The Walmart here (NW WA) has a somewhat diverse craft >department, carries a limited selection of patterns and I haven't >seen any fabric there that I would want to make clothing from unless >it was a one time use/halloween costume type thing. It seems to >cater to quilters and home crafters. However, my MIL used to be the >fabric/craft department manager for a Walmart in Utah and she says >they sold a lot of dress fabric. I can't imagine they would >eliminate the fabric in a location that had decent sales. > > Annette T Here in NE MD, the Walmart *used* to have a fab fabric department, no silks, but lotsa cottons and polys (the Amish around here use lots of plain colored poly for wear). They sold *tons*. If you saw a bit of cloth you liked, you boughtit now, because it would be gone on the next visit. Now they are not getting much delivered in so sales are down and the Dept will be gone with the next store remuddle :-( Darn shame as I (and many others!) scored some amazing close to accurate 18th & 19th cent indigo resist prints along with some great madder prints and for a while some good feed cloth repros. Alas all gone with the stupid corp redesign. Ta Carol--Totally bummed at the Hancocks closing...Soon JoAnns will be the only player left (and some quilt $tores) unless I do a Road Trip... -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 08:47:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37ClZIU017878 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:47:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37ClMwn024271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:47:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37Ckwbe065876; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37CkweY014240; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37CksJW014170 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704071246.l37CksJW014170@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <200704071246490140023q22e>; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:46:49 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:46:44 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric In-Reply-To: References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070406231504.03c5dd60@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 200bdc6a-d8e5-4c1b-a7c8-7ce418fa690c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461792DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 02:10 AM 4/7/2007, you wrote: >I also haunt my local Pendleton outlet. I dropped the better part >of $250 there today, but that was for a total of 64 yards of >beautiful Pendleton wool. I was a happy. I walked out with nothing >every time I went for the past three or four months, because there >wasn't anything worth taking home, at least for me. > >LuAnn I'm not lucky enough to live near a Pendleton outlet, but we do have a fabric outlet near me and it's easily my favorite place to shop! I've gotten wool blends for $3.98 a yard, ultrasuede pieces for &7.98 a pound, and linen and linen blends for $4-5 a yard. I get especially happy when they send out the 50% off your entire order coupons, though my DH groans when he sees them arrive! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 09:45:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37Djro5019225 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:45:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37DjdvC029893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:45:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37DiuPf072748; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:44:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37Dinm9050449; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:44:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37DijeT050339 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070407134435.BHDJ22671.fep35.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:44:35 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.200]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070407134435.FDOA1161.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:44:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c7791a$f3d2fd70$c814a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Costume-Con photos Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:45:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.200] at Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:44:30 +0200 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=43% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9ebe875-a325-49c9-b360-263fe6af902e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4617A083.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 09:52:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37DqXsB019355 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:52:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37DqJFv020682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:52:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37DptAg073747; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:51:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37DpsNV055496; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:51:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37DppQF055384 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.d4e.64c61c5 (52347) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d08.mail.aol.com (v114_r3.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD089-cc7b4617a1e068; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 09:51:30 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <003901c778dc$9d78daf0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <46166E44.3000903@reddawn.net> <003901c778dc$9d78daf0$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] teenagers sewing :was Hancock's closing select locations Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:51:27 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b594078-fcc8-4f5a-8b65-29bb4b240f7d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4617A213.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 10:48:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37EmMDN020912 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:48:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37Em9FG006420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:48:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37El0Zg080922; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:47:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37EkpFI091559; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37EkmsA091459 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.d03.cbbb48f (43931) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:46:35 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 80256f6f-de13-4900-805f-5b30bac12154 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4617AF29.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Walmart carries garment quality fabric? ************* Depends on the garment.... I found one of my fave fabrics at Wal-mart: large, colorful, realistic tropical fish floating in a white void. Made a great Hawaiian shirt! ************** and now...OT.... I saw on Showtime an installment of the Penn and Teller show "Bullsh*t" on the myth of how awful Wal-Mart was. Boy...talk about bullsh*t! For example, the "made in a sweatshop" issue [Wal-mart is not the only culprit, I know]. The apologist for sweatshops says that usually, in these poor countries, the sweatshop is a better wage than anything else, or the only jobs around. Like that justifies it. Like that is the only alternative: sweatshops or nothing. Hey...Imagine if the sweatshops weren't sweatshops! Imagine if they paid a halfway decent wage [even for whatever 3rd world country involved] instead. And get this excuse! The sweatshop apologist actually said America used to have sweatshops too, but we, over time, finally because of them, collected enough capital to get rid of them! Pu-leez! Like there wasn't "enough capital" in 19th century America. Hasn't he read an Edith Wharton novel? [probably not] America doesn't have sweatshops today [well, we're not supposed to] because of legislation, not a build up of capital. Corporations would still to this day be using child labor had we not outlawed it! [C'mon....you know that's true] Bullsh*t indeed! Then there was "the average Wal-mart employee makes over $10 an hour" ploy. Well, sure! If you include top level employees and maybe the CEOs! If you took the average income of all of us on this list, and added into it Bill Gates and Dick Cheney, our average incomes would rise considerably! Oooooooo....I hate it when they in TV land think we're dumb! OK...end of OT rant... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 12:15:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37GF5rK023021 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:15:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37GEq46015498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:14:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37GDrWd092794; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:13:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37GDlh7052605; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:13:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37GDiVj052570 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sclark935@austin.rr.com) Received: from Main (cpe-66-68-190-121.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.190.121]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l37GDgBR026025 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:13:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001e01c7792f$b1205b20$79be4442@Main> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000401c7791a$f3d2fd70$c814a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Costume-Con photos Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:13:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=36% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e33f6b91-cbe9-4b7b-8195-8097eeec1714 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4617C37C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Costume-Con photos > Hi, > Thanks for posting, > My favourite was Robins black dress but also the nice cavalier coupple in > black and white. > > Bjarne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 12:43:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37GhWjh023590 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:43:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37GhJd2011563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:43:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37GgGgp096773; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:42:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37GgFak073602; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:42:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.177]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37GgB7q073460 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from luann_mason@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.73]) by bay0-omc2-s41.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:42:06 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:42:06 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.36.99.166 by BAY106-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 16:42:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.36.99.166] X-Originating-Email: [luann_mason@msn.com] X-Sender: luann_mason@msn.com From: "LuAnn Mason" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:42:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:42:47 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Apr 2007 16:42:06.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD7E7F70:01C77933] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e20e8cf-f906-40e6-92b4-aa4e071f2fd4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4617CA27.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Interesting. My son just put in an application for WalMart because their = starting wage is higher than Sears, where he works now. =20 I don't see anyone protesting Sears, of course. LuAnn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: AlbertCat@aol.com=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... Walmart carries garment quality fabric?=20 =20 =20 ************* =20 Depends on the garment.... =20 I found one of my fave fabrics at Wal-mart: large, colorful, = realistic=20 tropical fish floating in a white void. Made a great Hawaiian shirt! =20 ************** and now...OT.... =20 I saw on Showtime an installment of the Penn and Teller show = "Bullsh*t" on =20 the myth of how awful Wal-Mart was. Boy...talk about bullsh*t! For = example, the=20 "made in a sweatshop" issue [Wal-mart is not the only culprit, I = know]. The =20 apologist for sweatshops says that usually, in these poor countries, = the =20 sweatshop is a better wage than anything else, or the only jobs = around. Like =20 that justifies it. Like that is the only alternative: sweatshops or = nothing.=20 Hey...Imagine if the sweatshops weren't sweatshops! Imagine if they = paid a=20 halfway decent wage [even for whatever 3rd world country involved] = instead.=20 And get this excuse! The sweatshop apologist actually said America = used to =20 have sweatshops too, but we, over time, finally because of them, = collected =20 enough capital to get rid of them! Pu-leez! Like there wasn't "enough = capital" =20 in 19th century America. Hasn't he read an Edith Wharton novel? = [probably not] =20 America doesn't have sweatshops today [well, we're not supposed to] = because =20 of legislation, not a build up of capital. Corporations would still to = this =20 day be using child labor had we not outlawed it! [C'mon....you know = that's =20 true] Bullsh*t indeed! =20 Then there was "the average Wal-mart employee makes over $10 an hour" = ploy. =20 Well, sure! If you include top level employees and maybe the CEOs! If = you took=20 the average income of all of us on this list, and added into it Bill = Gates=20 and Dick Cheney, our average incomes would rise considerably! =20 Oooooooo....I hate it when they in TV land think we're dumb! =20 OK...end of OT rant... ************************************** See what's free at = http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 14:19:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IJAV5026148 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:19:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37IIvsc028760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:19:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37II8KV012793; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:18:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37II4MJ047101; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:18:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net (alnrmhc16.comcast.net [204.127.225.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37FJngI014953 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id <20070407151940b1600hlu0ve>; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:19:40 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <80396524a2254ba70428b935ea2ac0ed@ntw.net> From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hancock's closing and Walmart Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:19:38 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b5fbd4f8-d44a-44cc-83e8-6ef87ee7af64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4617E091.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Having worked one summer as a costume designer at a theatre in a rural town in Colorado, I know that there are a lot of theatres in such areas that have no other place to buy fabric and sewing supplies than Walmart. I had to drive an hour to get there but I managed to find a lot of fabric and trims there to use. I brought most of the fabrics with me, but when I had to make a late 19th century dress that I hadn't planned on making, I was able to find some pretty good yellow linen or linen blend fabric and some black trims that worked by my being fairly creative. If that store goes out of the sewing business, I don't know what that theatre will do. And I may be in the same position this summer, designing for a different theatre in another mountain town. So much as I dislike shopping at Walmart, mostly because of their business practices--did you all see that movie "The High Cost of Low Price"?--I still hate to see their sewing departments go. Sylvia Rognstad Divinity Designs and Emeralds http://www.d-e-designs.com On Apr 7, 2007, at 5:01 AM, AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 4/6/2007 9:07:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > goofy4@comcast.net writes: > > I've never seen actual clothing fabric at my local WalMarts either. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 14:19:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IJvD1026162 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:19:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37IJi3i013084 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:19:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IJ7FD013089; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IJ7dF048240; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:19:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37I7t56039318 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:07:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11675 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:01:57 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:01:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] More Costume-Con photos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57d7064a-4d3e-4ffa-9ec3-c083e3d7a17a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4617E0C0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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(I was looking for you in your kimono, I think.) --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 14:25:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IPvOQ026326 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:25:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37IPiJT011730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:25:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IOiKH013876; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IOgaE052405; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:24:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IOdwo052257 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.cb8.f301076 (43930) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:24:27 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:24:27 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f5dd9fda-a26e-459d-9da8-74a7dd064273 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4617E228.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/7/2007 12:42:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, luann_mason@msn.com writes: I don't see anyone protesting Sears, of course. **************8 Well, Sears ain't what it used to be...partly because of Wal-mart. But I don't hate Wal-mart and one can shop anywhere they please for all I care... Just don't tell me lies and spin the facts. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 14:39:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IdMSm026533 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:39:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37Id9XU018181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:39:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37Icpmh016214; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:38:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37IcnkQ063211; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:38:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [63.240.77.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37Icjin063100 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:38:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with ESMTP id <20070407183839015008jdr8e>; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:38:39 +0000 Message-ID: <4617E52B.9030802@bovil.com> Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:38:35 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] even more CC25 photos... 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Ann in CT --- monica spence wrote: > Wasn't there a Fred Astaire film about Vernon and > Irene Castle? > Monica > > This same student is also writing a paper about the > Castles, a popular dancing couple from the 1910s. > > Penny Ladnier ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 15:19:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37JJoib027043 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:19:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37JJbiu003340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:19:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37JItmH022485; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37JIqVb095792; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:18:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l37JIn5I095688 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 47941 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2007 19:18:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.247.231 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2007 19:18:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uSRMNNwVM1mpne28ZLG6VxsKYrMWCPtP5KO30rio5M2PcjXK.iZsvr51nLsSsDjIAyAdHBYg68nvis75RfMLpahwqSHe_DTUzQkJR9ZnpEfBHewrdFxoSQy124yPmEo- Message-ID: <001201c77949$8c439000$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:18:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e08b1b0-a80d-4219-8e9c-d14c436df2ac X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4617EEC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And one might remember that at least in the 20th C that a Sears store opening up did not cause all the other MomAnd Pops to go out of business! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... > > In a message dated 4/7/2007 12:42:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > luann_mason@msn.com writes: > > I don't see anyone protesting Sears, of course. > > > > **************8 > > Well, Sears ain't what it used to be...partly because of Wal-mart. > > But I don't hate Wal-mart and one can shop anywhere they please for all I > care... > > Just don't tell me lies and spin the facts. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 15:31:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37JVR7s027172 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:31:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l37JVEla021764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:31:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37JPamP023681; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37JPZml001496; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:25:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l37JPWHd001403 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:25:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.c43.1089a07a (43930) for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:25:16 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:25:16 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5359 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 770ec25f-f0a2-48a5-aa06-ae8973195bea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4617F182.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/7/2007 3:19:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: And one might remember that at least in the 20th C that a Sears store opening up did not cause all the other MomAnd Pops to go out of business! ************************* They didn't? Are you sure....I mean Sears became big in 1906...with the coming of "rural free delivery" ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 7 22:02:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3822P8r032036 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:02:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3822BYW009424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:02:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3821XVL082666; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:01:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3821RjV043674; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:01:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.127]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3821Mov043562 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:01:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 64368 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Apr 2007 02:01:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4SaCCem0jI+gUwnvvwJ67eDJChC6kmq8kJ4Kjr0i3OBqMIXqO/KdHy82t2CfsmSNDFSFGaoj7VFsyS0SqlNy+QX6xSXOez4ChYRXCZGk3Ksv9pb/gGwFuPVyjEqCX/H9nITIQCWrpODpKWiajRhNBY977sW+ujjQDop0mcdSfzs=; X-YMail-OSG: pv0eNN4VM1kFv0YBDFwP5wYuEhqML.KO4.W4PK9xg8UTZDgCTWpiTqu_p4aQmi0k2dqs.rs7Rx7OL663LAX5mkQh33z99Pt38RJ5PyuUqSVf0O7qHfg- Received: from [207.216.228.147] by web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:01:17 EDT Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 22:01:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hancock's closing and Walmart To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4616F70F.3080402@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <292251.64136.qm@web52204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 34a3253f-9a39-4029-abf6-30595ffd4a64 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46184D23.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've been lucky at Walmart and picked up a linen/blend fabric off their unknown table. I also got some great cotton with a beautiful ying yang motif just gorgeous. Got some wonderful grey wool off the table one year. I just don't have time to hit the store first thing in the morning before someone else buys the good stuff. Brin Dawn wrote: Kahlara wrote: > > Walmart carries garment quality fabric? I suppose it does depend on location. They carry fleece, and shiny prom dress fabric, and I've seen pre-smocked sundress prints there, that's probably the majority of what constitutes home sewing today. :( Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 8 02:11:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l386BGZJ002821 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 02:11:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l386B2xD008833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Apr 2007 02:11:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3865VvN026692; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:05:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3865Ras069665; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:05:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3865OCN069604 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 00:05:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=sEiF5YT9PXWnOl//Mjwr0zADQFoZ0k/REntKXfs/npGHn5VxTSyxQq0ZDbyiDtut; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.225] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HaQWd-0006yc-CB for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:05:19 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070408003347.03319c60@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:40:34 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200704071817.l37IH4d0046259@net.indra.com> References: <200704071817.l37IH4d0046259@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5384d156a99949ad0955b5d15b2800b58121c8422bbc42a94d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.225 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: CC25 pics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2bde8b50-ce18-4b38-b573-dd6b4b8a3c07 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46188776.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 01:17 PM 4/7/2007, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 01:28:13 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton >Subject: [h-cost] More Costume-Con photos > >My photographer friend now has his best selection from CC25 posted in a >gallery. Most of them are costume portraits. The first of five pages is >here: >http://www.tancos2.net/costume2/cc07A.html >Page 1: > -- row 8 middle, Sandy Pettinger, and I forget why there are spoons. Next > to that, her high-heeled sneakers (suitable for the rock-and-roll > theme, though I don't think she planned that!) The spoons were from a Future Fashion Show outfit I made and wore for CC 8 - except I forgot to wear them on stage! That one was the "Rock Queen of England" and were intended to be punk crown jewels - just right for a rock and roll party. And yes, the sneakers WERE intended....I only ordered them off ebay the week before.... >Page 4 -- includes entries from the Future Fashion Folio. Note two theme >contests, Red Hat / Purple Dress, and Orange. It was a colorful show. > -- row 3 left, Pierre Pettinger as "Indian Male Delegate to the Orange > Ball" > -- row 4 right, Sandy, isn't that you as "Messenger of the Djinn"? Yep. >Page 5 -- includes Historical Masquerade > -- row 3 left, Sandy again in trademark Tall Headdress. And my entry for the Orange hall costume contest.... Sandy >--Robin "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 8 09:02:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38D2edu020482 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:02:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l38D2Q7x030356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:02:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38D1NlZ066248; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 07:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38D1Ihe088147; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 07:01:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l38D1Ep8088029 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 07:01:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 19245 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2007 13:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.247.231 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2007 13:01:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: l8NwAT0VM1kOqzuaLV2869PnHkFqnMfheSQvjCRnPqrhNkC7OQz2x6Ik1taqSer9WFWde5KCPFtquYBHFeMns6M0giQp1JVl4VVJAg-- Message-ID: <001201c779dd$f6226110$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 09:00:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6fb316ea-6896-4a47-864c-0f09cc6c40ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4618E7E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Apr 2007 09:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It is my understanding that they brought goods to small towns via mail that could only be gotten in the big cities before. It is interesting that the coming of Rural free Delivery (USPS) comes in about this time. Sears and Wards were the first to recognize the sales possibilities that were pretty much handled by traveling merchants, at least for household items. The demand for the acessability of needful goods that were more difficult to deliver spawned the coming of stores and catalogue storefronts in towns and villagers. The way of the General Store as a convenience store was simplified but not obliterated. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Walmart Fabric Dept... > > In a message dated 4/7/2007 3:19:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rmitchell@washjeff.edu writes: > > And one might remember that at least in the 20th C that a Sears store > opening up did not cause all the other MomAnd Pops to go out of > business! > > > > ************************* > > > They didn't? Are you sure....I mean Sears became big in 1906...with the > coming of "rural free delivery" > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 8 10:37:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38Ebe2r022085 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:37:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l38EbQUh015891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:37:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38Ea1fT078222; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38EZvnZ048449; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:35:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5-qfe0.srvr.bell.ca [206.47.199.163]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38E9ZnQ030418 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 08:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k@indigolily.ca) Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([142.167.175.124]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20070408140930.UVZY1625.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.0.102]> for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:09:30 -0400 Message-ID: <4618F742.7070604@indigolily.ca> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 11:08:02 -0300 From: indigolily User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Subject: [h-cost] boning and steel X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 040cca7c-5dbb-4c61-b36f-b0e0d82ec14a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4618FE26.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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K of indigolily.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 8 18:04:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38M4Zn9029316 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:04:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l38M4MfY014561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 8 Apr 2007 18:04:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38M40FA036816; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38M3uY9038103; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l38M3qgi038019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:03:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-15-93.desm.qwest.net [75.162.15.93]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l38M3kUn013924 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:03:46 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200704081800.l38I06nA089945@net.indra.com> References: <200704081800.l38I06nA089945@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] even more CC25 photos Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2007 17:03:43 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/3048/Sun Apr 8 14:24:20 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87cff3de-3bc1-47f8-be8d-d767906562c9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461966E6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 08 Apr 2007 18:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks, Andy! I got to see some outfits I missed.... And there's even a pic of me, Friday night (2nd page, 6th row) in my tie-dye t-shirt. Suzanne On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Subject: [h-cost] even more CC25 photos... > > > John O'Halloran (our stage manager for next year) took a bunch and > posted them to his flickr account > > > > Lots of pictures of Historical and Friday Night Social, less of > F&SF (none) because he was working the stage then. > > andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 11:08:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39F8UtX011670 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:08:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39F8HDw016863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 11:08:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39F6g85043605; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39F6Zjg060823; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l39Ewpei052386 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:58:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lists@margospatterns.com) Received: (qmail 16330 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 14:58:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.105?) (mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@75.8.224.68 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 14:58:45 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QZdiiKIVM1kDAzqiIe3F8L6RMxOwRhB.uk5TvthrrYPQkm53wcZ6K.dKBkcbGIoxUfyWziltPw-- In-Reply-To: References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070406231504.03c5dd60@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <83C6A171-0820-46DB-9583-1B7C2A3FCFF4@margospatterns.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 07:58:42 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f0c6ac3-e860-4d6f-8ec5-17a67d46e325 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461A56E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 11:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm in one of those small towns that only have Wal-mart for fabric. Some of what I've found on the sale tables there: heavyweight cotton herringbone twill, perfect for making corsets, $1 a yard cotton duck canvas, $1 aubergine crepe back satin, $2 black slinky knit, $1 plaid taffeta, 60", $2 soft black stretch netting, $1 silver and black paisley brocade, $3 batik printed chiffon, $1 cotton gauze, in black, white, natural, and purple, $2 silk chiffon, $2.99 At those prices, I usually buy the bolt, sometimes several bolts. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 12:57:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39GvHjU013549 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:57:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39Gv3bj002131 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:57:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39GqdFK062614; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39GqUfv079050; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:52:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39GqMKJ078753 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 10:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.17]) by bay0-omc3-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:52:16 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:52:15 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:52:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:51:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 09:51:43 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2007 16:52:15.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D9FD3A0:01C77AC7] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdeabc5a-25e2-42c2-be9f-b628ee924543 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461A705F.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 12:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://image.coldwatercreek.com/IMAGESFLL/H95057_013SL.JPG =20 I found this in the Coldwater Creek catalogue. The online version = doesn't have this description, but the catalogue says. =20 "Marie Antoinette, the monarch who liked her hair big and her shoes = embroidered, would have swooned over these." =20 Not a bad heel, I wonder if you could re-cover them .. =20 Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 15:10:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39JAU7L016004 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:10:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39JAGtX025534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:10:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39J8c7K087281; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39J8UB4022716; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:08:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc11.comcast.net (alnrmhc11.comcast.net [206.18.177.51]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39J8OXK022502 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:08:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070409190818b1100ke9jle>; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:08:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <47a4956c917e44c603202f7f020ffbb0@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:08:17 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 349f25b8-b36d-4156-b6d3-92c4c9e54ba4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461A8F98.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Somehow, I don't think she would have swooned. On Apr 9, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > http://image.coldwatercreek.com/IMAGESFLL/H95057_013SL.JPG image.coldwatercreek.com/IMAGESFLL/H95057_013SL.JPG> > > > I found this in the Coldwater Creek catalogue. The online version > doesn't have this description, but the catalogue says. > > > > "Marie Antoinette, the monarch who liked her hair big and her shoes > embroidered, would have swooned over these." > > > > Not a bad heel, I wonder if you could re-cover them .. > > > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 15:42:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39Jgsdn016648 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:42:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39Jgecw006300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:42:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39Ja8RR092178; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:36:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39Ja4kk051088; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:36:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc13.comcast.net (alnrmhc13.comcast.net [206.18.177.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39JZxGr050918 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070409193553b1300jktige>; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:35:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <00ca01c771de$5a15b940$6400a8c0@momlaptop> References: <00a601c771c7$12731130$6400a8c0@momlaptop><00ba01c771ce$5f6b7cf0$2f01a8c0@HELENPINTO><00b301c771d2$12893040$6400a8c0@momlaptop> <2717b233e95170a979802a7e80400485@ntw.net> <00ca01c771de$5a15b940$6400a8c0@momlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960s/1970s Fringed Clothing for Males Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:35:53 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4119f7f8-4e87-40c2-afef-a56f3d6d3fb7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461A9730.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry I didnt have time to watch that video until now. Daltry's fringed jacket (more a skin-tight shirt than jacket) wasn't beaded. It matched his really skin tight pants. He looked pretty hot. Sylvia On Mar 29, 2007, at 2:43 AM, Penny Ladnier wrote: > Sylvia, > > Last week must have been Stones week. I saw a BBC-America documentary > about the Stones but it wasn't a concert. It was about their career > until the late 70s. I didn't see a fringe jacket in that film. In > the PBS show, was the fringe beaded? > > Penny Ladnier, > Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites > www.costumegallery.com > www.costumelibrary.com > www.costumeclassroom.com > www.costumeencyclopedia.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 16:27:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39KRHTM017435 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:27:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39KR0nF000677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:27:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39KK4KM099044; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:20:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39KIY4H093777; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:18:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39IMr4L075602 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 12:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070409182243.NRTZ10943.fep30.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:22:43 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.134]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070409182243.GFAG1370.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:22:43 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c77ad4$249505b0$866ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:23:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.164.110.134] at Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:22:38 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 208f2acc-f071-40fd-a369-5609e369ff96 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461AA194.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Saragrace, I think the tip of the shoe is two round, it should be sharp pointed. Heal is fine, but not the tip. Marie Antoinettes shoes was rediculous in the movie, i hated them all................ But apart from that and some other bummers, i liked the movie a lot. Especially all the courtiers costumes, not Marie Antoinettes dresses wich was changed or modernised two much. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes http://image.coldwatercreek.com/IMAGESFLL/H95057_013SL.JPG I found this in the Coldwater Creek catalogue. The online version doesn't have this description, but the catalogue says. "Marie Antoinette, the monarch who liked her hair big and her shoes embroidered, would have swooned over these." Not a bad heel, I wonder if you could re-cover them .. Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 17:58:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39Lw1Wg019166 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:58:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39Lvm3w023482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:57:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39LvFhr014642; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:57:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39LvAfw086600; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:57:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from misc.com (misc.com [130.94.190.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39Lv56f086539 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:57:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from theresa@misc.com) Received: (qmail 51392 invoked by uid 16115); 9 Apr 2007 21:57:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.187]) ([69.107.101.53]) (envelope-sender ) by 130.94.190.243 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 9 Apr 2007 21:57:04 -0000 Message-ID: <461AB6B0.8030509@misc.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:57:04 -0700 From: Theresa Eacker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd2cfbdb-35bd-4d79-8b12-87b8fef579d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461AB6DC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I bet you could mask off the white parts and maybe either spray paint or hand paint the wood part and then maybe stencil a free form vine/flower onto the heels. Now, to find an 18c salon event!! Theresa Eacker Saragrace Knauf wrote: > http://image.coldwatercreek.com/IMAGESFLL/H95057_013SL.JPG > > > I found this in the Coldwater Creek catalogue. The online version doesn't have this description, but the catalogue says. > > > > "Marie Antoinette, the monarch who liked her hair big and her shoes embroidered, would have swooned over these." > > > > Not a bad heel, I wonder if you could re-cover them .. > > > > Sg > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 18:31:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MVani019849 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:31:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39MVNdF030972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:31:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MUrao019357; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MUZNg017198; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.107]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MUSQl016964 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.11]) by bay0-omc1-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:30:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:30:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 22:30:20 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 15:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c77af6$9daeca90$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <000401c77ad4$249505b0$866ea450@CPQ21932199711> Thread-Index: Acd65JvlBxA90TtQQ+yiy86K1bfl2wAEXoIg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Apr 2007 22:30:22.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[A947D8B0:01C77AF6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 301b192b-eed0-4cd9-991b-f935e483fe4e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461ABEBB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO They didn't have opened toes either did they? BTW - I hated the movie - I thought it was completely boring. I'm not in a position to comment on the costume of the period... Irrespective of all that, I think it is cool to see the influence on modern dress. Complete accuracy aside, it is a fun discovery when you find something that may pass for a period shoe. Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:23 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Hi Saragrace, I think the tip of the shoe is two round, it should be sharp pointed. Heal is fine, but not the tip. Marie Antoinettes shoes was rediculous in the movie, i hated them all................ But apart from that and some other bummers, i liked the movie a lot. Especially all the courtiers costumes, not Marie Antoinettes dresses wich was changed or modernised two much. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes http://image.coldwatercreek.com/IMAGESFLL/H95057_013SL.JPG I found this in the Coldwater Creek catalogue. The online version doesn't have this description, but the catalogue says. "Marie Antoinette, the monarch who liked her hair big and her shoes embroidered, would have swooned over these." Not a bad heel, I wonder if you could re-cover them .. 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Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 18:48:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39Mmi79020208 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:48:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39MmVKs003449 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:48:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MlYUa021696; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MlT3a031875; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:47:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mx6.wvu.edu (mx6.wvu.edu [157.182.203.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MlMWS031763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:47:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUGW01.wvu.edu (wvugw01.wvu.edu [157.182.215.110]) by mx6.wvu.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l39MlLPs006484 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:47:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khoover@wvu.edu) Received: from WVUDOM1-MTA by WVUGW01.wvu.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:47:21 -0400 Message-Id: <461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:46:51 -0400 From: "Kathy Hoover" To: "H-Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> In-Reply-To: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab5a054a-e342-4d73-b972-e5df4f4cb3c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461AC2BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Kathleen=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com=20 http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 18:54:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MsBHG020314 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:54:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39Mrw8K003063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:54:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MrRDK022404; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:53:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MrQjt036900; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39MrM2B036743 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:53:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E26FCADFC for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:53:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <461AC3FF.5070402@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 17:53:51 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes References: <1092.2357.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1092.2357.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e9d9753-e51a-4ddd-9907-04d98db8d4b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461AC406.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Galadriel Lothlorien wrote: > This brings up a good point. > > Anyone know of any good 18th century shoe sources that > aren't hundreds of dollars? I'm finding that I'm not > even that nuts about shoes I'm finding on reenactor > sites. The heel shape is just SO hard to get right. > That's why I like the slides posted below... but the > open toe is not at all what I want. > That modern shoe looks like the uppers were glued on. I'm told that with a little effort the bottom half of the shoe can be pulled off and you can either make new uppers, or cover the modern ones, and glue them back together. You might even be able to close the toe. I wouldn't buy a $69 shoe to do that to, but if you can find the heel shape you like in a lower cost shoe, it might be worth the effort. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 19:18:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39NIrEu020833 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:18:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l39NIewf032759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:18:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39NFqVU025315; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39NFmhn054687; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l39NFiRS054569 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:15:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 50572 invoked from network); 9 Apr 2007 23:15:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.247.231 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2007 23:15:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M3114iQVM1mJUbQhNqlR.Bn_GF2qIAqFbAC1wRrJvb0LBgWx4S5zYuymnaDOl5F0_fwj1SA3QkloGw2Iidh3C6c9njsIopisECSyk87yUCLRgg9GXCMY Message-ID: <001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:14:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 60c6666a-3d9b-4867-b3c5-9f8e91390669 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461AC9D0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes Kathy , it is in a way. But my 'children' need to grow and get on in the world. Some of them have led a very reclusive life...and that is why they are beautiful. Getting on in age, myself, continuing the care necessary for the preservation and Conservation of such a wonderful collection will only become more complicated. And so, I challenge another generation to take up cause. This whole experience of getting everything together for such a "Swan's Song has been very exciting. I have Never seen all my wonderaful collection in one place at the same time. I marvel at the colors and textures and workmanship of the span of history captured in Fashion that has been my joy and priviledge to garner and conserve. I am not yet decided to attend either day. Several have suggested I would not really enjoy the final parting...or that I might consider picking up my toys and go home! I am concerned about Who might aquire some of the clothing, especially the antique; much of this belongs in a museum setting...especially one that would make the relics available for study of fiber and technique of construction. Thank you for the sentiments. Be sure and spread the word forConservation of antique and vintage fashion. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Hoover" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement Oh, Kathleen, Isn't this like selling off your children?! How can you part with all that gorgeous stuff! I'm planning to be there!!! Kathy Hoover in Morgantown, WV >>> "LLOYD MITCHELL" 04/06/07 9:56 PM >>> After 40? years of collecting and caring for a beloved costume collection, I am having a Last Roundup show that can be seen online at 3riversauction.com . This is the first time ever that I have seen all my costumes and assessories of antiquity at the same place and same time! It has been a show of over three months preparation; learning on both sides for the staff and myself. I calculate that about one fourth of the items on display are 80 years or older (which means a lot of hooks and eyes and snaps); this was a foreigh adventure for the photo crew! Any way, I hope you might be curious to see some of the examples I have introduced from time to time in our various discussions. I am merely loosing the bulk of all this finery in exchange for a virtual collection! And this is pretty exciting to me. Now, I will gain hours to continue Historical costume for the Eighteenth and Nineteenth Centuries...scaled for customers of the Human sort, as well as in miniature. Looking forward to hours of leisure! Kathleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 20:00:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A00u4C021689 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:00:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A00haa002121 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:00:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39Nnqdg029594; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39NnoBE079593; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:49:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39NnlmX079535 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AF5077003C0; Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:42:08 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:50:01 -0700 Message-ID: <007a01c77b01$ca56fa30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <1092.2357.qm@web37902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO www.sarahjuniper.co.uk/index.html=20 Don't know about cost, but she can do whatever you want. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Galadriel Lothlorien Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 3:37 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes This brings up a good point. Anyone know of any good 18th century shoe sources that aren't hundreds of dollars? I'm finding that I'm not even that nuts about shoes I'm finding on reenactor sites. The heel shape is just SO hard to get right.=20 That's why I like the slides posted below... but the open toe is not at all what I want. Thanks, --Rachel >=20 > http://image.coldwatercreek.com/IMAGESFLL/H95057_013SL.JPG > =20 > "Marie Antoinette, the monarch who liked her hair > big and her shoes embroidered, would have swooned > over these." =20 _________________________________________________________________________= ___ ________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! = Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=3D120121 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 21:36:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A1ao3i023897 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:36:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A1aa73022949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:36:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A1UnxZ040934; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:30:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A1UiX1042308; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:30:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A1Ud7f042257 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:30:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m245.in-tch.com [216.166.191.245]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l3A1GRG05828 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:16:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002301c77b11$1f017c40$f5bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:39:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7895f95d-799f-44e2-b58d-499a7db204be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461AEA24.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Speaking of historical influences, when I was at brunch with friends this past Sunday, we saw the cutest little girl (7 or 8), wearing the most adorable child's version of an 18th century gown, complete with petticoat. The rest of the family was in ordinary "good clothes," and she was in her best dress. (Nicely done, too, from what I can tell without being an expert in the time....) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > Irrespective of all that, I think it is cool to see the influence on modern > dress. Complete accuracy aside, it is a fun discovery when you find > something that may pass for a period shoe. > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 23:35:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3ZFPM027068 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:35:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A3Z1RC020764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:35:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3YYII055189; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:34:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3YVn1020184; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:34:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l39NMgpJ060175 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 17:22:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.d5a.6750057 (48552) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:22:26 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 19:22:26 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5362 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d8b256f-dc5b-4dc2-9fc6-4a63485fdcf0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461B05E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Eastern Daylight Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: Complete accuracy aside, it is a fun discovery when you find something that may pass for a period shoe. ***************** Those long square toed boots and shoes that look very mid to late 1600's and early 1700's, and are completely out of style now, should be at flea markets and liquidation sales now! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 23:35:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3ZnQd027085 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:35:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A3ZalH032727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:35:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3ZCEV055306; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3Z8mT020662; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A05edY089695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 18:05:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l3A0I5fm000730 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:18:05 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:14:40 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> <83C6A171-0820-46DB-9583-1B7C2A3FCFF4@margospatterns.com> In-Reply-To: <83C6A171-0820-46DB-9583-1B7C2A3FCFF4@margospatterns.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704092014.40971.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5622268-b661-4d47-b472-f20d365428f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461B0608.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Monday 09 April 2007 10:58 am, Margo Anderson wrote: > I'm in one of those small towns that only have Wal-mart for fabric. > > Some of what I've found on the sale tables there: > > heavyweight cotton herringbone twill, perfect for making corsets, $1 > a yard > cotton duck canvas, $1 > aubergine crepe back satin, $2 > black slinky knit, $1 > plaid taffeta, 60", $2 > soft black stretch netting, $1 > silver and black paisley brocade, $3 > batik printed chiffon, $1 > cotton gauze, in black, white, natural, and purple, $2 > silk chiffon, $2.99 > > At those prices, I usually buy the bolt, sometimes several bolts. Margo's comment confirms a theory of mine. I think the quality of items sold at Walmart varies a lot by location--including whatever fabric they sell. The Walmart nearest me (Exton, PA--a Philadelphia suburb) sells fabric, but the selection is awful; almost exclusively cotton-polyester or polyester in god-awful loud, tacky prints and/or obnoxious solid colors. But the daughter of a good friend of mine went to college in West Virginia, and the Walmart there was the only real store for 50 miles. Not only did it have quality merchandise, she said, but the store was really nice inside--more like a good department store than a low-end retailer. So I think the fabric departments in Walmarts in areas where Walmart is the *only* choice are probably quite good; it's in wealthier suburban/urban areas where they're likely to fail the fabric shopper. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 9 23:44:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3i5PV027308 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:44:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A3hqpb018987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:43:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3hMJR056426; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:43:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3hLCm026079; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:43:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A3hHt1026039 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 21:43:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A60C152500BE; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:35:40 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 20:43:33 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c77b22$6a479890$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <002301c77b11$1f017c40$f5bfa6d8@pavilion> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Was she perhaps wearing an "American Girl" dress, Felicity reproduction? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:40 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Speaking of historical influences, when I was at brunch with friends = this past Sunday, we saw the cutest little girl (7 or 8), wearing the most adorable child's version of an 18th century gown, complete with = petticoat. The rest of the family was in ordinary "good clothes," and she was in = her best dress. (Nicely done, too, from what I can tell without being an = expert in the time....) --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > Irrespective of all that, I think it is cool to see the influence on modern > dress. Complete accuracy aside, it is a fun discovery when you find > something that may pass for a period shoe. > > Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 00:06:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A46PK6027905 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:06:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A46B6u010451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:06:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A45pf7058975; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A45mDG039755; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:05:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.135]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A45i6e039704 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-185-79-207.neo.res.rr.com [65.185.79.207]) by ms-smtp-01.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3A45gBR004907 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01c77b25$7f81ae00$0202a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> <83C6A171-0820-46DB-9583-1B7C2A3FCFF4@margospatterns.com> <200704092014.40971.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:05:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d6fb514-948f-41c2-93a8-e4541c7648ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461B0D34.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > So I think the fabric departments in Walmarts in areas where Walmart is > the > *only* choice are probably quite good; it's in wealthier suburban/urban > areas > where they're likely to fail the fabric shopper. Not necessarily. :-) The only Wal-Mart in my immediate area that will still carry fabric after this summer is just around the corner from a Jo-Ann's ETC and is in one of the country's fastest growing townships. The area is suburban and is reasonably upscale. I've found lovely stuff at that Wal-Mart - linen, linen blends and other nifty stuff. Most of it was on the dollar tables, too. And that particular Wal-Mart is just over a half hour's drive from Jo-Ann's corporate headquarters and their accompanying mega-store. kate _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 00:22:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A4MF8h028324 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:22:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A4M1tI032057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:22:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A4LIZL060579; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:21:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A4LG5W048770; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A4LAm2048704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 22:21:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l3A4XaAX008735 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:33:36 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:30:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> <200704092014.40971.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000e01c77b25$7f81ae00$0202a8c0@Duncan> In-Reply-To: <000e01c77b25$7f81ae00$0202a8c0@Duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704100030.11964.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f189a69c-b5b4-421e-a450-56e19d0e4e29 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461B10E9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tuesday 10 April 2007 12:05 am, Ailith Mackintosh wrote: > > So I think the fabric departments in Walmarts in areas where Walmart is > > the > > *only* choice are probably quite good; it's in wealthier suburban/urban > > areas > > where they're likely to fail the fabric shopper. > > Not necessarily. :-) > > The only Wal-Mart in my immediate area that will still carry fabric after > this summer is just around the corner from a Jo-Ann's ETC and is in one of > the country's fastest growing townships. The area is suburban and is > reasonably upscale. I've found lovely stuff at that Wal-Mart - linen, linen > blends and other nifty stuff. Most of it was on the dollar tables, too. Interesting. I stand corrected. What part of the country do you live in, if I may ask? > > And that particular Wal-Mart is just over a half hour's drive from Jo-Ann's > corporate headquarters and their accompanying mega-store. Which might help to explain why that particular Walmart carries such good fabric deals. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 01:34:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A5YD1M030466 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:34:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A5Y0OU019128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:34:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A5XM6P068229; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:33:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A5XINL091067; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A5XEB1091030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2007 23:33:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-212-221-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.212.221]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3A5XBT3015830 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:33:13 +1000 Message-ID: <011201c77b31$b9564080$ddd4f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:33:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Disposition: X-PCToolsMIME: Updated by PC Tools Mime Parser 1.0.0.4 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] size for a test swatch X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92fa728e-cbea-491f-8b75-da888938dc11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461B21C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Good afternoon all, I've come back from an event over the weekend inspired to make up a Tudor gown from a silk brocade I've got in my stash but I'm not sure how it will react to washing. I was going to wash a test swatch but I'm not sure how big I should cut it, I don't want to cut too much off as that may make it difficult to cut the gown efficiently, but I also want to be able to evaluate how the drape is affected by washing, which is difficult with a small piece. So for those who regularly wash a test swatch how big do you cut yours? -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.177) Database version: 5.07050 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 02:32:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A6WeB1011692 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:32:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A6WR1i008924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:32:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A6W4nW074643; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:32:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A6W10e023712; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A6Vvqo023606 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C4FCAEA0 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:31:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <461B2F7E.2070502@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:32:30 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] size for a test swatch References: <011201c77b31$b9564080$ddd4f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <011201c77b31$b9564080$ddd4f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f8bbb366-a4af-42a9-b86f-48803ae601a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461B2F7B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > So for those > who regularly wash a test swatch how big do you cut yours? I try to get a couple of inches, and I measure it exactly. I'll trim it square with a rotary cutter on a gridded mat to be sure of the size. Then I can measure it again after it's washed and see what it does. With silk I'd expect shrinkage. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 04:14:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8Eb8n030992 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:14:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A8EOgR024282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:14:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8DtoX084888; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:13:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8Dpku082686; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:13:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8DmVw082630 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704100813.l3A8DmVw082630@net.indra.com> Received: from nunnweinberg1.comcast.net (c-75-73-50-142.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[75.73.50.142]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <200704100813410140023mfke>; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:13:42 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 03:12:51 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] boning and steel In-Reply-To: <4618F742.7070604@indigolily.ca> References: <4618F742.7070604@indigolily.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bf5a2b62-833d-48dd-955a-e43981ec64e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461B4760.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Canadians, (Torontonians in particular) have another option as well in MacDonald Faber http://macdonaldfaber.com/ a tailoring supply house. They also have some millinery supplies as well. Before I had moved to the States, I found their prices better than Farthingale's. Just my opinion. Cheers, Danielle At 09:08 AM 4/8/2007, you wrote: >for the canadians out there, Farthingales.on.ca > is definetely your best choice. They are >incredibly well stocked, sell by the piece or by the metre, and sell >other stuff like busks, fabric and lacing too. >K of indigolily.ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 04:31:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8VCfa001506 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:31:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A8UxtA003218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:31:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8UbaV086892; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8UZko092899; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8UViE092843 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:30:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070410083026.FDRE16221.fep31.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:30:26 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.237]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070410083026.GOWH1381.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:30:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c77b4a$9156ce10$ed43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:30:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.67.237] at Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:30:21 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=40% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pleated trim question. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9f7fbc0-fad0-441d-a48a-3c49f19dd058 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461B4B43.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am a little unsertain how i should cut the panels for the trims on this dress i am making: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm I want to make small box pleats, but i wondered if the trim should be cut in the height or could i just cut it out in the breath? Sorry if i misspelled the words. Jean Hunniset says that its not nescesary to cut that much fabric for trim. She says 11/2 or 2 times the lengt, but i think i should use at least 3 times the lenght. I have plenty of fabric for the dress, so i dont have to be carefull. I am using a little tiny gold trim in the edge, wich is wired, so its easy to make the pleats. What would your suggestions be? Thanks for any answers. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 04:43:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8hmsa004529 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:43:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3A8hYA7020555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:43:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8hCtn088428; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8h3no000663; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:43:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8gYgU000358 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070410084229.FHNY1033.fep34.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:42:29 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.237]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070410084228.GPEF1381.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:42:28 +0200 Message-ID: <003201c77b4c$42d9cf10$ed43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002301c77b11$1f017c40$f5bfa6d8@pavilion> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:43:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.67.237] at Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:42:27 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=33% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ae5c3701-06da-40d4-a046-0e0957fdae1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461B4E36.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There is nothing like a child in period costume. I get weak in my knees, every time i see it. And if i had children, they would have loads of costumes i had made for them. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > Speaking of historical influences, when I was at brunch with friends this > past Sunday, we saw the cutest little girl (7 or 8), wearing the most > adorable child's version of an 18th century gown, complete with petticoat. > The rest of the family was in ordinary "good clothes," and she was in her > best dress. (Nicely done, too, from what I can tell without being an > expert > in the time....) > --Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "WickedFrau" > To: "'Historical Costume'" > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:30 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > > >> Irrespective of all that, I think it is cool to see the influence on > modern >> dress. Complete accuracy aside, it is a fun discovery when you find >> something that may pass for a period shoe. >> >> Sg > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 06:26:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AAQM2a021995 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:26:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AAQ8Nk004773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:26:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AAPXwK002368; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:25:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AAPNlR062219; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:25:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.texas.rr.com [24.93.47.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AAPK79062176 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 04:25:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sclark935@austin.rr.com) Received: from Main (cpe-70-113-109-215.austin.res.rr.com [70.113.109.215]) by ms-smtp-03.texas.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3AAPJmZ015566 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:25:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <008501c77b5a$83adff80$d76d7146@Main> From: "Susan" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002301c77b11$1f017c40$f5bfa6d8@pavilion> <003201c77b4c$42d9cf10$ed43a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:25:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=32% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49c15f30-8116-4e9c-804b-cf75243bd799 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461B6641.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Can I volunteer? You can adopt me! :) (Unfortunately, I'm a bit beyond the child stage; oh, well.) Susan in Austin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:43 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > There is nothing like a child in period costume. I get weak in my knees, > every time i see it. And if i had children, they would have loads of > costumes i had made for them. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Clemenger" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:39 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > > >> Speaking of historical influences, when I was at brunch with friends this >> past Sunday, we saw the cutest little girl (7 or 8), wearing the most >> adorable child's version of an 18th century gown, complete with >> petticoat. >> The rest of the family was in ordinary "good clothes," and she was in her >> best dress. (Nicely done, too, from what I can tell without being an >> expert >> in the time....) >> --Sue >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "WickedFrau" >> To: "'Historical Costume'" >> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:30 PM >> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes >> >> >>> Irrespective of all that, I think it is cool to see the influence on >> modern >>> dress. Complete accuracy aside, it is a fun discovery when you find >>> something that may pass for a period shoe. >>> >>> Sg >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 07:29:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ABTjo2004844 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:29:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ABTVWL021170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:29:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ABS2UA009565; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:28:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ABRubd099027; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:27:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3A8lkfT003584 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:47:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKbrGkbUSnINi2dsb2JhbACQBAIBEA0G Received: from [80.43.67.234] (port=1421 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HbC0q-0008kH-3t for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:47:40 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070410094155.036ee600@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:47:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. In-Reply-To: <000501c77b4a$9156ce10$ed43a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c77b4a$9156ce10$ed43a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1420a0e0-cbbb-4bbe-900a-66efa60b3095 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461B751B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 09:30 10/04/2007, you wrote: >I am a little unsertain how i should cut the panels for the trims on >this dress i am making: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm >I want to make small box pleats, but i wondered if the trim should >be cut in the height or could i just cut it out in the breath? >Sorry if i misspelled the words. >Jean Hunniset says that its not nescesary to cut that much fabric >for trim. She says 11/2 or 2 times the lengt, but i think i should >use at least 3 times the lenght. If you are making box pleats, Hunnisett says that you should use 3 times the length, I.5 to 2 times is for gathers. It really doesn't matter whether you cut across the fabric width or down the length, unless you have a shot fabric, in which case you need to decide which way according to how the colour changes. (Sometimes you want the contrast.) Many trimmings on original garments are made up from scraps of leftover material, so if it is not a shot fabric you can use it both ways. >I have plenty of fabric for the dress, so i dont have to be >carefull. I am using a little tiny gold trim in the edge, wich is >wired, so its easy to make the pleats. Incidentally I used a wired trim for one dress I made, and hated the way it looked when finished, so took it all off, pulled out the wire and did it all again! (Must have been mad!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 08:27:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ACRu8b009008 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:27:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ACRhUp006461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:27:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ACRHjI017629; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:27:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ACRCAY034749; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ACR8xU034668 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070410122703.ROQR10943.fep30.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:27:03 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.237]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070410122702.GYJO1148.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:27:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c77b6b$9b0aec90$ed43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c77b4a$9156ce10$ed43a150@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20070410094155.036ee600@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Suzi, Again you have ben very helpfull. Many thanks for your answer. My taffeta isnt shot, so i guess it doesnt matter. I did play with the wired goldtrim and made small sampler trims and i liked the way mine is looking, so ill just use it. To tell the truth, the trim is just a christmas pressent ribbon, but it looks very nice, and i baught yards and yards of it. Its because it has the look of antique gold, and not the shiny man made fiber crap you find in trim stores. Oh gosh its going to be so boring to make all that pleated trim, it has trim all over.................... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. > At 09:30 10/04/2007, you wrote: >>I am a little unsertain how i should cut the panels for the trims on this >>dress i am making: >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm >>I want to make small box pleats, but i wondered if the trim should be cut >>in the height or could i just cut it out in the breath? >>Sorry if i misspelled the words. >>Jean Hunniset says that its not nescesary to cut that much fabric for >>trim. She says 11/2 or 2 times the lengt, but i think i should use at >>least 3 times the lenght. > > If you are making box pleats, Hunnisett says that you should use 3 times > the length, I.5 to 2 times is for gathers. > > It really doesn't matter whether you cut across the fabric width or down > the length, unless you have a shot fabric, in which case you need to > decide which way according to how the colour changes. (Sometimes you want > the contrast.) Many trimmings on original garments are made up from scraps > of leftover material, so if it is not a shot fabric you can use it both > ways. > >>I have plenty of fabric for the dress, so i dont have to be carefull. I am >>using a little tiny gold trim in the edge, wich is wired, so its easy to >>make the pleats. > > Incidentally I used a wired trim for one dress I made, and hated the way > it looked when finished, so took it all off, pulled out the wire and did > it all again! (Must have been mad!) > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 08:49:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ACn0bd009713 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:49:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ACmkxZ018263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:48:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ACmHfD020383; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:48:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ACmE9o048429; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:48:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ACm9ZV048326 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:48:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.63.152.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.63.152] helo=faucet.net) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HbFlY-0002gp-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:48:09 -0400 Message-ID: <461B958C.2060207@faucet.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:47:56 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] size for a test swatch References: <011201c77b31$b9564080$ddd4f5dc@user4712b7d135> <461B2F7E.2070502@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=38% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37d3c84d-9ebc-4e68-b9e7-2d98d2a7b93b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461B87AE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 09:55:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ADt1n6011991 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:55:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ADsmSQ023853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:54:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ADrZXP029161; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ADrVv5094519; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:53:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ADrRZr094443 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:53:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m47.in-tch.com [216.166.191.47]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l3ADdEG20288 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 07:39:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000a01c77b78$e35c08a0$2fbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c77b22$6a479890$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:02:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58b390b6-2636-4ca8-8ce2-9c21b1865b02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461B9728.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's entirely possible--it had the look of a really good costume--nice design, and whoever sewed it did a nice job as well (and fabric choice--some sort of crisp cotton in a non-inappropriate color). I'm not really familiar with what's available, commercially, for children, though, so I couldn't say for sure. I've heard of the whole "American Girl" thing (dolls and books and all), but that's about it. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > Was she perhaps wearing an "American Girl" dress, Felicity reproduction? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:40 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > > > Speaking of historical influences, when I was at brunch with friends this > past Sunday, we saw the cutest little girl (7 or 8), wearing the most > adorable child's version of an 18th century gown, complete with petticoat. > The rest of the family was in ordinary "good clothes," and she was in her > best dress. (Nicely done, too, from what I can tell without being an expert > in the time....) > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 11:08:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AF87uW014621 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:08:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AF7rXL021090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:07:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AF6d2F040686; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:06:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AF6XV6061321; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AF6SEx061251 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E68CAF44 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:06:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <461BA81D.2030602@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:07:09 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] size for a test swatch References: <011201c77b31$b9564080$ddd4f5dc@user4712b7d135> <461B2F7E.2070502@reddawn.net> <461B958C.2060207@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <461B958C.2060207@faucet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2c5a3bb-cbf7-4d00-8937-6a3413cb4692 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461BA849.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > I'd also expect the fabric to lose a lot of its crispness and get rather > softer and limper. I've seen this happen to a friend's brocade. One of > the things I love about silk brocade is how much body it has, but if you > want it drapey, washing will do that. For a Tudor gown, you might be > better off with a crisper hand. You don't have to *wash* it to pre-shrink it, though. Just getting silk wet will cause it to shrink. When I did my wedding gown, I just laid the folded yardage in the tub -- after testing a swatch -- and it kept its crispness. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 13:02:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH2RXJ018408 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:02:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AH2EUw009768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:02:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH0wv2058132; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:00:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH0qXv075698; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:00:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH0krQ075492 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:00:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.d67.6840e81 (14467) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:00:39 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:00:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5362 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce8334e2-d0e7-42b6-bb6b-96fe6b34a33e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461BC316.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/10/2007 7:28:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: If you are making box pleats, Hunnisett says that you should use 3 times the length, I.5 to 2 times is for gathers. ****************** Yes, as you already know, I'm sure, 3 times the length for full-return pleats. But some trims are not full-return and have a "skimpy"...but desirable lighter look. I'd do a little experiment with a length to see what you like. On "Last of the Mohicans" the cutter of Madeline Stowe's gown told me it's better not to sew the lengths cut for the pleating together but to disguise the separate sections in the pleating as you sew it to the gown...y'know, end one length with the edge folded under at a pleat and the edge of the next length slipped under that....then start pleating again. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 13:07:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH7Uca018561 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:07:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AH7BMr014181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:07:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH56CE058715; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:05:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH54ZP079972; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:05:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp109.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3AH5039079809 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: (qmail 77332 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2007 17:04:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) 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Canton, Ohio 44702-1018 (330)452-0665 x 5750 mcarey@starklibrary.org We don't have issues... we have subscriptions. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 13:09:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH9E1b018628 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:09:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AH911u015886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:09:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH8YS0059208; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:08:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH8U93083400; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:08:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AH8RfH083253 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:08:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.d53.6843370 (14467) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:08:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:08:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5362 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e826ca42-951d-4aea-88cb-80fac2ccf61c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461BC4AD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Oh gosh its going to be so boring to make all that pleated trim, it has trim all over.................... ****************** Where ARE your assistants when you need them???? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 14:09:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AI9SnU020784 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:09:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AI9DtD009352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:09:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AI8Hiw068436; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:08:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AI89Jk044476; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AI847e044365 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070410180758.CCIR1033.fep34.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:07:58 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.13]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070410180758.HDPJ1365.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:07:58 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c77b9b$391ae640$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:08:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.13] at Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:07:51 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=33% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb1e5e86-72bb-462c-a25f-638fef72ae87 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461BD2C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes i think its the best to do two. Jean Hunniset says the same. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. > > In a message dated 4/10/2007 7:28:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > If you are making box pleats, Hunnisett says that you should use 3 > times the length, I.5 to 2 times is for gathers. > > > > ****************** > > Yes, as you already know, I'm sure, 3 times the length for full-return > pleats. But some trims are not full-return and have a "skimpy"...but > desirable > lighter look. I'd do a little experiment with a length to see what you > like. > > On "Last of the Mohicans" the cutter of Madeline Stowe's gown told me it's > better not to sew the lengths cut for the pleating together but to > disguise > the separate sections in the pleating as you sew it to the gown...y'know, > end > one length with the edge folded under at a pleat and the edge of the next > length slipped under that....then start pleating again. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 14:32:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIWSEA021352 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:32:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AIWF8m005699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:32:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIVkY7072342; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIVhUT068394; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:31:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIVcug068296 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:31:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070410183134.EWLH10943.fep30.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:31:34 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.13]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070410183134.HDLB1381.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:31:34 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c77b9e$89cf4560$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:32:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.20.13] at Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:31:33 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elegant courtlife of Frederik V X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c04c180a-36c7-4175-9a7c-9009904db5f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461BD82F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I went to a lecture today with Katia Johansen the curator of the textile department at Rosenborg. Rosenborg has one of the worlds best collection of royal clothes from 17th to 20th century. The lecture was pure candy for me, i have never enjoyed anything better than this. Examples of the fashions in 18th century was shown on pictures and later we went to the museum to se the exhibition. Livrustkammaren in Stockholm had borrowed us the weddingdress of Sofia Magdalena, an exquisit french courtdress for the year 1766. Sofia Magdalena married the old danish enimy Swedens king Gustav III and nothing was saved in expense to show the swedes how rich we were. Her weddingdress wich was thoaght to have ben made in Paris was lately discovered, to be made in Copenhagen. They found the bill and the tailors notes. The highlight of the lecture was supposed to be the showing of a copy of her pannier worn beneath the dress, and the female ordiense was allowed to try it on. Never have i ben more dissapointed and embarrased, you should have seen that pannier! It was a total bummer! What was supposed to be the support at the waistlevel to the sides, was some large oval hoops hanging from the waist at the knee level. It was a bad mistake. How on earth Katia Johansen could let this happend, gives me no idea, the show was a total blast............. In the bill there is mentioned 80 bouquets of silver flowers in different sizes, the price of the bouquets is doubble as much as the dress, but all these flowers is missing on the dress, and the mystery is that there is no traces of sewing in the dress fabric. So what was these flowers used for? Nobody have any ideas about it. I saw Christian VII's banyan, wich was a love affair to me, made in floral brokade, but the flowers was not in colloured threads, in stead the flowers was painted after the fabric had ben wowen. It has a japanese cut, very simple, but have european style with collar and belt and pockets. Belt is sewn to the back and buttons with 2 buttons center front. If i had somewhere to wear such a thing, i would make it! I also watched Frederik V's wedding suit embroidered all over with gold, made in velvet, and many other suits. The highlight of the gentlemens suits was Christian VII's weddingsuit (wich Mauritia Kirchner copyed), very interresting to se the original. I think all the gold embroidery was made on a thin fabric first, and the appliqued on the garment after, because i noticed this in the back seam of the sleaves, it was clearly seen, that the embroidery was not made on the fabric but appliqued on top of the back seam. There was a beautifull catalog to the exhibition wich i baught off cause, and i think i have to buy some more to my friends. What i learned from this exhibition watching such a large pannier is, that it is narrower diagonally than you realise, and i think also it was much more flexible, than you really would expect. They should have contakted me, then i could have shown them a much better pannier, it was such a shame......... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 14:34:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIY6v9021392 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:34:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AIXrId001007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:33:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIXIpQ072577; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIXGYg069950; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:33:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-06.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-06.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIXDvK069899 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:33:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-185-79-207.neo.res.rr.com [65.185.79.207]) by ms-smtp-06.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3AIXBHr006777 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007e01c77b9e$ae7e9910$0202a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> <200704092014.40971.cathy@thyrsus.com> <000e01c77b25$7f81ae00$0202a8c0@Duncan> <200704100030.11964.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:32:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4f0f24c-3662-4402-9214-46a600a27db4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461BD891.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I live in NE Ohio, roughly 60 miles south and slightly east of Cleveland. kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric > On Tuesday 10 April 2007 12:05 am, Ailith Mackintosh wrote: >> > So I think the fabric departments in Walmarts in areas where Walmart is >> > the >> > *only* choice are probably quite good; it's in wealthier suburban/urban >> > areas >> > where they're likely to fail the fabric shopper. >> >> Not necessarily. :-) >> >> The only Wal-Mart in my immediate area that will still carry fabric after >> this summer is just around the corner from a Jo-Ann's ETC and is in one >> of >> the country's fastest growing townships. The area is suburban and is >> reasonably upscale. I've found lovely stuff at that Wal-Mart - linen, >> linen >> blends and other nifty stuff. Most of it was on the dollar tables, too. > > Interesting. I stand corrected. > > What part of the country do you live in, if I may ask? >> >> And that particular Wal-Mart is just over a half hour's drive from >> Jo-Ann's >> corporate headquarters and their accompanying mega-store. > > Which might help to explain why that particular Walmart carries such good > fabric deals. :-) > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." > -- George Mabry > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 14:40:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIeDe0021553 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:40:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AIe0rA003314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:40:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIcjQb073248; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:38:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIci5X074838; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:38:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIcf60074803 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:38:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1491608pyb for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:38:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oCfZRvZaSnOl9vWpq33ERYZ8qQiypPumd5HrgoC0OocDIbNx14Z1vYQULFMOA7Y2evlZbEGfng2y7pjsUTP+vyYy17yLwyT7R1NqAdv5IEeQCUTV4HloBxo9kuar1/1p5dOuDbvgy1M6uMOQeEPFRC7xry5StAG8RQbHui5g8H0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=luHa2fk6R30vVoxPv6sIGJ8Z8MqFBHmuECGqAv+oiydPrMNzMk1r4ytSeskZyX7foe0zIN3hMKzm8kQoqEgTXASlCKg84CmchJ00wlkUixWenaBkmFCHR+5YHaLbPxdEe9VG1a7/aaAVgQbxhvUxLgWKm3bygz0gVyFjgQjHauA= Received: by 10.114.57.1 with SMTP id f1mr2717318waa.1176230321501; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.130.18 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:38:41 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 158c04a5-fe13-4a65-a047-6c7f1e71febe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461BDA00.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >To tell the truth, the trim is just a christmas pressent ribbon, but it >looks very nice, and i baught yards and yards of it. >Its because it has the look of antique gold, and not the shiny man made >fiber crap you find in trim stores. >Oh gosh its going to be so boring to make all that pleated trim, it has trim >all over.................... >Bjarne This sounds like a job for power tools! Most of us have seen, used or owned the little 1/4cm pleater (or 1/8th inch) for a standard sewing machine. Those are ok for lightweight ribbons & excellent for fine & lightweight fabrics. For ribbon, the standard is just too tiny. There must be some sort of pleating machine or sewing machine attachment for pleating in 1cm - 3 cm fan & box pleats in grosgrain, satin or velvet face ribbons. They do exist for industrial ribbon manufacturing. How 'bout at the home or small dressmaker's shop scale? Know of one? It would be just the thing. Dreaming of powertools in Silicon Valley, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 14:59:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIxbuW022117 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:59:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AIxN63016522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:59:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIx28S076354; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:59:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AIwxip093764; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:58:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3AIwsbN093614 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:58:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 74081 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Apr 2007 18:58:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=pqcarTzK8GmPrEdSd2LS6p0tL3uqslnjwdfFg0qGlFDoTgAIQRL5hCdare4NJ9CGcP4tnMjMYRr+y8xOdigptKEa/tTEbM7Vh037TYqAlZp7EU00R/uX4P2EUjsfmwCG6akL2T2zC0bIiESGwK3lEAtzlYcPTx9gSiCCKr8C01M=; X-YMail-OSG: w7IHYk8VM1nlcfDzllLw2ZuZG5byKjDdF45XlxsU7QgzSkIlyo77Y5SczlmHarMjQJZtlgQXWNMNapA6aMY51oC9CTvIIWg2r8w7C5g5wVH4Fkm7DDOe0Jvb9_wQkA-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:58:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/478 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.10 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 11:58:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <13557.71259.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 160 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f540b9f-e40e-4c77-b6ed-7210a0cfcc45 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461BDE8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My daughter does as authentic as I can convince her to. :-) I even make her= jewellry to make sure it all looks right. (except for the tiara in this ph= oto set, she thought she should have a proper tiara befitting a princess. := -) )=0AJust because it's fun to think Bjarne might get all weak at the knee= s over the stuff I make just because it's on my little one *grin*, here's m= y little girl's Christmas concert dress this past winter, based roughly on = Bia De Medici and some Disney Princess thrown in to make her giddy. :-) The= re are proper sleeves to tie onto the puffs, but they were just a little lo= ng at the time and were annoying her, so we took them off.=0Ahttp://picasaw= eb.google.com/49victor/2006ChristmasConcert=0A=0AShe has a pretty convincin= g little Norse kit as well that she likes because she can grub out in it - = its all wool and linen so it washes without trouble.=0A=0AKathy=0A =0AErmin= e, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or b= arbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert=0A(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed ve= rt a lion's head erased gules.=0A=0AIt=92s never too late to be who you mig= ht have been.=0A-George Eliot=0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is= the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131=0A=0AThere = is nothing like a child in period costume. I get weak in my knees, =0Aevery= time i see it. And if i had children, they would have loads of =0Acostumes= i had made for them.=0A=0ABjarne=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 15:28:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJS7mb022970 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:28:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AJRr8a023189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:27:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJRF4v026696; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJRApM022830; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:27:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJR6L1022655 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:27:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.24]) by bay0-omc3-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:27:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:27:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:26:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c77b9e$89cf4560$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:25:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:25:58 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Apr 2007 19:27:00.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[362F0FF0:01C77BA6] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, Was: Elegant courtlife of Frederik V X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7631065c-c650-4fe6-81ca-0e3cbff3e0ff X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461BE539.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What is this banyan thing Bjarne? I have only seen it in context of a = particular type of cloak. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bjarne og Leif Drews=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elegant courtlife of Frederik V >snip I saw Christian VII's banyan, wich was a love affair to me, made in = floral=20 brokade, but the flowers was not in colloured threads, in stead the = flowers=20 was painted after the fabric had ben wowen. It has a japanese cut, = very=20 simple, but have european style with collar and belt and pockets. Belt = is=20 sewn to the back and buttons with 2 buttons center front. If i had somewhere to wear such a thing, i would make it! >snip Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk = http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ = _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 15:40:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJefh7023246 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:40:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AJeRts015531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:40:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJdcWs046138; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJdZHe036229; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJdUkv036053 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:39:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070410193922.FBKG1884.fep32.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:39:22 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.13]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070410193922.HENZ1370.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:39:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c77ba8$06074390$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c77b9e$89cf4560$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, Was: Elegant courtlife of Frederik V Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:39:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.20.13] at Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:39:20 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=41% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 284a7ecf-7c52-4ba1-81e2-820dbf210ae1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461BE82B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Saragrace, I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a banyan. Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing a full dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear a banyan. You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and breeches, but Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he could have worn nothing underneath :-) Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have to wear a wig, but its missing in this outfit. Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would exhamine very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i am on, if men wore makeup! I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose colloured cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the portraits of the kings. Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and they therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, but they did PERIOD Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan,Was: Elegant courtlife of Frederik V What is this banyan thing Bjarne? I have only seen it in context of a particular type of cloak. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bjarne og Leif Drews To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:32 AM Subject: [h-cost] Elegant courtlife of Frederik V >snip I saw Christian VII's banyan, wich was a love affair to me, made in floral brokade, but the flowers was not in colloured threads, in stead the flowers was painted after the fabric had ben wowen. It has a japanese cut, very simple, but have european style with collar and belt and pockets. Belt is sewn to the back and buttons with 2 buttons center front. If i had somewhere to wear such a thing, i would make it! >snip Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 15:49:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJnEDf023463 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:49:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AJn1Pt030558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:49:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJmNtY060769; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:48:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJmLcT045547; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:48:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJmJdV045509 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:48:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so2331190anc for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:48:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=mxeoC/37ag8i8g77TAvfQo2k2INuzxtAqFE/RkxImIN2UKa+8WQp05m38Wn7cE3kGnClN3Thbsm53SHnq1gD+KLzuzmCEMJt4Rx7KXF5xxjXzvAt/OmiEq3aDdf+6+W1MBegkXYw1/0+dAvj8n/1LI0+FuovkFnOJrA7D/iFxt8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=XoHgfcpqlizaJc+nnyXT8OZsOZBl84iLwCl0QiKq/TSE/vlRDsfUx+H6fKayj2WAsLhGrx32PeXI0eG3ZwzkVBNZPmDyi0i2uE9eJDcnvPX2Guiafa/UtGI/DrA/xyicGAhlgtRRDuQEjruEreyh84yndVNc72TMtZ9zx4XhcOM= Received: by 10.100.154.13 with SMTP id b13mr5209004ane.1176234498702; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 66sm7403696wra.2007.04.10.12.48.18; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 12:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <054b01c77ba9$38a38b00$080ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com><200704092014.40971.cathy@thyrsus.com><000e01c77b25$7f81ae00$0202a8c0@Duncan><200704100030.11964.cathy@thyrsus.com> <007e01c77b9e$ae7e9910$0202a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:45:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e79cf579-5236-4612-b3eb-74e2161fc61c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461BEA2D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On of our local fabric mavens just posted (sorry, north texas news) that there were 12 north texas wal-marts doing a huge sale this weekend on fabric. The speculation is that this may be nation wide and that it is the precursor to the shutting down of these areas. I.E. what is sold will not be replaced. Check to see if your local Wal-Mart is having this sale this weekend. Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric >I live in NE Ohio, roughly 60 miles south and slightly east of Cleveland. > > kate > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric > > >> On Tuesday 10 April 2007 12:05 am, Ailith Mackintosh wrote: >>> > So I think the fabric departments in Walmarts in areas where Walmart >>> > is >>> > the >>> > *only* choice are probably quite good; it's in wealthier >>> > suburban/urban >>> > areas >>> > where they're likely to fail the fabric shopper. >>> >>> Not necessarily. :-) >>> >>> The only Wal-Mart in my immediate area that will still carry fabric >>> after >>> this summer is just around the corner from a Jo-Ann's ETC and is in one >>> of >>> the country's fastest growing townships. The area is suburban and is >>> reasonably upscale. I've found lovely stuff at that Wal-Mart - linen, >>> linen >>> blends and other nifty stuff. Most of it was on the dollar tables, too. >> >> Interesting. I stand corrected. >> >> What part of the country do you live in, if I may ask? >>> >>> And that particular Wal-Mart is just over a half hour's drive from >>> Jo-Ann's >>> corporate headquarters and their accompanying mega-store. >> >> Which might help to explain why that particular Walmart carries such good >> fabric deals. :-) >> >> -- >> Cathy Raymond >> >> "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." >> -- George Mabry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 16:00:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AK09Ct023675 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:00:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AJxt4K008786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:59:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJx2H1008488; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:59:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJwuax056370; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:58:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AJwkOq055998 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 13:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAK6IG0bUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQBQIBAQcIBgcIGw Received: from [80.43.67.234] (port=1638 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HbMU5-000Daj-TQ for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:58:34 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070410205113.0371b1b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:58:32 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup In-Reply-To: <000601c77ba8$06074390$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000a01c77b9e$89cf4560$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> <000601c77ba8$06074390$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bde61ec5-56bc-43f6-9464-e31dcc92951f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461BECBB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: >Dear Saragrace, >I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a >banyan. Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of >wearing a full dressed outfit, a man being at home could have >visitors and wear a banyan. You usually wore the banyan with your >shirt, waistcoat and breeches, but Christian VII's banyan was closed >entirely in the front, so he could have worn nothing underneath :-) >Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have >to wear a wig, but its missing in this outfit. > >Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would >exhamine very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century >list i am on, if men wore makeup! >I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose >colloured cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the >portraits of the kings. >Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and >they therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th >century, but they did PERIOD > >Bjarne Bjarne "Fashions in Makeup" by Richard Corson, and "The Art of Beauty" by Sally Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, "British dandies who affected the extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time and care over their toilette as their female counterparts." (Pointer using James Boswell - and others - as a source.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 16:28:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AKSaSN024256 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:28:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AKSNaB010967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:28:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AKRh0r055207; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AKRbme085769; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:27:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AKRXB9085620 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.c69.fef10fd (41811) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:27:21 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, Was: Elegant courtlife of Frederik V To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c68c34d-8097-49d8-aa3c-a63a6795ace1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461BF367.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/10/2007 3:40:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and they therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, but they did PERIOD **************** Of course they did! I'm sure a farmer in the fields didn't, but a man at court would not have been looked at twice [unless he was very handsome ;-)] in makeup and perfumed powder. Remember the gambling scenes in "Barry Lyndon" filmed under real candle light? Beautiful!... with men and women made up and powdered...wigs and faces. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 17:19:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALJiSO025382 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:19:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ALJU85021681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:19:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALInh4044362; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALIkKX032719; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:18:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALIgYi032632 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD682530076; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:11:04 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] pleated trim question. Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:19:00 -0700 Message-ID: <005c01c77bb5$dc1c07b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <000501c77b4a$9156ce10$ed43a150@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 42056ebe-0702-4d02-a9ea-42a3e9ca8034 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461BFF62.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO When I make box pleats, where the pleats touch at the sides, I do it = three times the length I need. If you make a drawing, you will see that every pleat has 3 layers: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ / \ / \ / \ / \ /_ _ _\ /_ _ _\ (hope this comes through correctly) Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:31 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] pleated trim question. I am a little unsertain how i should cut the panels for the trims on = this=20 dress i am making: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm I want to make small box pleats, but i wondered if the trim should be = cut in the height or could i just cut it out in the breath? Sorry if i misspelled the words. Jean Hunniset says that its not nescesary to cut that much fabric for = trim.=20 She says 11/2 or 2 times the lengt, but i think i should use at least 3=20 times the lenght. I have plenty of fabric for the dress, so i dont have to be carefull. I = am=20 using a little tiny gold trim in the edge, wich is wired, so its easy to = make the pleats. What would your suggestions be? Thanks for any answers. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 17:26:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALQYBV025486 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:26:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ALQKpA017489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:26:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALPNJK045124; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:25:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALPIhX038459; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:25:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALPFU7038412 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AEF24930370; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:17:38 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 160 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:25:34 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c77bb6$c68fb6c0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <13557.71259.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3592bed-a25f-402e-92ad-b48ec8441ddd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461C00FC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I love the sleeves. How did you do that? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Kathy Page Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:59 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 160 My daughter does as authentic as I can convince her to. :-) I even make = her jewellry to make sure it all looks right. (except for the tiara in this photo set, she thought she should have a proper tiara befitting a = princess. :-) ) Just because it's fun to think Bjarne might get all weak at the knees = over the stuff I make just because it's on my little one *grin*, here's my = little girl's Christmas concert dress this past winter, based roughly on Bia De Medici and some Disney Princess thrown in to make her giddy. :-) There = are proper sleeves to tie onto the puffs, but they were just a little long = at the time and were annoying her, so we took them off. http://picasaweb.google.com/49victor/2006ChristmasConcert She has a pretty convincing little Norse kit as well that she likes = because she can grub out in it - its all wool and linen so it washes without trouble. Kathy =20 Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a = rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It=92s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 There is nothing like a child in period costume. I get weak in my knees, = every time i see it. And if i had children, they would have loads of=20 costumes i had made for them. Bjarne =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 17:26:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALQvDi025507 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:26:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ALQh3x026823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:26:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALQ14p045217; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:26:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALPxn3039159; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:25:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALPswn039018 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:25:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070410212547.HCHI22671.fep35.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:25:47 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.13]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070410212546.HKDD1161.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:25:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c77bb6$e062bca0$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000a01c77b9e$89cf4560$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711><000601c77ba8$06074390$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20070410205113.0371b1b0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:26:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.20.13] at Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:25:45 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=43% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b3708e8-d715-4139-9843-9cd6ea19f66d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461C0114.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks a lot Suzi, Its also because i bike a lot every day at my job, getting arround to my clients, and gets quite tanned in the face, wich doesnt match reenacting 18th century. But i wondered what they used in their faces for makeup, powder alone, would not hold very long............. I use a theater stick, wich i take out in a sponge, and adds this to my skin, then i use a powder, on top rouge and sometimes a black mouche. Colonial Williamsburg has the worlds most wonderfull white powder wich is perfumed, i wished they made a deodorant with that perfume, its heavenly! I dont use lipstick. In september i am going to a 2 days event in Bayreuth. Having a danse soiré in the princess house friday evening, a picknick to the nearby castle garden, saturday and in the evening we hired the prince suites in the old baroque theater, hearing Purcels King Arthur. I just thoaght it would be nice, if all the gentlemen would dare to wear makeup that evening................. When i get home from this, ill post you a lot of pictures to see. And i am preparing to update my costumes for this event. I just finished a jacket, wich ill wear to the yellow embroidered waistcoat, this i would use for the picknic. then the Tzar Allexander suit for the opera, i have finished the waistcoat with the silver spangels. The danse soiré ill wear my light blue satin suit with the silver bobbin lace. My trunk is going to be quite heavy.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup > At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: >>Dear Saragrace, >>I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a banyan. >>Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing a full >>dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear a banyan. >>You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and breeches, but >>Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he could have >>worn nothing underneath :-) >>Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have to wear >>a wig, but its missing in this outfit. >> >>Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would exhamine >>very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i am on, if >>men wore makeup! >>I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose colloured >>cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the portraits of the >>kings. >>Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and they >>therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, but >>they did PERIOD >> >>Bjarne > > Bjarne > > "Fashions in Makeup" by Richard Corson, and "The Art of Beauty" by Sally > Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, "British dandies who affected the > extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time and care > over their toilette as their female counterparts." (Pointer using James > Boswell - and others - as a source.) > > Suzi > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 17:32:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALWYqS025632 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:32:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ALWKnh029647 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:32:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALVe17045978; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:31:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALVXhf044366; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALVSfs044215 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070410213123.HEXN22671.fep35.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:31:23 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.13]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070410213110.IIEO1147.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:31:10 +0200 Message-ID: <001701c77bb7$a8f700e0$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <13557.71259.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 160 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:31:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.20.13] at Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:31:08 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=43% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec610148-bfc9-4db8-a497-ab7771da82c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461C0264.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks for posting Kathy. She is very sweat in her fine costume. I remembered one of my studyers, who went to the design school same time as me, she made a knitted jacket, in machine knit, where she also plaited the long sleaves like you did with the puffed sleaves. It looked so elegant. Took her hours to make, as i remember............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Page" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 160 My daughter does as authentic as I can convince her to. :-) I even make her jewellry to make sure it all looks right. (except for the tiara in this photo set, she thought she should have a proper tiara befitting a princess. :-) ) Just because it's fun to think Bjarne might get all weak at the knees over the stuff I make just because it's on my little one *grin*, here's my little girl's Christmas concert dress this past winter, based roughly on Bia De Medici and some Disney Princess thrown in to make her giddy. :-) There are proper sleeves to tie onto the puffs, but they were just a little long at the time and were annoying her, so we took them off. http://picasaweb.google.com/49victor/2006ChristmasConcert She has a pretty convincing little Norse kit as well that she likes because she can grub out in it - its all wool and linen so it washes without trouble. Kathy Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131 There is nothing like a child in period costume. I get weak in my knees, every time i see it. And if i had children, they would have loads of costumes i had made for them. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 17:38:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALcfxm025748 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:38:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ALcRuj023603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:38:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALbIWN046913; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALbH5N049744; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:37:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALbC6F049680 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:37:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1BD119902F4; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:29:33 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:37:30 -0700 Message-ID: <006f01c77bb8$713c13b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <000801c77bb6$e062bca0$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 705d304f-1b10-493a-8a48-84d076e5512e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461C03D3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, plus = it washes off with water. Have you ever used this? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in = makeup Thanks a lot Suzi, Its also because i bike a lot every day at my job, getting arround to my = clients, and gets quite tanned in the face, wich doesnt match reenacting = 18th century. But i wondered what they used in their faces for makeup, powder alone, = would not hold very long............. I use a theater stick, wich i take out in a sponge, and adds this to my = skin, then i use a powder, on top rouge and sometimes a black mouche.=20 Colonial Williamsburg has the worlds most wonderfull white powder wich = is=20 perfumed, i wished they made a deodorant with that perfume, its = heavenly! I dont use lipstick. In september i am going to a 2 days event in Bayreuth. Having a danse = soir=E9=20 in the princess house friday evening, a picknick to the nearby castle=20 garden, saturday and in the evening we hired the prince suites in the = old=20 baroque theater, hearing Purcels King Arthur. I just thoaght it would be = nice, if all the gentlemen would dare to wear makeup that=20 evening................. When i get home from this, ill post you a lot of pictures to see. And i am preparing to update my costumes for this event. I just finished = a=20 jacket, wich ill wear to the yellow embroidered waistcoat, this i would = use=20 for the picknic. then the Tzar Allexander suit for the opera, i have=20 finished the waistcoat with the silver spangels. The danse soir=E9 ill = wear my light blue satin suit with the silver bobbin lace. My trunk is going to be quite heavy.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in = makeup > At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: >>Dear Saragrace, >>I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a = banyan.=20 >>Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing a = full=20 >>dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear a = banyan. >>You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and breeches, = but=20 >>Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he could = have=20 >>worn nothing underneath :-) >>Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have to = wear >>a wig, but its missing in this outfit. >> >>Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would = exhamine=20 >>very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i am = on, if >>men wore makeup! >>I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose = colloured=20 >>cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the portraits of = the >>kings. >>Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and = they=20 >>therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, = but >>they did PERIOD >> >>Bjarne > > Bjarne > > "Fashions in Makeup" by Richard Corson, and "The Art of Beauty" by = Sally > Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, "British dandies who affected = the > extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time and = care=20 > over their toilette as their female counterparts." (Pointer using = James=20 > Boswell - and others - as a source.) > > Suzi > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 17:56:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALuMd9026166 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:56:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ALu91U027769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:56:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALsuTp049382; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:54:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALssVM064828; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:54:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AKM2Mc080656 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:22:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.ce5.e0d9bef (41811) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:21:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elegant courtlife of Frederik V To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09ee4a44-cb81-4c3b-a9d9-18acb4b39c51 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461C07F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/10/2007 2:32:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: There was a beautifull catalog to the exhibition wich i baught off cause, and i think i have to buy some more to my friends. Can we get one? Not from you...but the museum or something... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 17:58:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALwOp9026228 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:58:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ALwB6I009186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:58:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALvYBU049800; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:57:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALvX5Q067011; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALvUFu066964 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:57:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.253.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.253]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HbOLA-0004de-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:57:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <006f01c77bb8$713c13b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <006f01c77bb8$713c13b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:58:19 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=52% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce7810ed-b614-49af-bb5e-52d007828ddd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461C0873.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I and my actors use that too. Stein's theatrical makeup used to =20 (probably still does, but I bought mine some time ago--I don't get to =20= act much and so it has lasted a long time!) make a very nice water-=20 base pancake foundation, and a lot of the foundation makeup now being =20= sold in cosmetics shops for ordinary use not unlike that. The Stein's =20= was a solid that you wet with water and then applied with a sponge; =20 this later commercial makeup is more like a cream that goes on with a =20= sponge and dries like a cool powder. It stays cool on the face, which =20= is a BIG advantage over the greasepaint (the theater stick). It also =20 holds other applied makeup such as rouge, eye shadow, eye liner, =20 etc., very well. And yes, comes off with water instead of cold cream. =20= You can get it in a lot of shades including very pale. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Apr 10, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, =20= > plus it > washes off with water. Have you ever used this? > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-=20 > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:26 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men =20 > in makeup > > > Thanks a lot Suzi, > Its also because i bike a lot every day at my job, getting arround =20 > to my > clients, and gets quite tanned in the face, wich doesnt match =20 > reenacting > 18th century. > But i wondered what they used in their faces for makeup, powder =20 > alone, would > > not hold very long............. > I use a theater stick, wich i take out in a sponge, and adds this =20 > to my > skin, then i use a powder, on top rouge and sometimes a black mouche. > Colonial Williamsburg has the worlds most wonderfull white powder =20 > wich is > perfumed, i wished they made a deodorant with that perfume, its =20 > heavenly! > I dont use lipstick. > In september i am going to a 2 days event in Bayreuth. Having a =20 > danse soir=E9 > in the princess house friday evening, a picknick to the nearby castle > garden, saturday and in the evening we hired the prince suites in =20 > the old > baroque theater, hearing Purcels King Arthur. I just thoaght it =20 > would be > nice, if all the gentlemen would dare to wear makeup that > evening................. > When i get home from this, ill post you a lot of pictures to see. > And i am preparing to update my costumes for this event. I just =20 > finished a > jacket, wich ill wear to the yellow embroidered waistcoat, this i =20 > would use > for the picknic. then the Tzar Allexander suit for the opera, i have > finished the waistcoat with the silver spangels. The danse soir=E9 =20 > ill wear my > > light blue satin suit with the silver bobbin lace. > My trunk is going to be quite heavy.............. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men =20 > in makeup > > >> At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: >>> Dear Saragrace, >>> I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a =20 >>> banyan. >>> Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing =20 >>> a full >>> dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear =20 >>> a banyan. > >>> You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and =20 >>> breeches, but >>> Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he =20 >>> could have >>> worn nothing underneath :-) >>> Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt =20 >>> have to wear > >>> a wig, but its missing in this outfit. >>> >>> Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would =20 >>> exhamine >>> very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i =20 >>> am on, if > >>> men wore makeup! >>> I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose =20 >>> colloured >>> cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the =20 >>> portraits of the > >>> kings. >>> Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, =20 >>> and they >>> therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th =20 >>> century, but > >>> they did PERIOD >>> >>> Bjarne >> >> Bjarne >> >> "Fashions in Makeup" by Richard Corson, and "The Art of Beauty" =20 >> by Sally > >> Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, "British dandies who =20 >> affected the > >> extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time =20 >> and care >> over their toilette as their female counterparts." (Pointer using =20 >> James >> Boswell - and others - as a source.) >> >> Suzi >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 17:59:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALxaq7026259 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:59:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ALxMqT018556 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:59:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALwLe6049910; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:58:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALwIAa067692; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ALMoli036383 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:22:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AE61A250338; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:15:13 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:23:09 -0700 Message-ID: <006101c77bb6$704f0680$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <000a01c77b78$e35c08a0$2fbfa6d8@pavilion> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ff2895c-5248-4284-9d33-8b89d6c54242 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461C08BA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO American Girl had clothes for real girls, just like the doll clothes. I don't know if they still do, though. My daughter is 21 now. She wants = better costumes. AND she even took a sewing class, so I "help" now, instead of having to do the whole thing! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Sue Clemenger Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:03 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes That's entirely possible--it had the look of a really good costume--nice design, and whoever sewed it did a nice job as well (and fabric = choice--some sort of crisp cotton in a non-inappropriate color). I'm not really = familiar with what's available, commercially, for children, though, so I couldn't = say for sure. I've heard of the whole "American Girl" thing (dolls and = books and all), but that's about it. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > Was she perhaps wearing an "American Girl" dress, Felicity = reproduction? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On > Behalf Of Sue Clemenger > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:40 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes > > > Speaking of historical influences, when I was at brunch with friends = this > past Sunday, we saw the cutest little girl (7 or 8), wearing the most > adorable child's version of an 18th century gown, complete with = petticoat. > The rest of the family was in ordinary "good clothes," and she was in = her > best dress. (Nicely done, too, from what I can tell without being an expert > in the time....) > --Sue _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 18:20:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AMKXF5026941 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:20:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AMKKjJ001466 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:20:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AMJiQo053004; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:19:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AMJhCN086408; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:19:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3AMJew9086311 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.131] (sjs-130-65-37-131.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.131]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3AMJYav014830 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:19:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <006f01c77bb8$713c13b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <006f01c77bb8$713c13b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <03D41B93-D8C3-4D17-AFF7-59AC443AF6E5@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:19:32 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a8aa1979-f30d-4b75-bd39-ed5d6d1417a2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461C0DA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, > plus it > washes off with water. Have you ever used this? > Sharon I love the Grimas water-based "face paint" from the Netherlands (I mail-order it from a shop in the UK). It's very versatile, and very sturdy. Best of all, jump in the shower and a bit of soap or shampoo takes it off completely. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 19:34:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ANY1Tr029221 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:34:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ANXlGF018645 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:33:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ANXHnw061776; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:33:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ANX6Dw042902; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ANX2WH042802 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:33:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CANa6G0bUSnINdGdsb2JhbACQBCY Received: from [80.43.67.234] (port=2100 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HbPpY-000Nc9-FH for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:32:56 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070411002953.03715a60@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:32:53 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup In-Reply-To: <03D41B93-D8C3-4D17-AFF7-59AC443AF6E5@bovil.com> References: <006f01c77bb8$713c13b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <03D41B93-D8C3-4D17-AFF7-59AC443AF6E5@bovil.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d8621be-b875-4ddf-9fa4-37a4fe4b73c3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461C1EDC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 23:19 10/04/2007, you wrote: >On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: >>I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, >>plus it >>washes off with water. Have you ever used this? >>Sharon > > >I love the Grimas water-based "face paint" from the Netherlands (I >mail-order it from a shop in the UK). It's very versatile, and very >sturdy. Best of all, jump in the shower and a bit of soap or shampoo >takes it off completely. > >andy Andy Is that Fox's Makeup shop? I used Leichner for Kryolan for TV shoots, but nowadays most makeup girls use modern makeup for everyday clothes, and Dermablend for some more complicated blending. It's a while since I bought anything so need to update my box. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 19:49:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ANn5pv030537 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:49:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ANmqCY028212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:48:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ANlqnI063521; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:47:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ANlmfG052665; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ANlit1052545 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:47:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.131] (sjs-130-65-37-131.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.131]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ANlbav022165 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070411002953.03715a60@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <006f01c77bb8$713c13b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <03D41B93-D8C3-4D17-AFF7-59AC443AF6E5@bovil.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070411002953.03715a60@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:47:35 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77ad0e5c-30e7-4569-9726-c0e38f580419 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461C2264.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 10, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 23:19 10/04/2007, you wrote: >> On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: >>> I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, >>> plus it >>> washes off with water. Have you ever used this? >>> Sharon >> >> >> I love the Grimas water-based "face paint" from the Netherlands (I >> mail-order it from a shop in the UK). It's very versatile, and very >> sturdy. Best of all, jump in the shower and a bit of soap or shampoo >> takes it off completely. >> >> andy > > > Andy > > Is that Fox's Makeup shop? 1st Night in Milton Keynes. They've got an online shop at . They were recommended to me by the Grimas wholesaler. They've got the whole line (water and grease). Only thing Grimas makes that's crap is their stage blood; the rest is great. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 20:01:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B01alL032496 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:01:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B01NuV029756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:01:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B00w9r064768; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:00:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B00uHD061315; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B00qZx061258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:00:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l3B0DNRf028334 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:13:23 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Wal-Mart fabric Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:09:53 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <200704070155.l371tdtH062844@net.indra.com> <200704100030.11964.cathy@thyrsus.com> <007e01c77b9e$ae7e9910$0202a8c0@Duncan> In-Reply-To: <007e01c77b9e$ae7e9910$0202a8c0@Duncan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704102009.53990.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 378b45ea-6ea7-4f75-9775-9f5fbc0d52ae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461C2553.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tuesday 10 April 2007 2:32 pm, Ailith Mackintosh wrote: > I live in NE Ohio, roughly 60 miles south and slightly east of Cleveland. Interesting. Thanks! -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 20:15:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B0FukR000575 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:15:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B0FhgV001389 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:15:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B0FC8Y065934; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B0FAjs069958; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:15:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B0F7gm069865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:15:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (71-214-249-6.desm.qwest.net [71.214.249.6]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B0F1iJ005450 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:15:02 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200704101800.l3AI08wg036029@net.indra.com> References: <200704101800.l3AI08wg036029@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <1416C27C-5D59-44A7-8304-587C66A4E683@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost]CostumeCon, now OT librarian in-jokes Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:14:58 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/3064/Tue Apr 10 10:25:23 2007 on smtpauth.cybermesa.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ead2508d-8657-46db-affa-f018a2314a49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461C28AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've obviously been attending the *wrong* conferences! [Although the "poster committee" for Technical Services did place a "Warrior Librarians" poster in the hall outside my door....] Mary, I love your tag line. Suzanne LeSar Acquisitions Coordinator Parks Library, Iowa State University On Apr 10, 2007, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Suzanne said:... and if I ever go to another CostumeCon, I'll be > sure to bring Conan the Librarian along, too! (Where else could I > get away with that?) > > You could do it at any library conference in North America, believe > me, we'd adore it! > > Mary > > Periodicals Department > Stark County District Library > 715 Market Ave. N. > Canton, Ohio 44702-1018 > > (330)452-0665 x 5750 mcarey@starklibrary.org > > We don't have issues... we have subscriptions. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 21:08:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1888t002415 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:08:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B17tCs015814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:07:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B16ev0071204; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:06:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B16bHG001311; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:06:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B16X4w001253 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l3B16Vc08722 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:06:31 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. Message-ID: <1176253591.461c3497e0687@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:06:31 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c4876e85-629c-4d8e-89c3-b1dec55870d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461C34EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > For ribbon, the standard is just too tiny. There must be some sort of > pleating machine or sewing machine attachment for pleating in 1cm - 3 > cm fan & box pleats in grosgrain, satin or velvet face ribbons. They > do exist for industrial ribbon manufacturing. How 'bout at the home > or small dressmaker's shop scale? > Know of one? It would be just the thing. > Dreaming of powertools in Silicon Valley, Why, yes! I have one! Let me find a picture. Here! What it looks like and how to use it! http://vintagesewing.info/1920s/26-fcm/fcm-07.html It's seriously cool. Emma http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 21:38:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1ccN3003578 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:38:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B1cPMi024776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:38:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1bcV8074797; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1baqb020507; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:37:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1bY0p020397 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:37:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.131] (sjs-130-65-37-131.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.131]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B1bRav029931 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1176253591.461c3497e0687@webmail02.unl.edu> References: <1176253591.461c3497e0687@webmail02.unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:37:25 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f0787f0-4837-427c-82e1-0295e7d377fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461C3C11.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 10, 2007, at 6:06 PM, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: >> For ribbon, the standard is just too tiny. There must be some >> sort of >> pleating machine or sewing machine attachment for pleating in 1cm - 3 >> cm fan & box pleats in grosgrain, satin or velvet face ribbons. They >> do exist for industrial ribbon manufacturing. How 'bout at the home >> or small dressmaker's shop scale? >> Know of one? It would be just the thing. >> Dreaming of powertools in Silicon Valley, > > Why, yes! I have one! Let me find a picture. Here! What it looks > like and how > to use it! http://vintagesewing.info/1920s/26-fcm/fcm-07.html I've got a ruffler foot just like that. It can do maybe 1cm ruffles. Nothing big. For serious ruffles, you want a Johnson Ruffler. Neither, though, really creates pleats, and neither is great on heavy- ish material. Every ruffler foot I've seen would choke on grosgrain ribbon, and a Johnson Ruffler would probably need a reinforced ruffler arm. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 21:45:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1jRTv003840 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:45:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B1jDSu016262 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:45:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1h3fw075376; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:43:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1gxb6024133; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:42:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.218]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1gu3r024045 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.25]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:42:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:42:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:42:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:42:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:42:26 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 01:42:51.0008 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7341800:01C77BDA] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Eyelets or Buttons- X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b2b9e86-e756-4a87-a569-c2be165183d5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461C3DA9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Is there a cord = running through the center holes or is there a cord wrapped around the = "button"? http://www.wga.hu/art/r/raphael/2firenze/1/31doni2.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 21:45:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1jita003849 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:45:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B1jVDc027093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:45:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1h5JY075378; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:43:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1grSs024076; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B1gnBM024025 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l3B1gm609204 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:42:48 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleated trim question. Message-ID: <1176255768.461c3d186d3c4@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:42:48 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <1176253591.461c3497e0687@webmail02.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2ee9e82-c345-4a9b-9462-cbbd2e5b6179 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461C3DBB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Neither, though, really creates pleats, and neither is great on heavy- > ish material. Every ruffler foot I've seen would choke on grosgrain > ribbon, and a Johnson Ruffler would probably need a reinforced > ruffler arm. I used mine to pleat a medium-weight damask for a bed ruffle. Just straight knife pleats, but nice and even, 1/2" deep. I don't think mine would have a problem with grosgrain. But it's an elderly Singer attachment, designed for elderly Singer machines that can sew through darn near anything. Emma http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 22:36:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B2aB8P005436 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:36:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B2ZvAw004418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:36:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B2Z2hV082081; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:35:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B2YvW8058540; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B2Ytjq058505 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so27039nzf for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:34:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OdDix5z/vC9CicDZWnud5OfURoFqV7fUXmKKoUmcAESPablnBz0Y/XB8rq7rikP3jdkVAxR4CDawtnK0aiE+ydPv1aRNvM4tFVK7jr6+8a2FQZqXE7Mu2nSy/8MjRAj+BKRqg4Qetezrbs6ahr6ewFatLxWL8HESyKrSZ8lSrYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OtRyk++HtiLpsqeCzgRO8P3LP0zAxiaNaQD3IS/mZqSZLIgoOOxUjUfvno9GBn8t43TbBmP9BVRaodRmgmjZX39gm1++PJzaLLOpQ7wOzTKMynCNdb2VZ53/inanOAx2X9C+DGXtsuoATiIMybyCGpnL+WvWQt6ypOzjL7UQWno= Received: by 10.114.12.9 with SMTP id 9mr58177wal.1176258894686; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.130.18 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:34:49 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/ now men in makeup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a267da5-0724-4784-8247-8b31521e753c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461C498D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For stage lighting I tell my danseurs (www.danselibre.org) to hit the theatrical makeup dept. Most of our performances dont require that intense coloring - we're in normally lit ballrooms & public spaces or even a gym at Stanford, so I send them to the mall to find workout makeup. Clinique has good stuff, relatively comedeogenic (no zits!) and stays in place for a 4 hour dance rehearsal, performance or an evening of dancing. I suspect most of the women dont even bother with theatrical anymore. We just use theatrical application rules with workout fashion makeup. (I think the guys do theatrical... so they dont have to visit the Maybeline & Revlon counters. ) We're sticking to the 19th & early 20th century fashions. I've never tried to do 18th c makeup styles with fashion makeup. Curious to hear how the experiments go, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com >I and my actors use that too. Stein's theatrical makeup used to >(probably still does, but I bought mine some time ago--I don't get to >act much and so it has lasted a long time!) make a very nice water- >base pancake foundation, and a lot of the foundation makeup now being >sold in cosmetics shops for ordinary use not unlike that. The Stein's >was a solid that you wet with water and then applied with a sponge; >this later commercial makeup is more like a cream that goes on with a >sponge and dries like a cool powder. It stays cool on the face, which >is a BIG advantage over the greasepaint (the theater stick). It also >holds other applied makeup such as rouge, eye shadow, eye liner, etc., very well. And yes, comes off with water instead of cold cream. >You can get it in a lot of shades including very pale. >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 22:43:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B2hJsD005754 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:43:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B2h5MD027407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:43:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B2gYYQ083128; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B2gXCX063767; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:42:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B2gUHu063666 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:42:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.c3b.116cc5b8 (29673) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:42:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:42:20 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eyelets or Buttons- To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29830a47-4398-4d54-a34c-c7e4782f2811 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461C4B39.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/10/2007 9:45:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wickedfrau@msn.com writes: Anyone know for sure if these are eyelets or buttons? Is there a cord running through the center holes or is there a cord wrapped around the "button"? ***************** Looks like fancy eyelets with the cord running thru the center. And the gown looks like watered silk. What a lovely painting. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 10 23:45:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B3jS4q007636 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:45:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B3jFZP027288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:45:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B3ihLa089178; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B3ieBb003293; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:44:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us (spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.6.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B3iZ7F003244 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:44:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us) Received: from bcimpnoz0qs8p0 (pri-nat-155-ppp.suffolk.lib.ny.us [209.139.109.155]) (Authenticated sender: bchamber@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us) by spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14331FC84A for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:44:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Beth Chamberlain" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost]CostumeCon, now OT librarian in-jokes Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:44:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <1416C27C-5D59-44A7-8304-587C66A4E683@cybermesa.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: Acd7zo6khWR1mUXsS1qNdECyLavMLAAHKw6g Message-Id: <20070411034428.F14331FC84A@spyder.suffolk.lib.ny.us> X-SuffolkWeb-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-SuffolkWeb-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-SuffolkWeb-MailScanner-From: bchamber@suffolk.lib.ny.us X-Spam-Status: No X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e6146a99-ac80-4c31-beb5-b85ec653d494 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461C59CB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I must be at the wrong conferences too. Although, last year I did get to talk about what the well dressed librarian would have worn in 1906 as a part of a centennial celebration for the American Association of Law Libraries. My friends were quite amused that I managed to talk about costumes at a law library conference. Beth Chamberlain Head of Technical Services Gould Law Library, Touro Law Center Central Islip, NY -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost]CostumeCon, now OT librarian in-jokes I've obviously been attending the *wrong* conferences! [Although the "poster committee" for Technical Services did place a "Warrior Librarians" poster in the hall outside my door....] Mary, I love your tag line. Suzanne LeSar Acquisitions Coordinator Parks Library, Iowa State University On Apr 10, 2007, at 1:00 PM, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Suzanne said:... and if I ever go to another CostumeCon, I'll be > sure to bring Conan the Librarian along, too! (Where else could I > get away with that?) > > You could do it at any library conference in North America, believe > me, we'd adore it! > > Mary > > Periodicals Department > Stark County District Library > 715 Market Ave. N. > Canton, Ohio 44702-1018 > > (330)452-0665 x 5750 mcarey@starklibrary.org > > We don't have issues... we have subscriptions. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 00:10:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B4AIMD008244 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:10:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3B4A4Ga009507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:10:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B49Jl7091472; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:09:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B49HBD018045; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:09:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4a.socket.net [216.106.88.193]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3B49EUU018002 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:09:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CB93438B7E for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:09:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eyelets or Buttons- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:09:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85313841-0593-40e2-88ab-227683e3bf4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461C5F9C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Perhap this will help http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/yourgarb/2005/Anea2005.htm You can enlarge this picture a bit http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/yourgarb/2005/raphael1506.jpg or you can enlarge this one real well http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Raffael_036.jpg De -----Original Message----- Anyone know for sure if these are eyelets or buttons? Is there a cord running through the center holes or is there a cord wrapped around the "button"? http://www.wga.hu/art/r/raphael/2firenze/1/31doni2.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 08:46:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BCko9L021262 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:46:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BCkarX025797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:46:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BCk2FV064170; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:46:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BCju98023150; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BCjqSY023047 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 06:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.106]) by bay0-omc1-s23.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:45:47 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:45:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:45:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [75.44.56.156] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Eyelets or Buttons- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:45:45 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 12:45:47.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[53F6B0B0:01C77C37] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c229e39e-840d-40ae-b072-ebb8d0979fd7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461CD8AC.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Those don't look like eyelets to me, at least sewn with just thread. If they were there would be dimple-like tension indents in the fabric around each one and there isn't. They do look like disks of some sort (buttons would approximate). It also looks to me as though there is lacing cord through the centers. Laurie >From: "Saragrace Knauf" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: "h-costume" >Subject: [h-cost] Eyelets or Buttons- >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:42:26 -0700 > >Anyone know for sure if these are eyelets or buttons? Is there a cord >running through the center holes or is there a cord wrapped around the >"button"? > >http://www.wga.hu/art/r/raphael/2firenze/1/31doni2.jpg >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 10:16:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BEFlDI023938 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:16:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BEFXV8030252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:15:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BEEnb8094125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BEEf8P096039; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BEEbTh095827 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:14:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704111414.l3BEEbTh095827@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070411141431013003df1ie>; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:14:31 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:14:25 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie influences on fashion - shoes In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43effdc5-0922-443c-8860-9c05d3aa8987 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461CED85.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 11:24:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BFO0D9025793 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:24:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BFNk32012738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:23:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BFHxDY026306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:17:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BFHupW061395; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:17:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BFHpg6061255 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:17:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1179CCB1B2 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:17:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <461CFC1C.9020405@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:17:48 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eyelets or Buttons- References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2c8a28a-62f8-46e7-b471-e7148fd9a131 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461CFD82.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 14:23:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BINP1b004024 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:23:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BINCL6031177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:23:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BIK1ON054987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:20:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BIJshg041056; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:19:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BIJn04040896 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.d58.69b9755 (57317) for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:19:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:19:41 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Eyelets or Buttons- To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e0cfd11-476e-4499-98fc-587be31dd755 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461D2790.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/11/2007 8:48:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, laswa@hotmail.com writes: They do look like disks of some sort (buttons would approximate). It also looks to me as though there is lacing cord through the centers. ************* That's what I meant. Like fancy grommets...sorta. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's called Canadian smocking. http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadia= n.php=0AIt goes by other names as well, as this page will tell you. It is i= ncredibly consumptive but its well worth it. It took me a good couple of ho= urs to grasp how it's done; I am left handed and have to mentally invert in= structions like this. I only wish that I could document its use to the 16th= c. Best as I can figure its exclusively 19th or better. I've seen it used = in several Elizabethan-era movies lately, though.=0AThat sounds like a knit= ting technique, Bjarne? Or did she manipulate it liek this after making the= flat knitting up? Once you have the rhythm of this stitch, it goes very qu= ickly. It becomes addictive and one starts to want smocking up everything j= ust to put the new toy to use. :-)=0A=0AKathy=0A =0AErmine, a lion rampant = tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, sli= pped and leaved vert=0A(Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lion's head e= rased gules.=0A=0AIt=92s never too late to be who you might have been.=0A-G= eorge Eliot=0ATosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of = knowledge. http://www.sengoidelc.com/node/131=0A=0AI love the sleeves. How = did you do that?=0ASharon=0A=0AThanks for posting Kathy.=0AShe is very swea= t in her fine costume.=0AI remembered one of my studyers, who went to the d= esign school same time as =0Ame, she made a knitted jacket, in machine knit= , where she also plaited the =0Along sleaves like you did with the puffed s= leaves. It looked so elegant. =0ATook her hours to make, as i remember.....= ........=0A=0ABjarne=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 14:53:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BIrDkp004916 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:53:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BIr07k008128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:53:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BIqPrY060653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:52:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BIqNFR072040; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:52:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BIqJGZ071850 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:52:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070411185213.YTKU10943.fep30.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:52:13 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.137]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070411185213.IDPH1370.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:52:13 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c77c6a$9bfc9db0$8943a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <006f01c77bb8$713c13b0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <03D41B93-D8C3-4D17-AFF7-59AC443AF6E5@bovil.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:52:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.67.137] at Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:52:11 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d966101-4ecc-4d1e-a1d0-34bb3a173e47 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461D2E8C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My make up stick is also water and sope removable. I use Kryolan Tv paint stick. I have used this stick many times til now, and i still have half the ammount left. I use this as a base, on top of this i use the same Kryolan transparent powder, then i paint my cheaks with red, and adds my eyebrows with a liner in brown, not black and last i stick on a mouche. Then i use a lot of Lavender water and a touch of Bergamot................... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew T Trembley" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup > On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: >> I use a water based makeup, which I find is less heavy on the skin, plus >> it >> washes off with water. Have you ever used this? >> Sharon > > > I love the Grimas water-based "face paint" from the Netherlands (I > mail-order it from a shop in the UK). It's very versatile, and very > sturdy. Best of all, jump in the shower and a bit of soap or shampoo > takes it off completely. > > andy > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 14:59:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BIxPTK005122 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:59:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BIxCec001314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:59:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BIwpBp061528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:58:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BIwnMT077894; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:58:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BIwjV0077775 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:58:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pHfxQf/xdkmlqkK3CE37T8Mo0RDPjyWaUfFHFS20excv5OdoiKqeyygRYByj5dxa; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.167.49.223] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Hbi1g-0001Pv-FY for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: <00c401c77c6b$b883f8b0$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <739433.17239.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking (was: Re: Childrens costumes) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:00:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd489517cdfc3d43febef2e68dec6c3fd73da8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.49.223 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bffe2702-0d96-4930-9f38-cbadbf237c1d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461D3000.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's called Canadian smocking. http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php It goes by other names as well, as this page will tell you. It is incredibly consumptive but its well worth it. It took me a good couple of hours to grasp how it's done; I am left handed and have to mentally invert instructions like this. I only wish that I could document its use to the 16th c. Best as I can figure its exclusively 19th or better. I've seen it used in several Elizabethan-era movies lately, though. (snip) Kathy I'm finding a couple of Italian portraits that look as if this might have been how the sleeves were done, only from the back. I think I've actually seen one that has the latticework look to it, but I'm not finding it. I'll keep looking. http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of lattice smocking. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 15:09:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BJ9QhG005404 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:09:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BJ9DqA022008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:09:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BJ8gGc063133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:08:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BJ8fhT087120; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BIhbp0062994 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 12:43:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070411184326.WXVM1033.fep34.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:43:26 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.137]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070411184326.OWI20303.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:43:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c77c69$61736030$8943a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <739433.17239.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Childrens costumes Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:44:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.67.137] at Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:43:24 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72a93bd4-0822-4545-9219-6bfd71bae1f2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461D3259.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That sounds like a knitting technique, Bjarne? Or did she manipulate it liek this after making the flat knitting up? Once you have the rhythm of this stitch, it goes very quickly. It becomes addictive and one starts to want smocking up everything just to put the new toy to use. :-) She had the knitter make her strips of knit, and then she braided the strips and made a flat piece wich she then cut out to a sleave. She had to invisible stitch all the braided parts together, wich took her very long time. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 16:07:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BK7lDG007466 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:07:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BK7XKk024946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:07:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BK6KGR071278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BK6Hna039435; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BK6BoN039326 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:06:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29759 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:00:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:00:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] MC&T vol. 3 announcement X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 06968377-df28-4527-ae37-3a2872f77323 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461D4006.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Munro -- The Finishing of English Woollens, 1300-1550 by John Oldland -- Poverty and Richly Decorated Garments: A Re-Evaluation of Their Significance in the Vita Christi of Isabel de Villena by Lesley K. Twomey -- Set on Yowre Hondys: Fifteenth-Century Instructions for Fingerloop Braiding by Elizabeth Benns -- Tiny Textiles Hidden in Books: Toward a Categorization of Multiple-Strand Bookmarkers by Lois Swales and Heather Blatt -- She Hath Over Grown All that Ever She Hath: Childrens Clothing in the Lisle Letters, 1533-40 by Melanie Schuessler ... and a bunch of book reviews. I think a number of medievally minded costumers and fiber enthusiasts will find something of interest in here! I'd also like to note we have one h-cost member among the authors (Melanie Schuessler) and several other people known for their re-enactment / reconstruction work (Elizabeth Benns and Lois Swales). Other names will be recognizable to people familiar with studies in this field, or those who have gone to the Medieval Congresses at Kalamazoo and Leeds, where many of these papers had their origins. The book is available directly from the publisher, Boydell & Brewer: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832917.HTM ... or through many online sellers such as Amazon. Prices and discounts may vary. ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 16:11:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKB26c007588 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:11:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BKAnIY026986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:10:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BKA7hq071777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:10:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKA67D043062; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:10:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BK7m9j040863 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:07:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29801 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:02:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:02:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing & Textiles 3, ordering X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56463649-c167-4437-a1a7-cfe307d73a2e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461D40C9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Postage in North and South America is $5.95 for the first book and $2 for each additional book. I was given only dollar amounts; there is probably a separate offer for our European friends that I can get on request. If you are interested in this, please e-mail me privately (not to the list please) and I will send you an order form with the discount offer. The discount is for h-cost members ONLY and is not to be passed to other lists. However, if you want to join with a few friends and order several together under your own name to save a little on shipping, I think that would be OK. Just don't pass the code to anyone else, and please don't post it anywhere; we had a very bad experience with that a couple of years ago. Thanks again to the members of this list, for your interest and your help over the last few years. ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 16:16:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKGg17007803 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:16:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BKGTAx022686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:16:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BKFswY072793 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKFq0o048750; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKFnQV048613 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:15:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E270CB27D for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:15:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <461D41F4.40609@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:15:48 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking References: <739433.17239.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <00c401c77c6b$b883f8b0$0200a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <00c401c77c6b$b883f8b0$0200a8c0@boris> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf57cfac-d77b-43b6-b671-4019b025b7e3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461D421D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 16:38:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKchAJ008490 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:38:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BKcUEg013788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:38:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BKbteg075479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:37:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKbrWI067987; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from aethelwulf2.jatol.com (aethelwulf2.jatol.com [64.38.40.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKblDR067911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:37:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from formfunc@formfunction.org) Received: from cpanel by aethelwulf2.jatol.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HbjZW-0005z9-KY for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:37:42 -0500 Received: from 24.216.120.37 ([24.216.120.37]) by www.formfunction.org (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:37:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20070411153742.xw1jj8alopsgc4kk@www.formfunction.org> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:37:42 -0500 From: formfunc@formfunction.org To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - aethelwulf2.jatol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32002 32002] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - formfunction.org X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Eyelets or Buttons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c14bfa0b-88c9-406f-9219-1ffc1204de0f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461D4746.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It seems worth mentioning that there have been archaeological finds =20 from this general time period of actual grommets/metal eyelets. =20 Granted, the ones I know of were found in London, but since London (no =20 offense intended!) was a bit of a fashion backwater at the time, it =20 seems at least reasonable to me theorize, on seeing something that =20 looks like a metal grommet on a fashionable portait, that you actually =20 are seeing a metal grommet! Geoff Egan's "Material Culture in London in an Age of Transition" =20 (c1450-c1700) describes the following on page 53: Copper alloy 229: ...late 15th/early 16th century... Diam 13mm; consists of two =20 opposed convex sheet rings, a smaller one (Diam 11mm) with a tubular =20 extension on the back which has been inserted through the center of =20 the other and the end bent over to fix it in place (rather in the =20 manner of a rivet); now-black coating on both sides; traces of leather =20 survive. 230: ...c1550-c1650 As 229 Lead/tin 231: ...c1500-c1550 Worn; D-shaped, overall approximate Diam 13 x =20 12mm; pair of opposed, tear-like forms flank the central hole, beading =20 along sides; stylized floral motif on the flat side; two rivets. Egan also points back to "Dress Accessories c1150-c1450" pp 227-8, fig =20 142, for a similar but simpler version of 231, dated to the late 14th =20 century. Here's a rather crappy scan of the illustration: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/img045.jpg Though it seems to me that the cross-section illustrations don't =20 really match the text description, so I'm not sure which is more =20 accurate. Granted, these probably aren't (as far as we know) from women's =20 clothing, especially 229, but still. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 16:49:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKnauN008882 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:49:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BKnMxO025273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:49:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BKmxdY077258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:49:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKmto3078102; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:48:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BKjtKn075238 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 14:45:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=L0XwdPuaWecO4YgsCyuny1zV4CqEIeRXDCp87j5cun0JwXS/n3QTT1C3nTHS6QST; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.167.49.223] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HbjhN-0008L2-7a for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:45:49 -0400 Message-ID: <00fb01c77c7a$b0c4f2a0$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <739433.17239.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com><00c401c77c6b$b883f8b0$0200a8c0@boris> <461D41F4.40609@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:47:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48321a48d26ac2f64771d57d15d680f2c410ec827ca34601a1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.49.223 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f0f86b7f-322f-46d1-96e7-f49c92a5e1b3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461D49D3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Carmen Beaudry wrote: >=20 >=20 >> http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of=20 >> lattice smocking. >=20 > That's not a valid link. Do you recall the title and artist? > Dawn sigh....try this one: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html =20 Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi by Bronzino Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 17:11:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BLB9YZ009454 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:11:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BLAuMJ013052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:10:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BLALB3080246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BLAFSh096884; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:10:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BLAAlL096767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:10:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hbk4y-000790-CZ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:10:12 -0500 Received: from 160.36.154.221 ([160.36.154.221]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:10:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20070411171012.qwntkz40rhgkkcs0@www.goldsword.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:10:12 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking References: <739433.17239.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com><00c401c77c6b$b883f8b0$0200a8c0@boris> <461D41F4.40609@reddawn.net> <00fb01c77c7a$b0c4f2a0$0200a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <00fb01c77c7a$b0c4f2a0$0200a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2765a39f-0d79-42ab-a587-32410aade10d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461D4EE0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Carmen Beaudry : >> Carmen Beaudry wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of >>> lattice smocking. >> >> That's not a valid link. Do you recall the title and artist? >> Dawn > > sigh....try this one: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html > Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi by Bronzino or this link http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg do you mean the sleeve heads? I've wondered about them. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 18:30:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BMUHMW011535 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:30:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BMU3fj008192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:30:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BMTYIc091392 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:29:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BMTS8B062151; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:29:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BMTOib062012 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:29:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.18]) by bay0-omc1-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:29:19 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:29:19 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.234.232 by BAY133-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:29:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.234.232] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070411153742.xw1jj8alopsgc4kk@www.formfunction.org> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Eyelets or Buttons Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:28:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:28:14 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Apr 2007 22:29:19.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8737430:01C77C88] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90e0058a-ffd2-4de9-b54c-c670a7b40cbf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461D616B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I really does make more sense that they are metal eyelets. There = doesn't seem to be any sign of attachment of the ones on the dress - = unless the little black marks are thread to hold it down. =20 Thanks! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: formfunc@formfunction.org=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:37 PM Subject: [h-cost] Re: Eyelets or Buttons It seems worth mentioning that there have been archaeological finds =20 from this general time period of actual grommets/metal eyelets. =20 Granted, the ones I know of were found in London, but since London (no = =20 offense intended!) was a bit of a fashion backwater at the time, it =20 seems at least reasonable to me theorize, on seeing something that =20 looks like a metal grommet on a fashionable portait, that you actually = =20 are seeing a metal grommet! Geoff Egan's "Material Culture in London in an Age of Transition" =20 (c1450-c1700) describes the following on page 53: Copper alloy 229: ...late 15th/early 16th century... Diam 13mm; consists of two =20 opposed convex sheet rings, a smaller one (Diam 11mm) with a tubular =20 extension on the back which has been inserted through the center of =20 the other and the end bent over to fix it in place (rather in the =20 manner of a rivet); now-black coating on both sides; traces of leather = =20 survive. 230: ...c1550-c1650 As 229 Lead/tin 231: ...c1500-c1550 Worn; D-shaped, overall approximate Diam 13 x =20 12mm; pair of opposed, tear-like forms flank the central hole, beading = =20 along sides; stylized floral motif on the flat side; two rivets. Egan also points back to "Dress Accessories c1150-c1450" pp 227-8, fig = =20 142, for a similar but simpler version of 231, dated to the late 14th = century. Here's a rather crappy scan of the illustration: = http://www.formfunction.org/temp/img045.jpg Though it seems to me that the cross-section illustrations don't =20 really match the text description, so I'm not sure which is more =20 accurate. Granted, these probably aren't (as far as we know) from women's =20 clothing, especially 229, but still. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 18:36:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BMa5wX011674 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:36:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BMZq9C021276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:35:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BMZS8B092101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:35:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BMZQ4S066956; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3BMZMm5066815 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:35:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jr0218@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 53355 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2007 22:35:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:To:Message-Id:Content-Type:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=hOCnasZ69ru+ngc2pUNG6kvDV0iZvVQKx/GrX+SZtSnAlMDY+YP0KD0RPozBjQYkpg5S1HAPACrqeJonWD+4ersvCRbnyJNaenhxnN3Wx2T10p8kJWvYonyEW6F4ing6HnW1OpC7FgU2XVqfxpVAdf0XlMXLUasw8L8V3UdCRBg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?71.139.170.5?) (jr0218@sbcglobal.net@71.139.170.5 with plain) by smtp112.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2007 22:35:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9rPxHY8VM1ks1lxTQ_tEJqJJZJDJ7pw6vqyIVBBgqwqDZrCQADER5dfaUoQKQu2QG2bYn40bdw-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: h-costume Message-Id: From: "Lawrence Kincaid Jr." Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 15:35:19 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] vivian westwood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56aee9ab-f905-47b2-b0f9-93bbc0b19cca X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461D62C8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yesterday I saw a Vivian Westwood collection at the de Young in SF, CA. This is a big show with lots of cloths. It was very shocking. I think that her outrageous Punk period gave her the flamboyance that shows in almost everything she designs. The shoes have a clumpy comic book look (Crumm). Most of the items have an exaggerated look only to blow the mind not to make women look fine and handsome. She uses slashing of the fabric in a Renaissance way; this is good. Costumers for stage and screen try to do what the script calls for; beautiful or dowdy et-cetera; for example, I think that the series, "Sex in the City" which had at least 20 or 30 of the worlds top designers supplying Pat Fields whose main concern was to make the ladies look great and beautiful, sexy and not use the same item twice. The Monolo Blahnik shoes are beautiful in a different class from Westwoods'. There may be just one Westwood gown in SITC, but she is, so not the one to have designed for that series; hers stuff was to off the wall for it. Westwood gets the credit for re-introducing the corset to the world of high fashion circa 1980, but re-enactors were making corsets at the Dickens Fair here in the late seventies. The same thing was probably going on in the UK. The "Rocky Horror Picture Show" had the first corset in this modern period that I saw and i am sure that westwood was not the costumer, thats 1975 in England where she was probably exposed to it. So was there anyone there in the artistic bohemian crowd making corsets before the Tim Curry movie? I am going to go see the museum show again this friday. I'll try to keep an open mind. Larry Kincaid Jr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 19:48:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BNm1Ga014413 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:48:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BNlmkU014310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:47:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3BNlDqF001962 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BNl7HT019711; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:47:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3BNl2ug019630 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:47:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.157] (sjs-130-65-37-157.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.157]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3BNkwav012511; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <80D22A41-CC99-499D-A5E9-BFB1B156BB6E@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume From: Andrew T Trembley Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:46:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Con 25 photos: Have I missed anything? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 648cd84b-3076-4c18-8758-4b6861fb69ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461D73A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've been keeping track of the photo galleries that were posted. So far, I've got: Don McClane Kelli "Maethoriel" John O'Halloran Loren Have I missed any others? andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 20:10:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3C0A3A5015204 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:10:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3C09oOn018825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:09:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3C09DD3004419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3C09CKw034716; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3C098So034684 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:09:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30746 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:03:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:03:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Con 25 photos: Have I missed anything? In-Reply-To: <80D22A41-CC99-499D-A5E9-BFB1B156BB6E@bovil.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e32f645e-1188-4958-b0e1-23a1767418f4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461D78CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 11 Apr 2007, Andrew T Trembley wrote: > I've been keeping track of the photo galleries that were posted. Thank you, Andy! Did anyone who was at my lectures get any decent photos of me in my lecture clothes, or for that matter of my companion Don in his teal-colored wool cote? I have no good pictures of either of us in these outfits, and it seems we were off the radar for everyone so far who has posted pictures from the con. Of course, we were tucked away in the lecture room on Saturday, and I changed out of costume at lunchtime. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 21:52:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3C1qolS018844 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:52:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3C1qbhW009783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:52:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3C1oElC014377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:50:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3C1o2ev095307; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:50:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3C00NpB028989 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:00:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so329220pyb for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:00:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SQxRsrtqS+uFkUHtZ62+e+jt2e35u1kF1JJXuw/OQpkQ2ZBCvxqBMdAxfS4m6sWb1FyN62Fc4WonCRX3oo3xNu0z3mipwHLdbL38gnoLAlK2W1FkPogkj1Q9qCQJz9IsG8dmgxcB+YGB7TO/CS3imCptQoloW/DQ19eGt2A2CP4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tz8a9heBmwT5wUPaTCRgflYV8H4vX5+5MRgFyZ9rUfghTLcksFqQqYCUshEESluczAG5JzLBEEAiAWONK9GfXJiscYXyVMXtUM2HDEGwDKCnxEbiY8Po6dMc8tI12Lxk0Yv7dbkmm4GwHl4jveESHkGFnqcf0umg0BecTbhEarw= Received: by 10.65.191.7 with SMTP id t7mr2550704qbp.1176336022930; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.59.5 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0704111700v4e63714cqdc095002a9a383e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:00:22 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] vivian westwood In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 73b7e0f0-9736-4548-8065-4d22914354f4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461D90E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Larry, I'm sorry you felt that way. I went on March 17th and got to be on a docented toru, so I got a different view of the designs. You MUST see this exhibit if you like 20th Century clothing. Early in her career, her partner told Ms. Westwood, "Go to the V&A and do some research." After that, historic costume influenced much of what she designed and you'll see lots of influences you recognize and some that are more subtle. I grabbed the opportunity to go with the Costume Society of America when those tickets were made available to the Greater Bay Area Costumers Guild, and it was fabulous. We met before the museum opened and got a docented tour through the exhibit without having to look through the general public. It was fantastic! I don't know if it's available every Saturday or not, but at 1:00 there was a PowerPoint lecture by a different docent on Vivienne Westwood's history - well worth the hour. It also gives you a bit of time to get off your feet after walking through the exhibit. After the lecture I went back to the exhibit and walked around some more and discovered things I hadn't noticed the first time through. Yes, much of what she designed was for shock value (she designed rubber dresses for her first store for Pete's sake) and her clothes aren't always flattering. But she had a plan with what she did and, within her world, it works. Many of her oldest designs and many of her most recent suits/dresses wouldn't work in the business world - Madonna-like bras (pre-dating Madonna) build into the bodices and bustles built into the skirts, but the detailing and styling is fabulous. These were a homage to The New Look, make the hips and bust big to show the tiny waist, but the shock value of the big butt changes the homage to something else. Westwood's understanding of what a fabric will do when you pinch it right There rather than 2 inches lower is magical. San Francisco is the last stop for this tour, and the only stop on the West Coast of the US. I was more impressed by this show than I expected. I still see some of the designs in my head, and how I'd like to emphasize the historic influences in the clothes. I really recommend this show to anyone who can possibly get here. The website is http://www.thinker.org/deyoung/index.asp and the exhibit will be here until June 10. I plan to go at least once more before June. LynnD On 4/11/07, Lawrence Kincaid Jr. wrote: > > > Yesterday I saw a Vivian Westwood collection at the de Young in > SF, CA. > This is a big show with lots of cloths. > It was very shocking. > I think that her > outrageous Punk period gave her the flamboyance that shows in almost > everything she designs. The shoes have a clumpy comic book look > (Crumm). > Most of > the items have an exaggerated look only to blow the mind not to make > women look fine and handsome. > > She uses slashing of the fabric in a Renaissance way; this is good. > > Costumers for stage and screen try to do what the script > calls for; beautiful or dowdy et-cetera; for example, I > think that the series, "Sex in the City" which had at least 20 or 30 > of the worlds top designers supplying Pat Fields whose main concern > was to make the ladies look great and beautiful, sexy and not use the > same item twice. The Monolo Blahnik shoes are beautiful in a > different class from Westwoods'. There may be just one Westwood > gown in SITC, but she is, so not the one to have designed for that > series; hers stuff was to off the wall for it. > > Westwood gets the > credit for re-introducing the corset to the world of high fashion > circa 1980, but re-enactors were making corsets at the Dickens Fair > here in the late seventies. The same thing was probably going on in > the UK. The "Rocky Horror Picture Show" had the first corset in this > modern period that I saw and i am sure that westwood was not the > costumer, thats 1975 in England where she was probably exposed to it. > So was there anyone there in the artistic bohemian crowd making > corsets before the Tim Curry movie? > I am going > to go see the museum show again this friday. I'll try to keep an open > mind. > > > Larry Kincaid Jr > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 11 23:37:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3C3b631022102 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:37:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3C3aqFD011323 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:36:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3C3YtmV024857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:34:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3C3Ymer053188; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5.stmo2.socket.net [216.106.26.209] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3C3Yikc053131 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F2F4376AD for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:34:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:35:28 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20070411171012.qwntkz40rhgkkcs0@www.goldsword.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19967912-1625-4b37-9a2c-5e85d453ad3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461DA955.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg -----Original Message----- Quoting Carmen Beaudry : >> Carmen Beaudry wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of >>> lattice smocking. >> >> That's not a valid link. Do you recall the title and artist? >> Dawn > > sigh....try this one: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html > Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi by Bronzino or this link http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg do you mean the sleeve heads? I've wondered about them. susan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 08:29:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CCTABV002657 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:29:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CCSuaT001614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:29:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CCSDPK085514 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:28:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CCS8Q0032778; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CCS7G3032757 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so605081anc for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:28:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AAss0lv7Siw+eA+aZHfwDiovXim5nXvWjZUzTWdv37x+BczZV5K/y8c7YM/zsu8Z4OixMHiYSIIFR27QCXHbL/HqfXH3BJDfRfhbWJuth7GrtWEXZRpAnnBLpgAqeheJ2C+EwKO+ZjD0Ckw9YisFtiu0lCDKBJCNic/XnWtjztY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LLg1gl6okvHTKGtzPJopz5R9JStJrxpO1NnZB33CNGRVYAq1KeHznPiH8qbtqXB18vpoSwW4aytvkEAIsl3kH+YaxSdaxamfeWjYhvAP35q4uvkKqVjVlrr+uTney8j2kyoeo6mS7yEaGsfkqxb7QyD+EOwtyM1RIu7mvo2emY0= Received: by 10.100.127.1 with SMTP id z1mr1266085anc.1176380886635; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.93.10 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 05:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660704120528w4798a609va8e52ee8899135fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:28:06 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] MC&T vol. 3 announcement In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 48242e6f-cfcb-48bc-bd8f-ab626d745b69 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461E2608.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mari > > [Feel free to forward this announcement to other lists.] > > > Volume 3 of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, the journal I co-edit with Gale > Owen-Crocker, will be released any day now. > > Here's the table of contents for this volume: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 09:16:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDGeu8003970 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:16:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CDGQim010486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:16:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CDFlFi092208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:15:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDFjxj062684; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:15:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDFfJN062577 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:15:54 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77D04.B2FC900C" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing & Textiles 3, ordering X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:12:51 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC5D4@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC5D4@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing & Textiles 3, ordering Thread-Index: Acd8dYo97hAXv4EjTRyNp/9Feu6kXgAjrxDj References: From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2007 13:15:54.0248 (UTC) FILETIME=[B328B880:01C77D04] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fab2ca9f-fb13-45b1-b546-45bf88cc030c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461E312A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D04.B2FC900C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, =20 I would like to reply privately to this. My tool bar had a reply & a = reply to all on it. I hit reply, but I think this will still go to the = whole list. Being still rather a Luddite with this, I'm not sure what to = do. =20 Thanks for any assistance, Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Robin Netherton Sent: Wed 4/11/2007 5:02 PM To: Historic Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing & Textiles 3, ordering This message is NOT to be forwarded to other lists. Repeat NOT. As noted in my earlier announcement, Volume 3 of Medieval Clothing & Textiles, the journal I co-edit with Gale Owen-Crocker, will be released any day now. I have been given the authority to extend a special "friends" discount = to certain select groups. Because the h-cost community has been so helpful = to me in the editing of this journal, I figure I can include h-cost in our circle of "friends." The discount for Volume 3 is 25% off the list price of $55, for a sale price of $41.25. The discount also applies to Volume 1 (list $47.95, = sale $35.96) and Volume 2 (list $47.95, sale $35.96). Postage in North and South America is $5.95 for the first book and $2 for each additional book. I was given only dollar amounts; there is probably a separate offer for our European friends that I can get on request. If you are interested in this, please e-mail me privately (not to the = list please) and I will send you an order form with the discount offer. The discount is for h-cost members ONLY and is not to be passed to other lists. However, if you want to join with a few friends and order several together under your own name to save a little on shipping, I think that would be OK. Just don't pass the code to anyone else, and please don't post it anywhere; we had a very bad experience with that a couple of = years ago. Thanks again to the members of this list, for your interest and your = help over the last few years. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D04.B2FC900C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D04.B2FC900C-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 09:29:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDTbM8004312 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:29:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CDTOqP024053 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:29:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CDRuip093856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDRtNe071544; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:27:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDRpQo071434 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:27:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:27:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:27:46 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.228.214 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:27:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.228.214] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:27:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 06:27:18 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Apr 2007 13:27:46.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BC82E70:01C77D06] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f899b9b1-588e-4cbf-878f-59afd222608a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461E3434.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What are you looking at on this picture?....I don't see anything that = looks like smocking. I see a lot of slashing....?? Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: otsisto=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking = http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 09:31:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDVK1O004384 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:31:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CDV4dj023614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:31:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CDTlj9094289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:29:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDTi9Q073120; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:29:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDTeGN073040 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:29:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00865 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:24:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:24:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Medieval Clothing & Textiles 3, ordering In-Reply-To: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC5D4@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 77677262-2e87-4cc6-99e0-7661d4ce7e0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461E3498.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Responded privately. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 09:32:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDWeCZ004431 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:32:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CDWQiX025272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:32:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CDUT7W094464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDUSiT073706; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:30:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CDRaMN071298 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 07:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.243.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.243] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HbzKp-0002Pm-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:27:35 -0400 Message-ID: <461E41C3.8080009@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:27:15 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=32% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abf192af-3f56-4f3b-9785-ca98af78c76c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461E34EA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm going to assume that you meant to suggest this portrait as an example of Canadian smocking, but I don't think it is. It's possible that it's slashing-and-pinking, but in fact on close inspection it looks more like embroidery meant to look like slashing-and-pinking. Or it may be that this is an illusion created by the artist trying to represent slashing backed by cloth-of-gold. Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg > > -----Original Message----- > Quoting Carmen Beaudry : > > >>>Carmen Beaudry wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>http://www.wga.hu/support/viewer/z.html This looks like the back of >>>>lattice smocking. >>> >>>That's not a valid link. Do you recall the title and artist? >>>Dawn >> >>sigh....try this one: http://www.wga.hu/index1.html >>Portrait of Lucrezia Panciatichi by Bronzino > > > or this link > http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg > > do you mean the sleeve heads? I've wondered about them. > > susan > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 10:29:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CET32Y006085 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:29:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CESn1d009825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:28:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CERWHa004447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:27:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CERUr4022030; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:27:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CERPj2021934 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:27:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id EDBBA2E8179 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:22:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 7AF562E8168 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:22:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00584 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:27:17 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] vivian westwood Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 09:26:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] vivian westwood Thread-Index: Acd8ibTtqn3uHx+xRI6UlrBRUlcNPgAg88mA References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 37e0909c-0756-4bb8-9b69-df29b082bc1e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461E4222.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 Most fashion changes have started at "street-level" during the past twenty years and most of the big-name designers, many who started noticing what people were wearing, much of it coming where young creative people were living, from the theatre, movies, or in probably more cases than said designers are willing to admit: reinactors or RenFaires. Then they give it their twist, put it on the runway, get the media coverage, and take the credit for reintroducing said corset, or whatever to the masses. I suspect that Charles Worth, who traditional took and got the credit, for introducing the super-wide hoop skirt, and then the the bustle, actually got those ideas from elsewhere. The crinoline actually came out in the 1850's and Worth did get a lot of inspiration from Renaissance and Elizabethan portraits. Cindy Abel =09 Yesterday I saw a Vivian Westwood collection at the de Young in SF, CA. This is a big show with lots of cloths. =20 It was very shocking. I think that her outrageous Punk period gave her the flamboyance that shows in almost =20 everything she designs. The shoes have a clumpy comic book look =20 (Crumm). Most of the items have an exaggerated look only to blow the mind not to make women look fine and handsome. =20 She uses slashing of the fabric in a Renaissance way; this is good. =20 Costumers for stage and screen try to do what the script =20 calls for; beautiful or dowdy et-cetera; for example, I =20 think that the series, "Sex in the City" which had at least 20 or 30 of the worlds top designers supplying Pat Fields whose main concern was to make the ladies look great and beautiful, sexy and not use the same item twice. The Monolo Blahnik shoes are beautiful in a =20 different class from Westwoods'. There may be just one Westwood =20 gown in SITC, but she is, so not the one to have designed for that series; hers stuff was to off the wall for it. Westwood gets the credit for re-introducing the corset to the world of high fashion circa 1980, but re-enactors were making corsets at the Dickens Fair here in the late seventies. The same thing was probably going on in the UK. The "Rocky Horror Picture Show" had the first corset in this modern period that I saw and i am sure that westwood was not the costumer, thats 1975 in England where she was probably exposed to it. =20 So was there anyone there in the artistic bohemian crowd making corsets before the Tim Curry movie? I am going to go see the museum show again this friday. I'll try to keep an open mind. =20 Larry Kincaid Jr _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 15:00:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CJ0V9c015524 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:00:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CJ0H8R019912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:00:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CIwflQ054589 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:58:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CIwXc6096170; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:58:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5.stmo2.socket.net [216.106.26.209] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CIwTZN096079 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:58:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4FE1C37696 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:58:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:59:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <461E41C3.8080009@faucet.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89debb9c-813a-4512-8ee7-da86cabc425e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461E81C1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Those are spangles and not cloth of gold. And though Canadians like to claim the smocking technique, it was done way before Canada was Canada. I vaguely remember seeing it once on a extent 1700s French stomacher. De -----Original Message----- I'm going to assume that you meant to suggest this portrait as an example of Canadian smocking, but I don't think it is. It's possible that it's slashing-and-pinking, but in fact on close inspection it looks more like embroidery meant to look like slashing-and-pinking. Or it may be that this is an illusion created by the artist trying to represent slashing backed by cloth-of-gold. Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 16:39:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CKd0kZ018916 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:39:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CKckKI018310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:38:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CKbxq8071200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:37:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CKbqdd089423; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CEOLq7019023 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:24:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m158.in-tch.com [216.166.191.158]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l3CEA6e18309 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:10:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002701c77d0f$898dc6e0$9ebfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:33:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f43cebf1-e97f-4446-a4e9-a0dfc513b87f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461E98D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I see a lot of slashing....?? > > Sg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: otsisto > To: Historical Costume > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:35 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking > > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 17:04:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CL4vDK019689 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:04:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CL4hwh010574 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:04:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CL4NLg078380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:04:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CL4Kap015335; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:04:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai05.charter.net (mtai05.charter.net [209.225.8.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CIF8mQ054101 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:15:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa09.charter.net ([10.20.200.161]) by mtai05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070412181458.JHRB1417.mtai05.charter.net@aa09.charter.net> for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:14:58 -0400 Received: from Maxwell ([24.205.12.33]) by aa09.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070412181457.BIRZ26943.aa09.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:14:57 -0400 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:15:13 -0800 Message-ID: <006101c77d36$e81c1910$210ccd18@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd3oNxt6GKh/8bFSV2asOAUFpARfAFlXzcg Importance: Normal Reply-By: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:00:00 -0800 X-Message-Flag: Follow up X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b47d6f4-6cb1-4a1f-b29d-27ccd7521004 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461E9EEB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thursday, April 12th @ 10:00pm Thursday, April 12th @ 1:00am Friday, April 13th @ 10:00am Friday, April 13th @ 8:00pm Saturday, April 14th @ 8:00am Sunday, April 15th @ 7:00pm =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 17:14:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLEKOm019997 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:14:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CLE68a006486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:14:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CLDL4k079847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLDHGP024244; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLDBsb024040 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:13:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAEc9HkbUSnILk2dsb2JhbAAYj24BAQEBBw4HBh2HUg Received: from [80.43.67.234] (port=1812 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hc6bG-000NeR-QE for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:13:02 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070412221219.03705eb0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:13:12 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" In-Reply-To: <006101c77d36$e81c1910$210ccd18@Maxwell> References: <006101c77d36$e81c1910$210ccd18@Maxwell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3075fcbf-b895-4777-8282-f72d7823d935 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461EA11E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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All times are >Eastern & Pacific. > >Thursday, April 12th @ 10:00pm > >Thursday, April 12th @ 1:00am > >Friday, April 13th @ 10:00am > >Friday, April 13th @ 8:00pm > >Saturday, April 14th @ 8:00am > >Sunday, April 15th @ 7:00pm > > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 17:26:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLQk2w020424 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:26:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CLQWkq022144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:26:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CLQ7T8081776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:26:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLQ65H036066; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5.stmo2.socket.net [216.106.26.209] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CIoseA088814 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 12:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A71B837616 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:50:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:51:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61d99f6e-e84a-4280-8ebc-8488f25db397 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461EA408.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you look at the dress it is not slashing. It could be strips of velvet woven together but I am more inclined to believe that it is lattice work. The embroidery (or small pinking) and the spangles are emphisizing the the woven look. http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg Please compare the first picture to the portrait's sleeve. I know that there are two other portraits out there that show the sleeves to have what looks like lattice work but I can't seem to remember which portraits, one was "Italian". De -----Original Message----- What are you looking at on this picture?....I don't see anything that looks like smocking. I see a lot of slashing....?? Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 17:27:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLR4Zc020434 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:27:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CLQoNk015996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:26:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CLQS5h081855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:26:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLQR1f036400; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:26:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CJP3GW021994 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:25:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l3CJO0GB019498 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:24:00 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l3CJO0rc019495 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:24:00 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:24:00 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD? In-Reply-To: <200703221818.l2MIIYBK089591@net.indra.com> Message-ID: References: <200703221818.l2MIIYBK089591@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:26:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:24:00 +0200 (CEST) www.domenebutikken.no: Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78bfdd03-5ec2-434a-ac7a-f4f3c3e04c65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461EA41B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Status: RO Hi all! I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my question. :) Unfortunately I haven't been able to find much to support my friend's theory given that most of the vessels are so small, but I appreciate your thoughts. I also haven't been able to find the yahoo groups that deals with natural dyeing that someone mentioned, either I or the search engine at yahoo is wonky. So if anybody has a URL I would very much appreciate it! :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 17:30:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLUUG3020546 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:30:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CLUHhr006749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:30:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CLTpiP082313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:29:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLToEL039372; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:29:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLBTOr022441 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.43.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.43] helo=faucet.net) by pop-siberian.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hc6Zk-0000I7-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:11:28 -0400 Message-ID: <461EAE7F.5010303@faucet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:11:11 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3b83a47-f21d-4ca4-a96a-c7f7b3721382 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461EA4E9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I wasn't referring to the spangles, but to the pattern of longer and shorter lines, which looks like slashing and pinking, but I don't think it is. If you look closely, each line looks like it is embroidered on top of the fabric with metallic thread. I meant to suggest that this may in fact be the artist trying to depict slashes in the black that are backed by a metallic fabric. In any case, I don't think it is smocking, nor does it look like actual strapwork to me. Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: > Those are spangles and not cloth of gold. And though Canadians like to claim > the smocking technique, it was done way before Canada was Canada. I vaguely > remember seeing it once on a extent 1700s French stomacher. > De > > -----Original Message----- > I'm going to assume that you meant to suggest this portrait as an > example of Canadian smocking, but I don't think it is. It's possible > that it's slashing-and-pinking, but in fact on close inspection it looks > more like embroidery meant to look like slashing-and-pinking. Or it may > be that this is an illusion created by the artist trying to represent > slashing backed by cloth-of-gold. > > Melanie Schuessler > > > otsisto wrote: > >>http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 17:35:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLZPfd020704 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:35:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CLZCLM012485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:35:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CLYq0Y083072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:34:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLYphf043946; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CLXbsu042835 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hc6v8-0000zF-7X; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:33:34 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:33:34 -0400 Message-ID: <20070412173334.hbsschuch8ys884c@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:33:34 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking References: <461EAE7F.5010303@faucet.net> In-Reply-To: <461EAE7F.5010303@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 12b7d89a-62c5-4ea5-a927-2846dadc963f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461EA610.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO OK. I'll ask the ignorant question ... What *is* Canadian Smocking and how is it different from any other kind of smocking? susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 18:24:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CMOosa022434 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:24:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CMOZeg026555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:24:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CMNELS090215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:23:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CMNAgj087093; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CMN5Yl087019 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:23:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AF7E12F90384; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:15:26 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in makeup Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:23:27 -0700 Message-ID: <004101c77d51$31a5a230$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <000801c77bb6$e062bca0$0d14a150@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9cf871b7-e4af-4287-9b80-9a8d00fbedcc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461EB1A3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What level of SPF sun block are you wearing? If you use a good, strong = one, perhaps you wouldn't tan so much. By the way, I love the new red/pink dress you are making. Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 2:26 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in = makeup Thanks a lot Suzi, Its also because i bike a lot every day at my job, getting arround to my = clients, and gets quite tanned in the face, wich doesnt match reenacting = 18th century. But i wondered what they used in their faces for makeup, powder alone, = would not hold very long............. I use a theater stick, wich i take out in a sponge, and adds this to my = skin, then i use a powder, on top rouge and sometimes a black mouche.=20 Colonial Williamsburg has the worlds most wonderfull white powder wich = is=20 perfumed, i wished they made a deodorant with that perfume, its = heavenly! I dont use lipstick. In september i am going to a 2 days event in Bayreuth. Having a danse = soir=E9=20 in the princess house friday evening, a picknick to the nearby castle=20 garden, saturday and in the evening we hired the prince suites in the = old=20 baroque theater, hearing Purcels King Arthur. I just thoaght it would be = nice, if all the gentlemen would dare to wear makeup that=20 evening................. When i get home from this, ill post you a lot of pictures to see. And i am preparing to update my costumes for this event. I just finished = a=20 jacket, wich ill wear to the yellow embroidered waistcoat, this i would = use=20 for the picknic. then the Tzar Allexander suit for the opera, i have=20 finished the waistcoat with the silver spangels. The danse soir=E9 ill = wear my light blue satin suit with the silver bobbin lace. My trunk is going to be quite heavy.............. Bjarne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Christian VII's banyan, /Frederik V/now men in = makeup > At 20:39 10/04/2007, you wrote: >>Dear Saragrace, >>I am sure you have seen many portraits with gentlemen wearing a = banyan.=20 >>Its a kind of dressing gown or morning gown. In stead of wearing a = full=20 >>dressed outfit, a man being at home could have visitors and wear a = banyan. >>You usually wore the banyan with your shirt, waistcoat and breeches, = but=20 >>Christian VII's banyan was closed entirely in the front, so he could = have=20 >>worn nothing underneath :-) >>Usually a cap follwed with the banyan, so the gentleman didnt have to = wear >>a wig, but its missing in this outfit. >> >>Then i also looked at portraits, thoaght that this time i would = exhamine=20 >>very closely, a disgussion we have had on an 18th century list i am = on, if >>men wore makeup! >>I still believe they used makeup, such pale skin and such rose = colloured=20 >>cheaks and lips, i am still convinsed after i studyed the portraits of = the >>kings. >>Its the german lummieres members, they dont dare to wear makeup, and = they=20 >>therefore hold to the fact that men didnt wear makeup in 18th century, = but >>they did PERIOD >> >>Bjarne > > Bjarne > > "Fashions in Makeup" by Richard Corson, and "The Art of Beauty" by = Sally > Pointer, both state that men wore rouge, "British dandies who affected = the > extremes of Continental fashion were known to take as much time and = care=20 > over their toilette as their female counterparts." (Pointer using = James=20 > Boswell - and others - as a source.) > > Suzi > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 19:03:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CN3wRq023842 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:03:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CN3j4R002609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:03:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CN3M1g095275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:03:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CN3LXg018574; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:03:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CN3Hea018477 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:03:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.157] (sjs-130-65-37-157.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.157]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CN3Bav024526; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:03:11 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, Historical Costume , F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, GBACGCostumers@yahoogroups.com From: Andrew T Trembley Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:03:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] I'm keeping a running list... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7f0782a-0e37-40eb-a942-fb87b4bc42d1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461EBAD1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ...of Costume-Con 25 photo albums and websites in the Costume-Con livejournal community. If yours isn't there, post it, or let me know and I'll add it. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 19:35:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CNZnwj024977 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:35:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3CNZald016001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:35:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3CNYtTa099634 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:34:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CNYpfV040984; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3CNYm7b040945 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:34:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so694587wra for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:34:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EyIBB3kNefO8BWQG5dr2iqD/ZctZPY1VDQOe61S4Dh6HoiBlwVP/ErSOzgcev3r12wSHHxS7O9nV4vu5FckfLldvdbm4EgrEIrqCFhbCHrUkhhJOscSFOTrgJm8OFPq+9sGjiX8wyEAg2vWqO6DVehzRcEr+fmT240yNGraGdko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HzKtIWM8J2qAeDwyUWY8Vm6DWFCgcs9zIfj9DRAoZlmwtDjTNDug7Ikm+tndJ3W8TVO5wsvZ9Kd7JreXx008ZXfoohgbKcLCDKjWTArNwKfcMZ+IMAJkfioWs+7f88MyAx8ybalcVk6jZEvHujTYh50VMIq3KBXbIBcbyZiERrI= Received: by 10.114.183.1 with SMTP id g1mr880375waf.1176420887228; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.130.18 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:34:47 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Vivian Westwood X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 69b7bc5b-d119-47ed-9887-971f63977503 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 461EC248.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >San Francisco is the last stop for this tour, and the only stop on the >West Coast of the US. I was more impressed by this show than I >expected. I still see some of the designs in my head, and how I'd like >to emphasize the historic influences in the clothes. I really >recommend this show to anyone who can possibly get here. The website >is http://www.thinker.org/deyoung/index.asp and the exhibit will be >here until June 10. I plan to go at least once more before June. >LynnD Anyone for an h-costume midday excursion to the Vivian Westwood show at the DeYoung? Play hookey from work! It would amuse me vastly to go Wednesday 9 June and head back out of the city by rush hour. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 20:10:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D0ApNd026131 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:10:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D0AbIH022601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:10:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D08QLw003957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D08PO7062583; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D08Lfc062485 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:08:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:08:34 -0400 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C77D5F.E07AC300" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD? Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:08:03 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC5DB@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC5DB@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD? Thread-Index: Acd9SVTKGoQm9tosSKaxxWSnqu+TEwAFnkr2 References: <200703221818.l2MIIYBK089591@net.indra.com> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2007 00:08:34.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[E09450D0:01C77D5F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5815c4e6-8b58-487a-a3bf-567cf41fb101 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461ECA7D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D5F.E07AC300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! =20 NaturalDyes@yahoogroups.com =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Ingrid G. Storr=F8 Sent: Thu 4/12/2007 3:24 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dyeing pots 350-575 AD? Hi all! I just wanted to thank everyone who replied to my question. :) Unfortunately I haven't been able to find much to support my friend's theory given that most of the vessels are so small, but I appreciate your thoughts. I also haven't been able to find the yahoo groups that deals with natural dyeing that someone mentioned, either I or the search engine at yahoo is wonky. So if anybody has a URL I would very much appreciate it! :) Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - = www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - = www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D5F.E07AC300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C77D5F.E07AC300-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 20:17:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D0H19Z026308 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:17:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D0GmfU026776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:16:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D0GC91004746 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D0GBEU067354; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.225.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D0G7u8067269 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:16:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704130016.l3D0G7u8067269@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070413001602b1400nquooe>; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:16:02 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:16:00 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070412221219.03705eb0@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <006101c77d36$e81c1910$210ccd18@Maxwell> <7.0.1.0.2.20070412221219.03705eb0@suziclarke.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf578a9e-630b-40d2-bdb8-cdbeb6165c07 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461ECBF0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 05:13 PM 4/12/2007, you wrote: >At 20:15 12/04/2007, you wrote: >>Check out your friends in their Tudor garb tonight. Tune into Style >>Network. Sadly, these days 10:00 is past my bedtime. :-) But I've got my DVR set to record it! Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 20:27:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D0RJNs026630 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:27:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D0R57n023493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:27:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D0L6nt005391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:21:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D0L6Mw070533; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:21:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D0L27H070491 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB25F5402DE; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:13:25 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] re: Vivian Westwood Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:21:26 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c77d61$ad1e1cc0$0400a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cin Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:35 PM To: h-cost Subject: [h-cost] re: Vivian Westwood >San Francisco is the last stop for this tour, and the only stop on the >West Coast of the US. I was more impressed by this show than I >expected. I still see some of the designs in my head, and how I'd like >to emphasize the historic influences in the clothes. I really >recommend this show to anyone who can possibly get here. The website >is http://www.thinker.org/deyoung/index.asp and the exhibit will be >here until June 10. I plan to go at least once more before June. >LynnD Anyone for an h-costume midday excursion to the Vivian Westwood show at the DeYoung? Play hookey from work! It would amuse me vastly to go Wednesday 9 June and head back out of the city by rush hour. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 21:23:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D1NjGd028626 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:23:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D1NVEZ004655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:23:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D1N1ZZ013923 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:23:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D1Mv5u011057; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:22:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D1Kleh009787 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:20:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so721894wra for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:20:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=gMXCuW4Vj3TsU3DrVB8ezwyCYEyWZZvkNYKDiNQjSDSspqVbpoXeP1mIHJfNnB2fQoIXWh2HJxQDJMQB3snHMPh25MFdgkCXlkJm8aY3DnyV7ekNrfX9jJLV9oRdtQFZ4dQNwYAyS+uSixSkckX23hmFqoMriHFxQfkv42drRMU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=G5VhJmvh6ZtLcjDmztnBQbclix7wpZIuWq/cpzdp4sNPnL6/PQNpEDPaxcaB0ewul8N513ldFOM/XxmY5oy4NvWRCnglU1Z0mNB1q0a7uRcvZWQ4iv9sZeH+IUsf1uw1gq/Hyk0mK4vlAP1w+t8xlEUl3JyQarZfHd71xRG6Az4= Received: by 10.114.169.2 with SMTP id r2mr885477wae.1176427246391; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.130.18 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:20:41 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Vivian Westwood show Wens 9 MAY X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc34b8e4-6c29-45e6-8ab7-27ca2d1e1c12 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461EDB93.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks, --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 21:52:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D1qqC7029640 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:52:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D1qcAj010402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:52:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D1pu9v017979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:51:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D1ptbg030843; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:51:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D1poQS030782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:51:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-221-234-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.221.234]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3D1pl2J030572 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:51:48 +1000 Message-ID: <00c101c77d6e$48eaa400$eaddf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <461EAE7F.5010303@faucet.net> <20070412173334.hbsschuch8ys884c@www.goldsword.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:51:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Disposition: X-PCToolsMIME: Updated by PC Tools Mime Parser 1.0.0.4 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e664b209-300e-49e9-8af4-c79d94ef643b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 461EE266.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking > > OK. I'll ask the ignorant question ... > > What *is* Canadian Smocking and how is it different from any other kind > of smocking? > > susan I had the same confusion until I looked at the website mentioned at the beginning of this thread http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php and found out it's actually what I've always seen described as Lattice smocking in English/Australian texts (this other name must be a north American thing) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.179) Database version: 5.07080 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 22:05:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D259UN030076 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:05:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D24ugn032111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:04:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D241R6019716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D23wWC038530; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:03:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D23rqe038440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-221-234-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.221.234]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3D23pum004538 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:03:52 +1000 Message-ID: <00e001c77d6f$f8579640$eaddf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:03:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Disposition: X-PCToolsMIME: Updated by PC Tools Mime Parser 1.0.0.4 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] knitted garters (when) are they period? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b69d581b-b377-4098-b958-7c372c80198a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461EE548.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO hello everyone, I'm planning to make a pair of cloth hose for 16th century wear but as I don't have the fabric for the hose themselves yet I thought I would start with the garters. Everyone I've seen wearing these hose seems to use leather garters but I can't afford to go out and buy that sort of thing at the moment so I thought of knitting some garters to hold up my hose. Does anybody know of evidence for knitted garters at any point in history but preferably the 16th century? I ask because at the moment I'm doing an experiment using cheap acrylic yarn that I had on hand (bought by my grandma a couple of years ago) and if knitted garters are period at all I will knit another set in wool, but if not I'll use the acrylic ones until I can replace them with leather. thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.179) Database version: 5.07080 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 22:19:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2JWVi030583 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:19:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D2JIpc026349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:19:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D2Ilcx021420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:18:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2Ifmi047450; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:18:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2Ibch047396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:18:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HcBMx-0001tG-RJ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:18:36 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:18:35 -0400 Message-ID: <20070412221835.v2zp5khnxpsssskk@www.goldsword.com> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:18:35 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking References: <461EAE7F.5010303@faucet.net> <20070412173334.hbsschuch8ys884c@www.goldsword.com> <00c101c77d6e$48eaa400$eaddf4dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <00c101c77d6e$48eaa400$eaddf4dc@user4712b7d135> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - audi.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - indra.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32003] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - goldsword.com X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/horde/imp/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/horde/imp X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: baa8c109-729f-4daa-9766-c18605b9cb88 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461EE8A6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Elizabeth Walpole : > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan B. Farmer" > >> >> OK. I'll ask the ignorant question ... >> >> What *is* Canadian Smocking and how is it different from any other >> kind of smocking? >> >> susan > > I had the same confusion until I looked at the website mentioned at the > beginning of this thread > http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php and found out it's > actually what I've always seen described as Lattice smocking in > English/Australian texts (this other name must be a north American > thing) Thanks! I've always heard it called Lattice Smocking too. susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 22:35:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2ZKYK031061 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:35:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D2Z6Yx017749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:35:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D2YiVI022967 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:34:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2YdVm056258; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2Y3uY055929 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:34:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m191.in-tch.com [216.166.191.191]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l3D2Jne17060 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:19:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000601c77d75$796423c0$bfbfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00e001c77d6f$f8579640$eaddf4dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitted garters (when) are they period? Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:43:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a3eefd3-438f-43de-ba65-86de32014290 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461EEC5B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think you'd be better off with cloth garters. I don't know of any extant knitted garters from the 16th century (nor any references to them, off the top of my head). You could make the cloth garters out of strips of fabric, or make your own--inkle weaving or some other type of narrow ware like tablet weaving (still a known technique in the 16th century, but not as popular as earlier, from what I've heard). Or perhaps a really wide strip of fingerloop braid, which would certainly be an appropriate technique. The Eleanor of Toledo remains had strips of fabric associated with her knitted silk stockings, but it is now held that those weren't garters as much as they were meant to hold her legs together for the actual burial. I seem to recall seeing garters that looked like fabric in some men's portraits, rather than leather. I've got some inexpensive garters for my 14th c. linen hose (made of bias-cut fabric). They're a simple, dyed twill, cotton ribbon. Eventually, I'll be making some using tablet weaving, though. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] knitted garters (when) are they period? > hello everyone, I'm planning to make a pair of cloth hose for 16th century > wear but as I don't have the fabric for the hose themselves yet I thought I > would start with the garters. Everyone I've seen wearing these hose seems to > use leather garters but I can't afford to go out and buy that sort of thing > at the moment so I thought of knitting some garters to hold up my hose. Does > anybody know of evidence for knitted garters at any point in history but > preferably the 16th century? I ask because at the moment I'm doing an > experiment using cheap acrylic yarn that I had on hand (bought by my grandma > a couple of years ago) and if knitted garters are period at all I will knit > another set in wool, but if not I'll use the acrylic ones until I can > replace them with leather. > thanks, > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 22:52:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2q3G3031577 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:52:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D2pott029033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:51:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D2p8YB024851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2p7oH065593; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2p455065517 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:51:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC02DCB533 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:50:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <461EF01C.50707@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:51:08 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costume-Con 25 photos: Have I missed anything? 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 22:55:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2t7tg031673 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:55:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D2srIl029865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:54:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D2s8mt025441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:54:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2s7dY067486; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:54:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D2s50V067409 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:54:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3688CB533 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:53:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <461EF0D7.40705@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:54:15 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" References: <006101c77d36$e81c1910$210ccd18@Maxwell> <7.0.1.0.2.20070412221219.03705eb0@suziclarke.co.uk> <200704130016.l3D0G7u8067269@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200704130016.l3D0G7u8067269@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d10086e7-d151-4983-880e-d8fbdf165445 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461EF0FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 12 23:02:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D32apM031919 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:02:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D32NlX031443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:02:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D31siE026328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:01:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D31r64072043; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai03.charter.net (mtai03.charter.net [209.225.8.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D31nkU071951 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:01:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa04.charter.net ([10.20.200.156]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070413030140.YZTZ1398.mtai03.charter.net@aa04.charter.net> for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:01:40 -0400 Received: from Maxwell ([24.205.12.33]) by aa04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070413030140.JWYE10594.aa04.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:01:40 -0400 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:01:56 -0800 Message-ID: <01a101c77d80$7d0f2960$210ccd18@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd9YmGJ8rhktRVeRG64VCtXHjM9JAAHSsSw Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200704130024.l3D0OFjj072601@net.indra.com> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 187a5995-9ed8-481d-95b2-195d04ff6892 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461EF2BF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> Is it going to air in the UK too Cat? If not, can I get a DVD? >> Suzi Everyone one's who's picture made it in, that includes you, will get a copy of the DVD once MJ has a chance to mail them. Only problem it will be US format.... so you'll have to borrow a machine that plays that format. To others who watched... some of the pictures go a bit fast, but almost everyone tapes now a days, so it's a matter of rewinding and enjoying at your own speed. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 00:06:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D46Do2001337 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:06:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3D4607B006754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:06:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3D45FPP034199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:05:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D45Cf1008634; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:05:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D459Q5008603 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:05:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l3D456b15304 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:05:06 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitted garters (when) are they period? Message-ID: <1176437106.461f0172dc415@webmail02.unl.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:05:06 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <00e001c77d6f$f8579640$eaddf4dc@user4712b7d135> <000601c77d75$796423c0$bfbfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <000601c77d75$796423c0$bfbfa6d8@pavilion> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e28d7bc5-1bee-4a55-b862-60d295f0aab8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461F01A8.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I can't comment on the use of knitted garters (we're told that the garter stitch is called that because it was used for garters--can anybody verify this?) but for 16th century I've used wide strips of bias-cut fabric, tied in a bow. The bias cut stretches enough the the garters were quite comfortable, and the big bows...felt right. I hasten to add that this wasn't planned; I thought my socks would stay up better than they proved to, when they didn't I had to improvise. cheap, easy, and it works. I can't provide documentation, but it seems at least as plausible as knitted acrylic garters. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 07:30:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DBUo60010454 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:30:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DBUboR005809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:30:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DBU77u094427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:30:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DBU69E041396; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from xan.moya.bigdumbdog.com (mail.bigdumbdog.com [209.42.230.190]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D3gbM2095706 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:42:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from djbates@bigdumbdog.com) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:32:22 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ADDITIONAL AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL Thread-Index: Acd9YjW3GCcdsUTyTSqk7GsgvJ46JAAGYVdQ From: "Donna J. Bates" To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: ADDITIONAL AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d7fc43ca-b9b9-423b-a442-75efcd91bf67 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461F69DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Mine was the Blackwork Sleeve, the Codpieces/Paned Slops and we were the seated couple in mostly black in the credits! I just about died when my husband called me at work and said the DVD showed up, I had him watch it and give me a rundown over the phone. Donna Bates www.fairewardrobe.com > >-----Original Message----- > Subject: [tvfilmcostuming] ADDITIONAL AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL >STYLEMAKERS" > >6 plays of the show so far on STYLE NETWORKS. Depending on ratings there may >be more. They are promoting this with on on-air promos and a press=20 > >The Tudors: Royal Stylemakers Special on Style Network. All times are >Eastern & Pacific. > >Thursday, April 12th @ 10:00pm > >Thursday, April 12th @ 1:00am > >Friday, April 13th @ 10:00am > >Friday, April 13th @ 8:00pm > >Saturday, April 14th @ 8:00am > >Sunday, April 15th @ 7:00pm > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 07:30:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DBUq1j010457 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:30:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DBUc7x008520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:30:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DBUEki094482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DBUEZJ041488; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:30:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D4C79U012395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:12:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from [209.249.181.77] (pool181-77.patriot.net [209.249.181.77]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l3D4C2wv026285 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:12:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <1176437106.461f0172dc415@webmail02.unl.edu> References: <00e001c77d6f$f8579640$eaddf4dc@user4712b7d135> <000601c77d75$796423c0$bfbfa6d8@pavilion> <1176437106.461f0172dc415@webmail02.unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Carol Kocian Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitted garters (when) are they period? Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:12:00 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e11b6abb-477c-41c8-8494-3da910f349e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461F69DE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 13, 2007, at 12:05 AM, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > (we're told that the garter stitch is called that because it was > used for garters--can anybody verify this?) I heard that too, however garter stitch can be found as the treatment for hand-knit stocking tops. I've heard the tops called welts and also garters, so I wonder if that's how garter stitch gets its name? -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 07:34:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DBYU98011015 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:34:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DBYGSW005255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:34:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DBXVqp095533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:33:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DBXUsx043938; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D7cbp5022374 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 01:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAILPHkbUSnIMdGdsb2JhbACQBgEl Received: from [80.43.67.234] (port=1281 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HcGMZ-000HGa-1R for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:38:31 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070413083629.036fcc58@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:38:41 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS In-Reply-To: <01a101c77d80$7d0f2960$210ccd18@Maxwell> References: <200704130024.l3D0OFjj072601@net.indra.com> <01a101c77d80$7d0f2960$210ccd18@Maxwell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ceb669d-c910-4019-a9db-3130d653b607 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461F6AB9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 05:01 13/04/2007, you wrote: > >> Is it going to air in the UK too Cat? If not, can I get a DVD? > >> Suzi > >Everyone one's who's picture made it in, that includes you, will get a copy >of the DVD once MJ has a chance to mail them. Only problem it will be US >format.... so you'll have to borrow a machine that plays that format. No problem - I have a multi-zone player - comes of having *too* many American friends! >To others who watched... some of the pictures go a bit fast, but almost >everyone tapes now a days, so it's a matter of rewinding and enjoying at >your own speed. Looking forward to seeing the programme. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 07:34:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DBYprD011081 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:34:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DBYbBp021230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:34:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DBSuZN093816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:28:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DBSnma040034; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:28:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D0OB9D072561 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:24:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ABE21A330064; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:16:34 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:24:35 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c77d62$1dceaf20$0400a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006101c77d36$e81c1910$210ccd18@Maxwell> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c432012-418e-438e-8156-28b8bbe1a40b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461F6ACD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Cool! I'm in it, just for a second. Dark green Elizabethan. Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Cat Devereaux Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:15 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" Check out your friends in their Tudor garb tonight. Tune into Style Network. =20 =20 The writer/producer did a wonderful job of getting as many folks as she could in the show. =20 -Cat- =20 -----Original Message----- Subject: [tvfilmcostuming] ADDITIONAL AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" 6 plays of the show so far on STYLE NETWORKS. Depending on ratings there = may be more. They are promoting this with on on-air promos and a press=20 The Tudors: Royal Stylemakers Special on Style Network. All times are Eastern & Pacific. Thursday, April 12th @ 10:00pm Thursday, April 12th @ 1:00am Friday, April 13th @ 10:00am Friday, April 13th @ 8:00pm Saturday, April 14th @ 8:00am Sunday, April 15th @ 7:00pm =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 08:44:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DCiO0D013715 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:44:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DCiBPx009987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:44:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DBUOK9094526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:30:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DBUN6F041637; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:30:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3D4WOOT022781 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:32:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04127 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:26:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 00:26:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS In-Reply-To: <01a101c77d80$7d0f2960$210ccd18@Maxwell> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 791870a0-0891-4334-8ef6-5df08cb64570 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461F7B1B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Cat Devereaux wrote: > To others who watched... some of the pictures go a bit fast, but > almost everyone tapes now a days, so it's a matter of rewinding and > enjoying at your own speed. I tuned in rather late and saw some unrelated segments, but then at the end, over the closing credits, were some re-enactor photos. Was there something earlier? If so, I'll tape on the replay. As for the photos at the end ... who's who? Is there a list somewhere? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 09:34:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DDYVFm015355 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:34:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DDYIgk017412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:34:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DDXGuM013848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:33:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DDXCut025536; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DDX9gO025456 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:33:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070413133305.XQTL1286.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:33:05 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.140]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id mdZ41W00U32JwDy0000000; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:33:04 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200704130024.l3D0OFjj072601@net.indra.com><01a101c77d80$7d0f2960$210ccd18@Maxwell> <7.0.1.0.2.20070413083629.036fcc58@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:33:00 -0400 Message-ID: <006001c77dd0$411911a0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acd9v+6u1trZpwu7RWeG2xej3XMNowAECBiA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070413083629.036fcc58@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=44% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f9dff0d-c501-4024-b451-7b0649ee54d9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 461F86DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I searched EVERYWHERE on my cable and was never able to find the show. Is it under another channel? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 3:39 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS At 05:01 13/04/2007, you wrote: > >> Is it going to air in the UK too Cat? If not, can I get a DVD? > >> Suzi > >Everyone one's who's picture made it in, that includes you, will get a copy >of the DVD once MJ has a chance to mail them. Only problem it will be US >format.... so you'll have to borrow a machine that plays that format. No problem - I have a multi-zone player - comes of having *too* many American friends! >To others who watched... some of the pictures go a bit fast, but almost >everyone tapes now a days, so it's a matter of rewinding and enjoying at >your own speed. Looking forward to seeing the programme. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/759 - Release Date: 4/12/2007 7:58 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 09:43:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DDhnmH015744 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:43:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DDhabe032358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:43:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DDgPZT015345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DDgN55032960; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:42:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DDgIwb032874 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m169.in-tch.com [216.166.191.169]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l3DDS4e22016 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:28:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001e01c77dd2$d47833c0$a9bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <00e001c77d6f$f8579640$eaddf4dc@user4712b7d135><000601c77d75$796423c0$bfbfa6d8@pavilion><1176437106.461f0172dc415@webmail02.unl.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitted garters (when) are they period? Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 07:51:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e9b75e7-bf0f-4586-ac87-ae575931333c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 461F8908.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You do see evidence of what we now call "garter stitch" in the sixteenth century, but I don't know that we have a. any evidence that it was *called* garter stitch *in the 16th century* or b. any evidence that it was *used* for "garters" at that time. ;o) I'd have to defer to those of you who specialize in later time periods than I, which is where I'd suspect that we find more info on the use of various knitted items for the lower limbs, as they become more common... --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Kocian" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitted garters (when) are they period? > > On Apr 13, 2007, at 12:05 AM, 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: > > (we're told that the garter stitch is called that because it was > > used for garters--can anybody verify this?) > > I heard that too, however garter stitch can be found as the > treatment for hand-knit stocking tops. I've heard the tops called > welts and also garters, so I wonder if that's how garter stitch gets > its name? > > -Carol _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 13:38:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DHcifU023735 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:38:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DHcVLI015644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:38:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DHbisG053663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:37:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DHbbj9059577; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai04.charter.net (mtai04.charter.net [209.225.8.184]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DHbVMa059385 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:37:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa06.charter.net ([10.20.200.158]) by mtai04.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070413173726.VYUC1421.mtai04.charter.net@aa06.charter.net> for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:37:26 -0400 Received: from Maxwell ([24.205.12.33]) by aa06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070413173725.KPWW1488.aa06.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:37:25 -0400 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:37:46 -0800 Message-ID: <024e01c77dfa$d5213dd0$210ccd18@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Thread-Index: Acd90xu4Yo9KjHSpS9eBsEIfADxFvwAJhygg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200704131342.l3DDgNYP032961@net.indra.com> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6fe0bdf0-b83d-4443-bf27-b541e5c6f866 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 461FC017.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm going to catch a couple of questions at once since I'm on digest... >>I tuned in rather late and saw some unrelated segments, but then at = the end, over the closing credits, were some re-enactor photos. Was there something earlier? There's another segment in the middle, plus details shots are used as examples in various spots like blackwork, codpieces, partlets and they = did one morph from that yellow runway dress into our of the group's Tudor outfits. >> If so, I'll tape on the replay. As for the photos at the end ... who's who? Is there a list somewhere? MK went though and credited everyone. No, they're not in order. >>I searched EVERYWHERE on my cable and was never able to find the show. = Is it under another channel? Style is normally under extended basic or extended high channels on = cable. Later if will probably air on E! and then on Showtime on Demand. But, everything is up to the whim's of the schedules. =20 It made the NY Times "must watch" list for yesterday though. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 15:07:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DJ7LtG027196 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:07:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DJ78MG028900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:07:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DJ5LLf067983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:05:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DJ5D9R043580; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:05:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DFmsAi048800 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:48:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1000214wxc for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:48:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=r8nkfcV2L5MV6PtnTxfJnkyHeLvxNqp//06kl2nbXj98GuzMN03iK7UkhINixjMWntc+DfnPGIFwBpdHln/dTI0GJS0mylcaVvixwWBL+0sheeL1WgQIbs5h0xR4P5MWTJ+/FJCUg3aI32BXw4SAyLCWT8VTjp8GCWeJKNK1OG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Q1YHWZ3rXDinDQrps8j24cXZkOyo1dT/3ydlmufC0K5TbXlQGoYa45/eixEvlE4XwRgiDC6Kv4u4gr8erQalf6n9l7G8lop6AH4ssKKZwNA0M2qmNznQgttJLiA7b5NeCkYGfRD9/H5kFBMicHMD0DUPQ359in1+hiUjBt8kI7g= Received: by 10.90.79.6 with SMTP id c6mr3307220agb.1176479333866; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 7sm2342889wrh.2007.04.13.08.48.53; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <238a01c77de3$4673f080$080ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:48:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0503975c-f409-45ed-86b4-1e69dbca332d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461FD4DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My 11 year old daughter is the young girl in the green Tudor for the partlet segment, it looks like they used three or four different photos. She was wearing a silver headband. But I only caught the last part of the whole show and will be watching it with her after school. She is going to be over the MOON! Chiara Proud Mommy :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS > > On Thu, 12 Apr 2007, Cat Devereaux wrote: > >> To others who watched... some of the pictures go a bit fast, but >> almost everyone tapes now a days, so it's a matter of rewinding and >> enjoying at your own speed. > > I tuned in rather late and saw some unrelated segments, but then at the > end, over the closing credits, were some re-enactor photos. Was there > something earlier? If so, I'll tape on the replay. As for the photos at > the end ... who's who? Is there a list somewhere? > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 16:06:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DK6RvR029478 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:06:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DK6Eo3022513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:06:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DK50Ix076517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:05:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DK4vDR098469; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DK4rkQ098343 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:04:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.157] (sjs-130-65-37-157.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.157]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DK2ub0023512 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0B5899C9-8CB7-49EE-B67C-7AA9EFA227B3@bovil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: Andrew T Trembley Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:04:45 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Con 26 rates go up May 1! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dd30665d-c4ff-4a6b-aac3-be711d6a4042 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 461FE2B6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO CC26: Rates on the Rise Been *meaning* to get your Costume-Con 26 membership before the rates go up? Well, now is the time to act: rates go up on May Day! (5/1/07) Our current rate is $75. On May 1st, we hop up to $85. Supporting memberships, Kids-In-Tow and Youth memberships stay at the current rate. If you voted for CC26 in Silicon Valley, you may apply your $10 voting fee towards your memberships. What are you getting for your membership you ask? Answer: Lots of opportunities to compete against and chill with other costumers and designers - and lots of reasons to get your picture taken! You'll find plenty of inspiration in our vendors area, and from the costumes in the halls. Show off your finest doll couture, your bushiest tail, or your sharpest vest crease. Pick up tips and techniques for making almost anything from our experts! Costume-Con offers an abundance of educational workshops, competitions, and social events. Check out http://www.cc26.info for the latest on our offerings. We'll show our town off to its costuming best, guiding you to fabric, museums, and restaurants. This is California! Expect great weather and endless opportunities for fun. Don't forget your time-traveling togs! 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Adventures in the Costume Continuum" is a project of The Unconventional Foundation. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 18:49:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DMnvRc002820 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:49:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DMnhwm020202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:49:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DMn2xH002377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:49:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DMmvYR036311; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:48:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3DMmrSw036215 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:48:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86282 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2007 22:48:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Us6UOx1c/yGQWCLVF6L9Ctwy21kUAU+5xvwLHezRUZS/voGlfPdmwm4fzMM51B6LjbIb9hWMfy0bj+DGYHpBbSp8XU3AzTnblukWh4VXe6iFgU2/xQpEM6zS8l8SGh8dEYdHrYNhzi5WTCHW8zaRoR27LbCYXA/8lwFF123yYjo=; X-YMail-OSG: 4Gg2cNUVM1kKTYV0CRy.tJ5dDjDURdDlPUwsNAHjs4jpajM9glaiSPNHMTIdGxdeMJPW.eo2QmA35Gpa3mfrE92dzeiuE5Cbp3kQM9RocykUf7eM7z4Rj1I801DK8Q-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:48:48 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 15:48:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002501c77d62$1dceaf20$0400a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <422143.86208.qm@web32210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ac784b9a-2623-42fc-ab99-df57d57651d2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46200907.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I recognized some of the costumers on the show, which I thought was cool (ah, that brief, fleeting glimpse of famous-for-a-second-people). I now have to go back and watch for those here, so I can put a face to your name (or your daughter's). I didn't put in a photo of myself, but of photos I took of my friends, from my guildmaster & mistress, to friends from another ren guild. The one gentleman's chest seen in the puff & slash segment (a little more than a second) was one of my photos. You see his whole body & head later. If anyone is curious about the photos I sent, I also have them here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41633059@N00/sets/72157594583565881/ I had a good squeeee and had to watch the DVD when it came in yesterday, after MJ told me it had been delivered (I didn't hear a knock at the door). I've since told all of my friends about it. Silly me, I didn't watch the credits, so now I have to go back and do so. Kimiko --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 19:42:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DNgmgl004579 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:42:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3DNgZgU022479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:42:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3DNg76R008463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DNg5Ef071262; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3DNg1mL071222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.3] (209-148-118-3.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3DNfx5C021924 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:42:00 -0700 Message-ID: <4620154B.6080301@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:42:03 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 556c96a7-6a0b-425c-8025-24e29533fb95 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4620156B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Anyone know where I can get some 100% cotten dotted Swiss with a soft hand, suitable for machine dyeing with Procion dyes (no synthetic content or obstructive finishes)? I really want to sew with some, but am not liking the pastel colors I'm seeing. I also have a passion to sew with some pin-dotted fabric in earthtones but have partially satisfied it at www.reproductionfabrics.com. Other suggestions welcome, though. What I've mostly seen elsewhere is things like (shudder) hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground. I'm interested in pin-dotted silks as well as cottons. Thanks. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 20:27:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E0Rch1006018 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:27:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3E0RPNn019293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:27:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3E0QWt2012830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:26:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E0QUqx096790; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:26:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E0QQ2X096660 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:26:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E217FCB791 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:26:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46201FC4.9030601@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:26:44 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss References: <4620154B.6080301@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4620154B.6080301@lavoltapress.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 66ed057f-bce7-4a8f-8b44-b54f9af37dd0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46201FED.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lavolta Press wrote: > Anyone know where I can get some 100% cotten dotted Swiss with a soft > hand, suitable for machine dyeing with Procion dyes (no synthetic > content or obstructive finishes)? I really want to sew with some, but > am not liking the pastel colors I'm seeing. Here's a couple places I came up with that sell 100% cotton dotted swiss in white, among other colours. http://www.heirloomsewingforchildren.com/fabric2.htm http://www.carolharrisco.com/swiss.shtml http://www.baltazor.com/dottedswiss.html http://www.srfabrics.com/cottons/othercotton.htm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 21:11:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E1Bgkc007410 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:11:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3E1BSlW024344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:11:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3E1AwiH017519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:10:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E1AuJh021221; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:10:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.225]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E1ArjE021151 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:10:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.154.108]) by bay0-omc3-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:10:48 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:10:47 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.154.123 by by143fd.bay143.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:10:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.92.75.246] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <46201FC4.9030601@reddawn.net> From: "Becky Rautine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:10:43 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2007 01:10:47.0724 (UTC) FILETIME=[BC137EC0:01C77E31] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6804a70-2234-4a68-9f51-57476ace0797 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46202A40.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I had a dress that I loved with butterflies as a dotted swiss cloth. It was yellow with pastel butterflies that were raised and slightly softer poofs. Any one seen anything like this? Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: Dawn Reply-To: Historical Costume To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:26:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc11-f13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:27:22 -0700 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3E0QmIc012863(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:26:48 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E0QUr1096790;Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:26:41 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com[67.52.227.84])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E0QQ2X096660for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:26:28 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3])by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E217FCB791for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:26:20 -0500 (CDT) X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW42EqGpiaUmZCvOpwHGjk6fSAocj6VaHRlR9YoqmWMs3VhfSMUEJMmbH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <4620154B.6080301@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2007 00:27:22.0523 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB415EB0:01C77E2B] Lavolta Press wrote: >Anyone know where I can get some 100% cotten dotted Swiss with a soft hand, >suitable for machine dyeing with Procion dyes (no synthetic content or >obstructive finishes)? I really want to sew with some, but am not liking >the pastel colors I'm seeing. Here's a couple places I came up with that sell 100% cotton dotted swiss in white, among other colours. http://www.heirloomsewingforchildren.com/fabric2.htm http://www.carolharrisco.com/swiss.shtml http://www.baltazor.com/dottedswiss.html http://www.srfabrics.com/cottons/othercotton.htm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i’m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 21:16:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E1GZGk007583 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:16:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3E1GMww016097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:16:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3E1FQbp018083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E1FQZD023679; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:15:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E1FM5q023646 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:15:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKoyl-1HcWrJ1m1Z-0003Vt; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:15:22 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c77e32$45f22470$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <024e01c77dfa$d5213dd0$210ccd18@Maxwell> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:14:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18xrSIJGpOrk9dhE/HfrgJVetuH5V5KBrlaZgb NkBBqSbdxme34Zn+sy8PRShtZTzq2joukxUNh9jUxXn0yEzHAk rWrKnYhbpXruy1KATj36g== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64b8be9f-6027-4258-8c06-ea52cfb4997f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46202B66.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 13 21:23:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E1Na7i007829 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:23:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3E1NLP2020358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:23:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3E1MsvI019090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E1MqSe027718; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:22:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3E1MnNY027685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:22:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.39] (209-148-118-39.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.39]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3E1MlUu024078 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:22:48 -0700 Message-ID: <46202CEB.5050502@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:22:51 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss References: <4620154B.6080301@lavoltapress.com> <46201FC4.9030601@reddawn.net> In-Reply-To: <46201FC4.9030601@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f9ba47c-d620-49be-871e-4b420acf5df2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46202D09.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks. One of the Baltazor swisses, a batiste, looks like a good candidate . . . as long as it doesn't have any obstructive finish on it. Fran Dawn wrote: > Lavolta Press wrote: > >> Anyone know where I can get some 100% cotten dotted Swiss with a soft >> hand, suitable for machine dyeing with Procion dyes (no synthetic >> content or obstructive finishes)? I really want to sew with some, but >> am not liking the pastel colors I'm seeing. > > > > Here's a couple places I came up with that sell 100% cotton dotted swiss > in white, among other colours. > > > http://www.heirloomsewingforchildren.com/fabric2.htm > > http://www.carolharrisco.com/swiss.shtml > > http://www.baltazor.com/dottedswiss.html > > http://www.srfabrics.com/cottons/othercotton.htm > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 06:57:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EAvcK8014667 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:57:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3EAvOeC015631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3EAtuqS074799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:55:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EAtolI008651; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EAtkTU008625 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 04:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1651EF9033A; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:48:05 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:56:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4620154B.6080301@lavoltapress.com> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b7b2ab7c-a391-4872-bcac-ac8aeb37c013 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4620B394.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground!!! What were they thinking? Can you believe someone actually got paid to put that combo together, but we have trouble finding decent fabrics anywhere? Honestly, some of the patterns out there make me shudder! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:42 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Anyone know where I can get some 100% cotten dotted Swiss with a soft hand, suitable for machine dyeing with Procion dyes (no synthetic content or obstructive finishes)? I really want to sew with some, but am not liking the pastel colors I'm seeing. I also have a passion to sew with some pin-dotted fabric in earthtones but have partially satisfied it at www.reproductionfabrics.com. Other suggestions welcome, though. What I've mostly seen elsewhere is things like (shudder) hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground. I'm interested in pin-dotted silks as well as cottons. Thanks. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 11:32:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EFWSn0032478 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3EFWEbS031436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3EFVBo9009938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EFV4L4061042; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EFUxtx060987 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 09:31:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) Received: from dialup-4.229.66.89.dial1.detroit1.level3.net ([4.229.66.89] helo=faucet.net) by pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HckDK-00079V-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:30:58 -0400 Message-ID: <462101A7.9090402@faucet.net> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:30:31 -0500 From: Melanie Schuessler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian (Lattice) Smocking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4865e0d4-03b2-4f5a-b94e-c525a1a07e08 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4620F3FE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO De, I'm afraid we must agree to disagree. To my eyes this is definitely slashing or embroidery meant to look like slashing. If you look at other depictions of slashing, you'll see the same look--lines that are heavier in the middle, narrower on the ends, and not connected: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan11.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/EdwardHoby1.jpg Also, sleeves of strapwork (or even lattice smocking, should it turn out to have existed) are one thing, but a whole skirt of it seems less plausible. If you look at depictions of strapwork, on the other hand, you see a completely different look. The lines for the edges of the straps are even in thickness and connect to the next perpendicular strap so that it's clear they're passing over and under each other: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth4.jpg (side of the bodice) Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: > If you look at the dress it is not slashing. It could be strips of velvet > woven together but I am more inclined to believe that it is lattice work. > The embroidery (or small pinking) and the spangles are emphisizing the the > woven look. > http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php > > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg > > Please compare the first picture to the portrait's sleeve. > > I know that there are two other portraits out there that show the sleeves to > have what looks like lattice work but I can't seem to remember which > portraits, one was "Italian". > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 13:34:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EHYoa4005341 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:34:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3EHYaRH012700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:34:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3EHWsbm025182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EHWpjs034303; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EHWmaL034261 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:32:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.32] (209-148-118-32.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3EHWiRv007955 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:32:46 -0700 Message-ID: <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:32:47 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss References: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc7a7c95-aceb-43dd-9cc8-750dbd6bea45 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462110AD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I went to the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by going to three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and Discount Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard 100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge to test. Fran Sharon Collier wrote: > Hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground!!! > What were they thinking? Can you believe someone actually got paid to put > that combo together, but we have trouble finding decent fabrics anywhere? > Honestly, some of the patterns out there make me shudder! > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 13:52:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EHqoVY005806 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:52:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3EHqbGv024094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:52:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3EHpP52027434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EHpOES044980; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EHpL7T044913 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.d1c.8f521fc (52860) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-de10 (webmail-de10.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.31]) by cia-m05.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAM054-ce7c4621148b2b4; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:51:07 -0400 References: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:51:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: chindora@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25045 Received: from 66.177.236.38 by webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.31) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:51:08 -0400 Message-Id: <8C94CD49D99D8FD-DA0-386C@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.104.31 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e84d620d-ac12-4738-993c-f079e8024214 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462114E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This type of fabric is primarily used today for little girl's outfits, as well as for babies. I guess that is why there is a primarily pastel palette currently available. :) ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: fran@lavoltapress.com To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I went to the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by going to three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and Discount Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard 100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge to test. Fran Sharon Collier wrote: > Hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground!!! > What were they thinking? Can you believe someone actually got paid to put > that combo together, but we have trouble finding decent fabrics anywhere? > Honestly, some of the patterns out there make me shudder! > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 14:13:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EIDkgm006509 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:13:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3EIDXdq004968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:13:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3EICYMW029980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:12:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EICXVi057094; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EICTj5057055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.32] (209-148-118-32.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3EICRAk017484 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:12:28 -0700 Message-ID: <4621198E.8090605@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 11:12:30 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss References: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> <8C94CD49D99D8FD-DA0-386C@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8C94CD49D99D8FD-DA0-386C@webmail-de10.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95c8db3e-30c9-45a1-92c4-86f8cded07c8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462119CD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That was a rhetorical question . . . but dotted Swiss is a perfectly good fabric that can be used for many things and if I can manage to dye it in some earhtones I'm going to sew them! Fran chindora@aol.com wrote: > This type of fabric is primarily used today for little girl's outfits, as well as for babies. I guess that is why there is a primarily pastel palette currently available. > > :) > ~Kimberley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fran@lavoltapress.com > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss > > I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I went to the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by going to three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and Discount Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. > > As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard 100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge to test. > > Fran > > Sharon Collier wrote: > > Hot pink dots on a chartreuse ground!!! > > What were they thinking? Can you believe someone actually got paid to put > > that combo together, but we have trouble finding decent fabrics anywhere? > > Honestly, some of the patterns out there make me shudder! > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 15:16:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EJGGnd008119 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3EJG2XH010653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3EJ9pEG036180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:09:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EJ9kDl090173; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EJ9gxr090109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 13:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.32] (209-148-118-32.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3EJ9eYV031080 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: <462126F8.4090903@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:09:44 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu> <001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> In-Reply-To: <001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5f5af958-ff04-457b-a87d-c4b2b53c182d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46212872.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Three Rivers has not posted an online catalog of the first day of this. Are they going to? Thanks, Fran http://www.lavoltapress.com LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > Yes Kathy , it is in a way. But my 'children' need to grow and get on > in the world. Some of them have led a very reclusive life...and that is > why they are beautiful. Getting on in age, myself, continuing the care > necessary for the preservation and Conservation of such a wonderful > collection will only become more complicated. And so, I challenge > another generation to take up cause. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 16:36:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EKabhk010463 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:36:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3EKaO6u017473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:36:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3EKYELo046356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:34:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EKY8um041648; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:34:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4k.socket.net [216.106.88.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EKXlMr041385 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 03CED3966E for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:33:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Canadian (Lattice) Smocking Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:34:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <462101A7.9090402@faucet.net> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d62eace6-74c7-49e0-818f-2b5fc8239958 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46213B48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The white on the black is either slashes or embroidery, so we agree on that. What we don't agree with is the smocking and the gold bits. Spangles were used in period and I believe that there are a few garments that Elizabeth I wore that had them. I believe that they are spangles (there were different sizes) because you can see them under the lace cuffs. As if they were polished metal and not a cloth of gold shimmer. If supported correctly the lattice work can be used in a skirt. If you look at http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php Imagine the raised bars closer together (this can be done) and done in a little heavier material that is supported in back. Then take every other raised bar and embroider/pink it and the others spangle it and you have the design pattern of the portrait. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg The sleeves are what convinces me that they are latticework because of the way the design lays. So I guess agree to disagree. De -----Original Message----- De, I'm afraid we must agree to disagree. To my eyes this is definitely slashing or embroidery meant to look like slashing. If you look at other depictions of slashing, you'll see the same look--lines that are heavier in the middle, narrower on the ends, and not connected: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan11.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/EdwardHoby1.jpg Also, sleeves of strapwork (or even lattice smocking, should it turn out to have existed) are one thing, but a whole skirt of it seems less plausible. If you look at depictions of strapwork, on the other hand, you see a completely different look. The lines for the edges of the straps are even in thickness and connect to the next perpendicular strap so that it's clear they're passing over and under each other: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth4.jpg (side of the bodice) Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 16:45:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EKjFo8010690 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:45:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3EKj2Fc032631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:45:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3EKiYpP048391 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:44:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EKiXSQ048972; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EKiUdQ048942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:44:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hcp6k-0000dC-Nl; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:44:30 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:44:30 -0400 Message-ID: <20070414164430.h7ob98tpe1skw08w@www.goldsword.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:44:30 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If I can steer this conversation away from the portrait of Queen Elizabeth, I believe that the original question was about this Italian Gown http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg susan (of 2 minds about the portrait of Elizabeth -- I can see it either way!) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 17:15:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ELF7IX011479 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:15:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ELEsaA029215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:14:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3ELEP8T054116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:14:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ELEOBd069469; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:14:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4k.socket.net [216.106.88.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ELEKm5069417 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:14:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D7BF539498 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:14:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:15:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20070414164430.h7ob98tpe1skw08w@www.goldsword.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Canadian (Lattice) Smocking and Bronzino X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78dc3689-7cf4-404f-baab-fd0ab6fd2bd8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4621444E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I thought the original question was how far back was the lattice/Canadian smocking, most were saying 1800s and someone suggested that the Bronzino might be an example and I suggested the Elizabethan was an example. It is possible could be lattice if drawn very tightly, but it could also be achieved by straight line gathers. http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/yourgarb/2004/Anea.htm http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Angelo_Bronzino_037.jpg De -----Original Message----- If I can steer this conversation away from the portrait of Queen Elizabeth, I believe that the original question was about this Italian Gown http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg susan (of 2 minds about the portrait of Elizabeth -- I can see it either way!) ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 17:50:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ELoqCv012382 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:50:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ELocqX002414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:50:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3ELnkfT058295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:49:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ELnhww087906; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3ELndqu087839 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:49:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 18511 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2007 21:49:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.247.231 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2007 21:49:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _Oy_CZUVM1lvaztzZ8HCbVd8NbcT7FEC4Oo3iyvGpBMcKt5MuvebZoE5ZnJJWl2JS09ocPdC6aQWun3_ceXLF2hCnBE- Message-ID: <002201c77ede$c7726170$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu><001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <462126F8.4090903@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:49:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 253408f1-79ff-457d-b0a2-37cea1ba4e6f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46214CAF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran, if you go in to the site and bring up coming events/proxy.com you should be able tosee the Show. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement > Three Rivers has not posted an online catalog of the first day of this. > Are they going to? > > Thanks, > > Fran > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > >> Yes Kathy , it is in a way. But my 'children' need to grow and get on in >> the world. Some of them have led a very reclusive life...and that is why >> they are beautiful. Getting on in age, myself, continuing the care >> necessary for the preservation and Conservation of such a wonderful >> collection will only become more complicated. And so, I challenge >> another generation to take up cause. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 19:00:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EN0eOv014059 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3EN0Qe0018395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3EMxDf2068947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:59:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EMx8Ei024590; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:59:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3EMx5s4024506 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:59:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704142259.l3EMx5s4024506@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070414225859m15007gp2ge>; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:59:00 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:59:03 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss In-Reply-To: <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> References: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 58d0e60e-d0b9-46b2-b40e-9b47ce8a5546 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46215D0B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 01:32 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: >I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so >it would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I >went to the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by >going to three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and >Discount Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. > >As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard >100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers >are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted >Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up >to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge to test. > >Fran >> Fran, I was doing some poking about just a little while ago, and found this site--don't know if you can use these, but here they are--and at considerably less than $15 a yard! http://www.reprodepot.com/dots1.html Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 19:16:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ENGCYH014443 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:16:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ENFwGZ022757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:16:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3ENF4hZ072740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:15:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ENF39J033791; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:15:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao05.charter.net (mtao05.charter.net [209.225.8.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ENF0gg033715 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:15:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa07.charter.net ([10.20.200.159]) by mtao05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070414231455.QROV1417.mtao05.charter.net@aa07.charter.net> for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:14:55 -0400 Received: from Maxwell ([24.205.12.33]) by aa07.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070414231454.DPMJ9543.aa07.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:14:54 -0400 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:15:16 -0800 Message-ID: <027c01c77ef3$25d3f8f0$210ccd18@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acd+vyze1R9EWdX2RrGt6j+ki3NsvgAM3idg Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200704141800.l3EI0Has050046@net.indra.com> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: AIR DATES: "THE TUDORS: ROYAL STYLEMAKERS" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2892578f-a399-4cfb-b7cf-9b17127ded89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462160AE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >>It is not on Showtime On Demand. But The Tutors episodes 1-3 are On Demand. I watched it last night. Not yet. Style network has an exclusive right now. Showtime on Demand for sure at some point. Maybe's on E! and Showtime itself. It's all a rating game. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 20:21:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F0L5gh015718 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:21:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F0Kpv0008190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:20:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F0JRDF083987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:19:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F0JNH7066775; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:19:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F0JKn8066749 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:19:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ADBD182F03DC; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:11:41 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost]Canadian (Lattice) Smocking Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:19:47 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c77ef3$c6b9da50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <462101A7.9090402@faucet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 726f4835-2169-4ef8-bc5c-c12b39494862 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46216FE3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you look at the bodice, which is not slashed, you see the pattern of = the material is the same as the sleeves and skirt, same spacing of large and small dots. That argues for slashing, since the smocking would have = changed the distance between dots. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Melanie Schuessler Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian (Lattice) Smocking De, I'm afraid we must agree to disagree. To my eyes this is definitely=20 slashing or embroidery meant to look like slashing. If you look at=20 other depictions of slashing, you'll see the same look--lines that are=20 heavier in the middle, narrower on the ends, and not connected: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan11.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/EdwardHoby1.jpg Also, sleeves of strapwork (or even lattice smocking, should it turn out = to have existed) are one thing, but a whole skirt of it seems less=20 plausible. If you look at depictions of strapwork, on the other hand, you see a=20 completely different look. The lines for the edges of the straps are=20 even in thickness and connect to the next perpendicular strap so that=20 it's clear they're passing over and under each other: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth4.jpg (side of the bodice) Melanie Schuessler otsisto wrote: > If you look at the dress it is not slashing. It could be strips of = velvet > woven together but I am more inclined to believe that it is lattice = work. > The embroidery (or small pinking) and the spangles are emphisizing the = the > woven look. > http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php >=20 > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg >=20 > Please compare the first picture to the portrait's sleeve. >=20 > I know that there are two other portraits out there that show the = sleeves to > have what looks like lattice work but I can't seem to remember which > portraits, one was "Italian". >=20 > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 20:22:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F0MYsP015750 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:22:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F0MKeE023109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:22:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F0Lp93084192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F0LonO067940; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F0LlAJ067910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:21:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.146] (209-148-118-146.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.146]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3F0LjAg002879 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:21:46 -0700 Message-ID: <46217019.8000004@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:21:45 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss References: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> <200704142259.l3EMx5s4024506@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200704142259.l3EMx5s4024506@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f0cb6b0-f83e-4597-bb6f-a07e807cd28e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4621703D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks, I'd forgotten about them. I just bought some pindot fabric! Fran > > > > Fran, I was doing some poking about just a little while ago, and found > this site--don't know if you can use these, but here they are--and at > considerably less than $15 a yard! > > http://www.reprodepot.com/dots1.html > > Dianne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 20:57:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F0v5gv016395 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:57:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F0uqmc015739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:56:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F0tlur089639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:55:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F0tjve086416; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:55:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F0tfMt086361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:55:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l3F18Xku007600 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:08:33 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:04:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> In-Reply-To: <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704142104.42554.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e399f61f-8e70-4aec-a80a-09a7c0373219 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46217854.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 20:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Saturday 14 April 2007 1:32 pm, Lavolta Press wrote: > I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it > would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. Polka-dotted prints are back in fashion, if you believe the NY Times, but pindots, and dotted swiss (which usually is associated with femininity and daintiness) is not. > As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard 100% > cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers are so > locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted Swiss?) Because it's associated with the sweetness and light part of the feminine stereotype, and in general has been worn more by little girls than by women for as long as I've been alive. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 21:14:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F1ECZo016714 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:14:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F1Dw6h019375 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:14:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F1DL2V093047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:13:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F1DK56096854; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:13:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F1DHjh096775 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:13:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070415011310m15007je4ie>; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:13:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <200704142259.l3EMx5s4024506@net.indra.com> References: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> <200704142259.l3EMx5s4024506@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:13:09 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a70d4b6-3b08-4014-9b51-cd5251908f4e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46217C57.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was looking for dotted swiss for a show I was costuming last fall. It was impossible to find white on white at a reasonable price. I don't think the fabric has been in style since the 1950s when my play took place. Lots of little girl dresses were made of it then. I finally found 1 yard on an auction website. Sylrog On Apr 14, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Dianne & Greg Stucki wrote: > At 01:32 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: >> I somehow got the impression that pin-dotted fabric is in style so it >> would be easy to find, but I think I was wrong about that. I went to >> the dentist in Berkeley on Wednesday and consoled myself by going to >> three fabric stores over there (Poppy, Stonemountain, and Discount >> Fabrics), and I wasn't seeing much in the way of pin dots. >> >> As for the dotted Swiss, I asked Baltazor how well their $15/yard >> 100% cotton batiste white Swiss would dye. (Why is it manufacturers >> are so locked into the white/blue/pink/pale yellow colors for dotted >> Swiss?) They said they didn't know whether the fabric would stand up >> to machine dyeing, but offered to send me half a yard free of charge >> to test. >> >> Fran >> > > > Fran, I was doing some poking about just a little while ago, and found > this site--don't know if you can use these, but here they are--and at > considerably less than $15 a yard! > > http://www.reprodepot.com/dots1.html > > Dianne > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 21:37:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F1bEjI017034 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:37:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F1b090018769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F1ZTPZ097335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:35:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F1ZQrW010489; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F1ZNXn010454 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 19:35:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.146] (209-148-118-146.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.146]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3F1ZJxX018288 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: <46218156.6020407@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:35:18 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss References: <001401c77e83$8353a0e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <4621103F.1080903@lavoltapress.com> <200704142259.l3EMx5s4024506@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4cff3461-f72c-41ba-bbb0-5776e357e6bb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462181BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, dotted Swiss is very expensive on most of the heirloom sewing sites. I suppose people only buy a little bit of fabric to clothe children and dolls, therefore it does not seem too expensive. The Baltazor $15/yard Swiss batiste is the most reasonable I've run across in all cotton, although I've seen similar prices for cotton/poly (which I don't think I can dye). I think what with eyelet so in fashion, other fabrics with embroidered textures may be so soon. Or maybe not. I became interested in it when I bought some embroidered cotton kebayas from Indonesia whose ground fabric was basically dotted Swiss, although the seller did not call it that (I think they just called it "cotton"). It's just a really nice sheer fabric for summer. Fran Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > I was looking for dotted swiss for a show I was costuming last fall. It > was impossible to find white on white at a reasonable price. I don't > think the fabric has been in style since the 1950s when my play took > place. Lots of little girl dresses were made of it then. I finally > found 1 yard on an auction website. > > Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 14 23:04:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F34jRR018153 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:04:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F34WvQ004619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:04:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F33dHd008712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F33XrO055805; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:03:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.103]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3F33SDt055721 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: (qmail 4010 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 03:03:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@70.228.71.112 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 03:03:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: u94zRNIVM1m.XcSE4MZQPgQ8uob.nrp1XmdV6GktG_4fJaLO Message-ID: <462195D3.7020809@compuserve.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:02:43 -0400 From: "M + D (Mary Piero Carey+Doug Piero Carey)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200704111800.l3BI0BSc021271@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200704111800.l3BI0BSc021271@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT librarian in-jokes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 544ca18f-e35b-4469-a7bd-5a3249e6b89b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46219640.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mary _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 00:00:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F40EDq018804 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:00:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F4003L027543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:00:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F3xNUY013657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F3xMUo080949; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:59:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mf4k.socket.net [216.106.88.209]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F3xINk080904 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:59:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 56B4F3945C for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 22:59:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Canadian (Lattice) Smocking Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:00:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002001c77ef3$c6b9da50$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b8766ff-1b58-4212-9fbe-4fd050d347fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4621A340.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The smocking would not change the distance of the "spangles" if you are using the Latticework smocking. http://www.savvyseams.com/techniques/canadian.php The "spangles" would be running along the ridge of the lattice. http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth12.jpg I guess why I am stuck on the notion that this is latticework is because twenty years ago I saw a dress in dark blue velvet, sleeves and bodice done in latticework and it looked similar to EI's sleeves. I remember this because the only time prior to that I saw it on pillows that my Aunt Betty made back in the 70s. De -----Original Message----- If you look at the bodice, which is not slashed, you see the pattern of the material is the same as the sleeves and skirt, same spacing of large and small dots. That argues for slashing, since the smocking would have changed the distance between dots. -----Original Message----- De, I'm afraid we must agree to disagree. To my eyes this is definitely slashing or embroidery meant to look like slashing. If you look at other depictions of slashing, you'll see the same look--lines that are heavier in the middle, narrower on the ends, and not connected: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan11.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/EdwardHoby1.jpg Also, sleeves of strapwork (or even lattice smocking, should it turn out to have existed) are one thing, but a whole skirt of it seems less plausible. If you look at depictions of strapwork, on the other hand, you see a completely different look. The lines for the edges of the straps are even in thickness and connect to the next perpendicular strap so that it's clear they're passing over and under each other: http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownMan2.jpg http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth4.jpg (side of the bodice) Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 04:32:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F8WWDA002829 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:32:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F8WJkh017390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:32:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F8Tdvi035520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:29:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F8T0sA094469; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:29:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F8Su9Y094381 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:28:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070415082850.EINJ5002.fep31.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:28:50 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.103]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070415082836.LICR1147.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:28:36 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c77f38$30c8ca70$67e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Canadian (Lattice) Smocking and Bronzino Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:29:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.63.231.103] at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:28:28 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9eef1b19-fe30-4a62-a3c4-3d292079ee81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4621E313.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Exactly straight gathers was what i had in mind witht the italian portrait. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:15 PM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Canadian (Lattice) Smocking and Bronzino >I thought the original question was how far back was the lattice/Canadian > smocking, most were saying 1800s and someone suggested that the Bronzino > might be an example and I suggested the Elizabethan was an example. > It is possible could be lattice if drawn very tightly, but it could also > be > achieved by straight line gathers. > http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/yourgarb/2004/Anea.htm > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Angelo_Bronzino_037.jpg > > De > > -----Original Message----- > If I can steer this conversation away from the portrait of Queen > Elizabeth, I believe that the original question was about this Italian > Gown > > http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg > > susan (of 2 minds about the portrait of Elizabeth -- I can see it either > way!) > ----- > Susan Farmer > sfarmer@goldsword.com > University of Tennessee > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 04:35:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F8ZR4M002941 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:35:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F8ZDQ5012399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:35:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F8YJ4A035941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F8YIuv097016; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F8YEcX096950 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070415083407.EQHK19409.fep32.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:34:07 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.103]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070415083407.KMLR1148.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:34:07 +0200 Message-ID: <002e01c77f38$f1288850$67e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001301c77f38$30c8ca70$67e73f50@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Canadian (Lattice) Smocking and Bronzino Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:34:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.63.231.103] at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:34:05 +0200 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=38% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3d3e372-3308-482d-956b-054015efebdf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4621E3C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO How about the portrait with the young man standing under a tree, by Nicolas Hilliard? His doublet has the same, but his doublet is braided i think. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Canadian (Lattice) Smocking and Bronzino > Hi, > Exactly straight gathers was what i had in mind witht the italian > portrait. > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "otsisto" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:15 PM > Subject: [h-cost] RE: Canadian (Lattice) Smocking and Bronzino > > >>I thought the original question was how far back was the lattice/Canadian >> smocking, most were saying 1800s and someone suggested that the Bronzino >> might be an example and I suggested the Elizabethan was an example. >> It is possible could be lattice if drawn very tightly, but it could also >> be >> achieved by straight line gathers. >> http://realmofvenus.renaissanceitaly.net/yourgarb/2004/Anea.htm >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Angelo_Bronzino_037.jpg >> >> De >> >> -----Original Message----- >> If I can steer this conversation away from the portrait of Queen >> Elizabeth, I believe that the original question was about this Italian >> Gown >> >> http://www.wga.hu/art/b/bronzino/2/panciat2.jpg >> >> susan (of 2 minds about the portrait of Elizabeth -- I can see it either >> way!) >> ----- >> Susan Farmer >> sfarmer@goldsword.com >> University of Tennessee >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 04:47:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F8lwVA003445 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:47:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F8li0H024642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:47:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3F8lGwG037068 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F8lFMK002471; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3F8lBvM002417 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 02:47:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070415084705.EYOQ17199.fep34.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:47:05 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.103]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070415084705.KKTE1161.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:47:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c77f3a$bf79f4e0$67e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:47:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.63.231.103] at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 10:47:00 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] pleating a francaise X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 031af3df-8223-4168-9633-c252a954a988 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4621E6B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, My current projekt is making a francaise dress in red silk taffeta. I have used the cut from a book called "Histoire du Costume" by Maurice Leloir. It s an old book, and mostly with drawings. I have copied the drawing of the dress and the pattern draft from the book: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm The back pleats are 6 small pleats wich i think is very unusual. I thoaght the devellopment of the pleats for Francaise dresses was smaller and smaller space for the pleats and smaller pleats two. So my question is: What date would you suggest the drawing of the lady to be? My guess was mid eighteenth century, but now i am not so sertain any more because of the pleats in the back. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie1.htm http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-12.htm I had calculated to use much more width in the back pleats. I guess it wont be this important if i use small or large pleats, if i use larger, i can add more width. But i was just currious, have you seen other examples with small pleated francaise dresses? 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That would also be in keeping with the smaller back pleats. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 16:14:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FKEHGh004786 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:14:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FKE3Ex004198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:14:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FKCRHn065471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FKCJKa073823; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:12:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from falcon.systems.viatel.net (falcon.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FKCF8s073776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:12:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SERENA) by falcon.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdB54-0004ii-UX for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:12:15 +0100 From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:12:35 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=23% Subject: [h-cost] Buttons on outergarments X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 32d13df3-ff0a-4c1f-92f6-9dfdf5e22bb4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4622878B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks Serena Dyer http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 17:31:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLVFfY007764 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:31:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FLV0ss001073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:31:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FLTw5C083515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:29:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLTqtE013980; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:29:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3FCp6mB013771 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 06:51:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 52660 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2007 12:51:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.160.184 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2007 12:51:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tvLHGiYVM1m8xfxQs4FwWLK8NpVmVWuSaQ_RQDjlf9dhBUC8jRknqi9FwsdbwpEi2qjJVrPK_lVcVdy6hXNcJo1TMK8- Message-ID: <005e01c77f5c$b673f540$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu><001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <462126F8.4090903@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 08:50:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 47e50a8b-7e9b-4cca-ac49-bf427da14f8d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46229994.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran, I just re-read your question and the awnser is No. Alas. the first day sale will be a ton of jewelry ( Not mine), the remainder of my hats (not included in the catalogue; probably about 50/75), books related to fashion/costuming (my contrib to this catagory are movie/theater and a few collection guides). Also probably about 500 pieces of vintage clothing (1940s/90s), and my purses of leather, crochet, mesh, and beading; a few compacts and pill boxes; shoes (19thC-20thC). There are also other consiners with hats, purses, and other stuff related to fashion. The catalogue of 300 plus lots comprises about 1000 pieces. I saved a few of the dresses and gowns that fit Me, also several of my best hats which I wear on many occasions, and most of my significant lace collection. Yesterday I put together two dolls using some of my recent e-Bay purchases. One is a Gwenivere designed in the early 1960s; the other is a gorgeous Bru repro with red hair. I used the Seeley body pattern this time and have your books at the ready for the wardrobe. I have found that your pattern shapes as scaled can be used directly for dolls of the 18" scale. So, let my new career begin! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement > Three Rivers has not posted an online catalog of the first day of this. > Are they going to? > > Thanks, > > Fran > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > >> Yes Kathy , it is in a way. But my 'children' need to grow and get on in >> the world. Some of them have led a very reclusive life...and that is why >> they are beautiful. Getting on in age, myself, continuing the care >> necessary for the preservation and Conservation of such a wonderful >> collection will only become more complicated. And so, I challenge >> another generation to take up cause. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 17:33:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLXpC0007845 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:33:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FLXb1L015521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FLXJxI084717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:33:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLXIB0016650; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from falcon.systems.viatel.net (falcon.systems.viatel.net [194.42.224.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FKAbOr072914 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:10:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from serena@pemberleydesigns.co.uk) Received: from [135.196.230.193] (helo=SERENA) by falcon.systems.viatel.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HdB3P-0004dJ-Nr for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:10:31 +0100 From: "Serena Dyer" To: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:10:36 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=24% Subject: [h-cost] Regency Hats and Bonnets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f87f1b6b-73c5-4002-9a2d-a7582bf9dd4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46229A31.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello all I was wondering if anyone could share any knowledge or tips about making repro regency hats and bonnets. I have tried a number of things over the years, from buckram brimmed to altering straw hats but I have never been happy with any of my efforts. I'm looking to make something subtle, as I'm not generally a 'hat' person, but I would also like it to be unusual and interesting. Any help/advise/suggestions/comments would be much appreciated. Thanks Serena Dyer http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 17:53:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLrqxx008590 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:53:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FLrcOV027535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:53:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FLqRZi089398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:52:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLqPYU027096; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:52:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLqLCm026992 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:52:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070415215215.WILO17199.fep34.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:52:15 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.88]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070415215215.LTOR1153.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:52:15 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c77fa8$6ae27dd0$58e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Buttons on outergarments Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:52:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.63.231.88] at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:52:08 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 28e1b458-326e-4b02-9edd-84b1107c5f96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46229EE2.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena Dyer" To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: [h-cost] Buttons on outergarments >I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of any sources > depicting unusual buttons/ button positioning on regency outergarments, > particularly spencers. > > Thanks > > Serena Dyer > http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 17:55:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLtWUG008650 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:55:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FLtIxe027871 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:55:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FLssQn089919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:54:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLsrKE028272; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:54:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FLsncH028200 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070415215443.WHZC19409.fep32.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:54:43 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.88]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070415215443.KVCZ1370.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:54:43 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c77fa8$c6aa95d0$58e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Regency Hats and Bonnets Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:55:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.63.231.88] at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:54:42 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=38% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33333273-de6a-4f93-84ed-f11eab1b1f78 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46229F47.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have a roll of hat material. It looks like straw wich is wowen by the yard, but its not natural material. It is used by hat makers. I use it for hats two. When you combine this material with dress material and hat wire, you get a nice result. I live in Denmark, and dont know the english word for the material. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena Dyer" To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Regency Hats and Bonnets > Hello all > > I was wondering if anyone could share any knowledge or tips about making > repro regency hats and bonnets. I have tried a number of things over the > years, from buckram brimmed to altering straw hats but I have never been > happy with any of my efforts. I'm looking to make something subtle, as > I'm > not generally a 'hat' person, but I would also like it to be unusual and > interesting. > > Any help/advise/suggestions/comments would be much appreciated. > > > Thanks > > Serena Dyer > http://www.pemberleydesigns.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 18:01:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FM1w6I008873 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:01:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FM1j7J029240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:01:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FM1KHk091483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FM1Jik031692; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:01:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3FM1G9g031578 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:01:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 34953 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Apr 2007 22:01:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EgqbiGZfsMkdvLwFYgPiUFCAtzipuGPf505GWT3ox/FRnxaVk2p5oHvRPjvv7QN5mdEfLQl418yKwaQaakqcYAJjWYcqKayOD9PCgrf8lU+R6SlfWjiRgJyrj0k5q1z2woUalGd3ilaDVfTyfOpmGFsI+3C6OyQVJj4H6KZsWnE=; X-YMail-OSG: .iBfWNMVM1mUFg6eBoFYUMY1qI0B2dzhiGHiqrO1WDb7nIdxPEUwKgfJOf3QYb0MnT_B.3dfzPkzfs9izOG3V5xtcZKtGX.zu4eio9Kdg3i5qYTiD9MmWTm1BywL4w-- Received: from [76.81.2.185] by web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:01:10 PDT Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <872919.33560.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Closure on June gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 283ddab0-c05f-428a-bc5e-b4c196db6f7e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4622A0C9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm finally making this dress: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/work/jdb06b.jpg Obviously it laces up, so here's the question: How? Are there lacing holes in the fabric? Are there lacing rings on top of the fabric or hidden underneath? Or what? I can see the lacing cord itself but not what it's lacing through. Perhaps someone has already worked it out. Any ideas? Oh and while I'm at it (this is so not my period) what would you say is the shape of the veil? Oval, rectangle, or some combination? All observations welcome. Thanks in advance, MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 18:59:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FMxlEp010983 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:59:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FMxX8b020729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:59:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FMwMDn008156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FMwJJu066086; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:58:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FMwGQH066009 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) Received: from [67.101.52.167] (h-67-101-52-167.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[67.101.52.167]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with ESMTP id <20070415225811112004gptue>; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:58:11 +0000 Message-ID: <4622ACE8.1060107@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:53:28 -0700 From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200704152132.l3FLWLhx015955@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200704152132.l3FLWLhx015955@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53c9acbd-2d66-4568-bff9-a9abfb8b95e6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4622AE55.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would appreciate some feedback from the list members on this item that is nagging at me. The Autry Museum here in Los Angeles has just opened a new exhibit called "California Style: Art and Fashion from the California Historical Society". Here is a link to the museum's main page: http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/ One of the items they are using to showcase the exhibit is right there on the front page, a red velvet dress circa 1883. Here's a link to the page on the dress itself: http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/california4.php The thing that is really nagging at me is they keep calling it an evening dress and it really isn't an evening. You =might= get away with calling it a "dinner" dress, but not an evening dress proper. Granted, I'm a costumer, so I tend to notice these details, but that mis-identification seems pretty blatant to me, and I was wondering if it struck anyone else that way, too. Thanks for your input, Julie PS - This isn't the first time I've encountered the mis-identification of a costume at the Autry. Several years ago they had two dresses on display in the front lobby that were very clearly mid-1850's, and yet the card identified them as 1873. Trust me, no way were these dresses from 1873. They were made from very delicate muslin, stamped with a geometric floral pattern, full bell-shaped skirts, without even the slightest hint yet of even the elliptical shape that was to come in the 1860's, let alone a bustle silhouette (and no, they weren't displayed wrong). They both had straight waists, no curve or point at all, long bishop-type sleeves ending in a buttoned cuff. One buttoned down the front, one hooked down the back (lovely cartridge pleating on both dresses), and so on. There was enough attention to fashionable detail that the person who made the dresses did =not= make them 20 years out of style. I put a comment card in at the front desk and some time later actually received a call from the person who (ostensibly) donated the gowns to the museum. Said they were made by an ancestor (great grandmother or something like that) who made them when she first came to the US in the 1870's. I'm afraid I argued with him, cited several standard costume texts that he could reference for comparison, mentioned all the points I stated above, but he was...unconvinced, shall we say. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 19:13:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNDj6o011532 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:13:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FNDVIr006090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:13:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FND1hh015703 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FND1u2074117; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNCwr8074029 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.95]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:12:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:12:52 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.140.123 by by135fd.bay135.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:12:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.89.237.144] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <4622ACE8.1060107@worldnet.att.net> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:12:51 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2007 23:12:52.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[97C8EEF0:01C77FB3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 63ad7c51-3fff-4eb8-b8fe-9cfff321237e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4622B19B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would say it's an afternoon dress for going out in, definately not evening attire. Evening dresses of the period had open necklines and short sleeves. Kelly An insolent reply from a polite person is a bad sign. Hippocrates (c.460-c.370 bc), Greek physician >From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:53:28 -0700 > >I would appreciate some feedback from the list members on this item that is >nagging at me. > >The Autry Museum here in Los Angeles has just opened a new exhibit called >"California Style: Art and Fashion from the California Historical Society". >Here is a link to the museum's main page: >http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/ > >One of the items they are using to showcase the exhibit is right there on >the front page, a red velvet dress circa 1883. Here's a link to the page on >the dress itself: http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/california4.php > >The thing that is really nagging at me is they keep calling it an evening >dress and it really isn't an evening. You =might= get away with calling it >a "dinner" dress, but not an evening dress proper. Granted, I'm a costumer, >so I tend to notice these details, but that mis-identification seems pretty >blatant to me, and I was wondering if it struck anyone else that way, too. > >Thanks for your input, >Julie > >PS - This isn't the first time I've encountered the mis-identification of a >costume at the Autry. Several years ago they had two dresses on display in >the front lobby that were very clearly mid-1850's, and yet the card >identified them as 1873. Trust me, no way were these dresses from 1873. >They were made from very delicate muslin, stamped with a geometric floral >pattern, full bell-shaped skirts, without even the slightest hint yet of >even the elliptical shape that was to come in the 1860's, let alone a >bustle silhouette (and no, they weren't displayed wrong). They both had >straight waists, no curve or point at all, long bishop-type sleeves ending >in a buttoned cuff. One buttoned down the front, one hooked down the back >(lovely cartridge pleating on both dresses), and so on. There was enough >attention to fashionable detail that the person who made the dresses did >=not= make them 20 years out of style. I put a comment card in at the front >desk and some time later actually received a call from the person who >(ostensibly) donated the gowns to the museum. Said they were made by an >ancestor (great grandmother or something like that) who made them when she >first came to the US in the 1870's. I'm afraid I argued with him, cited >several standard costume texts that he could reference for comparison, >mentioned all the points I stated above, but he was...unconvinced, shall we >say. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Check Out Our List Of Trendy Restaurants. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 03:53 PM 4/15/2007, you wrote: >I would appreciate some feedback from the list members on this item >that is nagging at me. > >The Autry Museum here in Los Angeles has just opened a new exhibit >called "California Style: Art and Fashion from the California >Historical Society". Here is a link to the museum's main page: >http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/ > >One of the items they are using to showcase the exhibit is right >there on the front page, a red velvet dress circa 1883. Here's a >link to the page on the dress itself: >http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/california4.php > >The thing that is really nagging at me is they keep calling it an >evening dress and it really isn't an evening. You =might= get away >with calling it a "dinner" dress, but not an evening dress proper. >Granted, I'm a costumer, so I tend to notice these details, but that >mis-identification seems pretty blatant to me, and I was wondering >if it struck anyone else that way, too. > >Thanks for your input, >Julie While I'm no expert in the clothes of the 1880s, this dress looks like a visiting dress. There may have been another bodice (sleeveless or with short cap sleeves, wide decolletage) to be worn with the skirt for evening, but high-necked, long-sleeved bodice looks like an afternoon visiting dress to me. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 19:32:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNWvEY012272 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:32:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FNWhuW030042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:32:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FNW3Cj025824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:32:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNW1i4085105; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net (sccrmhc15.comcast.net [63.240.77.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNVwMm085032 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:32:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070415233152015008jione>; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:31:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <200704152322.l3FNM6Ae079441@net.indra.com> References: <200704152132.l3FLWLhx015955@net.indra.com> <4622ACE8.1060107@worldnet.att.net> <200704152322.l3FNM6Ae079441@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0905855915688763c8af3f8478784dd6@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:31:51 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: da862cff-4167-49f1-abb4-09af461a4988 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4622B61B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Looks kind of dressy for an afternoon dress to me. I think it would be considered a dinner dress for a not so formal occasion. It brings to mind a movie I saw recently. I can't remember what it was. It may have been The Prestige or The Illusionist, since I rented both of them a couple weeks ago. Or it may have been something I saw on tv, but it took place in the 1800s and the scene in question was at a theatre event in the evening with upper class patrons and I noticed that the women appeared to be in day dresses, which seemed wrong to me. Wouldn't women going to the theatre in the evening be wearing low-necked sleeveless dresses? Sylvia On Apr 15, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 03:53 PM 4/15/2007, you wrote: >> I would appreciate some feedback from the list members on this item >> that is nagging at me. >> >> The Autry Museum here in Los Angeles has just opened a new exhibit >> called "California Style: Art and Fashion from the California >> Historical Society". Here is a link to the museum's main page: >> http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/ >> >> One of the items they are using to showcase the exhibit is right >> there on the front page, a red velvet dress circa 1883. Here's a link >> to the page on the dress itself: >> http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/california4.php >> >> The thing that is really nagging at me is they keep calling it an >> evening dress and it really isn't an evening. You =might= get away >> with calling it a "dinner" dress, but not an evening dress proper. >> Granted, I'm a costumer, so I tend to notice these details, but that >> mis-identification seems pretty blatant to me, and I was wondering if >> it struck anyone else that way, too. >> >> Thanks for your input, >> Julie > > While I'm no expert in the clothes of the 1880s, this dress looks like > a visiting dress. There may have been another bodice (sleeveless or > with short cap sleeves, wide decolletage) to be worn with the skirt > for evening, but high-necked, long-sleeved bodice looks like an > afternoon visiting dress to me. > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 19:42:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNgTJX012582 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:42:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3FNgFvx008864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:42:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FNfXK7031292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNfWnn090512; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNfTcC090482 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:41:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15742 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:36:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:36:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Closure on June gown In-Reply-To: <872919.33560.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98c80b05-67be-407c-86f4-1105fd862676 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4622B857.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, MaggiRos wrote: > I'm finally making this dress: > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/work/jdb06b.jpg > > Obviously it laces up, so here's the question: How? It's not evident even in a very good reproduction, but I'd assume, at this time and place, that it's lacing holes in the fabric. > Oh and while I'm at it (this is so not my period) what would you say > is the shape of the veil? Oval, rectangle, or some combination? All > observations welcome. Rectangle. There's one corner hanging just behind the top of her right shoulder. (The little triangle between veil and neck is the same green as the grass, so that's air there, not more veil.) There's another corner hanging behind her right upper arm, just next to the hem of the blue sleeve. Maybe not visible on-screen but clear enough in a good repro. So, I'd say a linen rectangle draped over the head with the short side on the right. This is exactly what you'd get if you had a headwrap that you pulled loose and let hang; in fact the woman's companion (not shown in your web image) has a headwrap of the sort that would be made of the same type of linen rectangle. It is important to note that it's quite unlikely this style of dress would have been routinely worn by fieldworkers. The Limbourgs tended to romanticize their peasants, and I do not see the fitted style worn in other images of fieldworkers. Working middle-class women, yes, but not peasants. So that may be a bit of a stretch specific to the circumstances of this particular manuscript. But that said, you can build a case of sorts on this image, and that would be sufficient for purposes of, say, competition documentation. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 20:04:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G04Ocn013330 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:04:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G04Bpq025491 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:04:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3FND1sf015702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:13:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNCv1Y074079; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:12:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FNCrMc073969 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.c42.1124c86d (30738) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:12:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5365 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b87d969-42e3-46c6-a98c-dcf2c216d253 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4622BD7B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/15/2007 6:59:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kiloran@worldnet.att.net writes: Said they were made by an ancestor (great grandmother or something like that) who made them when she first came to the US in the 1870's. Ah, yes, the problem with "Great Aunt Minnie," who made this from scratch, may even have raised the cotton herself! (A classmate, not in costume, once showed me a shawl her aunts had supposedly made--well, they may have BOUGHT it--they were a dime a dozen, I think sold in Havana for the tourist trade.) Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 21:11:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G1B2P8016356 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:11:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G1AmrX003055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:10:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G19f5R055469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:09:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G19bL8037886; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G19Zmg037862 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1559330wxc for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:09:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Zukx9CN4HwW1y0J1zzd/QUdxdXcYfAX8ZJscKBGqO1enWYvtcL06dpzeYXvZP3p6Z/VRkXOC95s+jHnaz10heB1EDvTRkDA3f070GGXqnLiUfDtUDKbftn0zYLgWlxXudN6iP6PWrF50VjVjt7D7SODudLgJm6tRatz3mzgxMcU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=sa/uAmjp0LKyDAUQhfZ2ABNONSoa97PsSiGooRJ4XCVy1Y6tDcByQVQUNJDSUpmuTMSqVjWYZVCLXOqG4C7tROuTPsMZwrRAmRk86OP/gsQgoNpzJFPGWiHTX2OLjwCFS4MTaaBWqky9YmPSenR4ZvknnMDG6Ae5vfi2aXZ5vxY= Received: by 10.70.42.16 with SMTP id p16mr1047291wxp.1176685775450; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g5sm4898004wra.2007.04.15.18.09.34; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5f6501c77fc3$f0b65560$080ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704152132.l3FLWLhx015955@net.indra.com> <4622ACE8.1060107@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:01:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b5eed18-6978-4d1c-99d3-b3367b7067c1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4622CD18.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not an expert of this era mind you but if they were to take the jacket off and we could see the neckline of what is underneath then perhaps it would be more clear why they identified it as an evening dress. What were the rules when wearing that deep shade of red? Or were there rules like there is for the wedding dress being worn to all engagements for a specific amount of time after the wedding? Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 5:53 PM Subject: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item >I would appreciate some feedback from the list members on this item that is >nagging at me. > > The Autry Museum here in Los Angeles has just opened a new exhibit called > "California Style: Art and Fashion from the California Historical > Society". Here is a link to the museum's main page: > http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/ > > One of the items they are using to showcase the exhibit is right there on > the front page, a red velvet dress circa 1883. Here's a link to the page > on the dress itself: http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/california4.php > > The thing that is really nagging at me is they keep calling it an evening > dress and it really isn't an evening. You =might= get away with calling it > a "dinner" dress, but not an evening dress proper. Granted, I'm a > costumer, so I tend to notice these details, but that mis-identification > seems pretty blatant to me, and I was wondering if it struck anyone else > that way, too. > > Thanks for your input, > Julie > > PS - This isn't the first time I've encountered the mis-identification of > a costume at the Autry. Several years ago they had two dresses on display > in the front lobby that were very clearly mid-1850's, and yet the card > identified them as 1873. Trust me, no way were these dresses from 1873. > They were made from very delicate muslin, stamped with a geometric floral > pattern, full bell-shaped skirts, without even the slightest hint yet of > even the elliptical shape that was to come in the 1860's, let alone a > bustle silhouette (and no, they weren't displayed wrong). They both had > straight waists, no curve or point at all, long bishop-type sleeves ending > in a buttoned cuff. One buttoned down the front, one hooked down the back > (lovely cartridge pleating on both dresses), and so on. There was enough > attention to fashionable detail that the person who made the dresses did > =not= make them 20 years out of style. I put a comment card in at the > front desk and some time later actually received a call from the person > who (ostensibly) donated the gowns to the museum. Said they were made by > an ancestor (great grandmother or something like that) who made them when > she first came to the US in the 1870's. I'm afraid I argued with him, > cited several standard costume texts that he could reference for > comparison, mentioned all the points I stated above, but he > was...unconvinced, shall we say. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 21:24:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G1OoVu017041 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:24:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G1OZ6l032614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:24:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G1O5Uc057904 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:24:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G1O4Yw045409; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:24:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G1O13K045346 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:24:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.c32.fcd28cb (41809) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:23:50 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b244c6f5-06f5-4c79-81f3-c05568a12a9a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4622D053.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO definitely not an evening dress. looks like an afternoon / walking / visiting (you get the idea!) dress to me. it's always possible that it had / has a second bodice that was cut as an evening bodice that they aren't showing - there are several dresses that do - but as it's pictured, it's not a formal evening dress _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 21:36:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G1axHb017567 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:36:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G1aj0I011752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:36:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G1aH8k060025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G1aGgM051411; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G1aDrg051384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.238] (209-148-118-238.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3G1aBIb018848 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:36:12 -0700 Message-ID: <4622D317.40605@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 18:36:23 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu><001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <462126F8.4090903@lavoltapress.com> <005e01c77f5c$b673f540$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> In-Reply-To: <005e01c77f5c$b673f540$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2fd6ae28-fcf9-4eb1-ac4a-ef7d90ce64ca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4622D32D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks! Is it OK if I pass this email on to another list where I mentioned the auction? Thanks, Fran LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > Fran, I just re-read your question and the awnser is No. Alas. the > first day sale will be a ton of jewelry ( Not mine), the remainder of my > hats (not included in the catalogue; probably about 50/75), books > related to fashion/costuming (my contrib to this catagory are > movie/theater and a few collection guides). Also probably about 500 > pieces of vintage clothing (1940s/90s), and my purses of leather, > crochet, mesh, and beading; a few compacts and pill boxes; shoes > (19thC-20thC). There are also other consiners with hats, purses, and > other stuff related to fashion. > > The catalogue of 300 plus lots comprises about 1000 pieces. I saved a > few of the dresses and gowns that fit Me, also several of my best hats > which I wear on many occasions, and most of my significant lace collection. > > Yesterday I put together two dolls using some of my recent e-Bay > purchases. One is a Gwenivere designed in the early 1960s; the other is > a gorgeous Bru repro with red hair. I used the Seeley body pattern this > time and have your books at the ready for the wardrobe. I have found > that your pattern shapes as scaled can be used directly for dolls of the > 18" scale. So, let my new career begin! > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement > > >> Three Rivers has not posted an online catalog of the first day of >> this. Are they going to? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Fran >> http://www.lavoltapress.com >> >> LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: >> >>> Yes Kathy , it is in a way. But my 'children' need to grow and get >>> on in the world. Some of them have led a very reclusive life...and >>> that is why they are beautiful. Getting on in age, myself, continuing >>> the care necessary for the preservation and Conservation of such a >>> wonderful collection will only become more complicated. And so, I >>> challenge another generation to take up cause. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 21:57:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G1vDk8018571 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:57:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G1uxNS013500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:57:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G1tYve063303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:55:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G1tXFM060615; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3G1tT47060532 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 80395 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 01:55:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.153.47 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 01:55:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sbnZqTgVM1mb5Zh3uTPQnA3fXMKqEO7fC3FHEVszp7iWoy9Z.I2.f3RNcBljDvzf4qhhvyDJntKSYlxrN70KoYhwzWo- Message-ID: <005c01c77fca$4a534140$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu><001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><462126F8.4090903@lavoltapress.com><005e01c77f5c$b673f540$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <4622D317.40605@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:55:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74c0c81d-e574-4827-a03b-f8c3f338705d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4622D7EB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran - That will be fine, and thanks! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement > Thanks! Is it OK if I pass this email on to another list where I > mentioned the auction? > > Thanks, > > Fran > > LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > >> Fran, I just re-read your question and the awnser is No. Alas. the first >> day sale will be a ton of jewelry ( Not mine), the remainder of my hats >> (not included in the catalogue; probably about 50/75), books related to >> fashion/costuming (my contrib to this catagory are movie/theater and a >> few collection guides). Also probably about 500 pieces of vintage >> clothing (1940s/90s), and my purses of leather, crochet, mesh, and >> beading; a few compacts and pill boxes; shoes (19thC-20thC). There are >> also other consiners with hats, purses, and other stuff related to >> fashion. >> >> The catalogue of 300 plus lots comprises about 1000 pieces. I saved a >> few of the dresses and gowns that fit Me, also several of my best hats >> which I wear on many occasions, and most of my significant lace >> collection. >> >> Yesterday I put together two dolls using some of my recent e-Bay >> purchases. One is a Gwenivere designed in the early 1960s; the other is a >> gorgeous Bru repro with red hair. I used the Seeley body pattern this >> time and have your books at the ready for the wardrobe. I have found >> that your pattern shapes as scaled can be used directly for dolls of the >> 18" scale. So, let my new career begin! >> >> Kathleen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" >> >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement >> >> >>> Three Rivers has not posted an online catalog of the first day of this. >>> Are they going to? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Fran >>> http://www.lavoltapress.com >>> >>> LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: >>> >>>> Yes Kathy , it is in a way. But my 'children' need to grow and get on >>>> in the world. Some of them have led a very reclusive life...and that >>>> is why they are beautiful. Getting on in age, myself, continuing the >>>> care necessary for the preservation and Conservation of such a >>>> wonderful collection will only become more complicated. And so, I >>>> challenge another generation to take up cause. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 22:35:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G2ZUvp020239 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:35:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G2ZHdM025598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:35:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G2Y4GD069470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G2Y006080177; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G2XvYc080117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.238] (209-148-118-238.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.238]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3G2XtPR006767 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:33:56 -0700 Message-ID: <4622E0A2.20303@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:34:10 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu><001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><462126F8.4090903@lavoltapress.com><005e01c77f5c$b673f540$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <4622D317.40605@lavoltapress.com> <005c01c77fca$4a534140$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> In-Reply-To: <005c01c77fca$4a534140$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d13019ee-f19a-4ed6-8ef1-042c65988d7f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4622E0E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I could never bring myself to part with my stuff . . . Thanks. Fran LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > Fran - > > That will be fine, and thanks! > > Kathleen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement > > >> Thanks! Is it OK if I pass this email on to another list where I >> mentioned the auction? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Fran >> >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 23:33:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G3Xi6v023126 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:33:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G3XUHG017780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:33:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G3WgQZ079119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G3Wcm8008827; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:32:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G3Wa3J008804 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:32:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tartanwaffle@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so1477654wra for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:32:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jGTBWzjTUP400XQB2UFHl56jxLpUPspCE4TSdLA+KApz3xB9xadKRmsk6i4mE4WJBHLessxeGF/rgvqSpTlvBtFS3BiFeqS8FoAzxaZLJZj3O+rDfcJsKrggqNvJHwljfZCx/KtfR7H4Ut78mu5dqft/tdQPP0S+0yE8ddjEM2A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=kmT1Nmj1Y3/rH9IJIJK7qZ5OofnMdRJ2/mLgh7IZkBWBBHUMcO5qJLxa7iNmIIMwX8zSviL37wvEKjghOaR8rLXamn+L1cO60Eb0BGiXocq1qljOrcEJad65/7BSZbwO4S4gK0Tw8DVm3u05RbrPgdb1zOXUu2Be42kPm/obsZI= Received: by 10.114.210.2 with SMTP id i2mr1732580wag.1176694352927; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.77.3 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:32:32 -0700 From: "Anna Zola Piggie Rethie" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b761993d-9363-4233-aee4-4988a55770b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4622EE8A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm writing a paper and making a posterboard about theatrical costume in the 18th century (particularly as relates to productions of The Recruiting Officer by George Farquhar, though that's not really necessary), and since I know there are several people here who know a great deal about 18th century costume in general I thought I'd ask if anyone knew of any resources (websites, books, etc) about the subject. Pictures also would be very useful, since nobody really looks at a posterboard unless it has pretty pictures. :D Please and thank you, - Anna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 23:46:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G3kwMZ023711 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:46:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G3kjca013229 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:46:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G3jbAJ081411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G3jWkP014703; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:45:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G3jTAT014633 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31459CBC9E for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:45:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4622F180.8050107@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:46:08 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d75ac132-8d4f-4602-8d7d-cc43d265a900 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4622F1A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 15 23:53:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G3rIcL024047 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:53:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G3r45H024222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:53:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G3qXOS082672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G3qWqw018074; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:52:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G3qTwJ018017 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:52:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (59.birmingham-06rh15rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.177.59]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20070416035202112003r2h6e>; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:52:18 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c77fda$9ccedff0$3bb14a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704152132.l3FLWLhx015955@net.indra.com><4622ACE8.1060107@worldnet.att.net> <200704152322.l3FNM6Ae079441@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:50:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5197a9d3-1d1a-4fb3-b2a1-7544bc31d25a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4622F320.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 00:43:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G4hhhW026828 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:43:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G4hTni032057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:43:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G4gj3V090992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:42:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G4ggIU040587; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:42:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay1.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G4gaOT040534 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:42:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15051147-1804220 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:43:13 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [210.9.140.6]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 39286221-1803868 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:40:41 +1000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:42:34 +1000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss From: Aylwen & John Garden To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Dotted Swiss Thread-Index: Acd/4aZu5PwdVOvUEdu2UAADk7ERAA== In-Reply-To: <200704151301.l3FD14NV019572@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-ShareWhite: 210.9.140.6 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.140.6 X-Originating-IP: 210.9.140.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4182f6e6-2b59-43ad-8b4e-290b348dc331 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4622FEF1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I don't know the price, but I've seen dotted swiss at http://www.farmhousefabrics.com Cheers, Aylwen On 15/4/07 11:00 PM, "Dianne & Greg Stucki" wrote: > At 09:13 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: >> I was looking for dotted swiss for a show I was costuming last fall. >> It was impossible to find white on white at a reasonable price. I >> don't think the fabric has been in style since the 1950s when my >> play took place. Lots of little girl dresses were made of it >> then. I finally found 1 yard on an auction website. >> >> Sylrog > > > I needed some a couple of years ago to make a chemise for > someone--the price of it simply boggled my mind! > > Dianne > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 01:49:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G5nnkS030327 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:49:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G5nala022743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:49:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G5mVGJ001450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:48:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G5mQX9069454; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:48:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G5mNAU069399 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:48:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.50]) by bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:48:18 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:48:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:48:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.133.199.144] X-Originating-Email: [praxis_729@hotmail.com] X-Sender: praxis_729@hotmail.com From: "Paula Praxis" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:48:15 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2007 05:48:17.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[D52D5060:01C77FEA] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c0f2988d-5c4f-42a8-94d3-f4e3141880cc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46230E70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I totally agree with you. Those long sleeves and high neck are more of a waking dress. I made a similar one - smaller bustle - about 9 years ago. I don't think this will post to the general h-costume community, but for what it's worth I agree with you. I also live in the LA area and am planning on seeing the exhibit soon. Paula S. >From: Kiloran@worldnet.att.net >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 15:53:28 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by >bay0-mc3-f8.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 15 >Apr 2007 15:59:28 -0700 >Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by >www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id >l3FMwskX008429(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 >verify=OK);Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:58:54 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from >h-costume-bounces@indra.com) >Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com >(8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FMwJJw066086;Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:58:45 >-0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) >Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net >(mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net[204.127.131.116])by net.indra.com >(8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3FMwGQH066009for ; Sun, >15 Apr 2007 16:58:18 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from Kiloran@worldnet.att.net) >Received: from >[67.101.52.167](h-67-101-52-167.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net[67.101.52.167])by >worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with ESMTPid <20070415225811112004gptue>; Sun, >15 Apr 2007 22:58:11 +0000 >X-Message-Info: >LsUYwwHHNt3X4GaO9gjj5/euvkJh7OrueqL3NO80V6gwCZtBWXc0+zrcqHBy2vW4 >User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) >References: <200704152132.l3FLWLhx015955@net.indra.com> >X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% >X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Historical Costume >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2007 22:59:28.0709 (UTC) >FILETIME=[B8A4B750:01C77FB1] > >I would appreciate some feedback from the list members on this item that is >nagging at me. > >The Autry Museum here in Los Angeles has just opened a new exhibit called >"California Style: Art and Fashion from the California Historical Society". >Here is a link to the museum's main page: >http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/ > >One of the items they are using to showcase the exhibit is right there on >the front page, a red velvet dress circa 1883. Here's a link to the page on >the dress itself: http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/california4.php > >The thing that is really nagging at me is they keep calling it an evening >dress and it really isn't an evening. You =might= get away with calling it >a "dinner" dress, but not an evening dress proper. Granted, I'm a costumer, >so I tend to notice these details, but that mis-identification seems pretty >blatant to me, and I was wondering if it struck anyone else that way, too. > >Thanks for your input, >Julie > >PS - This isn't the first time I've encountered the mis-identification of a >costume at the Autry. Several years ago they had two dresses on display in >the front lobby that were very clearly mid-1850's, and yet the card >identified them as 1873. Trust me, no way were these dresses from 1873. >They were made from very delicate muslin, stamped with a geometric floral >pattern, full bell-shaped skirts, without even the slightest hint yet of >even the elliptical shape that was to come in the 1860's, let alone a >bustle silhouette (and no, they weren't displayed wrong). They both had >straight waists, no curve or point at all, long bishop-type sleeves ending >in a buttoned cuff. One buttoned down the front, one hooked down the back >(lovely cartridge pleating on both dresses), and so on. There was enough >attention to fashionable detail that the person who made the dresses did >=not= make them 20 years out of style. I put a comment card in at the front >desk and some time later actually received a call from the person who >(ostensibly) donated the gowns to the museum. Said they were made by an >ancestor (great grandmother or something like that) who made them when she >first came to the US in the 1870's. I'm afraid I argued with him, cited >several standard costume texts that he could reference for comparison, >mentioned all the points I stated above, but he was...unconvinced, shall we >say. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John.  Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 05:44:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G9iCWw019792 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:44:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3G9hxdo007444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:44:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3G9govA027702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G9gjfl079271; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:42:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3G9ggNG079226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 03:42:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id 9C172D44AB; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:42:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CFAD4378 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:38:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 05:38:37 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000e01c7800b$027fe440$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acd/xGlIapbeZXCWRAuAmZHw6mftAgARiq4g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <200704160109.l3G19j9M037954@net.indra.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Regency Hats and Bonnets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6940db6-89c0-4d59-afae-ebe5818585da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4623455F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/761 - Release Date: 4/14/2007 9:36 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 08:53:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GCruAK015172 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:53:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3GCrgLs023366 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:53:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3GCqjwK059695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:52:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GCqcXh088834; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3GCqZK3088726 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 06:52:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 59410 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2007 12:52:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.244.234 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2007 12:52:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: jZz42y0VM1kGd0hLz6ZvstLNSKTxX7becxc7jjjqB.nxGx649rMLBfppRcbphTp385adMWTHrCRhFmiuzN2SzJzqFPkKbk_4g1TmxNhK3l_IxuFQPewM Message-ID: <002c01c78026$1644aae0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704152132.l3FLWLhx015955@net.indra.com><4622ACE8.1060107@worldnet.att.net><200704152322.l3FNM6Ae079441@net.indra.com> <001101c77fda$9ccedff0$3bb14a0c@toshibauser> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:52:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 654adf12-7cbc-40d0-aa3e-5b91d50376fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462371D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My favorite "questionable" is in a historical museum in NH. It features a lovely silk Regency dress as being 1778; the direct donor was a family member! Another dress in the same museum presents a turn-of-the-20 century cotton print two piece ensemble as a 'Lowell mills' dress from the 1870s. I am a bit of a 'wrong dating' snob and have taken many opportunities to ask for a date correction when I encounter them in the market place. And we all know that anything older than 10 years is an antique! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Questionable identification on exhibit item > It is most likely a mis-identification by the donor. This is always a > problem for museums. > Margaret > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 09:23:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GDNBgd016590 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:23:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3GDMvqL007335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:23:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3GDMG4W064011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:22:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GDMF3P009500; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GDMBPi009380 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:22:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070416132205.XVKC17113.fep33.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:22:05 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.58]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070416132205.DFTW6126.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:22:05 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c7802a$52290430$3a43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:22:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.67.58] at Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:21:59 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=44% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b33926d2-61e6-48e4-95f0-44ddf4de04b2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462378B1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The specific play you refers to is american? I know that in 18th century Copenhagen, they used ordinary fashionable clothes in plays. The noblemen gave away their court suits to the theaters, as they could not give away such fine clothes to their servants, because they were not allowed to wear it. This is the gentlemens costumes. I guess the same was used for female costumes. I have some prints from Galleries des Modes et Costumes francaise wich shows opera costumes, they are all looking like 18th century fashionable clothes, except they are embellished with symbols. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anna Zola Piggie Rethie" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:32 AM Subject: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes > I'm writing a paper and making a posterboard about theatrical costume in > the > 18th century (particularly as relates to productions of The Recruiting > Officer by George Farquhar, though that's not really necessary), and since > I > know there are several people here who know a great deal about 18th > century > costume in general I thought I'd ask if anyone knew of any resources > (websites, books, etc) about the subject. Pictures also would be very > useful, since nobody really looks at a posterboard unless it has pretty > pictures. :D > > Please and thank you, > > - Anna > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 09:57:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GDvabE018198 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:57:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3GDvNFT018970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:57:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3GDtFKO068957 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:55:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GDtCVx034289; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:55:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GDt80s034205 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:55:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.28280199; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:54:48 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l3GDsmG09446.; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:54:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:54:47 +0100 Message-Id: <46238E2702000014000CF623@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:54:31 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes References: <200704161322.l3GDMGja009515@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200704161322.l3GDMGja009515@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a0a145b-a535-40ef-b950-2fe59becfe3d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462380C3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.1, clamav-milter version 0.90.1 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes To: "Historical Costume" "The Recruiting Officer" was written by an Irishman but is set in Shrewsbury, England. AFAIK it has a contemporary setting, so the actors would have worn ordinary clothes (or uniform for the military characters, of course). Message-ID: <001301c7802a$52290430$3a43a150@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response The specific play you refers to is american? I know that in 18th century Copenhagen, they used ordinary fashionable clothes in plays. The noblemen gave away their court suits to the theaters, as they could not give away such fine clothes to their servants, because they were not allowed to wear it. This is the gentlemens costumes. I guess the same was used for female costumes. I have some prints from Galleries des Modes et Costumes francaise wich shows opera costumes, they are all looking like 18th century fashionable clothes, except they are embellished with symbols. Bjarne Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 12:46:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GGkaDY026822 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:46:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3GGkMdD028416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:46:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3GGitjV097462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GGiAjp095131; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:44:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3GGi3qp094952 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:44:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 1990 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2007 16:43:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=44JakCalTGHm4jejtpWtJlDkAaL5VrFAv0rSJqPVIb058Y7pg/pcWh2I0RBvwEACiAfBGMyMUB8HACsiJxXrE39eG+PrNJ9TDBclQuCNV9UWUaCQU3i+vyP1m0beLaJUDsfqD2dmJfnIKdqjBDjWCvrXyse5QVHdNczoSzUM3S8= ; Message-ID: <20070416164357.1988.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7.3zsXAVM1nilWtlai3tQBq3XzJIWfX8eI0K75NZ6AV2fVGArUweKFoJUQWS_736tP4IIRmO8K.a2bCv1P4CwYjta8ss.zK1QPj4LmEA5CZFJMlaBOpdeLRfLHNrdQ-- Received: from [208.179.44.218] by web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:43:57 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Closure on June gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f5ffda9-d2d8-4001-82db-21f4d52b6aea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4623A85E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was pretty sure it's a romanticised peasant dress. That blue wouldn't last long in the sunny fields, but I just love it. and since I'm not actually doing much harvesting these days, I'll have it to stroll around the tourney field or teach a class in, or whatever. Thanks, Robin! MaggiRos --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, MaggiRos wrote: > > > I'm finally making this dress: > > > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/work/jdb06b.jpg > > > > Obviously it laces up, so here's the question: > How? > > It's not evident even in a very good reproduction, > but I'd assume, at this > time and place, that it's lacing holes in the > fabric. > > > Oh and while I'm at it (this is so not my period) > what would you say > > is the shape of the veil? Oval, rectangle, or some > combination? All > > observations welcome. > > Rectangle. There's one corner hanging just behind > the top of her right > shoulder. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 17:05:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GL5Dhr010594 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:05:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3GL506q011359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:05:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3GL2uM0037475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GL2n6D040437; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:02:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5.stmo2.socket.net [216.106.26.209] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GL2jdV040377 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:02:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CA1C2367BC for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:02:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:03:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <20070416164357.1988.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2b15dc6-f183-4807-878d-86400088e9b9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4623E4FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What makes you think it is romanticised? Peasants wore blues, reds, yellows,...wide range of colors, not just earth tones. De -----Original Message----- I was pretty sure it's a romanticised peasant dress. That blue wouldn't last long in the sunny fields, but I just love it. and since I'm not actually doing much harvesting these days, I'll have it to stroll around the tourney field or teach a class in, or whatever. Thanks, Robin! MaggiRos --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > I'm finally making this dress: > > > > http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/work/jdb06b.jpg > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 18:08:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GM89hD013424 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:08:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3GM7qOg030747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:07:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3GM6WFr048431 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:06:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GM6Pj1001827; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:06:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GI4WnP074674 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:04:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070416180424.HMXS19409.fep32.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:04:24 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.58]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070416180424.LLMW1370.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:04:24 +0200 Message-ID: <000901c78051$c1a65c00$3a43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleating a francaise Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:05:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.67.58] at Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:04:19 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=37% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3aa9e45a-8f92-4599-94c8-5163b673c7ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4623F3B9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Thanks for your thoaghts............. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] pleating a francaise > > In a message dated 4/15/2007 4:47:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > drewscph@post12.tele.dk writes: > > So my question is: What date > would you suggest the drawing of the lady to be? My guess was mid > eighteenth > century, but now i am not so sertain any more because of the pleats in > the > back. > > > > ******************** > > > What gives it away for me is the CF opening of the stomacher. That makes > me > think 1770's. That would also be in keeping with the smaller back pleats. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 18:48:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GMmstW015340 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:48:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3GMme7X007328 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:48:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3GMlajs055173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GMlZtS038840; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:47:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GMlVYS038767 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:47:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20194 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:42:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:42:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5ceef7ec-af47-4116-9cba-8d184204688c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4623FD48.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, otsisto wrote: > What makes you think it is romanticised? > Peasants wore blues, reds, yellows,...wide range of colors, not just earth > tones. First off, the blue in question is lapis/ultramarine, a shade not achievable in fabric dyes at this time. It is used in very rich manuscripts such as this, and not normally this liberally but this is an extraordinary manuscript. But yes, peasants wore a wide range of colors, including blues. In fact, blue was probably the cheapest purchased dyed fabric at this time. I consider the image to be romanticized for reasons other than color. In particular, this is the only image I have seen of a peasant wearing a tightly fitted dress, a style popular among the upper class and moneyed middle class. Although it would be physically possible to do fieldwork in this sort of gown, it would be an unlikely choice, and not economically viable for women of this class for a variety of reasons. Such a dress is more expensive to make; it would not hold up as well to hard work as would a looser dress with fewer curved seams and less stress on the seams, and thus would need replacement sooner; and it is not as easily passed down to other wearers as a less fitted dress. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 19:13:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GNDQCS016436 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:13:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3GNDC9X015026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:13:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3GNC4Wn058727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:12:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GNC0ZF059202; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GNBwwi059163 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:12:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A9D2139B4D for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:11:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:12:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4691d7df-9780-4337-a32f-f0a1b8dbce99 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46240308.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Had not thought about easement. Though not in that shade of blue, could it have been a hand-me-down? De -----Original Message----- First off, the blue in question is lapis/ultramarine, a shade not achievable in fabric dyes at this time. It is used in very rich manuscripts such as this, and not normally this liberally but this is an extraordinary manuscript. But yes, peasants wore a wide range of colors, including blues. In fact, blue was probably the cheapest purchased dyed fabric at this time. I consider the image to be romanticized for reasons other than color. In particular, this is the only image I have seen of a peasant wearing a tightly fitted dress, a style popular among the upper class and moneyed middle class. Although it would be physically possible to do fieldwork in this sort of gown, it would be an unlikely choice, and not economically viable for women of this class for a variety of reasons. Such a dress is more expensive to make; it would not hold up as well to hard work as would a looser dress with fewer curved seams and less stress on the seams, and thus would need replacement sooner; and it is not as easily passed down to other wearers as a less fitted dress. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 19:44:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GNiXHe017854 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:44:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3GNiJm7005825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:44:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3GNhUjf063204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:43:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GNhQkN081664; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3GNhMBG081612 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:43:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20468 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:38:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:38:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bfdaba90-77f9-4080-aa5c-463625baff3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46240A53.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, otsisto wrote: > Had not thought about easement. Though not in that shade of blue, > could it have been a hand-me-down? Read again what I wrote (copied below). 1. That shade of blue did not exist in fabric. Woad blue would be perfectly reasonable for all classes. 2. Ease of movement is not so much an issue in a well-made fitted dress, but expense is, and so is shorter garment life under hard stress. 3. That kind of dress is harder to hand down without refitting; it can be done, but is not as economically feasible for the lower classes compared with looser dresses (both because of the fitting issue and also the likelihood that the dress would not survive substantial hard work long enough to be handed down). It is certainly possible that a middle-class woman might hand down a dress to a lower-class woman, but more likely that such a dress would be kept in the family or -- if given to someone of lower class -- be given to a domestic servant, not a field worker. Here's what I wrote earlier: > First off, the blue in question is lapis/ultramarine, a shade not > achievable in fabric dyes at this time. It is used in very rich > manuscripts such as this, and not normally this liberally but this is > an extraordinary manuscript. But yes, peasants wore a wide range of > colors, including blues. In fact, blue was probably the cheapest > purchased dyed fabric at this time. > > I consider the image to be romanticized for reasons other than color. > In particular, this is the only image I have seen of a peasant wearing > a tightly fitted dress, a style popular among the upper class and > moneyed middle class. Although it would be physically possible to do > fieldwork in this sort of gown, it would be an unlikely choice, and > not economically viable for women of this class for a variety of > reasons. Such a dress is more expensive to make; it would not hold up > as well to hard work as would a looser dress with fewer curved seams > and less stress on the seams, and thus would need replacement sooner; > and it is not as easily passed down to other wearers as a less fitted > dress. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 21:30:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H1Uh8D022992 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:30:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3H1UUk9022373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:30:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3H1TO11076621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:29:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H1THAD054076; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:29:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H1TGXJ054056 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:29:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tartanwaffle@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i31so1765366wra for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:29:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JI3FAtrvIgDSUBveSfbfdiwS7JynXdLQoDy+tbMT3vDuGpMhnn/jPwyaT16sAVNOc8CVp5Rs11e8G7AT4bzmRSdca4ISh7xLi6ia0u5cIXJMqq+tnKlP5JU0a4DZvdOgxQW63hqE0ZgXFYvt98EBmvHnbsY08mn7E4u/PDeTyAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ozW9vPLQ04NRhTh8mNc2iLH5mGuEKexlfSLPC3LfaMbTkwt9pkc/48bspr32qx7DI0ari4rvwP5c8emyqiFRTwOMZ6i1Ixx3c5FUTZdWW1H1sWcMTPo54n/nloSI7mNCzY1gemHJA3kslfPGwW02W9WObLYJWNAxNT+KTXe1sME= Received: by 10.115.75.1 with SMTP id c1mr2181407wal.1176773355585; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.75.11 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:29:15 -0700 From: "Anna Zola Piggie Rethie" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century theatre costumes X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b0ecc85-136b-4486-85d5-5ef16cfb4541 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46242336.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm talking mostly about Britain, but any information relating to other countries is also perfectly welcome. That's really interesting about the gentlemen's court suits in Denmark. I'm talking both about The Recruiting Officer as performed when it was first written (1706), and as it was performed by the British convicts in Australia in 1789. It is a comedy, I know that would also probably effect the way it would be costumed. Of course the version of it performed in Australia would have necessarily much simpler clothes. I'm also looking at this from the point of view of being someone who is costuming a play about the convicts who put on The Recruiting Officer in Australia. I have to come up with some sort of costumes for the convicts as their characters in The Recruiting Officer. So far as I know and can remember, there's no documentation of anything about that 1789 production other than that it happened and that it was directed by Lieutenant Ralph Clark. -Anna _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 22:13:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H2Da1u025097 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:13:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3H2DMjV002739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:13:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3H2CTcP081775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:12:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H2CPV7082720; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:12:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H2CMPv082619 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:12:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bear_janet@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.85]) by bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:12:17 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:12:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 71.121.78.164 by BAY106-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:12:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.121.78.164] X-Originating-Email: [bear_janet@msn.com] X-Sender: bear_janet@msn.com From: "JAMES OGILVIE" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:12:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 8.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V8.50.0017.1202 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:12:31 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Apr 2007 02:12:17.0061 (UTC) FILETIME=[D254E550:01C78095] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 106b3b59-65f7-4312-a0cc-3e299b654c75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46242D43.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This may be too late to be of any use to you (1799-1849) but the New = York Public Library has a nice collection of theater cards showing = actors in their costumes: http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?topic=3D= arts&collection=3DPennyPlainsandTwopen&col_id=3D152 The costumes don't look like regular clothes of the time - they are very = exaggerated and over-the-top. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 22:32:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H2WLft026184 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:32:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3H2W7OC010298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:32:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3H2V4mE083650 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:31:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H2UvUY094439; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H2UpJW094393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.120] (209-148-118-120.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3H2UnJ5002097 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:30:50 -0700 Message-ID: <46243169.9090407@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:31:05 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Book shipping rates X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed20ec63-f1ba-475b-bf24-5daaa76f5f61 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462431A7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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A lot of booksellers are complaining, but all the USPS is doing is making noises about maybe studying the issue sometime. In other words, probably nothing. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 22:52:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H2qSii027254 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:52:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3H2qEAw023853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:52:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3H2pUhV086071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H2pSdK008185; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H2pP7G008129 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:51:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 28BD53EF1C for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:51:25 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:52:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aefe8766-1934-428d-b146-ad90b3c46307 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4624365E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I got the blue part that is why I said "not in that shade of blue". :) I was thinking about upper class donating to churches and the churches handing to the masses. But I see your point and such a dress, if by some means got into the hands of a farmer gal, it would more likely be used as her Sunday best then out in the fields. De -----Original Message----- On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, otsisto wrote: > Had not thought about easement. Though not in that shade of blue, > could it have been a hand-me-down? Read again what I wrote (copied below). 1. That shade of blue did not exist in fabric. Woad blue would be perfectly reasonable for all classes. 2. Ease of movement is not so much an issue in a well-made fitted dress, but expense is, and so is shorter garment life under hard stress. 3. That kind of dress is harder to hand down without refitting; it can be done, but is not as economically feasible for the lower classes compared with looser dresses (both because of the fitting issue and also the likelihood that the dress would not survive substantial hard work long enough to be handed down). It is certainly possible that a middle-class woman might hand down a dress to a lower-class woman, but more likely that such a dress would be kept in the family or -- if given to someone of lower class -- be given to a domestic servant, not a field worker. snip > I consider the image to be romanticized for reasons other than color. > In particular, this is the only image I have seen of a peasant wearing > a tightly fitted dress, a style popular among the upper class and > moneyed middle class. Although it would be physically possible to do > fieldwork in this sort of gown, it would be an unlikely choice, and > not economically viable for women of this class for a variety of > reasons. Such a dress is more expensive to make; it would not hold up > as well to hard work as would a looser dress with fewer curved seams > and less stress on the seams, and thus would need replacement sooner; > and it is not as easily passed down to other wearers as a less fitted > dress. > > --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 16 23:10:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H3AYDn028109 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:10:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3H3AKpd016934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:10:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3H39ncA088058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H39mTT020072; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:09:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3H39ic9020023 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21200 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:04:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:04:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 543e27b7-4669-4b82-bd1b-08de79c34875 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46243A9C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, otsisto wrote: > I got the blue part that is why I said "not in that shade of blue". :) Ah, I see, I parsed the sentence a little differently ... sorry! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 17 12:06:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HG6iAO003034 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:06:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3HG6UC2024643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:06:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3HG5MMH081284 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:05:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HG5FnV037398; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:05:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3HG5AeZ037117 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:05:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95634 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2007 16:05:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Qz1Hiu1brF5qCAQB7qrlneW9MeL61b9l2VSictSntgRa5mcvzLec5vV1oEOdoIb0dURpfz2WEf0OswLtMaFrdGFPQ9EOuvKR39udGsXd1QRzucRzdHwEmwHtWfEBRaMdirR2L/DBZRWZbvUSS4k8j9Y+d+6O5VQzC6HqBAVZM9k=; X-YMail-OSG: rRr3dJQVM1nmozhs54jj2Acl1GDzWYQ6mfbtThdt6_HXgwqFCL8mCVtYtwalua.cOuEsEIoV7w-- Received: from [208.179.44.218] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:05:03 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:05:03 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <860496.91775.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49554876-16d4-49f9-8032-bf5d6fd7111e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4624F086.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In the end, the pattern I used is much more like a working gown that a fitted, multi-seamed gown. In fact, it's only got the two side seams, with the width of the skirt built in. (I started with a mundane tunic pattern where you lay the piece on the fold. Then I pin one pin at the center top then swing the bottom corner way out away from the center.) The only curve is a little nip at the side seam waist. It was easy, I can do it myself in the middle of the night, and it's easy to adjust. I also just have too much tummy and too little bosom for a Medieval Fitted Gown to look anything but dumpy on me. (That's the Elizabethan in me, squeaking complaint.) I'll do pictures as soon as it's done. So except for the richness of the blue, and the fineness of the wool, it would probably pass for a house servant's dress. I prefer to think of it as Her Ladyship supervising the spring cleaning at the manor house. Thanks for all the notes. MaggiRos --- Robin Netherton wrote: > I consider the image to be romanticized for reasons > other than color. In > particular, this is the only image I have seen of a > peasant wearing a > tightly fitted dress, a style popular among the > upper class and moneyed > middle class. Although it would be physically > possible to do fieldwork in > this sort of gown, it would be an unlikely choice, > and not economically > viable for women of this class for a variety of > reasons. Such a dress is > more expensive to make; it would not hold up as well > to hard work as would > a looser dress with fewer curved seams and less > stress on the seams, and > thus would need replacement sooner; and it is not as > easily passed down to > other wearers as a less fitted dress. > > --Robi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 17 12:24:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HGOMZ2003716 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:24:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3HGO8dv032672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:24:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3HGNCMH087663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:23:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HGN9xf060170; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:23:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch5.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HGN4Aw059993 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:23:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:22:58 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <860496.91775.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Closure on June gown Thread-Index: AceBCmvmaLNgAX2OSSy8e8FWAuWgaQAAJdJQ References: <860496.91775.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b3719537-11fe-4ca1-8a84-3d13b1c426cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4624F4A9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Years ago, new to reenacting, I made one of these, too. My skill level was much lower then. I basically made a t-tunic and made sure to make it too small, so the front opening was necessary. I no longer have the thing but I do remember that it was easy to make and the lacing did all the fitting for me and I lent it to other women who were different sizes and it still worked. If I recall, I didn't have a lot of fabric and was able to make a dress with a pretty decent amount of skirt (gores). And I do know that I didn't have a lot of scrap left over, so it was a pretty efficient use of material. Now, what I made was a glorified T-tunic. And I understand that this might not have been the approach a peasant woman of the day would have taken. But the look was achievable by at least one method of simple cutting not that far removed from the looser peasant approach to clothing construction. I don't doubt the June scene is somewhat idyllic. But I don't think that means such dresses were never worn at all by peasants. Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 17 12:43:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HGhl1J004458 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:43:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3HGhXuO015437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:43:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3HGe6aI093694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:40:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HGdx3r080391; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:40:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HGdrpp080262 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:39:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23733 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:34:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:34:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4709298d-4865-4db3-b7fb-1ab15f7a60b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4624F935.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Schaeffer, Astrida wrote: > ... Now, what I made was a glorified T-tunic. And I understand that > this might not have been the approach a peasant woman of the day would > have taken. But the look was achievable by at least one method of > simple cutting not that far removed from the looser peasant approach > to clothing construction. > > I don't doubt the June scene is somewhat idyllic. But I don't think > that means such dresses were never worn at all by peasants. I think there's a long scale between "unfitted" and "highly fitted"; it's not an either-or situation. The style that I was suggesting was unlikely to be routinely worn by peasants is the highly fitted, bust-elevating, body-manipulating type. (Note I say "unlikely" and "routinely" here; I wouldn't say "never," but it's not a logical choice, and it's not supported by the evidence from the period.) The Limbourgs painted the June fieldworker in the same manner and with the same silhouette as they painted noblewomen; it's sort of a stock figure for them. This is the characteristic I find suspect when assessing the realism of the image. More realistically, you can get some gown shaping, as opposed to tight fitting, by doing exactly as you described above. If you're young, perky, and lucky, you may have something of the fashionable silhouette all on your own without the dress doing it for you, and a shaped dress will approximate the look. If you aren't young and perky, you'll need the dress to do more work, and that's where you get into the higher-class tailoring of the highly fitted dress. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 17 13:24:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HHOruv006054 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:24:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3HHOeMM013351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:24:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3HHLsDM002458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HHLnLw028752; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:21:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch5.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HHLUP6028377 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Closure on June gown Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:21:25 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Closure on June gown Thread-Index: AceBEntgTskuXxwIQteoBtvy6BmqSAAAiR7Q References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e4b4b32-747e-47ce-9faa-0b0d96389732 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462502D8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 >If you're young, perky, and lucky, you may have something of the=20 >fashionable silhouette all on your own without the dress doing=20 >it for you, and a shaped dress will approximate the look. If=20 >you aren't young and perky, you'll need the dress to do more=20 >work, and that's where you get into the higher-class tailoring=20 >of the highly fitted dress. Considering that I was in my early 20s, that may be why it worked! ; ) I should try the experiment again on my early 40s, post-baby body.... A ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 17 13:57:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HHvLBn007503 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:57:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3HHv7x5011881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:57:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3HHuQWb008649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HHuNwK068570; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HHuE75068381 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:56:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.28402193; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:55:55 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l3HHtsb01433.; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:55:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:55:54 +0100 Message-Id: <4625182E02000014000CF7EC@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:55:42 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200704171722.l3HHM37V029038@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200704171722.l3HHM37V029038@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: 18th century theatrical costumes. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 880515a5-816c-444b-9fe8-b188205cb088 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46250A73.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >This may be too late to be of any use to you (1799-1849) but the New York Public Library has a nice collection >of theater cards showing actors in their costumes: http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?topic=arts&collection=PennyPlainsandTwopen&col_id=152 >The costumes don't look like regular clothes of the time - they are very exaggerated and over-the-top. >Janet Great - I enjoyed browsing through these. To my eyes, the women's costumes look very much influenced by the current fashions of the1830s, which always do strike me as over-the-top. The "historical" and "exotic" costumes are pretty fanciful, but the numerous sailor characters are wearing pretty much what sailors of the time would have worn, at least for "best". Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 17 15:45:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HJjtx2011791 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:45:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3HJjf93022598 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:45:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3HJiVup024628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:44:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HJiPdq081383; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3HJiK05081232 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 16037 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2007 19:44:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.154.244 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2007 19:44:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CStSxvAVM1mt728D9Pl5KUQ8.SJxYaY20BB2pCUuBsoUV8qUtXqXYhimrmGdYKp_ycZMf1pzgSRkB6d4AderljLnubs- Message-ID: <006301c78128$c7e161a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu><001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><462126F8.4090903@lavoltapress.com><005e01c77f5c$b673f540$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><4622D317.40605@lavoltapress.com> <005c01c77fca$4a534140$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <4622E0A2.20303@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:44:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a630584-7dea-47aa-b331-15d9cd9fa1c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462523E5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran, I have just returned from the Auction hall. After telling me that the first day things would not be on line to see, I have just spent the last 7 hours photographing a goodly number of clothing that will be offered on the 28th. My instructions were to select some of the quality pieces that would be representative of the offerings for Day One. So, done! I hope you were able to bring up a picture listing of some of the assessories that will be featured on the 28th. Cheers, kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement >I could never bring myself to part with my stuff . . . Thanks. > > Fran > > > LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > >> Fran - >> >> That will be fine, and thanks! >> >> Kathleen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" >> >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement >> >> >>> Thanks! Is it OK if I pass this email on to another list where I >>> mentioned the auction? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Fran >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 17 16:41:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HKftEJ014068 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:41:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3HKfgs8017739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:41:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3HKf8IY033968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:41:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HKf5L6038868; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:41:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HKexZY038777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.141] (209-148-118-141.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3HKevJ3003182 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:40:58 -0700 Message-ID: <462530E9.2040508@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:41:13 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement References: <017801c778b8$08390a60$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><461A8A1B0200000C003D7DA8@WVUGW01.wvu.edu><001401c77afc$f6ac1b10$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><462126F8.4090903@lavoltapress.com><005e01c77f5c$b673f540$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD><4622D317.40605@lavoltapress.com> <005c01c77fca$4a534140$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <4622E0A2.20303@lavoltapress.com> <006301c78128$c7e161a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> In-Reply-To: <006301c78128$c7e161a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c0bec0b-b6fc-405e-909a-7bebe958dadc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46253106.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks for taking the time! I'll go look. Fran LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: > Fran, I have just returned from the Auction hall. After telling me that > the first day things would not be on line to see, I have just spent the > last 7 hours photographing a goodly number of clothing that will be > offered on the 28th. My instructions were to select some of the quality > pieces that would be representative of the offerings for Day One. So, > done! > > I hope you were able to bring up a picture listing of some of the > assessories that will be featured on the 28th. > > Cheers, kathleen > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:34 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement > > >> I could never bring myself to part with my stuff . . . Thanks. >> >> Fran >> >> >> LLOYD MITCHELL wrote: >> >>> Fran - >>> >>> That will be fine, and thanks! >>> >>> Kathleen >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" >>> >>> To: "Historical Costume" >>> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 9:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] lifetime antique/vintage costume dispersement >>> >>> >>>> Thanks! Is it OK if I pass this email on to another list where I >>>> mentioned the auction? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Fran >>>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 17 22:13:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I2D228023962 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:13:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3I2Cmab025988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:12:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3I2AwEb080451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:10:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I2AmMG098891; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:10:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from astro.systems.pipex.net (astro.systems.pipex.net [62.241.163.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HK3OlM001196 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:03:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from linda.walton@dsl.pipex.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (81-86-114-151.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.114.151]) by astro.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62D6E0002E2 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:03:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <462527BE.1090803@dsl.pipex.com> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:02:06 +0100 From: Linda Walton User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <200704171722.l3HHM37V029038@net.indra.com> <4625182E02000014000CF7EC@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4625182E02000014000CF7EC@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cavalier/Roundhead Lady Spies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44fb08e1-ce6e-4229-afbc-7f58c9f8cde2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46257EA0.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello ! While I was researching recently for an essay about local effects of the English Civil War, I came across this item in "The English Civil war: A People's History" by Diane Purkiss, (page 282). "Messengers, scouts and spies, including 'certain adventurous women' concealing secret dispatches in their voluminous skirts, passed to and fro, often using High Wycombe as their base." (High Wycombe - where I live - was about half way, (about 30 miles each way), between the royal court at Oxford and Parliamentary London, and had lots of inns and major markets.) This piece about the 'adventurous women' has excited my curiosity, so that I'd love to know how they might have hidden their dispatches. Unfortunately I've no idea what women were wearing at the time. Would they have sewn them into a hem? Tucked them into some sort of hip padding? Inside a lining? The author doesn't footnote her source, so I've no way of following up the story, but if anyone recognises it, I'd dearly love to know about that, too. From the context, it seems to refer to about 1643. Yours gratefully, Linda Walton, (of High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 17 22:13:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I2DuZC023984 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:13:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3I2DhUC026410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:13:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3I2DCxV080769 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3I2DBNl000577; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:13:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3HLfpiw097993 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AD5218370182; Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:34:10 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:42:25 -0700 Message-ID: <008101c78139$49e4aa30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Interesting that they costumed George IV, (r. 1820-1830), in quasi Elizabethan garb. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of JAMES OGILVIE Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 7:13 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 18th century theatre costumes This may be too late to be of any use to you (1799-1849) but the New = York Public Library has a nice collection of theater cards showing actors in their costumes: http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/explore/dgexplore.cfm?topic=3D= arts& collection=3DPennyPlainsandTwopen&col_id=3D152 The costumes don't look like regular clothes of the time - they are very exaggerated and over-the-top. Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 10:42:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IEg7oK011275 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:42:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IEfrx9026500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:41:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3IEepRC066727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:40:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IEej9L056799; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:40:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IEefig056644 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:40:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail14.att.net ([204.127.135.40]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <20070418144036113003ff8be>; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:40:36 +0000 Received: from [63.241.202.8] by mwebmail14.att.net; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:40:35 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:40:35 +0000 Message-Id: <041820071440.26124.46262DE2000DB6A80000660C21602807480A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Monkey Claw Buttons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fc2bd5a5-b67c-4f4b-af86-db881a92e93c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46262E32.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jane In NO VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 13:18:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IHIPUc017120 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:18:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IHIBuN006332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:18:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3IHH6rA090982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:17:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IHGwgn020033; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:16:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33614.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33614.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3IHGqtj019861 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:16:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from slc_fire@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 34752 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2007 17:16:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=S1Nq8uF+d3m3NEQn/7xhWmBdgzzcfAe4mhT0vcmGDU5FrfdfvV2RSkeCA8AgPhPsgxh2UkOxHD6az+PBUKnheawyixMFUdHIKKBUe6YvReWbDd1RgDIxkFXvLSMCZX9PfnZN4oy092n56HLCFuXmSirM6UxoZquDD7/1x3bBefM=; X-YMail-OSG: 7Jt9mI4VM1lIs6DSFwvrh4zeibDgH.iyuJpvcXNJddq3cyx041fH6K5KgrenjUQQitHFVqiYprIjz8XYPDvbFwSlRSZXx.dOIqwPwXhvSb7knQ2eTa3gkHqhhPRmJQ-- Received: from [66.110.201.67] by web33614.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:16:46 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: slc_fire Subject: Re: [h-cost] Monkey Claw Buttons To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <041820071440.26124.46262DE2000DB6A80000660C21602807480A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <936844.34733.qm@web33614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c78b211e-634b-4153-a7a2-b309de2d4635 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 462652D4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would love to have this link also! I did, however, learned how to make woven buttons recently. They are woven on a loom and look gorgeous. I can't wait to make more and add them to one of my Persian coats! Thanks! Sheree Jane Pease wrote: Recently on one of the lists, someone posted a site that had, in addition to frog closures, directions for making a monkey claw button (a round button made of cord). I did not save the site, and wouldn't you know, a few weeks later I need to make monkey claw buttons. Does any one remember the site we discussed, or another site with directions for monkey claw buttons? Pardon the cross-posting, those of you on multiple lists, and thanks in advance for your help, all. Jane In NO VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance! --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 14:06:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3II608N018819 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:06:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3II5kZq028126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:05:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3II4w6D099991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3II4rlO069947; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3II4mhE069846 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:04:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070418180447.BLEU19409.fep32.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:04:47 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.232]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070418180447.FSRY20303.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:04:47 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c781e4$2cee2680$e86ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704171722.l3HHM37V029038@net.indra.com><4625182E02000014000CF7EC@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> <462527BE.1090803@dsl.pipex.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cavalier/Roundhead Lady Spies Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:05:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.164.110.232] at Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:04:43 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=35% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a52dae72-7f9a-4c3b-ab9f-5214ed49b853 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46265DFA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Linda, Only not an english documentation, but danish. Leonora Christina, ran away from Denmark with all her jewels sewed into the linning of her boned bodice. She wrote this herself some years later in her french autobiography. Her husband had taken more than good from the danish state, and eventually had to escape out of the country. She had her documents sewed into her muf. Leonora Christina was illegitimate daughter of Christian IV of Denmark she was born in 1617. Later she was caught, and putten into prison for 21 years. In the later part of her inprisonment, she was allowed paper and pen, and she wrote the story of her years in prison, and also a french autobiography about her whole life. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Walton" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: [h-cost] Cavalier/Roundhead Lady Spies > Hello ! > > While I was researching recently for an essay about local effects of the > English Civil War, I came across this item in "The English Civil war: A > People's History" by Diane Purkiss, (page 282). > > "Messengers, scouts and spies, including 'certain adventurous women' > concealing secret dispatches in their voluminous skirts, passed to and > fro, often using High Wycombe as their base." > > (High Wycombe - where I live - was about half way, (about 30 miles each > way), between the royal court at Oxford and Parliamentary London, and had > lots of inns and major markets.) > > This piece about the 'adventurous women' has excited my curiosity, so that > I'd love to know how they might have hidden their dispatches. > Unfortunately I've no idea what women were wearing at the time. Would > they have sewn them into a hem? Tucked them into some sort of hip > padding? Inside a lining? > > The author doesn't footnote her source, so I've no way of following up the > story, but if anyone recognises it, I'd dearly love to know about that, > too. From the context, it seems to refer to about 1643. > > Yours gratefully, > Linda Walton, > (of High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.) > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 15:09:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJ97KD021036 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:09:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IJ8r6D022413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:08:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3IJ7nE3011527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:07:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJ7jFM033702; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJ7drs033588 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.243.95] (acty2095.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.243.95]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 383B25C774 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46266C64.8040602@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:07:16 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] knitted garters (when) are they period? References: <00e001c77d6f$f8579640$eaddf4dc@user4712b7d135><000601c77d75$796423c0$bfbfa6d8@pavilion><1176437106.461f0172dc415@webmail02.unl.edu> <001e01c77dd2$d47833c0$a9bfa6d8@pavilion> In-Reply-To: <001e01c77dd2$d47833c0$a9bfa6d8@pavilion> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50d469fb-fa68-4503-9c9a-98248f9f04a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46266CC5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, All. I am curious, did the original poster mention what part of the 16th C. they are recreating? I don't know of any extant garters from the period (the whole period, 1500-1600) that are knitted, and imagery of the period that I have seen neither confirms or denies the base of material used. I seem to vaguely remember a written piece that might shed some light, but what it was, and from when, I can't remember. The place to look, IMO, is in the Stuart Press books from Stu Peachey in England. He and his group have done extensive research into many subjects of the period in question. If the questioner is just looking in general, as opposed todoing some sort of scholarly or judged work, I'd suggest making a pair (in wool, of course) and fulling them. Many recovered pieces of knitting from the period have had to be looked at very closely to determine the method of manufacture, and, besides, the elasticity of knitted garters is one of their benefits. As some of our reenactment ladies mention, if you are up under my skirts checking something, you had better have a damned good reason...Good Luck, Mike T. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 15:23:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJNGrb021659 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:23:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IJN0K9025813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:23:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3IJMUA1013386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJMSTL047488; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:22:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJMQfj047452 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:22:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i1so245505nzh for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:22:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lvxqqP6Es+W/4ItcQ+3IbCFmjfFpKc9VJiyQJuzYdgb6EqRYXC8l0fDmhabX5mXEu3GP7IPCFjADz0+i3c7Chu7RxzPUv8VyphYI+Xx1QJ7WI3o9Mbvoj3i5BaND3RGu1jwjE5Qph2+fOq+HhfPe0EgOqLRqrdTMYrC+vS2kpj4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hMprSJa57qrZzMXl7vyn+GfZYUHcd0HlaZLGniC3vCCbK7QeHPExZDleF7AVKn1Vw8Af0LDcrFbYKeuzA5kQNWXf+S76bUb0xib+RA8PzWzlhM5uls2Lba7yfbLCNvbBMxRtp9rjPyut44WU4fjm6axTIpxCG+Ff9/bx/XfM99k= Received: by 10.115.107.1 with SMTP id j1mr359721wam.1176924145209; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.154.10 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:22:25 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Subject: [h-cost] Re: Monkey Claw Buttons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44b40a4a-675c-4a40-b491-2be18d711e4b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46267015.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Meli Eastern Virginia, USA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 15:35:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJZfw6022157 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:35:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IJZRCn032254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:35:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3IJYeaB014752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJYcD7058477; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:34:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJYX73058393 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:34:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02104 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:33:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:33:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Seeking a picture ID X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9234f5cd-80bd-42ec-94b3-38a7e112c1fe X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 462672FF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Another question that's come up as I edit a paper. This one is about the dress of a particular Byzantine guard unit in Constantinople. The author cites a manuscript image, but doesn't give a folio number. I'm querying the author, but in the meantime I found two references to the image in books, and so perhaps one of them has a clear citation. Does anyone here have either of these books? If so, can you look up the picture referenced here, and see if they give the folio number of the painting? Heath, I. (1979) 'Byzantine armies 886-1118', Osprey Men-at-arms series, 89, p.27 Heath, I. 'The Vikings', Osprey Elite series, 3, p.25 The picture is from a manuscript known as the Chronicle of Skylitzes, and shows an image of the Varangian Guard at the Hippodrome that might be folio 26 of that manuscript. Or it might be folio 26v. Or it might be something else. Any clarification is most welcome. Thanks! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 15:44:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJiELZ022473 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:44:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IJi029006874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:44:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3IJhEG9015747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJhCEw066330; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from orion.dandy.net (orion.dandy.net [209.128.224.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJh7Ow066245 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:43:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mikes@dandy.net) Received: from [209.128.242.176] (acty1176.dialup.dandy.net [209.128.242.176]) by orion.dandy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A055C90D for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <462674AC.80000@dandy.net> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:42:37 -0400 From: michael tartaglio User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Cavalier/Roundhead Lady Spies References: <200704171722.l3HHM37V029038@net.indra.com> <4625182E02000014000CF7EC@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> <462527BE.1090803@dsl.pipex.com> In-Reply-To: <462527BE.1090803@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3e4b71ec-cad6-408b-bdd8-d4aa21ee6ce6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46267500.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, All. Linda, I have never seen any details regarding where documents of this type were hidden (specifically, that is). The historical sources usually say something like, "on or about their person". It being seen as a piece of uncomely work to go about roughing up your betters and ladies, one would suspect that the searching, if it was done, was to ones baggage rather than ones person, unless there was evidence of some sort of concealment. In that case, it could be anywhere, in a shoe, in a hat, sewn into clothing, slipped into a book one is carrying, etc. I have found that, if the book you are researching was recently published (10 years or so), it sometimes helps to try and contact the author. I have done this by searching their name online. If a scholar, their info can sometimes be found on University or museum databases with a work phone # or e-mail addy. You could also read through the relevant bibliographical info if it is listed by chapter. Good Luck, Mike T. PS I recently posted to the list about Stu Peachey's work on this and similar subjects. You might want to contact him through Stuart Press. This is just the sort of ephemera that he likes to turn up. MJT > > > This piece about the 'adventurous women' has excited my curiosity, so > that I'd love to know how they might have hidden their dispatches. > Unfortunately I've no idea what women were wearing at the time. Would > they have sewn them into a hem? Tucked them into some sort of hip > padding? Inside a lining? > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 15:59:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJxXCT023071 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:59:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IJxJRc019686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:59:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3IJwcwT017912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:58:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJwXCS080872; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:58:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from newiz.haifa.ac.il (newiz.haifa.ac.il [132.74.1.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IJwQls080688 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:58:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from guarino@research.haifa.ac.il) Received: by newiz.haifa.ac.il (Postfix, from userid 99) id 644A393740; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:58:19 +0300 (IDT) Received: from di8-39038.dialin.huji.ac.il (di8-39038.dialin.huji.ac.il [132.64.39.38]) by webmail.haifa.ac.il (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:58:19 +0300 Message-ID: <1176926299.4626785b52e12@webmail.haifa.ac.il> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:58:19 +0300 From: Gabriel Guarino To: h-costume@mail.indra.com, H-MUSEUM@h-net.msu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1255 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 132.64.39.38 X-WebMail-Company: Haifa University X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Call for Papers: Dress and Identity, RSA, Chicago, April 3-5, 2008 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd333468-79c4-421c-a939-48e2ebd8878e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46267897.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Renaissance Society of America Annual Meeting, Chicago, April 3-5, 2008. The Communication of Appearances: Dress and Identity in the Early Modern World Relying on a broad definition of fashion, this CFP aims to attract several panels focusing on one or more of the following issues: the material realities in which fashion is engendered; the diffusion of particular sartorial styles; and the complex ways in which clothes reveal the wearer’s gender, social status, and hers or his intellectual, political, religious and cultural values. The direct symbolic relation of clothes with identity, clarifies well the polyvalent language of attire, thus inviting an interdisciplinary approach, which will bring together specialists in communication studies, art history/visual studies, literature, anthropology, political sociology, and more. Possible suggested topics: 1. Various expositions of how early modern geographical discoveries, technological innovations, and the related expansion of urban centers, markets, and products affected the daily lives and appearances of contemporaries. 2. National styles and their influence throughout Europe and the New World, with particular reference to Italian fashion during the Renaissance, Spanish fashion during the Catholic Reformation, and French fashion from the times of Louis XIV onwards. Of course, subtle analysis of sartorial evolution should transcend all-encompassing discourses of zeitgeist, cutting across social and regional divides. Changes in design, reflecting contemporary ideas of proper appearance and taste, should be confronted with specific cases of personal and group agency across social, regional, and gender divides. 3. The ways in which women and men used apparel and cosmetics for body improvement or concealment. 4. Sumptuary Laws: including the various strategies applied by governments and city councils to restrain expenditures on attire, as well as the physical marking of socially undesirable groups such as Jews and prostitutes. 5. Clothes as disguises: for example, Carnivalesque costumes showing the ritualized opportunities used to symbolically subvert and transgress sartorial conventions. 6. The functions of supposedly unchangeable forms of clothing (anti-fashions) used in public ceremonies by monarchs/princes/rulers, civic officers, and clerics. No geographic limitations apply, and papers dealing with any related topic are welcome. Proposals should include the following items: 1. Preliminary abstract, 150 words. 2. CV with e-mail address, phone and fax numbers. Please send them by April 30, 2007 via e-mail attachments to: Gabriel Guarino: guarinog@gmail.com; or guarino@research.haifa.ac.il -- Gabriel Guarino, Ph.D. Department of General History University of Haifa Tel. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin, I have the Osprey book here in front of me. Pg. 25, half page illos in b&w. Caption reads: "Though depicting an event of the 9th century, the artist of the Byzantine Madrid Skylitzes portrayed the Emperor's bodyguards as 12th-century Varangian Guardsmen. Eighteen of their famous axes are in evidence, as well as four unit standards and seven spears. (Bibllioteca Nacional, Madrid) I can scan and send this to you , if you like. HTH, ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Another question that's come up as I edit a paper. This one is about the dress of a particular Byzantine guard unit in Constantinople. The author cites a manuscript image, but doesn't give a folio number. I'm querying the author, but in the meantime I found two references to the image in books, and so perhaps one of them has a clear citation. Does anyone here have either of these books? If so, can you look up the picture referenced here, and see if they give the folio number of the painting? Heath, I. (1979) 'Byzantine armies 886-1118', Osprey Men-at-arms series, 89, p.27 Heath, I. 'The Vikings', Osprey Elite series, 3, p.25 The picture is from a manuscript known as the Chronicle of Skylitzes, and shows an image of the Varangian Guard at the Hippodrome that might be folio 26 of that manuscript. Or it might be folio 26v. Or it might be something else. Any clarification is most welcome. 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Does any one remember the si= te we discussed, or another site with directions for monkey claw buttons? > =20 > Pardon the cross-posting, those of you on multiple lists, and thanks in a= dvance for your help, all. > =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 18:06:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IM6XSn028835 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:06:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IM6JII010653 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:06:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3IM3jCL035668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:03:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IM3hGs096681; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:03:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IM3XmZ096534 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:03:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31339) id <01MFLOLPEQ1SALEQRQ@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:03:30 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31339) with ESMTP id <01MFLOLQ734GAT7CMX@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:03:31 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:03:21 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Monkey Claw Buttons In-reply-to: <20070418214739.191491EAE@courageux.concentric.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <462695A9.5040705@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <20070418214739.191491EAE@courageux.concentric.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74bd20ca-3072-4cbc-99c1-ab62def47449 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4626965B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 18:31:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IMV6bA029731 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:31:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IMUrt7001380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:30:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3IMUK2u038837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:30:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IMUIB9019342; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:30:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IMUENb019267 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:30:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03063 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:29:12 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:29:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seeking a picture ID In-Reply-To: <00bc01c781f6$efbbaae0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 29497ff3-3d4d-45f6-9e00-592a73db3ff9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46269C1D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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For that matter, if there is a manuscript number (usually but not always begins with MS) I need that too! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 20:03:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J03sws000788 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:03:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3J03exB029968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:03:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J02YZa048495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:02:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J02S4a088008; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:02:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao02.charter.net (mtao02.charter.net [209.225.8.187]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J02O41087922 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:02:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa02.charter.net ([10.20.200.154]) by mtao02.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070419000219.PJKR1398.mtao02.charter.net@aa02.charter.net> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:02:19 -0400 Received: from Maxwell ([24.205.12.33]) by aa02.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070419000219.ZZQD11130.aa02.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:02:19 -0400 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:02:47 -0800 Message-ID: <001801c7821e$72211930$210ccd18@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <200704182217.l3IMHfa5008687@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AceCB7n7Q3tnshqsQgm8od6bHQfvJAAFP9mw X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: tudors news X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02267356-144c-48b3-83c0-77be6d84d83a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4626B1DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >>For some reason I got an email yesterday from the film company that = makes or distributes "The Tudors," which was discussed here. (I don't get = cable so I've never seen it). Apparently they think I might like to become a = stock holder!=20 Hey, you've been invited to become part of the whole Hollywood = production machine. That's probably Peace Arch, the production company. The rest of your answers... I'm getting from the Showtime folks.... >>Anyway, the headline of the email was that The Tudors will have a second season. How much time did it cover, anyway? First season: " Supposedly each episode of the 10 episodes in Season 1 covers one year of Henry's reign. . . although Michael Hirst has acknowledged that he's fudged with history. It's Henry from around age = 25 up until the court procedings to divorce Katherine of Aragon." (yea, I hear the groaning, that's why it's in quotes.) Second season (warning this sounds like a commercial and didn't look up = to see what years it really is): "The second season will be even juicier = than the first as we get into the infamous marriage of Henry VIII to Anne = Boleyn, the birth of their daughter Elizabeth (who would one day become the = greatest ruler in English history), the execution of Sir Thomas More, the = Reformation of the church under the zealous supervision of Thomas Cromwell, and, finally, the infamous beheading of Anne after only three years of = marriage. HEADS WILL ROLL!" Oh... and while we're talking about "The Tudors", got some more dates on = the fashion special. It is making it to Showtime with lots of regular On-Air and getting a = few more STYLE Network plays:=20 Friday, April 27: 7:40 pm on SHO=20 Saturday, April 28: 2 a.m. on STYLE=20 Sunday, April 29: 12:30 am on SHO and 10 am on STYLE=20 Friday, May 4: 8:35 pm on SHO=20 Wednesday, May 9: 10:35 pm on SHO=20 Tuesday, May 15: 8:40 pm on SHO=20 Wednesday, May 23: 3:40 pm on SHO=20 Saturday, May 26: 2:05 pm on SHO=20 Sunday, May 27: 6:35 pm on SHO=20 Thursday, May 31: 10:40 pm on SHO -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 20:39:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J0dNuR001943 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:39:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3J0dApQ023039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J0cXY4051979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J0cWtJ011138; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:38:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J0cSOh011053 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:38:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from vmaa2@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070419003823.RAJV28347.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:38:23 -0400 Received: from VMAA1 ([68.225.178.145]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id ooeN1W00538clPG0000000; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:38:22 -0400 From: "Linda Rice" To: "'Historical Costume'" , Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seeking a picture ID Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: <00c201c7821a$f8ab6090$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=48% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 447564ad-af10-454e-bb51-8fb6b9f0df51 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4626BA2E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Eureka~!!! http://www.geocities.com/egfrothos/Adoption.html ::Linda:: -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Robin Netherton Thanks, but I actually have a scan of the image. What I need is the folio number. Is there a credit anywhere in the book that lists the folio number? It might be in the caption, in fine print near the image, or in a list in the back keyed to page number. The manuscript itself is from Madrid, Biblioteca Nacional de Espana. For that matter, if there is a manuscript number (usually but not always begins with MS) I need that too! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 21:00:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J10HtI002579 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:00:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3J103ks029941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:00:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J0xMtg053740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:59:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J0xJS9023417; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J0xFf3023371 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:59:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03625; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:58:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:58:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Linda Rice Subject: RE: [h-cost] Seeking a picture ID In-Reply-To: <00c201c7821a$f8ab6090$6501a8c0@VMAA1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: "'Historical Costume'" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4069e3f-68a0-4fcc-8e8f-8f6de7a44ea2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4626BF13.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Linda Rice wrote: > http://www.geocities.com/egfrothos/Adoption.html Alas, this is part of the problem. I think this (or a similar web page I've already seen) is where the author got the folio number she used in her article. It is almost certainly wrong, and if it is right, it needs clarification; 26v-a is not a standard format for manuscript folio numbers. You see, along with the number of a folio, there's a letter telling you which side of the page you're looking at: "r" or "a" stands for for "recto," or the front side; "b" or "v" means "verso," or the back side. So this is either 26v or 26a, but cannot be 26v-a unless there's a nonstandard numbering system being used, which must be explained. Note that this article is on a re-enactor's personal web page. Web articles in general tend to lift images and other details from one another, and articles like this are often based on information gathered in some part via web research ... so errors tend to be repeated over and over. The article looks to be very good for what it is, and probably very helpful to other re-enactors, particularly since it provides a coherent summary of a topic and directs them to specific sources for more. But it's not something I can use as anything more than a clue for a detail like this, which needs verification elsewhere before it's published in a scholarly paper in a peer-reviewed journal. That's why I was hoping I'd find a published source with a photo citation for this particular image. At this point, having exhausted the obvious sources, I turn the question back over to the article's author to do the legwork, which probably will involve contacting the owning library. I hope she speaks Spanish. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 22:42:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J2gOeM008971 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:42:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3J2gAw0019403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:42:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J2f0OY064464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J2etGh084840; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.37.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3IJ4a3b030290 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:04:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ckenet@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48650 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Apr 2007 19:04:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5gwK6P6Va+3nDhEACH4V28RI5bxmxUXvVePy43sHNfk0AUz2f5F1CtV8YIjaBDshlI+d3tPb9FG9+RapzlBmkFw11HiNj+AkyoP1REEf7j5UHffosvJTqKv0M0+YRr4DZ8F5YedWVJo01DvsD8WHPsYe6lrsuEolKpjjO7q+Gkk=; X-YMail-OSG: GlGsIiwVM1mVQ2klG9Y1Lalz0a0YD140H8VG0sWf04SHCkKRtq2BnVh3XYUKWc9Gisd65XNAFGXXFl_MeCgJYSJTClym1qNob_uWlPBC4K.QtQeYzPw0sAX2kwOobE3PSNuTUtu9Y2mR169KFYgRE7Us Received: from [72.154.123.234] by web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:04:31 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:04:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Kenet Muir Subject: Re: [h-cost] Monkey Claw Buttons To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <041820071440.26124.46262DE2000DB6A80000660C21602807480A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <680718.48601.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f360350d-d070-4eb1-b39a-816635ba50ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4626D703.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Does any one remember the site we > discussed, or another site with directions for > monkey claw buttons? > > Pardon the cross-posting, those of you on multiple > lists, and thanks in advance for your help, all. > > Jane In NO VA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 22:42:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J2guMf008998 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:42:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3J2gg6E011584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:42:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J2gAQ3064700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J2gAIh085923; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from metis.sjsu.edu (metis.sjsu.edu [130.65.3.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IM7Q0A099769 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:07:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [130.65.37.188] (sjs-130-65-37-188.sjsu.edu [130.65.37.188]) by metis.sjsu.edu (8.12.10+Sun/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3IM7Jav017628 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070418214739.191491EAE@courageux.concentric.com> References: <20070418214739.191491EAE@courageux.concentric.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <077BE04B-2234-4DF9-BF71-F56F8F11A585@bovil.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrew T Trembley Subject: Re: [h-cost] Monkey Claw Buttons Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:07:17 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eafd43b3-baaf-435c-a6d8-66c8d18e3e60 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4626D722.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 18, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Julie wrote: > Apparently I have these links saved at home and not at work. There > are several sites devoted to frogs, Chinese knotting. A Google > search should turn it up...but look for monkey PAW rather than > claw. There's another name as well...Turkish something. There are two different "Monkey's Paw" or "Monkey's Fist" knot. There's the coil-style (as found by Sharon): It can be formed around a core (as in the link above) or without a core (as in Sharon's link), and can produce a very nice ball either way. Turk's Head knots are different. The basic Turk's Head is a decorative wrap or fastening, made around a cylinder. Totally not what we're looking for here. The Turk's Head style "Monkey Paw" is formed flat and then bent over a core. It gives a different look than the coil-style monkey's paw. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 18 22:43:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J2hJxe009011 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:43:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3J2h5w4012526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:43:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J2gJ8W064737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:42:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J2gIio086046; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:42:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3IMHZXZ008584 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:17:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HeIT0-000PY7-Gi for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:17:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:16:09 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Seeking a picture ID References: <00bc01c781f6$efbbaae0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> In-Reply-To: <00bc01c781f6$efbbaae0$6501a8c0@VMAA1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.06-U () X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=47% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2b609c43-0063-46d3-959f-62b1fc82a6e1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4626D739.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have the Byzantine Armies one, too, but it doesn't give a folio number. Ospreys are not noted for their detailed references, unfortunately! Jean Linda Rice wrote >Robin, I have the Osprey book here in front of me. > >Pg. 25, half page illos in b&w. >Caption reads: >"Though depicting an event of the 9th century, the artist of the >Byzantine Madrid Skylitzes portrayed the Emperor's bodyguards as >12th-century Varangian Guardsmen. Eighteen of their famous axes are in >evidence, as well as four unit standards and seven spears. (Bibllioteca >Nacional, Madrid) > >I can scan and send this to you , if you like. > >HTH, > >::Linda:: > > >-----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Robin Netherton > >Another question that's come up as I edit a paper. This one is about the >dress of a particular Byzantine guard unit in Constantinople. The author >cites a manuscript image, but doesn't give a folio number. I'm querying >the author, but in the meantime I found two references to the image in >books, and so perhaps one of them has a clear citation. > >Does anyone here have either of these books? If so, can you look up the >picture referenced here, and see if they give the folio number of the >painting? > >Heath, I. (1979) 'Byzantine armies 886-1118', Osprey Men-at-arms series, >89, p.27 > >Heath, I. 'The Vikings', Osprey Elite series, 3, p.25 > >The picture is from a manuscript known as the Chronicle of Skylitzes, >and >shows an image of the Varangian Guard at the Hippodrome that might be >folio 26 of that manuscript. Or it might be folio 26v. Or it might be >something else. Any clarification is most welcome. > >Thanks! > >--Robin > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 03:36:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J7a8No010362 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:36:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3J7ZsOG007789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:35:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J7YoIi095268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J7YkB1057153; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:34:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ws13.dnshub.net (ws13.dnshub.net [65.99.236.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J7YgnT057108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:34:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 17202 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 02:34:39 -0500 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 17194, pid: 17197, t: 0.2233s scanners: clamav: 0.90.1/m:42/d:2691 Received: from cpc4-port2-0-0-cust987.cos2.cable.ntl.com (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Hi Linda, further to Mike and Bjarne's comments, I tried a little experiment and found the easiest place to hide a letter 'about my person' was between my shift and corset. > Stevie Davies, 'Unbridled Spirits, Women of the English Revolution: 1640-1660 is a very useful source. regards Joy Shillaker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 03:38:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J7cdWq010527 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:38:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3J7cPC5013738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J7c5JJ095655 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J7c5pO058842; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ws13.dnshub.net (ws13.dnshub.net [65.99.236.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J7c1p4058822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:38:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joy@c17th.org) Received: (qmail 18204 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2007 02:38:01 -0500 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 18193, pid: 18198, t: 0.1381s scanners: clamav: 0.90.1/m:42/d:2691 Received: from cpc4-port2-0-0-cust987.cos2.cable.ntl.com (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (82.19.243.220) by granitepark.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 02:38:01 -0500 Message-ID: <46271C71.7030807@c17th.org> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:38:25 +0100 From: Joy Shillaker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200704182217.l3IMHfa4008687@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200704182217.l3IMHfa4008687@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re lady spies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f93a136-54c2-4d6e-913d-718f17e3e4c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46271C72.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi again Linda, it is also very easy to suspend a pouch or similar from a belt between under and outer petticoats. regards Joy Shillaker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 04:41:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J8ewx3019128 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:40:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3J8eim3028882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:40:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3J8dano003434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:39:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J8dX9c093307; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:39:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3J8dTqw093267 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:39:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.28567564; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:39:11 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l3J8dBC03437.; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:39:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:39:10 +0100 Message-Id: <462738B502000014000CF9D7@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:39:01 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: References: <200704181801.l3II0PBJ065291@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200704181801.l3II0PBJ065291@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re:[ h-cost] Cavalier/Roundhead lady spies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8967a66c-dbf9-493d-b514-036340cfcbf1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46272B0C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 04:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Linda Walton wrote : >This piece about the 'adventurous women' has excited my curiosity, so that I'd love to know how they might >have hidden their dispatches. Unfortunately I've no idea what women were wearing at the time. Would they >have sewn them into a hem? Tucked them into some sort of hip padding? Inside a lining? As I do English Civil War, I can't resist this one. Women's skirts at the time were bulky but not supported by any hoops etc., though unless you have very big hips you need a small bumroll to get the correct silhouette. They would have worn voluminous petticoats. Clothing in general tended to be so heavy compared to what we wear nowadays that it wouldn't have been too difficult to find somewhere to hide a document. See http://www.costumes.org/history/100pages/HOLLAR.HTM Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 10:08:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JE8XA6026236 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:08:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JE8Es7013326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:08:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JE6t0Z045420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:06:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JE6mqL002358; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JE6jd7002202 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:06:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:06:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.228.214 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:06:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.228.214] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:06:03 -0700 Message-ID: <004001c7828b$ddf4a010$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AceCLF1eMqatYlU3S7iAXORUcUL5xQAXyFXA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <077BE04B-2234-4DF9-BF71-F56F8F11A585@bovil.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2007 14:06:40.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3C00060:01C7828B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Woven Buttons was: Monkey Claw Buttons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: acc7a293-d207-4231-be3e-06d804d8b19e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462777CE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Whoops - I got over zealous in deleting and lost the post about which I am inquiring. Someone in response the Monkey claw buttons subject said they were weaving buttons on a loom? Can you share more about that? Thanks, Saragrace -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Monkey Claw Buttons On Apr 18, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Julie wrote: > Apparently I have these links saved at home and not at work. There > are several sites devoted to frogs, Chinese knotting. A Google > search should turn it up...but look for monkey PAW rather than > claw. There's another name as well...Turkish something. There are two different "Monkey's Paw" or "Monkey's Fist" knot. There's the coil-style (as found by Sharon): It can be formed around a core (as in the link above) or without a core (as in Sharon's link), and can produce a very nice ball either way. Turk's Head knots are different. The basic Turk's Head is a decorative wrap or fastening, made around a cylinder. Totally not what we're looking for here. The Turk's Head style "Monkey Paw" is formed flat and then bent over a core. It gives a different look than the coil-style monkey's paw. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 10:43:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JEhVHp027331 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:43:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JEhHPa005532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:43:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JEgUWV051467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JEgTTT033876; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:42:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JEgPhm033727 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail19.att.net ([204.127.135.58]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <20070419144220112003s25se>; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:42:20 +0000 Received: from [63.241.202.8] by mwebmail19.att.net; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:42:19 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:42:19 +0000 Message-Id: <041920071442.2804.46277FCB0004E9AF00000AF421602810600A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Monkey Fist, Not Monkey Claw X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec15ee5c-76e7-41dd-8331-8f45c57bd8a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46278005.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jane in No VA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 11:18:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JFIdhM028422 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:18:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JFIPAa023859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:18:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JFH524057810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JFH1je067140; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:17:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.192]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3JFGwuv066993 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:16:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from slc_fire@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9871 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2007 15:16:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=t0pRdCHMGRv/TWIeHl/qqh8FShSe7XGL34uC8/EBg1vrUeSWEfGFlgMgCsu9/xQQQekmkISE6gQx4EbWdLwiI24FUVs8KP7Xt5Qiu9HfU2BBX2GDg5nmq8AvKewOlasJ6S/7HN3ukwaWfSiCeg8s1pFe2DHPkOfl56yMnfwNZ/s=; X-YMail-OSG: FhYsZZsVM1mOclIA_C0itm3rPbfyns5NbpxLVeyA2GJdNa0mTWFm0xuuW4oGkKPQUA-- Received: from [66.110.201.67] by web33603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:16:52 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT) From: slc_fire Subject: Re: [h-cost] Woven Buttons was: Monkey Claw Buttons To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <856439.9398.qm@web33603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a11b4d00-170b-46a5-b201-55d4887c16a8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46278841.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think that might have been me. I first learned how to make wrapped (woven) buttons from the Renaissance Tailor web site http://www.vertetsable.com/demos_buttons.htm but then a very nice lady taught me her method of making the same kind of button on a loom (saves the hands from aching and goes SUPER fast). I haven't found a website with the technique yet so I'll try to write up how I was taught after lunch today. This might be an interesting technique to make into a youtube demo. hmmmm I may do that at a later date. Sheree WickedFrau wrote: Whoops - I got over zealous in deleting and lost the post about which I am inquiring. Someone in response the Monkey claw buttons subject said they were weaving buttons on a loom? Can you share more about that? Thanks, Saragrace -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Andrew T Trembley Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Monkey Claw Buttons On Apr 18, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Julie wrote: > Apparently I have these links saved at home and not at work. There > are several sites devoted to frogs, Chinese knotting. A Google > search should turn it up...but look for monkey PAW rather than > claw. There's another name as well...Turkish something. There are two different "Monkey's Paw" or "Monkey's Fist" knot. There's the coil-style (as found by Sharon): It can be formed around a core (as in the link above) or without a core (as in Sharon's link), and can produce a very nice ball either way. Turk's Head knots are different. The basic Turk's Head is a decorative wrap or fastening, made around a cylinder. Totally not what we're looking for here. The Turk's Head style "Monkey Paw" is formed flat and then bent over a core. It gives a different look than the coil-style monkey's paw. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance! --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 12:57:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JGvcpS031351 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:57:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JGvOda014807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:57:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JGuPlO076899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:56:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JGuMvs072817; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:56:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.242]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3JDSMEf070608 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from slc_fire@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 42647 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Apr 2007 13:28:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gZLbapLzfx6XX+a8EjAyN6l69TuFrj3U+6bUcwFwIS7eBn1h/Cyfv/sgFLYqESDjtj8NcN12BqwdMchASo67EzUFOFm8EUtp6qNONVQHxiJ1+xM0xUbEjUSL8yRw6D9D0U9uXIHYF0PPOaI3NTTFUTPUGPoeiOefl7v9kTCzSaU=; X-YMail-OSG: bfJXmQgVM1lc6jfxpNxUysSqXg_REYZbSHgGwt3yHQmKsm496FVURWXv.2ekkki7kYA6H_GjgrX2mS7PphWfpOtuVhGjqZ1Jmt5LqsJtWAqujjQJLD2Xdex.1g03Ew-- Received: from [66.110.201.67] by web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:28:16 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 06:28:16 -0700 (PDT) From: slc_fire Subject: Re: [h-cost] Monkey Claw Buttons To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <680718.48601.qm@web53505.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <852224.42644.qm@web33610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26154dda-8fc9-4ea9-88c7-17876464122e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46279F74.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That was absolutely perfect!! Thank you so much Kenet!! Kenet Muir wrote: I have a site for tying a monkey's fist would that help? Kenet http://www.animatedknots.com/monkeysfist/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com --- Jane Pease wrote: > Recently on one of the lists, someone posted a site > that had, in addition to frog closures, directions > for making a monkey claw button (a round button made > of cord). I did not save the site, and wouldn't you > know, a few weeks later I need to make monkey claw > buttons. Does any one remember the site we > discussed, or another site with directions for > monkey claw buttons? > > Pardon the cross-posting, those of you on multiple > lists, and thanks in advance for your help, all. > > Jane In NO VA > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Life may not be the party we hoped for... but while we are here we might as well dance! --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thought some of you might be interested. If not for this particular item, there may be some other goodies....might have to spend some time here! Sg -----Original Message----- From: Sheryl Till [mailto:sctill@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:49 AM To: Vintage Fabrics Subject: [vintagefabrics] Re: Fun finds Joan Kiplinger wrote: > Leigh -- is that the correct url for the first one? I keep getting an > error that it's for website master only. > Hi Leigh, Go to this url and then type the listing /Textile Fiber Atlas /into the search engine to get to the collection: http://www.sil.si.edu/digitalcollections/HistoryCultureCollections/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 12:59:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JGxs4E031424 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:59:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JGxdr6014547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:59:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JGx5qQ077384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:59:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JGx3Os075996; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:59:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JG3sBN015028 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:03:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jeanine@woollycat.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.19.150.130]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGR005O75YAELM2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:03:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:03:42 -0400 From: Jeanine Swick To: SiWeb , ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, Historic Costume Message-id: <462792DE.8000504@woollycat.net> MIME-version: 1.0 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] [Fwd: [costumers_notes] Restoring old fabric] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e626f5e-4adf-4a59-b9e4-7dee1f2df27e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46279FFB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is from a belly dance list I'm on. Any suggestions for her? I've already posted never put anything like nail polish on vintage fabric. Jeanine ^..^ >J< -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [costumers_notes] Restoring old fabric Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:01:59 -0000 From: Bhavato (Sonja) Reply-To: costumers_notes@yahoogroups.com To: costumers_notes@yahoogroups.com I have just volunteered to 'rescue' an old bra and belt assemble for my teacher..... The top fabric looks like it is 100 years old and is slowly falling apart. However, it has very integrate bead work on it, and she really likes the set to be preserved. I know how to 'rescue' the back side (new interfacing and lining, but what would be the best way to stabalize the fabric on the outside without damaging the bead work? I was thinking about sealing the beadwork (once I reinforce the beadwork) with nailpolish - what do you gals think? :) Bhavato __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 14:08:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JI8X5m000950 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:08:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JI8JXV029009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:08:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JI7MVq090795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JI7CeN050836; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JI6w67050578 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:07:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D168FCC62A for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:06:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4627AFC4.7030002@reddawn.net> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:07:00 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [Fwd: [costumers_notes] Restoring old fabric] References: <462792DE.8000504@woollycat.net> In-Reply-To: <462792DE.8000504@woollycat.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4b085ca-530c-4238-a933-dfce345e6231 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4627B013.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Jeanine Swick wrote: > This is from a belly dance list I'm on. Any suggestions for her? I've > already posted never put anything like nail polish on vintage fabric. > Jeanine > ^..^ > >J< I know you mean well, and I'm not trying to be bitchy, but isn't it just a little rude to take somebody else's message and crosspost it to a whole bunch of other lists? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 14:23:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JINCxD001383 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:23:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JIMwA4008626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:23:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JIMTIN092686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:22:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JIMRi3066161; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:22:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JIMM8h066052 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:22:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.170] (pm5-170.eos.net [205.133.149.170]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l3JIMO5E026323 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:22:24 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:03:45 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200704191800.l3JI0Nsa043865@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tudors X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ea13b6d-dbcc-4ad8-bea7-6a648393a60b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4627B382.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Cat Devereaux wrote: > Second season (warning this sounds like a commercial and didn't look up to > see what years it really is): "The second season will be even juicier than > the first as we get into the infamous marriage of Henry VIII to Anne Boleyn, > the birth of their daughter Elizabeth (who would one day become the greatest > ruler in English history), the execution of Sir Thomas More, the Reformation > of the church under the zealous supervision of Thomas Cromwell, and, > finally, the infamous beheading of Anne after only three years of marriage. > HEADS WILL ROLL!" Thanks for the update! Maybe I should see if the first season will be out on DVD, I could use a good comedy series to watch. Yes, the post I got was from Peace Arch, a rather bizarre name for a film production company. My favorite part of the post was also from an explanation of the series, something about Henry taking on the "all-powerful Catholic Church." That statement begs for arguments of all sorts, but the best one is that if he got rid of it, then it wasn't exactly all-powerful! This one is pretty good, too, especially the part about Elizabeth being the greatest ruler in English history. One of them, sure. But that's quite a claim. How about, say, William the Conquerer? Oh well, I guess it will be around for at least one more year... Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 15:50:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JJoikZ004042 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:50:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JJoUR9020924 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:50:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JJnRIj005887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:49:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JJnLdb049735; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:49:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JJnHIk049679 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 9F8A72E828B for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:43:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 2296C2E8297 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:43:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24403 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:49:16 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] tudors Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:48:51 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] tudors Thread-Index: AceCr6m7TYnoMGKqQWCMNCutl5nxtwAC1jkg References: <200704191800.l3JI0Nsa043865@net.indra.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c2ccc8ae-7cac-4db9-98d3-6899eeb311c1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4627C807.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 15:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Amazon.com already has the first season of "The Tudors" listed as forthcoming on their site. But no release date or cost has been set. My local Best Buy carries DVDs of HBO series available on DVD so I will probably check for it there when it comes out. I don't get HBO, but what pics I've seen of the costuming, a blue-eyed Anne Boleyn, and Sam Neill as Wolsey(well, okay, real-life actors have to be easier on the eyes than resembling real people) historical accuracy wasn't the first concern of this production. Let me know if I'm wrong. Cynthia Abel, ILL Coordinator Creighton University Health Sciences Library cynthiaabel@creighton.edu 402 280 5144 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Gail & Scott Finke Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:04 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] tudors Cat Devereaux wrote: > Second season (warning this sounds like a commercial and didn't look=20 > up to see what years it really is): "The second season will be even=20 > juicier than the first as we get into the infamous marriage of Henry=20 > VIII to Anne Boleyn, the birth of their daughter Elizabeth (who would=20 > one day become the greatest ruler in English history), the execution=20 > of Sir Thomas More, the Reformation of the church under the zealous=20 > supervision of Thomas Cromwell, and, finally, the infamous beheading of Anne after only three years of marriage. > HEADS WILL ROLL!" Thanks for the update! Maybe I should see if the first season will be out on DVD, I could use a good comedy series to watch. Yes, the post I got was from Peace Arch, a rather bizarre name for a film production company. My favorite part of the post was also from an explanation of the series, something about Henry taking on the "all-powerful Catholic Church." That statement begs for arguments of all sorts, but the best one is that if he got rid of it, then it wasn't exactly all-powerful! This one is pretty good, too, especially the part about Elizabeth being the greatest ruler in English history. One of them, sure. But that's quite a claim. How about, say, William the Conquerer? Oh well, I guess it will be around for at least one more year... Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 16:43:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JKh0gP005580 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:43:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JKgk67002673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:42:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JKfpvo014238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:41:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JKfo4Q096153; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JKfkqD096020 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:41:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.19]) by bay0-omc3-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:41:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:41:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.228.214 by BAY133-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:41:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.228.214] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:41:07 -0700 Message-ID: <001e01c782c3$0e9f4120$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AceCrfl8CcGwWaMBT5aTI91eIcjRbAAFLXcg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <4627AFC4.7030002@reddawn.net> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2007 20:41:40.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[2258D870:01C782C3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Forwarding posts, was [costumers_notes] Restoring old fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31f8f5f9-c656-4bbf-94a9-449af294e634 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4627D446.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Gosh, I do this on a regular basis if I have permission of the person who wrote the note...maybe I am missing the point; who is supposed to be the offended person? The recipients or the person who wrote the original note? Confused in AZ, Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] [Fwd: [costumers_notes] Restoring old fabric] Jeanine Swick wrote: > This is from a belly dance list I'm on. Any suggestions for her? I've > already posted never put anything like nail polish on vintage fabric. > Jeanine > ^..^ > >J< I know you mean well, and I'm not trying to be bitchy, but isn't it just a little rude to take somebody else's message and crosspost it to a whole bunch of other lists? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 16:50:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JKoqKu005783 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:50:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JKodmU010523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:50:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JKnmiG015282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:49:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JKniBV003075; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.100]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JKnfa5002955 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 14:49:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.13]) by bay0-omc1-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:49:35 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:49:35 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.228.214 by BAY133-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:49:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.228.214] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: , "'Historical Costume'" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 13:49:03 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c782c4$2a41ba60$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 thread-index: AceCxCoi77PDSi1OS5e8sgsd2F725A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Apr 2007 20:49:35.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D633060:01C782C4] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Cool link X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b24d1cc8-3fa6-49fa-b1b2-c25421389035 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4627D61F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thought some of you might be interested. If not for this particular item, there may be some other goodies....might have to spend some time here! Sg -----Original Message----- From: Sheryl Till [mailto:sctill@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:49 AM To: Vintage Fabrics Subject: [vintagefabrics] Re: Fun finds Joan Kiplinger wrote: > Leigh -- is that the correct url for the first one? I keep getting an > error that it's for website master only. > Hi Leigh, Go to this url and then type the listing /Textile Fiber Atlas /into the search engine to get to the collection: http://www.sil.si.edu/digitalcollections/HistoryCultureCollections/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 18:34:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JMYRN8008526 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:34:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JMYDqi017576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:34:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JMX6MJ029425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JMX27x089407; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JMWwAp089361 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:33:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07678 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:32:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:32:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forwarding posts, was [costumers_notes] Restoring old fabric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 178cdb34-c078-4dba-a9ea-4c91d1b07cd2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4627EE65.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, WickedFrau wrote: > Gosh, I do this on a regular basis if I have permission of the person > who wrote the note...maybe I am missing the point; who is supposed to > be the offended person? The recipients or the person who wrote the > original note? I wouldn't think there would be any issue if you get an OK from the original poster first, as you say. We don't know if that was the case here, however, because the person who did the forwarding didn't indicate whether it was done with permission. Occasionally people have forwarded my posts, without my permission, to other lists. I know they mean well, but I don't appreciate it. If someone asks for permission, I often give it, but there are sometimes reasons I don't want to be a presence on certain lists, or don't want certain queries/comments of mine bandied about among other net-populations. (It's very embarrassing, for instance, when I'm asking about a point raised in an article I'm editing, and the post is forwarded to a list where the author of the article is active, and certainly must wonder why I'm asking. It was worse when I posted a limited discount offer to a single list and found it had been forwarded by an overzealous bargain-hunter to many others.) Other times I hope for forwardings -- say, of book announcements or calls for papers -- and I try to put "Feel free to forward" on the top of the posts I want to be spread around, so that other people reading them will know I approved. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 18:34:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JMYTZL008529 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:34:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3JMYF7X028489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:34:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JMXDUJ029440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JMXDFt089547; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from md3.swissinfo.org (md3.swissinfo.org [146.159.4.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JMX78A089476 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org ([194.6.181.33]) by md3.swissinfo.org (md3.swissinfo.org) (MDaemon PRO v9.5.3) with ESMTP id md50025351094.msg for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:33:11 +0200 Received: from compaqub (24.216.120.37) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 45DAE0BC02A8AD5D for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:33:02 +0200 Message-ID: <008101c782d2$bba03410$1f00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704191800.l3JI0Nsa043865@net.indra.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:33:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Processed: md3.swissinfo.org, Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:33:11 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDRemoteIP: 194.6.181.33 X-Return-Path: swissgirl@swissinfo.org X-Envelope-From: swissgirl@swissinfo.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: h-costume@indra.com X-MDAV-Processed: md3.swissinfo.org, Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:33:12 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eaaf387b-d0b5-43b6-8302-2d2352f11198 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4627EE67.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The Tudors TV show is yet another example of something that makes me wonder, "Am I the only one?" 19 times out of 20, it doesn't matter how good or how interesting the costumes are in a production; I just can't stand to watch it. I haven't seen more than about 30 seconds of any of the famous costume flicks, like The Lion in Winter, because they just bore the socks off of me. I just cannot block out the contents of a movie well enough to watch it for the costumes. I seem to only be able to watch costume flicks NOT set in the periods I find interesting, like the adaptations of Oscar Wilde plays, or some of the better Jane Austen movies. (I'd walk a marathon for a good Northanger Abbey movie--why don't they make one, already!) If I do find a movie I actually enjoy that's set closer to the eras I find interesting, it's almost never one known for its accuracy--for example, I actually loved A Knight's Tale. Schlock, but such FUN schlock! (Though from what I hear, they at least put some decent effort into researching how jousting really worked, not that I know anything about that.) And yet, of course, so hideously costumed. The Tudors is a great TV example of my conundrum; it's set so very close to my time of interest, with characters whose portraits I have spent years studying, but I don't even enjoy seeing commercials for it, much less feel the least interest in watching the actual show. Whereas Robin Hood, which has to be the most hideously costumed piece of fluff I've watched in quite some time, is a show I can actually stand to watch, studded black leather duster and all. (At least until the overt politics finally get grating enough. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree; quit beating me over the head with it, already!) Am I the only one?! I'd love to be able to settle down and listen to a nice costume flick whilst handsewing, really I would. Sigh. -E House (keeps forgetting which email address to use with this list, argh!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 20:52:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K0qZVE012420 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:52:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3K0qLP7024286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:52:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3JNpEPn040004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JNpBDs048418; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:51:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3JNpAGS048402 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so833844wxc for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:51:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=GgXP2Au1ZPeOpi+WPFGmIeIr+ezrU0QwuZTP01fMwO1JHe3ANGVDu45JC+JKEsNQOSLioIZZAjdGiAi6Yyru2fkgaEHX58GvLSmeJX6z6BJ98imo3oJ5bNloW4JI2ZWQh0BFngTrN8uf5fMVFU4KAPxQGC5wuKyE0/lkY0bAUBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=MpUgEFeKG/u1GPKJGEHBcvBKzXNuODGZtR+IXy+RSQAF0TkYu6/rCLLnDc3fDu35pGZ/9/KjRKDy1luX3pO/1QAuUQdFvDOLcS/Rw42IemCI72uGTzaJGJ8lz7gH76dyM0JZ6olX0IMADCq1UproC9u4QSb93dz2H7j/iyyrh9E= Received: by 10.70.52.5 with SMTP id z5mr4374843wxz.1177026670232; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l48sm2757481wrl.2007.04.19.16.51.09; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:51:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704191800.l3JI0Nsa043865@net.indra.com> <008101c782d2$bba03410$1f00a8c0@compaqub> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:51:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c27f8bf-c8a3-405a-8d63-315d5f0341a7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46280EC5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Simplest solution: you are already doing it. Ignore what you do not like, much like when you were a child and did not want to eat that ... stuff ... mom and dad kept telling you to eat but your mouth screamed for soap to get rid of the taste. If you personally find something so revolting why even talk about it? If you absolutely must torture yourself then turn the volume off. That is what I do with probably the most racist good ol boy commercial there is on Texas TV these days. Thank god it is after 8pm that they show it. I hit mute and all is well. :) Mute, it is your friend .. so is the delete button ... :D Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows > The Tudors TV show is yet another example of something that makes me > wonder, "Am I the > only one?" 19 times out of 20, it doesn't matter how good or how > interesting the costumes > are in a production; I just can't stand to watch it. I haven't seen more > than about 30 > seconds of any of the famous costume flicks, like The Lion in Winter, > because they just > bore the socks off of me. I just cannot block out the contents of a movie > well enough to > watch it for the costumes. > > I seem to only be able to watch costume flicks NOT set in the periods I > find interesting, > like the adaptations of Oscar Wilde plays, or some of the better Jane > Austen movies. (I'd > walk a marathon for a good Northanger Abbey movie--why don't they make > one, already!) If > I do find a movie I actually enjoy that's set closer to the eras I find > interesting, it's > almost never one known for its accuracy--for example, I actually loved A > Knight's Tale. > Schlock, but such FUN schlock! (Though from what I hear, they at least put > some decent > effort into researching how jousting really worked, not that I know > anything about that.) > And yet, of course, so hideously costumed. > > The Tudors is a great TV example of my conundrum; it's set so very close > to my time of > interest, with characters whose portraits I have spent years studying, but > I don't even > enjoy seeing commercials for it, much less feel the least interest in > watching the actual > show. Whereas Robin Hood, which has to be the most hideously costumed > piece of fluff I've > watched in quite some time, is a show I can actually stand to watch, > studded black > leather duster and all. (At least until the overt politics finally get > grating enough. It > doesn't matter if I agree or disagree; quit beating me over the head with > it, already!) > > Am I the only one?! I'd love to be able to settle down and listen to a > nice costume flick > whilst handsewing, really I would. Sigh. > > -E House > (keeps forgetting which email address to use with this list, argh!) > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 21:01:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K11k9L012583 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:01:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3K11WX2030751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:01:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3K10siU048487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K10p2J090380; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K10ma7090345 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:00:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.81.137.69]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGR005N2UT6ELB4@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:00:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:02:09 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <46281111.6070200@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re Tudors on Style - was Re: Tudors on Showtime X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09610b1f-3ccf-4f0b-b576-fcd3618348b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462810ED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Speaking of pictures... Ady, if you see this, are you the one responsible for the "Mistress Hemyngton" and "Master Carter" (I assume that's him on his knee) picture? I did a double-take when I saw that, not expecting to see anything from the Company (then Guild) of St. George / Hengrave Hall folks. Not to mention it's one of the best of the Dory Gean's "black outfit" pictures I've seen - I forgot about the broach she was wearing with it until I saw that. Hey, it was *almost* worth the drivel part of the show to see some of the re-enactor pictures... and *some* of the rest was rather amusing as well. (the actual *show* I liked in general... even if aspects of it bug the heck out of me... as a "fiction based on fact, don't take it too seriously" show... but the Style thing was "oh so Style") -Elisabeth (yes, I'm still around, just muttering quietly to myself about lack of time to play with fiber and needles of all sorts beyond quick pick-up/put-down preemie caps I've been doing in free minutes at kids' stuff) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 21:24:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K1Otxl013249 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:24:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3K1OfLP012231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:24:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3K1O9kN051549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:24:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K1O88p004420; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:24:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cluster1.echolabs.net (smtp-out.echolabs.net [216.52.118.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K1O4Ul004309 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:24:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) X-Scanned-On: fe3 Received: from [64.186.88.248] (account basyefelton@floodcity.net) by blade02.cluster1.echolabs.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0.13) with HTTP id 1043684 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:23:58 -0400 From: "Kirsten Felton" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0.13 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:23:58 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200704191800.l3JI0Nsa043865@net.indra.com> References: <200704191800.l3JI0Nsa043865@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] regarding hiding things about their person Lady spies X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 013f75a2-dac7-460c-ad05-41886757d1a2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46281659.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is an interesting thread, to which I HAVE to add my comments, useless as they are. In the late 1930's a certain forward 14 year old tempted my Dad at the tender age of 8 or so, with Cigarettes hidden in a pocket in the hem, or higher, of her petticoat. now I can't imagine that this young lady invented a new thing, and can certainly imagine someone sewing a Pocket for documents into a petticoat at any age in the past. If I didn't hide them in my corset as was suggested earlier, I would definitely have had them sewn into my petticoat. Kitty in Somerset, PA _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 21:28:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K1SxFY013367 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:28:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3K1SjkB014878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:28:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3K1S9p2051986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:28:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K1S8HX006887; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:28:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K1S59o006857 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 19:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A55A81D02D0; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 01:20:26 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:28:46 -0700 Message-ID: <003601c782eb$3ddf0560$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008101c782d2$bba03410$1f00a8c0@compaqub> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm one of those who can watch, even if there are glaring inaccuracies. = I've been active in live theatre for many years, and so often, because of = budget constraints, or directorial vision,(I recall especially one show, set specifically in 1904, where the director wanted the women dressed in = 1830's ball gowns! Ouch!) historical shows aren't close to what really would = have been worn. I just try to concentrate on the acting/script. If the story = and acting are good, I can forgive a lot. And of course, the worst offenders make it to Bad Movie Night. :-) Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of E House Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:33 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows The Tudors TV show is yet another example of something that makes me = wonder, "Am I the only one?" 19 times out of 20, it doesn't matter how good or how = interesting the costumes are in a production; I just can't stand to watch it. I haven't seen more = than about 30 seconds of any of the famous costume flicks, like The Lion in Winter,=20 because they just bore the socks off of me. I just cannot block out the contents of a = movie=20 well enough to watch it for the costumes. I seem to only be able to watch costume flicks NOT set in the periods I = find interesting, like the adaptations of Oscar Wilde plays, or some of the better Jane = Austen movies. (I'd walk a marathon for a good Northanger Abbey movie--why don't they make = one,=20 already!) If I do find a movie I actually enjoy that's set closer to the eras I find=20 interesting, it's almost never one known for its accuracy--for example, I actually loved A = Knight's Tale. Schlock, but such FUN schlock! (Though from what I hear, they at least = put=20 some decent effort into researching how jousting really worked, not that I know = anything about that.) And yet, of course, so hideously costumed. The Tudors is a great TV example of my conundrum; it's set so very close = to=20 my time of interest, with characters whose portraits I have spent years studying, = but I don't even enjoy seeing commercials for it, much less feel the least interest in=20 watching the actual show. Whereas Robin Hood, which has to be the most hideously costumed = piece=20 of fluff I've watched in quite some time, is a show I can actually stand to watch, = studded black leather duster and all. (At least until the overt politics finally get=20 grating enough. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree; quit beating me over the head = with=20 it, already!) Am I the only one?! I'd love to be able to settle down and listen to a = nice=20 costume flick whilst handsewing, really I would. Sigh. -E House (keeps forgetting which email address to use with this list, argh!)=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 23:01:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K31OVB016005 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:01:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3K31A96001097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:01:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3K2xjQv063637 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:59:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K2xf6Y062973; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K2xbVR062923 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AD84382AE for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:59:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] [Fwd: [costumers_notes] Restoring old fabric] Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:00:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <4627AFC4.7030002@reddawn.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 182b7855-e29c-47aa-a465-0b5220863c5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46282CF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Having not seen the bra or girdle. If the beadwork is intact and only the areas not beaded are falling apart, then you could try to remove the outer layer, cut out the bad spots and applique it to a new foundation BUT if the fabric is shot underneath the beadwork as well, then I would recommend that the bra and girdle be retired. Fray checking the back of the beading "might" help if appliqueing but if it is that old then it really should be retired and brought out once in a while as an example for new dancers. De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 23:21:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K3LctV016639 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:21:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3K3LOBC001024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:21:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3K3Krma066051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:20:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K3KpAi074616; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:20:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K3KlKE074522 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:20:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.cd8.f9acd28 (48600) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:20:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:20:28 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Forwarding posts, was [costumers_notes] Restoring old fabric To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5017 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe1e1a6a-8de5-473f-be15-608180fc3d0e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462831B4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 20/04/2007 04:00:34 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Gosh, I do this on a regular basis if I have permission of the person who wrote the note...maybe I am missing the point; who is supposed to be the offended person? The recipients or the person who wrote the original note? Confused in AZ, Sg It shouldn't be a huge problem. Once you put something onto any kind of web list or forum it's in the public domain. If you don't want it forwarding, you should either say so, or deal with whatever it is privately, and off list / forum. Forwarding or making public something that was meant to be private is something else completely, as I keep telling people on a LH forum I moderate. But you never know who's about lurking anyway, so if somebody's that bothered about something being passed on, they should think twice about posting (gave somebody talking about me (not nastily) a shock the other day by de-lurking on yet another forum :o) ) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 19 23:34:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K3YJAK016985 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:34:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3K3Y5dZ028519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:34:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3K3XioS067681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K3Xhc9081911; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:33:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K3Xdqc081867 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:33:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08575 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:32:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:32:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Forwarding posts, was [costumers_notes] Restoring old fabric In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 001cf8d1-96fe-4a70-9711-d1606a8438ae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462834AD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 Debloughcostumes@aol.com wrote: > Once you put something onto any kind of web list or forum it's in the > public domain. Um, not exactly. I hate to bring up the c-word here, but the author still retains rights over his or her postings. The post may be publicly viewable or accessible, but it is not public domain. (I think it was obvious what you meant here, but I get nervous when I see phrases like that misused, as they can be taken at face value by others.) This is the same point more often raised about things like photos -- just because they're on the 'net doesn't mean they're public property and can be republished or otherwise used by anyone at will. Of course you're right that it's simply common sense not to commit to electrons anything you wouldn't want your best friend, your worst enemy, your mother, or your boss to read. But regardless of whether (technically) "anyone" might be lurking and could see a post, it's reasonable to expect that you're dealing with a certain audience, if loosely defined, when you post to a list. And regardless of whether it's technically possible for anyone to see your posts assuming they knew where to look, it's simple bad netiquette for a person to reproduce your words (and your e-mail address) elsewhere without your permission. So it comes down to "play nice." Ask permission. It's the courteous thing to do. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 05:05:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K95VuA031308 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:05:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3K95Hlk031061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:05:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3K94Fxd009939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K94BUF048959; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:04:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K9474f048876 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAF4fKEbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQCgEBAQEHCAYHBh0 Received: from [80.47.141.217] (port=1380 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hep1r-000OG6-1s for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:03:43 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070420095204.036bb890@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:03:56 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <008101c782d2$bba03410$1f00a8c0@compaqub> References: <200704191800.l3JI0Nsa043865@net.indra.com> <008101c782d2$bba03410$1f00a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] The Tudors on the BBC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4db58f15-8485-4c7e-a3e2-1012d55924a3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4628824E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 05:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Taken from the Daily Mail this morning:- "The show has been a hit in the U.S. and the BBC has just snapped up the UK broadcast rights. I'm told "The Tudors" is done in the style of The Sopranos mixed with Desperate Housewives. Obviously, historical accuracy is being stretched somewhat because Ms. Dormer (Anne Boleyn) rejoins Rhys Meyers and others for the second series. Maybe the American screenwriters know more about our country's history than we do, and Anne gets to keep her head!!" Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 10:43:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KEhTgr005335 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:43:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KEhF1w017846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:43:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KEfxqb055759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KEftxV056651; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:41:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KEfr9c056619 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so1021882anc for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:41:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=aeug11WK2gi6ihHtTbX6k1Z+VUrzsqAXrUh2b+rAKJ7QcGd9hrd8Ze9P+DU4D6azP7MR+h1nitW6f7fcnXgatRyJuHvUlwjC8SXBdBzT6mLOePrxfrQX4JiXRGT5toDaaRthe6+rz5kDpQ+3Ajyxso3crpTce/dL06JShU7jNjw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=AYv4OLJZ5zCjrXkkXULM4MlzBTXkCIoRXCzSxFqKPU6jB4cFxoT2CnZthq0zVKgSYtiCMyltrFdESWkLpdaBBTIMzAlK9mrorcyfJT9hVroOE0yM6f7ijRYGzwHpzFvM7b9OtQcQVbzZ3NDlhMLchQ4LbMKqE2VGkI3Cpo61zag= Received: by 10.100.121.12 with SMTP id t12mr1763740anc.1177080112947; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 10sm3446118wrl.2007.04.20.07.41.52; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704191800.l3JI0Nsa043865@net.indra.com><008101c782d2$bba03410$1f00a8c0@compaqub> <7.0.1.0.2.20070420095204.036bb890@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors on the BBC Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:30:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 135ae865-546e-4958-9457-e5f0c3a24e95 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4628D183.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That is a HUGE stretch of a description for the show ... but I imagine that is all part of the marketing machine trying to attract viewers overseas if they like those kinds of shows. But trust me, they do not have those similarities. Desperate Housewives has actual friendships and Sopranos have more that two murders. ;) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:03 AM Subject: [h-cost] The Tudors on the BBC > > Taken from the Daily Mail this morning:- > > "The show has been a hit in the U.S. and the BBC has just snapped up the > UK broadcast rights. I'm told "The Tudors" is done in the style of The > Sopranos mixed with Desperate Housewives. Obviously, historical accuracy > is being stretched somewhat because Ms. Dormer (Anne Boleyn) rejoins Rhys > Meyers and others for the second series. > > Maybe the American screenwriters know more about our country's history > than we do, and Anne gets to keep her head!!" > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 11:43:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KFhj1R007684 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:43:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KFhVlC026351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:43:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KFg73b066165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KFg1oh012443; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:42:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KFfumq012320 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.c96.d85f069 (29672) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:41:45 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:41:45 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors on the BBC To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4279f740-ed73-40b3-8d2e-583bb81f5c13 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4628DFA3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Who's governing the country? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 11:55:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KFtcIh008170 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:55:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KFtOhH012961 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:55:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KFsi4d068408 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:54:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KFsgYs024451; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.186]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3K3Ud8i080218 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 21:30:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 72500 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2007 03:30:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nC/EA/HcvlqZiAoNRQM9osw9TS839SAdiH5zyyZfBxQJLjdYbj+vYIZOM+2HtVVSe+ct0AKYajfh+XLmIqR6hdGJqaubntjh/2kTMlegVY01dRzDXrstMHn5tp2KEeawzHIORKMCEwcm0JVdgKOqKsELBifYTI9o2vqW5HAk1+s=; X-YMail-OSG: 64PgbmIVM1kLx1eVafoHFDa51bATE7gGUWIiCUOUfViuNy7qdOH8oDeYqK.31I7NHsHcKUZJLKPDPt2rmVuURzd4.uqtKhbr1MA4soi72OoEgqS3m6E- Received: from [208.67.10.163] by web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:30:33 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:30:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <442683.71935.qm@web55307.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Restoring old fabric X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db5238df-ce6b-40e3-a768-7243a5b79f54 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4628E26D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Could the front of the bra/girdle with the beading be covered with silk organza and it tacked in several places to hold? I saw that done to reinforce areas falling apart on a quilt. The silk is sheer and lets the work be seen and supports the frayng bits. Jodi --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 11:59:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KFx6EF008307 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:59:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KFwqrM011600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:58:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KFw0nl069098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:58:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KFvuLB027851; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from md3.swissinfo.org (md3.swissinfo.org [146.159.4.94]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3K5r1nj049933 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 23:53:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) Received: from mail.swissinfo.org ([194.6.181.33]) by md3.swissinfo.org (md3.swissinfo.org) (MDaemon PRO v9.5.3) with ESMTP id md50025363396.msg for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:53:06 +0200 Received: from compaqub (24.216.120.37) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 45DAE0BC02AAAFCC for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:52:57 +0200 Message-ID: <00b101c78310$306e2a30$1f00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <003601c782eb$3ddf0560$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:53:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Processed: md3.swissinfo.org, Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:53:06 +0200 (not processed: spam filter heuristic analysis disabled) X-MDRemoteIP: 194.6.181.33 X-Return-Path: swissgirl@swissinfo.org X-Envelope-From: swissgirl@swissinfo.org X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: h-costume@indra.com X-MDAV-Processed: md3.swissinfo.org, Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:53:06 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 582fe4aa-9b6f-4917-8937-946a7baa09e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4628E33D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the least trying to criticize people who do enjoy watching that kind of thing--I'm actually wishing that I COULD enjoy it, like everyone else seems to! I want in on the fun! But I'm the sort of person who has never seen a single soap opera episode and could never, ever watch the movie Beaches unless tied to a chair with my eyelids propped open. I am a guy with boobs, and not one of those sensitive 90s guys, either. I am doomed to only being able to enjoy a costume flick if it also contains pirates, bear-worshipping neanderthals, or garderobe humor. Ok, I'll settle for just plain humor of any sort. Mmm, Bad Movie Night. Maybe I could watch Dangerous Beauty or Somewhere in Time if there were little robot silhouettes at the bottom of the screen... -Elmer House (I'm sure they're wonderful movies! Really! I believe you! I'm going to go watch Monty Python now! Or possibly South Park!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 12:05:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KG4xr9008546 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:04:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KG4jab002624 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:04:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KG4GBE070271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:04:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KG4DeS034617; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KG46oM034479 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:04:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 845B42E8336 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:58:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 172B62E80BA for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:58:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16202 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:04:05 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:03:32 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <46281111.6070200@verizon.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Order of the Sealed Knot Thread-Index: AceC51UxW8N8IAumQiuSdOGmRM0L6gAfF8SA References: <46281111.6070200@verizon.net> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Order of the Sealed Knot X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1238cc2-8bb9-48f4-9161-6b5d5499c7a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4628E49E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 Just for fun, I'm planning to dress four 16" vinyl dolls(Wilde Imaginations Ellowyne Wilde doll)in historical or at least historical cut/modern fabrics in RenFaire-inspired dress. Just one, I'm planning to dress, probably for a less flamboyant era, so I'm considering doing UK Civil War/Commonwealth. Since I'm on the "west" side of the pond, I don't see at RenFaires, plays, TV, movies, much in the way of costumes during the English Civil War and Commonwealth. I do have a few books on mid 17th century costuming, most noteably, Riberio's "Fashion and Fiction" and Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800. I did find the Order of the Sealed Knot's website, which I gather is probably as big in the UK for reinactors as both the Revolutionary War and "our" Civil War is here in the U.S.=20 Fabric is not a problem, but sources are. Right now, I'm thinking of doing something along the lines of using Hunnisett's pattern for the "Commonwealth bodice" for starters and adapting Hollar's illustration for "Winter"=20 Any other suggestions? Thank you Cindy Abel =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 12:10:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KGAh5D008772 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:10:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KGATjA028775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:10:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KG9fx0071530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KG9Zu7039970; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:09:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KG9W1B039926 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 09D922E8330 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:03:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 900F62E832F for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:03:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22485 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:09:24 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:08:42 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008101c782d2$bba03410$1f00a8c0@compaqub> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows Thread-Index: AceC0sCGY/Dyzlv+SqCG/XhqiZwDpQAksXSw References: <200704191800.l3JI0Nsa043865@net.indra.com> <008101c782d2$bba03410$1f00a8c0@compaqub> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abd38f71-7fb2-48de-8e58-a4c0d2dba528 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4628E5F5.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cynthia Abel=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 13:02:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KH2BQ7010711 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:02:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KH1vsO022174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:02:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KH0YCr082311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:00:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KH0TIu085753; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:00:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3KH0PWb085602 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:00:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9435 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2007 17:00:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dRnk4jUyvTGX+dPzXtjm00DVBIam27T2ETDRQmqh93R7pgv874qBQiTOz0tdWP0C1TZNYiwx/ve74s3nY8fWdKEtYgCMD/9ujit5BrrVvLIhANpDn+4t6bSwHtJu6reUw75Fn6rRxI6T/V9vFPinCAh0tCn0Vp7kaKtQW7Aw79M=; X-YMail-OSG: 3x3iWWIVM1nEVbv.KQR8.PecfRDyswRIf6cIrLTOjwYnM5BM Received: from [208.179.44.218] by web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:00:19 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:00:19 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors on the BBC To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070420095204.036bb890@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <991260.6731.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f7bffa84-b43c-408d-b410-7c7199a87f4f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4628F205.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No, the first series only goes up to the Great Divorce. My favorite irony, though, is that Dormer is the name of one of the stars, and Jane Dormer was one of Queen Mary's (Katherine of Aragon's daughter) maids of honour. No point in turning off the volume. The clothes are so bloody awful, the story (such as it is) is the only reason to watch it. I'm trying to think of it as being set on another planet, since it bears only a superficial resemblence to anything I know about the court of Henry VIII. And at least it isn't that goddawful Robin Hood. MaggiRos --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > > Maybe the American screenwriters know more about our > country's > history than we do, and Anne gets to keep her > head!!" > > Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 15:46:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KJkMMk015861 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:46:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KJk8GH002496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:46:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KJinxa008817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KJiiuu034014; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:44:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KJifNU033873 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Appin1@aol.com) Received: from Appin1@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.1.) id 6.d5a.7519dc6 (45777) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WEBMAIL-RD06 (webmail-rd06.webmail.aol.com [152.163.16.134]) by ciaaol-r02.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR025-b2d14629181e218; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:44:30 -0400 References: <46281111.6070200@verizon.net> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Order of the Sealed Knot Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:44:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: appin1@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 25045 Received: from 128.231.88.4 by WEBMAIL-RD06.sysops.aol.com (152.163.16.134) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:44:30 -0400 Message-Id: <8C9519B72A4776D-240-12016@WEBMAIL-RD06.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 152.163.16.134 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b52e073b-9507-4634-9d32-b93ced9d57e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46291880.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Cindy, What exactly are you looking for? I've been an English Cvil War reenactor for some 20 years and have lsts of resources. I'm also on "this" side of the pond. Kathleen Norvell -----Original Message----- From: CynthiaAbel@creighton.edu To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:03 PM Subject: [h-cost] Order of the Sealed Knot Just for fun, I'm planning to dress four 16" vinyl dolls(Wilde Imaginations Ellowyne Wilde doll)in historical or at least historical cut/modern fabrics in RenFaire-inspired dress. Just one, I'm planning to dress, probably for a less flamboyant era, so I'm considering doing UK Civil War/Commonwealth. Since I'm on the "west" side of the pond, I don't see at RenFaires, plays, TV, movies, much in the way of costumes during the English Civil War and Commonwealth. I do have a few books on mid 17th century costuming, most noteably, Riberio's "Fashion and Fiction" and Hunnisett's "Period Costume for Stage and Screen 1500-1800. I did find the Order of the Sealed Knot's website, which I gather is probably as big in the UK for reinactors as both the Revolutionary War and "our" Civil War is here in the U.S. Fabric is not a problem, but sources are. Right now, I'm thinking of doing something along the lines of using Hunnisett's pattern for the "Commonwealth bodice" for starters and adapting Hollar's illustration for "Winter" Any other suggestions? Thank you Cindy Abel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 16:57:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KKv33T019093 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:57:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KKunCx022414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:56:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KKtsLS019999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KKtomv091336; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:55:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KKtkGT091288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:55:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.250] (209-148-118-250.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.250]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3KKtiAA018421 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:55:45 -0700 Message-ID: <462928D1.5070205@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:55:45 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fab4e801-cc67-41b7-9a85-9335e1caa87d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46292911.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am thinking of getting a second sewing machine table, to put a modern machine on. I really love the antique treadle tables with an iron base, and, the great part, a big hinged fold-out leaf on the left side on which you can support long skirts while sewing them. They are really attractive and useful pieces of furniture. OK, the drawers aren't very big; but I don't really expect sewing machine table drawers to do much more than hold a few things like bobbins and scissors. I have other furniture for real storage. Anyway, I already have a lovely oak sewing table, which is from my old childhood antique treadle machine that my parents sent to me when we moved into this house. I took the machine itself out, gave it away to someone, had the hole filled up with a nice piece of antique oak, and put my Viking on top. Now I want a second one. But, since I didn't even buy the first one in the San Francisco area, I'm not sure where to buy another one. What with the cast iron base, they're not the lightest items to ship, so I'd rather buy one locally if I can. What I'm working around to asking is, does anyone know where to buy such a table/cabinet in the San Francisco Bay Area? I would rather have one that I did not have to take the machine out of and then find someone who wants the machine, but I will do that if necessary. Thanks for any info. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 17:08:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KL8orA019420 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:08:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KL8aBL000952 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:08:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KL7bqj021845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KL7aX0001085; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KL7Wnh001012 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-185-79-207.neo.res.rr.com [65.185.79.207]) by ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3KL7Tmf019439 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d701c7838f$e8344490$0202a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <462928D1.5070205@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:07:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c5a5a7a3-ce04-46ae-b34f-8d2bc9ef370a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46292BD4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Look around at garage sales and at sewing machine repair stores. You'll pay more at the store, but you may be able to get them to keep the machine lower the price a bit. I bought my 1904 Singer at a garage sale for $25 years ago; the shop had the same machine and cabinet for around $100. With regards, kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 4:55 PM Subject: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets >I am thinking of getting a second sewing machine table, to put a modern >machine on. I really love the antique treadle tables with an iron base, >and, the great part, a big hinged fold-out leaf on the left side on which >you can support long skirts while sewing them. They are really attractive >and useful pieces of furniture. OK, the drawers aren't very big; but I >don't really expect sewing machine table drawers to do much more than hold >a few things like bobbins and scissors. I have other furniture for real >storage. > > Anyway, I already have a lovely oak sewing table, which is from my old > childhood antique treadle machine that my parents sent to me when we moved > into this house. I took the machine itself out, gave it away to someone, > had the hole filled up with a nice piece of antique oak, and put my Viking > on top. > > Now I want a second one. But, since I didn't even buy the first one in the > San Francisco area, I'm not sure where to buy another one. What with the > cast iron base, they're not the lightest items to ship, so I'd rather buy > one locally if I can. > > What I'm working around to asking is, does anyone know where to buy such a > table/cabinet in the San Francisco Bay Area? I would rather have one that > I did not have to take the machine out of and then find someone who wants > the machine, but I will do that if necessary. > > Thanks for any info. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 17:47:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KLlnoE020297 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:47:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KLlZkD017109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:47:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KLkse8028930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KLkoAg032936; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:46:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KLkmBj032909 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [68.57.35.93] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1Hf0wG1PdI-0008S8; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:46:45 -0400 Message-ID: <00bd01c78395$48560070$6400a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <462928D1.5070205@lavoltapress.com> <00d701c7838f$e8344490$0202a8c0@Duncan> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:45:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+3kLbJ7r6nJBiEUz7xIlcIc9WP7WiFcasgpw5 xziPTnU5SkZ1BKO/YL28N/sjt7A515CUjwuIv0i9MvBc+6W3fJ wf6tZqUvzyMQxGTRxI+7w== X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=27% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1bc6955e-a119-4d61-9f71-381dcf9c4223 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462934F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have 4 sewing machines and an extra table. My table used to have a machine. A repairman was repairing my machine and died. The contents of his store took years in probate. I never got my machine back. This broke my heart because my Dad bought the machine for my 8th birthday. The table is the only thing I have that my Dad gave me. Last year, I bought a perfectly restored 1887 Standard machine in its original cabinet. The original attachments came with it. The cost was $175 after negotiating for an hour. I got the treadle machine at an antique show. Another machine from the 1920s, I purchased at a garage sale for $20. It is more for decoration in my office. I have never plugged it in to see if it works. My third machine is a Kenmore machine from the 1970s. I bought it from a vacuum cleaner repair shop not long after I got married in 1978. I replaced this machine with a new fancy machine last year. Sadly, I haven't had much time to play with my new machine and the treadle. You might want to check if your local vacuum repair shops have a table. In my area they are the ones who repair sewing machines. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 18:08:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KM8moa021631 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:08:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KM8YYM021712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:08:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KM7d38032742 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:07:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KM7bX2048756; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:07:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.221]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KM7Y0m048666 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:07:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc3-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:07:29 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:07:29 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.228.214 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:07:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.228.214] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <462928D1.5070205@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:06:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:06:05 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2007 22:07:29.0212 (UTC) FILETIME=[4957FFC0:01C78398] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a6c9c16c-b071-4392-9341-33444f907b00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462939E2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lavolta Press=20 To: h-costume@indra.com=20 Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets I _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 18:42:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KMg6op022406 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:42:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KMfqAL028222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:41:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KMfHdc038279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:41:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KMfFpv072940; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:41:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.225.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KMfBie072850 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704202241.l3KMfBie072850@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070420224106b1500slrbge>; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:41:06 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:41:08 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows In-Reply-To: <00b101c78310$306e2a30$1f00a8c0@compaqub> References: <003601c782eb$3ddf0560$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <00b101c78310$306e2a30$1f00a8c0@compaqub> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 70014694-abd1-49e1-9c14-0e00bb5db610 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462941B0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 20 18:46:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KMk6RF022483 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:46:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3KMjqx6011105 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:45:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3KMjV1a039148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:45:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KMjRxE076057; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:45:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc15.comcast.net (alnrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.225.95]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3KMjPNP075944 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:45:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704202245.l3KMjPNP075944@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070420224519b1500snik1e>; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:45:19 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:45:22 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors on the BBC In-Reply-To: <991260.6731.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070420095204.036bb890@suziclarke.co.uk> <991260.6731.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d1eaefd-5377-4505-9b14-87e973c58e8d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462942A0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 01:00 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote: >And at least it isn't that goddawful Robin Hood. > >MaggiRos heee. I LIKE Robin Hood. (When I remember to watch it, that is.) For me, Robin Hood has always been at least 90% fantasy anyway, so I don't care about the costumes. But The Tudors is supposed to depict real people, that we KNOW really did exist, and we have pictures of how they dressed. That, for me, sums up the problem with The Tudors in a nutshell. But then, I don't read romance novels, either. And no, I haven't watched it. I figger I'd throw things at the TV, and I can't afford a new TV. :-) Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 09:03:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LD3Kxg017399 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:03:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LD36lj007456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:03:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LD1w0q048162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:01:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LD1u3j079183; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:01:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3L1Mh3q067199 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:22:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.1.) id 6.c89.f86e34f (58677) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:22:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:22:36 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors on the BBC To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc81de3e-0297-4281-a90e-b3fb7bf998ed X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462A0B8A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/20/2007 6:46:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goofy4@comcast.net writes: Robin Hood has always been at least 90% fantasy anyway *************** Yeah, but it is HISTORICAL fantasy in that the events that are the catalyst for the whole thing concern real people [Richard the Lionhearted and King John] and events [the crusades] so there's no excuse for nutty costuming. It's like saying "Gone With the Wind" should just ignore hoop skirts. [Indeed, for the time that film was made, the costumes are very accurate]. Robin Hood is really only like 65.02% fantasy. I mean, is one going to have it take place in the period or not? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 09:03:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LD3MKF017405 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:03:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LD38Bv018581 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:03:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LD1rSx048152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LD1kRK079064; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:01:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3L1CI23062268 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:12:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A32549103EA; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:04:37 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:13:01 -0700 Message-ID: <006101c783b2$34b12370$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <00b101c78310$306e2a30$1f00a8c0@compaqub> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 72d4f128-8c13-48b6-8cb5-432408619aa7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462A0B8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO We recently watched both "Tarzan" and "Bolero", the Bo Derek movies. My husband doesn't think we'll be able to top these for a LONG time.=20 :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of E House Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:53 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the least trying to criticize people who = do=20 enjoy watching that kind of thing--I'm actually wishing that I COULD = enjoy=20 it, like everyone else seems to! I want in on the fun! But I'm the sort of person who has never seen a single soap opera = episode=20 and could never, ever watch the movie Beaches unless tied to a chair = with my eyelids propped open. I am a guy with boobs, and not one of those = sensitive 90s guys, either. I am doomed to only being able to enjoy a costume = flick=20 if it also contains pirates, bear-worshipping neanderthals, or garderobe = humor. Ok, I'll settle for just plain humor of any sort. Mmm, Bad Movie Night. Maybe I could watch Dangerous Beauty or Somewhere = in=20 Time if there were little robot silhouettes at the bottom of the = screen... -Elmer House (I'm sure they're wonderful movies! Really! I believe you! I'm going = to=20 go watch Monty Python now! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 09:09:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LD9fl0017678 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:09:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LD9RKY000672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:09:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LD99eA049814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:09:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LD98Dk085232; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:09:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.253.110]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LD94hR085195 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from SRS0=03pDRC=JY=benchite.com=megan@yourhostingaccount.com) Received: from mailscan42.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.42] helo=mailscan42.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout13.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1HfFKq-0006GF-4V for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:09:04 -0400 Received: from authsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.8] ident=exim) by mailscan42.yourhostingaccount.com with spamscanlookuphost (Exim) id 1HfFKq-0006DX-1n for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:09:04 -0400 Received: from authsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.8] helo=authsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan42.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1HfFKp-0006DT-AY for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:09:03 -0400 Received: from c-69-138-4-46.hsd1.md.comcast.net ([69.138.4.46] helo=[192.168.1.201]) by authsmtp08.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1HfFKp-0005yk-5X for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:09:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <006201c783b2$879a1d30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <006201c783b2$879a1d30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <395C8601-8834-4F36-BB96-D84A90806EB1@benchite.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Megan Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:13:49 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-EN-UserInfo: aee0812f62e51b1daca100f4a85e249e:b9330c256c7a49b4fc210418bef22946 X-EN-AuthUser: mmchugh X-EN-OrigIP: 69.138.4.46 X-EN-OrigHost: c-69-138-4-46.hsd1.md.comcast.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c8a4cd4-862b-4252-a286-308e3ca2777c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462A0D07.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Why not get a treadle and use it as a treadle? Over on treadleon at quiltropolis we all actually use the antique machines. Best straight stitch ever. My preferred method of sewing, actually. But, if you want just the table, I'm sure you can find one locally on ebay or craigslist or freecycle- I see them advertised alot. You should be able to pick up a decent one for less than $100, perhaps even for free as sometimes people just want them out of the house and unless one of us treadle-loving people is around, they are often considered junk. Whatever you decide, I'm sure it won't take long for you to find one. It took me a year to find my first one, now they just show up without me having to look at all. I have severe overstock but live on the wrong side of the country from you. -Megan On Apr 20, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I assume you have already checked/posted on Craig's List? > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Lavolta Press > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:56 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets > > > I am thinking of getting a second sewing machine table, to put a > modern > machine on. I really love the antique treadle tables with an iron > base, > and, the great part, a big hinged fold-out leaf on the left side on > which you can support long skirts while sewing them. They are really > attractive and useful pieces of furniture. OK, the drawers aren't > very > big; but I don't really expect sewing machine table drawers to do much > more than hold a few things like bobbins and scissors. I have other > furniture for real storage. > > Anyway, I already have a lovely oak sewing table, which is from my old > childhood antique treadle machine that my parents sent to me when we > moved into this house. I took the machine itself out, gave it away to > someone, had the hole filled up with a nice piece of antique oak, and > put my Viking on top. > > Now I want a second one. But, since I didn't even buy the first one in > the San Francisco area, I'm not sure where to buy another one. What > with > the cast iron base, they're not the lightest items to ship, so I'd > rather buy one locally if I can. > > What I'm working around to asking is, does anyone know where to buy > such > a table/cabinet in the San Francisco Bay Area? I would rather have > one > that I did not have to take the machine out of and then find > someone who > wants the machine, but I will do that if necessary. > > Thanks for any info. > > Fran > Lavolta Press > http://www.lavoltapress.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 10:07:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LE7K2x020073 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:07:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LE76Rt013991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:07:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LE5rIh055685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:05:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LE5oY4016317; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:05:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com (imo-m14.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LE5ka4016236 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:05:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.1.) id 6.c2d.f61e655 (58435) for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:05:30 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:05:30 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad2a8a12-dafe-45fb-830a-53705d8da1ec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462A1A8A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/21/2007 9:02:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: "Tarzan" and "Bolero", the Bo Derek *********** Tarzan! HAHAHAHAHAHA! What a riotous mess! It's so bad it's hysterical. I love Richard Harris' [an actor I love to hate] advice to his daughter Bo when she's about to be raped by a big black buck: "Leave your body! Let your mind leave your body!" Thanks Daddy! The rest is just excuses for Bo to get wet in her frilly knickers. Too funny. Remember "Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes"? Also not very good, but fantastic costumes. Now that's 100% fantasy and still works well [as the script will allow] with correct period stuff! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 11:00:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LF0GwX022244 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:00:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LF02w8013507 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:00:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LExJZI062785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:59:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LExI8h049840; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:59:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LExFni049763 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:59:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49160] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.14.1 r(15310M)) with ESMTP id 71/F5-23849-AB62A264 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:59:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200704211309.l3LD99eX085237@net.indra.com> References: <200704211309.l3LD99eX085237@net.indra.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:58:56 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: sewing machine cabinet... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1fbbbe3b-3a34-4e7d-abc7-1813c1f4882c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462A26F2.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 7:09 AM -0600 4/21/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > >I am thinking of getting a second sewing machine table, to put a modern >>machine on. I really love the antique treadle tables with an iron base, >>and, the great part, a big hinged fold-out leaf on the left side on which >>you can support long skirts while sewing them. They are really attractive >>and useful pieces of furniture. OK, the drawers aren't very big; but I >>don't really expect sewing machine table drawers to do much more than hold >>a few things like bobbins and scissors. I have other furniture for real > >storage. And you can pop a modern longer foot print machine in if you take the metal spring lift thingie off of the right side of the opening---then the machine sits level...of course my loverly RadioMatic ZigZag (it's a Japan Clone of the shorter body) just popped in, no mods. needed AND it could also be a treadle--love to shock my 'latest bestest computer controlled' machine friends when they come over. And my Amish friends want me to score them another There are a fair number of the treadle bases out on the West Coast. Check out Junke Shoppes and Craigslist and the FreeCycle folks. Ta Carol -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 11:07:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LF7n7v022509 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:07:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LF7ZoV022648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:07:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LD1rMb048151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:01:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LD1mon079083; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:01:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3L1EeBC063482 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 19:14:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A3B113C602DC; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 01:06:57 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:15:20 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c783b2$879a1d30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <462928D1.5070205@lavoltapress.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I assume you have already checked/posted on Craig's List? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Lavolta Press Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:56 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets I am thinking of getting a second sewing machine table, to put a modern machine on. I really love the antique treadle tables with an iron base, and, the great part, a big hinged fold-out leaf on the left side on which you can support long skirts while sewing them. They are really attractive and useful pieces of furniture. OK, the drawers aren't very big; but I don't really expect sewing machine table drawers to do much more than hold a few things like bobbins and scissors. I have other furniture for real storage. Anyway, I already have a lovely oak sewing table, which is from my old childhood antique treadle machine that my parents sent to me when we moved into this house. I took the machine itself out, gave it away to someone, had the hole filled up with a nice piece of antique oak, and put my Viking on top. Now I want a second one. But, since I didn't even buy the first one in the San Francisco area, I'm not sure where to buy another one. What with the cast iron base, they're not the lightest items to ship, so I'd rather buy one locally if I can. What I'm working around to asking is, does anyone know where to buy such a table/cabinet in the San Francisco Bay Area? I would rather have one that I did not have to take the machine out of and then find someone who wants the machine, but I will do that if necessary. Thanks for any info. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 11:07:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LF7n7x022509 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:07:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LF7ZoX022648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:07:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LD2uOc048424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LD2tLd080133; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3L4oQY9062040 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:50:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so965869nzf for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:50:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sEHP9MuwMlo4d3pWdSH8XzEWiWeNbOz8c0s6ux3EqOFrppbfxXHefhkx07geB5T3Qssrwfl0+mtMR5HLtQdc9To2dfGZJYoz5hZZrY6V7PsZCFbmoH7Ku86x05reWNQ9wI+w+196qf7DBTmtypfpFRJ5KMdtHMboqjyvwbZw4B4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tpXx1oJPWHJO1Vlkfu7GUfyGEwR6F/UEmsVP9wFOc03rE3QTek5OSd4gFUzjF/2oT4Wv0cA06F3D5oCxqksTrqLNASdBUiIv6w+ed4RdfAsno8aDmuebkMhGlQTfXp0JJL5eBcNl1RgpequxZ1ZVkWALpGGCFg7moC4c42gnFFc= Received: by 10.65.159.2 with SMTP id l2mr7465515qbo.1177131025809; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.83.10 with HTTP; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0704202150j545b2818m1ac6f44dd6f9e6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:50:25 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <462928D1.5070205@lavoltapress.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf251460-b438-4796-931a-d4384e2ce833 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462A28B7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fran, you might also want to check the Vintage Flea Market on Alameda Point - first Sunday of every month. I have seen them there, with and without machines. But like all flea markets, it's hit or miss when one will be there. Look around and ask people. Most of the folks there are business people and they might be willing to look for a table for you, for a charge. My husband says they have expanded. The second Sunday of every month they will be in San Mateo, but he's not sure where. Check the website, which neither of us can remember. Google Point Alameda Flea market or something like that. LynnD On 4/20/07, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > I see them on Craig's list a lot. Also, you might want to check your > local "recycle" yahoo group. They show up there periodically. > > Sg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lavolta Press > To: h-costume@indra.com > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:55 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets > > > I > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 13:01:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LH18AG026502 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:01:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LH0sKY020287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:00:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LGxiOU079361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:59:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LGxeZA029434; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:59:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LGxaO0029395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:59:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.134] (209-148-118-134.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3LGxX5b002309 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:59:35 -0700 Message-ID: <462A42F5.2020203@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:59:33 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets References: <006201c783b2$879a1d30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <006201c783b2$879a1d30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d4fd6f3-4fff-40f1-9512-5c508ee0e3a1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462A4346.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Sharon Collier wrote: > I assume you have already checked/posted on Craig's List? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 13:07:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LH7Lhe027609 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:07:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LH75xd015049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:07:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LH6ccN080639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:06:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LH6aw4034378; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:06:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LH6V4R034314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.134] (209-148-118-134.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.134]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3LH6Tha032234 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:06:30 -0700 Message-ID: <462A4498.3080907@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:06:32 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Antique treadle sewing machine cabinets References: <006201c783b2$879a1d30$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <395C8601-8834-4F36-BB96-D84A90806EB1@benchite.com> In-Reply-To: <395C8601-8834-4F36-BB96-D84A90806EB1@benchite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59f94e0a-a81f-422a-b40c-d99ef2dd3ba4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462A44B9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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You should be > able to pick up a decent one for less than $100, perhaps even for free > as sometimes people just want them out of the house and unless one of > us treadle-loving people is around, they are often considered junk. Thanks. Fran _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 14:14:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LIEC6t030656 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:14:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LIDuvU017137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:14:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LIClI4088619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:12:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LIChb8075619; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:12:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52801.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52801.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3LICcmj075511 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 66959 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2007 18:12:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hJuC/WK/z0S0l4lQA5DDNdg0B8b9X/UDxilfc92HUTliTp1xkgWd7lqGvND3VTLgKfIISOquqFdAHbDfZ7/QhIweYzhWejmFsehf7sSusofOVsn/zHpKBfILUPhZFtR0MtH4Qzh6ALpoDXNhrG8NrEpYbQkTdfF++dUWlcdrr2Q=; X-YMail-OSG: .7rvdcoVM1mkClMqtsk8dMUzuFnEI6VrLWcCAVn9ymMl4jF.MYyQImO2VBJ0zRvSlp.kSUE0Slp7eqTA8iQq6mIKG_pgKcbaLx4CZMRsMKNtBHriRGOUKOPgnMqGRQ-- Received: from [68.103.26.71] by web52801.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:12:33 PDT Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:12:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <006101c783b2$34b12370$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <557589.66935.qm@web52801.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84d12f61-fa56-4c12-b190-8f2e67dc1188 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462A5464.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robot silhouettes! A fellow Mistie! Best show EVER! Obligatory costume comment (although not period) -- great skit from Teenagers from Outer Space, w/ all the duct tape costumes -- and quite prescient, given the proliferation of "Make Your Prom Dress from Duct Tape" kinds of contests. Okay, back to lurking. KP Sharon Collier wrote: We recently watched both "Tarzan" and "Bolero", the Bo Derek movies. My husband doesn't think we'll be able to top these for a LONG time. :-) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of E House Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:53 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the least trying to criticize people who do enjoy watching that kind of thing--I'm actually wishing that I COULD enjoy it, like everyone else seems to! I want in on the fun! But I'm the sort of person who has never seen a single soap opera episode and could never, ever watch the movie Beaches unless tied to a chair with my eyelids propped open. I am a guy with boobs, and not one of those sensitive 90s guys, either. I am doomed to only being able to enjoy a costume flick if it also contains pirates, bear-worshipping neanderthals, or garderobe humor. Ok, I'll settle for just plain humor of any sort. Mmm, Bad Movie Night. Maybe I could watch Dangerous Beauty or Somewhere in Time if there were little robot silhouettes at the bottom of the screen... -Elmer House (I'm sure they're wonderful movies! Really! I believe you! I'm going to go watch Monty Python now! Or possibly South Park!) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 17:30:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LLUX0R005830 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:30:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LLUJ1W018066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:30:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LLTH21012573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:29:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LLTD0J093262; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LLT8XQ093167 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:29:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAIIeKkbUSnIMi2dsb2JhbACQCwEBARANBg Received: from [80.43.74.130] (port=1263 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HfN8g-00005J-QA for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:29:02 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070421222002.0370db00@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:28:47 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <006101c783b2$34b12370$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <00b101c78310$306e2a30$1f00a8c0@compaqub> <006101c783b2$34b12370$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Update on Janet Arnold book - no need to get excited though. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb266546-652c-442b-ba71-4bb7cc284d14 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462A826B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There has been a rumour in the costume world here in England that Jenny Tiramani, formerly head of Costume at the Globe Theatre, had taken over the writing of Janet's books. Well, this evening, I asked her this very question. I was very clearly told that she has not "Taken over" the writing, but was merely helping Santina Levy, Janet's literary executor. I also had the privilege of meeting Tina at the same event, and together she and Jenny told me that the first of the books, on ruffs, shirts, smocks, is being worked on now. No date was given for completion, and I did not ask, as I felt I had been given privileged information anyway. Jenny asked me to make very clear to anyone interested that Santina Levy was still the principal editor/writer, and that Jenny was merely helping her. If I get any more news, I will certainly pass it on. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 17:50:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LLouW5006512 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:50:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LLogqV027505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:50:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LLo8Wj015070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:50:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LLo7sQ008374; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:50:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LLo4bT008281 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:50:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704212150.l3LLo4bT008281@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070421214958m11005fruke>; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:49:58 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:49:57 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Order of the Sealed Knot In-Reply-To: References: <46281111.6070200@verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44528675-f175-4aca-a845-4d51208c0e71 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462A8732.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 17:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 12:03 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote: >Just for fun, I'm planning to dress four 16" vinyl dolls(Wilde >Imaginations Ellowyne Wilde doll)in historical or at least historical >cut/modern fabrics in RenFaire-inspired dress. >> What a pretty doll. Wouldn't the Basic Brunette make a lovely Anne Boleyn? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 18:33:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LMXlGC008010 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:33:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LMXXCP007393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:33:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LMWfET019145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LMWdKq035515; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LMWaL0035486 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so1474708anc for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MGi1P8K4kz1AlE+U4cjSw60TrV19Ovk6qBmcTak1UokeFkzMtdc5XyG9ckda+I4hFMEqzjy6caYeeo1Z0fUH/urPPdgc0rS9Y4plPZXCqvqi/VBDjnQio1T6XAixWWCwWHdXyek6Tk9lU3DEdMB5RNNQ4TLP32hGmQwoA0ffdYc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DaqqM1u2TMqrUkwBHcCd+zaeGa+9MkrXwT2JlnBGLBD3vGhUKRfRgQz1tkQC8Uy2eMNzBBx6z7D70qwqHoeYelP1U8pSULW6ef+HsvpTNkETzUcYYS1ff92kBznRwL1UMgD8LIifH/F8ZFtW3UPTpKoJbLqojJU9lqPXVsslvS4= Received: by 10.114.113.1 with SMTP id l1mr1847309wac.1177194756123; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.130.18 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:32:36 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Monkey Fist & Turks Head Buttons X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0bc595a-aaf3-48eb-a05b-554d33e95904 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462A913D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Monkey fist & Turks cap are 2 common button knots. See Ashley's Book of Knots for more than you ever wanted to know. There's a whole chapter on decorative knotwork. --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com Subject: [h-cost] Monkey Claw Buttons To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-ID: _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 18:55:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LMtj99008681 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:55:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3LMtVDx029588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:55:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3LMsqaL021093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:54:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LMspu6050949; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3LMso3d050933 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:54:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so1083104nzf for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:54:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t7ENyy3kcggaYyn+fFsQg3IId0DXVc3RkKjSsScTrfsC9yLodjguiJapiY7OzmvAFCyQF8xNuBlnrOuRTEW2TcgafFD347ZqClpTwIiva2+Wbl/YCSWBUZqGTGG3RpLetSGfr2yq69ecVXCkBLLHXGr+Y4wQgBzc5aHF+aTWDlI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DiLPp4wemWHdQUNNZb9eaYJZP4w84s7kxIVEyBC1OY8ix8fG7Tik7ZfOTyoe9c6KeDu3GS8TC4LTkzDTgZ4ZX4r6uSxvTqgzsKz3gKYY3UHWGRCd9xkwmuK/JQXbfz+KB9RufTISlpX6DvZDYCekZrAuDi7Xsq2WJFaFvi72Bz0= Received: by 10.114.127.1 with SMTP id z1mr1857043wac.1177196089941; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.130.18 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:54:49 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fwd: Independence Day Ball - It's a month early this year! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98e8ff8c-7445-466f-a0af-7bd77ec14633 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 462A9663.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, how 'bout that! An 18th c event in California. Wonders never cease, --cin CinBarnes@gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Dear Friends, > > The Independence Day Ball is a month early this year, so mail your > check in now - don't wait! > > It helps us to plan, plus it saves you five bucks - everybody wins. > > Thanks, > > Dana and Charlene Parker > > P.S: Your help in spreading the word is also much appreciated. > Independence Day Ball > > Celebrate our nation's birthday in a unique way and help a good cause! > > Come experience the fun and finery of a colonial ball. Proceeds > benefit Montpelier, home of James Madison. > > James Madison was the "Father of the Constitution," and also the > author of the Bill of Rights. His home, Montpelier, was in private > hands until recent years. The Montpelier Foundation is conducting a > major restoration of the mansion to return it to the way it was when > James and Dolley Madison lived there. > > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2007 =96 Yes JUNE =96 it's early > this year! > Time: 6:30 p.m. =96 11:30 p.m. > Place: Norwalk Masonic Lodge > 12345 Rosecrans Ave., Norwalk, CA > Donation:$30 per person. > Early bird discount: $5 off if received before > May 10th. > > Colonial attire welcomed but not required. Instruction provided for > all dances. > Dinner will be potluck (Bring your own dishes and silverware or get > stuck with paper plates and plastic forks!). > > > For tickets or more information > contact: > > Dana & Charlene Parker > 5408 Vista Fortuna, > Cypress, CA 90630 > (714) 761-0233 > E-mail: jazzlover01@juno.com > > Please include your e-mail address with your check. Thanks. > > > Please make your tax-deductible check payable to Montpelier Foundation. > Your early response will facilitate planning and is much appreciated. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 21 23:23:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3M3NGZH018378 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:23:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3M3N2Em024817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:23:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3M3M5g8053614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:22:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3M3M0Fo086208; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:22:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3M3LvGv086183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 21:21:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.231] (209-148-118-231.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.231]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3M3Ls8Q031626 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:21:55 -0700 Message-ID: <462AD4D5.7060209@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 20:21:57 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Experiment dyeing Swiss batiste X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a961465b-d0db-4b8e-9e21-e4408d1c6ff1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462AD516.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I mentioned that Baltazor Fabrics sent me a 1/2-yard sample of this dotted Swiss batiste to try dyeing: Special Dotted Swiss 100% Cotton Batiste 56" Wide Embroidered Dots Available in White Only For Only $15.00/yard http://www.baltazor.com/dottedswiss.html I cut off a control sample, and threw the rest in with 5 yards of embroidered eyelet I bought from the ebay seller China-usa, whose fabric dyes very well BTW. I was dyeing the lot bronze. The batiste Swiss took the dye beautifully and stood up to roughly 2 hours of washer agitation (between prewashing, dyeing, and post-washing), plus machine drying. In bronze, it doesn't look like a little-girl fabric. $15/yard is a good price for dotted Swiss so, if you have a fancy for some dotted Swiss that is not white or pastel, I'd recommend this fabric. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 22 09:07:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3MD7ILe021340 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:07:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3MD74Ys032464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:07:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3MD5k4D019418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3MD5bE2003746; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:05:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pecan.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3M0BtmO089907 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glendaslists@exemail.com.au) Received: from 249.88.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.88.249] helo=DF3TNM1S) by pecan.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HfPgI-0007tK-7R for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:11:54 +1000 From: "Glenda Robinson" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fwd: Independence Day Ball - It's a month early this year! Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 10:11:46 +1000 Message-ID: <023f01c78472$d0b17f20$0b02a8c0@DF3TNM1S> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceEaCg+WouMUOVnTkiykaTLE8USugABoNmg In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c956c1b7-ef31-4409-8e15-131f21d4379b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462B5DF9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Had to share this bit of info for all you USAdians. The Norwalk Independence Day Ball is being held early this year... Fair enough - events move around due to other influences. BUT that puts the "Independence Day Ball" smack bang in the middle of the weekend celebrating the Official Queen's Birthday of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth! Maybe it's been taken over by Loyalists? ;-) In Australia (but not in the UK.. . go figure) we celebrate this as a long weekend (in some states it's the last long weekend before Christmas, so no-one wants to let it go - it's also the official start of the Ski season). Every year the Pike and Musket Society (1642 London trayned bandes reenactment) celebrates by holding our Winter Camp - were we camp out for 3-4 days in the mountains 3.5 hours west of Sydney. It's not unusual to see snow, and last year the overnight temperatures got down to -6C (we know this because the olive oil froze, but not the red wine!). Definitely a weekend when all our 1640s clothing comes in useful - this doesn't often happen in Sydney. Glenda. -----Original Message----- > Celebrate our nation's birthday in a unique way and help a good cause! > > Come experience the fun and finery of a colonial ball. Proceeds > benefit Montpelier, home of James Madison. > > James Madison was the "Father of the Constitution," and also the > author of the Bill of Rights. His home, Montpelier, was in private > hands until recent years. The Montpelier Foundation is conducting a > major restoration of the mansion to return it to the way it was when > James and Dolley Madison lived there. > > Date: Saturday, June 9, 2007 - Yes JUNE - it's early > this year! > Time: 6:30 p.m. - 11:30 p.m. > Place: Norwalk Masonic Lodge > 12345 Rosecrans Ave., Norwalk, CA > Donation:$30 per person. > Early bird discount: $5 off if received before > May 10th. > > Colonial attire welcomed but not required. Instruction provided for > all dances. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 22 09:07:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3MD7pun021349 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:07:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3MD7bP6032207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:07:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3MD7FiB019652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3MD7EnJ005146; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 07:07:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3M5fhZx053000 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:41:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A3C4326E00B8; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:33:56 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:41:27 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c784a0$df615440$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b51b481f-bc92-4e1c-a8ca-c8f6b34d7ffc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 462B5E19.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 09:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And of course, you can't forget the "magical growing skirt". In one = scene it's a mini, then it's suddenly knee length, then ankle length! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 7:06 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows =20 In a message dated 4/21/2007 9:02:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 sharon@collierfam.com writes: "Tarzan" and "Bolero", the Bo Derek=20 *********** =20 =20 Tarzan! HAHAHAHAHAHA! What a riotous mess! It's so bad it's hysterical. = I =20 love Richard Harris' [an actor I love to hate] advice to his daughter Bo when =20 she's about to be raped by a big black buck: "Leave your body! Let your = mind leave your body!" =20 Thanks Daddy! =20 The rest is just excuses for Bo to get wet in her frilly knickers. Too funny. =20 Remember "Greystoke: The Legend of Tarzan, Lord of the Apes"? Also not = very good, but fantastic costumes. Now that's 100% fantasy and still works = well [as=20 the script will allow] with correct period stuff! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 22 13:41:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3MHfDvS030727 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:41:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3MHexXr029613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:41:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3MHdlpt055797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3MHdebw072971; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3MHdaTM072859 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 11:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.bc1.11aee059 (57293) for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:39:24 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] The Tudors & other costume shows To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e867b826-e637-446b-9171-b7fb4faf6c93 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462B9E2B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/22/2007 9:07:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sharon@collierfam.com writes: And of course, you can't forget the "magical growing skirt". In one scene it's a mini, then it's suddenly knee length, then ankle length! **************** Who wants to bet they filmed that sequence in reverse order. I can hear John Derek now "Let's cut it off a little more. WARDROBE!!!!!" Those poor set people! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 22 22:41:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3N2fCgp014330 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:41:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3N2ewXB028182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:41:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3N2dqhf018461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:39:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3N2dkhJ066141; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3N2dgbF066060 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 20:39:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.165]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070423023937.JIGD3783.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:39:37 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.165]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070423023936.KHUM5115.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:39:36 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:39:22 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney In-Reply-To: <200704222317.l3MNH5in065918@net.indra.com> References: <200704222317.l3MNH5in065918@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070423023936.KHUM5115.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=40% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-cost] Update on Janet Arnold book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2488e090-2efa-4f7c-bd1d-380ba945b463 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462C1CBA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you Suzi! Please keep us updated. Beth At 06:17 PM 4/22/2007, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:28:47 +0100 >From: Suzi Clarke > >There has been a rumour in the costume world here in England that >Jenny Tiramani, formerly head of Costume at the Globe Theatre, had >taken over the writing of Janet's books. Well, this evening, I asked >her this very question. I was very clearly told that she has not >"Taken over" the writing, but was merely helping Santina Levy, >Janet's literary executor. I also had the privilege of meeting Tina >at the same event, and together she and Jenny told me that the first >of the books, on ruffs, shirts, smocks, is being worked on now. No >date was given for completion, and I did not ask, as I felt I had >been given privileged information anyway. > >Jenny asked me to make very clear to anyone interested that Santina >Levy was still the principal editor/writer, and that Jenny was merely >helping her. If I get any more news, I will certainly pass it on. > >Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 09:35:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NDZIwD001154 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:35:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3NDZ4P6017928 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:35:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3NDXrEg025578 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:33:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NDXj5J050009; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:33:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from c-spam-01.awin.com (c-spam-01.awin.com [204.13.216.10]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NDXeoj049705 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 07:33:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Tori.Ruhl@awin.com) Received: from AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com (unverified [10.200.20.102]) by c-spam-01.awin.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.35.480.0) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:33:23 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 10.200.20.102=OK;Tori.Ruhl@awin.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 10.200.20.102=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 10.200.20.102=NO Received: from INET3-MTA by AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:33:23 -0700 Message-Id: <462C531C0200005E0001AA8B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 06:33:00 -0700 From: "Tori Ruhl" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bb996dc5-760f-4801-afa1-e693c7216c4d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462CB608.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Victoria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 10:12:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NECQn1002253 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:12:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3NECCM0025276 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:12:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3NEBZNV035185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NEBXOe083449; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NEBTsx083396 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:11:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 880C22E81DE for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:05:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 0D7A52E81C6 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:05:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.2.111]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28857 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:11:28 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Order of the Sealed Knot/Ellowyne Wilde Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:10:34 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200704212150.l3LLo4bT008281@net.indra.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Order of the Sealed Knot/Ellowyne Wilde Thread-Index: AceEXvrkjaxE9OR5RhWrgOFgFknYBwBUUl6A References: <46281111.6070200@verizon.net> <200704212150.l3LLo4bT008281@net.indra.com> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7bb69309-4a51-4428-bcd8-1c64c6d4e0b0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462CBEBC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dianne: Yes, that is exactly what I'm thinking of since I do have the basic Brunette. The only problem I see is that she has a side part and I don't want to have to reroot although a wig is possible. I have the basic redhead and will order two more Ellowynes(I hope) from the Spring 2007 line. Ellowyne's friends, Rufus and Penelope, are also promised to be released "soon", which probably means this fall or later. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dianne & Greg Stucki Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 4:50 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Order of the Sealed Knot At 12:03 PM 4/20/2007, you wrote: >Just for fun, I'm planning to dress four 16" vinyl dolls(Wilde=20 >Imaginations Ellowyne Wilde doll)in historical or at least historical=20 >cut/modern fabrics in RenFaire-inspired dress. >> What a pretty doll. Wouldn't the Basic Brunette make a lovely Anne Boleyn? Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 11:53:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NFrq9w005021 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:53:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3NFrcFW012249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:53:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3NFqL6D062542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:52:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NFqGtl090817; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:52:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omr.tzo.com (omr.tzo.com [64.27.166.104]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NFqCmw090651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:52:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from betsy@softwareinnovation.com) Received: from [76.186.96.226] (helo=softwareinnovation.com) by omr.tzo.com with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hg0pi-00025H-M4 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:52:06 -0400 Received: from PYC64 ([192.168.0.26]) by softwareinnovation.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:47:29 -0500 From: "Betsy Marshall" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <462C531C0200005E0001AA8B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:52:05 -0500 Organization: Software Innovation Message-ID: <005201c785bf$57d05fb0$1a00a8c0@PYC64> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <462C531C0200005E0001AA8B@AZ_AWINDO1_INET3.awin.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2826 Thread-Index: AceFq/31mUkxpbpDTdCDuNiAeBhV9wAEqQSQ X-Antivirus: avast! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Have you considered a "slate" frame? It basically sews the fabric into tension, so you could move it from place to place on the skirt without crushing the nap/pile. There is a "how to make one" in the latest TI (Tournaments Illuminated) which I am currently attempting- our local woodshop -Rocklers- offers thin slats of various thickness and content that require minimal effort to use for this design; basically cut the parts to size, glue, and drill the peg holes. Sweet! HTH Betsy -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Tori Ruhl Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 8:33 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Hello all! Let me preface this by saying that I don't know that much about embroidery. I want to put gold couching on velvet. Should I make a frame big enough to accomodate the entire pattern piece? I would think that a hoop would damage the velvet, so I'd rather not do that. What if I'm embroidering an entire skirt? Do I need a frame big enough for that pattern piece as well? Or....should it be embroidered on a different fabric and appliqued onto the garment? I'm not as concerned with historically accurate techniques, yet, as I am with just getting from point A to point B with as few migraines as possible. Thanks! Victoria _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 14:29:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NITDgb009846 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:29:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3NISxXA011526 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:29:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3NIRqta003990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NIRkg9069602; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:27:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai03.charter.net (mtai03.charter.net [209.225.8.183]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NIRd20069367 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aa02.charter.net ([10.20.200.154]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070423182730.CGTK1398.mtai03.charter.net@aa02.charter.net> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:27:30 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.100.224]) by aa02.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070423182730.WERR11130.aa02.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:27:30 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:27:08 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c785d5$0202ba90$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceF1P/n+a3oXtBSSPuFSygVtI1WbA== X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c52ad41-476e-4bba-884e-8f6013577ee4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462CFAEB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO OK, here's the question: I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some handsewing, most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to have my plastic spools of thread flashing about! How did Elizabethans work with thread? Was it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it somehow put into hanks (like modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look "right"? ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 15:33:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NJX1m4011753 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:33:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3NJWlDx008265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:32:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3NJVZHD015018 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NJVSWi032438; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:31:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NF3anK041100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hg04a-0004JP-TA; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:03:25 -0500 Received: from 160.36.154.139 ([160.36.154.139]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:03:24 -0400 Message-ID: <20070423110324.nn89l9636w0g40k8@www.goldsword.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:03:24 -0400 From: "Susan B. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Quoting Tori Ruhl : > Hello all! > > Let me preface this by saying that I don't know that much about embroidery= . > I want to put gold couching on velvet. Should I make a frame big =20 > enough to accomodate the entire pattern piece? > I would think that a hoop would damage the velvet, so I'd rather not do th= at. If you stitch for *short* periods of time and don't leave the fabric =20 in the hoop, you won't see much compression of the velvet. My piece =20 is home, I'll try and remember tonight to check it and see. And this piece (a pouch) actually has the hoop large enough so that =20 the pouch itself is completely within the hoop. It would help if you =20 had a hoop large enough. A scroll frame would work too, and it might =20 be easier to manipulate. > > What if I'm embroidering an entire skirt? Do I need a frame big =20 > enough for that pattern piece as well? > Or....should it be embroidered on a different fabric and appliqued =20 > onto the garment? yes. :-) Applique was indeed done in pre-1700 garments when the =20 final, fashion fabric was velvet. I don't know about later stuff, but =20 I don't see why it wouldn't be! Other folks will know the answer to =20 that one I'm sure. What period are you doing? > > I'm not as concerned with historically accurate techniques, yet, as =20 > I am with just getting from point A to point B with as few migraines =20 > as possible. > If you haven't prewashed everything, applique might make it easier to =20 clean -- especially if you're doing metal thread. You could just take =20 the applique off ... susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 18:23:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NMNBWk017129 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3NMMvRS006045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3NMLV7B053419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:21:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NMLOOh097522; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:21:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NMLHk0097299 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:21:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r8.1.) id 6.c65.11ee18b4 (40521) for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:21:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:21:03 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1beaa68b-c418-4ef4-a94e-86539c37fc6e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462D31C2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 23/04/2007 19:02:46 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Have you considered a "slate" frame? It basically sews the fabric into tension, so you could move it from place to place on the skirt without crushing the nap/pile. There is a "how to make one" in the latest TI (Tournaments Illuminated) which I am currently attempting- our local woodshop -Rocklers- offers thin slats of various thickness and content that require minimal effort to use for this design; basically cut the parts to size, glue, and drill the peg holes. Sweet! HTH Betsy definitely, a slate frame is the way to go. although historical correctness isn't really the point here, I often find that using the stretching (etc) methods that were known when techniques were developed makes it far easier. slate frames are known from at least relatively early medieval times, in various forms, and they make it so much easier to do many types of embroidery - especially on large areas. also, a slate frame is the best wayI know to keep work taut over a long period of time - I tend to find the tension starts to go after a while with other frames. only down side is that really to do it properly you have to have a frame big enough to accommodate whatever you are stitching (though if not practicable, you can still do it with applique. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 19:11:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NNBFRq018678 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:11:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3NNAxpC015239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:11:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3NNAI54067104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:10:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NNAFMO039174; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:10:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NNABjj039129 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:10:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DED3F387EF for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:10:10 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:10:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] slate framesn X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 55fe9f33-47c5-4cbd-8d58-265eaf982a12 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462D3D03.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.bayrose.org/needlework/Slate_Frame.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 19:47:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NNkx6t019671 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:46:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3NNkkYf028474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:46:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3NNjXsJ070996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NNjUd6063806; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:45:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3NNjQqE063704 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:45:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from claning@igc.org) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=igc.org; b=fbSp1AepYgSOLcbx2eq9tWFS2X0ijSmda8hrg0WbpsqTexwKRluW9PSEfhiMzsDx; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.105.84.241] (helo=[172.16.1.10]) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1Hg8Dh-0007mv-AB for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:45:21 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <002e01c785d5$0202ba90$6401a8c0@OurComputer> References: <002e01c785d5$0202ba90$6401a8c0@OurComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9AA1B8C8-3D49-4830-B2FD-A9FCCF1CBDC2@igc.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Laning Subject: Re: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:45:07 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-ELNK-Trace: 295639c8be741617f84080ff3e30f22ca3d53e45398da8b02a19ecf46f973d1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.105.84.241 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e483a24b-dea2-422e-9890-2a543c706944 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462D4566.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > OK, here's the question: > > I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some > handsewing, > most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to have my plastic > spools of thread flashing about! How did Elizabethans work with > thread? Was > it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it somehow put into > hanks (like > modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look "right"? The best 16th-century images I've been able to find seem to have thread/yarn either (1) wound into little balls, kept in a box, or (2) wound around something small, rectangular and flat (no indication of what it is, since the images are little details in the corners of paintings...) I would guess that sewing thread might have been sold in hanks, but I really don't know. I am fairly sure that silk embroidery thread was, and flat "thread winders" have been suggested as a plausible way to wind off part of a hank of silk so you could cut lengths to work with. You might find these articles helpful -- though I'll warn you, while you see a lot of the needlebooks shown here (on the "project" page in this issue) at Renaissance Faires, the documentation for them is not terribly good. They show up in re-drawings by Herbert Norris, who often (but not always) had good sources for what he showed, but never tells you where he found things :( http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/filum/Filum_28_workbox.pdf ____________________________________________________________ O Chris Laning - Davis, California + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ a.k.a. ____________________________________________________________ O Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford + Chris Laning Guild of St. George, Northern California http://paternosters.blogspot.com - http://paternoster-row.org ____________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 21:13:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O1DBld022126 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:13:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3O1CuDc018615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:13:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3O1BrWp081227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O1BnNZ021320; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:11:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O1BjZt021293 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.81.137.69]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JGZ003PV9ZAG222@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:11:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:11:47 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz In-reply-to: <200704231800.l3NI0Qci040585@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <462D5953.3000206@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200704231800.l3NI0Qci040585@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: embroidery on velvet X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0989a989-9113-44cd-83d8-1cb67cf15d62 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462D5998.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO First off, you *will* see *some* compression happening if you put a hoop on velvet, no matter what you do... second, if you use too small a slate or scroll frame, the same thing will happen. Of course, I can also tell you from experience that attempting to stitch on a piece as large as a skirt piece on a frame is darned difficult. In fact I've had enough difficulty getting to the center of my (rather largeish) seat cushion on my frame at faire that I've ended up making comments from time to time about how I suspect that's why there are more professional broiderers who are male than female... arms are just too short for somethings. Now.. there's hope. I managed to work on velvet a few years ago by using one of those plastic q-snap frames and using terry cloth (you can use another piece of velvet probably instead) to cushion where it is compressed to hold, and provide more 'space' for the nap. Limiting time in the frame and lightly re-fluffing it when off helps as well. You *will* have to stretch out the clips for the frame, and it's horribly non-period, so not real event-friendly, but it will work. Creating embroidery slips and then attaching them to the skirt is period for *some* periods... more than direct embroidery for certain periods and decorative types, in fact. I haven't got a picture of my embroidery frame, but what I created (mostly from "scrap" wood) fits somewhere square between pictures I've seen for medieval embroidery and mid-1600s work... both of which look *very* similar in pictures/woodcuts, so I'm taking it as reasonably period, and appropriate. Ady B. might have a picture... but I can't remember if she's taken one of the frame at faire in the last two seasons. -Liz (Mistress Mabel Ascomb, embroideress... at MDRF) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 21:22:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O1MQxl022376 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:22:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3O1MCnM001528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:22:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3O1Ka9j082235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:20:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O1KZoj026687; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:20:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao03.charter.net (mtao03.charter.net [209.225.8.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O1KVIO026623 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:20:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aa05.charter.net ([10.20.200.157]) by mtao03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070424012022.JVU1407.mtao03.charter.net@aa05.charter.net> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:20:22 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.100.224]) by aa05.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070424012022.POLB9261.aa05.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:20:22 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:19:48 -0500 Message-ID: <005201c7860e$a811a020$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceGAZg0XIdO4RxdRLep+Mw7RTCxDgADP6bA In-Reply-To: <9AA1B8C8-3D49-4830-B2FD-A9FCCF1CBDC2@igc.org> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 107d9f09-90a5-4746-822d-7359d2d13232 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462D5BC4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Little balls, huh? I could probably do that! Or wound around a small card...yeah.... Thanks! ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chris Laning > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 6:45 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? > > > On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > > > OK, here's the question: > > > > I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some > > handsewing, most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to > > have my plastic spools of thread flashing about! How did > Elizabethans > > work with thread? Was it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it > > somehow put into hanks (like modern-day floss)? How can I make my > > thread look "right"? > > The best 16th-century images I've been able to find seem to > have thread/yarn either (1) wound into little balls, kept in > a box, or (2) wound around something small, rectangular and > flat (no indication of what it is, since the images are > little details in the corners of > paintings...) > > I would guess that sewing thread might have been sold in > hanks, but I really don't know. I am fairly sure that silk > embroidery thread was, and flat "thread winders" have been > suggested as a plausible way to wind off part of a hank of > silk so you could cut lengths to work with. > > You might find these articles helpful -- though I'll warn > you, while you see a lot of the needlebooks shown here (on > the "project" page in this issue) at Renaissance Faires, the > documentation for them is not terribly good. They show up in > re-drawings by Herbert Norris, who often (but not always) had > good sources for what he showed, but never tells you where he > found things :( > http://www.bayrose.org/wkneedle/filum/Filum_28_workbox.pdf > ____________________________________________________________ > > O Chris Laning - Davis, California > + http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > ____________________________________________________________ > > a.k.a. > ____________________________________________________________ > O Christian Ashley, gentlewoman to Lady Stafford > + Chris Laning > Guild of St. George, Northern California > http://paternosters.blogspot.com - > http://paternoster-row.org > ____________________________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 23 22:14:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O2EJZH023884 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:14:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3O2E5SM008157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:14:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3O2Cb83087405 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:12:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O2CX3N057136; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:12:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3O2CT2F057047 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:12:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96161 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2007 02:12:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ouAluL10rKQpNZqnOMmd2ha4YIXU2vaB9CyIeINqQqP1QIAu/lBTbIYGD8Dc8u9b8p0VIHmHgMts9P7qm176eWLccjbzR/w9pH13RIt4vQbZHScepAb5YvBxSqZko+UZsjG+rek682b5shcZ9wsuFJ/hgshobtFYosUjPU3NT5c=; X-YMail-OSG: Om0cx30VM1lo8iR3hDDvOdVrifbC5XHXZ.N9X0RgeQi_nlPYKIq8Fsz_h38qITgiqA-- Received: from [76.173.42.126] by web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:12:24 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:12:24 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: RE: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <005201c7860e$a811a020$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <229106.95651.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 16fcc226-998e-413c-b764-4a3e8d51a682 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462D67ED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 23 Apr 2007 22:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have found flat winders a pain to use, so instead I found some spools that are still modern shaped but made out of wood, and wound the thread on those. I also found some old wooden spools among my grandmothers sewing stuff! You can sand off any logo or printing on the ends and you're good to go. They're easy to use (once you get passed the tedium of rewinding thread on them) and don't draw attention to themselves, which is really the point. Brava, by the way, to you for recognizing this as a problem and wanting to do something about it. I've seen too many white plastic spools at Faire and gotten too many blank stares when I suggested that they should at least be concealed when in use. MaggiRos --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Little balls, huh? I could probably do that! Or > wound around a small > card...yeah.... > > Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 02:17:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O6HWtt004371 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:17:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3O6HIqU004668 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:17:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3O6GBih016039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:16:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O6G4aw094232; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5.stmo2.socket.net [216.106.26.209] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O6G10b094202 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:16:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CAAE5368ED for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:16:00 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: embroidery on velvet Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:16:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <462D5953.3000206@verizon.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 978be6da-8948-4966-9c41-0afd6607b0ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462DA0EE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO With a skirt, if you had the room and the funds, you could make an old fashioned quilt frame. 2 1"x4"x8' and 2 1"x4"x2' or 3' These would make your frame. tack some ticking material to the boards so that you can pin the fabric for stretching and you will need 6-8 clamps, one for each corner and 2-4 to clamp the short boards to the saw horses. The long boards would be the ones, once you stitch the end of the fabric to them, would roll the material up, and as you finished a section, roll that under and unroll the material to be embroidered. Selvage ends should be parallel to the short boards. If your skirt has shaped pieces instead of rectangles I would recommend that you mark the skirt shape of the fabric (basting stitches work well for this) then embroider the piece before cutting it out. Just a thought, De -----Original Message----- First off, you *will* see *some* compression happening if you put a hoop on velvet, no matter what you do... second, if you use too small a slate or scroll frame, the same thing will happen. Of course, I can also tell you from experience that attempting to stitch on a piece as large as a skirt piece on a frame is darned difficult. In fact I've had enough difficulty getting to the center of my (rather largeish) seat cushion on my frame at faire that I've ended up making comments from time to time about how I suspect that's why there are more professional broiderers who are male than female... arms are just too short for somethings. Now.. there's hope. I managed to work on velvet a few years ago by using one of those plastic q-snap frames and using terry cloth (you can use another piece of velvet probably instead) to cushion where it is compressed to hold, and provide more 'space' for the nap. Limiting time in the frame and lightly re-fluffing it when off helps as well. You *will* have to stretch out the clips for the frame, and it's horribly non-period, so not real event-friendly, but it will work. Creating embroidery slips and then attaching them to the skirt is period for *some* periods... more than direct embroidery for certain periods and decorative types, in fact. I haven't got a picture of my embroidery frame, but what I created (mostly from "scrap" wood) fits somewhere square between pictures I've seen for medieval embroidery and mid-1600s work... both of which look *very* similar in pictures/woodcuts, so I'm taking it as reasonably period, and appropriate. Ady B. might have a picture... but I can't remember if she's taken one of the frame at faire in the last two seasons. -Liz (Mistress Mabel Ascomb, embroideress... at MDRF) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 02:25:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O6P6i2007381 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:25:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3O6Oqgs010885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:24:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3O6OW7i016875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:24:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O6OVA6098444; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:24:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3O6OSGK098378 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 00:24:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704240624.l3O6OSGK098378@net.indra.com> Received: from nunnweinberg1.comcast.net (c-75-73-50-142.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[75.73.50.142]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070424062422013003dfvpe>; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:24:23 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:22:53 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg Subject: Re: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? In-Reply-To: <002e01c785d5$0202ba90$6401a8c0@OurComputer> References: <002e01c785d5$0202ba90$6401a8c0@OurComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4d2e91ce-4157-47fc-9816-a43fa373eb64 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462DA2B4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings, In the wills and inventories I work with the only reference to any sort of holder or container for thread has been "4 bowttes of blacke thred", which I took to be bolt (from the 1543 will of the "porter of of the King's Wardrobe"). Otherwise they just specify colour or colour and amount of thread, and sometimes fiber if it is silk. Yarns and wools they tend to get more descriptive about. Thread is mentioned extremely rarely, aside from the above exception, I have only found it in Drapers or Tailor's wills and inventories. Although, I'm sure it would also turn up in other similar trades such as silkwomen, I just haven't gathered any of their probate documents yet. Hope that helps. Cheers, Danielle At 01:27 PM 4/23/2007, you wrote: >OK, here's the question: > >I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to do some handsewing, >most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want to have my plastic >spools of thread flashing about! How did Elizabethans work with thread? Was >it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it somehow put into hanks (like >modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look "right"? > >******************************************************************* >Rebecca Schmitt >aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence >Bristol Renaissance Faire > >My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash >******************************************************************* _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 06:17:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OAHZa4019653 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:17:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OAHLDR024103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:17:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OAG9mF046778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:16:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OAG5Ic031509; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:16:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.clifford.wightman.ca [216.110.227.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OAG2Zt031429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:16:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id A24C0D43A2; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:15:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49427D3FDD for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:15:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:15:56 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <002601c78659$8c6159b0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 In-Reply-To: <200704231800.l3NI0Qci040585@net.indra.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AceF0dKFeZBcdiPWQ4qjToD3LckNQQAhvLKA X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Embroidery Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a535ec7d-251d-45da-9adc-5e020c5345f1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 462DD931.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you're working with velvet and gold thread don=92t even consider embroidering with a hoop or anything but a large scroll-type of = embroidery frame. Trust me on this, as I've done extensive historical embroideries = in real metal. Sorry guys, but the hoop or any other type is simply a compromise of your materials and skills and the quality you will achieve = as a result. You can appliqu=E9, yes. It's a completely historical and acceptable method of doing any type of embroidery.=20 However, if you wish the embroidery to be done directly to the fabric, then the fabric on the frame is the way to go. Mark out your = fabric with the garment pieces, transfer your embroidery patterns and then = stretch on the frame. For the type of frame to use you can view a reproduction frame on our website. The URL is in the tagline. If you want further information, contact me. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Now available: = Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: 4/22/2007 8:18 PM =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 06:34:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OAYc30021134 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:34:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OAYObM001404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:34:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OAY4Dq049008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OAY2Dm041545; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:34:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OAXxP3041518 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:34:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AB4814C0039E; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:26:16 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Embroidery Question Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 03:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c7865c$0efe0470$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c78659$8c6159b0$6400a8c0@MAIN> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And if you appliqu=E9, it's easier to remove and reuse when the = foundation garment dies. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Five Rivers Chapmanry Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:16 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: Embroidery Question=20 If you're working with velvet and gold thread don=92t even consider embroidering with a hoop or anything but a large scroll-type of = embroidery frame. Trust me on this, as I've done extensive historical embroideries = in real metal. Sorry guys, but the hoop or any other type is simply a compromise of your materials and skills and the quality you will achieve = as a result. You can appliqu=E9, yes. It's a completely historical and acceptable method of doing any type of embroidery.=20 However, if you wish the embroidery to be done directly to the fabric, then the fabric on the frame is the way to go. Mark out your = fabric with the garment pieces, transfer your embroidery patterns and then = stretch on the frame. For the type of frame to use you can view a reproduction frame on our website. The URL is in the tagline. If you want further information, contact me. Regards, Lorina Five Rivers Chapmanry purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Now available: = Recipes of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: 4/22/2007 8:18 PM =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 10:24:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OEOssa009963 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:24:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OEOekq013000 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:24:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OEKHlU088220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:20:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OEKAko006891; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:20:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OEK1kO006690 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:20:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070424141956.HPCG6578.fep34.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:19:56 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.182]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070424141955.RTHZ1379.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:19:55 +0200 Message-ID: <002001c7867b$a6bcd100$b66ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:20:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.164.110.182] at Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:19:53 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] embroidery question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c8725a0-cbfb-4efd-aeb5-09092f8ea609 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462E1328.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Not that i have ever tryed to embellish gold on velvet, but i can tell that in some 18th century garments, there is trace from a layer of silk gauge wich they used between the velvet and the gold, so that the gold wont disapear in the plush of the velvet. A kind of invisible support on the velvet. When the embroidery is done, the surplus silk gauge is cut away, so it wont show. And not again that i have made embroidery on velvet yeat, but it is not as difficult as you think, to embroider a large piece of material, if only you have a proper frame, i do it all the time with my big frame and my waistcoat and jacket embroideries. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 11:35:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFZbwZ015961 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:35:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OFZNIH009974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:35:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OFYjdc002043 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:34:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFYhEh080014; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:34:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3OFYdlo079807 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:34:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mary_m_haselbauer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 36960 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2007 15:34:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BCG+QzJngX3PynTYcoLK9sGizfAsS7vGm8lYDNTpyfrfxrGhLUbm3buT/5pl4OQqa5msy1ETPR+PqWuBieknM4qsw75Aq+O1X+hhRisP0ugd2ZJMlY269Kkpm+iZPEz5RPGydLCWs5OSwpe8va1GiHPI7/LQ8TMDYwJU8Q+BYy0=; X-YMail-OSG: DIsVEkgVM1nFGHmwgK2FskekH892tan4puoOVUqW3DJxEEbZV9oUXVxDIlhaD4E3HYDR6b5QsbT.nSlvELQhaYxjCNWjjXyplcQ9AOaKMckMRZJe9DQ- Received: from [70.43.155.67] by web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:34:33 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary To: h-costume@mail.indra.com In-Reply-To: <200704241455.l3OEswUM039766@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <767465.36272.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Subject: [h-cost] Re: was thread on spools in Eliz England? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e1ff8370-b1df-493d-85c1-c94382973def X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462E23BC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This image is a little earlier than your request but it shows a sewing basket. http://tinyurl.com/2bcbfp If this doesn't take you there go to http://www.bl.uk/ and search for "holy family at work" I looks like thread is wound around a card or possibly a spool. Cheers, Mary > I work at a Renn Faire, and would like to be able to > do some handsewing, > most likely linen shirts for my child. I don't want > to have my plastic > spools of thread flashing about! How did > Elizabethans work with thread? Was > it wound on spools (wooden, I assume)? Was it > somehow put into hanks (like > modern-day floss)? How can I make my thread look > "right"? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 11:35:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFZdF5015964 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:35:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OFZPlx024317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:35:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OFY5Wp001922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFY0pb079259; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3OFXtRT079065 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:33:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 25526 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2007 15:33:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=nvbvVFhVvJbWnJirWIDROxvFpBDJsgzELEItceuqlUM888Xf8VEypiU8jV6NbKm0cjI8GNGk57JseznFJkvvLwCeB8szCXNvevYNDxfzeBzr1+qJ50tL+b2G2jJUyEzg1vxW4DliZYQ5wIFNEF2IdhYtawW4bW3U9VPPvloXL78=; X-YMail-OSG: 9hPk9NYVM1lMdLW80dJsyDBYqMFxZJ89KRJOdoLekfxHYE1VnDOjIpyY4ZIamLWJBiNyHV4L64MCJqtyxm8Sr0XtL2LVRDjMbbe1ir8Lj7lePhZmxw-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:33:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/478 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.10 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:33:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <607243.25463.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Embroidery Question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b938861-b9ac-4d48-a914-78915e5b61a2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462E23BE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I recently cobbled together something in a pinch that worked.=0A=0AI was ap= pliqueing an embroidery onto silk velvet, and because of the shape of the g= arment and the position of the applique, it had to be framed in order to be= managed. I wasn't at home so didn't have access to my supply of stretcher = frames (what I have always called a slate frame, which was a new term to me= ) So I went out to the local WalMart and bought a really cheap wooden pictu= re frame and a box of large head thumb tacks. 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Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 11:48:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFmOQ5016620 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:48:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OFmAce004356 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:48:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OFlalc004832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFlWVO093819; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:47:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f1phy.netins.net [167.142.228.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFlOVC093671 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:47:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1312619824 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:47:23 -0500 Message-ID: <029401c78687$d9cb6140$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <767465.36272.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: was thread on spools in Eliz England? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:47:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b06ac52f-4bb8-41a3-bb6f-5899ecf1877e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462E26BA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > This image is a little earlier than your request but > it shows a sewing basket. > http://tinyurl.com/2bcbfp > > If this doesn't take you there go to > http://www.bl.uk/ and search for "holy family at work" I'm sure there is more symbolism in that painting than you could shake a stick at ... and I'd be interested in the whole story (off list) but if I could only have one explanation, I'd like to know about that little vase inside the cupboard doors of that little stool. The one with the bird perched on it. As for the thread -- doesn't that look like a section of bone? Like a cow's leg bone or something with a largish diameter. It looks slightly curved. Or maybe a smaller round bone that is a whole section. That would be very much like a modern thread spool, but the perspective of the piece in the painting doesn't show the cross-section. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 11:51:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFpuSa016829 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:51:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OFpgKU020456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:51:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OFpAIj005551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:51:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFp91L097540; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:51:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail02.unl.edu (webmail02.unl.edu [129.93.1.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OFp5j6097483 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:51:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail02.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.2) id l3OFp4f30478 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:51:04 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: was thread on spools in Eliz England? 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That would be very much > like a modern thread spool, but the perspective of the piece in the painting > doesn't show the cross-section. I thought it looked like a card that had buckled under the tension of the thread wrapped around it. Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 12:46:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGkEbV018706 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:46:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OGk0t6008753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:46:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OGirTL015201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:44:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGilpF054718; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:44:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGigtg054606 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:44:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 53AFA39A20 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:44:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] embroidery question Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:44:45 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002001c7867b$a6bcd100$b66ea450@CPQ21932199711> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed416643-9229-46d2-bf93-1ce848c4e073 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462E3449.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Good recommendation for long hair velvet. Most of the long haired velvet embroidery that I have seen has the work on a lighter fabric and then appliquéd to the velvet. I have rarely seen this technique done on velveteen. De -----Original Message----- Not that i have ever tryed to embellish gold on velvet, but i can tell that in some 18th century garments, there is trace from a layer of silk gauge wich they used between the velvet and the gold, so that the gold wont disapear in the plush of the velvet. A kind of invisible support on the velvet. When the embroidery is done, the surplus silk gauge is cut away, so it wont show. And not again that i have made embroidery on velvet yeat, but it is not as difficult as you think, to embroider a large piece of material, if only you have a proper frame, i do it all the time with my big frame and my waistcoat and jacket embroideries. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 12:47:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGlMxc018766 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:47:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OGl8RE032307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:47:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OGkZKB015426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:46:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGk57N055999; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:46:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (mxo4.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGjjqj055643 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49252] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by mxo4.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.14.1 r(15310M)) with ESMTP id 94/4F-23849-0343E264 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:45:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200704241455.l3OEswUL039766@net.indra.com> References: <200704241455.l3OEswUL039766@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:45:36 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: thread holders.... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d190a7ac-7e31-4a33-88a1-829c18ea8708 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462E348C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 8:55 AM -0600 4/24/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: >I have found flat winders a pain to use, so instead I >found some spools that are still modern shaped but >made out of wood, and wound the thread on those. I >also found some old wooden spools among my >grandmothers sewing stuff! You can sand off any logo >or printing on the ends and you're good to go. They're >easy to use (once you get passed the tedium of >rewinding thread on them) and don't draw attention to >themselves, which is really the point. If you jam the spool onto a bobbin winder, life becomes much easier... And you can get the wooden/horn/MOP flat holders that can fit into a clamp fringe twister... Maybe not the 'period' way to load up, but do it at home and nones the wiser Ta Carol --string handling is turning into my lifes work > >Brava, by the way, to you for recognizing this as a >problem and wanting to do something about it. I've >seen too many white plastic spools at Faire and gotten >too many blank stares when I suggested that they >should at least be concealed when in use. > >MaggiRos -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 12:49:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGnXAe018831 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:49:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OGnJdU010771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:49:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OGmsoT015808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:48:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGmq8P058792; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:48:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (mxo5.broadbandsupport.net [209.55.3.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGmmul058611 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:48:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cahuff@clearviewcatv.net) Received: from [67.128.70.97] ([67.128.70.97:49253] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by mxo5.broadbandsupport.net (ecelerity 2.1.1.14.1 r(15310M)) with ESMTP id E8/D5-32006-1923E264 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:38:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: cahuff@mail.clearviewcatv.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200704241455.l3OEswUL039766@net.indra.com> References: <200704241455.l3OEswUL039766@net.indra.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:48:37 -0400 To: h-costume@indra.com From: cahuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: wooden spools X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c24204b-a1fc-4e03-ba4a-9129114820cb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462E350F.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ta Carol, just enabling -- Creative Clutter is Better Than Idle Neatness! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 14:25:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OIPZXB021510 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:25:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OIPLq5003292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:25:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OINPCf031550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OINKQp053099; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3OINH0q052953 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 33691 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2007 18:23:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=mdQghrCau1ZpCO5MWeUYcT6WUYqWp4GSzTIIjyZDhWOOM8D69ZNgQj2y9OGM+2g7KDdFjqde3rpaUTexrhBkScJsXxRntPmTZoYFYftCl9Tjbe5DXI+M0+hft50F9WInSl0nRSfQiy3FAaTkKTko7tXR6/mByKzoMNAb0i6QNs4=; X-YMail-OSG: BfQ_tjEVM1mU79qpV3AUk_eAwTagJNShYqqDKJQRoJDQSCbm98B1j3nyM9Gk2oE6CKOJUKkVyEXV4A2p__BSlbEcjLGHHNRxIqfnti_XFc_dtQhiBQ1KyXee9AvJ7g-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:23:12 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery question To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002001c7867b$a6bcd100$b66ea450@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <588819.33443.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c512dde3-1faf-4190-8eef-1a3499830662 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462E4B91.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 14:28:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OISsIK021589 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:28:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OISc6m015355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:28:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OISA5w032697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:28:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OIS5bW057617; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:28:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OIS08X057424 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:28:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070424182754.NGFD8645.fep32.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:27:54 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.76]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070424182754.SCUS1148.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:27:54 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c7869e$4bb8de70$4c14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:28:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.161.20.76] at Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:27:47 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] tambour embroidery thread? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 416a240d-2d78-46a2-8938-ed7b18176bee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462E4C56.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, For long i had given up to make tambour embroidery because i couldnt make it. But actually i couldnt make it because i used the wrong thread. When trying succesfully, i used ordinary sewing silk, and it worked for me. Now i just wondered, those of you who do tambour embroidery, do you have any favourite thread to use, and where could i get this? I prefer silk as you know. Many thanks. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 14:30:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OIUqHl021666 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:30:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OIUc7P016333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:30:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OIUCh0033220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:30:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OIUB6u059589; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:30:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OIU6l3059430 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:30:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070424182956.PBOK24373.fep31.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:29:56 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.76]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070424182956.RXYZ1370.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:29:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c7869e$96e3ba50$4c14a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <588819.33443.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery question Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:30:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.161.20.76] at Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:29:53 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=26% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0413f7f9-202a-47ab-967f-c3190bc11327 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462E4CCE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The book i have it from, says silk gauge. What i think it is - is a light transparent silk, like chiffon or something like that! Its the book "18th century embroidery teckniques" Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery question > > --- Bjarne og Leif Drews > wrote: > >> Not that i have ever tryed to embellish gold on >> velvet, but i can tell that >> in some 18th century garments, there is trace from a >> layer of silk gauge > > > Bjarne, > > Can you describe this silk gauge? I've not heard of > that kind of silk before (but I know my knowledge of > various silks is limited). > > Thanks, > > Kimiko > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 15:28:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJSWB0023107 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:28:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OJSI9G004415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:28:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OJQonb047393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:26:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJQi0j014903; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:26:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJQcWf014744 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:26:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAOP2LUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQDAEBAQEHDgcGHQ Received: from [80.43.74.130] (port=2597 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HgQef-000Lv0-Qw for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:26:26 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070424202251.036bf858@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:26:10 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery question In-Reply-To: <000a01c7869e$96e3ba50$4c14a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <588819.33443.qm@web32205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000a01c7869e$96e3ba50$4c14a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81c885e4-84c3-49f5-9004-7f46b8982fcd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462E5A52.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 19:30 24/04/2007, you wrote: >The book i have it from, says silk gauge. What i think it is - is a >light transparent silk, like chiffon or something like that! >Its the book "18th century embroidery teckniques" >Bjarne > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" >To: "Historical Costume" >Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 8:23 PM >Subject: Re: [h-cost] embroidery question That might be silk "gauze"? This is mentioned several times in the book that Bjarne mentions, rather than the "gauge" he calls it. I have seen net under embroidery too. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 15:31:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJV3rt023183 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:31:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OJUnLd016049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:30:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OJU6gF048029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:30:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJU53i017976; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:30:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3OEsqiA039580 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:54:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2007042410544630693 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:54:46 -0400 Received: from Kate ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3OEsbNV008280 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b801c78680$becb5140$5fa810ac@Kate> From: "Kate Pinner" To: "Historical Costume" References: <229106.95651.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:56:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 496da342-bc59-4adc-8990-2bf7c820f2c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 462E5AE9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would think that you could use dowels or a smooth piece of branch, minus the bark if you can't find the old wooden spools. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "MaggiRos" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 10:12 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] was thread on spools in Eliz England? >I have found flat winders a pain to use, so instead I > found some spools that are still modern shaped but > made out of wood, and wound the thread on those. I > also found some old wooden spools among my > grandmothers sewing stuff! You can sand off any logo > or printing on the ends and you're good to go. They're > easy to use (once you get passed the tedium of > rewinding thread on them) and don't draw attention to > themselves, which is really the point. > > Brava, by the way, to you for recognizing this as a > problem and wanting to do something about it. I've > seen too many white plastic spools at Faire and gotten > too many blank stares when I suggested that they > should at least be concealed when in use. > > MaggiRos > > > --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > >> Little balls, huh? I could probably do that! Or >> wound around a small >> card...yeah.... >> >> Thanks! >> >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 15:32:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJWEMZ023223 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:32:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OJVxlG020176 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:32:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OJVHDe048278 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJVGSJ019242; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:31:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cgp.netins.net (f2phy.netins.net [167.142.229.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OGUiJ2039994 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from landofoz@netins.net) X-netINS-MPP: scanned Received: from [67.55.167.82] (account landofoz@netins.net HELO denise8541f2db) by cgpf2.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.13) with ESMTPA id 1291499027 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:30:43 -0500 Message-ID: <02c701c7868d$e8473540$52a73743@denise8541f2db> From: "Land of Oz" To: "Historical Costume" References: <767465.36272.qm@web51308.mail.re2.yahoo.com><029401c78687$d9cb6140$52a73743@denise8541f2db> <1177429864.462e2768b8c02@webmail02.unl.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: was thread on spools in Eliz England? Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:30:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8badc62f-083f-4592-a21b-fcaa037c1d74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462E5B2F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > I was wondering about the ants! Is *that* what those are?! Mighty big -- yuck! > I thought it looked like a card that had buckled under the tension of the > thread > wrapped around it. It does, but I wonder (because I don't know -- I'm sure someone else does) how common it was to have paper of that thickness and stiffness in either the time depicted in the painting, or the time in which it was painted? Especially a discarded piece. A scrap of bone or a sliver of wood might be more "throw-away" in the time. Denise B _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 15:39:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJdq9g023455 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:39:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OJdcgl028201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:39:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OJd7RH049760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:39:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJd3nb026602; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:39:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf4.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJcxfV026532 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:39:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf4.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 64FF738C35 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:38:58 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:39:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <005201c785bf$57d05fb0$1a00a8c0@PYC64> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many rep=30% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4f2b803d-179a-40a3-b0f9-67a585bd1e29 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462E5CFA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Example of applique but with beads, scroll down to the sleeve. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_30.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 15:54:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJsT3W023829 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:54:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OJsFWH002292 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:54:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OJrQoM052540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJrNQA039381; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:53:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.eos.net (mail.eos.net [205.133.149.17]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OJrIcc039286 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gailscott@eos.net) Received: from [205.133.149.164] (pm5-164.eos.net [205.133.149.164]) by mail.eos.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l3OJrNcW001416 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:53:23 -0400 (EDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:34:33 -0400 From: Gail & Scott Finke To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200704241800.l3OI04tG031344@net.indra.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 188 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e61518d0-753d-4c56-ba42-c7d42f244523 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462E6067.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > If this doesn't take you there go to > http://www.bl.uk/ and search for "holy family at work" > --- > > I'm sure there is more symbolism in that painting than you could shake a > stick at ... and I'd be interested in the whole story (off list) but if I > could only have one explanation, I'd like to know about that little vase > inside the cupboard doors of that little stool. The one with the bird > perched on it. > --- > > I was wondering about the ants! > I don't think the ants are symbolic, or the big red bug in the corner. I think they were just for fun. Many manuscript embellishments, even in major illuminations, were simply for the amusement of the owner. Remember, most people didn't have many books or pictures (if any). I own a facsimile of the Hours of Mary of Burgundy that has a hunt scene in the margins of many pages and some silly drawings. But the vase is probably a symbol of Mary's purity: her being a precious vessel preserved from use. I'm sure Robin can tell us more... Gail Finke _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 16:15:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OKF76c024451 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:15:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OKEral009635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:14:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OKEHcB056588 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OKEFTq058899; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:14:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3OKEBrs058768 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:14:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65990 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2007 20:14:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=j0b22ab8+tyTjwKzUsv/L2SsV2PTdKpo4frg736pVw1zkXX5G0FhlXZ8zxg7ROBV7SSxfPv3SEZLegG0i+5RVNR4wW3H1pGJBpWYDF9kEA+NLu52yBnPAzWk1guRTipVbSW2WHgoD2FMiBPjN+RyTUxB2SreP7FqQpINIW5KGbE=; X-YMail-OSG: 5dHVGnYVM1nsNbopEZHBgL.L_noPqGCE89YoyvbmpBPWhA2NOyW0zC52Rif5XPXCcTrEfCUpQg-- Received: from [208.179.44.218] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:14:06 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:14:06 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: thread holders.... To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <47440.64285.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea54b9e0-c00e-4116-897e-a20c65833812 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462E653D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I googled for wooden spools and among other things found a whole lot of different types--with and without thread--on Ebay! Which made me think that the bobbins for bobbin lace might be a good solution too, plus they're often very pretty. MaggiRos --- cahuff wrote: > If you jam the spool onto a bobbin winder, life > becomes much easier... > And you can get the wooden/horn/MOP flat holders > that can fit into a > clamp fringe twister... > Maybe not the 'period' way to load up, but do it at > home and nones > the wiser _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 18:59:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OMxm8R028587 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:59:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3OMxYk3010311 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:59:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3OMwNco081162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:58:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OMwJep099725; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:58:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3OMwFBD099629 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9B9125803E0; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:50:33 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:58:11 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c786c4$08959040$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: aba3b9eb-9a55-49d0-a215-82a6af44cb34 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 462E8BD6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:59:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's stunning! Do you know what that type of lace is called? Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:39 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Example of applique but with beads, scroll down to the sleeve. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_30.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 21:20:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P1KeV0032242 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:20:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3P1KQWb005184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:20:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3P1JE31096973 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P1J9Pe090916; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:19:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3P1J7cR090829 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:19:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 39007 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2007 01:19:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ePOw+VKV2g3Jkfy5/HHev2bMKZ6bBEN5AdZj+nVDyroMYaVFndrLEYTm2RoAG5zanswEifeAmdHpiUI7dI7Y4to43syNCBVwgSQ5OFqp6jwwkFvTGa4YBX5OTZ+2lt/5OrcyN8L/Rnumn00JaKXssmeJ3vrIOfMzuG5iJ9UgckM=; X-YMail-OSG: FVBMk18VM1lGx1oKLgdftCxqhdTojyhdEi43gsUVmXgjnhofrUIBMAKRaP5dh392YYqV4rkp6QZSoOEdOWHjLMWE1W6CcVXlZYKxIsSppWHQgTyLo.nLzJKpNPA2YQ-- Received: from [208.111.201.162] by web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:19:01 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery thread? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000501c7869e$4bb8de70$4c14a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <730869.38964.qm@web31003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6a8d05eb-2f7d-4211-b60e-1e40be370b7b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 462EACDA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Bjarne, Lacis has a lot of tools: http://www.lacis.com/catalog/search.php and elegant stitch: http://www.elegantstitch.com/special.htm lists a variety of silk threads for tambour so I think you're on the right track. I'd love to learn how to do this type of needlework, but it's down a bit on my list ;) Good luck and I can't wait to see what you make next! Chris Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, For long i had given up to make tambour embroidery because i couldnt make it. But actually i couldnt make it because i used the wrong thread. When trying succesfully, i used ordinary sewing silk, and it worked for me. Now i just wondered, those of you who do tambour embroidery, do you have any favourite thread to use, and where could i get this? I prefer silk as you know. Many thanks. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Apr 24 21:26:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P1QGIx032371 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:26:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3P1Q2Zu016384 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:26:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3P1PbgT097608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P1PaUS094661; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:25:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao03.charter.net (mtao03.charter.net [209.225.8.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P1PWjS094573 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:25:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aa02.charter.net ([10.20.200.154]) by mtao03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070425012523.SUUE1407.mtao03.charter.net@aa02.charter.net> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:25:23 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.100.224]) by aa02.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070425012523.EFZQ11130.aa02.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:25:23 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: thread holders.... 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Yay! :) ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of MaggiRos > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:14 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: thread holders.... > > I googled for wooden spools and among other things found a > whole lot of different types--with and without thread--on > Ebay! Which made me think that the bobbins for bobbin lace > might be a good solution too, plus they're often very pretty. > > MaggiRos > > --- cahuff wrote: > > > > If you jam the spool onto a bobbin winder, life becomes > much easier... > > And you can get the wooden/horn/MOP flat holders that can > fit into a > > clamp fringe twister... > > Maybe not the 'period' way to load up, but do it at home > and nones the > > wiser > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 02:55:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P6tiI8030883 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:55:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3P6tUNG030654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:55:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3P6sNkw033583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:54:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P6sGmv069625; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:54:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5.stmo2.socket.net [216.106.26.209] (may be forged)) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P6sDtP069593 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 00:54:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BCFB361EA for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:54:12 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 01:54:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001501c786c4$08959040$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 61d90adf-0a97-4fd7-bdc9-7fc8ae6d5cea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 462EFB62.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry no. The type at the collar I want to say cluny but I'm not sure. I wouldn't know what lace is on the skirt. I found this site once when I was looking up types of lace. http://www.marlamallett.com/l-needle.htm And the skirt lace could, maybe be Brussels point de Gaze lace -----Original Message----- That's stunning! Do you know what that type of lace is called? Sharon -----Original Message----- Example of applique but with beads, scroll down to the sleeve. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_30.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 07:38:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PBcYf2018029 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:38:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PBcKpX018294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:38:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PBbJL8061893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PBbFrx018689; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:37:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3P97iLm038377 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 03:07:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gilshallos@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704250907.l3P97iLm038377@net.indra.com> Received: from nunnweinberg1.comcast.net (c-75-73-50-142.hsd1.mn.comcast.net[75.73.50.142]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2007042509073801100fdekle>; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:07:38 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:08:04 -0500 To: Historical Costume From: Danielle Nunn-Weinberg In-Reply-To: <462195D3.7020809@compuserve.com> References: <200704111800.l3BI0BSc021271@net.indra.com> <462195D3.7020809@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT silk kirtle for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62ce6f59-94e2-4cfd-9318-76b14b058200 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462F3DAC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cheers, Danielle Nunn-Weinberg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 10:08:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PE8ROV024585 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:08:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PE8Dba019880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:08:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PE6nnw092046 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:06:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PE6hcQ031222; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:06:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PE6dqN031096 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:06:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070425140629.UMRB8645.fep32.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:06:29 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.19]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070425140629.SRMP1161.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:06:29 +0200 Message-ID: <001c01c78742$eff21700$1343a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001501c786c4$08959040$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:06:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.19] at Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:06:23 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87ed55ec-a61c-4ad6-b0b3-87aedc2c47c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462F60CD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The bobbin lace on this dress must be Chantilly lace. Chantilly lace is made from unboiled silk thread, and uses thicker silk threads as gimps. The big raised paisley ornamentation is not lace, but it must be embroidered. Bjarnes 2 cents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question > That's stunning! Do you know what that type of lace is called? > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of otsisto > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:39 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question > > > Example of applique but with beads, scroll down to the sleeve. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_30.htm > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 10:10:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PEAWTw024641 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:10:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PEAIZl012049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:10:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PE9fIt093849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PE9ewu035098; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PE9WXh034932 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 08:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070425140931.VKDC27786.fep35.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:09:31 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.19]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070425140912.TOQG1147.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:09:12 +0200 Message-ID: <002801c78743$5f253120$1343a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:09:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.19] at Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:09:10 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] thread holders X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: abf2024c-f660-4741-8fbd-cca95e1c8976 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 462F614A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 14:13:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIDO3u030714 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:13:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PIDAcM017885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:13:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PIBxqn035492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:11:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIBnDd071328; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:11:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.wightman.on.ca (server01.gorrie.wightman.ca [216.110.227.151]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIBhCk071189 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lgsteph@wightman.ca) Received: by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix, from userid 99) id B262A84A63; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:11:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on server01.gorrie X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 Received: from MAIN (dsl-v45-216-110-230-37.wightman.ca [216.110.230.37]) by mail.wightman.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD7684A32 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:11:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:11:44 -0400 Organization: Five Rivers Message-ID: <000301c78765$2e4c7dc0$6400a8c0@MAIN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <200704251800.l3PI0ElV059510@net.indra.com> Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AceHZCDKFcgenOBKRoOrQh6Tu5mftQAAL+kg X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] OT: My new book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2f5ecfd-8131-4b0f-9b2f-b265c367d5f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462F9A36.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 4/24/2007 5:43 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 14:33:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIX1tj031326 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:33:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PIWlw1017358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:32:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PIVf4V038740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:31:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIVb93091133; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:31:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIVW4e091032 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id ACB628A403E8; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:23:50 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:31:31 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c78767$f24b4970$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <001c01c78742$eff21700$1343a150@CPQ21932199711> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 18cf1652-5580-4ef3-bae6-b9310fd0c7d6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462F9ECF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you, I knew someone would know. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery Question The bobbin lace on this dress must be Chantilly lace. Chantilly lace is = made from unboiled silk thread, and uses thicker silk threads as gimps. The big raised paisley ornamentation is not lace, but it must be=20 embroidered. Bjarnes 2 cents. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question > That's stunning! Do you know what that type of lace is called? > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On > Behalf Of otsisto > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:39 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question > > > Example of applique but with beads, scroll down to the sleeve. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_30.htm > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 14:36:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIartf031444 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:36:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PIadWo006870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:36:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PIa6Ug039569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:36:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIa4vG095225; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:36:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIZwBf095065 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070425183552.CIEG26416.fep30.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:35:52 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.85]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070425183552.LGDG20303.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:35:52 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c78768$95ae5fd0$55e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000301c78765$2e4c7dc0$6400a8c0@MAIN> Subject: Re: [h-cost] OT: My new book Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:36:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.63.231.85] at Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:35:48 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=26% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6d5f0482-7640-4ebd-9d0f-ca5fdb881c73 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462F9FB7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Lorina, I want a signed book, but ill order it later, next month. Congratulations with your wonderfull book. I am preparing for Leif an me tonight candle light supper with a roasted salmon, potatoes and a sauce with butter, limejuice and dill. We have so many flood streams and therefore can produce salmon freshly. If i had the shop nearby, i also wanted to start our supper with 6 ousters. And i am sure the list dont mind. Friday i travel again to my swedish gustavian friends, this time in a new suit; jacket and breeches made from USA Hyena silk taffeta .collour called Khaki Moss, baught it on sale, with a remnant of the yellow silk taffeta, i made for an amreican girl with the stumpwork embroidery. This evening i have to praktice to make a nice makeup for my old face (52 years old) and had a hard life, my newly baught wig from last year in grey from england This time i shall also include a link, when i get home again from the happy weekend at Beatelund Spring party. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Five Rivers Chapmanry" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:11 PM Subject: [h-cost] OT: My new book > This is not costume related, so delete if you're not interested. > Just thought for those of you who might be, my new cookbook, Recipes of a > Dumb Housewife, is now available through our website (in which case you'll > get a signed copy), or through Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and Borders, > internationally. > > Regards, > Lorina > Five Rivers Chapmanry > purveyors of quality hand-crafted cooperage, embroidery supplies; fine, > original textile, pen and ink, and watercolour art. Now available: Recipes > of a Dumb Housewife, by Lorina Stephens > 519-799-5577 info@5rivers.org - www.5rivers.org > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 4/24/2007 > 5:43 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 14:43:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIh4JK031614 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:43:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PIgojt000533 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:42:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PIgDUl040937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIgBtL001712; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:42:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PIg41w001513 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:42:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070425184159.CSAC8645.fep32.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:41:59 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.85]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070425184159.TTDR1153.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:41:59 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c78769$716886e0$55e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <002301c78767$f24b4970$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:42:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.63.231.85] at Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:41:56 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fdfa8081-7db4-464f-bfaf-c9a90c8e3269 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 462FA12A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You are very welcome Sharon, Glad to help you out on that question. I know Chantilly and how it looks, because i was so fortunate to be teached by a duch teacher, very skilled one two. Chantilly has a wowen pattern inside a motif outlined by a thick gimp thread. Marie Antoinettes favourite Lace had a gimpthread wowen throughout the motif Her lace was Blonde Lace. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:31 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question Thank you, I knew someone would know. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 7:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Embroidery Question The bobbin lace on this dress must be Chantilly lace. Chantilly lace is made from unboiled silk thread, and uses thicker silk threads as gimps. The big raised paisley ornamentation is not lace, but it must be embroidered. Bjarnes 2 cents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question > That's stunning! Do you know what that type of lace is called? > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of otsisto > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:39 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Embroidery Question > > > Example of applique but with beads, scroll down to the sleeve. > http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_30.htm > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 15:11:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PJBpY0032293 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:11:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PJBbWu020446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:11:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PJAVwD046108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:10:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PJARIY030738; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:10:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PJAM2j030655 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:10:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-01 (ms-mss-01-smtp-a [10.15.8.21]) by ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3PJAKRj005085 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:10:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rdc-kc.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JH2005YWIL85N@ms-mss-01.rdc-kc.rr.com> for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:10:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.15.6.155] (Forwarded-For: [168.137.100.21]) by ms-mss-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (mshttpd); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:10:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:10:20 -0500 From: khanson@kc.rr.com To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Subject: [h-cost] Book question... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5a340ee-ba03-43dd-8028-2b1799de68fa X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462FA7E9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm thinking about selling a book I have entitled "Medieval European Jewellery" by Ronald Lightbown. I know this isn't exactly a costume book, but it's certainly an accessories book. :) It's long out of print, and won't be reprinted as far as the V&C Museum is telling me. Anyway, I've tried finding a good asking price for this book, but Alibris and ABE Books and a couple other book-search sites come up with nothing. Last time I saw one for sale was about three years ago, and the bid was more than $950. Anyone have any good idea where I can find the value of this book? It's in very good condition and still has the intact dust cover. Talia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 15:56:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PJu5NI001017 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:56:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PJtpq8001612 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:55:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PJskGI052050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:54:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PJsgKC071891; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PJsbDk071775 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from colleen.mcdonald@comcast.net) Received: from 67.168.178.66 ([67.168.178.66]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070425195432m1400il6i3e>; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:54:32 +0000 Received: from 192.150.22.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user colleen) by 67.168.178.66 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5220.192.150.22.5.1177530872.squirrel@67.168.178.66> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Colleen McDonald" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: Medieval European Jewellery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e28eec2-a70d-4f8a-97a1-92cae91680d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462FB247.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > I'm thinking about selling a book I have entitled "Medieval European > Jewellery" by Ronald Lightbown. > > Anyway, I've tried finding a good asking price for this book, but > Alibris and ABE Books and a couple other book-search sites come up with > nothing. Last time I saw one for sale was about three years ago, and > the bid was more than $950. Anyone have any good idea where I can find > the value of this book? It's in very good condition and still has the > intact dust cover. Wow - Talia! I wish I had the money to take it off your hands. I suspect that you'll be able to get whatever you ask for it, given how rarely a copy is sold. The last one that I saw available was a few months ago for about $1200. I don't know if it sold or was withdrawn from the site. Good luck! Colleen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 15:57:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PJv4Y5001075 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:57:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PJuoLi016050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:56:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PJuOgR052299 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PJuNE6073427; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PJuJKV073374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:56:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.151] (209-148-118-151.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3PJuHG4029131 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:56:18 -0700 Message-ID: <462FB263.4010703@lavoltapress.com> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:56:19 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There really isn't any statistical data, especially recent data, on the used book market for something like this. Try listing it on ABEBOOKs or some such venue, for the maximum you think you can get. Be prepared to wait awhile to sell it. Remember that $900 or so is a lot for most individuals, but not necessarily for a library or institution. If it does not sell, lower the price. That's what used booksellers do. But if you ask one of them to carry it for you, they will want about 50% as a cut, and if you're only going to take 50% of the value you could easily sell it directly to someone. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com khanson@kc.rr.com wrote: > I'm thinking about selling a book I have entitled "Medieval European > Jewellery" by Ronald Lightbown. I know this isn't exactly a costume > book, but it's certainly an accessories book. :) It's long out of > print, and won't be reprinted as far as the V&C Museum is telling me. > > Anyway, I've tried finding a good asking price for this book, but > Alibris and ABE Books and a couple other book-search sites come up with > nothing. Last time I saw one for sale was about three years ago, and > the bid was more than $950. Anyone have any good idea where I can find > the value of this book? It's in very good condition and still has the > intact dust cover. > > Talia > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 18:24:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PMOJT9006827 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:24:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PMO5e6014111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:24:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PMMajs070751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:22:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PMMO3o092947; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:22:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.192.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PMMLO5092836 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704252222.l3PMMLO5092836@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070425222215m13003df34e>; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:22:16 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:22:35 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book question... 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 18:36:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PMaEqM007251 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:36:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PMa02q022140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:36:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PMZQBX072525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:35:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PMZN93003713; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:35:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PLiG9U064350 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:44:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15600946-1803867 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:43:35 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [61.69.1.250]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 45612199-1803868 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:43:17 +1000 In-Reply-To: <00b801c78680$becb5140$5fa810ac@Kate> References: <229106.95651.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b801c78680$becb5140$5fa810ac@Kate> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: garden@netspeed.com.au Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:44:15 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 8, in=21, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=61.69.1.250 X-Originating-IP: 61.69.1.250 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6743ca16-0fb8-48c9-8d34-e31cb8827972 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 462FD7D0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Many thanks Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 18:37:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PMbxq8007313 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:37:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PMbjxt021388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:37:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PMZkD4072590 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PMZj1Y004010; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PLlBm6066473 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:47:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15601064-1803867 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:46:32 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [61.69.1.250]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 45613482-1803868 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:46:14 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5CA58087-B31A-482B-AA48-7133821ABBC8@netspeed.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Historical Costume From: garden@netspeed.com.au Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:47:11 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 8, in=22, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=61.69.1.250 X-Originating-IP: 61.69.1.250 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21f674ba-c8f0-4ceb-9581-fa4b19cb888c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462FD839.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Many thanks Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 19:07:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PN7v9Q008224 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:07:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PN7h2R028474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:07:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PN6rFo076651 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:06:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PN6p42027498; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:06:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-36.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PN6F0j027088 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:06:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6514CD25D for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:06:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <462FDEEB.9070006@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:06:19 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question References: <5CA58087-B31A-482B-AA48-7133821ABBC8@netspeed.com.au> In-Reply-To: <5CA58087-B31A-482B-AA48-7133821ABBC8@netspeed.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1fa7c154-3859-41f8-aa7b-ccca1048c922 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 462FDF3F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 19:33:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PNXuYp009145 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:33:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PNXg29003603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:33:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PNWidF079604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PNWfx9045337; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PNWcHY045264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:32:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-16-132.desm.qwest.net [75.162.16.132]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PNWWK4018701 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:32:32 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200704251800.l3PI0XHZ059866@net.indra.com> References: <200704251800.l3PI0XHZ059866@net.indra.com> Message-Id: <529F03AB-21F0-45C6-8517-ED2074286352@cybermesa.com> From: Suzanne Subject: Re: [h-cost] thread holders Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:32:30 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e4c8285-1bcf-4ccd-bef5-dcc139505084 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462FE556.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 19:35:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PNZXbP009211 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:35:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3PNZK0X004213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:35:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3PNYpWX079872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:34:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PNYohK046745; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:34:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay1.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3PNYhng046661 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:34:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15666615-1804220 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:35:21 +1000 Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.130.164.2]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 45674235-1803868 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:33:38 +1000 Received: from 203.10.77.190 by HTTP From: "garden@netspeed.com.au" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.1r X-Originating-IP: 203.10.77.190 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:35:27 +1000 Message-id: <462fe5bf.364.5756.1925671656@netspeed.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 49715dac-5c6b-4937-bc1c-ccc45289df3f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 462FE5B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cheers Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 21:55:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q1t1tw013379 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:55:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3Q1sll2031631 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:54:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3Q1reDQ001657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:53:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q1raRK035686; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:53:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q1rWoi035644 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.81.134.67]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JH300LYT192IW77@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:53:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:53:47 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz In-reply-to: <200704241800.l3OI04tG031344@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <4630062B.8000607@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200704241800.l3OI04tG031344@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: velvet and embroidery X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c6ee86a6-db2c-4853-b0ee-2f4c0f0ed00f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46300667.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Good Luck! -Liz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 22:15:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q2F2cf014041 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:15:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3Q2EnR4021014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:14:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3Q2D2qV004817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:13:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q2CwBY048055; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:12:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay1.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q2Cr1K048003 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:12:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15680350-1804220 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:13:31 +1000 Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.130.164.2]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 45776316-1803868 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:11:52 +1000 Received: from 203.10.77.190 by HTTP From: "garden@netspeed.com.au" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: velvet and embroidery X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.1r X-Originating-IP: 203.10.77.190 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:13:48 +1000 Message-id: <46300adc.61.7319.821204868@netspeed.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b69c1cbc-fca9-4517-b8d6-f276e14e4cb2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46300B19.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Would vilene tearaway, heavy duty work? I used this a lot with my satin stitching on Irish dance costumes and have miles of it. Cheers, Aylwen ----- Original Message ----- From: Cozit / Liz To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: velvet and embroidery Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:53:47 -0400 > Bjarne had a good point I'd forgotten! For *most* > embroidery on velvet, you will probably want to use some > form of waste canvas or gauze that you can cut away > afterwards to help keep the threads from hiding down in > the velvet.... velveteen as well. > > > Good Luck! > -Liz > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Apr 25 23:57:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q3vof3017275 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:57:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3Q3vaH4007481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:57:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3Q3ulnU020760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:56:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q3uhnp009901; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:56:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q3udLA009842 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:56:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B66CD2A5 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:56:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <463022F9.10305@reddawn.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:56:41 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question References: <462fe5bf.364.5756.1925671656@netspeed.com.au> In-Reply-To: <462fe5bf.364.5756.1925671656@netspeed.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d35de695-2719-4861-b5d5-424525899b0e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46302331.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 00:35:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q4Z3vc018332 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:35:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3Q4YnAg026543 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:34:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3Q4YCWc025538 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:34:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q4YA6I030454; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:34:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q4Y3Lh030391 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:34:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15630976-1803867 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:33:22 +1000 Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.130.164.2]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 45853257-1803868 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:32:46 +1000 Received: from 203.10.77.190 by HTTP From: "garden@netspeed.com.au" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.1r X-Originating-IP: 203.10.77.190 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:34:43 +1000 Message-id: <46302be3.396.8a9.180457696@netspeed.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 182379bc-e267-410f-a56a-d1d7bf448492 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46302BEA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'll have a look at my other patterns tonight and sort out the sleeve later. I've traced it all out, and added the side back bodice to the front pieces, so I can lace up the side back/back seam to allow for growth fluctuations. I will use the front opening for putting on though. I'm being inspired by some of the gorgeous gowns on Festive Attyre. I'm planning to wear a high necked smock underneath - do you think I can do this and wear a ruff? I'd love to find an example of this showing some blackwork on the collar and cuffs. Must get back to work, Aylwen ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:56:41 -0500 > garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: > > > Hi Dawn > > > > Do you think the sleeve is accurate? It looks to me as > > though it is too shaped. In Jean Hunnisett the sleeves > > do not have as much shaping. > > I don't have Hunnisett so I can't say how they compare > with her. However I do think the sleeve cap is a little > too poofy. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 02:32:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q6WsHs001197 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:32:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3Q6We4U012315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:32:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3Q6VafE040002 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q6VP2h090194; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q6VKbI090146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-64-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.64]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3Q6VEYZ000434 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:31:15 +1000 Message-ID: <004801c787cc$7d5d1980$40d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:31:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Content-Disposition: X-PCToolsMIME: Updated by PC Tools Mime Parser 1.0.0.4 X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 7th century silk? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa3b256b-8d84-4b9a-81d0-39e1aa94c4dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46304788.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello everyone, first up the short version of the question, does anybody know what fabric 7th century Italian or English church vestments (specifically the chasuble) would have been made of? Read on if you're interested in why I need to know. My SCA group has been given a quest to find a 'relic' of our patron saint (St Aldhelm) I've found a 13th century book on the lives of the saints (http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/golden000.htm for a 15th century English translation) which mentions a relic which was still on display in the 13th century in the form of a chasuble which was miraculously hung on a sunbeam. If we take this source at face value and assume that this was really the chasuble used by an English monk while visiting Rome in the late 7th century (so it could have either been purchased in Rome or taken with him from England) would it have been made from silk or wool (presumably not linen as it was described as purple)? Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.182) Database version: 5.07160 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 03:01:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q71HYT011329 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:01:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3Q713P4004699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:01:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3Q70XvS043891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:00:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q70Vx3006088; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q70RGc006019 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:00:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=p1xpIzpwzuM7nu1bfH+iKeysKtFGX5nHg4nKAwss8AJWB2o/5W8CDuh3Em7swA0z; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.204.238] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Hgxxm-0001JV-4A for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:00:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <004801c787cc$7d5d1980$40d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <004801c787cc$7d5d1980$40d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <433053C6-33B9-43DA-84B8-3ED6E6D7D228@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] 7th century silk? Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:00:30 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478e760aeb5eac069b48695a30c06e6cbf6a6e22cc2f0a3fb0e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.204.238 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 74753c2f-c9d2-458c-89b0-16476a9ac653 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46304E2F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 25, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Hello everyone, first up the short version of the question, does =20 > anybody know what fabric 7th century Italian or English church =20 > vestments (specifically the chasuble) would have been made of? > Read on if you're interested in why I need to know. My SCA group =20 > has been given a quest to find a 'relic' of our patron saint (St =20 > Aldhelm) I've found a 13th century book on the lives of the saints =20 > (http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/golden000.htm for a 15th =20 > century English translation) which mentions a relic which was still =20= > on display in the 13th century in the form of a chasuble which was =20 > miraculously hung on a sunbeam. If we take this source at face =20 > value and assume that this was really the chasuble used by an =20 > English monk while visiting Rome in the late 7th century (so it =20 > could have either been purchased in Rome or taken with him from =20 > England) would it have been made from silk or wool (presumably not =20 > linen as it was described as purple)? If it helps, there is a surviving 8th c. chasuble associated with St. =20= Ebbo held at the cathedral museum at Sens, France. It's made of silk =20= and is described in: Chartraire, E. 1897. Inventaire du Tressor de l'=E9glise Primatiale =20= et M=E9tropolitaine de Sens. Paul Duchemin, Sens This source only has a text description. I don't seem to have a =20 mention of it in my notes from when I was at the museum, so it may =20 not have been on display at that time. There is also a silk dalmatic =20= associated with St. Ebbo held there which (now) is a sort of slate-=20 blue in color (the fabric is a tabby weave, not particularly glossy, =20 as I recall) and is trimmed by -- I kid you not -- narrow bands of =20 woven trim in a "rainbow" pattern (i.e., half a dozen different =20 colored stripes in parallel). For what that's worth. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 03:41:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q7fLM6017737 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:41:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3Q7f7gN029587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:41:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3Q7dvp9048362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:39:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q7ds7E025588; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:39:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q7dnkf025533 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:39:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A57437A100BA; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:32:04 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c787d6$0f5e5520$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <46302be3.396.8a9.180457696@netspeed.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ea4ecfe9-7f08-4090-8852-2d2d3043bcab X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46305793.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, do wear the high necked chemise, and put the ruff on top. The = ruffle on the chemise collar, (assuming you have a ruffle), will help hold up the = ruff properly. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question I'll have a look at my other patterns tonight and sort out the sleeve later. I've traced it all out, and added the side back bodice to the front pieces, so I can lace up the side back/back seam to allow for growth fluctuations. I will use the front opening for putting on though. I'm being inspired by some of the gorgeous gowns on Festive Attyre. I'm planning to wear a high necked smock underneath - do you think I can do this and wear a ruff?=20 I'd love to find an example of this showing some blackwork on the collar and cuffs. Must get back to work, Aylwen ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:56:41 -0500 > garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: >=20 > > Hi Dawn > >=20 > > Do you think the sleeve is accurate? It looks to me as > > though it is too shaped. In Jean Hunnisett the sleeves > > do not have as much shaping. >=20 > I don't have Hunnisett so I can't say how they compare > with her. However I do think the sleeve cap is a little > too poofy. >=20 >=20 > Dawn >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 04:23:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q8Njul021628 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:23:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3Q8NVCJ030208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:23:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3Q8MuF3053494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q8MttQ046938; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:22:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3Q8MoFZ046903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:22:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-215-64-act.tpgi.com.au [220.245.215.64]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3Q8MlLS027617 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:22:48 +1000 Message-ID: <008a01c787dc$12eac880$40d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <004801c787cc$7d5d1980$40d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> <433053C6-33B9-43DA-84B8-3ED6E6D7D228@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 7th century silk? Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:22:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Content-Disposition: X-PCToolsMIME: Updated by PC Tools Mime Parser 1.0.0.4 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=18% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ead40fe7-5581-4d76-8d18-af408601d6e6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46306183.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 04:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's perfect, thanks Heather. I'll ask around for a small scrap of purple silk which we can claim is a piece of the miraculous chasuble, I'm sure somebody in the Barony will have something, and a piece less than an inch in size would certainly not be missed. I don't really need to document this (we had several joking suggestions for what the relic should be from our last meeting, including faking one of his bones from play-dough) but I wanted to know for my own benefit before I put out a general call for fabric scraps. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Rose Jones" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 7th century silk? If it helps, there is a surviving 8th c. chasuble associated with St. Ebbo held at the cathedral museum at Sens, France. It's made of silk and is described in: Chartraire, E. 1897. Inventaire du Tressor de l'église Primatiale et Métropolitaine de Sens. Paul Duchemin, Sens This source only has a text description. I don't seem to have a mention of it in my notes from when I was at the museum, so it may not have been on display at that time. There is also a silk dalmatic associated with St. Ebbo held there which (now) is a sort of slate- blue in color (the fabric is a tabby weave, not particularly glossy, as I recall) and is trimmed by -- I kid you not -- narrow bands of woven trim in a "rainbow" pattern (i.e., half a dozen different colored stripes in parallel). For what that's worth. Heather E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.182) Database version: 5.07160 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 07:57:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QBvYbt030265 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:57:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3QBvKCp021355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:57:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3QBt9To082258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:55:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QBt22X062462; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:55:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QBsvWs062413 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:55:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15662617-1803867 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:53:20 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [210.11.146.78]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 46134693-1803868 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:52:54 +1000 In-Reply-To: <001101c787d6$0f5e5520$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <001101c787d6$0f5e5520$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57F8635D-5D9B-4A38-9AA8-FBA16722A05A@netspeed.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: garden@netspeed.com.au Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:54:00 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 10, in=26, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.11.146.78 X-Originating-IP: 210.11.146.78 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0f4f31ef-141c-4926-ab8e-8665ed78f41d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 463093A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Phew! I have some blackwork I want to incorporate into a collar and cuffs. Yes, I will have a small pleating along the top of the collar. Now I just have to get the ropa/closed/open gown sorted out! I have both of the RH patterns, the MM pattern and JA's book. Too many choices! Cheers, Aylwen On 26/04/2007, at 5:39 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > Yes, do wear the high necked chemise, and put the ruff on top. The > ruffle on > the chemise collar, (assuming you have a ruffle), will help hold up > the ruff > properly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:35 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question > > > I'll have a look at my other patterns tonight and sort out > the sleeve later. > > I've traced it all out, and added the side back bodice to > the front pieces, so I can lace up the side back/back seam > to allow for growth fluctuations. I will use the front > opening for putting on though. I'm being inspired by some of > the gorgeous gowns on Festive Attyre. > I'm planning to wear a high necked smock underneath - do you > think I can do this and wear a ruff? > I'd love to find an example of this showing some blackwork > on the collar and cuffs. > > Must get back to work, Aylwen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dawn > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a > question > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:56:41 -0500 > >> garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: >> >>> Hi Dawn >>> >>> Do you think the sleeve is accurate? It looks to me as >>> though it is too shaped. In Jean Hunnisett the sleeves >>> do not have as much shaping. >> >> I don't have Hunnisett so I can't say how they compare >> with her. However I do think the sleeve cap is a little >> too poofy. >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 11:17:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QFHgI4007204 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:17:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3QFHSgx007177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:17:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3QFGP5t012903 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:16:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QFGIOa017531; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.237]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QFGGur017504 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:16:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from opmetr@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so806439nzf for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:16:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QfAmhsugQIuz64hxPUkshGXCLTi1sSJwZxMxsATjkbgCANJX7xtCckqUhnKNlk2iV+/JsI+syxl7QRXykUwSmrY+7JnWPXUw6C5g3vBcn4hqDHxwC9W3CCFVuoycnmy/6XaF4sh+UjGGemtWS1AAtpyGD1t0GHsDkG/sgOxQJYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nVqvFXWI6KUFf5dJQPM6aF4iUrtzKV4w+LZt3ijRh4JWd2y+BY1CBCvvqVlsrcYieTlgtFDqccAPWqKMcPjSMjcZAgx+htpbVzlhQNjNzf0MHXB2/AJBC+D2AEdPRfR7yYjaIjlUw5cV8+6rn2ZH8QmAgZ/1AH/JUqKYz8BylEA= Received: by 10.115.47.1 with SMTP id z1mr662008waj.1177600576025; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.120.18 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:16:15 -0700 From: "Victoria Ridenour" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] thread holders In-Reply-To: <529F03AB-21F0-45C6-8517-ED2074286352@cybermesa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200704251800.l3PI0XHZ059866@net.indra.com> <529F03AB-21F0-45C6-8517-ED2074286352@cybermesa.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 904f2889-c5d3-42d0-b6a7-bee5d2df44be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4630C288.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 4/25/07, Suzanne wrote: > > > On Apr 25, 2007, at 1:00 PM, you wrote: > > > When i saw the picture of the holy family, and the sewing basked i > > thoaght, could this thread holder simply just have ben made from a > > piece of scratch linnen? > > I know that paper was quite expensive in medieval times. > > > > Bjarne > > [This is my all-time favorite depiction of the holy family.] Since > Joseph is a carpenter, I think it's likely that it's a piece of scrap > wood. > > Suzanne > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 11:21:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QFLO6j007317 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:21:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3QFLA1o016854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:21:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3QFKjoR013652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:20:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QFKiO3021903; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:20:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QFKY1p021676 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.4]) by mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JH400IEX2LTKCX0@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.210] (Forwarded-For: 192.135.209.8, [10.240.3.210]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:20:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:20:17 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] 7th century silk? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What weave of purple? I love purple and I love silk, so I have many scraps of different purple silk.. i mean if you can't find it locally. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Walpole > That's perfect, thanks Heather. I'll ask around for a small > scrap of purple silk which we can claim is a piece of the miraculous chasuble, > Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 13:33:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QHXSZC011472 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:33:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3QHXELT032447 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:33:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3QHVxLw035842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:31:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QHVqNN050154; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:31:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QHVj5X050052 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:31:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E0253F209 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:31:45 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 7th century silk? Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:31:54 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <008a01c787dc$12eac880$40d7f5dc@user4712b7d135> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a9aacfc0-db41-484e-9552-df9f7fc82cb1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4630E25A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The window that depicts St. Aldhelm is wearing red. Take the next with a grain of salt as no docs for them yet; The chasuble is alleged to have been give to him in Rome and it is suppose to have had dragons on it and was of silk. Another source; "Bishop Aldhelm in Rome in the late 7th c. acquired a silk chasuble with a design of peacocks" If it was of silk it would have been ironic as he complained/chastised regular folk for wearing it. Fibers of the Anglo-Saxons were wool, linen, hemp, and nettle. imports were silk and possibly on a rare occasion in small sections, cotton. From: http://www.vikingsonline.org.uk/resources/articles/as_textiles.htm "Purpura Even though contemporary written sources make it clear that a fabric called purpura was prized by the Anglo-Saxons even above silk and pattern-woven silk, it is in a sense a mystery fabric because they do not specify what it is. It has been suggested that it might have been a fur or pelt, but our written sources reveal that, in spite of its etymology denoting purple, purpura was not necessarily that colour. There was a red purpura tunicle at Ely, a white purpura chasuble and a green purpura cope at Peterborough, and after the Conquest black and red purpura vestments were acquired by Rochester, and Eddius relates that St Wilfrid adorned Ripon with various distinct colours of purpura. Now while it is true that furs can be red (or russet rather), black and white, they are not, I believe, green! - so it may be reasonable to assume that purpura was not another name for fur or pelt. Purpura would seem to have been very shiny fabric. Aelfric in his Life of St Martin describes a garment as ‘shining like purpura’. That purpura does not necessarily mean ‘purple’ is easily accounted for. J André in his study on colour terms in Latin (Étude sur les Termes de Couleur dans la Langue Latine, Paris 1949) notes that even before the Middle Ages the Latin adjective purpureus had glided into meaning brightness and was used to describe: the light of day the full spectrum of the rainbow the glint of sunlight on a lightly rippled sea the shining whiteness of snow Through various writings we learn that the corpses of the Anglo-Saxon élite, both lay and clerical, were shrouded in purpura, and purpura was also used for these corpses’ underlays and overlays. This élite also used it for garments and vestments, and for decorating interiors of palaces, halls, and churches. We also know that purpura was thicker than normal silk. The London Inventory lists a textile as being ‘like purpura’ in that it is thick and of more than one colour. For a more detailed description we must forward in time to Reginald of Durham, writing between 1165-1172. He describes St Cuthbert’s dalmatic as related to him by witnesses contemporary to the saint’s reburial at Durham in 1104. The colour, he writes, ‘...was a reddish purple....but this was shot with another colour, yellow, which produced ever-changing patterns of variegated colour’ (Dodwell), and ‘...this infusion of a yellow colour is discerned to be inherent in the cloth, sprinkled dropwise over the whole, and by its strength and brilliance the reddish-purple tint is made to give out a more powerful and brighter light.’ (Reginaldi....libellus, trans. Pace). As Dodwell points out, nowhere in the text does Reginald call this fabric purpura. It is however ‘...an exact description of shot-silk taffeta as it catches the light’. Given that we know purpura came in variegated colours, and was a robust fabric, it is not unreasonable then to deduce, as Dodwell does, that it was the name the Anglo-Saxons applied to shot-silk taffeta. This conclusion of Dodwell’s is given further weight by information in the Life of St Edward (mid-11th c) that the Confessor had a ship with sails of purpura embroidered with scenes of the great sea-battles of Anglo-Saxon kings, and that King Edgar owned a cloak of ‘distinguished’ purpura, and that in the 7th c King Oswald’s banner was of purpura encrusted with gold. And even if purpura was not shot-silk taffeta, it is safe to eliminate fur or pelt from the theories since neither kings’ nor saints’ corpses were shrouded in this manner, and sails of fur or pelt - let alone embroidered fur or pelt, are highly unlikely, as indeed would be banners." De -----Original Message----- That's perfect, thanks Heather. I'll ask around for a small scrap of purple silk which we can claim is a piece of the miraculous chasuble, I'm sure somebody in the Barony will have something, and a piece less than an inch in size would certainly not be missed. I don't really need to document this (we had several joking suggestions for what the relic should be from our last meeting, including faking one of his bones from play-dough) but I wanted to know for my own benefit before I put out a general call for fabric scraps. Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 20:16:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R0G6PY025207 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:16:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3R0FqOJ005303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:15:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3R0EHpr097055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:14:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R0E1bJ092383; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:14:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R0Dkb7092216 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:13:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AE692B6A0070; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:06:01 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:13:45 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c78860$eb8f8d40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <57F8635D-5D9B-4A38-9AA8-FBA16722A05A@netspeed.com.au> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd792d6d-8d67-4610-8dfe-04d5e42e0337 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 463140B9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Blackwork is especially attractive ON the ruff, along the edges. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 4:54 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Phew! I have some blackwork I want to incorporate into a collar and cuffs. Yes, I will have a small pleating along the top of the collar. Now I just have to get the ropa/closed/open gown sorted out! I have both of the RH patterns, the MM pattern and JA's book. Too many choices! Cheers, Aylwen On 26/04/2007, at 5:39 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > Yes, do wear the high necked chemise, and put the ruff on top. The > ruffle on > the chemise collar, (assuming you have a ruffle), will help hold up > the ruff > properly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume- > bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:35 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question > > > I'll have a look at my other patterns tonight and sort out > the sleeve later. > > I've traced it all out, and added the side back bodice to > the front pieces, so I can lace up the side back/back seam > to allow for growth fluctuations. I will use the front > opening for putting on though. I'm being inspired by some of > the gorgeous gowns on Festive Attyre. > I'm planning to wear a high necked smock underneath - do you > think I can do this and wear a ruff? > I'd love to find an example of this showing some blackwork > on the collar and cuffs. > > Must get back to work, Aylwen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dawn > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a > question > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:56:41 -0500 > >> garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: >> >>> Hi Dawn >>> >>> Do you think the sleeve is accurate? It looks to me as >>> though it is too shaped. In Jean Hunnisett the sleeves >>> do not have as much shaping. >> >> I don't have Hunnisett so I can't say how they compare >> with her. However I do think the sleeve cap is a little >> too poofy. >> >> >> Dawn >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 21:24:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R1ORV3027132 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:24:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3R1ODOi002848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:24:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3R1NN7O006270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:23:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R1NJgh035217; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:23:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay1.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3QMvAgc044576 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:57:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15755637-1804220 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:57:49 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [210.11.147.232]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 46509822-1803868 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:55:53 +1000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:57:04 +1000 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 7th century silk? From: Aylwen & John Garden To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] 7th century silk? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Elizabeth, I have some scraps of dark purple silk left over from John's cavalier outfit. Cheers, Aylwen On 26/4/07 6:22 PM, "Elizabeth Walpole" wrote: > That's perfect, thanks Heather. I'll ask around for a small scrap of purp= le > silk which we can claim is a piece of the miraculous chasuble, I'm sure > somebody in the Barony will have something, and a piece less than an inch= in > size would certainly not be missed. I don't really need to document this = (we > had several joking suggestions for what the relic should be from our last > meeting, including faking one of his bones from play-dough) but I wanted = to > know for my own benefit before I put out a general call for fabric scraps= . > Elizabeth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Heather Rose Jones" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 7th century silk? >=20 > If it helps, there is a surviving 8th c. chasuble associated with St. > Ebbo held at the cathedral museum at Sens, France. It's made of silk > and is described in: >=20 > Chartraire, E. 1897. Inventaire du Tressor de l'=E9glise Primatiale > et M=E9tropolitaine de Sens. Paul Duchemin, Sens >=20 > This source only has a text description. I don't seem to have a > mention of it in my notes from when I was at the museum, so it may > not have been on display at that time. There is also a silk dalmatic > associated with St. Ebbo held there which (now) is a sort of slate- > blue in color (the fabric is a tabby weave, not particularly glossy, > as I recall) and is trimmed by -- I kid you not -- narrow bands of > woven trim in a "rainbow" pattern (i.e., half a dozen different > colored stripes in parallel). >=20 > For what that's worth. >=20 > Heather >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.182) > Database version: 5.07160 > http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 21:25:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R1PDoA027166 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:25:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3R1Owol013594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:25:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3R1NoMQ006383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R1Nm2b035575; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R0GGAi093854 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:16:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AEFE4A7F00BA; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:08:30 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 7th century silk? Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:16:14 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c78861$44785310$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68e25f63-3fee-460c-b840-a267831a65b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 463150EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The "purple" that it may have been, the one made from, I think, sea = snail shells, supposedly was a reddish-purple, maybe closer to magenta than = the blue-purple we think of as purple today. Someone on this list was = talking about it a few months ago. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of otsisto Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 10:32 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] 7th century silk? The window that depicts St. Aldhelm is wearing red. Take the next with a grain of salt as no docs for them yet; The chasuble is alleged to have been give to him in Rome and it is = suppose to have had dragons on it and was of silk. Another source; "Bishop Aldhelm in Rome in the late 7th c. acquired a silk chasuble with = a design of peacocks" If it was of silk it would have been ironic as he complained/chastised regular folk for wearing it. Fibers of the Anglo-Saxons were wool, linen, hemp, and nettle. imports = were silk and possibly on a rare occasion in small sections, cotton. From: http://www.vikingsonline.org.uk/resources/articles/as_textiles.htm "Purpura Even though contemporary written sources make it clear that a fabric = called purpura was prized by the Anglo-Saxons even above silk and pattern-woven silk, it is in a sense a mystery fabric because they do not specify what = it is. It has been suggested that it might have been a fur or pelt, but our written sources reveal that, in spite of its etymology denoting purple, purpura was not necessarily that colour. There was a red purpura tunicle = at Ely, a white purpura chasuble and a green purpura cope at Peterborough, = and after the Conquest black and red purpura vestments were acquired by Rochester, and Eddius relates that St Wilfrid adorned Ripon with various distinct colours of purpura. Now while it is true that furs can be red = (or russet rather), black and white, they are not, I believe, green! - so it = may be reasonable to assume that purpura was not another name for fur or = pelt. Purpura would seem to have been very shiny fabric. Aelfric in his Life = of St Martin describes a garment as =91shining like purpura=92. That purpura = does not necessarily mean =91purple=92 is easily accounted for. J Andr=E9 in his = study on colour terms in Latin (=C9tude sur les Termes de Couleur dans la Langue Latine, Paris 1949) notes that even before the Middle Ages the Latin adjective purpureus had glided into meaning brightness and was used to describe: the light of day the full spectrum of the rainbow the glint of sunlight on a lightly rippled sea the shining whiteness of snow Through various writings we learn that the corpses of the Anglo-Saxon = =E9lite, both lay and clerical, were shrouded in purpura, and purpura was also = used for these corpses=92 underlays and overlays. This =E9lite also used it = for garments and vestments, and for decorating interiors of palaces, halls, = and churches. We also know that purpura was thicker than normal silk. The London = Inventory lists a textile as being =91like purpura=92 in that it is thick and of = more than one colour. For a more detailed description we must forward in time to Reginald of Durham, writing between 1165-1172. He describes St Cuthbert=92s dalmatic = as related to him by witnesses contemporary to the saint=92s reburial at = Durham in 1104. The colour, he writes, =91...was a reddish purple....but this = was shot with another colour, yellow, which produced ever-changing patterns = of variegated colour=92 (Dodwell), and =91...this infusion of a yellow = colour is discerned to be inherent in the cloth, sprinkled dropwise over the = whole, and by its strength and brilliance the reddish-purple tint is made to = give out a more powerful and brighter light.=92 (Reginaldi....libellus, = trans. Pace). As Dodwell points out, nowhere in the text does Reginald call this = fabric purpura. It is however =91...an exact description of shot-silk taffeta = as it catches the light=92. Given that we know purpura came in variegated colours, and was a robust fabric, it is not unreasonable then to deduce, as Dodwell does, that it = was the name the Anglo-Saxons applied to shot-silk taffeta. This conclusion = of Dodwell=92s is given further weight by information in the Life of St = Edward (mid-11th c) that the Confessor had a ship with sails of purpura = embroidered with scenes of the great sea-battles of Anglo-Saxon kings, and that King Edgar owned a cloak of =91distinguished=92 purpura, and that in the 7th = c King Oswald=92s banner was of purpura encrusted with gold. And even if purpura was not shot-silk taffeta, it is safe to eliminate = fur or pelt from the theories since neither kings=92 nor saints=92 corpses = were shrouded in this manner, and sails of fur or pelt - let alone = embroidered fur or pelt, are highly unlikely, as indeed would be banners." De -----Original Message----- That's perfect, thanks Heather. I'll ask around for a small scrap of = purple silk which we can claim is a piece of the miraculous chasuble, I'm sure somebody in the Barony will have something, and a piece less than an = inch in size would certainly not be missed. I don't really need to document this = (we had several joking suggestions for what the relic should be from our = last meeting, including faking one of his bones from play-dough) but I wanted = to know for my own benefit before I put out a general call for fabric = scraps. Elizabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 21:26:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R1QRpO027209 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:26:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3R1P8QF020202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:25:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3R1OXqb006550 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:24:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R1OXRT036172; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:24:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R1OUkA036124 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:24:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AEFC38304BE; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:16:44 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:24:28 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c7886a$cc89ead0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <462fe5bf.364.5756.1925671656@netspeed.com.au> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc32d735-ad5d-4a1c-b980-13c208fe1c2f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 463150F4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Just my 2 cents worth, but when I looked at the pic on the front of the pattern, the armseye seems too large. If you look at the pics of Helen Mirren in these gowns, the sleeves fit tightly up under the arm. Gives a more period look, but maybe is not so comfortable or easy to fit for = today's folks. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of garden@netspeed.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:35 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Hi Dawn Do you think the sleeve is accurate? It looks to me as though it is too shaped. In Jean Hunnisett the sleeves do not have as much shaping. I've brought the pattern to work with me today to trace off at lunch time. Cheers Aylwen=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 22:46:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R2kKEI029619 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:46:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3R2k6EF025822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:46:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3R2iUUl016301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:44:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R2iRnN085146; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:44:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R2iO6H085064 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:44:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=t1/Syku9W7xaIVcbkX8V5W5rRVah85RwpM5smxdeaw8zYmLkTseCGYK3j/xQMUBc; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.45.230] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HhGRX-0003H4-03 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:44:19 -0400 Message-ID: <00f801c78876$8d91a780$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005501c7886a$cc89ead0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:48:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd489a60882008d9fff05bff808059695881937de48b32926e61350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.45.230 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f3afdad-9949-4421-a7e2-fe4a3f58b58d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 463163EE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO From: "Sharon Collier" <>Just my 2 cents worth, but when I looked at the pic on the front of the pattern, the armseye seems too large. If you look at the pics of Helen Mirren in these gowns, the sleeves fit tightly up under the arm. Gives a more period look, but maybe is not so comfortable or easy to fit for today's folks. This is counter-intuitive, but the more fitted the armseye, the more movement you have, as long as the sleeve head rests on the point of the shoulder. I make Elizabethan and Cavalier doublets and bodices for rapier combat and making the armseye too big makes the whole garment pull with movement and actually restricts the arm. However, it has to be fitted to the individual, not made as an approximation or average, which is why most modern clothes are so loose. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Apr 26 23:58:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R3wZO4031541 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:58:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3R3vGQ5032066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:58:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3R3tapS025273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:55:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R3tXa4026409; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3R3tTJ2026360 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:55:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15722510-1803867 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:54:47 +1000 Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [203.130.164.2]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 46699144-1803868 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:54:13 +1000 Received: from 203.10.77.190 by HTTP From: "garden@netspeed.com.au" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question X-Mailer: Quality Web Email v3.1r X-Originating-IP: 203.10.77.190 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 13:56:23 +1000 Message-id: <46317467.33c.4907.1477511130@netspeed.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 490759fb-4056-46d5-a22c-e968f9d1d6a6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4631749C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes, I agree. I have had so much grief with men's outfits - pattern companies always make the armsyces too loose, and so I've had to re-draft most of the sleeves for our band's outfits. Then, the men ask why I'm making the sleeves so tight - today's modern styles make it hard for them to realise they will have more movement. Because we wear these outfits for dancing we need to raise our arms above the head. At least for Elizabethan I can make the sleeves detachable! Cheers, Aylwen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:48:35 -0700 > From: "Sharon Collier" > > <>Just my 2 cents worth, but when I looked at the pic on > the front of the pattern, the armseye seems too large. If > you look at the pics of Helen Mirren in these gowns, the > sleeves fit tightly up under the arm. Gives a more period > look, but maybe is not so comfortable or easy to fit for > today's folks. > > This is counter-intuitive, but the more fitted the armseye > , the more movement you have, as long as the sleeve head > rests on the point of the shoulder. I make Elizabethan > and Cavalier doublets and bodices for rapier combat and > making the armseye too big makes the whole garment pull > with movement and actually restricts the arm. However, > it has to be fitted to the individual, not made as an > approximation or average, which is why most modern > clothes are so loose. > > Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 10:03:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RE3roq014394 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:03:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RE1dcS028597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:02:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3RE0uCx096004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:00:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RE0q3R074040; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:00:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RE0kfp073891 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:00:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.247.123] Received: from [75.45.247.123] (adsl-75-45-247-123.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.247.123]) by flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3RE0bFU024870 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:00:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: <004e01c78860$eb8f8d40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <004e01c78860$eb8f8d40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern - a question Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:00:27 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4632027F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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See http://www.tudor-portraits.com/EdwardHoby1.jpg Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 14:40:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RIeAWp023013 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:40:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RIduQV022451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:40:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3RIceUH042435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:38:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RIcYHb032406; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RIcP09032231 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep40.mail.dk ([195.41.46.140]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070427183824.OUXI26416.fep30.mail.dk@fep40.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:38:24 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.19]) by fep40.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070427183803.VIDN1147.fep40.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:38:03 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c788fb$43434780$1343a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:38:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep40.mail.dk from [80.161.67.19] at Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:37:54 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] elizabethan sweetbag X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f9ff4cb-a39e-447c-b8d1-58121bc41ccf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4632437C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 17:30:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RLU3WD028062 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:30:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RLTnni018572 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:29:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3RLSq50066865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RLSljU073631; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3RLSfcV073436 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDDE4ZBAZSBCBA for (sender ); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:28:01 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgv5nd4MSX/1boXqylXo4Jz0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MLC55A5Z; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:27:26 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:26:49 -0700 Message-ID: <20070427.142650.328.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-4 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3966200546 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hand rolling hems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43fe579f-f0d2-43e6-ad01-dce14f7c735c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46326B4D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 18:14:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RMEf5W029559 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:14:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RMER4H015465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:14:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3RMDvF2072852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:13:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RMDqHi009157; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:13:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-61.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RMDmqQ009045 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:13:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12826CD654 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:13:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <463275AB.6070008@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:14:03 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolling hems References: <20070427.142650.328.0.Cley@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20070427.142650.328.0.Cley@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cf3a86d-f74d-4512-8ad0-33b2c6eb582e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 463275C3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 18:38:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RMc7Z2030562 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:38:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RMbr1v002563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:37:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3RMavML075474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:36:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RMaBKR023189; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:36:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.142]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3RMa7gH023080 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 96783 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2007 22:36:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sxpgEi9xRBeEyzNKulgxLsbIXM9LJH3hfo4wBsdp9qly7pMJYzKevl5vEse0UEFdSC9lqQqavqYNjA2mL9UfxN79iZT3OH8XiVDQGeX5Jqs4P9uPlOmVueLO7jntOfODDVAA4v9m03CEva+MFQ4ronDJiI0vOvYT183AXoC+1WM=; X-YMail-OSG: gH15d7YVM1kbfPFozYBSlsrifcUyc7oDDurxxL9KQQl14zDj7sKujtmkzOvLmG9FZ9XJd2YKdo6KAQ0WFfvnnn3jx7N5D7LdAN4WZtK6HCBF31F1wPns_S1m3ERsNw-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:36:02 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <161861.96627.qm@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4de7ab18-8ce8-4e2f-a355-c8ad6e5aea02 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46327B41.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There are many images of ladies in robes, but few of them show how the lower half of the body looks, so we are left wondering. But I think I know of a few images where it appears to be open in the front. However, some may be fully closing gowns, that were simply left open in the front, something I sometimes do when I wear a more fitted kirtle. Lady Burghley http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/MildredCooke1562.html Another of the same lady http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/MildredCooke1565.html Countess of Warwick http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/CountessWarwick.html Countess of Sussex (I think those are short puffs trimmed/lined in white fur, but it's hard to tell with the tone on tone B&W image) http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1570/FrancesSidney.html As to how to make those woven sleeves, the best directions I remember seeing, was to make an under sleeve in the shape you want, then take ribbons, or bias cut fabrics, and weave them as you desire, pinning them to the undersleeve, then sew them into place along the edges. I don't know where I read that, but it was someplace online, or maybe in a message from a mailing list somewhere. Sorry I can't be more specific. Good luck, Kimiko www.kimiko1.com --- garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: > I am making an open robe for my Elizabethan outfit > and wondered if > anyone has seen short ornamental puffed sleeves on > an open robe - I > can only find them on the closed robes or ropas. > > I want to wear my elizabethan gown underneath the > open robe, and not > wear a loose kirtle as I've seen in some pictures - > I wish for my > gown to be seen clearly underneath. > > I would also like to make a sleeve with pieces that > weave over and > under in a grid pattern. Can anyone recommend the > best way to do this? > > Many thanks > > Aylwen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 19:06:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RN6Krj031716 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:06:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RN65Lo024451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:06:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3RN4LPo078608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:04:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RN4J3o040070; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:04:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RN44t9039856 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:04:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALYeMkbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACQEQIBAQcIBgcGHQ Received: from [80.43.74.130] (port=2925 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HhZTh-000LJF-3m for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:03:49 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070427235725.03727360@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:00:39 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas In-Reply-To: <161861.96627.qm@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <161861.96627.qm@web32211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=19% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e9e650af-e8bb-4234-b81b-5477f84ef269 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 463281DD.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 23:36 27/04/2007, you wrote: >There are many images of ladies in robes, but few of >them show how the lower half of the body looks, so we >are left wondering. But I think I know of a few images >where it appears to be open in the front. However, >some may be fully closing gowns, that were simply left >open in the front, something I sometimes do when I >wear a more fitted kirtle. > >Lady Burghley >http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/MildredCooke1562.html > >Another of the same lady >http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/MildredCooke1565.html > >Countess of Warwick >http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/CountessWarwick.html > >Countess of Sussex (I think those are short puffs >trimmed/lined in white fur, but it's hard to tell with >the tone on tone B&W image) >http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1570/FrancesSidney.html This lady is now considered in all likelihood to be Queen Elizabeth l. According to Janet Arnold, she is standing in front of a Chair of State. I think there may be an article in the catalogue "The Tudor Dynasty" from which I believe your picture comes. >As to how to make those woven sleeves, the best >directions I remember seeing, was to make an under >sleeve in the shape you want, then take ribbons, or >bias cut fabrics, and weave them as you desire, >pinning them to the undersleeve, then sew them into >place along the edges. I don't know where I read that, >but it was someplace online, or maybe in a message >from a mailing list somewhere. Sorry I can't be more >specific. There is a doublet of woven strips in Arnold, P of F 1560-1620. Suzi >Good luck, > >Kimiko >www.kimiko1.com > > > >--- garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: > > > I am making an open robe for my Elizabethan outfit > > and wondered if > > anyone has seen short ornamental puffed sleeves on > > an open robe - I > > can only find them on the closed robes or ropas. > > > > I want to wear my elizabethan gown underneath the > > open robe, and not > > wear a loose kirtle as I've seen in some pictures - > > I wish for my > > gown to be seen clearly underneath. > > > > I would also like to make a sleeve with pieces that > > weave over and > > under in a grid pattern. Can anyone recommend the > > best way to do this? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Aylwen > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 19:42:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RNgBaU000768 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:42:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RNfvNM009518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:42:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3RNfHx8083023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:41:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RNfDw3061152; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:41:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RNf8n2061093 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:41:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05982 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:40:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:40:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolling hems In-Reply-To: <463275AB.6070008@reddawn.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd3e34bf-055c-428f-a690-ec2173eea960 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46328A46.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Dawn wrote: > Trim off any fraying edges. Take the edge of the fabric between your > thumb and finger and try and roll it into a narrow hem. Curse. Snip > off any frayed bits you caused. Take tiny stitches with the other > hand. Repeat. I'll confess this is how I've always done it. But not long ago -- maybe even on this list? -- I read of a quicker technique that had to do with making a tiny fold and stitching alternately above the raw edge and then into the edge of the fold; take a few stitches, pull, and the hem rolls itself. But I may be missing a step or trick here, and it probably matters exactly how you point the needle. I am half-remembering a diagram which may have been on a webpage or may have been someone's ASCII drawing on the list. Does this ring bells for anyone? --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 19:50:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RNoM2A001125 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:50:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RNo81D018314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:50:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3RNnYVe083786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:49:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RNmQ8O064797; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.211]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RNlID7064326 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:48:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.13]) by bay0-omc3-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:47:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:47:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 24.89.237.144 by BAY135-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:47:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.89.237.144] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com From: "kelly grant" To: "Historical Costume" References: <005501c7886a$cc89ead0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <00f801c78876$8d91a780$0200a8c0@boris> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:47:10 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Apr 2007 23:47:12.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[60CEB2F0:01C78926] Cc: Subject: [h-cost] was... New Simplicity Elizabethan pattern, now fit in period clothing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6b020a75-6bfc-424b-b253-25d7cf4c9b42 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46328C30.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you Melusine! I have a huge problem with the gianormous armholes modern people feel they need in period clothes...but then I also have a problem with the loose fit of period clothing on a lot of modern interpreters. They feel that proper period clothes are too hot. This just isn't the case, if they are made of proper materials, and aren't uncomfortable, or heavy, if fitted properly to the body. Kelly >> Gives a > >more period look, but maybe is not so comfortable or >>easy to fit for > >today's > >folks. > > This is counter-intuitive, but the more fitted the armseye, the more > movement you have, as long as the sleeve head rests on the point of the > shoulder. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 19:53:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RNr8V6001230 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:53:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3RNqsZ7028705 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:52:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3RNqN3s084033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:52:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RNqMKs066792; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3RNqIL3066726 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:52:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=r644p4VQIda06E2h5tptnIKFXG/Hy0t4llTJ3lA07bhkGWz3o1B3XZURIWk0SvQV; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.45.145] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HhaEX-0007ht-91 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:52:13 -0400 Message-ID: <00c001c78927$b0a8c990$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolling hems Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:56:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd485b81a89ecc3896ed27ff27a73ce284cabd6355a4fd6b880e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.45.145 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6325d103-3fd2-4666-8b70-41296f200eb9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46328CD6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Dawn wrote: > >> Trim off any fraying edges. Take the edge of the fabric between your >> thumb and finger and try and roll it into a narrow hem. Curse. Snip >> off any frayed bits you caused. Take tiny stitches with the other >> hand. Repeat. > > I'll confess this is how I've always done it. But not long ago -- maybe > even on this list? -- I read of a quicker technique that had to do with > making a tiny fold and stitching alternately above the raw edge and then > into the edge of the fold; take a few stitches, pull, and the hem rolls > itself. But I may be missing a step or trick here, and it probably matters > exactly how you point the needle. I am half-remembering a diagram which > may have been on a webpage or may have been someone's ASCII drawing on the > list. Does this ring bells for anyone? > > --Robin Yes it does. I sent a file with illustrations to the original poster privately, since this list doesn't take attachments. It also helps to use a sewing clamp as a third hand to keep the fabric taut. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 20:17:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S0HJkK002311 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:17:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3S0H38O021223 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:17:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3S0GPeI086289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S0GMpY078564; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s21.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s21.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.93]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S0GI3A078489 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:16:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.11]) by bay0-omc1-s21.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:16:13 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:16:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.228.214 by BAY133-DAV1.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:16:10 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.228.214] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] hand rolling hems Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:15:37 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c7892a$58a4de20$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: AceJJywaLY63W2KOQ/aluSVa5IzC9gAAwdQg In-Reply-To: <00c001c78927$b0a8c990$0200a8c0@boris> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2007 00:16:13.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E27C3C0:01C7892A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc46b022-e293-4215-9ef0-7610837ca243 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4632927F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Rats...could you send it to me as well, or if you are willing to share I could put it up on a webpage. Thanks, Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Carmen Beaudry Does this ring bells for anyone? > > --Robin Yes it does. I sent a file with illustrations to the original poster privately, since this list doesn't take attachments. It also helps to use a sewing clamp as a third hand to keep the fabric taut. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 20:26:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S0QRoq002660 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:26:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3S0QEeL027656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:26:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3S0PJE6087160 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:25:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S0PIie082850; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:25:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S0PFHY082804 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 18:25:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.18]) by bay0-omc2-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:25:10 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:25:10 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.228.214 by BAY133-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:25:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.228.214] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] elizabethan sweetbag-stumpwork Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:24:31 -0700 Message-ID: <002501c7892b$974e2b30$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: AceI+3QjKngJN3opQSuMShzOff//8QALyHkg In-Reply-To: <000701c788fb$43434780$1343a150@CPQ21932199711> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2007 00:25:10.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE453A40:01C7892B] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ec313abe-be13-4e2e-86a1-51df43ea646c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 463294A6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:39 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] elizabethan sweetbag Hi, Thoaght i aught to tell you about the 51 issue of Australia Embroidery Magazine "Inspirations" has the most stunning embroidered elizabethan sweetbag, with strawberries in bloom and with fruits as well as Heartsease flowers. It is so beautifull, and those of you who might want it, could order it from http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=433808 Bjarne whose fingers really want to make........... Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 22:34:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S2YLG0007667 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:34:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3S2Y78G011336 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:34:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3S2X1YG000722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:33:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S2Wr8c044788; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:32:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.239]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S2WoWZ044731 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:32:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.100]) by bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:32:44 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:32:44 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:32:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [75.50.253.29] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <002401c7892a$58a4de20$0501a8c0@Laptop> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] hand rolling hems Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:32:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2007 02:32:44.0229 (UTC) FILETIME=[80531F50:01C7893D] X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8c6dfa9-8d93-4580-a846-749875143435 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4632B29F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was going to ask if it might already be on a webpage, but this would be wonderful to have access to... Laurie if you are willing to share I >could put it up on a webpage. > >Thanks, > >Sg > I sent a file with illustrations to the original poster >privately, since this list doesn't take attachments. It also helps to use >a > >sewing clamp as a third hand to keep the fabric taut. > >Melusine > _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 22:49:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S2nVum008278 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:49:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3S2nHme015285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:49:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3S2mhMv002154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:48:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S2mggW051953; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:48:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3S2mc9H051885 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDDFPRNA26ZUN2 for (sender ); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:48:12 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgnoA+xeIE/pAhjfkAqct8q0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MLDQFHJ3; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:47:34 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:43:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolling hems Message-ID: <20070427.194651.3000.1.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-45 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 17:8:3706963548 X-MAIL-INFO: 5d83ba3fba87ef3387ef07bbef070f47ce7b6fbe672b7b437faa673e43df4b2f43fbe3bf834a833b77079bef83bb X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 97070aa8-135f-4cd6-8d23-2a7617ceae9e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4632B62D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks to everyone for their help! Arlys On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:56:35 -0700 "Carmen Beaudry" writes: > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, Dawn wrote: > > > >> Trim off any fraying edges. Take the edge of the fabric between > your > >> thumb and finger and try and roll it into a narrow hem. Curse. > Snip > >> off any frayed bits you caused. Take tiny stitches with the other > >> hand. Repeat. > > > > I'll confess this is how I've always done it. But not long ago -- > maybe > > even on this list? -- I read of a quicker technique that had to do > with > > making a tiny fold and stitching alternately above the raw edge > and then > > into the edge of the fold; take a few stitches, pull, and the hem > rolls > > itself. But I may be missing a step or trick here, and it probably > matters > > exactly how you point the needle. I am half-remembering a diagram > which > > may have been on a webpage or may have been someone's ASCII > drawing on the > > list. Does this ring bells for anyone? > > > > --Robin > > Yes it does. I sent a file with illustrations to the original > poster > privately, since this list doesn't take attachments. It also helps > to use a > sewing clamp as a third hand to keep the fabric taut. > > Melusine > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Apr 27 23:17:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S3HOWR009127 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:17:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3S3H9KW000958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:17:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3S3GPd5004621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:16:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S3GNjB063928; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:16:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3S3GJE3063842 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:16:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 71464 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Apr 2007 03:16:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ujHFu8mv9ci202bmXQBf1EXF2a3SHETb/SqxhnuAxiHO0sJN6bTPrWV7BNvVlrzEcr1O2ZaSo3Oh5GXxxHnYPR4kFolPzYq95Wcjn+QpgqKT9Jpx+XjigNgUm/X6aDUdEUw4sQ8U6LbdLIMmkhpUwcyPIwK4d1NwuY+lY4RwOsQ=; X-YMail-OSG: IkzksUQVM1kc3Bek.m.vQ9AUbW7611QHfr_fJxQf_kyZ.5ivi7lIOBPgway7SUXKIMz0IeJz1cEODjOEaxaYhjPQtO13Z5zOL1Vd3lD6XVAYAnsfaLMZXp2PIRT4MA-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:16:14 PDT Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 20:16:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070427235725.03727360@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <472169.71336.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1db1a127-8087-4a14-b34d-c4d74487b3c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4632BCB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- Suzi Clarke wrote: > >Countess of Sussex (I think those are short puffs > >trimmed/lined in white fur, but it's hard to tell > with > >the tone on tone B&W image) > >http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1570/FrancesSidney.html > > This lady is now considered in all likelihood to be > Queen Elizabeth > l. According to Janet Arnold, she is standing in > front of a Chair of > State. I think there may be an article in the > catalogue "The Tudor > Dynasty" from which I believe your picture comes. Thank you Suzi! I didn't know that. I got that image from someplace online, but I will look up the info if I can find that book. Do you have the name of the author? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 01:40:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S5e87d014506 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:40:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3S5dsMj010461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:39:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3S5dC4J018670 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:39:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S5d8Ag024854; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:39:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S5d5sH024808 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=P56dPPR/CBhSCMCgGehkVReMK+Uipax0dVsPfXJmOqpwqkxNSV3hY5+UizqJhdxB; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.204.238] (helo=[10.0.1.3]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Hhfe7-0008Qn-K3 for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:38:59 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <463275AB.6070008@reddawn.net> References: <20070427.142650.328.0.Cley@juno.com> <463275AB.6070008@reddawn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6BF1B137-B6C4-47AD-BE2F-5C3E4AE9AC76@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolling hems Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:39:17 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478e760aeb5eac069b49d2c1e4dd6d4afb7cac14f3698f5e4c0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.204.238 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 561b2eaf-ff40-488d-aa34-e82ab579e3dc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4632DE2A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 27, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Dawn wrote: > Cynthia J Ley wrote: > >> Hi all. I need to hand roll a veil hem and have never done it before. >> Could someone please give me instructions? > > Trim off any fraying edges. Take the edge of the fabric between > your thumb and finger and try and roll it into a narrow hem. Curse. > Snip off any frayed bits you caused. Take tiny stitches with the > other hand. Repeat. In addition, it can help in achieving a small, tight roll if you moisten the fingers you're using to roll it. I've found that it works best to roll the edge back and forth a little between my fingers to get the best result. When I was putting together my article on seam types found in archaeological textiles the rolled hems I found were sewn with an overcast stitch -- where the thread goes around the whole rolled part then through the fabric at the edge of the roll. (This is as opposed to something more like a regular hem stitch where you're just catching the edge of the roll.) MoL's "Textiles and Clothing" notes that this was used for silk veils in the medieval period. I also found mentions of it on linen, but the specific examples were from pharaonic textiles. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 03:14:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S7Dxqg008550 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:13:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3S7DjN2028730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:13:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3S7CpBQ028128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:12:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S7Cnwd065422; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:12:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S7ChHj065363 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:12:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKeQMkbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQEAIBAQcOBwYd Received: from [80.43.74.130] (port=1078 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hhh6j-000NFD-DN for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:12:37 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070428081007.03721d28@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:11:30 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas In-Reply-To: <472169.71336.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070427235725.03727360@suziclarke.co.uk> <472169.71336.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=19% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1769acc0-ff6e-47b0-9e4b-2245276537c3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4632F429.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Do you have the name of the >author? > >Kimiko I have it somewhere, but the workroom is in dire need of a clearout, so it might take a day or two to find. Give me a nudge if I don't produce it soon. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 03:49:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S7nWrL013547 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:49:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3S7nIxX031706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:49:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3S7mYYU032859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:48:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S7mWqL079962; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:48:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay1.netspeed.com.au (relay1.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3S7mSLi079927 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:48:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8f) with ESMTP id 15856162-1804220 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:49:06 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [210.9.142.117]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 47397840-1803868 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:46:57 +1000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.5.060620 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:48:26 +1000 From: Aylwen & John Garden To: "Historical Costume " Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Puffed Sleeve on Elizabethan Loose Gown Thread-Index: AceJaZqA2VjX/fVcEdup0AADk7ERAA== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-ShareWhite: 210.9.142.117 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=11, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.142.117 X-Originating-IP: 210.9.142.117 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Puffed Sleeve on Elizabethan Loose Gown X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8fc6f9a8-077f-4a0b-8a64-9d419c3e9ccf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4632FC7E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Many thanks Aylwen http://www.bordonia.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 07:57:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SBvDVd025366 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:57:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3SBuw0I031476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 07:57:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3SBuDki056362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:56:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SBu987093068; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SBu4hq093023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:56:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-217-211-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.217.211]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l3SBu1If009073 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:56:02 +1000 Message-ID: <000501c7898c$351e6680$d3d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:56:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Content-Disposition: X-PCToolsMIME: Updated by PC Tools Mime Parser 1.0.0.4 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Paisley in Regency dresses X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c3c98c6-615c-4b80-9f46-d73f7b184589 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4633368B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I thought I had seen a photo of an extant dress that had a small paisley print all over the fabric but I couldn't find it when I went through my files, can anybody else answer definitively whether paisley as an all over design was used in a Regency dress. thanks, Elizabeth E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.182) Database version: 5.07180 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 08:42:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SCgDGR027118 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:42:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3SCfx4C028523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:42:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3SCetVT060826 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SCetZq014194; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:40:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SB6Jl5071874 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:06:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070428110614.PDMD6578.fep34.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:06:14 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.19]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070428110614.UPNS1379.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:06:14 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c78985$449a3140$1343a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] elizabethan sweetbag-stumpwork Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:06:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.67.19] at Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:06:09 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=18% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: af21c065-df4e-45d8-9826-09e8563bbe0b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46334117.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Saragrace. Oh yes i have this book, one of my favourites. Others i would warmly recomend would be Helan Pierce's books about raised embroidery. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:24 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] elizabethan sweetbag-stumpwork > Bjarne, have you ever tried stumpwork? I have a wonderful book on it > http://tinyurl.com/3x42t6 and though I "stink" at embroidery, I've even > managed to make some pretty cool stuff. > Even if you never made any of the things in this book, it is wonderful eye > candy. She - Jane Nichols - has a website with kits and stuff, but I > can't > seem to find it. > > Sg > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:39 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] elizabethan sweetbag > > Hi, > Thoaght i aught to tell you about the 51 issue of Australia Embroidery > Magazine "Inspirations" has the most stunning embroidered elizabethan > sweetbag, with strawberries in bloom and with fruits as well as Heartsease > flowers. > It is so beautifull, and those of you who might want it, could order it > from > http://www.countrybumpkin.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=433808 > > Bjarne whose fingers really want to make........... > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 08:42:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SCgLcI027128 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:42:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3SCg7Se027725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:42:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3SCeOih060685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SCeM6e013599; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:40:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com (imo-m24.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SCeI4Q013428 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d32.b523d55 (30737) for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:40:09 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:40:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paisley in Regency dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5365 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2839920d-9d81-4070-8bad-83e29f5b8435 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4633411F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 08:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:56:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ewalpole@tpg.com.au writes: can anybody else answer definitively whether paisley as an all over design was used in a Regency dress. I saw a dress in the Metropolitan Museum several years ago that had a very small warp-dyed paisley design. Shawl-like borders were also used, probably more frequently. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 11:49:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SFnqWL000800 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:49:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3SFncJ9012989 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:49:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3SFnCDO087228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:49:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SFnCex030337; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:49:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SFn8s5030246 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d64.7811ca2 (41811) for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:48:57 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paisley in Regency dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a578a6e8-23b1-4dfa-bfb2-7cae160d4191 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46336D12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/28/2007 8:40:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, AnnBWass@aol.com writes: can anybody else answer definitively whether paisley as an all over design was used in a Regency dress. I saw a dress in the Metropolitan Museum several years ago that had a very small warp-dyed paisley design. Shawl-like borders were also used, probably more frequently. *************************** Also, Regency gowns taking less fabric than the old Georgian gowns, one could be made from a large shawl or two, or a sari. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 11:50:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SFo9HT000811 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:50:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3SFntoP026073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:49:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3SFn1aE087186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:49:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SFmv1Z030146; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:48:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eagle.uvm.edu (eagle.uvm.edu [132.198.101.203]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SFmqWU030096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:48:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-75-68-166-211.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.68.166.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by eagle.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l3SFmd85009768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:48:52 -0400 Message-ID: <46336CCE.3030609@uvm.edu> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:48:30 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paisley in Regency dresses References: <000501c7898c$351e6680$d3d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> In-Reply-To: <000501c7898c$351e6680$d3d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=26% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f296bd8-ebe0-47d8-a745-803a15f33672 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46336D23.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Interesting question! I can't remember seeing an allover paisley print. Nancy Bradfield ("Costume in Detail" p. 103) describes a "blue silk and wool dress, made from a shawl, richly woven border in floral cone kashmir pattern..." I have another fashion plate image somewhere showing this type of "made from a shawl" gown. In that same book she says "Kashmir shawls became fashionable in England c. 1777 some designs at first being copied in turn by Edinburgh, Norwich, and finally by Paisley weavers. . . The Kashmir-designed shawl with plain field and borders of large floaral cones was most popular in the first 20 years of the 19th century." (p. 115) An 1810 plate from Costume Parisien shows a wool gown with a "cone" border and allover small pattern that looks. more floral than paisley. (http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/day-plates/1810-day.jpg) It doesn't look like it was made from a shawl but has the same idea: the 'paisley' looking bit is along the broder. Of course, this doesn't answer your question! Hmmm...I've started looking through the extant garments linked at Demode: http://www.demodecouture.com/realvict/1800s.html No luck yet but you might want to take a look. - Hope Elizabeth Walpole wrote: > Hi everyone, I was discussing the latest ITV adaptation of Jane > Austen's Persuasion with a friend in the UK and she mentioned a 'coat' > with an all over paisley print and asked me if it was period to have a > an all over paisley print like that rather than just as trim. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 13:34:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SHYSZc004093 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:34:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3SHYDNf024673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:34:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3SHXII2099387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SHXEmb090198; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SHXB7c090130 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:33:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c2e.145955b0 (41810) for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:33:02 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:33:01 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Paisley in Regency dresses To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5365 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3d9ede97-b125-48cc-a66e-5bfc867a60b9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46338596.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/28/2007 11:49:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hope.greenberg@uvm.edu writes: a "blue silk and wool dress, made from a shawl, richly woven border in floral cone kashmir pattern..." I have another fashion plate image somewhere showing this type of "made from a shawl" gown. Again, this doesn't answer your question, either, but in Washington in January, 1816, Mary Boardman Crowninshield described Mrs. Henry Clay in "a white merino dress with a deep border and a shawl to match" and Mrs. Brown, wife of Gen. Jacob Brown, in "an orange dress of the same kind." I may be way off base, but I have always assumed that these dresses had paisley borders--but probably woven or embroidered. The dress I saw at the Met was in the Fashion in the Age of Ingres exhibit several years ago, and there was never a publication to go with that, so I can't point you to a picture. My best memory is that it was in shades of green, and the little butahs, or paisley thingies, were printed in a stripe pattern--may even have been in between woven stripes--and were less than an inch in size. AnnWass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Apr 28 15:44:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SJiLRY008523 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:44:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3SJi6sl016242 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:44:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3SJaunt017545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:36:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SJarJg060031; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3SJanMX059950 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:36:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070428193638.RNKW8645.fep32.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:36:38 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.185]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070428193638.MUKU6126.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:36:38 +0200 Message-ID: <003901c789cc$98ff7280$b914a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <472169.71336.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:37:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.161.20.185] at Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:36:31 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=24% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d1cb91b-17b9-4c9d-bf7c-cad30e5e73df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4633A407.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just love the embroidery on the sleaves with the yellow buttercups, they seem to me to be raised stumpwork? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas > > --- Suzi Clarke wrote: >> >Countess of Sussex (I think those are short puffs >> >trimmed/lined in white fur, but it's hard to tell >> with >> >the tone on tone B&W image) >> >>http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1570/FrancesSidney.html >> >> This lady is now considered in all likelihood to be >> Queen Elizabeth >> l. According to Janet Arnold, she is standing in >> front of a Chair of >> State. I think there may be an article in the >> catalogue "The Tudor >> Dynasty" from which I believe your picture comes. > > > Thank you Suzi! I didn't know that. I got that image > from someplace online, but I will look up the info if > I can find that book. Do you have the name of the > author? > > Kimiko > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 4/27/2007 1:39 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 29 08:37:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TCbXhh017623 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:37:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3TCbJev020666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:37:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3TCZwb7033934 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:35:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TCZpd8052109; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:35:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TCZklI052012 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 06:35:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.15.225] Received: from [75.46.15.225] (adsl-75-46-15-225.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.15.225]) by flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3TCZWZs031081 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 05:35:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <003901c789cc$98ff7280$b914a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <472169.71336.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003901c789cc$98ff7280$b914a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C560A2A-8CF4-4501-A835-B662B144A35D@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:35:26 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9c976d41-5741-4a39-b48a-7334cd80c0b6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4634917F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne, Do you mean the small gold things all over the gown and kirtle? I think that these are metal quatrefoils with a central stone, not stumpwork flowers. You can see similar items on the upper sleeves of this lady http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady50.jpg a slightly fancier version down the bodices of loose gown and kirtle of this lady http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady33.jpg little ones all over the partlet here http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElizabethAustria.jpg and larger ones with square red or black centers on Elizabeth's sleeves, shoulder rolls, guards, and fan handle. http://tudorhistory.org/elizabeth/elizahever.jpg Here's a closeup of a replica of a simple version with a square center http://www.pewterreplicas.com/detail.asp?id=158&selcurrencies=GBP Cheers, Melanie Schuessler On Apr 28, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > I just love the embroidery on the sleaves with the yellow > buttercups, they seem to me to be raised stumpwork? > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" > > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:16 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas > > >> >> --- Suzi Clarke wrote: >>> >Countess of Sussex (I think those are short puffs >>> >trimmed/lined in white fur, but it's hard to tell >>> with >>> >the tone on tone B&W image) >>> >>> http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1570/ >>> FrancesSidney.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 29 12:09:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TG9ARL026449 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:09:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3TG8trL019673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:08:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3TG8FTp066004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:08:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TG89RI084226; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.138]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TG85vq084133 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:08:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.119]) by bay0-omc2-s2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:08:00 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:07:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [75.50.248.213] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8C560A2A-8CF4-4501-A835-B662B144A35D@faucet.net> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:07:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2007 16:08:00.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EE37B50:01C78A78] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db91997e-e3fd-4ad1-9322-80d02e2be9b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4634C318.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 29 12:54:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TGsS6C027492 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:54:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3TGsEHI000352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:54:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3TGrIjV072183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:53:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TGrGFb012085; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:53:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3TGrBJ1011918 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDDKVL6APPVFF2 for (sender ); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:52:44 -0700 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgg7eVD55BMkCWxUZhWr8+N0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MLHS7C6J; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:52:31 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:51:51 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas Message-ID: <20070429.095153.1508.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4-9,11-27,31-37 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 13:6:2956480092 X-MAIL-INFO: 2d5f0b6b1e1e27c7eece0bae570f778acbb7eecb73abca73d773736a6b4fdeb7c7c7238a17eabf0f5fc79e8e7aae8e6bc77b3f83baeeb36ebfcb63a32bbf8fbb7a677a0e4e7b43a74b7bd36f4b3eda03a73e8f2e4e5a7787bbcbfbbaef976b4fc74f170b9e170bae8e0baeef977ed3df6e1a9ad3cbaad71ab7cb7f73dbcb5b6afa6b026bf3a3ae8b0b6b8e X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f64c57c-112a-48fb-9ebc-9a2ab5d71bec X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4634CDB6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh bother! Can't remember the exact name of the stuff right now. It was a fine gauzy stuff that was either pinned or possibly sewn on as an oversleeve (I'm guessing pinned was more likely). One theory is that it may have been put on to protect the handwork on the sleeves, but it's just a theory.... Neat site! Arlys On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:07:58 -0700 "zelda crusher" writes: > > Melanie, > > What are the diaphanous....things....covering her lower sleeves? > Looks like > the artist was going for a soap bubble effect or something... > > Laurie > > >http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady50.jpg > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t quit your job – Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 > year. > Start Today! > http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww. classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fspl ovr%3D866144 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 29 15:22:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TJMw8U031776 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:22:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3TJMi1v029492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:22:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3TJMFJW091036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:22:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TJMB34097607; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TJM7Iw097554 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:22:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070429192202.RDGT8645.fep32.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:22:02 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.87]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070429192202.WFKS1153.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:22:02 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c78a93$b37fef00$5743a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <472169.71336.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003901c789cc$98ff7280$b914a150@CPQ21932199711> <8C560A2A-8CF4-4501-A835-B662B144A35D@faucet.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:22:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.67.87] at Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:21:55 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=25% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7381e8af-a110-4e62-ac4f-a2f6a0e35df4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4634F084.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Melanie, No thot those, what i ment was this: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/MildredCooke1562.html To me it looks really like embroidery, you can even se that there is used deeper shades of silk in the center of the flowers, like thread painting. Its the yellow flowers in the centers of blackwork embroidery on her sleaves and on her "chemise" Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas > Bjarne, > > Do you mean the small gold things all over the gown and kirtle? I think > that these are metal quatrefoils with a central stone, not stumpwork > flowers. You can see similar items on the upper sleeves of this lady > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady50.jpg > > a slightly fancier version down the bodices of loose gown and kirtle of > this lady > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady33.jpg > > little ones all over the partlet here > http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElizabethAustria.jpg > > and larger ones with square red or black centers on Elizabeth's sleeves, > shoulder rolls, guards, and fan handle. > http://tudorhistory.org/elizabeth/elizahever.jpg > > Here's a closeup of a replica of a simple version with a square center > http://www.pewterreplicas.com/detail.asp?id=158&selcurrencies=GBP > > Cheers, > Melanie Schuessler > > On Apr 28, 2007, at 3:37 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> I just love the embroidery on the sleaves with the yellow buttercups, >> they seem to me to be raised stumpwork? >> >> Bjarne >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" >> >> To: "Historical Costume" >> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:16 AM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas >> >> >>> >>> --- Suzi Clarke wrote: >>>> >Countess of Sussex (I think those are short puffs >>>> >trimmed/lined in white fur, but it's hard to tell >>>> with >>>> >the tone on tone B&W image) >>>> >>>> http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1570/ >>>> FrancesSidney.html > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 29 19:09:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TN9xA9004214 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:09:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3TN9jak007794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:09:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3TN9AYe015475 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:09:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TN96QD014094; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3TN935d014020 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:09:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.18]) by bay0-omc3-s31.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:08:58 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:08:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.228.214 by BAY133-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:08:54 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.228.214] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Puffed Sleeve on Elizabethan Loose Gown Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:08:19 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c78ab3$46d6f4a0$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-index: AceJaZqA2VjX/fVcEdup0AADk7ERAABSKmUg X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Apr 2007 23:08:58.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DD35AE0:01C78AB3] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39597602-0506-4fb2-b042-31a78ce75e97 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 463525B9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'd approach it by making a long strip of fabric, then put braid on it. Cut that into strips and "weave" it into a rectangle. Place your pattern piece on it at a 45 degree angle to the "weave. I'd do a mockup first to see how much height you need to get the puff. I think you can see how the weave is pushed together at the cuff to give it volume. Sg Let us know how it turns out!!! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Aylwen & John Garden Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:48 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Puffed Sleeve on Elizabethan Loose Gown Dear All Thanks for your help with my pattern questions. I have decided to make a loose gown out of my mid-green cotton velvet and an open gown out of a brocade. I'm trying to use up my cupboard of fabrics. I would like to copy a sleeve at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/sleeve.jpg for the loose gown. Any ideas how this one might have been constructed? Many thanks Aylwen http://www.bordonia.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Apr 29 20:34:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U0Y1K4005533 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:34:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3U0Xl2k015732 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:33:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3U0WkFR023960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U0WhAL054457; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:32:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U0WfhB054438 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1469225wxc for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:32:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=eQq+XTsrrHsV4mIKU/PQuqCMG+qBJQUQw0L5caQn7YYm2p+kdo53IHhgHmmmE5zEDSbCw7NQ/9r430TcHYQ4f1eN27xzJC/Y44G7rYfQjK9CbW3NtnZa5ss0aYzuNV9HFHKf/OydlmrM87X12cE3+lfp/z7jKbKK2moB2yEMmuU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Xo25OxJsss5HBw4K6hrKRiyxN5a1u14NfnlpGLP4Lx+imdt0mEQnwtNAlQrFgDcHOCczruHb4TSDbpwBmauW3IvJx/Eisi0F3/pF8B63cp29NStiXo4BohIXXfRChosgnbBo5L7D+Hw69UipZy8Rm02Coqtcd4ab9rN24W8FfMo= Received: by 10.70.56.4 with SMTP id e4mr9343513wxa.1177893160414; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25sm7171009wra.2007.04.29.17.32.39; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 17:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1df301c78abf$0fbf4b50$030ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Puffed Sleeve on Elizabethan Loose Gown Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 19:24:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39a01303-69a7-4445-b630-5de787b6ba33 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4635396B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 29 Apr 2007 20:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO OH! I remember years ago I made a doublet with this kind of weaving of strips of fabric with. What I did was cut out the doublet pieces and then on Russian tulle laid the strips on it and then hand tacked them together. You can do the same thing. Cut out a paper pattern piece of the sleeve head and then lay the strips on it to see how it will go. Good luck, post pictures! Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aylwen & John Garden" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 2:48 AM Subject: [h-cost] Puffed Sleeve on Elizabethan Loose Gown > Dear All > > Thanks for your help with my pattern questions. I have decided to make a > loose gown out of my mid-green cotton velvet and an open gown out of a > brocade. I'm trying to use up my cupboard of fabrics. I would like to copy > a > sleeve at http://www.earthlydelights.com.au/sleeve.jpg for the loose > gown. > > Any ideas how this one might have been constructed? > > Many thanks > > Aylwen > http://www.bordonia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 03:15:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U7FHYp002159 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:15:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3U7F3ks019601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:15:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3U7EG1V067682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:14:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U7ECcX070470; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:14:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U7E7aB070426 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:14:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AB7D439B1C for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:14:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:14:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000d01c78a93$b37fef00$5743a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb30d967-fa19-4785-9148-64d1ae2fe73b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46359777.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I agree. The gold flowers on her sleeve and partlet look to be embroidered. perhaps raised or padded embroidery/stumpwork. De -----Original Message----- Dear Melanie, No thot those, what i ment was this: http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/MildredCooke1562.html To me it looks really like embroidery, you can even se that there is used deeper shades of silk in the center of the flowers, like thread painting. Its the yellow flowers in the centers of blackwork embroidery on her sleaves and on her "chemise" Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 05:44:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U9iDPu023822 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:44:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3U9hxhj032324 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:44:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3U9hIel084251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:43:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U9hFJN046134; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao05.charter.net (mtao05.charter.net [209.225.8.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U9gqnG045925 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 03:43:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa07.charter.net ([10.20.200.159]) by mtao05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070430094246.VXID1417.mtao05.charter.net@aa07.charter.net> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:42:46 -0400 Received: from Maxwell ([24.205.12.33]) by aa07.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070430094234.JSFI27396.aa07.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:42:34 -0400 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:42:31 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01c78b14$4ca77c40$210ccd18@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AceILUU+X3/7wNwvT1Guf+xHSUzBTQC5dECw In-Reply-To: <200704261800.l3QI0BET077006@net.indra.com> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Once last time: The Tudors: Royal Stylemakers X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e5d3ca41-5b0c-4983-b644-4f9223a5c304 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4635BA5F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, the Tudor Royal Stylemaker special is now out all over the place. It's showing on Showtime a lot over the next couple of week. It's on Showtime on Demand. It's also on their website, but there it's very small and dark so can't appreciate the costumes really well. Get the full schedule of showings at www.sho.com and follow the links for style. (Warning, avoid clicking on the fashion trends after watching the main show... it's painful... but that's by another company and they've really stretched the fashions of the Tudors beyond the breaking point.) Even if you're not into modern fashion, the section that interviews the costume designer is quite nice. She talks about how she re-envisions the period and some of her inspirations. If you want to check out your friends' pictures and read the credits, tape it... they go fast. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 08:18:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UCIM8W016592 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:18:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UCI8aO016841 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:18:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UCHKrJ001772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:17:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UCHFpg030790; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:17:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UCHC21030715 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:17:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.13.77] Received: from [75.46.13.77] (adsl-75-46-13-77.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.13.77]) by flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3UCGwlw025848 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:16:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070429171423.03740890@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <8C560A2A-8CF4-4501-A835-B662B144A35D@faucet.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20070429171423.03740890@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <87AB885C-7254-4EDA-A6B9-AB9A119FF4EC@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:16:56 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b16838e0-f235-4ee0-af38-67d6286bb231 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4635DE80.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 29, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 17:07 29/04/2007, you wrote: > >> Melanie, >> >> What are the diaphanous....things....covering her lower sleeves? >> Looks like the artist was going for a soap bubble effect or >> something... >> >> Laurie >> >>> http://www.tudor-portraits.com/UnknownLady50.jpg > > > They are probably cypress lawn oversleeves, sometimes seen on > portraits of this period. > > Suzi > I agree. This representation is unusually extreme in its separation of sleeve and oversleeve--most of the time, there's a fine layer (sometimes with a faint pattern) just above the surface of the sleeve, and it's almost impossible to see. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 08:51:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UCpq7a017269 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:51:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UCpc7V005395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:51:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UCjrER004717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:45:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UCjoDG049515; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:45:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UCjkpO049406 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:45:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 91272 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 12:45:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.149.172 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 12:45:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0yOeOWgVM1lp04J4z8HmaU5SZDh7CEj7uelryVE9j4vpioIy.zXqdU4.e.B0ro_6ATWr5NHCLA-- Message-ID: <001f01c78b25$6f6354a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "H-Costume" Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:45:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e6e19f9-3611-4611-9508-84506784291f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4635E65A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have been reading "What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution" and have been captivated by the author's thesis re the effects of 'fashion/anti fashion' had in many aspects of 18th Century France. "Buy French" is an early theme and her arrival as the Dauphine-ellect plays out much as featured in the most recent film...except, it seems that the truth of the matter is that Mother Maria Teresa sent her to France complete with an up to date trouseau of the latest French fashions that were confiscated by the new court. We remember that MA was criticized for her wonton extravigant use of the treasury for her own adornment. Most of her gowns could only be worn once or twice by court tradition and edicts. The silk trade dominated the core of the rag trade. When she changed the styles to a more countrified look, she was blamed again for causing a depression in the fashion related trades. She really rocks the boat when she begins to have her wardrobe repaired and re-embellished instead of buying new! Lots of descriptions of clothing and hairstyles and details of her connections with Bertin and the royal hairdresser. Illustrations are few but taken from portraiture and cartoons; the written word carries the day. I am fascinated with this new conception of a "Petticoat Rebellion" Anyone on the list who might have cracked this book? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 09:32:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UDWEY8018110 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:32:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UDW0Cu025257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:32:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UDVHuX009691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:31:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UDVB4g078263; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UDV5R9078125 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:31:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:30:46 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l3UDUk732487 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:30:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 30 Apr 2007 08:30:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:30:46 -0500 References: <200704251800.l3PI0ElU059510@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:30:36 -0500 Message-ID: <4635A92D.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200704251800.l3PI0ElU059510@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] hand rolled hems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 71f9c036-3046-42a0-9d20-84790cb352cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4635EFD0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >I sent a file with illustrations to the original poster >privately, since this list doesn't take attachments. >It also helps to use a >sewing clamp as a third >hand to keep the fabric taut. > >Melusine > May I also request a copy? This thread came up at a very good time for me, I already have the cursing part down :). Thanks, Catherine ckinsey@kumc.edu _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 10:16:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UEGnN3019064 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:16:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UEGZ8V012648 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:16:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UEFmB9014799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UEFkfv011380; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:15:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UEFgS8011321 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070430141541.XDOA8645.fep32.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:15:41 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.20.194]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070430141541.WULA1153.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:15:41 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c78b32$1357df20$c214a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001f01c78b25$6f6354a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:15:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.161.20.194] at Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:15:35 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=24% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a6a9409-0081-47fe-8f87-4da34b84490e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4635FA43.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yes :-) I love this book, and i think the author made a terrific job. Also a danish princess who was going to make peace between Sweden and Denmark had a very expensive trouseau. Her things were send by more than 50 carriages of clothing, furniture and other things, she could not live without, including her weddingdress. The new about this weddingdress was that it actually was not made in Paris as thoaght, but was made by a danish taylor. They recently found the bill. One of my theories about how bad it went, is that if she had not excluded all the important nobility families from her own petite court at Trianon, it would not have went as badly as it did. She had build up an image, being the queen of fashion, also adored and looked up to by all the nobility families, when she turned her back to them, they started to hate her. That was a big mistake.......... And it is true that she tryed to be a good girl and not spend so much money on fashion, but she forgot all her duties as a queen, abandoned the whole machinery, with no thoaghts about how dangerous this was. I would have given my right arm, to see the shop in Paris with Rose Bertins dresses.............................. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "H-Costume" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution >I have been reading "What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution" and >have been captivated by the author's thesis re the effects of 'fashion/anti >fashion' had in many aspects of 18th Century France. "Buy French" is an >early theme and her arrival as the Dauphine-ellect plays out much as >featured in the most recent film...except, it seems that the truth of the >matter is that Mother Maria Teresa sent her to France complete with an up >to date trouseau of the latest French fashions that were confiscated by the >new court. > > We remember that MA was criticized for her wonton extravigant use of the > treasury for her own adornment. Most of her gowns could only be worn once > or twice by court tradition and edicts. The silk trade dominated the core > of the rag trade. When she changed the styles to a more countrified look, > she was blamed again for causing a depression in the fashion related > trades. She really rocks the boat when she begins to have her wardrobe > repaired and re-embellished instead of buying new! > > Lots of descriptions of clothing and hairstyles and details of her > connections with Bertin and the royal hairdresser. Illustrations are few > but taken from portraiture and cartoons; the written word carries the day. > > I am fascinated with this new conception of a "Petticoat Rebellion" > > Anyone on the list who might have cracked this book? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 11:10:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFAZJb020224 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:10:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UFAL9Y005728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:10:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UF8sqC023143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:08:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UF8oMG058198; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:08:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UF8kc4058064 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.19]) by bay0-omc1-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:08:41 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:08:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 67.40.228.214 by BAY133-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:08:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.40.228.214] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000a01c78b39$5805f290$0501a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001f01c78b25$6f6354a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceLJfhZxOSu4BSMR8qBRI+TjjVlCQAEmCGw X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2007 15:08:41.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[704A1B10:01C78B39] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d34beade-aa1b-4434-94e6-927c033693c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 463606DD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 11:45:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFjjcn020859 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:45:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UFjVPW002023 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:45:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UFh4TJ028413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:43:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFh0SQ091115; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:43:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFguQ0090918 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:42:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c16.153ca101 (39330) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:42:42 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:42:40 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5365 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9dd9d3bd-45e9-4983-a02a-07d4d7b515b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46360F1B.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 11:47:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFlaRx020893 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:47:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UFlDeG028192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:47:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UFkUqZ029013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFkS5Y094436; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:46:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [204.127.192.85]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFkPP8094308 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:46:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from eirenetz@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070430154620m15007i2nke>; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:46:20 +0000 Received: from [67.162.141.121] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:46:19 +0000 From: eirenetz@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:46:19 +0000 Message-Id: <043020071546.19292.46360F4B0001B10200004B5C2200735834969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWlyZW5ldHpAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 807316f6-a2e0-4f08-8590-d3f1e2616f9f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46360F81.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry for the late reply myself, but..... I'm doing some silk organza scarves (not historic, before anyone panics [1]). The fabric is 60" wide, so the hand rolled hem is very long - and I hate hand-sewing with a red passion, so I'm always trying to figure out how to make it easier and faster. And I hit on something this weekend. As long as the finished part is longer than my forearm, I can pin the edge under my right elbow (I'm right-handed) on a table, and hold the unfinished part of the hem in my left hand, rolling the hem toward me with the left hand's fingers. This keeps the hem taut, while rolling at the same time. I can then use my right hand to stitch what the left hand is preparing. Make sure that the table-chair setup puts your elbow no lower than normal height, or you'll be bending your back, which is Not Good. This goes fast! Hand-sewing really is the best a lot of the time. I was applying a beaded ribbon trim to a belt recently, and tried to do it three times with the machine, before I gave up. And there's no other way to finish the interior seams of a GFD. The hand-sewing is just the only way for a lot of things like this. (I call it my Laurel's Object Lesson.) BTW - don't know if anyone mentioned it, but using silk thread on a silk organza really works best, and you don't have problems with the thread sawing through delicate organza fibers. The only problem I've found is that the available colors of silk thread are somewhat limited. Melanie / Lijsbet [1] I was working on Harry Potter costumes at an SCA business meeting once. People were worried! ;-) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Catherine Kinsey" > >I sent a file with illustrations to the original poster > >privately, since this list doesn't take attachments. > >It also helps to use a >sewing clamp as a third > >hand to keep the fabric taut. > > > >Melusine > > > > May I also request a copy? > > This thread came up at a very good time for me, I already have the > cursing part down :). > > Thanks, > Catherine > ckinsey@kumc.edu > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 11:55:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFt7qY021001 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:55:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UFsr25026463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:54:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UFqXEJ030004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:52:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFqUsC000359; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:52:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3U4qBx4092724 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:52:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from TeaRoseS@aol.com) Received: from TeaRoseS@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cf2.efc0ccc (32913) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:52:02 -0400 (EDT) From: TeaRoseS@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:52:02 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5365 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need fabric selection advice X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1c1d5f79-6533-4e73-9fff-852ddd399f73 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4636114D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello. Rank amateur that I am, I need some advice about selecting fabric for my Tudor wardrobe (1530-1560ish) from you textile experts. FashionFabrics has silk twill on sale and I was wondering if it would be appropriate for my period, and if so, what for? In the near future I'm planning to make a loose gown (with the purpose of keeping me warm at our annual February event) and a boned kirtle, or whatever I figure out is appropriate for this period. Sometime soon I hope to make a fitted French-style gown like this one: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Margot_001.jpg_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Margot_001.jpg) and/or an English-style court gown (like this one, but not specifically this one: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:JaneSeymour.jpg_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:JaneSeymour.jpg) ). Would silk twill have been used for any of these garments? I'm not necessarily going for super-upper class with the loose gown, by the way. I was thinking of using some cotton velvet I already have for the loose gown; would that be warmer than the silk twill, or would it all depend on what I lined it with? Tea Rose ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 11:57:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFv3t4021039 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:57:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UFunLO006783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:56:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UFtXTa030745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:55:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UFtWCs003949; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:55:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UCEpxU029361 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 06:14:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.13.77] Received: from [75.46.13.77] (adsl-75-46-13-77.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.13.77]) by flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l3UCEbGk022328 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 05:14:37 -0700 In-Reply-To: <000d01c78a93$b37fef00$5743a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <472169.71336.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com><003901c789cc$98ff7280$b914a150@CPQ21932199711> <8C560A2A-8CF4-4501-A835-B662B144A35D@faucet.net> <000d01c78a93$b37fef00$5743a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4D064BDD-F4B2-456F-9596-3C15DB3182D7@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1580s open robes and closed robes or ropas Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:14:34 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 436a8da9-e89c-4774-9a3b-f8c618a8ea5b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 463611C1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 29, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > Dear Melanie, > No thot those, what i ment was this: > http://www.kimiko1.com/research-16th/FrenchHood/1560/ > MildredCooke1562.html > To me it looks really like embroidery, you can even se that there > is used deeper shades of silk in the center of the flowers, like > thread painting. > Its the yellow flowers in the centers of blackwork embroidery on > her sleaves and on her "chemise" > Oh! Different portrait entirely. Hmmm--I have to say I can't really tell on these. Given their location, I'd say it's more likely they're embroidered rather than attached metal items, yes, but what sort of embroidery, I can't see well enough to have an informed opinion. Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 12:11:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UGBlKh021268 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:11:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UGBXh1008912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:11:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UG9lQo033106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UG9fWr018090; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UG9c6X017964 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 10:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=o8nQvsIOyZ/EkSWuukNnA/tXFbZV0acA8sSVVikmqAhYbBLhatzDmf/yXshA0H99; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [67.100.45.145] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HiYRR-00089F-4m for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:09:33 -0400 Message-ID: <007401c78b42$9a4abc40$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <043020071546.19292.46360F4B0001B10200004B5C2200735834969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 09:14:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd48914abc0bdfc9855ea7f19486f48ea33a3b5efdd33357ec02350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.100.45.145 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a11b0451-65c1-48a9-a9cf-ef6e56db3b9d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46361535.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Sorry for the late reply myself, but..... > > I'm doing some silk organza scarves (not historic, before anyone panics > [1]). The fabric is 60" wide, so the hand rolled hem is very long - and I > hate hand-sewing with a red passion, so I'm always trying to figure out > how to make it easier and faster. And I hit on something this weekend. As > long as the finished part is longer than my forearm, I can pin the edge > under my right elbow (I'm right-handed) on a table, and hold the > unfinished part of the hem in my left hand, rolling the hem toward me with > the left hand's fingers. This keeps the hem taut, while rolling at the > same time. I can then use my right hand to stitch what the left hand is > preparing. Make sure that the table-chair setup puts your elbow no lower > than normal height, or you'll be bending your back, which is Not Good. > This goes fast! (snip) Melanie / Lijsbet This is pretty much how a sewing clamp/bird works. It makes pretty much all hand sewing Much faster. I have two reproduction sewing birds. One stays clamped next to my sewing machine for handwork in the sewing room, the other travels with me, since I found out I can clamp it to the edge of my travel sewing box. I do about 1/3 of my sewing by hand, so this has really speeded things up for m. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 14:33:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIXrEC024647 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:33:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UIXdUK015116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:33:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UIX2Ya053561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:33:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIWvQR053038; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UIWsrs052899 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 26339 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 18:32:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.162.247 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 18:32:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8QZmrEcVM1l6Sr_AFy8_th04ADGHajtHreXrmmbr23NfLzMPxMSCyfegaetESE5YQTIXApI0HSHoeM2ydreZrd5yXjA- Message-ID: <009801c78b55$e9ea0ea0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001f01c78b25$6f6354a0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> <000601c78b32$1357df20$c214a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:32:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a2b542e-3d7c-4eac-b54a-6ed272897531 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46363683.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Is there such a place? Wow, so would I!! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution > Yes > :-) > I love this book, and i think the author made a terrific job. > > Also a danish princess who was going to make peace between Sweden and > Denmark had a very expensive trouseau. Her things were send by more than > 50 carriages of clothing, furniture and other things, she could not live > without, including her weddingdress. The new about this weddingdress was > that it actually was not made in Paris as thoaght, but was made by a > danish taylor. They recently found the bill. > One of my theories about how bad it went, is that if she had not excluded > all the important nobility families from her own petite court at Trianon, > it would not have went as badly as it did. She had build up an image, > being the queen of fashion, also adored and looked up to by all the > nobility families, when she turned her back to them, they started to hate > her. That was a big mistake.......... > And it is true that she tryed to be a good girl and not spend so much > money on fashion, but she forgot all her duties as a queen, abandoned the > whole machinery, with no thoaghts about how dangerous this was. > > I would have given my right arm, to see the shop in Paris with Rose > Bertins dresses.............................. > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" > To: "H-Costume" > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:45 PM > Subject: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution > > >>I have been reading "What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution" and >>have been captivated by the author's thesis re the effects of >>'fashion/anti fashion' had in many aspects of 18th Century France. "Buy >>French" is an early theme and her arrival as the Dauphine-ellect plays out >>much as featured in the most recent film...except, it seems that the truth >>of the matter is that Mother Maria Teresa sent her to France complete with >>an up to date trouseau of the latest French fashions that were confiscated >>by the new court. >> >> We remember that MA was criticized for her wonton extravigant use of the >> treasury for her own adornment. Most of her gowns could only be worn >> once or twice by court tradition and edicts. The silk trade dominated >> the core of the rag trade. When she changed the styles to a more >> countrified look, she was blamed again for causing a depression in the >> fashion related trades. She really rocks the boat when she begins to have >> her wardrobe repaired and re-embellished instead of buying new! >> >> Lots of descriptions of clothing and hairstyles and details of her >> connections with Bertin and the royal hairdresser. Illustrations are few >> but taken from portraiture and cartoons; the written word carries the >> day. >> >> I am fascinated with this new conception of a "Petticoat Rebellion" >> >> Anyone on the list who might have cracked this book? >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 14:36:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIaUWm024715 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:36:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UIaGss016859 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:36:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UIYxZK053926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIYwPp054945; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:34:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UIYt43054792 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 202 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 18:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.162.247 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 18:34:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: ztkhU_wVM1m.Ux1nFxAGpQNXjhE2wH_G_N74sW3Ec6NxrI2v8.mOf4bdKSMRQ4uamBI4Sib.npxR_5NHdtbXg.AQI88- Message-ID: <009f01c78b56$35216da0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704301112188.SM04844@mxgw1.washjeff.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:34:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: caf5bbb4-34b6-45b2-a4c0-5af67843ebcc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46363720.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ah, this is a 'Josephine" I had not yet come across; must add it to my summer reading list. Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] What Q. Marie A. wore to the Revolution > I've not read this one, but just finished reading "The Rose of Martinique" > http://tinyurl.com/2ppcjp, a biography of Josephine Bonaparte. There are > some interesting anecdotal notes about fashion through the revolution into > the directorial period, empire etc. I was not aware until I had read this > that Josephine lived through and survived the revolution (she was in jail > for almost for months). It talks about M.A. and Josephine's impact on > fashion and some of the "buy French" in that time. Apparently Napoleon > would > have little fits if he knew J. and her daughter were wearing muslin. He > would tear their dresses while on them! > > What a creep! > > Sg > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 14:43:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIhJq5024894 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:43:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UIh5dL011908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:43:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UIfXwX054606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:41:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIfWmV060888; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:41:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.141]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UIfTIP060796 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 11359 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 18:41:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.162.247 with login) by smtp103.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 18:41:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: JbZt9PEVM1lBIM8XqyhSZy_oLLcpqppN6ALcL3WJMu2jDCdPggh0IN96v5Wgl3pWX9AV5D1_0a4pLBCeEKyFKHaEOq.x5ycEH87aKLmrySUU3HGK3R1Z Message-ID: <00a801c78b57$2055ad90$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <043020071546.19292.46360F4B0001B10200004B5C2200735834969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:41:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a44050b8-3c85-48ce-b024-8563891c6277 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 463638B9.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I use a nice hard square pillow; have used the pin method, but also picked up a modern (and cheap) Third hand gadget that I pin to one corner and have lots of room to manipulate the piece at hand. This winter, I found a repro sewing bird that attaches to a table edge (ie. a wooden tray stand) and do such jobs in style. One handsewing tool I would not be without! kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems > Sorry for the late reply myself, but..... > > I'm doing some silk organza scarves (not historic, before anyone panics > [1]). The fabric is 60" wide, so the hand rolled hem is very long - and I > hate hand-sewing with a red passion, so I'm always trying to figure out > how to make it easier and faster. And I hit on something this weekend. As > long as the finished part is longer than my forearm, I can pin the edge > under my right elbow (I'm right-handed) on a table, and hold the > unfinished part of the hem in my left hand, rolling the hem toward me with > the left hand's fingers. This keeps the hem taut, while rolling at the > same time. I can then use my right hand to stitch what the left hand is > preparing. Make sure that the table-chair setup puts your elbow no lower > than normal height, or you'll be bending your back, which is Not Good. > This goes fast! > > Hand-sewing really is the best a lot of the time. I was applying a beaded > ribbon trim to a belt recently, and tried to do it three times with the > machine, before I gave up. And there's no other way to finish the interior > seams of a GFD. The hand-sewing is just the only way for a lot of things > like this. (I call it my Laurel's Object Lesson.) > > BTW - don't know if anyone mentioned it, but using silk thread on a silk > organza really works best, and you don't have problems with the thread > sawing through delicate organza fibers. The only problem I've found is > that the available colors of silk thread are somewhat limited. > > Melanie / Lijsbet > > [1] I was working on Harry Potter costumes at an SCA business meeting > once. People were worried! ;-) > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Catherine Kinsey" >> >I sent a file with illustrations to the original poster >> >privately, since this list doesn't take attachments. >> >It also helps to use a >sewing clamp as a third >> >hand to keep the fabric taut. >> > >> >Melusine >> > >> >> May I also request a copy? >> >> This thread came up at a very good time for me, I already have the >> cursing part down :). >> >> Thanks, >> Catherine >> ckinsey@kumc.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 14:44:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIi83M024918 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:44:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UIhsX1019149 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:43:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UIgqUE054772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:42:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIgpe8062052; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.139]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UIglB8061950 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:42:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 42851 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 18:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@71.182.162.247 with login) by smtp101.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 18:42:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8KSwHMEVM1lyCjDqiaadscTYIv1NFpQ3LVTx3lMntcV7jNjn4ejovtqBF4Sw.ESy4Q71Ezy8M_MyidDa_4b.fjfwrXhwhyAtKGA2wPc2zDNRWKVLGbIu Message-ID: <00af01c78b57$4e11bf30$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <043020071546.19292.46360F4B0001B10200004B5C2200735834969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> <007401c78b42$9a4abc40$0200a8c0@boris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:42:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d618371e-793d-4c8a-abce-813cd2712080 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 463638EA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO How right you are! Kathleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems >> Sorry for the late reply myself, but..... >> >> I'm doing some silk organza scarves (not historic, before anyone panics >> [1]). The fabric is 60" wide, so the hand rolled hem is very long - and I >> hate hand-sewing with a red passion, so I'm always trying to figure out >> how to make it easier and faster. And I hit on something this weekend. As >> long as the finished part is longer than my forearm, I can pin the edge >> under my right elbow (I'm right-handed) on a table, and hold the >> unfinished part of the hem in my left hand, rolling the hem toward me >> with the left hand's fingers. This keeps the hem taut, while rolling at >> the same time. I can then use my right hand to stitch what the left hand >> is preparing. Make sure that the table-chair setup puts your elbow no >> lower than normal height, or you'll be bending your back, which is Not >> Good. This goes fast! > (snip) > Melanie / Lijsbet > > This is pretty much how a sewing clamp/bird works. It makes pretty much > all hand sewing Much faster. I have two reproduction sewing birds. One > stays clamped next to my sewing machine for handwork in the sewing room, > the other travels with me, since I found out I can clamp it to the edge of > my travel sewing box. I do about 1/3 of my sewing by hand, so this has > really speeded things up for m. > > Melusine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 14:44:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIiCSs024924 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:44:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UIhw7w025748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:44:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UIcQal054251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIcOdO058060; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kumc-gwia.kumc.edu (kumc-gwia.kumc.edu [169.147.4.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UIc1mj057648 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:38:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([::ffff:10.120.1.73]) by kumc-gwia.kumc.edu with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:37:43 -0500 Received: from kumc-smtpout (mithril@localhost) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu with ESMTP id l3UIbht88240 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:37:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Ckinsey@kumc.edu) Received: from kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu (kumc-smtpout [10.120.1.11]) by kumc-mpg3.kumc.edu ([10.120.1.74]); 30 Apr 2007 13:37:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from KUMC-SMTPOUT-DOMAIN-MTA by kumc-smtpout.kumc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:37:42 -0500 References: <200704301800.l3UI0DGN022144@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 From: "Catherine Kinsey" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:37:14 -0500 Message-ID: <4635F10A.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> In-Reply-To: <200704301800.l3UI0DGN022144@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: hand rolled hems X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 82e86a74-82da-4e77-8aea-cb2761bb922c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 463638EE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > how to make it easier and faster. And I hit on something this weekend. As > long as the finished part is longer than my forearm, I can pin the edge > under my right elbow (I'm right-handed) on a table, and hold the > unfinished part of the hem in my left hand, rolling the hem toward me with > the left hand's fingers. This keeps the hem taut, while rolling at the > same time. I can then use my right hand to stitch what the left hand is > preparing. Make sure that the table-chair setup puts your elbow no lower > than normal height, or you'll be bending your back, which is Not Good. > This goes fast! (snip) Melanie / Lijsbet This is pretty much how a sewing clamp/bird works. It makes pretty much all hand sewing Much faster. I have two reproduction sewing birds. One stays clamped next to my sewing machine for handwork in the sewing room, the other travels with me, since I found out I can clamp it to the edge of my travel sewing box. I do about 1/3 of my sewing by hand, so this has really speeded things up for m. Melusine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. I've seen those, and also wondered about the heavy/stiff pillows it looks like stitchers are using in some of the 17/18C paintings. A couple of examples: http://www.arthistory.cc/auth/velazquez/index.htm scroll down to 'The Needlewoman' "Interior with a Mother" by Willem van Mieris and "The Letter Writer Surprised" by Gabriel Metsu (both are on the http://www.wga.hu site ). Seems to be a very similar style of tall basket also used at this time for mending and/or sewing supplies. One of those pillows might work pretty well for me, it would be adjustable. When I try and pin what I am working on to the chair that is, naturally, the time the cat wants a lap :). Catherine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:02:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJ2NYl025527 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:02:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJ29LU001784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:02:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJ1PPJ057831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:01:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJ1NJt078577; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJ1IGA078428 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:01:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070430190112.JQXU6194.fep33.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:01:12 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.218]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070430190112.WFTH1161.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:01:12 +0200 Message-ID: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:01:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.218] at Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:01:08 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] i cant deside......... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46363D31.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress i am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. On the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at all like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the gold trim two much? What do you think? http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:12:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJC0Yt025764 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:12:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJBgdY030912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:11:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJ9qA4059085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJ9om6086602; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJ9jQb086448 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:09:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAALvaNUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQJgEBAQEHCAYHBh0 Received: from [80.43.74.130] (port=3269 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HibFi-000JPF-Ac for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:09:38 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070430200802.036f06c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:09:36 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... 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Is the gold trim two much? >What do you think? > >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm > >Bjarne My thoughts are that left hand one, with the tiny trim, is more "authentic" looking, as many of the decorative trims are as precise as that one. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:23:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJNH2r026091 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:23:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJN3cL023410 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:23:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJKDiE060697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:20:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJKBoV095904; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:20:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJK6fs095755 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070430192001.PCWO6578.fep34.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:20:01 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.218]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070430192001.WIBV1148.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:20:01 +0200 Message-ID: <002301c78b5c$9cc448f0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20070430200802.036f06c0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I really apreciates your thoaghts, many thanks. Its just because i dont think my boxpleating is looking the way i want it to look. The look i want is this: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie1.htm And maybe i should not stitch down the pleats flat in each side, but let some of the pleats float more....... its ever so difficult. And maybe also dont make the pleating finnished, but let it be build up bits by bits on the dress itself How would you do the job? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... > At 20:01 30/04/2007, you wrote: >>If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. >>I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress i >>am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! >>On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. >>On the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. >>I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at all >>like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the >>gold trim two much? >>What do you think? >> >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm >> >>Bjarne > > > My thoughts are that left hand one, with the tiny trim, is more > "authentic" looking, as many of the decorative trims are as precise as > that one. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:29:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJTUwQ026310 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:29:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJTGCx020238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:29:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJSljR062029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:28:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJSjGJ003541; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:28:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from navgw2.mccc.edu (navgw2.mccc.edu [198.133.170.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UJSeeL003339 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pinner@mccc.edu) Received: from tecoma.mccc.edu ([198.133.170.1]) by navgw2.mccc.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.0.19) with SMTP id M2007043015283410008 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:28:34 -0400 Received: from TH103A ([198.133.170.246]) by tecoma.mccc.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l3UJSRgR023503 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:28:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kate Pinner" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] i cant deside......... Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:28:21 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dc9c95c1-ddd9-4c39-85db-edf5b173e958 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4636438C.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I like the ruching but agree the smaller gold trim is better. Why not put the small trim with the ruching? Kate 609-570-3584 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:20 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... I really apreciates your thoaghts, many thanks. Its just because i dont think my boxpleating is looking the way i want it to look. The look i want is this: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie1.htm And maybe i should not stitch down the pleats flat in each side, but let some of the pleats float more....... its ever so difficult. And maybe also dont make the pleating finnished, but let it be build up bits by bits on the dress itself How would you do the job? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzi Clarke" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... > At 20:01 30/04/2007, you wrote: >>If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. >>I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress i >>am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! >>On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. >>On the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. >>I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at all >>like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the >>gold trim two much? >>What do you think? >> >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm >> >>Bjarne > > > My thoughts are that left hand one, with the tiny trim, is more > "authentic" looking, as many of the decorative trims are as precise as > that one. > > Suzi > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:38:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJcBIm026614 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:38:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJbvhJ009854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:38:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJbASe063480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:37:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJb7I2011623; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from jefferson.patriot.net (jefferson.patriot.net [209.249.176.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJb3Bq011545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:37:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from aquazoo@patriot.net) Received: from webmail.patriot.net (vanburen.patriot.net [209.249.176.8]) by jefferson.patriot.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l3UJatZF032564 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:36:58 -0400 Received: from 72.13.239.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aquazoo) by webmail.patriot.net with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49785.72.13.239.193.1177963092.squirrel@webmail.patriot.net> In-Reply-To: <002301c78b5c$9cc448f0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> <7.0.1.0.2.20070430200802.036f06c0@suziclarke.co.uk> <002301c78b5c$9cc448f0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... From: aquazoo@patriot.net To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cd5c086e-f4e3-4572-acab-9e17450cf174 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46364595.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you want to do it gathered, then I would not use the wide gold trim. It weighs down the look of it. Also do you have sources for the ruching going down the front center vertically? Often the emphasis is on the width of the bust, so the horizontal ruching works, but the vertical takes away from that. Some people use it as a cheat in case the front opening gaps, but I know you can fit well enough for that not to happen. I think there is that treatment on a jacket, but I don't recall seeing it on a formal gown. You already have the ruching on the sides, which looks good. -Carol > I really apreciates your thoaghts, many thanks. > Its just because i dont think my boxpleating is looking the way i want it > to look. > The look i want is this: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie1.htm > And maybe i should not stitch down the pleats flat in each side, but let > some of the pleats float more....... its ever so difficult. > And maybe also dont make the pleating finnished, but let it be build up > bits by bits on the dress itself > How would you do the job? > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... > > >> At 20:01 30/04/2007, you wrote: >>>If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. >>>I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress >>> i >>>am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! >>>On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. >>>On the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold >>> trim. >>>I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at >>> all >>>like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the >>>gold trim two much? >>>What do you think? >>> >>>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm >>> >>>Bjarne >> >> >> My thoughts are that left hand one, with the tiny trim, is more >> "authentic" looking, as many of the decorative trims are as precise as >> that one. >> >> Suzi >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:39:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJdDIE026646 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:39:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJcxIm026874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:39:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJcPGH063740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJcOSU013017; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:38:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1b.socket.net [216.106.88.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJcJEm012927 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:38:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CE4439A64 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:38:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] i cant deside......... Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:38:20 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b62eec85-ddb2-48f8-a546-ecb5022778d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 463645D3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I can see your dilemma. The one on the left is conservative and a simplistic formal. The one on the right is more of what one would see on a ball gown. Have you considered the box pleating with the wider gold trim? http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/eudr/hob_2001.472.htm I would say it depends on what mood(?)/attitude you want to achieve. De -----Original Message----- If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress i am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. On the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at all like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the gold trim two much? What do you think? http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:40:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJe49I026671 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:40:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJdoos015529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:39:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJdMgB063940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJdM82013955; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJdJan013898 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:39:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m41.in-tch.com [216.166.191.41]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l3UJOpB04484 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:24:51 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004701c78b60$87dbd1c0$29bfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:48:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d78deb3-8722-477b-b79e-051af7fac8e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46364606.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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How does your gold trim fit into the scale of how things were added to dresses then? --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: [h-cost] i cant deside......... > If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. > I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress i am > going to make. But desided i have not yeat! > On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. On > the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. > I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at all > like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the gold > trim two much? > What do you think? > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm > > Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:42:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJgllY026794 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:42:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJgXCm015373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:42:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJfxsu064240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:41:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJfq0l016042; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJfH0R015564 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:41:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23B9CD940 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:41:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46364688.10806@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:42:00 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... References: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68555412-8a57-4e8c-b9a9-f21a39879403 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 463646A9.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:57:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJvLtp027268 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:57:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJv7au030320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:57:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJu2of066293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJu1kV028902; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net (alnrmhc16.comcast.net [204.127.225.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJtwFG028767 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200704301955.l3UJtwFG028767@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id <20070430195552b1600hmlahe>; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:55:52 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:55:54 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:58:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJwsse027301 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:58:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJwe73021346 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:58:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJwCTk066699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:58:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJwBp3030896; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:58:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UJw8RO030765 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:58:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 95675 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2007 19:58:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SpZzIfM7mbhmkUBLzo8mKp0fh2olEJKNmIW1jthvWqgl4Za4/tL+ow+Jc27MJsZUrFYvxu6mevI5nGPMI5OXRVf0Doxis7ieWnMxCYY92FP0ETyEJebPmy1MZXHlbeTghsIZbxd+NYr6IqW2pM55Fu+1YdP9u4n9B691wrlhiSs=; X-YMail-OSG: 9Xe0tzoVM1nrdijLwp1MiUIdnKklc3QiWLQyeSz6TNhLVPDr.qbLxxrYEIVngK4WAJATSwFCpw-- Received: from [208.179.44.218] by web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:58:02 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <043020071546.19292.46360F4B0001B10200004B5C2200735834969B0A020A9D070A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <116262.95668.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4967e285-2011-44c6-b8cb-a7561aeba556 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46364A70.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If I were going to (god forbid) roll a hem, I'd get out the serger. Mine has instructions for a rolled hem in the user guide. MaggiRos --- eirenetz@comcast.net wrote: > Sorry for the late reply myself, but..... > > I'm doing some silk organza scarves (not historic, > before anyone panics [1]). The fabric is 60" wide, > so the hand rolled hem is very long - and I hate > hand-sewing with a red passion, so I'm always trying > to figure out how to make it easier and faster. And > I hit on something this weekend. As long as the > finished part is longer than my forearm, I can pin > the edge under my right elbow (I'm right-handed) on > a table, and hold the unfinished part of the hem in > my left hand, rolling the hem toward me with the > left hand's fingers. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 15:59:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJxOXm027310 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:59:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UJxApV014987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:59:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UJwM0I066725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJwMx4031081; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UJwJmh031040 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:58:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i4so113880wra for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qk5v2qMU7ymy9O/6OiquvfM24EFIOgKZ7mmQOls9UIdejW6F98YA0d1WTL+37k2SvP7XoLlRICRdOD4vYoX/E5IBRzGNSsf9cev3O7bR3jjTrmBmD1RjSDERJZUuz0BDjwBJ0cGPmo9s/nW3ZLUBFn62oMh2ri7nZLIJ1EljRrc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BRr2XD6GSZUkqUB9vbxyQZNROsFPI9v29FIeu4qcAT8f38YcNb4CpZ4W8nxrfkWChZYyIv7YAD7yQvQNr4m+fIvdBN9lQ/lEp10UGiteBSJLvmiPwD1vdGruzEhgUwVp3RBIlHWrRJjEcKDMBSqU7UV46YQRJTXATzv+rW1XLhM= Received: by 10.114.194.1 with SMTP id r1mr2119037waf.1177963097027; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.130.18 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:58:16 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a223864e-4314-414e-b17a-d45702acc2f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46364A8E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >The look i want is this: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie1.htm >And maybe i should not stitch down the pleats flat in each side, but let >some of the pleats float more....... its ever so difficult. >And maybe also dont make the pleating finnished, but let it be build up bits >by bits on the dress itself >How would you do the job? Wow, what a snappy gown! I love the exciting color! IT reminds me of the fire-engine red one in the V&A; the one with the heavy silver embroidery. Delicious! Your drawing says to me: ruching, not pleating. Pleating withthe gold braid is too hard & stiff a look. Perhaps fly fringe instead of the hard shine of the gold braid. Let me see if I can find some on line... http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/18cnel%20grand/gown_and_petticoat%20page%202.htm Click on the detail picture at the right for a better closeup. The bad news, is that you'll use miles (kilometeres!) of the fly fringe. Ah, what price beauty! --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 16:10:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UKARSK027612 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:10:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UKADuO003544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:10:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UK8bFa068594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UK8Zco040670; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UK8U8T040592 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:08:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070430200829.HTQD26416.fep30.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:08:29 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.218]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070430200829.WFJY1370.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:08:29 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c78b63$5f3d1410$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... > >The look i want is this: >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie1.htm >>And maybe i should not stitch down the pleats flat in each side, but let >>some of the pleats float more....... its ever so difficult. >>And maybe also dont make the pleating finnished, but let it be build up >>bits >>by bits on the dress itself >>How would you do the job? > > Wow, what a snappy gown! I love the exciting color! IT reminds me of > the fire-engine red one in the V&A; the one with the heavy silver > embroidery. Delicious! > Your drawing says to me: ruching, not pleating. Pleating withthe gold > braid is too hard & stiff a look. Perhaps fly fringe instead of the > hard shine of the gold braid. Let me see if I can find some on > line... > > http://www.18cnewenglandlife.org/18cnel%20grand/gown_and_petticoat%20page%202.htm > Click on the detail picture at the right for a better closeup. The > bad news, is that you'll use miles (kilometeres!) of the fly fringe. > Ah, what price beauty! > > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 16:29:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UKT5RR028290 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:29:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UKSpLu001287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:28:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UKSNVu071357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:28:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UKSJOA058509; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-84.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UKSF7Z058327 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:28:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F92DCD960 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:28:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4636518A.1030400@reddawn.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:28:58 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... References: <001601c78b63$5f3d1410$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001601c78b63$5f3d1410$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e65b2d0-4bbd-430a-8abd-dbe3e2ad495f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46365183.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 16:53:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UKrHfR029084 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:53:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UKr3MU004095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:53:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UKq5Tr074424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:52:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UKq2h2078442; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com (smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com [209.73.179.140]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UKpvA2078346 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rmitchell@washjeff.edu) Received: (qmail 89973 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 20:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IBMTHINKPAD) (rlksm1@verizon.net@72.95.151.142 with login) by smtp102.vzn.mail.dcn.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 20:51:52 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: upapT.QVM1kSJHeNWEHDgAaGVxZfME_yomqKbptssTL39Szd3b76uVL.DMXTt9y5HyDVkuOqIZqFp94Sf1khB6QfEGPr5oGp9WL.ro00oMIr8NlspzON Message-ID: <002801c78b69$5a06a3c0$2f01a8c0@IBMTHINKPAD> From: "LLOYD MITCHELL" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001601c78b63$5f3d1410$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> <4636518A.1030400@reddawn.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:51:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c44d74e-8f6d-4c5e-9b91-5e111f754458 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4636572F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have been using all sorts of these novelty yarns for 18th C trim...and I think to very good effect. This was after drooling over the stomachers in the Kyoto book. and other illustrations of fancy wear. Kathleen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> >> There is no way my costumer can afford me to buy fly fringe, do you know >> how much that costs? >> > > How about using eyelash or pigtail yarn as a substitute? There are a > number of fringed and textured novelty yarns similar to fly fringe, and > much cheaper. > > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 17:04:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UL4Hk7029476 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:04:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UL43xA001771 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:04:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UL3HB2075728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:03:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UL3DWt087351; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.254]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UL3Brp087214 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 41575 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2007 21:03:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=T6eSt/42Boun+btslgG+HzdK10GCwuCLM4qdKu/FGskoibcO/A/4dPsg3HOT1LKDGzgjG14tQeCbDEd/JXANvR7FpR/RB6rL1mwBAgb5ehsOSzDUvRESy6y0s7yc8c0B+mvfG6VHMJ7QJO3diFNKG9sZvrqj+dOgF96YnEPxtls=; X-YMail-OSG: QPHJH.EVM1noVMwxR5ese3xngSBY5s_enO8470UT Received: from [208.179.44.218] by web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:03:05 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:03:05 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4636518A.1030400@reddawn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <521519.40598.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31d74ff0-fdd5-4e2a-85be-2cd97bcf6ae9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 463659C3.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Cheap substitutes tend to look cheap. Anything that will be seen up close should look as good as it can be. In my opinion, of course. MaggiRos --- Dawn wrote: > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > > > > > There is no way my costumer can afford me to buy > fly fringe, do you know > > how much that costs? > > > > How about using eyelash or pigtail yarn as a > substitute? There are a > number of fringed and textured novelty yarns similar > to fly fringe, and > much cheaper. > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 17:11:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ULB6T7029715 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:11:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ULAqqU011193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:10:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3ULA3mK076686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:10:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ULA2Ne092901; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:10:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UL9vUR092754 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter16.comcast.net ([204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070430210952m1400imp4ee>; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:09:52 +0000 Received: from [128.95.223.233] by rmailcenter16.comcast.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:09:50 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:09:50 +0000 Message-Id: <043020072109.19385.46365B1E000C8DD000004BB922058864420809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e05968ec-051a-4832-a01a-ec147550a09d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46365B5C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Your ideas on the pleating I think might match better the look you are going for...give it a try! I LOVE to see your work! Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > I really apreciates your thoaghts, many thanks. > Its just because i dont think my boxpleating is looking the way i want it to > look. > The look i want is this: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie1.htm > And maybe i should not stitch down the pleats flat in each side, but let > some of the pleats float more....... its ever so difficult. > And maybe also dont make the pleating finnished, but let it be build up bits > by bits on the dress itself > How would you do the job? > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzi Clarke" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... > > > > At 20:01 30/04/2007, you wrote: > >>If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. > >>I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress i > >>am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! > >>On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. > >>On the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. > >>I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at all > >>like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the > >>gold trim two much? > >>What do you think? > >> > >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm > >> > >>Bjarne > > > > > > My thoughts are that left hand one, with the tiny trim, is more > > "authentic" looking, as many of the decorative trims are as precise as > > that one. > > > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 17:14:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ULE0wM030127 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:14:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ULDkeV011089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:13:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UL8OTS076478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:08:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UL8N7F091371; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:08:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UL8KEo091268 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:08:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter06.comcast.net ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070430210815m1400iru2te>; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:08:15 +0000 Received: from [128.95.223.233] by rmailcenter06.comcast.net; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:08:14 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:08:14 +0000 Message-Id: <043020072108.10862.46365ABE000B085100002A6E22007348300809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 10742843-8ac8-4d90-931b-64f091bee5be X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46365C0A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think the pleated side is prettier, but also think the trim on it is too small. The rusched side looks good too, but the trim is too big. Maybe switch trims? The bigger one on the pleated side and the smaller trim on the rusched side? I don't know if that'd be period, because I've not studied the period.. Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. > I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress i am > going to make. But desided i have not yeat! > On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. On > the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. > I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at all > like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the gold > trim two much? > What do you think? > > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 17:40:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ULeXdM031410 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:40:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3ULeJj1025287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:40:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3ULdjNW080516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:39:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ULdhNV018069; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:39:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3ULddPZ017936 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep44.mail.dk ([195.41.46.227]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070430213934.NLMR6194.fep33.mail.dk@fep44.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:39:34 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.218]) by fep44.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070430213934.WKDT1161.fep44.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:39:34 +0200 Message-ID: <001101c78b70$1a2b6cc0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:39:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep44.mail.dk from [80.161.67.218] at Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:39:30 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] i cant deside X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6050f46f-6801-4e4c-a4de-230686da8636 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46366244.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Now i have desided :-) Costume in Detail page 136 gives a very close look for a pleating. I think it looked wrong on my sampler because i should not stitch down the pleats in the sides. The dress on page 136 has box pleats, wich are spaced with as much plain ground as pleating. I tryed to make my pleats like that, and also found out, when i looked close to the picture, that the pleats are not sewn down in the edges, but they are stitched about 1 cm each side of the centerline. It makes the world as a difference because now my pleats comes to life and are raised in the edges..................... Thankyou soo much to everybody for your help and suggestions. Oh and ill use the small gold trim, not the big one, it also looks two much like plastic to me.................. Now i am really going to be buisy, the dress must be finished by 11th of june.............. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 18:01:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UM1Tlu032144 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:01:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UM1EOv016946 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:01:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UM0Ac0083610 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:00:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UM02a9034797; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:00:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3ULxUkS034232 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:59:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDDN3WKAXKSPES for (sender ); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:58:33 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgtk8JWGoHcCIwaSpLjm0gk0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MLLW36W9; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:58:24 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:46:03 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems Message-ID: <20070430.145813.3168.3.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,5-65 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 25:12:3320771858 X-MAIL-INFO: 5b01d960d9a1f50da1f54d09f54db441d4217d4430382174c4cd302574ad79557471c13901c00114d54d80f50109 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1328d824-23f5-419d-8ebb-e69b696f28e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4636672A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sewing birds? Anyone have a pic they would like to share? :-) Arlys On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:42:27 -0400 "LLOYD MITCHELL" writes: > How right you are! > > Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carmen Beaudry" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:14 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems > > > >> Sorry for the late reply myself, but..... > >> > >> I'm doing some silk organza scarves (not historic, before anyone > panics > >> [1]). The fabric is 60" wide, so the hand rolled hem is very long > - and I > >> hate hand-sewing with a red passion, so I'm always trying to > figure out > >> how to make it easier and faster. And I hit on something this > weekend. As > >> long as the finished part is longer than my forearm, I can pin > the edge > >> under my right elbow (I'm right-handed) on a table, and hold the > >> unfinished part of the hem in my left hand, rolling the hem > toward me > >> with the left hand's fingers. This keeps the hem taut, while > rolling at > >> the same time. I can then use my right hand to stitch what the > left hand > >> is preparing. Make sure that the table-chair setup puts your > elbow no > >> lower than normal height, or you'll be bending your back, which > is Not > >> Good. This goes fast! > > (snip) > > Melanie / Lijsbet > > > > This is pretty much how a sewing clamp/bird works. It makes > pretty much > > all hand sewing Much faster. I have two reproduction sewing > birds. One > > stays clamped next to my sewing machine for handwork in the sewing > room, > > the other travels with me, since I found out I can clamp it to the > edge of > > my travel sewing box. I do about 1/3 of my sewing by hand, so > this has > > really speeded things up for m. > > > > Melusine > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 18:06:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UM6kku032334 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:06:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UM6W66003641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:06:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UM5UJc084307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UM5RUf039339; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:05:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UM5M1j039175 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:05:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1584.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.120.51]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C8234216A for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:05:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4636681D.3070703@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 00:05:17 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... 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Deredere Dawn wrote: > Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > >> I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at >> all like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. >> Is the gold trim two much? > > I think if you sewed the box pleated trim up the center instead of at > the edges you would get much more interest with it. > > > Dawn > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 18:15:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMFV1O032623 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:15:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UMFHE0021377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:15:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UMEZL4085465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:14:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMEUoL046200; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:14:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.38]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMEPna046061 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:14:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAACgHNkbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACQKAEBAQEHDgcGHQ Received: from [80.43.74.130] (port=3517 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hie8R-000P64-Bz for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:14:19 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070430231131.0373bac8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:14:07 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems In-Reply-To: <20070430.145813.3168.3.Cley@juno.com> References: <20070430.145813.3168.3.Cley@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=34% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68bf78f5-7f12-404a-90b4-7acc6240c0e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46366A75.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 22:46 30/04/2007, you wrote: >Sewing birds? Anyone have a pic they would like to share? :-) There is one on E-Bay http://cgi.ebay.com/SEWING-BIRD-1853-Replica-Pin-Cushion-Gold-Plated-Brass_W0QQitemZ320107288625QQihZ011QQcategoryZ114QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Mine is identical, but came from a U.S. catalogue of pretty things, ages ago, so I don't remember the name of it - sorry. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 18:25:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMPKQB000482 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:25:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UMP5XB007618 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:25:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UMO2QQ086591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:24:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMO0Xe053049; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:24:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3k.socket.net [216.106.88.98]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMNvg9053000 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:23:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 088E23F071 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:23:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] i cant deside......... 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De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 18:56:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMu7iS001570 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:56:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UMtrV7002100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:55:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UMsf9j091230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMsdMq076398; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:54:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMsZLc076257 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:54:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.05.02.00 201-2174-114-20060621) with ESMTP id <20070430225431.BKAK10480.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:54:31 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.140]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id tauV1W00W32JwDy0000000; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:54:29 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200704251800.l3PI0ElU059510@net.indra.com> <4635A92D.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Subject: RE: [h-cost] hand rolled hems Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c78b7a$82413150$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <4635A92D.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Thread-Index: AceLK/aSawHlkEAiTj6vN7QhVTOxkwATn1Yg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=52% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0965f41-0d53-479e-a969-d8a1fdc2bb1b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 463673F9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO May I also get a copy, please? Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Kinsey Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:31 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] hand rolled hems >I sent a file with illustrations to the original poster >privately, since this list doesn't take attachments. >It also helps to use a >sewing clamp as a third >hand to keep the fabric taut. > >Melusine > May I also request a copy? This thread came up at a very good time for me, I already have the cursing part down :). 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Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 18:57:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMvbsZ001624 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:57:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UMvNZQ023393 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:57:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UMu2Yj091385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:56:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UMu1mW077515; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:56:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp2.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l3UMtvGu077477 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:55:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200704302255.l3UMtvGu077477@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 3428 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2007 15:55:57 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 2717, pid: 3378, t: 4.6699s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:43/d:3123 spam: 3.0.3 Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp2 with SMTP; 30 Apr 2007 15:55:52 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:52:45 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 12:01 PM 4/30/2007, you wrote: >If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. >I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise >dress i am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! >On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the >edge. On the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a >bigger gold trim. >I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not >at all like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the >silk. Is the gold trim two much? >What do you think? > >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm > >Bjarne > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ I like the ruched trim. And the gold trim is a very nice addition. Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 19:05:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UN5nWs001914 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:05:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3UN5ZtW012593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:05:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l3UN4SPi092295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:04:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UN4Q6K082948; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:04:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cluster1.echolabs.net (smtp-out.echolabs.net [216.52.118.200]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l3UN4Mxf082830 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:04:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from basyefelton@floodcity.net) X-Scanned-On: fe2 Received: from [64.186.89.49] (account basyefelton@floodcity.net) by bl-108.cluster1.echolabs.net (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0.13) with HTTP id 37622 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:04:17 -0400 From: "Kirsten Felton" To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0.13 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:04:17 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200704301938.l3UJcOhl013019@net.indra.com> References: <200704301938.l3UJcOhl013019@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 rep=1% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] photo of sewing bird X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31e07f18-027d-4f65-a650-d80995a8f212 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4636763F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO http://www.lacis.com/catalog/data/n_sewingbird.html More info at: http://www.monmouthmuseum.org/sewingbird.html Pretty http://www.victoriantradingco.com/store/catalogimages/9i/i1916.html an antique: http://www.patented-antiques.com/Backpages/All_Archives/SEW_ARCHIVE/Sewrelated-archive.htm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 20:18:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410IBjb004401 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:18:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l410Hu29013036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:18:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l410GuLO099019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:16:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410Gq14023727; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:16:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410GnCg023656 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:16:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c2e.14811c8d (42805) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:16:36 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:16:34 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 4/30/2007 5:08:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net writes: Maybe switch trims? The bigger one on the pleated side and the smaller trim on the rusched side? ************************ This is what I was thinking. But I like the small trim best. The big trim looks costume-y to me, but on the edge, and THEN box pleated it might really bring out the pleat. Also with rusching...there are decorative ways if putting in the drawing threads. I've seen it like an inch or so from a pinked edge with 3 or 4 parallel rows of threads in a zig-zag pattern... like 6 stitches to the left....6 to the right...left...right... Of course these were all drawn up by hand. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 20:19:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410JReG004436 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:19:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l410JDcC015851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:19:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l410INEx099143 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:18:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410IMYt024431; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:18:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410IIO1024369 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:18:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nANkdRqeQ709wZ9WvD5TcxnU15gFr9F6BoGcDgQyysSa/WDVEzNNymqeQb5pAFOJ; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.167.49.148] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Hig4K-0006Sz-J0 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:18:12 -0400 Message-ID: <00cf01c78b86$e065b970$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704301800.l3UI0DGN022144@net.indra.com> <4635F10A.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: hand rolled hems Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:23:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4819a5d4455cfbcad98d523467759a9963540b0f8a6f3b58b0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.49.148 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1bed9094-a77e-43d2-b768-12de106e6469 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46368781.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO (snip about sewing birds and other clamp-type things) > I've seen those, and also wondered about the heavy/stiff pillows it > looks like stitchers are using in some of the 17/18C paintings. A > couple of examples: > http://www.arthistory.cc/auth/velazquez/index.htm scroll down to 'The > Needlewoman' > > "Interior with a Mother" by Willem van Mieris and "The Letter Writer > Surprised" by Gabriel Metsu (both are on the http://www.wga.hu site ). > > > Seems to be a very similar style of tall basket also used at this time > for mending and/or sewing supplies. > > One of those pillows might work pretty well for me, it would be > adjustable. When I try and pin what I am working on to the chair that > is, naturally, the time the cat wants a lap :). > > Catherine I've only had my clamps for about a year; before that, I used to pin my work to a chair arm, part of my clothing, etc. My greatgrandmother taught me to pin my work to the knee of my jeans when I was in high school, that worked pretty well. The advantage of a clamp or the pillows, is that you can get up for a cup of tea without your work being attached to you. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 20:30:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410U1K0004786 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:30:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l410Tlf6022649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:29:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l410OJkM099747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410OIFs027746; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410OFxW027656 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:24:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lfEpwoXemLakJOHJxVi3E0TGGQ/bosBh9StqfpL/w+T3kg9h5mnTela+HuFrxjGS; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [66.167.49.148] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HigA6-0006bE-4W for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:24:10 -0400 Message-ID: <012401c78b87$b55f8390$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070430.145813.3168.3.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolled hems Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:28:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4819a5d4455cfbcad9ef509922dcab471cbd9aa8b00e01cd47350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.167.49.148 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fccbad41-2195-423a-b825-325803884fee X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 463689FB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Anyone have a pic they would like to share? :-) > > Arlys Here's the one(s) I have.....2 different people gave them to me for Yule. http://www.lacis.com/catalog/search.php Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 21:37:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l411bBv6006780 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:37:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l411avUV006015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:37:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l411aQh8006916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:36:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l411aQw5066707; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:36:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4118Y7m052803 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id m7so2225947nzf for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:08:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GiToArd53Z0BcpjdYegk0fXqrTTQ2GrDnFwd82Efjak5jGm23oLWSM78ID7OaoUXAPrB6qNou3sQ+MxRs1t5MbptEKJW83jdGeSfEKeFbl9l51FdB4awRod3tqlsR53y4RCrqb1qI/u/LKlC1kLialxNIWl7dYXr9KhbMq7nKrs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qc7kH213CVTb3aESj1PNZboVt7x2bWagNcFzRhjxFSNa8wRH8VtKHy5wGMMqB6E/VvQrRRsQGA9p7GBw/8m7enD4iBOK3XliR+i/ma0QcONjZFC1KlCQFZFF+nKzWpE1Mh0OZ/PNJb47ZT/ympv7g3om4hnkCHmTcUtKomBOvZU= Received: by 10.114.126.1 with SMTP id y1mr2208334wac.1177981713982; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.131.18 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:08:33 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing today? 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Melusine Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 21:56:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l411ukwh007411 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:56:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l411uWph012820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:56:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l411Zqje006868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l411Zm9p066347; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l410c4gY035795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:38:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l3UNp9Ds007301 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:51:09 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] i cant deside......... Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:47:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> In-Reply-To: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704302047.11732.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d482a798-15a5-49a0-a6e6-329d9e0f67f7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46369E50.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The trim on the right is bolder, but doesn't have the kind of precise look I think of when I think of dresses of this era. So I vote for the left. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 22:10:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l412ACCm007880 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:10:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4129wA0022559 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:10:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l4129Yub009800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:09:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4129WgU083337; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:09:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from grelber.thyrsus.com (root@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4129TiY083303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:09:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (minx.thyrsus.com [192.168.1.21]) by grelber.thyrsus.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l411MYqt010895 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:22:34 -0400 From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing today? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:18:36 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <016801c78b93$2eb31490$0200a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <016801c78b93$2eb31490$0200a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704302218.36391.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b057893b-ae5e-49e9-a581-44a7c22c2a3d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4636A176.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Monday 30 April 2007 9:51 pm, Carmen Beaudry wrote: > Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing today? A plain white linen shift to go under some of my Viking garb. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 22:20:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l412KrF2008231 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:20:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l412KdlC007580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:20:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l412Jp17010981 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:19:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l412JoMA088770; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:19:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l412JkZR088701 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:19:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.4.60] Received: from [75.46.4.60] (adsl-75-46-4-60.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.4.60]) by flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l412JYEa008313 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 19:19:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <58D71D0D-323F-4CC0-9A10-FF55C44B54CB@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need fabric selection advice Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:19:28 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2cc07dac-903b-4913-89f5-f349cc2a4c7a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4636A3F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Apr 30, 2007, at 12:52 AM, TeaRoseS@aol.com wrote: > > Would silk twill have been used for any of these garments? Not likely. I don't know the history of this particular textile, but most modern silk twills are too limp to make good 16th-century gowns. You'd have to underline the heck out of it to get it to hold up properly, and it's probably not worth it. > I'm not > necessarily going for super-upper class with the loose gown, by the > way. I was > thinking of using some cotton velvet I already have for the loose > gown; would that > be warmer than the silk twill, or would it all depend on what I > lined it with? The velveteen would definitely be warmer than the silk, though of course it does depend somewhat on what you use for lining. A velveteen lined in just about anything would be warmer than the silk unless you lined or underlined the silk with a not-too-thin wool. Honestly, though, that sort of silk is just too thin and drapey for that purpose and will only cause you heartache if you try to use it for the outside. It might make a good lining for the velveteen, though! Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 22:40:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l412e20l008666 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:40:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l412dmuq029995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:39:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l412cTZo012763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:38:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l412cQ3S097996; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:38:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.136]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l412cNSH097963 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 20:38:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ailith@neo.rr.com) Received: from Duncan (cpe-65-185-79-207.neo.res.rr.com [65.185.79.207]) by ms-smtp-02.ohiordc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l412cLlN005660 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009301c78b99$c7e29180$0202a8c0@Duncan> From: "Ailith Mackintosh" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200704301800.l3UI0DGN022144@net.indra.com> <4635F10A.C9FB.00A6.0@kumc.edu> <00cf01c78b86$e065b970$0200a8c0@boris> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: hand rolled hems Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:37:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33a8ba4f-f59c-4cd6-8f79-456ecbf54426 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4636A874.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I used to pin my work to my jeans too, but stopped when I ruined a favorite pair of jeans - holes started appearing where I'd put the pins (over and over...it most certainly wasn't a one time thing). kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: hand rolled hems > (snip about sewing birds and other clamp-type things) > >> I've seen those, and also wondered about the heavy/stiff pillows it >> looks like stitchers are using in some of the 17/18C paintings. A >> couple of examples: >> http://www.arthistory.cc/auth/velazquez/index.htm scroll down to 'The >> Needlewoman' >> >> "Interior with a Mother" by Willem van Mieris and "The Letter Writer >> Surprised" by Gabriel Metsu (both are on the http://www.wga.hu site ). >> >> >> Seems to be a very similar style of tall basket also used at this time >> for mending and/or sewing supplies. >> >> One of those pillows might work pretty well for me, it would be >> adjustable. When I try and pin what I am working on to the chair that >> is, naturally, the time the cat wants a lap :). >> >> Catherine > > I've only had my clamps for about a year; before that, I used to pin my > work to a chair arm, part of my clothing, etc. My greatgrandmother taught > me to pin my work to the knee of my jeans when I was in high school, that > worked pretty well. The advantage of a clamp or the pillows, is that you > can get up for a cup of tea without your work being attached to you. > > Melusine > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Apr 30 23:37:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l413bX3S010590 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:37:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l413bJmP009470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:37:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l413acUS017750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:36:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l413aaQh027396; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:36:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l413aR47027239 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:36:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=h2SjCU40H/Uscxr+qckznBEzoAON/7Yu3Ve1EUkUibpytNHrOkUUU2J09AztAPGh; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.225] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HijA6-0004uw-I0; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:36:22 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070430222735.028299b0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:34:25 -0500 To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, SLCG-X@yahoogroups.com, F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53e760aeb5eac069b4648694e4262e6bffb6443073b542437c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.225 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] CC25 Photos X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4138eada-edf4-4edd-a822-5b06b5355330 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4636B5EF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 1 00:10:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414AmT2011915 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:10:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l414A7QU005130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 May 2007 00:10:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l4149X5d021152 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:09:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4149UaK043838; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:09:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4149Rg0043766 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:09:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.85.184]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20070501040922.JEYO16517.mta11.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:09:22 -0400 Message-ID: <8E8B55BDF9A144CD817D971D52D43B4A@Gilbert> From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <016801c78b93$2eb31490$0200a8c0@boris> <200704302218.36391.cathy@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: <200704302218.36391.cathy@thyrsus.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing today? Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 00:09:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16386 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16386 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=39% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0e6d9c45-06fd-438f-9781-bc4d87bfcda5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4636BD9F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 May 2007 00:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm so excited--I actually have a dressmaker's dummy so I can answer this question. Currently, it's wearing my soon-to-be-finished-I-hope apron-front Empire gown, as well as a Spencer I made from the same book, _Patterns of Fashion 1, Englishwomen's Dresses and Their Construction_, many years ago. Even though the bodice of the gown does not hang quite correctly, and the Spencer is now missing some of its fabric-covered buttons, the dummy looks fabulous. And, I now know that I will be able to finish the gown since I can actually see it rather than struggling to pin it on and pining for at least another pair of arms while attempting to see myself in the mirror (say that three times fast). Off to bed... Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 1 00:11:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414Bq7a011953 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:11:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l414Bc52022385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 May 2007 00:11:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l414AreC021277 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414Arj4044586; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:10:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414Ao47044526 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:10:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.29]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:10:45 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:10:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 May 2007 04:10:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.133.199.144] X-Originating-Email: [praxis_729@hotmail.com] X-Sender: praxis_729@hotmail.com From: "Paula Praxis" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:10:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2007 04:10:45.0012 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0C8A540:01C78BA6] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Subject: [h-cost] What's your dress dummy wearing? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ceca0a91-bfa8-447d-be03-c9958b24d8f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4636BDFA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 May 2007 00:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Monday 30 April 2007 9:51 pm, Carmen Beaudry wrote: >Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing today? This is the first time I've answered to this mailing list - hope it gets through. I have 3 thee dummies "Pricilla" is currently wearing the yellow ball gown from "Beauty & the Beast" "Penny" is wearing the gown for the "enchantress" and "Petula" is dreased as the 'Young Prince'. I don't have a male dummy either. Paula S. :-) _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John.  Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 1 00:12:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414Cowx011991 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:12:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l414CaZm022782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 May 2007 00:12:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l414Bs3s021463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:11:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414BrqE045181; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com (taisp2.in-tch.com [199.96.34.34]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414Bnqr045122 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:11:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mooncat@in-tch.com) Received: from pavilion (msla-r1a1m254.in-tch.com [216.166.191.254]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id l413vKB19694 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:57:20 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001301c78ba8$1ffa1c40$febfa6d8@pavilion> From: "Sue Clemenger" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing today? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:20:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f487bbee-b8c7-45f6-9a70-98d15ae21d8b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4636BE34.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 May 2007 00:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Nothing. Or everything. Okay...I don't *have* a dummy. I *am*, however, working on some early 13th century gowns for this summer though--a couple in linen, at least one in wool, and a gardecorps. --Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing today? > I just love starting this thread... such interesting answers. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 1 00:22:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414MJas012322 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:22:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l414M5uC013979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 May 2007 00:22:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l414LOQj022266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414LNBE049785; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:21:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.234]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414LLFY049759 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t11so1837332wxc for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:21:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=CiQIzDh2Vn2cH2e5UzaKCIbDgA9SC48as2kKpSeeZdPAKH3jBE5Wa9xKFtY5esbMcvqB0EFxYB7s25I08Ij+Rq/UrXowvWKw8K6fpbSyBB8MiwcUrxCqYTUnPJ+Gq2kIa7KPmj+0/qtsICEObfQGG1O5f4ZxccOjxIbs98Iw1Bc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=rb+nxKn37xqqAv2MHQNMbRiLlkoSXIH7wraM4L+l0P9vMfS4CMa7HXGI4+n1K+LLDP2+p/prB1vAjAGYJNI1NQ4oWGIaabaetzQrujC1AiqmGMtTTzNv6OkYR7k/xMI9KoG6c6g8gxxp8lZznCbFQ72B+WBW0AmTlMAt5aCeR00= Received: by 10.70.42.16 with SMTP id p16mr11853492wxp.1177993281330; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l43sm8949377wrl.2007.04.30.21.21.20; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <437501c78ba8$2cd96600$030ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing today? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:18:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b6c4795-53db-49ca-a651-139400816d5f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4636C06D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 May 2007 00:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A cardboard box for the new one, three tabards on the old one. :) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cin" To: "h-cost" Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing today? >I just love starting this thread... such interesting answers. > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue May 1 00:25:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414Punm012445 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 00:25:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l414PgPX026309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 1 May 2007 00:25:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l414PK9a022675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:25:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414PJTs051738; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:25:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l414PGN1051693 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:25:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id AF5B10B0442; Tue, 01 May 2007 04:17:31 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] i cant deside......... Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:25:11 -0700 Message-ID: <004501c78ba8$b5610730$0300a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001701c78b59$fc20d9b0$da43a150@CPQ21932199711> X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 242a2b3f-1390-4eb7-a260-5dba254c7011 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4636C146.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 01 May 2007 00:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I looked at your drawing and I think you should put small pleating , = with or without small gold trim, on the stomacher. Then use the ruching where = the trim is larger. So the smaller the trim, the more precise it is. The = largest trim would be ruched, maybe with a pinked edge for softness.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:02 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] i cant deside......... If you would give me your 2 cents, i would be very pleased. I spended this day desiding wich trim to use on the red francaise dress = i am going to make. But desided i have not yeat! On the left side i made box pleatings with a tiny gold trim in the edge. = On=20 the right side i have made the trim ruched and used a bigger gold trim. I think the left box pleated side is two boring, its flat, and not at = all=20 like i wanted it, the ruched one gives more shading to the silk. Is the = gold trim two much? What do you think? http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3-35.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume