From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 1 02:44:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l516i9ak014609 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:44:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l516i5CH018344 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 02:44:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l516eO6M013992 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:40:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l516eKjm019852; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l516eFX5019791 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 00:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1180680008-3663000d0000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[194.6.181.33] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1180680008 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [194.6.181.33]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 26CB710E77C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 08:40:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 45DAE0BC03EA3364 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 08:00:00 +0200 Message-ID: <005701c7a412$29a7fc30$dd00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200705311800.l4VI0F8o078237@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070531223230.051ea750@pop.radiks.net> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Re: applique attachment Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: applique attachment Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 01:00:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1361fabf-08bb-4e79-8cec-ee7e6e52a6df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 465FC035.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 02:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO One thing I've only made very limited trials with, but have great hopes for when it comes to aligning those pesky guards just right: a thin layer of plain old Elmer's school glue. You know, the sort that washes out of your clothing. As long as the fabric is soakable, it all seems to come out with no staining, and since it takes a while to dry you have time to reposition things. The bond is weak enough that if nothing else, you can just peel it off, add a touch more glue, and put it back in another place. You'd still have to sew the applique down, of course, but it's a nice cheap easy alternative. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 1 06:07:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l51A79pH018380 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 06:07:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l51A75IU001619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 06:07:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l51A6Gdg034740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 04:06:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l51A69dK025287; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 04:06:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l51A64Yr025252 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 04:06:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-241-224-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.244.241.224]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l51A62hh028147 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:06:03 +1000 Message-ID: <001901c7a434$7c190e60$e0f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200705281800.l4SI0DWk022086@net.indra.com><74A6826A-EED3-4CA7-973A-92C2443AE60C@cybermesa.com> <002e01c7a16d$50cb0ca0$370ea38e@peggyc65fc7eed> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Spain Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:06:11 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 921276af-490e-4120-a076-07ecec5bf960 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 465FEFC9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 06:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Actually, there is an email address listed there directly beneath 'A history of Jessamyn's Closet' Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Hogan" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 16th century Spain > Yes but there's no e-mail address and the site hasn't been updated for a > number of years. >> Have you tried this link? >> >> http://jessamynscloset.com/ >> >> It's the only one I have -- but the site hasn't been updated recently so >> I wonder if she's moved elsewhere? >> >> HTH, >> Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 1 15:03:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l51J3h8f019409 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:03:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l51J3d63025476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 15:03:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l51J33ZP026930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:03:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l51J2tn1053667; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:02:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l51J2oZ7053581 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:02:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep41.mail.dk ([195.41.46.142]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070601190245.FCHB901.fep32.mail.dk@fep41.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:02:45 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.63.231.50]) by fep41.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070601190245.SGIH1370.fep41.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:02:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c7a47f$7be3d880$32e73f50@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:03:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep41.mail.dk from [80.63.231.50] at Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:02:44 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=27% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] brim width for a mid 18th century hat X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff960fd7-0a7a-4a22-99b9-2381d697db49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46606D8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Could somebody here advise me with how wide i should make the brim of a mid 18th century hat? It is to go with the red taffetadress i make. I have a tendensy to make it two large i think, what do you think? Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 1 18:52:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l51MqwNL026718 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:52:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l51MqsFX010478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:52:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l51MqFEM058663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:52:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l51Mq8U9058004; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:52:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta10.adelphia.net (mta10.adelphia.net [68.168.78.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l51Mq5tW057866 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:52:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysayher@adelphia.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [76.100.217.211]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20070601225159.YPMI15873.mta10.adelphia.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:51:59 +0000 Message-ID: <4660A391.9000000@adelphia.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:54:09 -0400 From: Gail User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=47% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Reguarding Hand Applique/Fusing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 83e147d2-4c07-40c2-b6b1-bf2c080ae925 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4660A346.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I use stencil plastic. Out of the plastic, cut the shape you are using 1/4 inch smaller than the original. Set aside the plastic part for a moment. Now spray your (fabric) shape with spray starch. Lay the plastic shape back onto the fabric shape, centering it, and then iron all the sides up along the plastic. Once you have all the sides creased up, turn it over (making sure your seam allowances stay folded to the wrong side) and iron it again. Then, if wanted, I cut a piece of fusible web just smaller the the finished shape and fuse it down. That way the very edge of the shape doesn't have any fusible on it so your needle goes through easier, and the edge is glued down so you won't have to worry about it boinging up when you are hand sewing. Good Luck! Sincerely, Lady Margaret Sayher (SCA, Barony of Highland Foorde) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 1 23:09:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5239Xn8002526 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:09:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5239Td6028586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:09:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5238Kkm089958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5238DZO018120; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5238AOv018015 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 21:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48655 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2007 03:08:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=er9dMgJYg+mW/aqLO2ykgIjkd/lGwcXBUgXeMkJ8XiQlHVkkZ6+JZ6fuTieFllje0ZOZpGop7mteAEo9CL3LLK1TsqQxx2yOVdsbHCCSInad0hnqZcktyEfx3XquF9tM6eF5w/xpB0r0Zx049BtCrOmQUC+6UTvmzIRLqizM3Ns=; X-YMail-OSG: Sw747RcVM1lpg0N8eSkQgDlEgklRV81XE_SBr0iFHEFuYrHko8J_WpU4C7edKzIhTDEzOv.yyg-- Received: from [76.173.47.78] by web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:08:05 PDT Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001901c7a434$7c190e60$e0f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <78325.48211.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor lecture Sunday X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57141223-1bba-4aac-bb77-1185f545fd72 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4660DF69.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have the great good luck to be attending a lecture this Sunday evening at Fullerton College (So. Calif.)by the authors of The Tudor Tailor. I'd hate to have somebody say afterwards: "Oh, if only I'd known." So while there's no guarantee I'll get to ask a question, I thought I'd better ask y'all... Are there any questions anyone would like to me to ask, or answers you'd like me to listen for? Naturally, tho I can't guarantee that I'll be called on, I'll certainly be taking notes. Let me know. MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 2 01:53:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l525rf8X006995 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:53:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l525rbb2029077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 01:53:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l525qxCY005128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:52:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l525qtLk005755; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l525qpQB005730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:52:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.118] (209-148-118-118.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l525qnm9025449 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 22:52:50 -0700 Message-ID: <466105B4.6090408@lavoltapress.com> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:52:52 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hand dry cleaning in San Francisco X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a54366e0-dbf4-4dcf-9407-7fcb91b1a114 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 466105E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks for any info, Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 2 16:17:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l52KHYDO030531 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:17:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l52KHUZp008170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:17:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l52KGe2V008998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:16:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l52KGZ1M010567; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:16:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l52KGWMk010472 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from celticredhead2002@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63855 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2007 20:16:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=S07bxMCfykEPu163k1vv6Vm3/7Q3e6n6K4YH/noFOzA2Ow2DvFd1wnFpElI08TZc6EmNBPfTpvOaWJkyOzPcQzWmfLJA5D4URD7V2Xfu43hspJL+1deavLPZyiLorIWE1s/7VR0tDyTEAnTdQWa4vcUDCGJPgofFGfHyAaomUJ4=; X-YMail-OSG: lbqOZbUVM1lCyRUaJXiQzBFcBfqyoqPufkjfei.EccCsRTJUNQ6xWPJ2anGjdNy12GZi4LAlqK99yDV8K7j8Au6lIq9X6nttcH3FQd4T4ig7.lDufTweRNu_TjBe7Q-- Received: from [71.106.155.103] by web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 13:16:26 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Melody Watts Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery .....Some Books I found helpful on the subject To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <681049.57559.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b90438e-97f3-4b4b-9ea1-044627031f19 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4661D05A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO HI, There is a small publication from (of all places) Dover Press, the people who make all those small craft-y books. I bought one called " Charted Peasant Designs from Saxon Transylvania". The front part of the book has a 3 page introduction to the contents of the items included, as well as photograhs of actual pieces . There is also a bibliography and a map to show where the stiches and designs originated and travel to Transylvania and the time element. He talkes aboutt he earlier work of the 12 th century Saxon women "precision of stitch,alike on both sides of the linen in pattern and clearness.' It's a nice little book, the author is Heinz Edgar Kiewe , costs $5.95 , Dover 0-486-23425-8 and I got mine thru Wal-marts online book store Also available from the same Dover books people are "Blackwork Embriodery" by Elizabeth Gedded and Moyra McNeill Dover 0-486-2324-5-x and "Blackwork" by Mary Gostelow Dover Needlework Series 0-486-40178-2 . Both books have brief histories of the work and Photos of art work showing Blackwork and extant pieces ,museum and private collections. they are all inexpensive book ,have nice photos and actual chartes for the stiches. They maybe 'Kindergarten" books for what you need, but they are worth the look Melody Robin Netherton wrote: I am not an embroiderer, and my knowledge of medeival embroidery is skeletal -- enough to recognize situations in which it occurs, and to know when to go to others with a question. This is one of those times. I'm talking with another researcher who's working with a text reference to embroidery. One possible interpretation of the reference would be that it describes embroidery that appears on both the inside and outside of the fabric. To me, that sounds like something on the line of blackwork, designed to be neat and finished looking on both the right and "wrong" side, and thus suited to things like cuff and collar edges that might be turned out. So, questions: 1. Is my memory correct -- is this indeed a characteristic of blackwork? Or any other kind of historic embroidery style? 2. Is this characteristic actually documentable to any non-modern examples? (I know it's easy to assume that a standard definition of a technique must date back forever, but it might be done differently in different periods.) If so, how early? I mentally associate blackwork in particular with the Tudor period, but the reference in this case is about 1400. 3. Can anyone point me to a published source that would document the use of such a "two right sides" technique to a medieval artifact? Ultimately my friend would like to have a citation that shows the use of such inside/outside embroidery from around 1400. Doesn't have to be blackwork. Failing that, it would be helpful to have a citation of such a technique from a later period, even if it's not c. 1400. Many, many thanks, as always, to the wonderfully helpful people on this list. I am always amazed by the breadth of knowledge represented here. --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 2 22:37:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l532b4AK010845 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:37:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l532b0Mq025855 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:37:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l532acwC053809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:36:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l532abXd014986; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:36:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55314.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55314.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.193]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5320uhQ094549 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:00:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 90499 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jun 2007 02:00:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QyBg7uf8Bz/5SEKsWrPvmEZmKq0+zMtPWOnZgY/y9vbGjiQYcAM9slif6+CgzEbclHQAq9zTzW/GbA9nDTgi7pDnwD06PLd2NsJnqlvRJxYpYrHQSDwfzVbWI6+Ji9TKxmokYT8XL7cpUX8U0rsLK8LGO0uL45lA5rSsMOeOgnY=; X-YMail-OSG: XWeXWAQVM1n7j8cy14Z34_nq.DR.CWaGrr_QAzIdJtjblgkuVtOTBLcZs6dJdyuupwf.ncC8zNZq.nM85FOZ0gtR.k6VPtnsfFrnvJ6qZJRSKgb17roB3yj0pnBg Received: from [208.67.10.163] by web55314.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:00:51 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 19:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <109970.90296.qm@web55314.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hand Drycleaning X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92f8a923-ca36-4f1f-812c-cff8c8c32012 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4662294C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 2 22:37:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l532b46D010848 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:37:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l532b0mN026692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l532Zq83053608 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:35:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l532Zl2K014331; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:35:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l52LEjjh041281 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:14:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15420 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:17:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:17:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery .....Some Books I found helpful on the subject In-Reply-To: <681049.57559.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6eb10549-16bd-4e06-8797-516579e1a66e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4662294C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, Melody Watts wrote: > I bought one called " Charted Peasant Designs from Saxon > Transylvania". ... > He talkes aboutt he earlier work of the 12 th century Saxon women > "precision of stitch,alike on both sides of the linen in pattern and > clearness.' I've seen this -- a long time ago. He doesn't happen to give a source for that comment, does he? (So many of the older books reprinted by Dover do not.) Without a primary citation, it's only hearsay, I fear, but with it, very very helpful indeed. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 2 22:37:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l532b7co010851 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:37:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l532b3SD026773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 22:37:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l532aMc2053751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l532aMKs014731; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l52MRT7Z085015 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:27:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from edithreardon@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 81754 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2007 22:27:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2VRTCfOcT5h2nXOpA/J1y1IB8xfcUcL/To5oojkXDmhaxTkAjfxU2Daha6buJd8wNwctfwH8UjF+eR9bblVCyLlLKZbzXMco2TaYLcy3xLbF35p7HGClnirWL9l0hc9tFhduzfWujw2cZaCWkPuDMxjrLhF+HSRLZuIh1z0eBBA=; X-YMail-OSG: taWpie8VM1m2ZIh2vpXfYvKk2hqq393YwXKsu4RLwDcnuyFVIKzZGSuBd_Jnjsg.Ao4oHNJqcBDXXDiSpkqtQvD4AEFAW_6ZpQW8C3AR8PjuUvOvlMMZ.SqH_Z2fQng5OpjR00Wgshthnk9N15YMlwr3kg-- Received: from [207.81.104.12] by web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:27:24 EDT Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 18:27:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Edith Reardon Subject: Re: [h-cost] Medieval embroidery .....Some Books I found helpful on the subject To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <681049.57559.qm@web30003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <445774.80389.qm@web52209.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=18% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4834d210-347b-4f7a-a80e-0ae160f9d043 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4662294F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 02 Jun 2007 22:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Too bad Walmart won't ship their books out of the USA. They advertise great prices on some books. Brin Kendall Melody Watts wrote: HI, There is a small publication from (of all places) Dover Press, the people who make all those small craft-y books. I bought one called " Charted Peasant Designs from Saxon Transylvania". The front part of the book has a 3 page introduction to the contents of the items included, as well as photograhs of actual pieces . There is also a bibliography and a map to show where the stiches and designs originated and travel to Transylvania and the time element. He talkes aboutt he earlier work of the 12 th century Saxon women "precision of stitch,alike on both sides of the linen in pattern and clearness.' (snipped) --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@nightowl.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! 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Thanks for sharing. :-D Arlys On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:47:34 +0200 "Bjarne og Leif Drews" writes: > > Hi, > Just wanted to share, i happily got to make the dress before she > comes and > pick it up friday next week. > I dont think i have ever worked so hard in my life before, sewing > wise, > never a moments piece..... > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm > > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 3 10:51:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53EpYcw003853 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:51:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l53EpVXG027401 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:51:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l53EpEY6049058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:51:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53EpDmW089769; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:51:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53EpAWO089701 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:51:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-62-55.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.55.62]) by pop-5.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l53Ep5S12056 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 09:51:05 -0500 Message-ID: <4662D5EB.2080307@wideopenwest.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:53:31 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070305) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. 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Michelle _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 3 12:03:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53G3H2u006658 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:03:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l53G3Dv7009591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:03:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l53G2dMT059971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:02:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53G2Z3s032660; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53G2XK6032640 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:02:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l53G2S86019417 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:02:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> Subject: RE: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. 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X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That is so lovely, Bjarne! You should be really proud of the work you've done. I have started a complicated project that I need to finish by the end of June so I am curious how long your robe a la francaise took you to complete? Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:48 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Hi, Just wanted to share, i happily got to make the dress before she comes and pick it up friday next week. I dont think i have ever worked so hard in my life before, sewing wise, never a moments piece..... http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 3 12:14:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53GEOT5007222 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:14:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l53GEK6U022845 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:14:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l53GDZDF061059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53GDYKt038385; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:13:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53GDU0C038346 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:13:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l53GDPlC012060 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <465A2114.5050908@reddawn.net> <83310.26817.qm@web23110.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] What R U doing this weekend ?- was "Testing..." 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X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ah, but now its June: "June just rains and never stops Thirty days and spoils the crops." Sorry about the off topic, but I am a huge Flanders and Swann fan! Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of julian wilson Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 5:31 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] What R U doing this weekend ?- was "Testing..." Dawn wrote: Sue Clemenger wrote: > 3-day weekend in the U.S. I'd imagine a lot of us are off doing family stuff, camping, etc. I've just come back from seeing Pirates3, myself....lots of fun.< Rewiring the electrical in the bedroom. I'll be able to SEE when I cut out my fabric, and when I'm digging in the back of the closet for stored costumes. COMMENT It's a 3-day weekend here in the Anglo-Norman Isles, too. Mixed weather as is usual for an English May Holdiay weekend - "Farmers fear unkindly May, Frost by night and hail by day - - -"- Saturday was sunny, yesterday sunny with showers including some hail, overnight storm is still blowing hard and showering this morning; - and I now wish I'd laid-out our sleeping tent yesterday and brushed-off the canvas before re-folding everything into tighter bundles for next weekend's travelling to the mainland UK. Over here, May is a month with 2 "Bank-Holiday Mondays", and May 9th is our Isles' "1945 Liberation Day Anniversary Celebration" - so work-wise and wages-wise - it's a "short month". My House is sorting equipment and pre-packing - to travel to the UK Mainland to take part in West Dragonshire's "Winchester Pilgrimage" [weekend June 1st to 3rd] see some pictures at http://www.westdragonshire.org/pilgrimage - based upon the medieval "Almshouses & Hospital of St Cross", [Winchester, Hampshire, UK,] - which latter is a group of almost unaltered medieval buildings continuously-occupied by the Brothers Of St. Cross since it's Foundation. The location has almost no anachronisms in view once through the gateway; and the Brothers all wear monkish robes, too, as "daily-garb", - which helps the "effort of belief". Next Saturday morning's 3 hrs pilgrimage walk will be along the path through the watermeadows beside the River Itchen, finishing-up at Winchester Cathedral; and then walking back to St Cross. Satruday night's Feast will be held in the Hospital's medieval "Hundred Mens' Hall". IMHO, this will be one of the two events in Drachenwald this year [the other wil be "Ffair Raglan III" ] at which Society members will be able most easily - and with minimum effort of imagination - to experience those rare & precious moments when one may look round and think one's self back in the medieval Period. So for my Lady and I this weekend will continue to be a weekend of happy anticipation, and pre-packing equipment. YiS, Matthew Baker _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 3 13:24:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53HOk5I010024 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:24:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l53HOgSi010873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:24:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l53HKEr1068279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53HKAZ3075335; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:20:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.220]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53HK6tE075273 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.26]) by bay0-omc3-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:20:01 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:19:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:19:57 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "GermanRenCostume" , "h-costume" , "TheRenaissanceTailor" , , , Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:19:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:19:05 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2007 17:19:58.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[696E2F90:01C7A603] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Reminder -Tudor Tailor Lecture - Tuesday - 6:00 pm X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed8c076a-1093-4025-b0d8-32f7b61940a2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4662F95A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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They will be selling books and merchandise afterward. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 3 13:45:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53HjgPq011022 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:45:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l53Hjcv1014448 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:45:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l53HjHcB071697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:45:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53HjFik089668; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:45:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (m02.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l53HjBFa089587 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:45:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from llwatts@juno.com) Received: from m02.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m02.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDGF9R4AK75GSS for (sender ); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:44:26 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: WJAeLflMin2r+7mN51BJ7lD6nKbwSEaWfKN7LbcyzV7iVwtF2wxi8g== Received: (from llwatts@juno.com) by m02.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MPBZ2NWZ; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:43:56 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:43:05 -0500 Message-ID: <20070603.124307.1136.2.LLWatts@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.49 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 8-6,7-13,21-22,23-32767 From: Leah L Watts X-ContentStamp: 4:6:468158305 X-MAIL-INFO: 1ef44494c455fdc46565b9649d19a9a4dda565b53d70c9a414b0 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m02.lax.untd.com|llwatts@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Hand Drycleaning X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 41b4e8c6-22f8-4173-9c75-6ed382b1d6e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4662FE42.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > With regular dry cleaning they put the garment or textile into a > machine > and agitate it, which stresses it much more than hand dry cleaning, > which seems similar to flat washing where you sponge the soap > through > the cloth. And given the government restrictions on dry cleaning solvent, I think you're going to have problems finding someone who can do this, ESPECIALLY in California. The only thing I can think of would be to contact some of the industry associations (such as the International Fabricare Institute, http://www.ifi.org/) and see if they have anyone they can recommend. Or see if there's someone using alternative solvents in your area -- I believe the liquid CO2 method requires a pressurized machine, so wouldn't work for you, but I don't know about Rynex or GreenEarth. Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 3 14:16:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IGMBm012329 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:16:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l53IGICg027497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:16:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l53IFujs076340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IFt82009014; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:15:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IFpKN008980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.181] (209-148-118-181.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.181]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l53IFnjs031855 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 11:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: <46630555.7090005@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:15:49 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hand Drycleaning References: <20070603.124307.1136.2.LLWatts@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20070603.124307.1136.2.LLWatts@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f9a4d2d2-2fdd-46c2-919b-54e3b511693d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46630572.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've found places that do it by mail, I just was hoping for a local one. It's really not an unusual process. Museums, antique textile and clothing collectors, and the better vintage clothing stores frequently send antique garments to be hand dry cleaned, since they will not withstand the agitation of machine cleaning. I've been sending stuff out for this process for decades. It's just that dry cleaners tend not to find the museum, etc. business as lucrative as machine dry cleaning for the neighborhood. One dry cleaner I used to use went out of business and the other says they no longer offer this service. My next step will be to contact the deYoung Museum and ask who they use for their collection, or perhaps to send to a place I found in New York. Government regulations or not, I don't think every museum in the country is going to have to start sending all those 18th-century and 19th-century garments out to the neighborhood bulk dry cleaner. Thanks, Fran Leah L Watts wrote: >>With regular dry cleaning they put the garment or textile into a >>machine >>and agitate it, which stresses it much more than hand dry cleaning, >>which seems similar to flat washing where you sponge the soap >>through >>the cloth. > > > And given the government restrictions on dry cleaning solvent, I think > you're going to have problems finding someone who can do this, ESPECIALLY > in California. The only thing I can think of would be to contact some of > the industry associations (such as the International Fabricare Institute, > http://www.ifi.org/) and see if they have anyone they can recommend. Or > see if there's someone using alternative solvents in your area -- I > believe the liquid CO2 method requires a pressurized machine, so wouldn't > work for you, but I don't know about Rynex or GreenEarth. > > Leah _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 3 14:38:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IcBar013345 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:38:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l53Ic7AA026968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:38:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l53IbPIR079522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IbMfX021287; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:37:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IawQQ021059 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070603183650.PKXJ1140.fep35.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:36:50 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.222]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070603183650.UARZ1153.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:36:50 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01c7a60e$368a1340$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070603.124307.1136.2.LLWatts@juno.com> <46630555.7090005@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hand Drycleaning Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:37:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.164.110.222] at Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:36:45 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=32% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f60c4c6-9b33-46c5-9323-0baae7b95c7b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46630A8F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Just my 2 cents, i know that the National Museum, Denmark, has their own cleaning departure, they dry clean their own stuff, and they also take comissions, only it is quite expensive. I know this because the academy of Historical Hairstyles, was payed for one of their catwalks at the National Museum, with cleaning a dress for them. When i worked at the Museum of Decorative arts, they asked me to clean a full bustledress. I was send to town to buy lots of cleaning petrol, and the whole dress was dipped into a bath of this. Worked very well. I did it outside, and the rest of the petrol i was told should just stand outside, so that it could evaporate. Perhaps you could do that two, if you have a zink large enough, and can do it outside.......... Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavolta Press" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Hand Drycleaning > I've found places that do it by mail, I just was hoping for a local one. > It's really not an unusual process. Museums, antique textile and clothing > collectors, and the better vintage clothing stores frequently send antique > garments to be hand dry cleaned, since they will not withstand the > agitation of machine cleaning. I've been sending stuff out for this > process for decades. It's just that dry cleaners tend not to find the > museum, etc. business as lucrative as machine dry cleaning for the > neighborhood. One dry cleaner I used to use went out of business and the > other says they no longer offer this service. > > My next step will be to contact the deYoung Museum and ask who they use > for their collection, or perhaps to send to a place I found in New York. > Government regulations or not, I don't think every museum in the country > is going to have to start sending all those 18th-century and 19th-century > garments out to the neighborhood bulk dry cleaner. > > Thanks, > > Fran > > Leah L Watts wrote: > >>>With regular dry cleaning they put the garment or textile into a machine >>>and agitate it, which stresses it much more than hand dry cleaning, >>>which seems similar to flat washing where you sponge the soap through the >>>cloth. >> >> And given the government restrictions on dry cleaning solvent, I think >> you're going to have problems finding someone who can do this, ESPECIALLY >> in California. The only thing I can think of would be to contact some of >> the industry associations (such as the International Fabricare Institute, >> http://www.ifi.org/) and see if they have anyone they can recommend. Or >> see if there's someone using alternative solvents in your area -- I >> believe the liquid CO2 method requires a pressurized machine, so wouldn't >> work for you, but I don't know about Rynex or GreenEarth. >> >> Leah > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 3 14:47:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IlwAM013721 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:47:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l53IltMh022209 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:47:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l53IlbBC080856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:47:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IlZFc027112; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:47:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IlW6f027015 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:47:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070603184726.NGNT901.fep32.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:47:26 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.222]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070603184726.UAYT1153.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:47:26 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c7a60f$b30f19a0$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070603.074536.1032.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:47:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [80.164.110.222] at Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:47:22 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=29% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1fb4aff5-43e6-473e-a1ec-0acfddf81a20 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46630CDB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynthia J Ley" To: Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. > Stunning, as always! > > Thanks for sharing. :-D > > Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 3 14:50:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IoZ7H013823 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:50:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l53IoW8W023116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:50:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l53IoBfQ081158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53IoBHq028468; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:50:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53ImpdH027736 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:48:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070603184845.OZQQ1140.fep33.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:48:45 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.222]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070603184845.LOZO20303.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 20:48:45 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c7a60f$e37a93d0$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> <4662D5EB.2080307@wideopenwest.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 03 Jun 2007 14:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Michelle, I shall in deed get a lot of photos, she is going to open an exhibition at Gammel Estrup castle about coffe and tea settings trough the ages. Just the right background for the dress. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Plumb" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. > Bjarne, that's breathtaking. > Please ask her to take lots of pictures of her wearing it! > Michelle > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 09:28:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54DSvGR019418 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:28:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54DSrtS016862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:28:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54DSLJl016301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:28:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54DSKQE024145; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:28:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53J3c77035813 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:03:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070603190334.WNUJ1132.fep30.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:03:34 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.222]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070603190334.LDYR6126.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:03:34 +0200 Message-ID: <002c01c7a611$f63fa710$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> <000e01c7a5f8$954b21f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Manny thanks for the phraise of my work. It has taken me about 2 months to complete this dress, and remember i have a full time job besides making the costumes, hense the long time. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. > That is so lovely, Bjarne! You should be really proud of the work you've > done. > > I have started a complicated project that I need to finish by the end of > June so I am curious how long your robe a la francaise took you to > complete? > > Jennifer > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:48 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. > > > Hi, > Just wanted to share, i happily got to make the dress before she comes and > pick it up friday next week. > I dont think i have ever worked so hard in my life before, sewing wise, > never a moments piece..... > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm > > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 09:29:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54DTR0v019437 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:29:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54DTNdN013028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:29:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54DRiFO016114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54DRigb023528; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53Guw1D062201 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:57:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JJ2002ZUKELXC80@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 12:56:42 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. In-reply-to: <000e01c7a5f8$954b21f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcb2b737-c484-4975-b1d5-313bf7094792 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 466413B3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne-- This is magnificent! Please, Please, Please put up a photo of the finished garment! Thank you for sharing your wonderful work! Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Jennifer Byrne Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:02 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. That is so lovely, Bjarne! You should be really proud of the work you've done. I have started a complicated project that I need to finish by the end of June so I am curious how long your robe a la francaise took you to complete? Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:48 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Hi, Just wanted to share, i happily got to make the dress before she comes and pick it up friday next week. I dont think i have ever worked so hard in my life before, sewing wise, never a moments piece..... http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 09:29:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54DTUdR019443 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:29:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54DTQm5002594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:29:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54DRc4b016075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54DRcsA023429; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:27:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l53GAEoB036546 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:10:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l53GA94P008955 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:10:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000501c7a152$f7393460$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <1180430081.465bef019f1d4@webmail.netspace.net.au> Subject: RE: [h-cost] hand rolling hems Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 12:10:08 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c7a5f9$a80afa80$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-reply-to: <1180430081.465bef019f1d4@webmail.netspace.net.au> Thread-Index: Aceh0kjNIqsgJFYkSGC1HMlUygyloAEJz2UA X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 44a21a50-cd69-4cc2-9f70-96abc9be7eaa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 466413B6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Tell me, you the journo? -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 11:15:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54FFQQh023453 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:15:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54FFMDa023809 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:15:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54FEnE4032621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54FEjBJ014406; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:14:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54FEdj6014283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 09:14:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-84-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.84]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l54FEbWD011833 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:14:38 +1000 Message-ID: <001a01c7a6bb$11535e80$54ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c7a152$f7393460$367ee648@ByrneComputer><1180430081.465bef019f1d4@webmail.netspace.net.au> <001401c7a5f9$a80afa80$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolling hems Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:14:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=20% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdb347ac-14ed-4d50-bb45-54791c294681 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46642C8B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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This is the person I believe C was talking about http://www.abc.net.au/backyard/presenters/JENNIFERBYRNE.htm Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:10 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] hand rolling hems > Hi C. > > I'm not sure what the "journo" is so I don't know how to answer that. > Sorry! > > Jennifer > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 11:53:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54FreI9024949 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:53:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54Fraef016899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 11:53:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54DQo5I015787 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:26:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54DQhgL022567; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 07:26:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l53E0f8A061989 for ; Sun, 3 Jun 2007 08:00:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200706031400.l53E0f8A061989@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 31753 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2007 07:00:40 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31512, pid: 31749, t: 1.5942s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.84/m:43/d:3122 spam: 3.0.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (64.30.124.102) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 3 Jun 2007 07:00:39 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:56:48 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. In-Reply-To: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 535e8597-4ecd-4fae-ad0a-eb605444566c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46643580.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cheryl Odom ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 17:37:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54Lbbe0005914 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:37:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54LbXPY001820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:37:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54LV0l7093863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LUsRN076075; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sys22.mail.msu.edu (sys22.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.122]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LUn4s075974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from osermart@msu.edu) Received: from osermart by sys22.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.63 #1) id 1HvK8W-0005Jl-2J for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:30:48 -0400 References: <200706041800.l54I08Pj081472@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200706041800.l54I08Pj081472@net.indra.com> From: "Martha Oser" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:30:47 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Virus: None found by Clam AV X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 68836b17-0bc9-470b-a7ea-e4c16fd3ac31 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4664861D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thanks, Martha _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 17:50:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54Lok3s006396 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:50:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54LohdQ001776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:50:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54LmjQs096380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:48:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LmhMA091598; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:48:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm09.prodigy.net (flpvm09.prodigy.net [207.115.20.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54Lmenu091477 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:48:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.9.171] Received: from [75.46.9.171] (adsl-75-46-9-171.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.9.171]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l54LmcV9009251 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:48:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200706041800.l54I08Pj081472@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <50475192-5540-4289-BA38-E82B8843C4E1@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:48:26 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 879d6e64-5139-4c8b-9fbb-513f1214be5c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46648933.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jun 4, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Martha Oser wrote: > Greetings unto the List, > I'm looking for advice on a lining material to stiffen the stand-up > collars of my husband's cotehardies. I've got some lightweight > linen that I'm planning on using for him this summer, and it will > definitely need some help to keep the collar in an upright position. > Is buckram washable? If not, what do you recommend I use to add > some stiffness to the collar? Buckram is not washable, as the sizing used to stiffen it is water- soluble. I third the idea of padstitched canvas. I doubt rigilene is necessary unless you've got an unusually tall collar. Melanie Schuessler _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 17:54:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LsHbN006529 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:54:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54LsDos014799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:54:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54LrK8R096996 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:53:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LrIIi095560; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:53:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LrC0H095477 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:53:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 411572E824D for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:45:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id A42462E80D3 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:45:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01588 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:53:06 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:53:34 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Thread-Index: Acem8GDfgF/UfxyCQhKO7xn7JOKGSAAAQL0w References: From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11e244bd-d01d-415d-b844-206353139749 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46648A05.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If you want to be authentic use a stiff canvass or other natural fabric that is stiff. Be sure to prewash everything before cutting the fabric if you are doing washables. If authenticity isn't a big must, try a washable fusible or sew-in interlining, maybe more than one layer. Also, if you don't have a copy, check out the Medieval Tailor's assistant for detailed construction of a cotehardie, from underwear through accessories. Cindy Abel -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cheryldee@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:36 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening =20 In a message dated 6/4/2007 3:31:39 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, osermart@msu.edu writes: I'm looking for advice on a lining material to stiffen the stand-up collars of my husband's cotehardies. I've got some lightweight linen that I'm planning on using for him this summer, and it will definitely need some help to keep the collar in an upright position.=20 Is buckram washable? If not, what do you recommend I use to add some stiffness to the collar?=20 Collar canvas and Rigilene. You can find the canvas at a tailoring supply=20 company and the Rigiline (plastic boning) usually at Joanne's. It will lay=20 nicer if you also pad stitch the outside fabric to the canvas. =20 =20 Cheryl Odom ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 17:59:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LxPvW006684 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:59:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54LxMKL010535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:59:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54LwOGB097779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:58:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LwMCB099867; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:58:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LwF6Z099750 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:58:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8i3) with ESMTP id 18301561-1928045 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:57:21 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unverified [210.9.136.243]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 71137528-1928045 for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:48:28 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4208D03A-1BFC-4A84-BE0F-99BD31B4928F@netspeed.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: garden@netspeed.com.au Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:58:12 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-ShareWhite: 210.9.136.243 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 7, in=24, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=210.9.136.243 X-Originating-IP: 210.9.136.243 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 768a7c34-aa08-470d-9486-f4b846d96bc7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46648B3A.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cheers, Aylwen http://www.bordonia.org _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 18:24:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54MOLx0007556 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:24:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54MOIRW029119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:24:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54MKjtC001126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:20:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54MKgxG018956; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:20:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54MKbSi018793 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.4]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JJ40031VU278C11@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.215] (Forwarded-For: 4.250.57.187, [10.240.3.215]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:20:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:20:31 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor lecture Sunday In-reply-to: <78325.48211.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <001901c7a434$7c190e60$e0f1f4dc@user4712b7d135> <78325.48211.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=14% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 86fadc51-d2e4-41cc-90dd-d621482a0104 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46649112.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I know this is a little late - but,,, copies of your notes?? I think Tudor Tailor is a wonderful resource and would like all satalite information that I can. Katheryne ----- Original Message ----- From: MaggiRos > I have the great good luck to be attending a lecture > this Sunday evening at Fullerton College (So. > Calif.)by the authors of The Tudor Tailor. I'd hate to > have somebody say afterwards: "Oh, if only I'd known." > So while there's no guarantee I'll get to ask a > question, I thought I'd better ask y'all... Are there > any questions anyone would like to me to ask, or > answers you'd like me to listen for? Naturally, tho I > can't guarantee that I'll be called on, I'll certainly > be taking notes. Let me know. > > MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 18:30:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54MUFIr007683 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:30:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54MUCoo014236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:30:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54MTBmL002076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:29:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54MT9OB025228; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:29:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54MT5xt025150 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:29:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24001 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:31:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:31:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 85bdf530-faf3-4b07-a2d6-e1b8ca3b43d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46649274.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Martha Oser wrote: > I'm looking for advice on a lining material to stiffen the stand-up > collars of my husband's cotehardies. I've got some lightweight linen > that I'm planning on using for him this summer, and it will definitely > need some help to keep the collar in an upright position. You've gotten some good suggestions, but you haven't mention what level of historical accuracy you're seeking. If modern materials are not optimal, let me know; I have a huge box of heavy linen canvas I bought some time ago, knowing it was unlikely I'd ever see it again, and I'd be glad to send you an eighth-yard for the cost of fabric and shipping. Yeah, that goes for the rest of you too ;-) if you need small amounts for individual projects. I'll never use it all and don't mind sharing bits and pieces, but I don't want to sell the entire box worth, as I know I'll be dipping into it over the years. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 18:47:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54MlZIj008185 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:47:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54MlV3b023374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:47:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54MkuHT004469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54MkqSf040428; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:46:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54Mkll7040254 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 16:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l54MkfA04786 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:46:41 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Historical Costume Message-Id: <8253B15A-C348-44F2-9F44-8DEFA15BB958@alfalfapress.com> From: Althea Turner Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:46:40 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=64% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ? on library search and article databases X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 780eb424-0cb0-4bc3-9f33-a08281b8ce6e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46649683.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings, I am looking for articles on 14th century male dress. I'm finding that journals like CIBA Review aren't often, if at all, found in EBSCO and ArticleFirst et al. Does anyone know of search databases that would list the nifty, yet obscure, journals we rely on? Thanks! Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 19:30:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54NUqMT009778 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:30:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l54NUn9H004116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:30:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l54LbFIb094766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54LbD9o081620; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:37:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l54Lb8qq081516 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:37:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.60.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.60]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HvKEd-0006IM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:37:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200706041800.l54I08Pj081472@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <811AD61A-20B2-4ACE-AC9F-88D221CA2452@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 17:38:22 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=35% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81815b64-3c2d-4076-8fb6-20887ca62879 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4664A0A9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If not, what do you recommend I use to add > some stiffness to the collar? > Thanks, > Martha > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 20:35:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550ZGSD011867 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:35:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l550ZCIs010413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:35:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l550YPu1017677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:34:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550YLjh014272; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550YG1E014199 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:34:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l550YBGX024696 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:34:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <000501c7a152$f7393460$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <1180430081.465bef019f1d4@webmail.netspace.net.au> <001401c7a5f9$a80afa80$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <001a01c7a6bb$11535e80$54ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> Subject: RE: [h-cost] hand rolling hems Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:34:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c7a709$3bb85970$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acemu7R0ctolpdoySHCM+5WTz+GDZQATDGgg In-Reply-To: <001a01c7a6bb$11535e80$54ddf5dc@user4712b7d135> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d9f410e-c219-4a46-930d-6cfb23db6cc5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4664AFC0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ah! No, I am lowly lawyer in the states - not nearly as interesting as the journo Jennifer Byrne. Thanks for the clarification. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Walpole Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:15 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] hand rolling hems it's short for Journalist and if you didn't understand the word journo you're clearly not Australian and therefore not the person C was asking about. This is the person I believe C was talking about http://www.abc.net.au/backyard/presenters/JENNIFERBYRNE.htm Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:10 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] hand rolling hems > Hi C. > > I'm not sure what the "journo" is so I don't know how to answer that. > Sorry! > > Jennifer > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 20:50:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550o1rR012359 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:50:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l550nvTG030480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:50:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l550nNfJ019857 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:49:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550nMo1023650; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:49:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550nIjG023543 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:49:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.175]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070605004913.DJGL21809.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:49:13 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.175]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070605004912.VKDH23069.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:49:12 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:48:49 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20070605004912.VKDH23069.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=53% Subject: [h-cost] upcoming book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbb79fc5-4780-49f1-9c07-b9fee37ccf11 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4664B335.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The aim of the Center's program is to advance the=20 study of cloth and clothing traditions, past and=20 present, through teaching and research. =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 20:50:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550on96012386 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:50:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l550oiGh029508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:50:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l550oDKO019958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:50:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550oCfW024164; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:50:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550o8FI024113 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24400 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:52:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:52:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] ? on library search and article databases In-Reply-To: <8253B15A-C348-44F2-9F44-8DEFA15BB958@alfalfapress.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1b4582ae-4489-4853-95c1-74c8f5df20dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4664B364.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Althea Turner wrote: > I am looking for articles on 14th century male dress. I'm finding > that journals like CIBA Review aren't often, if at all, found in EBSCO > and ArticleFirst et al. Does anyone know of search databases that > would list the nifty, yet obscure, journals we rely on? Your best approach is to backtrack from other articles and books. E.g. start with Newton's "Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince" and go through her footnotes and bibliography for likely candidates. Then, when you get those articles/books, do the same. This won't get you new articles, but it will get you the standards that any scholar would be expected to be familiar with. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 20:56:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550uGYS012584 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:56:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l550uCnX000388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:56:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l550tsxN020728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:55:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550trED027560; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:55:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550tnNu027537 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:55:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l550tjEh018696 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:55:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> <000e01c7a5f8$954b21f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <002c01c7a611$f63fa710$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:55:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c7a70c$3ed633e0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcemrLhNSzt/p8MhT8SsS04OQRLIbgAXKikg In-Reply-To: <002c01c7a611$f63fa710$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7270de19-e87b-4c44-bc67-29cfc67344a6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4664B4AC.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO 2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this true? If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical clothing? I am an attorney by day but I am fascinated with all types of historical clothing from about the 15th century through the 19th. Someday I will focus on one time period but I haven't yet. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:04 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Hi, Manny thanks for the phraise of my work. It has taken me about 2 months to complete this dress, and remember i have a full time job besides making the costumes, hense the long time. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 20:57:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550vCSk012626 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:57:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l550v8JV023001 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:57:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l550uni9020852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:56:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550umXH028061; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:56:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l550ujYV028022 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:56:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24502 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:59:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:59:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 22:10:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l552AMML014427 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:10:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l552AItj010801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:10:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5529Nca029461 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:09:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5529KMG071562; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5529G5h071463 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:09:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.or.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l5529AS05529 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:09:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] ? on library search and article databases Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:09:09 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=61% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50201784-c705-4e72-8039-9a721e53d902 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4664C60B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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This won't get you new > articles, but it will get you the standards that any scholar would be > expected to be familiar with. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 23:33:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l553Xl4i016441 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:33:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l553XhKh016093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:33:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l553WOQC039888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:32:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l553WLCP023172; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l553WGEY023141 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:32:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A94700277 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Monday 04 June 2007, Jennifer Byrne wrote: > 2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! > > I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this true? I'm an attorney by day also, and I'm fascinated by all types of historical clothing myself--so long as it's pre-20th century. :-) -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 23:34:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l553YdZp016456 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:34:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l553YZDD002801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:34:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l553Y1VZ040254 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:34:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l553Y0MM024295; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:34:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l553XuLe024176 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:33:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=JrCa0n570LSw6Lu+LhQtC50hxfaGM1jUvoM715DAYZw8WbwBYxsRjFt9HbUwQ3ns; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.225] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HvPnp-0001EO-JA; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:33:49 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070604165647.051a2bd0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:09:05 -0500 To: ICG-D@yahoogroups.com, SLCG-X@yahoogroups.com, F-Costume@yahoogroups.com, h-costume@indra.com, TheCostumersManifesto@yahoogroups.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070603000844.03885470@pop.radiks.net> References: <466182F0.1040700@hawkeswood.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070603000844.03885470@pop.radiks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53ef9d46f14f0b08bacfcd0147fd8cd92cb0a2d63a8262ae17350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.225 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Costume-Con 25 Photos available! X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ad019153-6f19-4505-9066-2b424bb936fc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4664D9CB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hey, all. We are finally ready for individual photo sales. As we mentioned our photographer, Kerry Gilley took about 1300 photos at CC. He set up an account, but since he only has a dial-up connection was having a terrible time trying to upload the photos. He asked me to try and we got them up. It did take some time, especially with Marcon intervening. But I finished getting them all uploaded last night. To order photos go to: www.costumecon25.smugmug.com 4x6 photos are, I believe, 19 cents each. Postage is added, of course. (Other sizes are available for additional cost.) The site is set up with Galleries. The galleries are: F/SF Masquerade Future Fashion Show Historical Masquerade Doll Competition Shoe Competition Mousequerade Friday Night Social Friday Hall Costumes Saturday Hall Costumes Sunday Hall Costumes I tried this with IE, Firefox and Netscape. IE and Firefox work great. While I could see the home page with Netscape, if I went into any of the galleries none of the photos were visible. This may be my Netscape version since I don't use it much and haven't updated it for quite a while. Now I have a favor to ask everyone. While we have pretty complete information for the competitions, we don't for the Social and the Hall Costumes. So, we would like to ask everyone to look at the photos and let us know who folks are and what their costumes are titled. Even if we recognize you (and we do recognize a lot of you) we would like the titles of your costumes as well. So if you can identify a photo by gallery and page (and which photo on the page) We'd love it. Please don't clog up the bandwidth on the list(s). Just e-mail us directly at costumrs@radiks.net Use a good subject, like CC25 photo id or similar so if we don't recognize your e-mail we don't delete you. Thanks for your patience. Pierre, Sandy and Kerry "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 4 23:58:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l553wtwg017067 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:58:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l553wpxe032314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:58:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l553wNMk043539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l553wKti039198; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:58:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l553wGeT039107 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25226 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2007 03:58:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dDuUem7peXhwYYqW+pLckTc/tnhKZ7TD3r52MMYgKbFjFOZEPCoI8hsjFLObtTwXPAHGMHc1fqV3G6Fj/lLSqjrVnExRREeRCwzzQ2IyOBMBqxw6NFPPN3re4YUY6SqigPY1eUgTTBEyc/8KscyM9ZQSg3o3YSZ6mjwGWxskAjQ=; X-YMail-OSG: GNrBNzoVM1lK49g.K3zp6OkeDeX492cScv68NjMqA9Hz.k4YDYmsL15Kf9fm3G_6eZTouMnNGy7aMCMAVwxWSMFDCMp1dBoC0SYH Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:58:10 PDT Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:58:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <000101c7a70c$3ed633e0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <431963.15975.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd3ed759-f7bc-40b4-b6c1-f4422218cb50 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4664DF7C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 04 Jun 2007 23:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I used to be an accountant, and I am now a full time stay at home mother of two small kids. I enjoy taking on the occasional costume commission to pay for some things, and otherwise spend my husband's money to make up costumes for myself, and my family. Thankfully, he supports my habit, knowing it is who I am, what I love to do, and that I will make him look good in costumes, too. Kimiko --- Jennifer Byrne wrote: > I get the sense from messages I have read that most > folks on this list do > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a > living. Is this true? > If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build > historical clothing? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 03:35:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557ZNe9019683 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:35:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l557ZJtG015528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:35:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l557Xf2d084427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:33:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557Xa8i060894; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557XW3P060811 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:33:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lu+g/OTfLfdyWCPsWImgN8yXq4mTrLSfmDA8Jffyy0vJD2UvNEPNkOB+BPeCkcw5; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.0.241.138] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HvTXi-000582-R7 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:33:27 -0400 Message-ID: <410-2200762573328328@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:33:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d7bbc655fc80915d2a5c969db0f276f7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.0.241.138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 11a8dadc-2ea4-489c-898a-60a6f0d96fcf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46651237.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Is buckram dry cleanable? Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Melanie Schuessler > To: Historical Costume > Date: 6/4/2007 2:49:44 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening > > > On Jun 4, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Martha Oser wrote: > > > Greetings unto the List, > > I'm looking for advice on a lining material to stiffen the stand-up > > collars of my husband's cotehardies. I've got some lightweight > > linen that I'm planning on using for him this summer, and it will > > definitely need some help to keep the collar in an upright position. > > Is buckram washable? If not, what do you recommend I use to add > > some stiffness to the collar? > > Buckram is not washable, as the sizing used to stiffen it is water- > soluble. I third the idea of padstitched canvas. I doubt rigilene > is necessary unless you've got an unusually tall collar. > > Melanie Schuessler > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 03:38:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557cpnd019918 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:38:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l557cmUx016399 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:38:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l557cIqr084806 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:38:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557cIfq063270; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:38:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557cFa0063208 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:38:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A10613B302D2; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:30:14 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 00:38:23 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c7a744$7f0ad6e0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bcfd478b-f5bc-4a3a-bfbe-7e8be0204a94 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46651308.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 03:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just made a stand up collar for a ruff. I tried one layer of canvas, = but that was not enough. I tried two layers and it was perfect. If the = material is heavy, you might need 3 layers. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Martha Oser Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:31 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Greetings unto the List,=20 I'm looking for advice on a lining material to stiffen the stand-up = collars=20 of my husband's cotehardies. I've got some lightweight linen that I'm=20 planning on using for him this summer, and it will definitely need some = help to keep the collar in an upright position.=20 Is buckram washable? If not, what do you recommend I use to add some=20 stiffness to the collar?=20 Thanks,=20 Martha=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 03:45:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557j1oW020442 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:45:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l557ivZ3008316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:45:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l557iJgQ086204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:44:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557iIR1066281; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:44:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557iF7N066258 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:44:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A26C19AE03BE; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:36:12 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. 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The whole thing was under $150, because I made it myself.=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Jennifer Byrne Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:56 PM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?;Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. 2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! =20 I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list = do not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this = true? If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical = clothing? I am an attorney by day but I am fascinated with all types of historical clothing from about the 15th century through the 19th. Someday I will = focus on one time period but I haven't yet. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:04 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Hi, Manny thanks for the phraise of my work. It has taken me about 2 months to complete this dress, and remember i = have a full time job besides making the costumes, hense the long time. Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 03:50:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557oAaR020841 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:50:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l557o6PB002701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 03:50:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l557nj81087094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:49:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557niNm068922; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:49:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557nfCl068892 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A3B47AB03F0; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:41:40 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 06:24:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55AOFSi014512 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:24:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55AOCRT015604 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:24:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55ANg8Q005823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55ANgES053420; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:23:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55ANcNT053355 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070605102333.FGEH1137.fep31.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:23:33 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.222]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070605102332.UKGH1379.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:23:32 +0200 Message-ID: <004e01c7a75b$a00e4220$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001b01c7a746$177c9b60$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? > To those of you going, be sure not to miss a small store that has loads of > trim (2 rooms, floor to ceiling) > Passamaneria Toscana > Piazza San Lorenzo, 12r > The branch store at Viale Strozzi, 8r is smaller, with less inventory.(At > least it was when I saw it in 2002) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:59 PM > To: Historic Costume List > Subject: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? > > > > For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: > > http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 06:24:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55AOPk5014529 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:24:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55AOLYS007086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:24:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55AKJA3005483 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:20:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55AKGBw051624; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:20:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55AKBqf051551 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:20:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070605102005.CKUB1140.fep34.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:20:05 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.222]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070605102005.ULZE1148.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:20:05 +0200 Message-ID: <002d01c7a75b$217867b0$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711><000e01c7a5f8$954b21f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer><002c01c7a611$f63fa710$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> <000101c7a70c$3ed633e0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. 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Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:55 AM Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?;Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. >2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! > > I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this > true? > If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical clothing? > > I am an attorney by day but I am fascinated with all types of historical > clothing from about the 15th century through the 19th. Someday I will > focus > on one time period but I haven't yet. > > Jennifer > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:04 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. > > Hi, > Manny thanks for the phraise of my work. > It has taken me about 2 months to complete this dress, and remember i have > a > > full time job besides making the costumes, hense the long time. > > Bjarne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 07:59:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Bx2d7001616 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:59:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Bww8x009555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:59:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55BruCH031958 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:53:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55BqKJY009467; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:52:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55BqIIN009436 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laureninzer@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so2413682waf for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:52:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=YuZ2CvQbWm2mLCnCieNRV8px0lg9/HQhNRf4JcFGrwYepq99FtcEMICaAopyjceDm48/RAQHRaUfdRbuX6JENaVKUWBktLfBZ6Qt6+Y1GvnR/GIHuMHV9zqInYKRTW/pzMvb1gc5ChrkBRjhXeae0LPrgECEWkZOrocjvxmsHc0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EcSlag4Shd40izjLlum/fX39zP4/dbtvfy7J+pWs7iVZCy2lH/C8QJw5ZijswKlsH/wu96MNub4rBC6WA7d1P2BINkfLIGvTgSrrkaEoHdvQnQc8wKgR1276U/+c+i2BNjdPrYV3Wnaxn0kWYKtdIOZ0F7Agp1TDEdHDkGvTvv8= Received: by 10.114.179.1 with SMTP id b1mr5875937waf.1181044337169; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 04:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.93.19 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 04:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:52:17 -0400 From: "lauren inzer" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? In-Reply-To: <431963.15975.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <000101c7a70c$3ed633e0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <431963.15975.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d973c057-e366-419f-bff9-d65f6cbb1226 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46655002.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I work for an optometrist. As far as funding my costuming...I have to budget just a small bit out of each paycheck. My bigger undertakings sometimes will take months to save for. Right now I've been savining for about six months to start a 15th century italian. Arnora On 6/4/07, Kimiko Small wrote: > > I used to be an accountant, and I am now a full time > stay at home mother of two small kids. I enjoy taking > on the occasional costume commission to pay for some > things, and otherwise spend my husband's money to make > up costumes for myself, and my family. Thankfully, he > supports my habit, knowing it is who I am, what I love > to do, and that I will make him look good in costumes, > too. > > Kimiko > > > --- Jennifer Byrne wrote: > > I get the sense from messages I have read that most > > folks on this list do > > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a > > living. Is this true? > > If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build > > historical clothing? > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- One can never have too many flowers ~ Audrey Heburn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 07:59:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55BxJaC001633 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:59:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55BxFTD004553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:59:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55Bw7dV032824 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:58:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55BvWdc013572; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:57:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55BvSF7013462 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:57:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ccb.10e072fd (57293) for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:56:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:56:53 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d01563d4-c189-491d-a2fa-ae4e507cb00a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46655013.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If not, what do you recommend I use to add some stiffness to the collar? collar canvas, collar interfacing, or a stiff linen or cotton would do the job fabulously debbie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 08:01:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55C12MH001714 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:01:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55C0x2c021419 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:01:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55C0XYX033617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:00:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55C0Wqm016469; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:00:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55C0St4016305 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:00:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ca8.f6b4dae (57293) for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:00:06 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francai To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f49e30a1-355e-4a29-b33e-1a8969aa904c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4665507B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I make costume for a living too... historical stuff for museums and re-enactors mostly - odd bit of tv chucked in - I also make bridal and evening wear, etc. oh, and have my first british army commision as a tailor now, so most definitely full time :o) debbie In a message dated 05/06/2007 03:10:39 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: >2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! > > I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this > true? > If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical clothing? > > I am an attorney by day but I am fascinated with all types of historical > clothing from about the 15th century through the 19th. Someday I will > focus > on one time period but I haven't yet. > > Jennifer I make costumes, mostly for reenactors, but I do a few theatrical productions, too. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 08:08:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55C8NqG002016 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:08:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55C8JOl016663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:08:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55C7S5M035757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:07:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55C7R9E023859; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:07:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55C7NKL023690 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:07:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.41.83.93 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah5FAMPGX0ZQKVNdUGdsb2JhbACHLohHAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,373,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="247612" Received: from mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.13]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2007 13:07:02 +0100 Received: from [80.41.83.93] (port=2034 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HvXoh-0005Mn-4e for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:07:15 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070605130431.0269c6e8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:07:13 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francai In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 36ef7711-ace5-4494-88b0-421aa5856d86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46655233.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 13:00 05/06/2007, you wrote: > > >I make costume for a living too... > >historical stuff for museums and re-enactors mostly - odd bit of tv chucked >in - I also make bridal and evening wear, etc. oh, and have my >first british >army commision as a tailor now, so most definitely full time :o) > >debbie > > Until I decided I'd had enough and started planning my retirement I was a full time professional costume maker, and when I say full time, that often included evenings and weekends. Therefore I have loads of personal projects unfinished, because I do not like sewing for me and my family when I have been sewing for others all week. Suzi > >2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! > > > > I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do > > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this > > true? > > If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical clothing? > > > > I am an attorney by day but I am fascinated with all types of historical > > clothing from about the 15th century through the 19th. Someday I will > > focus > > on one time period but I haven't yet. > > > > Jennifer > >I make costumes, mostly for reenactors, but I do a few theatrical >productions, too. > >Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 08:32:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55CWQiI002796 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:32:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55CWM5t017240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55CVU8q041640 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55CVPUS048344; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:31:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from derby.ac.uk (uodgw1.derby.ac.uk [193.60.149.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55CVKaS048246 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from k.m.bunting@derby.ac.uk) Received: from ([193.60.149.5]) by uodgw1.derby.ac.uk with ESMTP id 5202112.35165491; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:30:57 0100 Received: from Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk (uodx.derby.ac.uk [195.194.178.251]) by mail1.derby.ac.uk (8.11.7p2+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id l55CUuO03704.; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:30:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from DOMGWIA-MTA by Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:30:55 +0100 Message-Id: <4665657D02000014000D2E84@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:30:37 +0100 From: "Kate M Bunting" To: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? References: <200706050209.l5529MAt071588@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200706050209.l5529MAt071588@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6606fb37-3c64-4463-8185-8f094748c61a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 466557D6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm a librarian (one of several on this list). I only make costumes to support my hobby of reenactment, and haven't in fact made a garment for some time. I'm just coming to the end of a long period when life has been getting in the way; I hope to move house later this summer, and when that's over I want to start on a 17th century jacket. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 08:44:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55CimR4003213 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:44:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Ciia2014258 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:44:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55CgSNc044236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:42:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55CgRto059186; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55CgNdh059058 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:42:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:42:18 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000101c7a70c$3ed633e0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. Thread-Index: AcemrLhNSzt/p8MhT8SsS04OQRLIbgAXKikgABj30HA= References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711><000e01c7a5f8$954b21f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer><002c01c7a611$f63fa710$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> <000101c7a70c$3ed633e0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5fd17dc4-ce2f-4020-8f1c-5fde46ccca73 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46655ABC.008 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Costume is what I can't help going on ad nauseam about with anyone who makes the mistake of asking about my passions. During the day, I work in a small university art museum, handling shipping, insurance, etc. details for exhibitions, doing the physical shoving about of walls and painting and hammering to install and de-install exhibitions, and take care of our own (mostly 19th c. and up) collection. Every now and then I get to play with the costume collection at the university's history museum, and am hoping in coming years to step away from this job to make archivally-sound mannequins for the correct and safe display of historic costume collections (I do that on the side now.) With a husband recently in grad school, funds for costuming were non-existent. But in truth, time is the biggest lack. Full-time job, wife & mother, side jobs--there simply isn't much time. And I'm supposed to be working on a book! (more focused version of Medieval Tailor's Assistant, with lots more references) It's only two years late...sigh... Someday.... Sigh. Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 08:59:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Cxqt8003798 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:59:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Cxmtp008430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:59:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55CtSAZ047334 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55CtJ3c070720; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55CtFLn070673 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:55:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-01 (ms-mss-01-smtp-b [10.15.8.23]) by ms-smtp-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55CsPAM027456 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:54:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rdc-kc.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JJ500J9DYK2Y9@ms-mss-01.rdc-kc.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:55:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.15.6.151] (Forwarded-For: [168.137.100.21]) by ms-mss-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (mshttpd); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:55:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:55:14 -0500 From: khanson@kc.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? In-reply-to: <4665657D02000014000D2E84@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <200706050209.l5529MAt071588@net.indra.com> <4665657D02000014000D2E84@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc77d4ad-22ba-47fc-91a3-a10e8fd4b492 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46655E44.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I repair computers for H&R Block. Yep, if you used H&R Block this year, I probably repaired and/or configured the computer that was used to do your tax returns. Talia ----- Original Message ----- From: Kate M Bunting Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:34 am Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? To: h-costume@indra.com > I'm a librarian (one of several on this list). I only make > costumes to > support my hobby of reenactment, and haven't in fact made a > garment for > some time. I'm just coming to the end of a long period when life has > been getting in the way; I hope to move house later this summer, and > when that's over I want to start on a 17th century jacket. > > Kate Bunting > Librarian and 17th century reenactor > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 09:01:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55D164w003856 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:01:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55D13og019044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:01:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55D09vw048557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55D085w074862; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:00:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm23.prodigy.net (flpvm23.prodigy.net [207.115.20.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55D04F9074746 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.6.203] Received: from [75.46.6.203] (adsl-75-46-6-203.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.6.203]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l55D0LHS016823 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:00:21 -0700 In-Reply-To: <410-2200762573328328@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200762573328328@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:59:48 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f970f44-a215-41ba-a364-66af83262636 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46655E8F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm not certain, but I would guess not. I imagine the dry-cleaning solvent would remove the sizing even more effectively than water! I'm happy to be corrected, though, if anyone has experience to the contrary. Melanie On Jun 5, 2007, at 3:33 AM, Silvara wrote: > Is buckram dry cleanable? > > Silvara > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Melanie Schuessler >> To: Historical Costume >> Date: 6/4/2007 2:49:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening >> >> >> On Jun 4, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Martha Oser wrote: >> >>> Greetings unto the List, >>> I'm looking for advice on a lining material to stiffen the stand-up >>> collars of my husband's cotehardies. I've got some lightweight >>> linen that I'm planning on using for him this summer, and it will >>> definitely need some help to keep the collar in an upright position. >>> Is buckram washable? If not, what do you recommend I use to add >>> some stiffness to the collar? >> >> Buckram is not washable, as the sizing used to stiffen it is water- >> soluble. I third the idea of padstitched canvas. I doubt rigilene >> is necessary unless you've got an unusually tall collar. >> >> Melanie Schuessler >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 09:37:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55DbpXb005245 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:37:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55DbkPr023077 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:37:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55Db7ue058016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:37:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Db4C0007442; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:37:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55DaqVm007268 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:37:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t16so1661126wxc for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MUYvN8YYVSCGi+FTyvKcFOUc6cqK5NdwJiDJoryS0U5JN5+yBHEr6uUQ0WcoJZKravUCO1u69JXBOP8Lfx8pjauYGv2KPoMWeOwkpLdIXlbnaCzIFB8639eMGkFty4bibtGSp4wni8xrsKWyrCJHB5sDS1kwnHjDLeUtU4GOWn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=W8TqZFPorCtFFE4GyEGJ5t97R1D/XCq7+p37Se9JOedaZdAmVhI9VRqeGestrtR1bgmSqRfntwjN2sXIE3iVBz2iE8hnz+WdHJmWhJUjnaIj9/RBOJiuAhZ1X8Zjl5v77gbJW1u63YwIxr1YoIr8nmyqbuxkmjUPz5qG00XaOHc= Received: by 10.70.70.7 with SMTP id s7mr9159962wxa.1181050610679; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.21.7 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190706050636g34ec4014n85cb2f9c23ccc2a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:36:50 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 rep=9% Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Off topic: What's your day job? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3baf2610-0f83-44c7-821b-c0c133f1c646 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4665672B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 6/5/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:31:47 -0400 > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a > la francaise grande panier. > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <200706042331.47251.cathy@thyrsus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Monday 04 June 2007, Jennifer Byrne wrote: > > 2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! > > > > I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do > > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this true? > > I'm an attorney by day also, and I'm fascinated by all types of historical > clothing myself--so long as it's pre-20th century. :-) I'm a web developer, computer usabilty/accessibilty person by day, costumer/researcher by evening/weekend. I do enjoy my job but it's not a passion, and it pays for the fabric :P I am curious how those of you who do serious construction and research find the time for your hobbies. I'm finding that in my own life I have to strictly set aside time and push myself because after 40 hours in the office sometimes I don't want to do *anything* when I get home, and counting on "in my free time I'll do x" just doesn't cut it. How do you find the time, energy, and motivation? > > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." > -- George Mabry > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 09:53:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55DrD3k005948 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:53:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Dr9NN015352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:53:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55DqcpK062032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55DqZO0021949; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:52:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.107]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5544STE042923 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:04:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 20060 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2007 04:04:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=UklYlLBrXfsLU9UMVuDkRDwMy/nrT386EWsU6rziO+Qh55kSdKsEH+5kM9U+ShOLDp4EeGSBJIdShAduAYxp3n9EpLWu0uWQOKaN8ljEgZM1yqp/NUZ41rIWb/RDDo8rXQSvvGDj1lAOAABLKRITq2q+CZms8EmsEh6+IR1lxrs=; X-YMail-OSG: biNaHF0VM1mAF8pUqSk.zKpwn10if77BBuaIHaCA7C1YgVXCYP4Ce9pxTZSMUlZGWt4yjA_gW4SPt5hqx1jLYvkELWWB1DS0PK1vESxxFqbgv_mVGUo79gWwRhRYmNYDUA8uOeYNbjCsY5fPck0aPUlJ4Q-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:04:22 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.23.1 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.14 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 21:04:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <847165.19936.qm@web52104.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Florence in 2008? 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After washing it loses a little stiffness but it sound slike it will still be quite ideal for a light linen. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 09:56:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Du5c7006055 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:56:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Du27k018286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:56:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55DrRDv062319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55DrQ42022867; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l557T28N058140 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 01:29:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.41.83.93 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoXAMPGX0ZQKVNdUGdsb2JhbACPdQEBPwE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,373,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="190285" Received: from mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.13]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2007 08:28:48 +0100 Received: from [80.41.83.93] (port=1088 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HvTTM-000GAh-BS for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:28:56 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070605082608.02691318@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:27:47 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 09:56:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Duj87006080 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:56:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55DufOQ031586 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:56:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55Du4ej063279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:56:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Du3fe025988; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:56:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [216.148.227.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55DZb5l006164 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:35:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lauren.walker@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070605133531m1400fp04oe>; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:35:31 +0000 Received: from [67.158.113.4] by rmailcenter02.comcast.net; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:35:31 +0000 From: lauren.walker@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off Topic: What's your day job? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:35:31 +0000 Message-Id: <060520071335.29948.466566A30000137C000074FC22007507449D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bGF1cmVuLndhbGtlckBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5e16471a-af32-489e-8031-3a83f028876d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46656B99.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am a writer and editor for a living. I started out in costume because I am interested in the history of weaving, and became fascinated with the way weaving technology and trade influenced fashion throughout history -- the huge expansion of gowns in periods where new technology makes fabric cheap, the design elements that are "forced" by limitations in the fabric (notably the avoidance of horizontal seaming), and the way trade in fabric parallels the trade in ideas. I got into re-enacting when I was researching a fiction idea I had about all this stuff, and needed to immerse myself as far as possible in what it was like to wear the clothes and use the technology and in an attempt to see how the material culture might influence ideas. At some point I became annoyed by 18th century re-enactor complaints about the unavailability of appropriate printed cottons, and began investigating options for getting fabrics from India. At some point I found a buyer who traveled to India every year and would look into getting me block printed dress goods, but only if I would place a wholesale order to make it worth her while. So I did, and became, by accident, a fabric merchant. See http://www.timetraveltextiles.com I use the cloth-selling partly to give myself a mercer/draper persona for playing at re-enactor events, and partly to pay for some of my costume fun, and partly to be able to deduct other elements of my costume fun from my taxes. But mostly to be able to handle the fabrics and to "justify" researching the fabrics and rationalize making the costumes. My intention is to start weaving more of my wares, but as I am between houses right now, almost all the looms are in storage and I am putting more of my energy in! to purs uits that make more money per hour than handweaving, which is basically, um, anything. I have seen far too many people at this point, including some on this list, who have become disillusioned or even embittered trying to make a full living from whatever aspect of historical costume or merchanting they once loved, and so about a month ago I did take a full-time job to take the financial pressure off the cloth business and off my freelance writing. Due to my interest in moments when textile technology and trade changed fashion and the world, my two favorite periods of interest are the 10th century, when the horizontal loom was being adopted in Europe and England for wool and linen weaving, and the end of the 18th century, the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. And now I must shut up and get back to work! Lauren Walker lauren.walker@comcast.net > > In a message dated 05/06/2007 03:10:39 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > >2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! > > > > I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do > > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this > > true? > > If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical clothing? > > > > I am an attorney by day but I am fascinated with all types of historical > > clothing from about the 15th century through the 19th. Someday I will > > focus > > on one time period but I haven't yet. > > > > Jennifer _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 09:57:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Dv9hg006111 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:57:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Dv6ss019327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:57:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55DuPU3063361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:56:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55DuNnk026353; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:56:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Darj5007271 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:37:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1635032wxc for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MUYvN8YYVSCGi+FTyvKcFOUc6cqK5NdwJiDJoryS0U5JN5+yBHEr6uUQ0WcoJZKravUCO1u69JXBOP8Lfx8pjauYGv2KPoMWeOwkpLdIXlbnaCzIFB8639eMGkFty4bibtGSp4wni8xrsKWyrCJHB5sDS1kwnHjDLeUtU4GOWn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=W8TqZFPorCtFFE4GyEGJ5t97R1D/XCq7+p37Se9JOedaZdAmVhI9VRqeGestrtR1bgmSqRfntwjN2sXIE3iVBz2iE8hnz+WdHJmWhJUjnaIj9/RBOJiuAhZ1X8Zjl5v77gbJW1u63YwIxr1YoIr8nmyqbuxkmjUPz5qG00XaOHc= Received: by 10.70.70.7 with SMTP id s7mr9159962wxa.1181050610679; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.21.7 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:36:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190706050636g34ec4014n85cb2f9c23ccc2a0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:36:50 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: Off topic: What's your day job? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64e1522c-dfdf-4086-9bdd-9e84257033f2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46656BB2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 6/5/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 23:31:47 -0400 > From: Catherine Olanich Raymond > Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a > la francaise grande panier. > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <200706042331.47251.cathy@thyrsus.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Monday 04 June 2007, Jennifer Byrne wrote: > > 2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! > > > > I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do > > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this true? > > I'm an attorney by day also, and I'm fascinated by all types of historical > clothing myself--so long as it's pre-20th century. :-) I'm a web developer, computer usabilty/accessibilty person by day, costumer/researcher by evening/weekend. I do enjoy my job but it's not a passion, and it pays for the fabric :P I am curious how those of you who do serious construction and research find the time for your hobbies. I'm finding that in my own life I have to strictly set aside time and push myself because after 40 hours in the office sometimes I don't want to do *anything* when I get home, and counting on "in my free time I'll do x" just doesn't cut it. How do you find the time, energy, and motivation? > > > > -- > Cathy Raymond > > "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." > -- George Mabry > Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:00:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E0VNA006265 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:00:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55E0RtD028736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:00:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55DtPCa063047 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:55:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55DtMlq025169; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc16.comcast.net (alnrmhc16.comcast.net [204.127.225.96]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55B9PNO078317 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 05:09:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200706051109.l55B9PNO078317@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc16) with SMTP id <20070605110919b1600o01j2e>; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:09:19 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:09:07 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. In-Reply-To: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d19d8a91-90f9-4be5-8a64-6ffcc8875111 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46656C7B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:01:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E1ndi006311 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:01:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55E1kJm024523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:01:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55E0rSR064735 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E0njc031093; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:00:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu ([199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E0M27029889 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:00:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:00:21 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:00:21 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B020A6D2D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <002c01c7a611$f63fa710$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Thread-Index: AcemrGC8f/Q5sjcjQ12o6S+omUDsXAAzUtuA From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jun 2007 14:00:21.0496 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB44F780:01C7A779] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9af61dbf-e17e-4e8e-bdd7-2c4da803d66d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46656CCA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne - I couldn't get all that done in 2 months with NO other job. You are phenomenal! Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:04 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Hi, Manny thanks for the phraise of my work. It has taken me about 2 months to complete this dress, and remember i have a=20 full time job besides making the costumes, hense the long time. Bjarne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 6:02 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. > That is so lovely, Bjarne! You should be really proud of the work you've > done. > > I have started a complicated project that I need to finish by the end of > June so I am curious how long your robe a la francaise took you to=20 > complete? > > Jennifer > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:48 AM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. > > > Hi, > Just wanted to share, i happily got to make the dress before she comes and > pick it up friday next week. > I dont think i have ever worked so hard in my life before, sewing wise, > never a moments piece..... > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm > > > Bjarne > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:03:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E3Wgv006404 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:03:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55E3SpO014629 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:03:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55E24FD065243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:02:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E23LS032523; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:02:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E201d032384 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:02:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cc0.138f423f (39331) for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:01:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:01:48 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3c854e3-e9c0-4ef4-abbd-4bd6a808539d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46656D30.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 6/5/2007 7:00:46 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, melanie@faucet.net writes: I'm not certain, but I would guess not. I imagine the dry-cleaning solvent would remove the sizing even more effectively than water! I'm happy to be corrected, though, if anyone has experience to the contrary. Melanie On Jun 5, 2007, at 3:33 AM, Silvara wrote: > Is buckram dry cleanable? > > Silvara I would recommend not using buckram. Because I don't imagine that it's dry cleanable, plus minute it gets wet the starch runs out. Even if you happen accidentally to get caught in a down pour. It would lose its integrity and possibly stain the collar with white starch. Yuck! Also, collar canvas, to my knowledge, is made of a combination of linen and horse hair. Nothing "plastic" in it if you seek out the real stuff. This for the purists. Cheryl Odom ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:09:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E9lqD006627 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:09:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55E9hdl001654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:09:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55E2Lf8065316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:02:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E2Ja8032851; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55E2GCe032787 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:02:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1643591wxc for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:02:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=IYqF49xoif1u7ojCn1BQRwfQrLkkZpNIKECpuBLNjzvlBiEoGiWTAz/PAKv1jwsbT6xAiz9BH6qXYxT+97Qxz5+FQyMM+vHRR8w4hO8Gfq/vESepkSuFXQnElwVIwBmrqfGdMaaGU/YjE5cupipBQL5qU2YC5SN7lC1+4+n7sfc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=WAcSbdmdQ8TvGihByq7ld3nZeCE958KhHXnAFLm94Os74rYCQfpJJyd0GIZD2JbMRpZnTymnpIiYcUZRgVC13vCcU7w00vyUvPR8aRhShRvCouliGREASc+0GHoV5vZ1G5XkxCSYlbJMgi8GcKlY1gwzkdpsaqBii1Al18UGZM8= Received: by 10.90.113.18 with SMTP id l18mr4883080agc.1181052135893; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34sm1508035wra.2007.06.05.07.02.15; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <902201c7a77a$25012830$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200706050209.l5529MAt071588@net.indra.com><4665657D02000014000D2E84@Cluster1_gwise3_server.derby.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off Topic: What's your day job? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am an applications developer for a school district. The city had to vote for my position to be created and paid for. It is a half of my normal pay as an applications developer but it is 10 minutes from my house and my kids (3) go to school here. I know I am making a difference not only in my kids' lives but many others. :) The historical part about my job is that I get to create graphics too and you know what I use as my inspiration! :D Chiara Francesca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? >I repair computers for H&R Block. Yep, if you used H&R Block this year, > I probably repaired and/or configured the computer that was used to do > your tax returns. > > Talia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kate M Bunting > Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:34 am > Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? > To: h-costume@indra.com > >> I'm a librarian (one of several on this list). I only make >> costumes to >> support my hobby of reenactment, and haven't in fact made a >> garment for >> some time. I'm just coming to the end of a long period when life has >> been getting in the way; I hope to move house later this summer, and >> when that's over I want to start on a 17th century jacket. >> >> Kate Bunting >> Librarian and 17th century reenactor >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:31:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EVF9Q007397 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:31:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55EVBb7027011 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:31:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55EUZWL072949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EUWHS062197; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:30:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EUSXf062102 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200706051430.l55EUSXf062102@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070605143023m1200bi2hse>; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:30:23 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:30:11 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francai In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05722d26-260c-4df5-8539-b12dbab9b65c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466573AF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 08:00 AM 6/5/2007, you wrote: >I make costume for a living too... > >historical stuff for museums and re-enactors mostly - odd bit of tv chucked >in - I also make bridal and evening wear, etc. oh, and have my >first british >army commision as a tailor now, so most definitely full time :o) > >debbie I do some costuming for pay, but right now it's a sideline. (I'm a full-time parent.) Next year, when my youngest finally goes off to school, I hope to get into it much more seriously. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:32:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EWOP9007440 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:32:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55EWKQO028733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:32:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55EVZFf073156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EVYlW063093; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:31:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [63.240.77.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EVUgb062974 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:31:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Etiennette@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter68.comcast.net ([204.127.205.168]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2007060514312501300j0d7ve>; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:31:25 +0000 Received: from [71.197.237.251] by smailcenter68.comcast.net; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:31:25 +0000 From: Etiennette@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off Topic: What's your day job? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:31:25 +0000 Message-Id: <060520071431.15510.466573BD00071ADC00003C962207020653039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9BAC@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: U3RlcGhhbmllc29sdW1AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cad90278-4474-4728-bea9-8d8aeeb047e9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 466573F4.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi there, I am new to the list and my day job is a bookkeeper. In fact I just started my own business. I like because it will allow me flexibility to enjoy my family. My son starts middle school next year so I am looking forward to being able to volunteer there. I am really looking forward to getting back into costuming again. Etiennette -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Chiara Francesca" > I am an applications developer for a school district. The city had to vote > for my position to be created and paid for. It is a half of my normal pay as > an applications developer but it is 10 minutes from my house and my kids (3) > go to school here. I know I am making a difference not only in my kids' > lives but many others. :) > > The historical part about my job is that I get to create graphics too and > you know what I use as my inspiration! :D > > Chiara Francesca > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? > > > >I repair computers for H&R Block. Yep, if you used H&R Block this year, > > I probably repaired and/or configured the computer that was used to do > > your tax returns. > > > > Talia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kate M Bunting > > Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:34 am > > Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? > > To: h-costume@indra.com > > > >> I'm a librarian (one of several on this list). I only make > >> costumes to > >> support my hobby of reenactment, and haven't in fact made a > >> garment for > >> some time. I'm just coming to the end of a long period when life has > >> been getting in the way; I hope to move house later this summer, and > >> when that's over I want to start on a 17th century jacket. > >> > >> Kate Bunting > >> Librarian and 17th century reenactor > >> _______________________________________________ > >> h-costume mailing list > >> h-costume@mail.indra.com > >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:39:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EdDh3007665 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:39:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Ed9s3016199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:39:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55EcW6A074974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:38:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EcUVS069487; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:38:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EcPdi069339 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:38:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep48.mail.dk ([195.41.46.231]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070605143819.IAUY1140.fep33.mail.dk@fep48.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:38:19 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.41]) by fep48.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070605143819.UMAE1370.fep48.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:38:19 +0200 Message-ID: <002501c7a77f$37ca2bb0$2943a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> <200706051109.l55B9PNO078317@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:38:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep48.mail.dk from [80.161.67.41] at Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:38:16 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=38% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e716b0b-378f-4fdc-a024-849c148fe7e8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4665758E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, Yes when she comes we are arranging to go to the roof terrace where there is plenty of room, and ill dress up two for the photographs. Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Greg Stucki" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. > At 08:47 AM 6/3/2007, you wrote: > >>Hi, >>Just wanted to share, i happily got to make the dress before she comes and >>pick it up friday next week. >>I dont think i have ever worked so hard in my life before, sewing wise, >>never a moments piece..... >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/sofie3.htm >> >> >>Bjarne > > > It's beautiful, Bjarne. Will you take more pictures when she comes to pick > it up so we can see the dress on her? > > Dianne > > > > > >>Leif og Bjarne Drews >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk >> >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:43:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EhqrV007809 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:43:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55EhntE018376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:43:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55EgIaF076057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:42:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EgGX0073379; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:42:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EgB2n073275 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:42:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27087 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:44:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:44:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off Topic: What's your day job? In-Reply-To: <060520071335.29948.466566A30000137C000074FC22007507449D0A05040E99D2020A9D9A0E04@comcast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ec78a44-c8d5-4999-8dcb-aff8f58f51e6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 466576A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My bread-and-butter work is freelance editing; I have been a journalist and editor for more than 25 years and went freelance when I had my first child, in 1993. Most of my freelance work is consumer medical editing, but I work in other areas as well. Editing the journal Medieval Clothing & Textiles doesn't pay -- and it does take a huge toll in time and energy. The tiny honorarium I get as editor might just cover the physical costs involved in doing it, e.g. postage, Xeroxes, etc. I get a little income from my lecturing on medieval costume, and I dedicate that money to cover my expenses for research and publishing: photography, conferences, journal subscriptions, memberships, books, Xeroxing, photo permissions for published articles. I don't make many costumes these days -- primarily my outfits for lecturing, proof pieces when I'm working out a new theory, and occasional garments as favors for friends. (So why do I keep buying fabric?) My third income comes from making and selling bead jewelry, which is as much of a hobby as I can claim; it pays for itself, but probably not for all the time I spend shopping for and playing with beads! --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:48:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EmVLq007958 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:48:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55EmSGb002406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:48:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55EljHf077230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:47:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Eli7p078685; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:47:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l55Elett078541 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:47:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDGL74ZAMYJHJJ for (sender ); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:46:47 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgu2ypdSJrj4/W3HcukTZbK0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MPGUPE2Q; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:46:37 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:20:23 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm a part-time multi-discipline writing tutor for a local community college. About 80-90% of my clients are second language students. It's a very enjoyable way to pay of Grad School. My husband's grateful I'm an embroiderer, not a costumer. ;) Arlys On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:52:17 -0400 "lauren inzer" writes: > I work for an optometrist. As far as funding my costuming...I have > to > budget just a small bit out of each paycheck. My bigger > undertakings > sometimes will take months to save for. Right now I've been > savining for > about six months to start a 15th century italian. > > Arnora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:50:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EoPPQ008021 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:50:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55EoLcF014154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:50:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55EnmY2077901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:49:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EnlQK080870; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:49:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EniMg080748 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:49:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep42.mail.dk ([195.41.46.225]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070605144940.FTMU901.fep32.mail.dk@fep42.mail.dk> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:49:40 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.41]) by fep42.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070605144940.VLWV1153.fep42.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:49:40 +0200 Message-ID: <003a01c7a780$ceb1a6b0$2943a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B020A6D2D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Subject: Re: [h-cost] robe a la francaise grande panier. 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 10:59:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55ExGnP008320 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:59:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55ExCEf008381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:59:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55EvXxL079757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:57:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EvPhu088838; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:57:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55EvJrH088645 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:57:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so431801ana for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:57:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=n6LM4s6PfQUQhNbDD56WhaPgf9+vcKWqPaRWbFuMyuknMBe2nmiXQu+kcCpAIzDJFSJK4b4x1KlYMRo2Pm1Spoy6uXOmjiS2S/Tk2ffiAVifYXqR+5houkv0iHHefbn/Sw/pZm9K4EQqnQI8Ttqaug/+UZ3XMzEFqMO26KvEyP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VCsqlFA6/o4l/otKEYh9HNh7/6yJ6SP3/W8rXVfKkKjPkyuEn3SMqifX1SN2mv36eBC2PuRJKlFL7sqsY/J86xFNERZByASafC0B8ymzQdn7xjF9I021r56R6asd3zHbgSH0/gEn+nod+iRdJIYygVwW6xaGUcHF74hmOoQb+ns= Received: by 10.101.1.13 with SMTP id d13mr3285475ani.1181055433847; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.122.2 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660706050757o2eee3c40q659213ff50a9a134@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:57:13 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I now know what I want for my 40th b-day. Thanks Robin. :> Mari On 6/4/07, Robin Netherton wrote: > > For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: > > http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm > > --Robin > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 11:09:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55F9u7u008753 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:09:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55F9qUj011765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:09:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55F8cOl082469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:08:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55F8ZRo001015; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:08:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55F8Vfr000885 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:08:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1494.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.216]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B4B3420F8 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:08:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46657C6B.8020509@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:08:27 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off Topic: What's your day job? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am trying to make a living with selling hand made Fantasy, Ghotic, Lolita, Japanese street wear inspired clothing on line and on fantasy fairs here in the Netherlands. I also make wedding dresses And other costumes. The last order I did was 10 dance costumes for a piece called Cabaret for a Jazz dance group. It was hard work but also a lot of fun. Oh I forget the 15 little skirts and tops for the little children's who did a part from the musical Anny. I normally don't do historical costumes for others. They take too much work. But I love to make them for myself. And of course fantasy costumes. The last one I made was a fast and low budget Corpse Bride. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Lijkje.jpg http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Lijkje2.jpg Since I started to make a living of it I don't make so much for myself anymore. Right now I need to invest a lot of money and time to make it work. Greetings, Deredere _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 11:12:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FCUEk013374 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:12:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55FCQBH004347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:12:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55FBeSu083202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:11:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FBcKK004063; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:11:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FBYqJ004006 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so1033707wra for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:11:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=N1UPlDRkI6WQ1lQeoJ4kAfi+oRBWj88LD38KnFiasspmplEkgJOad2u9iv2S3ZySWaxeYHynOJbx99iHP/+WUn9UV+VKsTyYfQ/10gFBSveJ4Ozer/pOnREdZD7lSjpuVfaWaO/08s52GX5KylcMWvnQ5gs3ptRrWOeOhyhUc14= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=eiVxFyg82qoSDPaMOKU7S5gPG43pUN7QUCzsfN/+8mmXNeT41JbDPFb7BpQEIZYTCwXsclmotw7bcCNoM3mpvGz8blbXO/p+QPYHGosJZeyi6KSBcqMx4fT8R82ojhBlbDtHkzsP0hCDGkQLsynxLaK1B75hq0c4DD9zE8clMC4= Received: by 10.90.105.19 with SMTP id d19mr5014761agc.1181056293786; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 66sm1580496wra.2007.06.05.08.11.33; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <92ab01c7a783$d351b450$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Netherton" To: "Historic Costume List" Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? > > For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: > > http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 11:29:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FTXpX013935 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:29:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55FTTbB023064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:29:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55FNg20086212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FNeaF016083; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:23:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FNbWl015965 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:23:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Etiennette@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter67.comcast.net ([204.127.205.167]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2007060515233101400dfd38e>; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:23:31 +0000 Received: from [71.197.237.251] by smailcenter67.comcast.net; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:23:31 +0000 From: Etiennette@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:23:31 +0000 Message-Id: <060520071523.26173.46657FF3000550E90000663D2207021573039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9BAC@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: U3RlcGhhbmllc29sdW1AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd14a382-7f3e-4f62-b42f-8be2bca1fdd2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46658159.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi there, I would be interested in going. I have already joined up for their mailing list and am counting how to save for it :) I would be interesting to know costs and such, if anyone has some incite. Etiennette -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Chiara Francesca" > Robin .... idea > > If this does go forward how about we start a yahoo group or something for > those that want to go. This way we can get a group rate to fly over, get > rooms, tours, etc. > > Anyone on the list in the travel industry that can give us a leg up on how > to get this going? > > Chiara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Netherton" > To: "Historic Costume List" > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:59 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? > > > > > > For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: > > > > http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm > > > > --Robin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 11:34:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FYOWu014134 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:34:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55FYLk6028071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:34:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55FXH6S088472 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:33:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FWi6n024564; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:32:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FWWGt024407 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:32:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27399 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:35:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:35:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? In-Reply-To: <92ab01c7a783$d351b450$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d079c44-828e-4618-af70-c401e09ea187 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4665827D.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, Chiara Francesca wrote: > Robin .... idea ...Well, I'm not going, but I'll enjoy it vicariously from the reports from those of you who do! > If this does go forward how about we start a yahoo group or something > for those that want to go. This way we can get a group rate to fly > over, get rooms, tours, etc. That sounds like a brilliant idea. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 11:47:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FlPS1014626 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:47:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55FlL4v031036 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:47:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55FjwJR091949 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:45:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FjtH1038519; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:45:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FjqE2038355 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr14a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.172]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JJ600C4T6GAMOS0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.215] (Forwarded-For: 161.38.223.246, [10.240.3.215]) by mstr14.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:45:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:45:46 +0000 (GMT) From: monicaspence@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I want to go.Yesterday I finished my manuscript on book 1 on my Cosimo and Eleonora series. Book 2 is in the second draft and needs very few revisions. Wish me luck publishing it.. Maybe they could sell copies in the shop at the Pitti Palace :-). ----- Original Message ----- From: Chiara Francesca Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 11:16 am Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? To: Historical Costume > Robin .... idea > > If this does go forward how about we start a yahoo group or > something for > those that want to go. This way we can get a group rate to fly > over, get > rooms, tours, etc. > > Anyone on the list in the travel industry that can give us a leg > up on how > to get this going? > > Chiara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robin Netherton" > To: "Historic Costume List" > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 7:59 PM > Subject: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? > > > > > > For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: > > > > http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm > > > > --Robin > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 11:54:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FsHba014901 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:54:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55FsDmw013881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:54:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55FrIbO093988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:53:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FrGVg046545; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:53:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FrBXe046332 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:53:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F99FD1651 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:53:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46658715.4050509@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:53:57 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Etiennette@comcast.net wrote: > Hi there, > > I would be interested in going. I have already joined up for their mailing list and am counting how to save for it :) > > I would be interesting to know costs and such, if anyone has some incite. > I would expect a week in Italy, plus airfare, hotel (with continental breakfast, double occupancy room), and fees, taxes, etc. to be no less than $2000 US per person, and more like $3000. And that would be with a New York or similar East Coast departure, if you live in California or Ohio you're going to pay additional to get to NY the night before the trip leaves. You'll also want several hundred (or more) in personal expense money, like they other two meals a day, and souveniers. And don't forget your passport. It may take several months to get it processed now that they are mandatory for all US border crossings. Apply now if you're serious. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 12:04:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55G4rfE015391 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:04:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55G4nJ3031038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:04:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55G44EJ096817 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55G3xKN057592; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:04:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55G3rho057498 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:03:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A7881B990314; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:55:52 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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Bjarne ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? > To those of you going, be sure not to miss a small store that has = loads of > trim (2 rooms, floor to ceiling) > Passamaneria Toscana > Piazza San Lorenzo, 12r > The branch store at Viale Strozzi, 8r is smaller, with less = inventory.(At > least it was when I saw it in 2002) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On > Behalf Of Robin Netherton > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:59 PM > To: Historic Costume List > Subject: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? > > > > For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: > > http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 12:14:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GEkga015803 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:14:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55GEgJd022282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:14:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55GDvbG099789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:13:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GDqWn068060; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:13:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao03.charter.net (mtao03.charter.net [209.225.8.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GDkm5067897 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:13:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aa07.charter.net ([10.20.200.159]) by mtao03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070605161341.LIFI1525.mtao03.charter.net@aa07.charter.net> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:13:41 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.100.224]) by aa07.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070605161341.PPZI12201.aa07.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:13:41 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:13:33 -0500 Message-ID: <002901c7a78c$77391c40$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070605082608.02691318@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcenePkSM0ugOVqmS26HJ4xDZJZzXQAE2jpg X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: feead458-4d21-4883-b0ae-fbf3b8096ae4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46658BF2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ooooohhhh...my husband promised me Italy for our 15th anniversary Do you think he'd go for it? ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:28 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? > > At 01:59 05/06/2007, you wrote: > > >For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: > > > >http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm > > > >--Robin > > The promo on the site shows costumes I made, and Janet > approved!! I would love to go, but hate to think what the > cost will be. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 12:22:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GMBcI016136 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:22:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55GM7w6000314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:22:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55GLQNa002119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:21:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GLNmR075896; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:21:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GLJ3B075854 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:21:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so438039ana for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:21:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=slMXPKliV8Dne5iy5hmNCqN+IjoFArKjsCjex8HQhHDbyvQtLaTdLnz+1iT9rCWLpe3ibY8AmfMh1Fy3BRCTymx6TQBrV7zVE8jFmCxZ55YMaHEa6rBn0Bty1eiYLAExRG3YmSZZlf20iV22m1vYmEUvonOWLFkp+0fi1cAoF50= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fFDTQ1avVYZCO8lE4LhmrIQskQfG6FWBclYs0QUdO3n3FLD9kZeb9QrFAXgv+tOBm175yn/aiXDVmV4Q9sVf+RpOkUwUyPdK9DADu+ln0O96niI0F4v1zrupiX2Kai2p7BxZ0dvX6GcXuHrn01Oa/W65F6Aqvb0oEBlDAEkvPz4= Received: by 10.101.66.11 with SMTP id t11mr3368225ank.1181060474392; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.122.2 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660706050921h65cc492i85e167454c05dc28@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:21:14 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? In-Reply-To: <002901c7a78c$77391c40$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070605082608.02691318@suziclarke.co.uk> <002901c7a78c$77391c40$6401a8c0@OurComputer> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b14b4a1-4361-4cfb-a247-d81fe85f66df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46658DAF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mari On 6/5/07, Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > Ooooohhhh...my husband promised me Italy for our 15th anniversary grin> Do you think he'd go for it? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 12:59:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GxMr7017715 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:59:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55GxI13017416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:59:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55GwSlL017155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:58:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GwNhb016802; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l55GwIZK016629 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:58:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52294 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2007 16:58:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qCQHVBSW0Hqu/uqc0fmh57hjclRSLy7VBKgBXovUraMsfQBQlCLaMtEaz8s6hMXVSoGLWSC7MCVM47kFGA8KZEf1HnMA35axNzO9UBmXSlzQorPb4kH6kJMEKbFUeyU03jAQN/dvbGkm47+VKDvYBkc7Mx6+80vIpog/RNMwIf0=; X-YMail-OSG: 09psZBgVM1nmS41NLHzWeZmiXsouHAkhsNo2CxA1k5mGGQ3Tuss6NDISUm4lx2BOQS9YllOWrVDCpMmgkoFLnkQU8jN4697QSoYWMeQqaluvu8x3jzMcN.iTAorsx5_ypjVDxoQLfrnlkQ-- Received: from [144.38.197.215] by web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 09:58:12 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:58:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <798600.52287.qm@web55302.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re:Off Topic- What is your day job? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4383cd77-8fe9-4547-919f-7f44553c052b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46659666.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I go to school part time, work at the Buckle altering part time, and do alterations out of my home mostly part time. I sew my own costumes and my husband's as well. We have lots of pioneer re-enactments here in Utah, and I sew those sometimes as well. Then in my "spare time" I quilt. Jodi --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 15:32:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JWB2D023902 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:32:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55JW7aw020397 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:32:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55JV3rJ066540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:31:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JUtoN077852; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from server024.dfw.nationwide.net (server024.dfw.nationwide.net [206.123.129.87]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l55FQtT7019113 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:26:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 2364 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2007 15:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO D1V3BRB1) (76.102.49.117) by server024.dfw.nationwide.net with SMTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:26:55 +0000 From: "Diana Habra" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:26:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c7a785$ee03bda0$0a00a8c0@D1V3BRB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0706050153k5bc354f4l1781261ebdcce702@mail.gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AceneThArer7J9ZCTYuatyRe+zTLUQADHLgg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=27% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ece7b3f0-2b9a-451c-b225-adb8da3f27a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4665BA37.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I second the hair canvas suggestion. I use it to stiffen all of my bodices and sleeves (if they need it). It is lightweight, gives a natural-looking stiffness, and breathes well. Diana P.S. I will be carrying it soon if you want to check back on my website in a few weeks. -- www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Be the change you want to see in the world" --Ghandi -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of michaela de bruce Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:54 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening > Is buckram washable? If not, what do you recommend I use to add some > stiffness to the collar? Buckram; never get it wet! I just recently managed to reshape my Stickelchen (headdress like Anne of Cleves wore) after it was deformed from water from the hoses putting out our housefire. It has still stretched but most of the shape is fine. But I also have a layer of felt and silk over mine so fine ripples can't really be noticed. I would recommend hair canvas. It's possibly called horse hair canvas in places but it's not relaly horse hair.. at least not only... It's a mottled grey colour and is reasonably easy to get. It's light weight and washable. After washing it loses a little stiffness but it sound slike it will still be quite ideal for a light linen. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 15:33:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JXDs5023954 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:33:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55JX9aM013125 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:33:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55JWc8j066918 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JWcBb079465; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:32:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55FaEYg028191 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 09:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.199.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.199]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hvb4u-00032u-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:36:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <46657C6B.8020509@kabelfoon.nl> References: <46657C6B.8020509@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <11B3F471-0197-4601-9F9F-199AC5A5E4BC@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Off Topic: What's your day job? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:36:46 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=35% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 471e6f6a-3e3e-4e14-91c6-1de268516166 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4665BA75.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Deredere, The BONE effects are AMAZING! How did you do that? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > I am trying to make a living with selling hand made Fantasy, Ghotic, > Lolita, Japanese street wear inspired clothing on line and on fantasy > fairs here in the Netherlands. > I also make wedding dresses And other costumes. > The last order I did was 10 dance costumes for a piece called Cabaret > for a Jazz dance group. > It was hard work but also a lot of fun. > Oh I forget the 15 little skirts and tops for the little children's > who > did a part from the musical Anny. > > I normally don't do historical costumes for others. They take too > much work. > But I love to make them for myself. And of course fantasy costumes. > The last one I made was a fast and low budget Corpse Bride. > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Lijkje.jpg > http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Lijkje2.jpg > > Since I started to make a living of it I don't make so much for myself > anymore. > Right now I need to invest a lot of money and time to make it work. > > Greetings, > Deredere > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 15:35:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JZr6S024070 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:35:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55JZnQX001088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:35:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55JZABJ067547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:35:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JZ7D1081747; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:35:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtai05.charter.net (mtai05.charter.net [209.225.8.185]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GOdtA078800 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lotsofteapots@charter.net) Received: from aa04.charter.net ([10.20.200.156]) by mtai05.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070605162422.LYLI1566.mtai05.charter.net@aa04.charter.net> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:24:22 -0400 Received: from OurComputer ([24.183.100.224]) by aa04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070605162422.IVZQ26958.aa04.charter.net@OurComputer> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:24:22 -0400 From: "Rebecca Schmitt" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:24:16 -0500 Message-ID: <002a01c7a78d$f6729440$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <431963.15975.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcenJdOo/5M8iV8+QCqGZN5mUtaI2QAZqgOA X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 89915030-10b9-48e1-a450-36551d8a5849 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4665BB15.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am a mother of a toddler and part-time communications coordinator at my church. Which means I, too, spend my husband's salary to make our costumes :) Since it was my costuming which won the Costume Contest for two years at our local Renn Faire and caught the attention of cast there; and that managed to hook us into being on the cast; and now my husband is the Guildemaster for our guilde, I think he's OK with that ;) ******************************************************************* Rebecca Schmitt aka Agness Cabot, Guilde of St. Lawrence Bristol Renaissance Faire My arms are too short to box with God. --Johnny Cash ******************************************************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com > [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Kimiko Small > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:58 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? > > I used to be an accountant, and I am now a full time stay at > home mother of two small kids. I enjoy taking on the > occasional costume commission to pay for some things, and > otherwise spend my husband's money to make up costumes for > myself, and my family. Thankfully, he supports my habit, > knowing it is who I am, what I love to do, and that I will > make him look good in costumes, too. > > Kimiko > > > --- Jennifer Byrne wrote: > > I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks > on this list > > do not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is > > this true? > > If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical > > clothing? > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ______________________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 15:37:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Jb5oI024112 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:37:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Jb1fT022542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:37:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55JaPpm067884 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JaM0X082939; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:36:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55GUpoR085056 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.199.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.199]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Hvbvl-0004Uk-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:30:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <400B6293-036A-4740-BE52-D9D1371A2C5F@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:32:05 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=30% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bd7626ee-3498-4522-9485-3ac8130f6a75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4665BB5D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Might as well join the queue! Until I lost my full-time tenured position in the English department of a university that decided to "downsize" its faculty by forcing a strike and then hiring permanent replacements (70 tenured faculty lost their jobs in this, the ONLY venture into using that Taft- Hartley provision against a college faculty), my only sewing was clothing for myself and family--work outfits for myself, wedding gowns for my sisters, other gift garments. I was also a self-styled "queen of string"--knitting, crocheting, quilting, bobbin lace, embroidery, a little weaving, tatting, all sporadically but all with great satisfaction. Turned into part-time faculty member at multiple universities (for the budget and the being useful) and also a budding director in community theater (for the self-respect and the soul). To use my education (concentration in Elizabethan and Jacobean drama), I chose to mount plays from those periods, and later from Restoration and 18th century as well. To COSTUME those plays on a miniscule production budget, I became an amateur costumer on the fly. And what fun that's been! It's also been a lot of fun for the other domestic clothing-makers I've dragooned into service--they've loved the sewing challenges and the chance to work with fancy fabrics and trims (thank goodness for stores named things like Affordable Fabrics and Discount Fabrics, plus a few compassionate purveyors of decorator fabrics!). These costumes aimed for historical "line" and "look" but not necessarily for authenticity--which, as I've noted in a number of postings, is the prioritizing theatrical costuming has to do. I also costumed an early-music ensemble, and made his-and-her costumes for a partner and me to play King and Queen of Yore for a "medieval banquet" fund-raiser at a church in Torrington, CT. I've just landed a Visiting Assistant Professorship at one of the universities where I've been teaching part-time, so for the next year (or, if I'm lucky, two) I may find myself with a little more free time than I had when carrying anywhere from 3 to 6 classes a semester and also doing a couple of other part-time jobs, including editing a newsletter for the Connecticut Conference of the American Association of University Professors (I'll continue with that one). There's also been a power shift at the community theater where I've done most of my period directing (as one Associate Board member characterized it, "the rats are steering the ship"), and I expect to be taking a break from directing there. With this free time I think I will embark on something more historically authentic for myself. With no particular deadline, it should be a very enjoyable project, and my first real opportunity to apply the lessons I'm constantly learning from the wonderful people on this list. Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > > In a message dated 05/06/2007 03:10:39 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >> 2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a >> project! >> >> I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this >> list do >> not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is >> this >> true? >> If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical >> clothing? >> >> I am an attorney by day but I am fascinated with all types of >> historical >> clothing from about the 15th century through the 19th. Someday I >> will >> focus >> on one time period but I haven't yet. >> >> Jennifer > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 15:38:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Jc5wm024160 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:38:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Jc2j1001851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:38:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55JbaWd068240 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:37:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JbWQe084155; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:37:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Ggvat098674 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 10:42:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c71.13c5a61f (39332) for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:42:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:42:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c296acb5-d5e8-4368-8c40-4a9702c1cabf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4665BB9A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO oh I know that feeling!! Nige insisted I took last thursday evening off to go to the pictures - first evening off in about a month :o) In a message dated 05/06/2007 15:03:40 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Until I decided I'd had enough and started planning my retirement I was a full time professional costume maker, and when I say full time, that often included evenings and weekends. Therefore I have loads of personal projects unfinished, because I do not like sewing for me and my family when I have been sewing for others all week. Suzi oh I know that feeling!! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 15:41:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JfUWM024298 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:41:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55JfQH8015920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:41:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55Jdo9F068977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:39:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Jdm6x086536; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:39:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rocky.itasca.net (polly.itasca.net [12.157.198.253]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55IYEKx021739 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:34:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from pixel@itasca.net) Received: from pixel (helo=localhost) by itasca.net with local-esmtp (Exim 4.63 and XAMS 0.0.15) id 1Hvdgp-0001ql-8d for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:23:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:23:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Pixel, Goddess and Queen" X-X-Sender: pixel@rocky.itasca.net To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0705301723m23db34dctf9e98651deb03143@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <583850.28283.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8296995c0705301723m23db34dctf9e98651deb03143@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Itasca-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: pixel@itasca.net X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] silk finish question X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f06b2d0-ff94-407f-9a01-563cb6f99e33 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4665BC67.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I need to get some silk for sleeve linings, and those are my options in the color I want. many thanks, Jen/Pixel _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 15:43:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JhImJ024381 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:43:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55JhECj003715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:43:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55JflvS069613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:41:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Jfgcl088654; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:41:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.200.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JfMmZ088159 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2007060519411601400dbuqae>; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:41:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <4208D03A-1BFC-4A84-BE0F-99BD31B4928F@netspeed.com.au> References: <4208D03A-1BFC-4A84-BE0F-99BD31B4928F@netspeed.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 22:26:10 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b8ee0c99-ef1c-4f15-b106-0b97b94c4caf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4665BCD2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If you need a sample I can > send some across. > > Cheers, Aylwen > http://www.bordonia.org > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 15:54:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JsCiE025373 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:54:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Js8XW023539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:54:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55JrbON072881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:53:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JrZdf000840; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:53:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta15.adelphia.net (mta15.mail.adelphia.net [68.168.78.77]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JrVJN000716 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladysayher@adelphia.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [76.100.217.211]) by mta15.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20070605195325.ZGYB21462.mta15.adelphia.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:53:25 -0400 Message-ID: <4665BFDE.7080106@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:56:14 -0400 From: Gail User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd163ce7-3f64-4ed1-8ad5-1121c6c4747b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4665BF60.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sincerely, Lady Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 16:05:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55K5lVK025874 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:05:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55K5hFi003020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:05:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55K00ns074564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:00:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JxvOo006887; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:59:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55JxpdY006730 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:59:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1494.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.216]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328D2341D3F for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:59:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4665C0B6.3050909@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:59:50 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] was( What's your day job?) Bone effect References: <46657C6B.8020509@kabelfoon.nl> <11B3F471-0197-4601-9F9F-199AC5A5E4BC@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <11B3F471-0197-4601-9F9F-199AC5A5E4BC@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=17% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64db3885-f8cf-438d-9e6a-343c909c54ec X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4665C218.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is how I made all the bone effects. Take a a pair white of tights. Use one leg for the leg and make the other in to a glove. The bones on the arm and leg are painted on with black paint. Everywhere there should be shadow you paint it with shades of black paint. To make it a little more nasty paint one layer of latex over it. (this will make the tights less stretchy and it will fit not fit as perfect as before but it makes it looks dead.) For the bones on the dress.. Don't read this when you are a vegetarian! You buy some yummy spare ribs put them in an oven at 130 degrees Celsius. After about 45 minutes when the flesh almost falls from the bones you take them out. Make some potato's and some vegetables of whatever you like to eat with your spare ribs. Note: watch out! Do not to eat your fingers we don't need those bones! After your very yummy dinner you search for three nicely clean bones. You lay those three in a bowl of warm water and clean them after a wile with a brush. To get them white you can put the in a bowl with some bleach but not too long! Just two or three minutes. Clean them with water and let them dry. Then you can glue them on. And for some more deadly effect you can paint some latex on. Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: > Deredere, > > The BONE effects are AMAZING! How did you do that? > > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > >> I am trying to make a living with selling hand made Fantasy, Ghotic, >> Lolita, Japanese street wear inspired clothing on line and on fantasy >> fairs here in the Netherlands. >> I also make wedding dresses And other costumes. >> The last order I did was 10 dance costumes for a piece called Cabaret >> for a Jazz dance group. >> It was hard work but also a lot of fun. >> Oh I forget the 15 little skirts and tops for the little children's who >> did a part from the musical Anny. >> >> I normally don't do historical costumes for others. They take too >> much work. >> But I love to make them for myself. And of course fantasy costumes. >> The last one I made was a fast and low budget Corpse Bride. >> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Lijkje.jpg >> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Lijkje2.jpg >> >> Since I started to make a living of it I don't make so much for myself >> anymore. >> Right now I need to invest a lot of money and time to make it work. >> >> Greetings, >> Deredere >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 16:08:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55K8EkT025997 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:08:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55K8BcB028783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:08:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55K7jYK076071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:07:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55K7CfM013878; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:07:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55K791S013821 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:07:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from khanson@kc.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-01 (ms-mss-01-smtp-a [10.15.8.21]) by ms-smtp-04.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l55K76oW006628 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:07:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from rdc-kc.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JJ60055DIJVH8@ms-mss-01.rdc-kc.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:07:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.15.6.151] (Forwarded-For: [168.137.100.21]) by ms-mss-01.rdc-kc.rr.com (mshttpd); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:07:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:07:07 -0500 From: khanson@kc.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI In-reply-to: <4665BFDE.7080106@adelphia.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <4665BFDE.7080106@adelphia.net> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33c53c48-e6eb-4868-9f14-70735d10b3bf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4665C2AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Right. I applied about 18 months ago for a passport, and paid for the expedited service. They got it to me in a week under three months, despite assuring me that the expedited service would get it to me in less than two weeks. I missed a free 2-month-long trip to Europe because of it. Yes, I'm still bitter about that one. Talia ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:57 pm Subject: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI To: h-costume@indra.com > The passport agency has not even processed applications from > January and > February. My son is supposed to leave this Sunday for Ireland and > applied for a renewed passport on April 24th with using expedited > service. It has not arrived and I had to call the state > department task > force for passports to see what was going on. It's still there > and they > have tagged it to be done but they cannot guarantee it will be > done and > here by the 9th. So, if you need a passport you need to apply at > least > 6 months in advance if not more than that. > > Sincerely, > Lady Margaret > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 16:10:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55KALPl026109 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:10:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55KAHAi008126 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:10:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55K9xLL076554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55K9wT8016484; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55K9slk016422 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.4.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.4]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HvfLk-0006Eq-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:09:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <4665C0B6.3050909@kabelfoon.nl> References: <46657C6B.8020509@kabelfoon.nl> <11B3F471-0197-4601-9F9F-199AC5A5E4BC@mindspring.com> <4665C0B6.3050909@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0FB23EC2-68BF-4489-959B-925FBC62EEE3@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] was( What's your day job?) Bone effect Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:11:08 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f55a40c9-fb56-4195-9311-04145973fd23 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4665C329.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks very much for this information, Deredere~! --Ruth Anne On Jun 5, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Deredere Galbraith wrote: > This is how I made all the bone effects. > > Take a a pair white of tights. Use one leg for the leg and make the > other in to a glove. > The bones on the arm and leg are painted on with black paint. > Everywhere there should be shadow you paint it with shades of black > paint. To make it a little more nasty paint one layer of latex over > it. (this will make the tights less stretchy and it will fit not > fit as perfect as before but it makes it looks dead.) > > For the bones on the dress.. > Don't read this when you are a vegetarian! > > You buy some yummy spare ribs put them in an oven at 130 degrees > Celsius. > After about 45 minutes when the flesh almost falls from the bones > you take them out. > Make some potato's and some vegetables of whatever you like to eat > with your spare ribs. > Note: watch out! Do not to eat your fingers we don't need those bones! > After your very yummy dinner you search for three nicely clean bones. > You lay those three in a bowl of warm water and clean them after a > wile with a brush. > To get them white you can put the in a bowl with some bleach but > not too long! > Just two or three minutes. Clean them with water and let them dry. > Then you can glue them on. And for some more deadly effect you can > paint some latex on. > > Ruth Anne Baumgartner wrote: >> Deredere, >> >> The BONE effects are AMAZING! How did you do that? >> >> --Ruth Anne Baumgartner >> scholar gypsy and amateur costumer >> >> On Jun 5, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Deredere Galbraith wrote: >> >>> I am trying to make a living with selling hand made Fantasy, Ghotic, >>> Lolita, Japanese street wear inspired clothing on line and on >>> fantasy >>> fairs here in the Netherlands. >>> I also make wedding dresses And other costumes. >>> The last order I did was 10 dance costumes for a piece called >>> Cabaret >>> for a Jazz dance group. >>> It was hard work but also a lot of fun. >>> Oh I forget the 15 little skirts and tops for the little >>> children's who >>> did a part from the musical Anny. >>> >>> I normally don't do historical costumes for others. They take too >>> much work. >>> But I love to make them for myself. And of course fantasy costumes. >>> The last one I made was a fast and low budget Corpse Bride. >>> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Lijkje.jpg >>> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/Lijkje2.jpg >>> >>> Since I started to make a living of it I don't make so much for >>> myself >>> anymore. >>> Right now I need to invest a lot of money and time to make it work. >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Deredere >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> h-costume mailing list >>> h-costume@mail.indra.com >>> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 16:32:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55KW0Su027087 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:32:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55KVvLP005970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:32:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55KQ6rT078932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:26:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55KQ3i2033534; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:26:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (cantva.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55KPuEK033382 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:25:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31339) id <01MHGN67D5W0BXJ8J3@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:25:50 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.2-X27 #31339) with ESMTP id <01MHGN6632DYBYRQL4@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:25:50 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:25:39 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Off topic: What's your day job? In-reply-to: <7d21ac190706050636g34ec4014n85cb2f9c23ccc2a0@mail.gmail.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4665C6C3.5030907@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <7d21ac190706050636g34ec4014n85cb2f9c23ccc2a0@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 879c787a-32b2-4caa-af7c-f8a3d4aa90fb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4665C83D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I don't really have any fixed idea of how much of my hobby activities I should do, and I don't have a high rate of output. Sometimes I get home from work and get a lot done, and sometimes I don't. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 16:46:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Kk8co027799 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:46:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Kk4LU015702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:46:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55KiXfV083744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55KiR3d053798; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:44:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55KiMZs053606 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:44:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14283D16E8 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:44:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4665CB57.9000703@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:45:11 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI References: <4665BFDE.7080106@adelphia.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ce04d273-34c3-42f0-8013-f53fef4b7889 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4665CB8C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, they're not all taking that long. My husband lost his, and when we still had not found it three weeks before our November '06 trip to London, we expedited a new one and got it within ten days. (Guess what we found as soon as we got back?) Although, his was a replacement and not a new one. If you're in a real hurry I recommend: http://www.passportsandvisas.com/ We used them in 99 for our honeymoon passports when the passport agent at the post office told us it was taking longer than 12 weeks for normal applications. As that was cutting it too close to the wedding, we paid the exorbitant rates to have them hand-carried through. Dawn khanson@kc.rr.com wrote: > Right. I applied about 18 months ago for a passport, and paid for the > expedited service. They got it to me in a week under three months, > despite assuring me that the expedited service would get it to me in > less than two weeks. I missed a free 2-month-long trip to Europe > because of it. Yes, I'm still bitter about that one. > > Talia > > >>The passport agency has not even processed applications from >>January and >>February. My son is supposed to leave this Sunday for Ireland and >>applied for a renewed passport on April 24th with using expedited >>service. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 16:51:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Kp6T8028005 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:51:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Kp2EE004595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:51:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55Knc5D084548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:49:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55KnZr3058656; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:49:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55KnUdu058539 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:49:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rapierlady@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pTjwpXAg9JSQ9WG/t6of+DeIH+Z1S2uIwQ4E8Mwp6Z9hAVM9TYdSiqxre5Lt55KG; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.47] (helo=elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Hvfy1-00043m-5j for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:49:25 -0400 Received: from 76.180.2.105 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:49:24 -0400 Message-ID: <28016560.1181076565168.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:49:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Wendy Colbert To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 0a030519c2a4ee4cf8c10fa22fe64701239a348a220c2609666b0e562e87c0fb1afa2cdf1547b98fa7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.47 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: net.indra.com 101; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ab570097-a31d-49ba-9435-ca9dea07e498 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4665CCB6.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO We applied for our passports at the post office this year (2 for adults that had expired passports and a new one for a minor) in early February and received them in May. Wendy -----Original Message----- >From: Dawn >Sent: Jun 5, 2007 4:45 PM >To: Historical Costume >Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI > >Well, they're not all taking that long. My husband lost his, and when we >still had not found it three weeks before our November '06 trip to >London, we expedited a new one and got it within ten days. (Guess what >we found as soon as we got back?) Although, his was a replacement and >not a new one. > >If you're in a real hurry I recommend: http://www.passportsandvisas.com/ > >We used them in 99 for our honeymoon passports when the passport agent >at the post office told us it was taking longer than 12 weeks for normal >applications. As that was cutting it too close to the wedding, we paid >the exorbitant rates to have them hand-carried through. > > >Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 16:52:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55Kq1xI028039 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:52:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Kpv2x022490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:52:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55KkYlU084050 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55KkUI4055642; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:46:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.113]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l55KkGTD055362 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:46:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from caitlin_oduibhir@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 17759 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2007 20:46:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=UowJZbAUVNIKQInoHFcEbtycDeRKO/y+F/G3+s0nKROgMwF9QDc3qqewk5o85/XCadC+NuZYtNE7e9t1Gc7cB+eET5gOzRYp+Y6NvQ+HjuwGykNkPtlAmoxVSADUEwgUJNXlyJGk+HdEYw1VnekhlpNMiJhGrqYW3kBReWJbtgI=; X-YMail-OSG: uXVczt0VM1nzrYl0I43zSzahQj6Ppi1z7WMuMKSSjDQAAIgRUR0xMaGey8q.TDbVAg-- Received: from [74.114.43.209] by web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:46:10 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.23.1 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.14 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 13:46:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathy Page To: Historical Costume List MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <951638.17729.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Florence 2008 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: dcfca819-81c8-4faa-bd69-0efe84ef507f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4665CCED.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Answers and share what you kn= ow at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 17:33:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55LXg9c029742 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:33:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55LXcOc020217 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:33:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55LWtsw092685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55LWk5u099135; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:32:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l55LWfDu098803 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:32:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2842 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2007 21:32:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=m0sxHxnjwNPX+Siu7eOqyoFdHas/e88AWbfY+Phlinb4TCpjtLDr+QiPzdMH1rm84Xfa4gsQgRXHcVDj+FW30tYia9Zy41cM267at58YAXfBbhP3F2ZfpWPbPO4jz9g0WPG+Ta4bfqdwW5YRy+5uGEGN5MoeqxovmtjQPsVKudE=; X-YMail-OSG: M59Ho7gVM1n.4r4hm4lA9NYRevdPGYcQAB3Zms8RLLcnKxSjuOYPg49BJN2vLVsEZkXhPjZbc1ESUlKAuTRXkPlQT9JGRE274zJAgc39nBqNx7AGUvXH_4LjfQ25Lg-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:32:34 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <002a01c7a78d$f6729440$6401a8c0@OurComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <49379.2510.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd6d0cde-1b47-4e3f-8a42-dcb9a46bc5f2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4665D6B2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's kinda amusing to me Rebecca... not only do we both have similar current day jobs as mommies, but I used to be a guildmistress myself, but my husband will never let me become one again! (I got too stressed out sometimes). But thank goodness they love our costuming, yes? Kimiko --- Rebecca Schmitt wrote: > and now > my husband is the > Guildemaster for our guilde, I think he's OK with > that ;) > > ******************************************************************* > Rebecca Schmitt ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 17:35:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55LZF1Q029813 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:35:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55LZB3o032142 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:35:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55LYaPv093905 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:34:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55LYXV8001959; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:34:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55LYShL001848 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:34:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1773646wxc for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:34:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=kwpPVj0DiqndWAyHpHZmPqS6RZL80BrBXjhEo6gGpmSShmz+nLFmufej5PT6+TPTjy4mVPP8G3Qtb5GiN0So/ojuxuq+FUQ53wRK86n90cBH6gKTApkzmWZqpDU+Rqa3i1K7bwuQmMuKfX7DHS1+eimmtZKcFotNzGN5m06mqqQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=QtudON2JsM26vJp8apnUZgoWta85eOy6i1UH0ubRwbmT3+URZe3x9CXIj0CEt4EvUV6MWlk7abU8DxOhW89RCihQI1SWxU4l9cc/8Rx7eD7I+f6UKZxNd1gUarY1NlUVe9P9T6AWbca5iP+f9YPSIuxScaAHzKPJJfClKiAovPE= Received: by 10.70.80.6 with SMTP id d6mr9868217wxb.1181079267626; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 6sm1926840wrh.2007.06.05.14.34.27; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9bbc01c7a7b9$51079bf0$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <28016560.1181076565168.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 16:32:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8b636103-6bf3-4625-a58a-3f7cd5248e1a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4665D70F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My husband went through an agency in Plano Texas that got it back to him in a week. Yes, he paid extra for it but it was back in a _w e e k_. My point is that there are services out there that are expediters, they are independent of the US Postal Service. They can get it done faster, I do not know how or why but they do. Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Colbert" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI > We applied for our passports at the post office this year (2 for adults > that had expired passports and a new one for a minor) in early February > and received them in May. > Wendy > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Dawn >>Sent: Jun 5, 2007 4:45 PM >>To: Historical Costume >>Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI >> >>Well, they're not all taking that long. My husband lost his, and when we >>still had not found it three weeks before our November '06 trip to >>London, we expedited a new one and got it within ten days. (Guess what >>we found as soon as we got back?) Although, his was a replacement and >>not a new one. >> >>If you're in a real hurry I recommend: http://www.passportsandvisas.com/ >> >>We used them in 99 for our honeymoon passports when the passport agent >>at the post office told us it was taking longer than 12 weeks for normal >>applications. As that was cutting it too close to the wedding, we paid >>the exorbitant rates to have them hand-carried through. >> >> >>Dawn > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 17:47:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55LluRC030299 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:47:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l55Llqak015320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:47:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l55LlOn8095879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55LlKZr013996; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:47:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l55LlDwY013903 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 15:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8031B3F0344; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:39:15 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 14:47:23 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c7a7bb$1a03ad40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a271fa0f-6566-417d-ad96-9e47d4b8d5fa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4665DA08.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have heard that if you go to the Passport office itself, you can walk it through. That was years ago, don't know if it works today. My son applied for his first passport on May 3 of this year. It arrived in the mail 8 days later. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of khanson@kc.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:07 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI Right. I applied about 18 months ago for a passport, and paid for the expedited service. They got it to me in a week under three months, despite assuring me that the expedited service would get it to me in less than two weeks. I missed a free 2-month-long trip to Europe because of it. Yes, I'm still bitter about that one. Talia ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:57 pm Subject: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI To: h-costume@indra.com > The passport agency has not even processed applications from > January and > February. My son is supposed to leave this Sunday for Ireland and > applied for a renewed passport on April 24th with using expedited > service. It has not arrived and I had to call the state > department task > force for passports to see what was going on. It's still there > and they > have tagged it to be done but they cannot guarantee it will be > done and > here by the 9th. So, if you need a passport you need to apply at > least > 6 months in advance if not more than that. > > Sincerely, > Lady Margaret > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 21:10:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l561A1ND002598 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:10:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5619vab008377 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:10:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5619D6d018837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:09:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56197uY060572; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:09:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56194kT060499 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7A7D7.433FD6A4" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence 2008 Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:07:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Florence 2008 Thread-Index: Acens3K9RIdJUx1rRHy+ZPaYm8xzEwAI6vNn References: <951638.17729.qm@web52110.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b6956472-8a8f-4a80-8bbe-16ddd90bb7b6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46660965.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A7D7.433FD6A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's great, thank you for checking! If anyone's starting a list, = please add me to it-- luckily, it falls between exhibition installations = at work so I can go!! Astrida Schaeffer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Kathy Page Sent: Tue 6/5/2007 4:46 PM To: Historical Costume List Subject: [h-cost] Florence 2008 =20 I called a friend of mine who happens to own a travel company, and = explained to her the details. She will do some checking around for group = rates, minimum of 10 travellers for accomodation and airfare and = anything else we may need to know about. When she gets back to me, I'll = let you know. She said because it's so far in advance, we are more = likely to get ball park estimates for now, but its a starting point. Kathy =20 Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a = rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules.=20 It's never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach e=F3lais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge.=20 Where the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art. -Leonardo da Vinci Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go = to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A7D7.433FD6A4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A7D7.433FD6A4-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 21:38:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l561cUWM003110 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:38:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l561cQrA011417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:38:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l561c889022748 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:38:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l561c6kh077946; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:38:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l561c4YD077919 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:38:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so1177444wra for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:38:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tcMMj1SHSxpw2AgKz/5BhjbNvfpHS3CTC8N37TFPLMmTDJC1ssHMoIpUHmzXzgRIihNf+5ktUOuGa46v2L4/JSEDPC7Jq6GA+4Z0EWPy0wGipK3ywb6E/Uxf2U3jlEWQPtMg7TE1vgwLP18SNLuHLK6491YdtHTP/wIDqB+H5+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DE+hlCjwK1XeNKG7fl1nxbD/qoeC/dKwx8qDS3kzVZ/tpJRnJCGbQ45vylnf/tGmHozgzYnXK6dICD3iYh748DKLZnMUJPV9O4LxO14ZNlsi053+/3bmKkgp4snVXLiq6Gf9Y0FrlNk9pBe8ygjRRV4iA8vbVGhfhdr6mpg8JGE= Received: by 10.143.1.2 with SMTP id d2mr207wfi.1181093883411; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 18:38:03 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - SJ to Vallejo carpool X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0b242fff-0686-4758-bfd7-e5d8266e6f41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46661012.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The costumes are, like vintage dance, my artistic outlet. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 21:42:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l561ghKl003192 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:42:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l561gdJg013029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:42:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l561gCdN023358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l561gCmM080379; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:42:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l561g8Na080294 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:42:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JJ600AUZY1U0WZ0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:41:49 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francai In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20070605130431.0269c6e8@suziclarke.co.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6e1915a-b9fc-4a18-99ee-9aec4dff8562 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4666110F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My background was theatrical costume (MA and BA in theatre. ) 25 years as a fashion designer-- primarily swimwear (bathing suits), gowns, kids clothes and mens pull-over jackets. Now I teach fashion: sewing, fashion history etc in a college. For fun-- when I'm not writing, I make 16th C clothes for my husband and me for the SCA. Monica (Baroness Catriona MacDuff OL, OP in the SCA) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 22:22:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l562MOjN003961 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:22:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l562MK6J029591 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:22:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l562LobB029190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:21:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l562Lmf7004294; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l561QfhT071099 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:26:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKpCa-1HvkIJ23cm-0001cC; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:26:40 -0400 Message-ID: <008701c7a7d9$b3bf50b0$6401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <49379.2510.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:26:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18E+nCQOld9nNusc8pCr2CO1Q7pDuklQUZnD1o ccoZVDB3AemDpTJYMUEshJZYwQPyrBAbfaOL/vMW58tB94Dd5f QOoAtf8kE2WG4P/OjU1AA== X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=21% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 26914cc1-37f5-4a37-bbd6-515ec793e12b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46661A5C.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I loved this topic when it came around years ago... then, if I remember correctly, there were a lot of computer programmers on this list. It is fun to see what everyone does. Again, I am taking a few minutes from grading papers and tests for my three-week fashion history class summer semester that covers 1830-1970s. My best class description this is fashion history on speed. I find myself talking so fast, I am reverting back to my Southern Mississippi accent by blending the end of a word into the beginning of the next word. LOL, my students ask, "How is that word spelled?" I am getting really good spelling fashion terms out to my students. Grades go in next Tuesday and then my week long party starts for my 50th birthday! I want to show you all some photos of my two students today. We had a guest speaker who furnishes wardrobes for films in Virginia. She dressed some of my students in costumes. My students were thrilled to the point of being silly and giggly. It is one thing to show them an image or costume. I wanted them to know what it feels like to wear the costume. http://www.costumegallery.com/VCU/summer/P1050840lg.jpg http://www.costumegallery.com/VCU/summer/P1050842lg.jpg These two ladies came back in class and grabbed their Jackie-O style sunglasses. They went around the main area of the campus with their sunglasses on pretending to be movie stars. They went to the area of the campus with the university's 5-foot tall initials, VCU, and people were taking their photographs. What hams!!! Two weeks ago they didn't know what a crinoline hoop or bustle dress was! I went into professional costume 10 years ago in my senior year (decade #3) of college. Back then the IRS didn't not have a title for my category of business. Now it is web publishing. I do a little bit of everything but sit behind a sewing machine. I own the Gallery websites, teach online through my business and as an adjunct professor, professional dressing, and research for various instutions and forms of communication sources. This past year I have expanded into photographing large costume collections to go online. I just go with the flow. I never get away from my business since everyone wears clothing. I cover all areas of fashion past, present, and future. Even on vacation I can't get away. While crabbing on Virginia's Eastern Shore, I am watching what the fisherman are wearing and the bathing suits on the beach. My only time away is floating down the James River on a tube. Generally I work until 5 or 6 am. I go to bed when England is at work. I started these hours when a college student, the last decade. I can get a week of 9-5pm work accomplished in one day of midnight to 6 am. Everyday for the first week of this summer class, I would walk in and state, "Do you know I hate mornings!" My class is 9 am to noon. A friend did her master's thesis on people's creativity level and sleep hours. Her conclusion was that most creative people do their best work after midnight. Off to eat dinner and back to grading papers. Thanks for the fun! LOL, I refuse to check my spelling or grammar in this message... I am saving it for my students' papers. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 22:53:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l562rSj5004678 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:53:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l562rOI9031698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:53:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l562qf7S032355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l562qddX024811; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:52:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l562qbum024759 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garbaholic@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so8870waf for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:52:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ROf69h3+baWVXV4A5mlgZRkQyd292YtDnpcGHb0VYKAzavWlH6h5uTMnuLJPL2aTaarPwzEdlwOFHxrnAiGQdKAUv5CyqpJ35vnNY/vX9ulKaenAgP7hlewG/P80B/JOGpmk9VDscThkVwWP8UHowrJP9EEmdLvrO3WjIzGzFgg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VNSlcY9d1O91/Td0axw8nfu71wU8AuRyY1Coo208LbQU7MJrcY6WUwj+O3jZKTekCAVb3AZ7KLB+JpOpvofHlYL0lj3PIkoNAuhhgmeKzs77ABw+nNt/w5hwbD4Gfx2+y3lw2Dc7HLORxx1rRGNu+WQCbYPWdXKgvOyrkWaKR3g= Received: by 10.114.177.1 with SMTP id z1mr61958wae.1181098354273; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.46.10 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <870801590706051952h2d642035s2622306f2be6380d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:52:34 -0500 From: "Alexandria Doyle" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI In-Reply-To: <001a01c7a7bb$1a03ad40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001a01c7a7bb$1a03ad40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c249a32-d9c0-4f49-b62e-bb79e6eb33e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 466621A4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You can still do this in the Houston Texas office. There's a phone line you can call to get an appointment, but there's no guarantee you'll get an appointment. I've had one co-worker who went to Houston and got his done in one day. Another spent the money on a service and couldn't get the passport for his newborn daughter. With less than two days to the flight home to Morocco they took the baby to stand in the lines at the passport office. He said it took a couple of hours, but they got the passport. another friend whose daughter travels regularly every summer said that she was warned that if the passport is within six months of expiration, you can't leave the country on it. alex On 6/5/07, Sharon Collier wrote: > I have heard that if you go to the Passport office itself, you can walk it > through. That was years ago, don't know if it works today. > My son applied for his first passport on May 3 of this year. It arrived in > the mail 8 days later. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of khanson@kc.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:07 PM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI > > > Right. I applied about 18 months ago for a passport, and paid for the > expedited service. They got it to me in a week under three months, > despite assuring me that the expedited service would get it to me in > less than two weeks. I missed a free 2-month-long trip to Europe > because of it. Yes, I'm still bitter about that one. > > Talia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail > Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:57 pm > Subject: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI > To: h-costume@indra.com > > > The passport agency has not even processed applications from > > January and > > February. My son is supposed to leave this Sunday for Ireland and > > applied for a renewed passport on April 24th with using expedited > > service. It has not arrived and I had to call the state > > department task > > force for passports to see what was going on. It's still there > > and they > > have tagged it to be done but they cannot guarantee it will be > > done and > > here by the 9th. So, if you need a passport you need to apply at > > least > > 6 months in advance if not more than that. > > > > Sincerely, > > Lady Margaret > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- I can handle anything that life throws at me. I may not be able to handle it well, or correctly, or gracefully, or with finesse, or expediently -- but I will handle it. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 22:58:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l562w45V004787 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:58:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l562voUF019877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:58:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l562vQtf032768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:57:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l562vP2i027572; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:57:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l562vMD6027497 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:57:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RKS9f1s0fnh55OxU3aTgI0TjdyY/JSaZ25+UQ0M4HHonZKxd9bxL5v0e5bqWS1Go; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.164.169.119] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Hvli1-0001JG-K3 for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:57:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <001a01c7a7bb$1a03ad40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <001a01c7a7bb$1a03ad40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <236A2D83-4EA7-4C7C-9399-6BD8AA47B86C@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 19:57:20 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478ef9d46f14f0b08bad933a9743036da0d1f2d6db339f9f0fe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.169.119 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 649fd0e1-5114-4a16-8b87-1604f0acdbed X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 466622AE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jun 5, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Sharon Collier wrote: > I have heard that if you go to the Passport office itself, you can > walk it > through. That was years ago, don't know if it works today. > My son applied for his first passport on May 3 of this year. It > arrived in > the mail 8 days later. (WIth the understanding that this is all relevant only to U.S. list members ....) This is true -- however when I was trying to get a passport in a hurry back in March, the earliest one could get the required advance appointment was a month in the future. (I ended up going the expedited-by-mail route and received my passport within IIRC three weeks. Alas, in the mean time, my company decided not to send me off on a business trip to Puerto Rico and England after all.) There's a general take-home message: if you think there's the slightest chance that you might have occasion to travel outside the country -- ever -- go ahead and apply for a passport now when a long delay won't ruin any plans. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 23:22:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563Mi5V005302 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:22:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l563MeQx029720 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:22:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l563Li8O036933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:21:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563Lfkv043281; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:21:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outJ.internet-mail-service.net (outJ.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563Lc07043238 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:21:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:21:37 -0700 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id 7499A125ADA; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:21:37 -0700 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? Message-ID: <20070606032137.GA40192@idiom.com> References: <001d01c7a5dd$5cd2e8f0$f443a150@CPQ21932199711> <000e01c7a5f8$954b21f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <002c01c7a611$f63fa710$de6ea450@CPQ21932199711> <000101c7a70c$3ed633e0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000101c7a70c$3ed633e0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4dbe9bb7-9a1a-4b5b-a5e4-424274e48d89 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46662880.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 04 Jun 2007, Jennifer Byrne wrote: > I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do > not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this true? > If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical clothing? I suppose this is as good a time as any to delurk... I work for a biotech company in Silicon Valley. Paying for my sewing hobby comes out of our budget along with everything else. Finding time to sew is more difficult, especially with a new baby, but deadlines, mostly SF conventions, do wonders, as does having a very patient wife. I've been fascinated by history since I was a child, starting with the English Regency and spreading outwards. The need to build historical clothing sprang from this, though I've only been sewing properly for a few years now. I too find Bjarne a great inspiration. -- Chris Bertani http://www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 23:23:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563NxWS005329 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:23:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l563NtRg003729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:23:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l563NWfO037111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:23:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563NVbc044285; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:23:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563NSlS044198 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.20]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:23:22 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:23:22 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:23:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.133.199.144] X-Originating-Email: [praxis_729@hotmail.com] X-Sender: praxis_729@hotmail.com From: "Paula Praxis" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:23:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2007 03:23:22.0639 (UTC) FILETIME=[0977F1F0:01C7A7EA] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your day job?; Was: robe a la francaise grande panier. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0a0450e-ca0b-46b5-9edf-b8e8a306a8ba X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466628CB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I make theater costumes for our local high school and community theater. True it would not support me if I had to live off the income but the small amount I do make lets me buy better fabrics to make gowns for sale in other places. _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 23:37:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563bEk8005561 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:37:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l563bAXu001558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:37:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l563aWdx038281 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:36:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563aU3c051844; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:36:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.146]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l563aRYt051746 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:36:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58406 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2007 03:36:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ItaMjW8gYpieRA2Pbwgdo3dHr4i2e08T8TXsGjxDAe9IkgAXPs+Ll09LEjNP2TpMm/AezWaBxuABzZ8va07V3TyzSZXttFA2YO4JYxq9hMg17RcD5Y75hDGbxFja1N+rB6pXCWyecL1Y0sKjeZlHJcAajPCmZbPExRb0K3sz6j4=; X-YMail-OSG: oL87zUYVM1na61NvJU1Uqd9JdPPxnBEXPCTA7R19wmc0RzaC6VQMXbyzxJaLIYdJNGsfEb7T_3aPX.nv0NGaSTAJsz1LR4OU.qhid6VdTvoANxbAw1Mue8OQDvAMvA-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:36:21 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 20:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20070606032137.GA40192@idiom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <759300.58372.qm@web32215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 80faabb4-bc07-49d0-b6e1-a6260f82e706 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46662BE6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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The need to > build historical > clothing sprang from this, though I've only been > sewing properly for a > few years now. > > I too find Bjarne a great inspiration. > > -- Chris Bertani > http://www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 5 23:39:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563dW9Y005600 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:39:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l563dTBO007314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 23:39:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l563csDO038549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563csdZ053234; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:38:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l563coPq053152 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:38:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CADBD1708 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:38:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46662C7F.4040504@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:39:43 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] About Passports Just FYI References: <001a01c7a7bb$1a03ad40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> <870801590706051952h2d642035s2622306f2be6380d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <870801590706051952h2d642035s2622306f2be6380d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: baa582cd-607d-479e-a345-e7cb9f8fb1dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46662C71.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 00:18:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l564ILuo006470 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:18:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l564IHHH010601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:18:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l564Hoj5042730 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:17:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l564Hk4j075748; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l564HhvP075675 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:17:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44580 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jun 2007 04:17:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3y6mRYrp3qlrX5EN4R5SvewCr0hltHcKPD09R8MQlCrtk/Zqo91LP4Q3nE5d1BMDhgfQsn7bkbEQaNOBIpmzAIa27SAA4Gq8pvmAPBmHGRsMyAbwCRXgsew7WPn22PA4uanvmxhfz+PoZ9MT4U3Q75Yglwvf03oDtSoKn1qxQV8=; X-YMail-OSG: GvzKSCgVM1mP7b0ET4eH215b9yqudm3tifgHtO.b1QWw9RD1NeYVXEfmEfZHtrwxVhM26Xuf6XNu1qxFvlGMucgdb8jEodgFoo43O3.r6JeUz47wkXER8QmvMNy2AoHibe6GWt81gwjL2ik- Received: from [208.67.10.163] by web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:17:38 PDT Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:17:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <64083.44151.qm@web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=16% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Re: Passport FYI X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e0e91519-7508-4157-9ad4-439311700abb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46663589.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jodi --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 00:24:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l564O6WV006670 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:24:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l564O272024443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:24:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l564Movh043134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:22:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l564Mm6W078377; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:22:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outU.internet-mail-service.net (outU.internet-mail-service.net [216.240.47.244]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l564MhCn078343 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:22:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chrisber@idiom.com) Received: from mx0.idiom.com (HELO idiom.com) (216.240.32.160) by out.internet-mail-service.net (qpsmtpd/0.32) with ESMTP; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:22:42 -0700 Received: by idiom.com (Postfix, from userid 3218) id A46AF125A25; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:22:42 -0700 From: Chris Bertani To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On 05 Jun 2007, Kimiko Small wrote: > Welcome Chris! Glad you decided to delurk and > introduce yourself, and provide an interesting website > of photos. Very nice outfits you are wearing. Are you > a member of GBACG by any chance? I have been a memeber of GBACG in the past, and am still on the email list, but I've let my membership lapse in favor of Silicon Web to maintain ICG membership. Your livejournal name looks familar; we must know people in common. -- Chris > www.kimiko1.com > > > --- Chris Bertani wrote: > > I suppose this is as good a time as any to delurk... > > > > I work for a biotech company in Silicon Valley. > > Paying for my sewing > > hobby comes out of our budget along with everything > > else. Finding time > > to sew is more difficult, especially with a new > > baby, but deadlines, > > mostly SF conventions, do wonders, as does having a > > very patient wife. > > > > I've been fascinated by history since I was a child, > > starting with the > > English Regency and spreading outwards. The need to > > build historical > > clothing sprang from this, though I've only been > > sewing properly for a > > few years now. > > > > I too find Bjarne a great inspiration. > > > > -- Chris Bertani > > http://www.goblinrevolution.org/costumes/ > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 00:49:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l564nr1j007380 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:49:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l564nnBD025082 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 00:49:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l564nIHb045211 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:49:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l564nGSW093434; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:49:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l564nCPm093339 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 22:49:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=NFqsVkeOC4JXNUIF0m6xYvKOdNrSNWuFwnORk4h/gE6t9Wdmh6ua0zg23qg6JAa+; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.225] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HvnSF-000412-3a for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:49:07 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070605233030.0329b380@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:38:54 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200706060220.l562KKr4003242@net.indra.com> References: <200706060220.l562KKr4003242@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53ef9d46f14f0b08baae6e0d2139d91cbf1eb7cf8a9c58b930350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.225 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Off Topic: What's your day job? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: db044190-e448-42de-a445-1ffc9c23a697 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46663CED.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm a dinosaur computer programmer - assembler language on a giant mainframe. Been doing that for 28 years. Yes, there are still some things that mainframes do better and faster than anything else. Hubby is a stockroom coordinator (aka Jack-of-all-trades) for a retail store. We do primarily fantasy/science fiction costuming, mostly original designs. A large number of them have a historical or ethnic design base, so stuff we learn here is valuable. Stuff gets done in evenings and weekends, we work slowly, and many times there is a last-minute scramble to finish before an event. We have no kids, but 5 cats do demand their share of time. Sandy (and Pierre) "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 07:28:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56BScIS013451 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:28:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56BSYgD024985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:28:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56BRn9X094028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 05:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56BRjaO016453; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 05:27:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56BRfww016341 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 05:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail14.att.net ([204.127.135.40]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2007060611273611200dadnqe>; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:27:36 +0000 Received: from [63.241.202.8] by mwebmail14.att.net; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:27:35 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:27:35 +0000 Message-Id: <060620071127.19948.46669A2700037EFF00004DEC21602807480A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What's your Day Job? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >Message: 13 >Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:55:43 -0400 >From: "Jennifer Byrne" >Subject: [h-cost] RE: Off Topic: What's your day job?; Was: robe a la >francaise grande panier. >To: "'Historical Costume'" >Message-ID: <000101c7a70c$3ed633e0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >2 months is an impressively short amount of time for such a project! >I get the sense from messages I have read that most folks on this list do >not make/study/write about historical clothing for a living. Is this true? >If so, what do you all do to fund your need to build historical clothing? I am a mathematician. I work as a government statistician. That plus three kiddies (I have a new little man, only 15 weeks old) take up most of the time I used to have for costuming. This is a shame, because before I had the job and the kids (they arrived more or less at the same time) I was a student, and had the time but not the money for costuming. Now I have money, but no time :-). Mostly I do 14th, 15th and 16th century English clothing. I have grand plans to delve into other eras, but I suspect they will have to wait until the kids are older. Claire _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 07:50:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56BoMDa016827 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:50:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56BoJYN027132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:50:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56BnaTs096673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 05:49:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56BnZeH029509; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 05:49:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56BnVpi029465 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 05:49:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l56BnRDW019485 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070605082608.02691318@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi: I would love to see the costumes you talk about but I am not sure where they are on this site. Are they part of the Downloads: Demo? I think those are PowerPoint projects so I will have to get to a computer with that software. Thanks! Jenn -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? At 01:59 05/06/2007, you wrote: >For the Italian costuming enthusiasts: > >http://www.costume-textiles.com/index.htm > >--Robin The promo on the site shows costumes I made, and Janet approved!! I would love to go, but hate to think what the cost will be. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 08:08:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56C8loG017402 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:08:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56C8hMN021285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:08:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56C8Dvp099025 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:08:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56C8CNK040778; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:08:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56C87gK040696 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:08:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.41.83.93 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAAdAZkZQKVNd/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,389,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="436065" Received: from mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.11]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 Jun 2007 13:07:45 +0100 Received: from [80.41.83.93] (port=1868 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HvuIz-000OnH-EG for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:08:01 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070606130056.02701eb0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:05:05 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? In-Reply-To: <001001c7a830$bac7c7a0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070605082608.02691318@suziclarke.co.uk> <001001c7a830$bac7c7a0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=2% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d37a85e5-b3a9-4c81-bca5-63943e60ab23 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4666A3CB.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 12:49 06/06/2007, you wrote: >Suzi: I would love to see the costumes you talk about but I am not sure >where they are on this site. Are they part of the Downloads: Demo? I think >those are PowerPoint projects so I will have to get to a computer with that >software. Thanks! > >Jenn Jenn They are on the demo, which plays on my computer without any extra software. Right at the end there are some photos, one of which is the gentleman in a copy of the Sture suit, In the photo to its right, there is a lady in black, whose costume I also made. They were taken at the memorial held for Janet at the Globe Theatre, not long after her death. This, if it shows, is the gentleman in a photo I took on the same occasion. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/images/sture_suit_1560.jpg It is on the Gallery of my web site - www.suziclarke.co.uk quite a way through. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 08:24:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56COQ14017868 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:24:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56COM0h001766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:24:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56CJnUt000861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:19:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56CJlEI048468; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:19:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56CJitU048378 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:19:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JJ7000G4RKJTZB1@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:19:25 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20070606130056.02701eb0@suziclarke.co.uk> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fa0fc356-e687-482e-bddd-25487569fde9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4666A776.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO They are great costumes, Suzi. It is nice to see Ms. Arnold's work in "the flesh" and used by costumers. Your website is quite impressive. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 8:05 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? At 12:49 06/06/2007, you wrote: >Suzi: I would love to see the costumes you talk about but I am not sure >where they are on this site. Are they part of the Downloads: Demo? I think >those are PowerPoint projects so I will have to get to a computer with that >software. Thanks! > >Jenn Jenn They are on the demo, which plays on my computer without any extra software. Right at the end there are some photos, one of which is the gentleman in a copy of the Sture suit, In the photo to its right, there is a lady in black, whose costume I also made. They were taken at the memorial held for Janet at the Globe Theatre, not long after her death. This, if it shows, is the gentleman in a photo I took on the same occasion. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/images/sture_suit_1560.jpg It is on the Gallery of my web site - www.suziclarke.co.uk quite a way through. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 08:54:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56CsJcs019000 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:54:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56CsFNs010371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:54:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56CmA8e004777 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:48:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56Cm7tT066802; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:48:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56Cm3Ti066768 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brennasca@erols.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Jun 2007 08:48:03 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id NKK10360; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 08:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-15-53-34.c3-0.grg-ubr2.lnh-grg.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([216.15.53.34]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 06 Jun 2007 08:47:57 -0400 Message-ID: <4666ACF6.7000905@erols.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:47:50 -0400 From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your Day Job? 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Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 09:50:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56Do3mC021102 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:50:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56Dnv1G007062 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:50:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56DnF5P014862 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56DnA0d014548; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:49:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56Dn6UV014429 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:49:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070606134902.NBND8257.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:49:02 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.140]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 8Dp01X00E32JwDy0000000; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:49:00 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070605082608.02691318@suziclarke.co.uk><001001c7a830$bac7c7a0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <7.0.1.0.2.20070606130056.02701eb0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO FYI The first link does not seem to work. Going to the second link & clicking on 16th century gets you there just fine. Anne Jenn They are on the demo, which plays on my computer without any extra software. Right at the end there are some photos, one of which is the gentleman in a copy of the Sture suit, In the photo to its right, there is a lady in black, whose costume I also made. They were taken at the memorial held for Janet at the Globe Theatre, not long after her death. This, if it shows, is the gentleman in a photo I took on the same occasion. http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/images/sture_suit_1560.jpg It is on the Gallery of my web site - www.suziclarke.co.uk quite a way through. 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Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 12:23:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56GN2rr026556 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:23:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56GMwWk008200 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:23:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56GMVGT042760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56GMMOG057090; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56GMGcs056971 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:22:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from audreybmorin@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z38so530263ugc for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:22:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=l67X+Ebjt+qrreVkRoZ0et8IKXM4VWjCFdi5s/rbFT8ubLEuHyVbSzLoztGBloT4/ksiLTosjp0+OBqbQbU5vd6YBmVU6RLjuthtBYAziz3Pt1h2ZJeiZJfPez5tgpk+h0ttUBlO/iU92WjK6km0VgsAHC5g7OqU3b7tawj+XTc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qj5oLu7SFPR7StoHNtMTOj1tWv5SsjwChuD3d5IVeNUL7FfrcRoC13Kaifk3BJBcT4lReDgoAiAyOVH01lQLNA1YWGLzleYpaJjt1tDy67C+eLveIlWTBgz2/izA6SreVzdNTae1Ybrn8D/yKoFUioNGrTB0+jImKkRe3C3gutM= Received: by 10.82.170.2 with SMTP id s2mr1316692bue.1181146935524; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.120.12 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <16a2233a0706060922m2d5f44fbyde75c465309a5f3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:22:15 -0400 From: "Audrey Bergeron-Morin" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Off Topic: What's your day job? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm a translator (French to English), but I studied and worked as a computer programmer before I had a change of heart. I still take care of the computer problems at work, and do all application support inside the (small) company. I do less costuming now, because I've become interested in fishkeeping lately. We're still stuck with our 10 gallon aquarium, but will upgrade to a 30 gallon soon and hope to move to saltwater in a couple of years. Costumes? Well... I'm hoping that, after I move (in three weeks! first time I won't be living with my parents), I can go back to working on that. I'm interested in all eras (almost) and places (almost)! Medieval, Elizabethan, Empire, 1920s to 1960s, a few other eras sprinkled in between, Japanese and Chinese garb too... Where do I find the time? Well... when I want to sew, I turn off the computer and the TV. Then I start walking in circles in the house looking for something to do, and fall back either to cleaning the basement/sewing room or actually sewing :-) (Well, that is, when I don't get sucked into one of the FIMO, knitting, origami, cooking, translating, weaving, etc. projects!). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 12:51:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56GpLw3027679 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:51:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56GpHIK000567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:51:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56Goaw5048079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:50:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56GoYsD085145; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:50:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56CgX8N063128 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 06:42:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 80.41.83.93 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CADpIZkZQKVNd/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,389,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="441558" Received: from mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.12]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 06 Jun 2007 13:42:08 +0100 Received: from [80.41.83.93] (port=1979 helo=suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HvuqE-0003u5-3b for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:42:23 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070606134127.026b0090@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:42:20 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] Florence in 2008? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 13:19 06/06/2007, you wrote: >They are great costumes, Suzi. It is nice to see Ms. Arnold's work in "the >flesh" and used by costumers. Your website is quite impressive. >Monica Thank you - I appreciate your kind words. I was lucky enough to have great tutors. Suzi >They are on the demo, which plays on my computer without any extra >software. Right at the end there are some photos, one of which is the >gentleman in a copy of the Sture suit, In the photo to its right, >there is a lady in black, whose costume I also made. They were taken >at the memorial held for Janet at the Globe Theatre, not long after her >death. > >This, if it shows, is the gentleman in a photo I took on the same occasion. > >http://www.suziclarke.co.uk/images/sture_suit_1560.jpg > >It is on the Gallery of my web site - www.suziclarke.co.uk quite a >way through. > >Suzi > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 12:52:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56Gq553027710 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:52:05 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56Gq1II010455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:52:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56GpL36048253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:51:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56GpKGX085979; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:51:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56DvrRo021196 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 07:57:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070606135749.OHYW8837.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:57:49 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.140]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 8Dxn1X00H32JwDy0000000; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:57:47 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200706060220.l562KKr4003242@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070605233030.0329b380@pop.radiks.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Off Topic: What's your day job? 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Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/834 - Release Date: 6/5/2007 2:38 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 12:54:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56GstCx027809 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:54:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56GspRu001902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:54:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56GsRn8048935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:54:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56GsPBs089311; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:54:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56GboT9072563 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:37:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0FC1FA503FE; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:29:48 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 09:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c7a859$0bf6fc40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Day job X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3692b03c-7418-4e91-ba0f-58fb0b50887a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4666E6DB.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am a stay at home mom. I have a BA in Technical Theatre and a Limited Service Teaching Credential for Calif. Comm. Colleges. I have worked in community theatre since graduating from college in 1976. Sometimes, I = even got paid! I've done all aspects of theatre over the years-tech, acting, directing, producing. While I was in a Shakespeare production in 2002, = other members of the cast were talking about Ren Faire. I said I'd always = wanted to participate, but didn't know how. They dragged me along that year and I've been hooked ever since. For one thing, I get to act a lot more than when I have a small (okay, TINY) role in a regular show. Plus, I get to create my own costume. I've recently started Renaissance dancing lessons.The renaissance dance lessons are FREE, in Alameda, CA, on Tuesday nights, if any of you would = be interested. I attend PEERS events, (costumed period dances). In November-December, I am an actor in The Great Dickens Christmas Fair. = I play Mrs. Nickleby. I put in many hours at my son's school, which has a parent participation requirement.=20 And I garden. I've just finished re-doing my front yard. It is now a tropical jungle.=20 Sharon Collier =20 =20 Young lovers seek perfection, Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches =20 - "How To Make An American Quilt" =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 13:10:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56HANLL028389 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:10:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56HAJow018529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:10:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56H9k8x051969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:09:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56H9i3x005016; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:09:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56H9d7t004864 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tgilbert737@roadrunner.com) Received: from Gilbert ([72.227.85.184]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id <20070606170934.NBQR28813.mta9.adelphia.net@Gilbert> for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:09:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Gilbert" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000901c7a859$0bf6fc40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> In-Reply-To: <000901c7a859$0bf6fc40$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Day job Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:09:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16386 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16386 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=46% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff695e4b-5941-4466-a6cf-fac06e02cf7e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4666EA7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am a stay-at-home, homeschooling mom who is also a historical novelist. Since having been bitten by the theater bug while working at the Theater at Monmouth (aka the Shakespearian theater of Maine), I became interested in historical clothing and worked as a costumer for many seasons (pre-kids). Now, I am working on an Empire gown, circa 1795 - 1805, and hope to finish it properly before the end of the millennium. I have also made two other items from Janet Arnold's books: a Spencer and a circa 1940 evening gown. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Collier" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:38 PM Subject: [h-cost] Day job I am a stay at home mom. I have a BA in Technical Theatre and a Limited Service Teaching Credential for Calif. Comm. Colleges. I have worked in community theatre since graduating from college in 1976. Sometimes, I even got paid! I've done all aspects of theatre over the years-tech, acting, directing, producing. While I was in a Shakespeare production in 2002, other members of the cast were talking about Ren Faire. I said I'd always wanted to participate, but didn't know how. They dragged me along that year and I've been hooked ever since. For one thing, I get to act a lot more than when I have a small (okay, TINY) role in a regular show. Plus, I get to create my own costume. I've recently started Renaissance dancing lessons.The renaissance dance lessons are FREE, in Alameda, CA, on Tuesday nights, if any of you would be interested. I attend PEERS events, (costumed period dances). In November-December, I am an actor in The Great Dickens Christmas Fair. I play Mrs. Nickleby. I put in many hours at my son's school, which has a parent participation requirement. And I garden. I've just finished re-doing my front yard. It is now a tropical jungle. Sharon Collier Young lovers seek perfection, Old lovers learn the art of sewing shreds together And of seeing beauty in a multiplicity of patches - "How To Make An American Quilt" _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 14:08:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56I8so6030627 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:08:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56I8oPB006926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56I7cjk062471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:07:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56I7XDc061983; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:07:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56I7TlG061825 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so246368wxc for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=s/dyvv9kLYh4nX7Uym2gSvF2Dq48C3UzUzQRTRo8GpfMrbIEID236T9Er0oiCMxvX9pSWOuO6NQkFNy+3669YkCnLSOqJ06wGZAn7naXhL7ImDcForykokXCxqn1hWywtr+l/H5N32xwIdpQyQp9Qf+p0aPMGWUdFDwt6qnh5b8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=anLGtnIt+rDzQ1RumPAWC6yFnEjQBaz0p+u7BpjMi3WQDUhMjyyZHdOwcjIiAyBdlTANPAy9VvPVwtUaPNqR597Q/mE1fpIGFGWJFAqfdsv/ARg/eKwjqUWDnwbN/vPLxT5H6caNvYxjNT331cqeyfhntqMvxkPFKTwdNrwpSIs= Received: by 10.70.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr1272650wxd.1181153243412; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.21.7 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190706061107w7adc32c2mf85be8b8da918e46@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:07:23 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 102; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] DC area :) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd145dd5-f767-4ec7-87b5-1c6910ae73e0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4666F832.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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On 6/6/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:47:50 -0400 > From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your Day Job? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <4666ACF6.7000905@erols.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Me too! > > Jane Pease wrote: > > I am a policy wonk for a federal agency in DC. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 14:14:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56IE9TU030826 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:14:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56IE5NS031917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:14:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56I8Qik062585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:08:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56I8PI1062741; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:08:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56I8KwQ062592 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 12:08:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t16so228876wxc for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:08:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=tyx0LC+ZE01K+SKVu+Mmh/E84gLbP9bSu7AlN1Y/FJK9Qm9riP3sifY8cxiFrh9LLqGvokNMYl8Ed/flaVF2QZmnneIwUH7lfc1qh4/U2Rv40U/nCPtX7va+tyC+kVXFhmChfqvLgKJneUPO35YeJjbWnAidGhf3bmwdZg5vl4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=n34AQILss0QMd4MuT7jsh5HN8zs9bOlPL+iHEUzwczzVpKZuk2A+QiyRa1mIs4tES4EF9oaIO7ofb37SqRHggpiLB/sJ8FE6C7cuxV+esE34PKtuBairZdRsG573QixzjdPf05rw/aS8Y9SrGRd31TkS/441S0Ane+aSBWo892I= Received: by 10.70.23.2 with SMTP id 2mr1195852wxw.1181153294502; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.21.7 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 11:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190706061108r20c34eefl84a734a191450e61@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:08:14 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 102; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Subject: [h-cost] Florence in 2008 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21559a29-8bad-443a-b2d2-980e4e0c849c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4666F96D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 15:22:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56JMI1M001320 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:22:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56JMEtI020760 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:22:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56JLivV074980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:21:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56JLgRP030155; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:21:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56JLeIq030079 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:21:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so268813wxc for ; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=JQBiRL3NeKiGhNSo1k+5qaPKQQ+hPqhb+8zWAuFCrcBmgT37JFuMOK7a/VgOnYhdVAzInTuZLNiiSYRwMPiHrx0t1cvxoQ8kJLzK3Zgb7fstdw5vCqhdWhBCTE364LdKF0a+H4izkD8cPK8A92DlENm/en2c+kzFVFwhUBqv7SY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=MPmL/4ADd3VlTy/LKROLrnG+XEamYBw+zwD7W/cMUi34m6lBE8Fgc+NAzFPlqK25je1drcKNdgUbaA0YDBXVf9tbFafXySjv8vGfJ5eg114lpxHXiF9z/ZQ+vN4ge8Z2pEq2CKEq2CJMcMyodf8SmNXU4+/oNaKWogm97SPeJDw= Received: by 10.90.52.2 with SMTP id z2mr1020205agz.1181157696670; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m75sm2831361wrm.2007.06.06.12.21.35; Wed, 06 Jun 2007 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <7d21ac190706061108r20c34eefl84a734a191450e61@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:18:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1328; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many rep=11% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Yahoo group for Florence in 2008 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a4669976-a718-41e1-9986-7bbde0df7a8e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46670966.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Let's start planning! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Traveling4Costumers Chiara _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 6 15:41:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56JflTb002073 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:41:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l56JffYk007060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 15:41:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l56JfF45078497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:41:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56JexwF047983; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:41:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l56JetY8047830 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200706061940.l56JetY8047830@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070606194049m1200bkrb7e>; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:40:49 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:40:40 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] DC area :) In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190706061107w7adc32c2mf85be8b8da918e46@mail.gmail.co m> References: <7d21ac190706061107w7adc32c2mf85be8b8da918e46@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: net.indra.com 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=1% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f103dbc-2ef3-4b7b-92cf-2fe12d041104 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46670DF5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 00:36:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l574anEj019843 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:36:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l574ajD9012465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:36:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l574aFmC044411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:36:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l574aAcv030834; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:36:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l574a67p030784 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:36:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02791 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:38:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:38:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Off topic: What's your day job? In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190706050636g34ec4014n85cb2f9c23ccc2a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7109f39b-5171-46ba-9df9-ebc1ae446b1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46678B5D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tue, 5 Jun 2007, A. Thurman wrote: > I am curious how those of you who do serious construction and research > find the time for your hobbies. But that assumes we *do* find the time! Right now I'm eliminating large chunks of sleep and, to some extent, meals. I don't know how long I can keep it up (it's been some months now), but on the bright side, I've lost 22 pounds. --Robin (And Allison knows exactly how busy I've been because I promised her something more than a year ago...) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 00:44:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l574iXQb020054 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:44:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l574iTln013597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:44:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l574eqDM044872 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l574eqp7033370; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l574emNr033320 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:40:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02842 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:43:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:43:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Historic needlework book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1672539c-bd55-4c68-83fc-e8a1c921b9aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46678D2D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Anne (retired fro Ma Bell but still works part time for Lillian Vernon) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 07:24:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57BO9R0027062 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:24:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l57BO5wd020450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:24:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l57BMVaG090451 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:22:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57BMUAX047146; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 05:22:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.57]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57AJ1eg004599 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 04:19:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l57AIpFw012297 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 06:18:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <200706060220.l562KKr4003242@net.indra.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20070605233030.0329b380@pop.radiks.net> <16a2233a0706060922m2d5f44fbyde75c465309a5f3f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Off Topic: What's your day job? 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X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Audrey: Je parle fran=E7ais mais seulement un peu (malheureusement). I am the = tech support for our family and have given my IT people more than one = headache for poking around in the computer where I oughtn't. Did the aquarium = thing up to a 45 gallon bowfront at work and 2 20 gallons at home - keeping = fancy goldfish mainly. That was great fun but I have no tanks at present. I = love to knit, have done origami in the past and now my harp is my current = passion but it runs neck and neck with historical clothing. I'm in the thick = of making a likeness of a 16th century Saxon gown in the style of Lucas = Cranach for my daughter. I tend to jump in with both feet into these projects! In a play on an old phrase I call myself a 'Jenny of all trades, and a mistress to none.' You sound like that too - isn't it fun! Jennifer =20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Audrey Bergeron-Morin Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 12:22 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Off Topic: What's your day job? I'm a translator (French to English), but I studied and worked as a computer programmer before I had a change of heart. I still take care of the computer problems at work, and do all application support inside the (small) company. I do less costuming now, because I've become interested in fishkeeping lately. We're still stuck with our 10 gallon aquarium, but will upgrade to a 30 gallon soon and hope to move to saltwater in a couple of years. Costumes? Well... I'm hoping that, after I move (in three weeks! first time I won't be living with my parents), I can go back to working on that. I'm interested in all eras (almost) and places (almost)! Medieval, Elizabethan, Empire, 1920s to 1960s, a few other eras sprinkled in between, Japanese and Chinese garb too... Where do I find the time? Well... when I want to sew, I turn off the computer and the TV. Then I start walking in circles in the house looking for something to do, and fall back either to cleaning the basement/sewing room or actually sewing :-) (Well, that is, when I don't get sucked into one of the FIMO, knitting, origami, cooking, translating, weaving, etc. projects!). _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 09:45:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57Dj692003371 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:45:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l57Dj2u3012453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:45:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l57DePAf016003 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:40:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57DeLeY044178; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:40:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net (eastrmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.240.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57DeHxk044063 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070607134013.FDYQ8179.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:40:13 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.140]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 8dgB1X00F32JwDy0000000; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:40:11 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: OT day job (cats) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:40:08 -0400 Message-ID: <003301c7a909$5d583490$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Aceo9pGCsaJH0F7tTGKCif1Vgj+9rgAEquQg X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=61% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cc81f2b2-ae00-44ea-a13a-577507a9671e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46680BDF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO 3!!!! Bwahahaha!!! I don't even remember what 3 was like :) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 6:36 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT day job (cats) Good lord, and I thought we were getting carried away by taking in a local stray & bringing it up to 3!!!!!!! :o) In a message dated 06/06/2007 19:01:33 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Try 15 cats!!!!! 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Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 09:52:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57DqxFS003610 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:52:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l57DqtNI023434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:52:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l57Dq4Yr017708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57Dpxp2053200; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:51:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [63.240.77.82]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57Dpuc5053093 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:51:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Etiennette@comcast.net) Received: from smailcenter73.comcast.net ([204.127.205.173]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2007060713515001200ej659e>; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:51:50 +0000 Received: from [71.197.237.251] by smailcenter73.comcast.net; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:51:49 +0000 From: Etiennette@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: OT day job (cats) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:51:49 +0000 Message-Id: <060720071351.27175.46680D75000E469F00006A272207021633039A04019C0A07020E089F0A9BAC@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: U3RlcGhhbmllc29sdW1AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 102; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c8c13bd4-12f4-4006-b71a-2aa43d39e411 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46680DB8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO hehe :) You sound like my Mom a few years ago. She lived in a small town in Montana. Everyone knew that she liked cats, and they kept dropping cats off at her door step. I think she was up to about 18 at one point. Luckily folks donated cat food to her as well. I think she also had 8 rabbits at the time as well. When she moved out the coast, she managed to find homes for all of them and now only has one. She says she misses them all, but is glad the work load is down, she is in her 60's. Etiennette -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Anne Moeller" > 3!!!! Bwahahaha!!! I don't even remember what 3 was like :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Debloughcostumes@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 6:36 PM > To: h-costume@indra.com > Subject: [h-cost] Re: OT day job (cats) > > > Good lord, and I thought we were getting carried away by taking in a local > stray & bringing it up to 3!!!!!!! > > :o) > > > > In a message dated 06/06/2007 19:01:33 GMT Standard Time, > h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > > Try 15 cats!!!!! > > Anne (retired fro Ma Bell but still works part time for Lillian Vernon) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 > 2:03 PM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 > 2:03 PM > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 10:07:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57E7qsD004017 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:07:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l57E7mNv010711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:07:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l57E7KZi019726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:07:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57E7Ifl064870; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:07:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57E7Eqb064740 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:07:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 212.139.70.48 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlE4AGCtZ0bUi0YwUGdsb2JhbACBTYVmiCwBAT8B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,395,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="633055" Received: from 212-139-70-48.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([212.139.70.48]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2007 15:11:14 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070607145920.027145f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:00:26 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT day job (cats) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 102; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e58f2e72-3a5e-45d8-9605-4a531180ffde X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46681134.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 23:36 06/06/2007, you wrote: > >Good lord, and I thought we were getting carried away by taking in a local >stray & bringing it up to 3!!!!!!! > >:o) > > And every single one of them is beautiful - she's a meanie and > wouldn't let us bring a few home - she wouldn't miss a few, I'm sure!! Suzi > >In a message dated 06/06/2007 19:01:33 GMT Standard Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >Try 15 cats!!!!! > >Anne (retired fro Ma Bell but still works part time for Lillian Vernon) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 20:25:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l580PnGf025375 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:25:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l580PikC012298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:25:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l580OiPm040626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:24:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l580Of66046097; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:24:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57Fkj09069355 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070607154640.FBRD8257.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:46:40 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.140]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 8fme1X00T32JwDy0000000; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:46:38 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070607145920.027145f8@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: OT day job (cats) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:46:35 -0400 Message-ID: <006101c7a91b$07c37690$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20070607145920.027145f8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcepDbzEHBcTtLw7SjaTlCquGU/x3AADRQcg X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=61% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3cc40df2-e74b-4e02-9ef9-1a1b66cff29e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4668A208.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO But, but, but You wanted to take Taz and Mr. Spock!!! You were also making eyes at Deanna! Besides, I truly doubt that Shadow would have thrilled :) Anne -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:00 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: OT day job (cats) At 23:36 06/06/2007, you wrote: > >Good lord, and I thought we were getting carried away by taking in a local >stray & bringing it up to 3!!!!!!! > >:o) > > And every single one of them is beautiful - she's a meanie and > wouldn't let us bring a few home - she wouldn't miss a few, I'm sure!! Suzi > >In a message dated 06/06/2007 19:01:33 GMT Standard Time, >h-costume-request@indra.com writes: > >Try 15 cats!!!!! > >Anne (retired fro Ma Bell but still works part time for Lillian Vernon) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 20:27:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l580Rflb025423 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:27:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l580RaJX015867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:27:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l580RJrs041158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l580RIhQ048367; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:27:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l57MOd33055864 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:24:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j37so874574waf for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:24:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bMmORNqewTpmwv04eJHGq2rFVvM3LO7rAHtUbhjoKUT1IruhucPUICdKY7ifvNQfla/Im67eY8poMIETf0ExSyiFlbOKuGuD/n74guRAse2CzCH0eRzXLx27L0R00my38ckiRMQCYV1K3sEMttI4N760eINMdjlR+wr+moGSbGY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ERNj+avywl9LOge9DWT6MGcOr/vbfiQ/yo6fLm870aLTxkKBbCrZUO8EdLCsnLj40+F6REkD/ALTYFiPMlBU2L80IrNnOXqMyl8v/fTNJKKP1dVy5uFwWKOIJ8j5Q9qk/epIrgWweWYQIERX/4BVhkkZROhL7k5svmXx/DkKUKc= Received: by 10.115.88.1 with SMTP id q1mr1951711wal.1181255079256; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.125.19 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:24:39 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: DC :-) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b2547fa-54f2-43fd-9221-42de414f6599 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4668A278.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 20:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Brenna!!! {{{glomps}}} Wow, all sorts of folks here I didn't realize were around, but should not be surprised... :-) My day job is being a business analyst and tech writer for a small military consulting firm in the VA 'burbs; my night job is being a priest in charge of a small congregation in No. VA... the rest of the time I costume and try to sleep. *g* Maybe we should have a Suburban DC costuming day or something! :-) Meli ferch Iasper, AKA Sharon Henderson Jerry/Brenna wrote: > Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:47:50 -0400 > From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee > Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your Day Job? > Me too! > > Jane Pease wrote: > > I am a policy wonk for a federal agency in DC. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 21:07:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5817Osb026521 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:07:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5817JCL011913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:07:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5816G88045329 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:06:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5816FYf071699; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:06:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5816B0t071620 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:06:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cfa.112596c4 (58677) for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:05:59 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:05:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: DC :-) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 18376ee1-e046-4050-a890-e32bb227fed8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4668ABC7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 21:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 6/7/2007 8:27:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, henderson.sharon@gmail.com writes: Wow, all sorts of folks here I didn't realize were around, but should not be surprised... :-) Guess I should weigh in--I live and work inside the Beltway (I think you have to be in the DC area to understand that), in Riverdale, Maryland. I'm the historian, one of two full-time staff, at Riversdale, an early 19th century historic house museum. So I work for local, not federal, government. 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(mangoanderson@sbcglobal.net@75.1.9.246 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2007 02:23:24 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: um1sNLUVM1mkB4u2EUcvE3fa2dXJ3VdOCDCtHgvm3mo2hMmc Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070605004912.VKDH23069.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <20070605004912.VKDH23069.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <09053B10-A621-42D3-83DD-6351E6AA067F@margospatterns.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Margo Anderson Subject: Re: [h-cost] upcoming book Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:23:22 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 102; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4dfc01a4-0e30-40b0-9bab-030cc0308c25 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4668BDCE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 22:39:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l582d4jl029259 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:39:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l582cxbG011190 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:39:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l582ccpa054583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l582cbOB027005; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:38:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l582cYrV026936 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JJA003ACQ00F2B0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:38:16 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book In-reply-to: <09053B10-A621-42D3-83DD-6351E6AA067F@margospatterns.com> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 102; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 781ddad9-119f-430f-a950-f795c124be22 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4668C143.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 22:46:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l582kYgN029554 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:46:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l582kTMb005213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:46:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l582jkS4055427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l582jjub031349; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta09.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l582jgL4031320 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:45:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm24.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta09.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A7940542 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm24 Received: by resin13.mta.everyone.net (EON-PICKUP) id resin13.465f8c0a.2a477; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:45:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20070607194541.E5391D5B@resin13.mta.everyone.net> Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:45:41 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRGaMLVSeILyQEAAAAB,ada06a7e4de4238cb0faf456fe86f54b X-Originating-Ip: [172.149.206.156] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 102; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=3% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a62d2d56-0113-4e49-93a8-b19c86e0f801 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4668C305.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] upcoming book > > Title: The Worldwide History of Dress: the Origins of Fashion from > the Paleolithic to the Present. Wow! Nothing like a narrow, specific focus. I look forward to seeing how they did this in 608 pages. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 23:12:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583C2LJ031990 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:12:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l583Bv5o015013 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:12:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l583BM8Y057941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:11:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583BLlX046447; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:11:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583BH1B046400 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:11:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brennasca@erols.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2007 23:11:18 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id ITK77500; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-15-53-34.c3-0.grg-ubr2.lnh-grg.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([216.15.53.34]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2007 23:11:13 -0400 Message-ID: <4668C8C7.8060606@erols.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:11:03 -0400 From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: DC :-) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1a5618f-8380-40f3-95f2-5c0b1f0b233f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4668C8FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sharon Henderson wrote: > Brenna!!! {{{glomps}}} > > Wow, all sorts of folks here I didn't realize were around, but should > not be surprised... :-) > > My day job is being a business analyst and tech writer for a small > military consulting firm in the VA 'burbs; my night job is being a > priest in charge of a small congregation in No. VA... the rest of the > time I costume and try to sleep. *g* > > Maybe we should have a Suburban DC costuming day or something! :-) > > Meli ferch Iasper, > AKA Sharon Henderson > > Jerry/Brenna wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:47:50 -0400 >> From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your Day Job? > >> Me too! >> >> Jane Pease wrote: >> > I am a policy wonk for a federal agency in DC. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 23:23:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583NR73032326 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:23:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l583NNtm031546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:23:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l583KwdY058772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:20:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583Kv7R052810; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583KsXq052786 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:20:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.28.25] (core-dc-3-25.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.28.25]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583KkKZ016942 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:20:47 -0700 Message-ID: <4668CB81.7030903@theoldforest.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:22:41 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: DC :-) References: <4668C8C7.8060606@erols.com> In-Reply-To: <4668C8C7.8060606@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e527c2a-ea4b-49d0-8a52-a37631fd4ecb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4668CBAB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Who's up for it? me! me! as long as a scooter can get in whereever. -Judy Mitchell (lurking and feeling grumpy after seeing the orthopedist today) _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 7 23:24:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583O7em032353 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:24:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l583O2cL009811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:24:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l583M21M058873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:22:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583M1wR053444; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l583Lx2h053367 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:22:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JJA00L2ZRZWWHR0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:21:25 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book In-reply-to: <20070607194541.E5391D5B@resin13.mta.everyone.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f54cbd6-39ea-43d5-ae81-07c00b8dcdd0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4668CBD2.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Try: The Worldwide History of Dress. When I ordered the book I just cut and pasted the title from here and it came up. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lalah Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book I can't find it listed at Amazon. Did you find it under another name? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- monicaspence@optonline.net wrote: From: monica spence To: Historical Costume Cc: Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:38:16 -0400 I'm looking forward to the 1000 color pics. Mine is on order at Amazon. I would kill to get a GOOD fashion history text for my students. I hate the one we are using. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] upcoming book > > Title: The Worldwide History of Dress: the Origins of Fashion from > the Paleolithic to the Present. Wow! Nothing like a narrow, specific focus. I look forward to seeing how they did this in 608 pages. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 02:23:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l586NmZl015821 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 02:23:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l586NicP032042 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 02:23:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l586NHHR077216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:23:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l586NC7l052389; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:23:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l586N96S052321 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 00:23:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A3E51D8C038A; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:15:01 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:23:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c7a995$8116e110$0400a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. 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And what are you teaching, stage costume or historical? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book I'm looking forward to the 1000 color pics. Mine is on order at Amazon. I would kill to get a GOOD fashion history text for my students. I hate the one we are using. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] upcoming book > > Title: The Worldwide History of Dress: the Origins of Fashion from > the Paleolithic to the Present. Wow! Nothing like a narrow, specific focus. I look forward to seeing how they did this in 608 pages. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 06:37:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58Ab0uW030387 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:37:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58AatvJ012362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:36:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58AaOQO003482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:36:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58AaK2V096216; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:36:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58AaGfO096122 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:36:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cca.113d17d0 (42807) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:36:07 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:36:07 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: DC :-) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f9f1706-5650-4c9a-b6cd-70ddb068fb3f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46693147.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 06:47:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58Al31B031789 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:47:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58AkwBF028865 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:47:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58AjlJH004542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:45:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58Ajk1j001609; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:45:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58Ajf2q001525 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 04:45:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JJB0001RCJV5KK0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:45:23 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book In-reply-to: <000501c7a995$8116e110$0400a8c0@bob3pc> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=13% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd507dbc-4e25-48e9-b4f7-e7584320d9e7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 466933A2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 06:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Sharon-- "Survey of Historic Costume" by Tortora and Eubank, 4th Ed. (ugh) I teach Historic clothing. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sharon Collier Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 2:23 AM To: 'Historical Costume' Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book Out of curiosity, what are you using now? And what are you teaching, stage costume or historical? -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of monica spence Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:38 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book I'm looking forward to the 1000 color pics. Mine is on order at Amazon. I would kill to get a GOOD fashion history text for my students. I hate the one we are using. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] upcoming book > > Title: The Worldwide History of Dress: the Origins of Fashion from > the Paleolithic to the Present. Wow! Nothing like a narrow, specific focus. I look forward to seeing how they did this in 608 pages. Margo _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 07:16:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58BGEqr006620 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:16:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58BG90F021470 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:16:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58BFiPT007886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:15:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58BFhq4017205; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:15:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58BFdis017165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:15:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ggoose@Radix.Net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l58BFcvZ007126 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:15:38 -0400 (EDT) From: GreyGoose To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: DC :-) In-Reply-To: <4668CB81.7030903@theoldforest.net> Message-ID: References: <4668C8C7.8060606@erols.com> <4668CB81.7030903@theoldforest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e15e12d0-c0e8-43fe-8e97-0c21be0e1d95 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46693A79.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joanna Dionne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 07:43:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58BhVP7012179 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:43:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58BhQjP030357 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:43:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58BfjIk010719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:41:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58BfhYg034579; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:41:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l58BfdOm034508 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mdcarey@compuserve.com) Received: (qmail 67098 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2007 11:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (mdpierocarey@att.net@70.228.114.135 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2007 11:41:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XJhGmsMVM1lZLEpV1MREmqIyu6xbxErxHMs2WYHjTTleApFz Message-ID: <46694018.60101@compuserve.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:40:08 -0400 From: "M + D (Mary Piero Carey+Doug Piero Carey)" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com References: <200706050209.l5529MAs071588@net.indra.com> In-Reply-To: <200706050209.l5529MAs071588@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] ? on library search and article databases (Althea Turner) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2c1f84fc-5d62-4338-955b-2d7e44e4b2c2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 466940DE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I can't find that CIBA Review currently exists. My sources don't show what years it was pubbed, though my (admittedly erratic) memory seems to be telling me it did exist. However, CIBA Journal ran from 1957 - 1993. It was indexed in Chemical Abstracts; in Textile Technology Index (1973-1989); & in World Textile Abstracts. Also indexed in the International Management Information Business Digest. Good Luck finding a library that carries them, we certainly don't. Former titles: Ciba-Geigy Journal (Switzerland) (0366-5380); Ciba Journal (Switzerland) (0007-8395) All this info is from a WONDERFUL source called Ulrichsweb. If your home library doesn't have it, or the print version called _Ulrich's Periodicals Directory_, send me the name of the magazine or journal you are interested in, and I'll look up the indexing for you. But, hurry, my electronic subscription will be running out soon, and it's MUCH faster to do this kind of thing electronically than in the dead trees version. If you send your question to the email address below, I'll get the question faster than if you send it to the list. Your enabling periodicals pusher, Mary Piero Carey Periodicals Department Stark County District Library 715 Market Ave. N. Canton, Ohio 44702-1018 (330)452-0665 x 5750 mcarey@starklibrary.org We don't have issues... we have subscriptions. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 07:58:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58Bwlt2013663 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:58:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58BwhfM020238 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:58:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58BwGcs012901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:58:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58BwFq1044478; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:58:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58BwBTf044388 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 05:58:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d24.100f14e5 (33856) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:57:58 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:57:58 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] ? on library search and article databases (Althea Turner) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8c52feac-d092-4a83-b7db-ddc404da39ca X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46694473.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/2007 7:42:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mdcarey@compuserve.com writes: I can't find that CIBA Review currently exists. My sources don't show what years it was pubbed, though my (admittedly erratic) memory seems to be telling me it did exist. Our campus library seems to have it from the first issue, in 1937, to 1957--it seems to have ended then. I thought I had seen an index in the journal itself--no help if you are trying to search on-line, but if you have access to the bound volumes, you could look. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 13:11:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58HBwiP025363 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:11:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58HBrr9004319 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:11:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58HB6OJ064095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:11:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58HAPAj010149; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:10:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58HALjT010051 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:10:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so205370ana for ; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:10:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jVoGM95LChJkg/AD0+8vhHJkTQ/tYEVAW+6JEIhtn8fNMhGAlBAyel6ftMpfZ+ZS+2Ni3GvA/GBKZVrPWHsPW77I0Hg1aZHnVvWNCaB/tdc7iX+8qRPH0USFco4n2KBXQ9A5i8SbLGPqhvf1cFPkQN/bmDne+eBoi2krZfrfh0U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WGVHGiiUimRpoD6DLXSRIgry96S0lfVbDZ8Q3ggFy0HhgmfD7p/x+dkeuAxgTsa8BOu6i3BegKdEDBQ97lgNkJvRse1qsQEs96PP60GWVHTKNSOk0jz7OKP4lm59GgtMiYWXt2ert16N/5rQlxCqfXb5dIlKQVsYfMLJivuy/No= Received: by 10.100.11.7 with SMTP id 7mr1882455ank.1181322617849; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.93.6 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660706081010g4cf677dctbfbb086c95f90d70@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:10:17 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: HCostume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] asking for suggestions to fix sleeves X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4105182-165e-47eb-a587-0ca74abd7850 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46698DD9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi folks... I've finally gotten the brown kirtle pretty much done. Yay me! I tried it on for a final fitting the other night to get the hem dealt with, and I'll be, it fit. It actually fit very, very well. And it did what I wanted it to do. The problem, as you will see in the photo is the sleeves. It seems that I have taken a) too long to sew this dress together and b) that my weight training regime really is working. In short, my arms are too large for the sleeves. I do have a couple of ideas of how to fix that, but I thought I would ask here, just in case someone else has a better idea before I get started. The armhole is fine, the problem is that I have increased the size of my biceps by a full inch, and also increased the size of my forearm by about 1/2". And the dress was cut with skin tight arms, with the buttons placed on the outer edge of the opening. And one other note, I have learned that when you are experimenting, for goodness sake don't hand-sew. Save the 100% hand-sewn love and attention for things that are *not* experiments. You would think I would know that by now, you would think I would know that by now. There is a photo up, it can give you an idea of the problem, but not much more. http://evilapprentice.livejournal.com/ Suggestions? Thanks, Mari _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 13:32:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58HWa6V026079 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:32:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58HWVd1025369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:32:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58HVlNF069886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58HVjei029436; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from omta16.mta.everyone.net (sitemail2.everyone.net [216.200.145.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58HVVx9029217 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:31:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lalahcatlady@netscape.com) Received: from dm23.mta.everyone.net (bigiplb-dsnat [172.16.0.19]) by omta16.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23215430EB for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:31:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm23 Received: by resin18.mta.everyone.net (EON-PICKUP) id resin18.46587694.4eb3a; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:31:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20070608103120.C989A05A@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:31:20 -0700 From: " Lalah" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book X-Eon-Sig: AQI79nRGaZJokASuEQEAAAAB,5ec5a67966f46cbf46ea9ae2b12aeed5 X-Originating-Ip: [172.163.225.113] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4726c8ea-503a-4133-b990-60625173b051 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466992B0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks. I don't know why it didn't work the first time, but I guess I gave them too much information. Cut and Paste worked just fine. Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- monicaspence@optonline.net wrote: From: monica spence To: Historical Costume Cc: Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:21:25 -0400 Try: The Worldwide History of Dress. When I ordered the book I just cut and pasted the title from here and it came up. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Lalah Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:46 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book I can't find it listed at Amazon. Did you find it under another name? Lalah, Never give up, Never surrender --- monicaspence@optonline.net wrote: From: monica spence To: Historical Costume Cc: Subject: RE: [h-cost] upcoming book Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:38:16 -0400 I'm looking forward to the 1000 color pics. Mine is on order at Amazon. I would kill to get a GOOD fashion history text for my students. I hate the one we are using. Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:23 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] upcoming book > > Title: The Worldwide History of Dress: the Origins of Fashion from > the Paleolithic to the Present. Wow! Nothing like a narrow, specific focus. I look forward to seeing how they did this in 608 pages. 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Just the Net You Need. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 13:34:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58HYuI2026146 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:34:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58HYpha010494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:34:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58HYIp6070332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58HYHMO031805; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:34:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58HYDCV031630 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:34:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE349D197B for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:34:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46699322.8040807@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:34:26 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] asking for suggestions to fix sleeves References: <72adc2660706081010g4cf677dctbfbb086c95f90d70@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <72adc2660706081010g4cf677dctbfbb086c95f90d70@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 84fb0830-1075-45b8-9814-0e4bbc9ee659 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4669933B.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Marie Stewart wrote: > > > The armhole is fine, the problem is that I have increased the size of > my biceps by a full inch, and also increased the size of my forearm by > about 1/2". And the dress was cut with skin tight arms, with the > buttons placed on the outer edge of the opening. That fabric is delicious! I had the same problem the one time I made a dress this style, and I sucessfully added very narrow gores under the arm where it needed it. 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Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Suburban DC costuming day? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0ef1caf-d066-49cf-a9a8-b6a523f4cb22 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46699909.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm game :) Do you think it would be better to just meet for food or something costume-neutral, or try and find a museum/exhibit/something we might all be interested in? Allison T. On 6/8/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:11:03 -0400 > From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: DC :-) > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <4668C8C7.8060606@erols.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Mayhap we should. Who's up for it? > > Sharon Henderson wrote: > > Brenna!!! {{{glomps}}} > > > > Wow, all sorts of folks here I didn't realize were around, but should > > not be surprised... :-) > > > > My day job is being a business analyst and tech writer for a small > > military consulting firm in the VA 'burbs; my night job is being a > > priest in charge of a small congregation in No. VA... the rest of the > > time I costume and try to sleep. *g* > > > > Maybe we should have a Suburban DC costuming day or something! :-) > > > > Meli ferch Iasper, > > AKA Sharon Henderson > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 16:07:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58K79xq031440 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:07:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58K74b2012086 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:07:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58K60gj094360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:06:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58K5ogA065089; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58K5i6q064875 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:05:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070608200534.XDCV901.fep32.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:05:34 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.222]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070608200534.PMHH20303.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:05:34 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c7aa08$75b3dad0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:06:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep47.mail.dk from [80.161.67.222] at Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:05:32 +0200 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=32% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7530df3c-58fb-401b-ad75-1bddb54bc70f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4669B6E8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO As promised here are the pictures of a very happy Sofie, She jumped up and down Notice the big bunch of flowers, nice to have positive feedback from a satisfied costumer: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/terrasse.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 16:12:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KCVML031940 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:12:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58KCQUH025373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:12:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58KBwpw095285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:11:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KBtYZ070872; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:11:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from audi.websitewelcome.com (audi.websitewelcome.com [67.19.210.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KBpOh070690 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:11:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sfarmer@goldsword.com) Received: from cpanel by audi.websitewelcome.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HwkoE-0008Ue-8V; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:11:46 -0500 Received: from 65.13.105.239 ([65.13.105.239]) by www.goldsword.com (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:11:46 -0400 Message-ID: <20070608161146.i2vs9fozsxogsk0c@www.goldsword.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:11:46 -0400 From: "Susan B. Farmer" To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. 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And isn't that nice young man a handsome fellow! :-D susan ----- Susan Farmer sfarmer@goldsword.com University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 16:13:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KDsKX032072 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:13:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58KDnLw014301 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:13:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58KDT6u095510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:13:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KDRpO072258; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:13:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KDJL8072092 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:13:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cc8.1244dfa8 (55328) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by cia-d03.mx.aol.com (v115.17) with ESMTP id MAILCIAD035-d8204669b8513aa; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:13:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000701c7aa08$75b3dad0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000701c7aa08$75b3dad0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> Message-Id: <910b63f08448b2303361ab980e19c134@aol.com> From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:13:02 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f768db96-26fe-43c9-bd32-de8569cbbacb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4669B87D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks for sharing, Bjarne. Glad to see that Dashing Gentleman with Sofie, as well! You each look fabulous! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jun 8, 2007, at 4:06 PM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: > As promised here are the pictures of a very happy Sofie, She jumped up=20 > and down > Notice the big bunch of flowers, nice to have positive feedback from a=20 > satisfied costumer: > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/terrasse.htm > > Bjarne > > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 16:40:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KeU15032632 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:40:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58KePCp007710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:40:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58Kdkj2099540 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:39:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58Kde18095518; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:39:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KdXDI095420 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id EBC202E82B8 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:32:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id 7A1BF2E810C for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:32:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09547 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:39:31 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:39:27 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000701c7aa08$75b3dad0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. Thread-Index: AceqCHT9Rrb19DiuRVukBb32/gxyrwABFksg References: <000701c7aa08$75b3dad0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=15% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba330250-c44f-42e5-84b1-f2c68db42e38 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4669BEB9.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Cindy Abel Omaha NE Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 16:59:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KxJqj000653 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:59:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58KxFvh029253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:59:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58Kv7je001963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:57:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58Kv0On010439; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:57:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.156]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58KuqWV010176 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:56:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.27]) by bay0-omc2-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:56:46 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:56:45 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:56:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" , "GermanRenCostume" , "TheRenaissanceTailor" , "thefrazzledfrau" Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:56:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:56:49 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2007 20:56:45.0741 (UTC) FILETIME=[864775D0:01C7AA0F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=11% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Women in Art. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I would suggest inserting a panel of trim or coordinating fabric up the back of the arm. Rebecca --- Marie Stewart wrote: >> The problem, as you will see in the photo is the > sleeves. It seems > that I have taken a) too long to sew this dress > together and b) that > my weight training regime really is working. In > short, my arms are too > large for the sleeves. I do have a couple of ideas > of how to fix that, > but I thought I would ask here, just in case > someone else has a > better idea before I get started. Rebecca Burch Center Valley Farm Duncan Falls, Ohio, USA The only twelve steps I'm interested in are the ones between the flat folds and the brocades. --Anonymous Costumer-- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 19:37:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58Nb3Ns005080 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:37:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58NawnL010561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:37:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58NaHHf023677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:36:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58NaFq5031551; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:36:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58NaCoB031466 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:36:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:36:47 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7AA25.E149A262" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:36:16 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC60B@lynx.campus.muc.prv> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B9EC60B@lynx.campus.muc.prv> Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. Thread-Index: AceqCKyABj0vCk9bSlec5QtWIuGkcQAHSKo9 References: <000701c7aa08$75b3dad0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2007 23:36:47.0752 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1861080:01C7AA25] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9a404c4a-5c67-4e0e-9e1d-24a0f7451169 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4669E81A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7AA25.E149A262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, Bjarne, =20 How glorious! =20 Patty ________________________________ From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com on behalf of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Fri 6/8/2007 4:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. As promised here are the pictures of a very happy Sofie, She jumped up = and down Notice the big bunch of flowers, nice to have positive feedback from a satisfied costumer: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/terrasse.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7AA25.E149A262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7AA25.E149A262-- From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 19:58:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58NwtBC005830 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:58:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l58Nwogl010707 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 19:58:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l58Nv3Z3026488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:57:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58Nv1om045553; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:57:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.99]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l58Nuu83045442 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:56:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynnroth@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 59244 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2007 23:56:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Zj+ouqRM+sEqJNugZ+vo9bo697XKzYogACYRXjhgGTD7dG2MCESrODNY8jHw2qS/WXseE5uQidykK8qQKwS6nF6tApCDOsJllZ4UBtcplW53lG5b0gMLKf2aZ0gxdEPdWm1a7pkcB5QA8WUH+dPcZGriu3MNPh3iPRRs39NRACE=; X-YMail-OSG: ShevlkkVM1k56YbMY0mYc3EGNPrnmhfYsRgnDlX_9ij8VCNHhBno1r0hvq3Zx0NmJEgTl6j4H.hVDGnyhodvwhFOfziATY5_IREBW8ioqyis8fB5wQM- Received: from [69.37.24.65] by web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:56:50 PDT Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:56:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Lynn Roth Subject: RE: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <001401c7a785$ee03bda0$0a00a8c0@D1V3BRB1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <564785.54620.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be198f3c-949e-462d-bb59-8bbe8b2c6221 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4669ED3A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I will be carrying it soon if you want to check back on my website in a few weeks. -- www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Be the change you want to see in the world" --Ghandi -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of michaela de bruce Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:54 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening > Is buckram washable? If not, what do you recommend I use to add some > stiffness to the collar? Buckram; never get it wet! I just recently managed to reshape my Stickelchen (headdress like Anne of Cleves wore) after it was deformed from water from the hoses putting out our housefire. It has still stretched but most of the shape is fine. But I also have a layer of felt and silk over mine so fine ripples can't really be noticed. I would recommend hair canvas. It's possibly called horse hair canvas in places but it's not relaly horse hair.. at least not only... It's a mottled grey colour and is reasonably easy to get. It's light weight and washable. After washing it loses a little stiffness but it sound slike it will still be quite ideal for a light linen. Regards, Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 20:08:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5908ZY3006123 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:08:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5908UgM020527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:08:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5907tFq027791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 18:07:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5907pHY052476; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 18:07:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.228]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5907lBB052398 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 18:07:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.24]) by bay0-omc3-s28.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:07:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:07:41 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 09 Jun 2007 00:07:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.133.199.144] X-Originating-Email: [praxis_729@hotmail.com] X-Sender: praxis_729@hotmail.com From: "Paula Praxis" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:07:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2007 00:07:41.0871 (UTC) FILETIME=[32AA2BF0:01C7AA2A] X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: net.indra.com 1201; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=12% Subject: [h-cost] Red silk dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b09d1db-3306-44ac-b4f4-6f7b929dc54a X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4669EF7E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 20:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne, Bravo What a beautiful gown and a very lovely and lucky young lady. You are charming in your suit as well. Paula _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 22:34:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l592Y0wp010706 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:34:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l592Xu5p020416 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:34:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l592XEaT043751 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:33:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l592XBqJ033374; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:33:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l592X84t033288 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:33:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Cheryldee@aol.com) Received: from Cheryldee@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c54.14578f6a (32913) for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:32:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Cheryldee@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:32:52 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Inner Stiffening Sources To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 165 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1356; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1404e007-1e77-4d21-b8c7-c2d44a21227b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 466A1194.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/2007 5:57:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, lynnroth@sbcglobal.net writes: Where would you get hair canvas. I've never seen it before. Lynn Diana Habra wrote: I second the hair canvas suggestion. I use it to stiffen all of my bodices and sleeves (if they need it). It is lightweight, gives a natural-looking stiffness, and breathes well. Any place that sells tailoring supplies. It usually goes by the brand name of "Hymo". Collar canvas is stiffer and you have to ask specifically for that. Both contain linen and horse hair. If you get the cheap "Hymo" it has polyester in it and won't shape well. Also, stay away from the fusible stuff which is not nearly as good and also contains polyester. Try Greenburg and Hammer in NYC _www.greenberg-hammer.com_ (http://www.greenberg-hammer.com) or B. Black and Sons in LA Garment District www.bblackandsons.com or Levine Brothers in Los Angeles. _Levine Brothers Woolens and Tailor Supplies_ (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&btnG=Search&um=1&q=levine+brothers&near=Los+Angeles ,+CA&fb=1&latlng=34160087,-118371764,10485584516962819214) 4907 Lankershim Blvd, North Hollywood - 4907 Lankershim Chery ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 8 22:54:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l592sKSG011209 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:54:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l592sFFW012034 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:54:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l592rQ4a045697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:53:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l592rOZd044343; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:53:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l592rJj7044304 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:53:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brennasca@erols.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Jun 2007 22:53:20 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id ITN55344; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 22:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-15-53-34.c3-0.grg-ubr2.lnh-grg.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([216.15.53.34]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 08 Jun 2007 22:53:17 -0400 Message-ID: <466A1611.7070406@erols.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:53:05 -0400 From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Suburban DC costuming day? 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Thurman wrote: > I'm game :) Do you think it would be better to just meet for food or > something costume-neutral, or try and find a museum/exhibit/something > we might all be interested in? > > Allison T. > > On 6/8/07, h-costume-request@indra.com > wrote: >> Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:11:03 -0400 >> From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: DC :-) >> To: Historical Costume >> Message-ID: <4668C8C7.8060606@erols.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Mayhap we should. Who's up for it? >> >> Sharon Henderson wrote: >> > Brenna!!! {{{glomps}}} >> > >> > Wow, all sorts of folks here I didn't realize were around, but should >> > not be surprised... :-) >> > >> > My day job is being a business analyst and tech writer for a small >> > military consulting firm in the VA 'burbs; my night job is being a >> > priest in charge of a small congregation in No. VA... the rest of the >> > time I costume and try to sleep. *g* >> > >> > Maybe we should have a Suburban DC costuming day or something! :-) >> > >> > Meli ferch Iasper, >> > AKA Sharon Henderson >> > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 9 07:10:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59BAJKe015118 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 07:10:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l59BAFng001072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 07:10:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l59B9hVN097101 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 05:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59B9bcn000867; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 05:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59B9Xmo000773 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 05:09:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200706091109.l59B9Xmo000773@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070609110928m11008qjsfe>; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:09:28 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:08:31 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. In-Reply-To: <000701c7aa08$75b3dad0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000701c7aa08$75b3dad0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=7% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 398c4e01-5b09-4e67-8c73-d6f8ca0494c3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 466A8A97.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 04:06 PM 6/8/2007, you wrote: >As promised here are the pictures of a very happy Sofie, She jumped >up and down >Notice the big bunch of flowers, nice to have positive feedback from >a satisfied costumer: >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/terrasse.htm > >Bjarne Darn it all, Bjarne, the back of that dress is so pretty it makes ME want to make one, and I have nowhere to wear such a thing, and no time or money for another era! LOL! It's absolutely gorgeous. Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 9 09:20:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59DKJ8f024551 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:20:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l59DKENZ032231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:20:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l59DJcDY013838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 07:19:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59DJWmR077412; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 07:19:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59DJSpq077374 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 07:19:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so246306ana for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2007 06:19:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cmn79ewmqdQ4cuBV04KRwA8oyUHF00xaBnmmeDQrojuwANe93Z5WGUV/apdVAEQAfR51wqY4MMSdAmn3KlAPAXTLaVtnLMLzTkSDbWFJ17DzvRKx62rzLKVliE/K0/lkMxWgPRTc7oZTZ4vwVcWh0UQrLmAYo4dEwmTAnZ/t7T0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pOGWwoPznTKW6eACLvM3ni+NXLaGrkpVunCjW6Nt818Q9BUpFO+chpnUAzSUImib3LgqgCsJa8KDy9pU0NFVwtZvXKofn1jT9J+ek8It/n0Swrjhh3Gct/YkR5+YuPjIVYklNhoty2ApGbn1fFu50vH81xLR+v0Jfv8b/xuHC4Q= Received: by 10.100.125.5 with SMTP id x5mr2318893anc.1181395168725; Sat, 09 Jun 2007 06:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.41.8 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 06:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660706090619h52befdadpd58fc9d6edb2ff57@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 08:19:28 -0500 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] asking for suggestions to fix sleeves In-Reply-To: <448341.79491.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <72adc2660706081010g4cf677dctbfbb086c95f90d70@mail.gmail.com> <448341.79491.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 1049; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=10% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6ca881c7-04f8-4157-a05e-55d4e1a0e64c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 466AA90E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Jun 2007 09:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thanks folks for the suggestions. I'm thinking along the same lines as Dawn, so I think I will try that first. I'm glad to hear from some one who has also conquered the same problem. Thanks again. Mari > >> The problem, as you will see in the photo is the > > sleeves. It seems that I have taken a) too long to sew this dress > > together and b) that my weight training regime really is working. In > > short, my arms are too large for the sleeves. I do have a couple of ideas > > of how to fix that, but I thought I would ask here, just in case > > someone else has a better idea before I get started. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 9 11:53:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59FrYOT028543 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:53:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l59FrTKO011195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:53:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l59Fqmwk036797 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59Fqi3g077287; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:52:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep34.mail.dk (fep34.mail.dk [80.160.76.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59FqdWO077187 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep34.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070609155229.ODZ1140.fep34.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:52:29 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.222]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070609155229.PILU6126.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:52:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c7aaae$42991ab0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000701c7aa08$75b3dad0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> <200706091109.l59B9Xmo000773@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. 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Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 9 12:26:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59GQm4r029462 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:26:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l59GQhQ4020810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:26:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l59GNsE2042197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:26:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59GEKNB092175; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59GEHNO091938 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:14:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:14:32 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:14:34 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B020A7253@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <000601c7aaae$42991ab0$de43a150@CPQ21932199711> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. Thread-Index: Aceqrm034h1lBj8zS8ONS5pQjLeOswAAsbAg From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jun 2007 16:14:32.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[43F98DB0:01C7AAB1] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d4c7565a-6758-43b5-aab0-98a3b05dc269 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 466AD4C4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Please dont talk of anything important while i am away Thankyou! Bjarne=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 9 14:34:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59IYcXe000566 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:34:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l59IYXNv011510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:34:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l59ISilS062335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:28:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59ISdXY079846; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:28:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59ISaxL079744 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:28:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c7e.ba2e50c (48600) for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:28:28 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:28:28 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Suburban DC costuming day? To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3ca837b8-da65-4b89-a66e-e125a87a4157 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466AF2B9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 6/8/2007 10:53:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, brennasca@erols.com writes: either would be okay by me. We have such a fine set of museums here, it would be a shame to miss them. Anything comung up? It is hard to meet and get to know a group of strangers at a museum exhibit or a restaurant. However, "And so to bed" is at the DAR right now. As I said before, I could put together an event at Riversdale. Perhaps we could have a show and tell of some sort, as there is such a wide variety of interests on this list. We are a house museum and would of course offer tours for anyone who had not been there. Alas, we have no costume collection! If someone on the list wants to organize something, though, by all means, do. I couldn't do anything at Riversdale before late fall or winter. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 9 15:46:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59JkQjY002408 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:46:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l59JkMxx027503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 15:46:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l59JjN8Q077995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:45:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59JjJdT026703; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.154]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l59IdDWb086184 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:39:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 88928 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jun 2007 18:39:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=u3mrjsagqru1V6uyFyUJmn/hKGHELJ4p0/8sWI5Mo+EZuS1v9r+ZVxw97LkxU8SvcceqyM/cqyUgM5rp9aG+k/Wx0WyU6jZAPcm1tx4WcfQ59l7/cFQ1WjCanzDnAQWraVFtZ0xMQchEdC+wxNS9Q+DvCL2s5ZV0LlTIu+4dMSg=; X-YMail-OSG: Ir6lX1QVM1lGkNKIOFITJe3htNWkvR6HiNnfUeb8EgKM8uMwcIGqkg0xgVl4REe5R8JJgH1FDvUbzYzxg4PQ2x1GViml4IT6rhlRDHBZxFaozeKaMyEBN8k2TWxKIQ-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:39:07 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 11:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova To: h-costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <988566.88087.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=28% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] viking apron dress X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f4cc3efa-3eaf-4ddd-98f0-d4a5df31580a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466B038E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, a friend of mine has asked me to sew a viking apron dress for her. But the thing that makes me wonder is that she wants it to be fitted, which would most certainly mean a fastening. Now that's the trouble: I've never heard of any viking fastening but of a brooch or something. Do you know something about that? Were all viking dresses so loose that they didn't need any fastening? If not, what would the fastening be? Many thanks, Zuzana --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 9 16:17:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59KHIin003217 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 16:17:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l59KHD5A002671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 16:17:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l59KGHDW084119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:16:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59KGF8Q044299; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:16:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ultra7.eskimo.com (IDENT:root@ultra7.eskimo.com [204.122.16.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59KGBGE044237 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:16:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from judymitch@theoldforest.net) Received: from [69.72.29.213] (core-dc-4-213.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.29.213]) by ultra7.eskimo.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59KG4Uo001633 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 13:16:05 -0700 Message-ID: <466B0AF6.1090600@theoldforest.net> Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:17:58 -0400 From: Judy Mitchell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] viking apron dress References: <988566.88087.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <988566.88087.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fd72f753-a476-4f1b-886e-0c4d119894cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 466B0AC9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Jun 2007 16:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: > Hi, > > a friend of mine has asked me to sew a viking apron dress for her. But the thing that makes me wonder is that she wants it to be fitted, which would most certainly mean a fastening. Now that's the trouble: I've never heard of any viking fastening but of a brooch or something. Do you know something about that? Were all viking dresses so loose that they didn't need any fastening? If not, what would the fastening be? Hi, The underdress/smock and the dress are basically 2-4 gored dresses, that pull over your head. While they can be somewhat tight, they still have to go over the bust and not rip when you bend or move your arms. Some men's styles of sleevs were tight enough that it was a woman's job to sew the sleeves ends closed once the men were dressed, not sure if the women's were ever that tight. If you made a keyole neckline, there was usually a small brooch to hold it closed, although scoop necks were also known. The apron-dress is a layer on top of the dress. Yes, it does involve 2 brooches that attach spaghetti-strap loops from the back to tiny loops on the front. The apron dress again goes over the head, but the top edges is about armpit level. Does it have to be a shapeless bag? nope. There are many styles of apron-dresses, but if you make it out of rectangular panels with gores inserted in between you can do a bit of tailoring to still make it fit tightly at the upper body and flow nicley over the hips. Also, there is some evidence that Inga Hagg mentions in her Hedeby book, about long darts at the side, which would have run from the top edge to about the waste, and they would create more tailoring. I usually made my apron-dresses by measuring from bust point to bust point and making that my panel width. Figuring than how many panels it would take to go around me, and adding in gores in between. There was usually some bagginess at the top, but those side darts could take a lot of that out. As long as you can still get out of it! Others prefer make their panel width more dependant on fabric width and figure how many of those it would take to wrap around. I figure they were working on a warp-weighted loom and would weave whatever width they darn well wanted. Because of my particular shape, I prefered the additional in gores. Many people who are thinner prefer the gores calculated into the panels creating fewer seams (I can't get that out of my fabric). Hope this helps, -Judy Mitchell _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 9 19:21:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59NLl2e008668 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:21:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l59NLgRJ031214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:21:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l59NL9Y2007412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:21:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59NL5bP045073; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:21:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5d.socket.net [216.106.26.212]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l59NL2eH045050 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 17:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FD2D35E3D for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:21:02 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] viking apron dress Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:21:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <988566.88087.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95cfe1a8-db38-49a4-9ed3-9c27d3775198 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 466B3606.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It would be snug in the chest area. I have an apron dress that is snug in the bust for a wee bit o' support. The weave of the fabric allows some give so that you can pull it over the head. This is similar to the pattern I made. http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/mjc/sca/aprond.html extra info http://www.silverdor.org/viking/vikingad.html http://www.tjurslakter.nl/viking%20apron-dress.pdf http://www.earlyperiod.com/articles/viking-apron.php http://www.vikingagevessels.org/documents/C_%20Viking%20Womens%20Costume.pdf http://members.aol.com/MtFreehold/Viking_handout_women.pdf I had another site earmarked but can seem to find it. De -----Original Message----- Hi, a friend of mine has asked me to sew a viking apron dress for her. But the thing that makes me wonder is that she wants it to be fitted, which would most certainly mean a fastening. Now that's the trouble: I've never heard of any viking fastening but of a brooch or something. Do you know something about that? Were all viking dresses so loose that they didn't need any fastening? If not, what would the fastening be? Many thanks, Zuzana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 9 22:22:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5A2MtCN013955 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:22:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5A2Movm003005 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:22:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5A2Ltue024941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5A2LpQt029075; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:21:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5A2LnoP029061 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:21:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1284905wxc for ; Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:21:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FttDJ1FPVyGOMVcPbQ7Jvu6XFTBY6M4ffd2lx6bWrzPv6fZUjHklKFYtfR/w5MyisEFyTfQxbUiJd+TGIJdVCJbK9Abt9NnR0oq6owO4DjH39ypk3AL/Oig7uBbDE2QzKxpDZWoTYnhmReNLRYsmnxDCA42PtaxrFaKE0wsioLo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Qnfj/OUSBRoO0ZL58gwGzOFYHOQbeftAPjCBp1+oCHuZvEUhHl00/A8wFoYJjDzBEBYZ3Np5IIhjdFcfaDWdPeBvnN3f02BNALqlBlrrs7LpNsTtCWF1gh0pZNRf/NlR4EFBpaZ4LKS+QnFaTNpMO7byD3X3bg5GD/8Ie/CcSs0= Received: by 10.70.123.14 with SMTP id v14mr6561230wxc.1181442109339; Sat, 09 Jun 2007 19:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190706091921j34a2cb7fid16976f0f59650db@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:21:49 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=9% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Suburban DC costuming day? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0b854f1-11ac-4ff1-9598-9ce8eb72c47d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 466B607A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In DC there are 3 things I'm currently aware of: Red at the Textile Museum: http://www.textilemuseum.org/exhibitions/current.htm Italian Renaissance and Baroque Women Painters at the National Museum of Women in the arts (not costume focused, but lots of portraits with costume detail): http://www.nmwa.org/exhibition/detail.asp?exhibitid=151 Native American women's dresses at the new(ish) National Museum of the American Indian: http://www.nmai.si.edu/subpage.cfm?subpage=exhibitions&second=dc If anyone is 1) interested in a hike to Baltimore and/or 2) also interested in modern textile art, there's an exhibit of Japanese textiles at the Baltimore Museum of Art (scroll down): http://www.artbma.org/exhibitions/index.html Allison T. On 6/9/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: - > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:53:05 -0400 > From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Suburban DC costuming day? > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <466A1611.7070406@erols.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > either would be okay by me. We have such a fine set of museums here, it > would be a shame to miss them. Anything comung up? _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 10 00:49:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5A4nirH018224 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:49:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5A4ndwK020745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:49:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5A4nFEj038187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:49:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5A4nCT1094462; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:49:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5A4n9Wm094441 for ; Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:49:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brennasca@erols.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Jun 2007 00:49:09 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id NKT95841; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-15-53-34.c3-0.grg-ubr2.lnh-grg.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([216.15.53.34]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Jun 2007 00:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: <466B82B3.1000808@erols.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:48:51 -0400 From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Suburban DC costuming day? References: <7d21ac190706091921j34a2cb7fid16976f0f59650db@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190706091921j34a2cb7fid16976f0f59650db@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=8% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e709feae-eb2a-4927-bf35-e7621f7106b4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 466B82E3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I saw an advertisement on a bus for the American Indian exhibit. And the Italian renaissance sound good too. Jerry A. Thurman wrote: > In DC there are 3 things I'm currently aware of: > > Red at the Textile Museum: > http://www.textilemuseum.org/exhibitions/current.htm > > Italian Renaissance and Baroque Women Painters at the National Museum > of Women in the arts (not costume focused, but lots of portraits with > costume detail): > http://www.nmwa.org/exhibition/detail.asp?exhibitid=151 > > Native American women's dresses at the new(ish) National Museum of the > American Indian: > http://www.nmai.si.edu/subpage.cfm?subpage=exhibitions&second=dc > > If anyone is 1) interested in a hike to Baltimore and/or 2) also > interested in modern textile art, there's an exhibit of Japanese > textiles at the Baltimore Museum of Art (scroll down): > http://www.artbma.org/exhibitions/index.html > > Allison T. > > On 6/9/07, h-costume-request@indra.com > wrote: > - >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 22:53:05 -0400 >> From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Suburban DC costuming day? >> To: Historical Costume >> Message-ID: <466A1611.7070406@erols.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> either would be okay by me. We have such a fine set of museums here, it >> would be a shame to miss them. Anything comung up? > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 10 03:49:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5A7mx2i022408 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:49:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5A7mt9f011033 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 03:48:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5A7mC2e061490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:48:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5A7m8t8071992; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:48:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.91.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5A7m42r071828 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 01:48:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zkraemerova@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4150 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Jun 2007 07:47:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=f8whGWFuDMYcSJzTqXEuRJjj9FW0BmnYJs4jy0lbZSVp3yy8EgMM6ZdseYz3iHqj00igsweHeLeGJ1CQRSsMvRBCcvgjJ+BBjO4rNAJ0xFjHk3hql5aFPRmzoeNbvFOTe49a5a0EON0E8tMBSQhgkZ5yteHFPZdiq5S037jU22w=; X-YMail-OSG: U8iUgR8VM1khZNCcegvtt3ZEeeHBQTa.YZ2ahldaN1F0oAO1E55lhxFwsrRyVwNw.Q-- Received: from [212.24.150.226] by web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:47:59 PDT Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Zuzana Kraemerova Subject: RE: [h-cost] viking apron dress To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <659198.94399.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=31% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 91aa091e-aa29-4472-999a-676a3c654e0f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 466BACE7.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Travel. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 10 12:12:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5AGCMXp007949 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:12:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5AGCHeW012049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:12:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5AGBcm7022820 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:11:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5AGBYiL038476; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:11:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from carp.serverhost.net (carp.serverhost.net [216.71.32.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5AGBV5Y038402 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:11:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from althea@alfalfapress.com) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (c-24-21-156-164.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [24.21.156.164]) by carp.serverhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id l5AGBP021216 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:11:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <2C650BD6-1226-4A76-9072-447ECF6BADF3@alfalfapress.com> From: Althea Turner Subject: Re: [h-cost] viking apron dress Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 09:11:22 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; bulk rep Body=many Fuz1=many Fuz2=many rep=57% Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 356f0eb2-2f95-4311-baed-50be0785ef3c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466C22E1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Just a heads up. If you follow the first "extra info" link to http:// www.vikinganswerlady.org/, you will get a rather nasty site that tries to put malware on your computer. I'm on Mac, so it didn't manage to do bad things, but I had to hard close my browser to leave the site. If you know who links to that site, you might want them to update their links. Althea On Jun 9, 2007, at 4:21 PM, otsisto wrote: > It would be snug in the chest area. I have an apron dress that is > snug in > the bust for a wee bit o' support. The weave of the fabric allows > some give > so that you can pull it over the head. > This is similar to the pattern I made. > http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/mjc/sca/aprond.html > > extra info > http://www.silverdor.org/viking/vikingad.html > > http://www.tjurslakter.nl/viking%20apron-dress.pdf > > http://www.earlyperiod.com/articles/viking-apron.php > > http://www.vikingagevessels.org/documents/C_%20Viking%20Womens% > 20Costume.pdf > > http://members.aol.com/MtFreehold/Viking_handout_women.pdf > > I had another site earmarked but can seem to find it. > > De > > -----Original Message----- > Hi, > > a friend of mine has asked me to sew a viking apron dress for her. > But the > thing that makes me wonder is that she wants it to be fitted, which > would > most certainly mean a fastening. Now that's the trouble: I've never > heard of > any viking fastening but of a brooch or something. Do you know > something > about that? Were all viking dresses so loose that they didn't need any > fastening? If not, what would the fastening be? > > Many thanks, > > Zuzana > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner althea@alfalfapress.com "Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things." William of Conches, 12th century _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 10 15:11:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5AJBeaX011548 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:11:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5AJBZAA029888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:11:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5AJ9qWS046094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:09:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5AJ9lRr052392; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:09:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5d.socket.net [216.106.26.212]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5AJ9hOB052342 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 13:09:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 01EFA35788 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:09:42 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] viking apron dress Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 14:10:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <2C650BD6-1226-4A76-9072-447ECF6BADF3@alfalfapress.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=5% Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fbb904f5-e428-4e14-aa63-1f244b1f70aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466C4CE7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Althea _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 10 20:28:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B0SKVP020068 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:28:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5B0SGrt010185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:28:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5B0RZdq080963 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:27:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B0RTdu027436; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:27:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B0RQHr027407 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 18:27:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imcozit@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([71.245.161.203]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JJG0054D3X8S542@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 19:27:20 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:27:40 -0400 From: Cozit / Liz In-reply-to: <200706101800.l5AI05pS010973@net.indra.com> To: h-costume@indra.com Message-id: <466C96FC.7050907@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <200706101800.l5AI05pS010973@net.indra.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: current DC exhibits X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1dd9cf9f-bf97-4c2d-8153-cc4bd4d1a27e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466C9720.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 10 Jun 2007 20:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There's actually one more - the "Treasures of American History" exhibit at the Air and Space Museum has Jackie Kennedy's inaugural gown, Sandra Day O'Connor's judicial robes, a dress of Mary Todd Lincoln's (I can't remember off the top of my head if that was an inaugural gown, or another), a dress belonging to Margaret Mead (specially made to accomodate her changing dress size every time that she went out on her expeditions), a pair of Marilyn Monroe's gloves (and a pair of Mohammad Ali's boxing gloves), Andrew Jackson's uniform, an outfit of Ray Charles' (gold sequins on black - I suspect they figured the brighter jackets that were on display a year or two ago wouldn't look right in with the other items on display in that area), George Washington's uniform (dress uniform, dating from *after* the American Revolution), a (buffalo?) skin coat belonging to Gen. Custer, a *bunch* of hats dating from the mid 1800s to present-day... a poofy shirt from "Seinfeld", Mr. Roger's sweater (one of... reminds me I need to drop the curator a note about that...).. and currently a wedding kimono that belonged to a Japanese immigrant to Hawaii. Hmm... oh, I forgot, the scarecrow costume from the "Wizard of Oz", Dorothy's red shoes, a *gorgeous* Oscar de la Renta (sp?) gown (can't imagine painting and attaching all those gold covered feathers!)... I think that's it - - I've got *most* of the collection memorized at this point, but I do tend to forget parts. (*g* forgot one of the guns when I listed them to a visitor this morning - had to find him again to tell him it was *four* rather than three... and that pike and sword to round off the weapons on display). I volunteer as a docent with the Museum of American History - currently only working in that exhibit once a month, while the museum's closed for renovation. Yup - I'm in the DC area - ish - also, but closer to Baltimore. I'd love to get together with folks if there's a get-together, but with two kids and other stuff going on, spare time that "works" with others is rare. One reason I'm always happy to see those who stop by at MDRF when they do :-) -Liz / Elisabeth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 11 02:25:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B6P18x010989 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:25:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5B6OuFT012682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:25:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5B6O4P0022567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:24:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B6O060006953; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:24:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5B6NubQ006929 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 00:23:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.70] (209-148-118-70.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l5B6Nskq005340 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:23:55 -0700 Message-ID: <466CEA7E.8000306@lavoltapress.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 23:23:58 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: h-costume@indra.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=4% Cc: Subject: [h-cost] House for sale X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 96262e3e-e4ae-41f3-9c8b-9715b1109bcd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466CEAB9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 11 09:16:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BDG8lk012351 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:16:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5BDG4AE016283 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:16:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5BDF5fG075960 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:15:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BDF0Go034187; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:15:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BDEv4E034115 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:14:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jmdpease@att.net) Received: from mwebmail08.att.net ([204.127.135.29]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2007061113145111100dbg1oe>; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:14:51 +0000 Received: from [63.241.202.8] by mwebmail08.att.net; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:14:51 +0000 From: jmdpease@att.net (Jane Pease) To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:14:51 +0000 Message-Id: <061120071314.8156.466D4ACB00011F3F00001FDC21603759640A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Mar 24 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: am1kcGVhc2VAYXR0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: net.indra.com 1044; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 rep=6% Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Things to do in DC X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e3618371-9576-4aca-b21f-22d8c03d0019 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 466D4B14.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Jane Pease _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 11 11:04:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BF4vam015787 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:04:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5BF4qqi029406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:04:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5BF3UdI093750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BF3RaP028185; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:03:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BF3NEw028117 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:03:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.70.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.70]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1HxlQQ-0003f8-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:03:22 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <061120071314.8156.466D4ACB00011F3F00001FDC21603759640A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> References: <061120071314.8156.466D4ACB00011F3F00001FDC21603759640A9C0E0A9F0B0306@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Things to do in DC Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:04:41 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c84aefe9-983b-4447-b778-2703837d0332 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 466D6494.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I was in D.C. this weekend for a professional meeting and didn't get out of the hotel (frustrating!), but I did have a drink with a friend (and former dean) who is a docent at the National Portrait Gallery. He's very enthusiastic about the Great Britons collection, which he says both very interesting and high-quality. He particularly mentioned the Elizabeth and a Shakespeare. If you visit the exhibit and your docent is Al Schmidt, tell him I said hi. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 11, 2007, at 9:14 AM, Jane Pease wrote: > In addition to the other exhibitions mentioned for a possible DC > meet-up, the National Portrait Gallery has "Great Britons, " > portraits from the last 500 years, including the Ditchley portrait > of Elizabeth. Since it was mounted a an adjunct to the Queen's > recent visit, it may have some very interesting portraits to see. > > Jane Pease > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 11 12:53:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BGrpp8018959 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:53:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5BGrl7P027975 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:53:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5BGoMGu012926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:50:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BGoJdv050517; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:50:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BGoE8v050322 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:50:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.172.99 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=n8NVD_dcaF6aXBrawm4A:9 a=7KMoZmwJGVR42Hsvmx41bX41NR0A:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMzAFIabUZQL6xjUGdsb2JhbACBToVliA4BAT8B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,408,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="1444768" Received: from 80-47-172-99.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.47.172.99]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 11 Jun 2007 17:49:36 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070611174814.026f4b70@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 17:50:07 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Town Crier In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 07b80163-1f4e-486f-a3ad-4eb3b4de790f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 466D7E1B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 17:28 11/06/2007, you wrote: >I have a friend who wants me to make him a costume for an American colonial >Town Crier. He says he's seen an illustration with the Crier in, >judging from >what he describes, as an English Smock. Would this be so? Of course I want >him in a coat and waistcoat [even if the smock is correct, I still >have to do >breeches and a shirt]. He may just not want to fool with a coat ["It's >hot."]. I wondered if the Crier was some kind of city official...like with a >uniform or something to indicate his office. I suppose that might >depend on the >town. > >Any thoughts and/or directions on research would be greatly appreciated. If you Google Town Crier, (Images) you will find a number if pictures of Town Criers, all in pseudo 18th century gear. This is what I remember from my childhood in Stratford on Avon. See also "Beadle", who was a similar status official. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 11 13:30:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BHUHSa019965 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:30:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5BHUCYE020745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:30:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5BGTgrd008418 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:29:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BGTS9B027364; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:29:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BGTMgP027157 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:29:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d3c.a793576 (14502) for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:28:41 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Town Crier X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 38f3aee3-cdd4-42a0-ac67-4bdd3f205ef8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 466D86A4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Any thoughts and/or directions on research would be greatly appreciated. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 11 16:44:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BKinG9023962 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:44:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5BKihoJ000659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5BKgpOC054147 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:42:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BKgVWh088269; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:42:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5BKgPdo088184 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A1CA6904DA; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:34:18 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Beautiful!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:06 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Sofie in the dress. As promised here are the pictures of a very happy Sofie, She jumped up and down Notice the big bunch of flowers, nice to have positive feedback from a satisfied costumer: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/terrasse.htm Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 11 20:39:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C0drFB029216 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:39:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5C0dkKa020035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:39:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5C0d6nS085315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:39:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C0d2Qj077922; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:39:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from twonetom18.sge.net (twonetom18.sge.net [152.91.2.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5C0cu6X077766 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:38:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Annette.Wilson@environment.gov.au) Received: from twonetvs13.sge.net (twonetvs-om [152.91.2.17]) by twonetom18.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F322AC54 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:38:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from twonetvs13.sge.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC7714EF5 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:59:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from iceberg.bar.gwy (iceberg.sge.net [152.91.9.131]) by twonetvs13.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659A214F20 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:59:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailgate.internal.govt (mailtest.deh.bar.gwy [10.24.32.10]) by iceberg.bar.gwy with ESMTP id l5C0cfOY024501 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:38:45 +1000 (EST) X-WSS-ID: 0JJHZ4K-01-48R-01 Received: from act01excfelb1a.internal.govt (act01excfelb1a.internal.govt [155.187.66.20]) by mailgate.internal.govt (Tumbleweed MailGate) with ESMTP id D06C71479FF05 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:38:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from act02mf01.internal.govt ([155.187.12.21]) by act01excfelb1a.internal.govt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:38:40 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable x-classification-classification: 1 - UNCLASSIFIED X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 x-classification-fullclassification: UNCLASSIFIED/#/# x-titus-version: 2.60.0.29 x-protective-marking: VER=2005.6, NS=gov.au, SEC=UNCLASSIFIED, ORIGIN=Annette.Wilson@environment.gov.au Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:38:40 +1000 Message-ID: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CFA4AEA6@act02mf01.internal.govt> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Things to do in DC [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Thread-Index: AcesbjjnUSDujaNWQgCMFjhApEikFQAGsJrQ From: "Wilson, Annette" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jun 2007 00:38:40.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[058DEC80:01C7AC8A] X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] RE: Things to do in DC [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e29f79e-1ac4-4ab3-9e7f-7efcfc9356cf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 466DEB52.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I will be in Washington DC with my husband for two and a half days in late July. The exhibitions so far described sound interesting, especially the=20 one on Red at the Textile Museum and the Italian Renaissance and Baroque Women Painters I hope they will still be on, and I would also be grateful for advice on any really good fabric shops there, though if I remember right this was discussed not long ago and there wasn't much. Can any one also recommend (off-list since it isn't topical) a good, reasonably priced hotel which is fairly central to the Smithsonian musuems=3F I'm really looking forward to this - it will be the first time we have been to Washington except for a stopover at the airport (which doesn't count :-) Annette Wilson in wintery Canberra, Australia ------If you have received this transmission in error please notify us = immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any = = attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute = = waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of = information in the e-mail or attachments. ------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 11 23:30:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C3UKlV002022 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:30:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5C3UGDA030285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:30:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5C3TJUM003854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C3TFY8079565; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C3TBIG079487 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 111406555 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:29:05 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CFA4AEA6@act02mf01.internal.govt> Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Things to do in DC [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:28:47 -0500 Message-ID: <01f201c7aca1$cc322920$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CFA4AEA6@act02mf01.internal.govt> Thread-Index: AcesbjjnUSDujaNWQgCMFjhApEikFQAGsJrQAAYu5uA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 68, in=74, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5410ea91-db3b-408e-ad19-a27a9fdc9e73 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 466E1348.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have stayed at the Harrington. Not elegant, but clean and reasonable, in a great location. Kim http://www.hotel-harrington.com/ -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wilson, Annette Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:39 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] RE: Things to do in DC [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] I will be in Washington DC with my husband for two and a half days in late July. The exhibitions so far described sound interesting, especially the one on Red at the Textile Museum and the Italian Renaissance and Baroque Women Painters I hope they will still be on, and I would also be grateful for advice on any really good fabric shops there, though if I remember right this was discussed not long ago and there wasn't much. Can any one also recommend (off-list since it isn't topical) a good, reasonably priced hotel which is fairly central to the Smithsonian musuems? I'm really looking forward to this - it will be the first time we have been to Washington except for a stopover at the airport (which doesn't count :-) Annette Wilson in wintery Canberra, Australia ------If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. ------ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 12 05:18:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C9IjwH017633 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:18:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5C9IeC7027362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:18:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5C9I2LH035804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:18:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C9HtCe060766; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com (imo-m28.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C9HpQ3060660 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 03:17:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d3a.b4c8965 (30737) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:17:44 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Things to do in DC [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4dbcae7c-2c1a-42c7-abf2-066b843a9407 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 466E64F0.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 6/11/2007 11:30:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kbaird@cableone.net writes: on any really good fabric shops there, In addition to G Street Fabrics (you can get to the Rockville store via Metro), this store is downtown. I was wondering if it was still there, but the website looks up to date: Exquisite Fabrics _http://www.exqfabrics.com/_ (http://www.exqfabrics.com/) Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 12 07:52:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CBqWnN016334 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:52:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5CBqSb5007412 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:52:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5CBpkVR052622 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:51:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CBpiw1041121; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:51:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.57]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CBpeiH041034 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:51:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5CBpV5A028015 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Women in Art. OT- a little Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:51:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c7ace8$03afc6f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AceqEBFP3lAOr9ExR5WiOzC+07HedQC1+CMg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe2f74d1-57ae-4de8-bf8b-34cf9618a473 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 466E88FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO How charming! Thanks for pointing it out. Jenn -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 4:57 PM To: h-costume; GermanRenCostume; TheRenaissanceTailor; thefrazzledfrau Subject: [h-cost] Women in Art. OT- a little This is pretty cool, and while it may be OT, we will all recognize some of the paintings! less than 3 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDIoN-_Hxs _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 12 09:02:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CD23IC018532 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:02:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5CD1xaM019337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:02:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5CD18xK063991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:01:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CD15Ku087636; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:01:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5C6Fo9q067446 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:15:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.172.99 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=T-OtlRxPAAAA:8 a=1UpHTvIG17UMBEz8YRkA:9 a=rKSWOsmALoEXGace2iIe8YgkpIsA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusRAP7WbUZQL6xjUGdsb2JhbACPPwEBPwE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,410,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="1534468" Received: from 80-47-172-99.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.47.172.99]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 12 Jun 2007 07:15:10 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070612071352.02711c28@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 07:15:45 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: RE: [h-cost] RE: Things to do in DC In-Reply-To: <01f201c7aca1$cc322920$bb00a8c0@anteckim> References: <19FFF895B5F1524999BFB8C0ACCEA3CFA4AEA6@act02mf01.internal.govt> <01f201c7aca1$cc322920$bb00a8c0@anteckim> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 8e4f7df0-62de-49c0-97fa-1c04d8843d83 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 466E9947.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 04:28 12/06/2007, you wrote: >I have stayed at the Harrington. Not elegant, but clean and reasonable, in a >great location. > >Kim > >http://www.hotel-harrington.com/ I second the Harrington. We stayed there last year on recommendation from this list, and it is within walking distance of everywhere we wanted to go on a short trip. Suzi >I will be in Washington DC with my husband for two and a half days in late >July. >The exhibitions so far described sound interesting, especially the one on >Red at the Textile Museum and the Italian Renaissance and Baroque Women >Painters > >I hope they will still be on, and I would also be grateful for advice on any >really good fabric shops there, though if I remember right this was >discussed not long ago and there wasn't much. > >Can any one also recommend (off-list since it isn't topical) a good, >reasonably priced hotel which is fairly central to the Smithsonian musuems? > >I'm really looking forward to this - it will be the first time we have been >to Washington except for a stopover at the airport (which doesn't count :-) > >Annette Wilson >in wintery Canberra, Australia _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 12 14:10:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CIA0M5027465 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:10:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5CI9tmR023776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:09:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5CI8nNT014390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:08:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CI8flb074386; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:08:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CI8aDP074313 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:08:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so4476118pyg for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:08:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oH8anD/+/PwNBCNvE0F5iPQzL5yfwtOWPQNu8Mze7nLTjxldSdw8xGrsC+i4y4ozJ6vlAM8beUsIvaAxL+fYA8N3dcDwSY7DflTphpIFFNayi9DiGIfi/GyqG9WQ7RvqISlnh/MqGenFoP/BkFvL6cJN2BERCsVA9seCddYiIXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HOBB4y2Tez32piy6SnZsrIoLvbXvL06zY+gKjS4ke9JL13nfOMDQpuIAzygHK6bw2/A0Osky6Jc/+iZNbL3vnDTTTWxGgU1vcQ2O3qfuA9mWxonylfICxyGlnEE1O4CiK7U6574W/or5WbRSuXEhYxuKtbKopmRV+02uXGKYqFM= Received: by 10.65.83.18 with SMTP id k18mr9839424qbl.1181671713746; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.83.20 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0706121108j554c3ab5i9567a0d603cce283@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:08:33 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Town Crier In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070611174814.026f4b70@suziclarke.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070611174814.026f4b70@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bae57292-8003-41e8-b5d6-cd9855793f40 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 466EE173.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There is also a town crier competition, in Benicia, California, I believe. You may want to google that competition to see what has been in the contest previously. LynnD On 6/11/07, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 17:28 11/06/2007, you wrote: > >I have a friend who wants me to make him a costume for an American colonial > >Town Crier. He says he's seen an illustration with the Crier in, > >judging from > >what he describes, as an English Smock. Would this be so? Of course I want > >him in a coat and waistcoat [even if the smock is correct, I still > >have to do > >breeches and a shirt]. He may just not want to fool with a coat ["It's > >hot."]. I wondered if the Crier was some kind of city official...like with a > >uniform or something to indicate his office. I suppose that might > >depend on the > >town. > > > >Any thoughts and/or directions on research would be greatly appreciated. > > If you Google Town Crier, (Images) you will find a number if pictures > of Town Criers, all in pseudo 18th century gear. This is what I > remember from my childhood in Stratford on Avon. See also "Beadle", > who was a similar status official. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 12 14:59:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CIxnPD028693 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:59:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5CIxj7s018970 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:59:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5CIwTSK021385 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:58:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CIwRHU021588; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:58:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CIwLYH021479 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:58:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from brennasca@erols.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Jun 2007 14:58:20 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id NLA41990; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-15-53-34.c3-0.grg-ubr2.lnh-grg.md.cable.rcn.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([216.15.53.34]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 12 Jun 2007 14:58:15 -0400 Message-ID: <466EECC6.9060804@erols.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:58:14 -0400 From: Jeraldine Rorstrom-Lee User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE: Things to do in DC [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: baa5ef5d-d2a2-42d4-aada-c0a5fef8a4d4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 466EED21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In deed, it is and is open Mon through Sat. Brenna AnnBWass@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/11/2007 11:30:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > kbaird@cableone.net writes: > > on any > really good fabric shops there, > > > In addition to G Street Fabrics (you can get to the Rockville store via > Metro), this store is downtown. I was wondering if it was still there, but the > website looks up to date: > > Exquisite Fabrics _http://www.exqfabrics.com/_ (http://www.exqfabrics.com/) > > Ann Wass > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 12 21:59:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D1xcB9008459 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:59:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5D1xYbL017006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:59:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5D1vnQV075139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:57:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D1vg1H065141; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:57:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5D1vbSp065037 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:57:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fritzythedog@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 21085 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2007 01:57:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GQswlkfLv0NojpBzgKNgmpXEk8NduiZT0fi7HOqXK79F56rkyLxBBlAKwFChKX3iCgbNzbtNDlxxV3yZ3OaZD5NpgxTIKOq+PD+qbbcbqeJinptmRLUIoerG8fesDeudt46VaUIUiJsa+VYARE46G4d+2HKMlpKSuPD5TV1f6g0= ; Message-ID: <20070613015732.21083.qmail@web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 5eJTdDQVM1knDm7DvgIcxpSSvXGHTfLi0wTJibFhju.GOTZHAGeT38TbNfMluhAE0KWaeFTuPQWAkHCcn4xxWo4Eda3uUVDaE0_WphiBzgtNGd913TmDV2_avwY- Received: from [86.130.39.234] by web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:57:32 BST Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 02:57:32 +0100 (BST) From: Kishan Maynard - Clarke To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Edwardian Straight Front Theory X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ecc8a7e8-0745-4c52-9705-2fc3ff856c04 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 466F4F86.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, first time poster. Firstly thank you for having a place where there is alot of knowledge and willingness to help. I recently started corsetry around three months ago. I'm a very technically minded person so have spent most of the time working out patterns for under and overbusts with great success...I can say I understand the shapes. But having recently bought the past patterns edwardian straight front corset I am completely dumbfounded as to what these lines are doing to creat this dramatic curve. I have drafted atleast 6 of my own patterns and sewn 3 mockups but I seem to be going further from the solution, I've had a look at the patterns here aswell. My question is this, I'm not asking for trade secrets but can someone tell me how each line of a straight front pattern affects the end result shape? I've noticed there are incredibly large gaps between pieces in the waist and bust sometimes adding upto 6-8 inches reduction. Also the s-curve line...should it be located dead on the side line? Straight or at an angle? Should the waistline be angled upwards towards the back? Should the top and bottom follow suit or stay straight? I mean I basically understand the principle of it, basically it's just like a normal corset with the waist reduced as normal. Then from the side you pull back the top and bottom lines until the front is straight and the back gets curved but looking at the patterns there must be more to it. If anyone who drafts there own patterns could give me some technical insight it would be much appreciated. You see I don't want to just copy patterns, I want to understand how there made giving me a greater insight into making my own. I have looked at every resource there is on the net and I can't find anything technical to help me and I'm sick of not understanding what I'm doing when drafting. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 12 23:39:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D3dRC1011239 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:39:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5D3dMDk018411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:39:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5D3cc04085978 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:38:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D3cZvX026035; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:38:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D3cWrN026009 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:38:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.209] (209-148-118-209.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l5D3cUNo019575 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:38:31 -0700 Message-ID: <466F66B7.80705@lavoltapress.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:38:31 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian Straight Front Theory References: <20070613015732.21083.qmail@web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20070613015732.21083.qmail@web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f46f86ed-feae-4441-85b0-78b0a9932da4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 466F66EA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > > But having recently bought the past patterns edwardian straight front corset I am completely dumbfounded as to what these lines are doing to creat this dramatic curve. > I haven't made this pattern, though I have made Victorian corsets. One thing to remember about the fashionable Edwardian S-curve silhouette is that it involves more than the corset. First, fashionable women wore hip pads. Second, the S-shape was enhanced considerably by a fashionable posture: Lean forward from the waist and stick out your behind, BUT, also thrust your bosom out (also padded if necessary, or enhanced with a ruffled corset cover; the effect should be as if your bosom was placed rather low), AND, throw your head backward. When feasible: Also, put one hand behind your back at waist level, with your elbow bent and the back of your hand pressing against the small of your back. Use your other hand to hold a parasol, or to lean on the back of a chair or something. Fran Lavolta Press Books of Historic Costume Patterns http://www.lavoltapress.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 01:19:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D5JsDX013736 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:19:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5D5Joi4011021 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:19:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5D5J0Cx096290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:19:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D5IuD8079163; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:18:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D5IpoN079084 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:18:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d10.cb211dc (43933) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:18:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian Straight Front Theory To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 04f06a44-a046-4f6a-8df8-4e77b7bf56f2 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 466F7E76.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Find another pattern! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 01:45:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D5j7LN014377 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:45:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5D5j3w6027571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:45:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5D5iPwv098990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:44:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D5iNUQ092025; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5D5iKMv091999 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:44:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1HyLeV1QOM-0002qs; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:44:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c7ad7d$db201aa0$6401a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070613015732.21083.qmail@web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <466F66B7.80705@lavoltapress.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian Straight Front Theory Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:44:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+0poO/TLGmDa4Ubg+7mQp/hZiyTGBCuzSg6p7 yqIDjpmE7kc/2q3lwTxcvmFEYoLqL5Ta2oHVvJkmeewGiC9VbY PTvAbdhuc/N0VGTN7GrPQ== X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 060a13c1-c259-4587-a7ff-bc84a3e0b23c X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 466F845F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I just taught this lesson a week and a half ago, so it is fresh in my mine. I have done research as to what makes the S-shape silhouette. I also teach this in my class and dress out forms to show the students how this look was created. My grades or in (YIPPEE) so I have time to read the list again! The S-shape gives an illusion of a very small waist. It is an illusion! The silhouette is called pigeon-breast, but was first called the Marie Antoinette Dip or Parisian Dip. The bodice and skirt waistline are worn lower in the front and higher in the back. This difference from previous silhouettes is that the back can be from 1-2" higher than a normal waistline. . I have online an article from Delineator magazine, Sept. 1900, titled "The Dressmaker: The Maier Antoinette Dip" by A.L. Gorman. I also provide online some examples of fashion plates and some of Butterick's patterns for the dipped shirt. The rear pad is not as large as the previous decade. The bust can be made larger with bust improvers. Alden O'Brien at DAR in Washington DC has a wonderful wire mesh bust improver. The bodice of the Parisian Dip creates a mono-bosom. The bodices for these dresses have an inner bodice that are usually boned similar to a corset. If a woman is not well endowed, this look needs an improver or stuffing in-between the two bodices. The outer bodice generally has a generous amount of fabric compared to the inner bodice. Most of the bodices that I have worked with have a petersham band to hold the bodice in place. From the photos I have observed, large women look really nice in this silhouette. Small chested women do not create the silhouette well without enhancers. The skirts from 1899-the Edwardian period have really unique designs. I admire the detailing and overlaid panels/yokes made onto/into them. The skirts in period magazines are described by how many gores are in the skirt. The skirt gores are generally in odd number, 3, 5, 7, etc. The petticoats of this time followed the same waistline placement as the skirt. I have several petticoats with the flat center front and layers of ruffles in the back. One that comes to mind has five rows of ruffles on the train or sweep. The top row (first) is the widest and starts near the placement of our present day side seams. Each ruffle is about 1.5 " deep. I have all of this measured and in my notes for the petticoat's photograph on my computer. The second row of ruffles is shorter in length but the depth is the same for all ruffles. Each row to #5 is shorter in length than the previous. Row 5 is not very long. The rows of ruffles are set upon the petticoat. The center back seam for this petticoat has mirroring wedge shaped gores from about the knee down. The skirt's sweep of the Parisian Dip skirt is very important to the silhouette. Last semester I found another Delineator article about the different types of sweeps/trains and their names for this time period. I plan to get this article and one more on this subject online this summer. The beginning of the Parisian Dip is smaller and more of a funnel shape, almost V-shaped at the centerfront waistline. It almost comes in a point just below the normal waistline. I have a lot of these bodices and no belt is worn exteriorly. Most have a built in girdle at the bottom. The midriff area in the lower front generally has several bones. Some of the girdles have separate bones from the inner bodice. As the decade progresses the lower front bodice becomes more rounded or bloused looking more like the pigeon's breast (the real bird.) I need to look at my fashion magazines this summer and try to pin-point around when in 1899 the Parisian Dip makes its debut. This style is also fashionable today for evening wear. Look at Jessica Biel's Oscar dress, http://www.oscar.com/oscarnight/redcarpet/?pn=gallery&g=0&i=4 This silhouette has been all over the fashion mags since the Oscars. The dip is becoming more pronounced every month generally with a dark colored belt. I guess with Jennifer Lopez making having a booty fashionable, this silhouette returning to fashion's limelight makes sense. It seems I recall my students from the spring semester pointed out three actresses wearing Parisian Dip dresses at the Oscars. I showed an Oscar Red Carpet video to my students and they had to pin-point fashions inspired from previous decades. Most of the students got the time frames incorrect on the Oscar project. But this was near the beginning of the semester. The last week of class each student is required to give me a current fashion magazine. Then as part of my final exam, I hand the magazine back to them. I gave them 30 minutes to find 5 fashions that are inspired from the time periods they have studied. They had to write an argument about why they thought each fashion was inspired from a previous decade. Last Friday's final exam, only two students got one time frame wrong. All the other student got their answers correct. This is a good way to show the students how much they have learned. Try this with a fashion magazine! It is fun! It is a game with me to try to find something that has NOT been inspired from a previous time period. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 12:22:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DGMVoo003442 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:22:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DGMQje022764 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:22:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DGLGRP084959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:21:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DGL89X017116; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:21:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DGKv0M016842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:21:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gcshc-h-costume@gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1HyVaO-0006YL-CG for h-costume@mail.indra.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:20:44 +0200 Received: from rrcs-72-43-68-175.nys.biz.rr.com ([72.43.68.175]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:20:44 +0200 Received: from adelaide by rrcs-72-43-68-175.nys.biz.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:20:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Anne Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:21:54 -0400 Lines: 13 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rrcs-72-43-68-175.nys.biz.rr.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7121c039-7fbb-4f28-ba78-ab84916d3207 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467019C2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here is a neat computer morphing film based on many portraits that H-Costumers will be familiar with. Pretty cool what you can do with a computer and 500 years worth of beautiful art! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDIoN-_Hxs or http://tinyurl.com/23mle4 Enjoy! Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 13:01:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DH10hh004904 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:01:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DH0ueB007330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:01:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DH0BSb091503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:00:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DH09sA055351; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:00:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DH05h2055288 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:00:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b8so60360ana for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:00:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i6z9s7rstKbyYWMvn2a172HP07m8kpxSLcL9d9TMPHkFxiqIPu9Nwymr1Xp19uMBdV+3Vs4LzmIrDt5NaBAWSlzYzzuUoKOiRgEiAffFLmUzX+exVHPnuW2KZXIBUE6lxJCnTgJk2MMfHtw8swodZBtJ738iPV9HyxThr194OPI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZnBTj/MMrIqbXXYjQt6o80bN3JApD09X9MSnZ2tNm4eFsQhTsBSM105wYwqVe92nAvGmLnnJ+k4hFEczHd+opQauB5fImFEQowJqaonkCP5Tl+V+0mQslZCxjggu9H9R8HNbyH5UNY9zm28Xbz9cDNjFDmFCH7oJMuNYv7h8onE= Received: by 10.100.9.19 with SMTP id 19mr492755ani.1181754005165; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.94.17 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660706131000x5a62e4f1mb75cc590f90b8e6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:00:05 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 15457e8d-2a70-4888-a351-b03cc9bdcf0c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467022C8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you Anne. > > http://tinyurl.com/23mle4 > > Enjoy! > > Anne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 13:07:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DH765O005157 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:07:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DH72Oo010530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:07:06 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DH4IDI092248 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:04:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DH4EQb059686; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:04:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DH45MW059372 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:04:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.171.178 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=PpkP3F8wzdOSe8Z9eKEA:9 a=m2J_tdThlBUGc5RnIsEUPeSaR6AA:4 a=GzFm3-dnSnoA:10 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkchAF/Ab0ZQL6uyUGdsb2JhbACBTY1wAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,417,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="1781676" Received: from 80-47-171-178.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.47.171.178]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 13 Jun 2007 18:03:31 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070613180324.027577c0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:04:00 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective In-Reply-To: <72adc2660706131000x5a62e4f1mb75cc590f90b8e6d@mail.gmail.co m> References: <72adc2660706131000x5a62e4f1mb75cc590f90b8e6d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 39e06396-e4f1-463a-aee9-c80da8bee37a X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46702436.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 13:42:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DHgbke006525 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:42:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DHgXMh011887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:42:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DHdYpr098202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:39:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DHdTkq093598; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:39:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DHdNpi093433 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:39:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c99.11c63191 (30737) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:39:14 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:39:14 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33396970-33e9-48ee-b75a-c258fdba2cde X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46702C89.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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And I love to hear the Bach solo cello too! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 13:48:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DHmcbg006738 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:48:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DHmXvl007135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:48:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DHeToc098345 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:40:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DHeRhO094483; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:40:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com (imo-m27.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DHeM5q094325 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:40:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bbb.154d23e2 (30737) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:40:15 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:40:15 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0fc2c2e4-c5f9-41ce-9494-3ed70cd55b0f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46702DF2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Why? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 13:55:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DHtvfb006988 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:55:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DHtr0g017421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:55:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DHnkcw000180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:49:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DHnemR003307; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-1-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.52]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DHnT2e003060 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:49:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.171.178 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=vczxnFKxQeC_Pkd7OwkA:9 a=XBKeVKGnQn8R56co29zi62tlpt0A:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AplZADfKb0ZQL6uyUGdsb2JhbACBTYVmiAoBAT8B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,417,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="1878299" Received: from 80-47-171-178.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.47.171.178]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 13 Jun 2007 18:48:43 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070613184651.0274d9d0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:49:22 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 78a4da78-2355-4a2c-af6e-27e403e0b12b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46702FA9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 16:40:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DKe1jF012709 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DKdurZ025403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DKb0tM027119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:37:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DKapwt063406; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:36:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtao03.charter.net (mtao03.charter.net [209.225.8.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DKajgi063202 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:36:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from CatDevereaux@alleycatscratch.com) Received: from aa02.charter.net ([10.20.200.154]) by mtao03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070613203635.ZDPE1525.mtao03.charter.net@aa02.charter.net> for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:36:35 -0400 Received: from Maxwell ([66.215.24.51]) by aa02.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070613203635.HPMY22936.aa02.charter.net@Maxwell> for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:36:35 -0400 From: "Cat Devereaux" To: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:36:35 -0700 Message-ID: <017c01c7adfa$891fcb60$3318d742@Maxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6822 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acet5PsVw1qc081ET6ykM+TIdV30bQAEpSkg In-Reply-To: <200706131801.l5DI0wEH014504@net.indra.com> X-Chzlrs: 0 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Edwardian Straight Front Theory X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8268caa3-1503-4609-9759-47fe4a3201a7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4670561D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I needed to make a straight-front corset to go with Janet Arnold's 1901 Ribbon Dress for my sister's wedding. I did it minus patters and = mocking up on check fabric (to keep the grain though out). Basically I worked from = the much earlier laughing moon pattern sheet (didn't have the pattern w/ me) = and "Corsets and Crinolines". If you look at the partner pieces and = drawing... the first thing you really notices is that the straight front corsets = have real HIPS! The hip area is not just an extension of smoothing the = waist, it's flaring out to embrace a "newly discovered" sexy part of the woman. My pieces ended up staying fairly similar on top except for sucking in = the bust lines a bit in front, and releasing out the back. =20 In the bottom... that's where the magic happens. I took in as much as I could at the waist area and release in the hip area... release to the = sides and back in a fairly even manner. It worked. That part of the body is fleshy and you can move it around w/ just a little containment and not tight-lacing. In my final... the waist area were really thin strips, the hip pieces = are giant. By the time the pattern was done, I could see why some of the commercial manufactures went to separate hip pieces, but I had enough interlining I felt safe. If I remember correctly, the biggest back hip pieces had a 1:4 ration. Oh, while making it... I did a bit of temp boning and front and back to = keep those lines cleaner while testing the last couple of mock ups. I topped this off with a ruffled corset cover to help fill out the top = of the "S". My sister's hips didn't need the pad. (And to help keep the = hip line clean, I used waist bands about 2"- 4". The underskirt was a = typical gathered layered skirt with a rope kick panel at the bottom and the = outer layer was exactly from Hunissette's circular ruff petticoat=20 These layers all add together to give that shape illusion... and w/o = needing to tight lace the corset. -Cat- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 16:46:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DKkSO5012950 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:46:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DKkOWg032643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:46:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DKjZf6028628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:45:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DKjVbO071068; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:45:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DKeMIq066492 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:40:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rapierlady@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=tSL1xfckTeHxcPCGe2Rk40ciAsgyi9Z2UBJgelJcftin72LEDGDeorcEyFQimVU/; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.32] (helo=elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HyZdZ-0004bY-FV for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:40:17 -0400 Received: from 76.180.2.105 by webmail.pas.earthlink.net with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:40:17 -0400 Message-ID: <16066575.1181767217404.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Wendy Colbert To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Edwardian Straight Front Theory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 0a030519c2a4ee4cf8c10fa22fe64701239a348a220c26093dba51bd2f8a20fa8e6b2653330aefbca2d4e88014a4647c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 64a822d4-4a46-40f1-80e8-5d5cf153ba3b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467057A0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO -----Original Message----- >From: Cat Devereaux >Sent: Jun 13, 2007 4:36 PM >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Re: Edwardian Straight Front Theory > >I needed to make a straight-front corset to go with Janet Arnold's 1901 >Ribbon Dress for my sister's wedding. I did it minus patters and mocking up >on check fabric (to keep the grain though out). Basically I worked from the >much earlier laughing moon pattern sheet (didn't have the pattern w/ me) and >"Corsets and Crinolines". If you look at the partner pieces and drawing... >the first thing you really notices is that the straight front corsets have >real HIPS! The hip area is not just an extension of smoothing the waist, >it's flaring out to embrace a "newly discovered" sexy part of the woman. > > >My pieces ended up staying fairly similar on top except for sucking in the >bust lines a bit in front, and releasing out the back. > >In the bottom... that's where the magic happens. I took in as much as I >could at the waist area and release in the hip area... release to the sides >and back in a fairly even manner. It worked. That part of the body is >fleshy and you can move it around w/ just a little containment and not >tight-lacing. > >In my final... the waist area were really thin strips, the hip pieces are >giant. By the time the pattern was done, I could see why some of the >commercial manufactures went to separate hip pieces, but I had enough >interlining I felt safe. If I remember correctly, the biggest back hip >pieces had a 1:4 ration. > >Oh, while making it... I did a bit of temp boning and front and back to keep >those lines cleaner while testing the last couple of mock ups. > >I topped this off with a ruffled corset cover to help fill out the top of >the "S". My sister's hips didn't need the pad. (And to help keep the hip >line clean, I used waist bands about 2"- 4". The underskirt was a typical >gathered layered skirt with a rope kick panel at the bottom and the outer >layer was exactly from Hunissette's circular ruff petticoat > >These layers all add together to give that shape illusion... and w/o needing >to tight lace the corset. > >-Cat- > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 16:46:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DKkoGa012962 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:46:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DKkkXZ020070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:46:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DKj5Mo028536 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DKj3fV070638; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:45:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao102.cox.net (eastrmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.240.8]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DKXvSR060828 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070613203352.BIRV29750.eastrmmtao102.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:33:52 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.140]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id B8Zr1X00h32JwDy0000000; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:33:52 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070613184651.0274d9d0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:33:45 -0400 Message-ID: <002701c7adfa$240057e0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070613184651.0274d9d0@suziclarke.co.uk> thread-index: Acet4500XitcVxkBQe6XhpwxrE4ViAAFjxgg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c94c500f-c5ff-4124-9f5f-72ca04c2dbca X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467057B6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >The metamorphosis between "faces" reminds me of nothing less than the >"transformations" in werewolf movies. "An American Werewolf in >London" in particular has the whole face stretching and morphing. >Ugh! I accept that it is very clever, but goodness it gives me the >creeps. Too many horror movies in my youth no doubt! >Suzi Ah, yes. A truly misspent youth :) It was pretty strange but cleverly done. The part that worried me was how many faces I recognized !! Anne No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 18:55:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DMt13v016845 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:55:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DMsvf2004378 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:55:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DMpXtw046293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:51:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DMpUYX079798; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web52803.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web52803.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.48.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5DMpQro079691 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:51:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kjp1685@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2348 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2007 22:51:20 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=biX/LORvupeOcFAPQmLRL1losXTuzO0Pfd381aQkfSZfBFjG3Awp/x4D7Yvo5Uroe4MOLJ6a0Xd173mAelQWYYM2etGED9E56tdNEjhFXOWtTs0UxqTHnLmJkJuXhV198Dv1CzggudqNjtjH8n92TAC0iBBVuladQ1dF+g1ORqo=; X-YMail-OSG: gvLG_e8VM1mW_0vFopW.VTHHH4b4rzQ2LF_I1jriKyKNbzt.3OVieWQkEQk_s4OyI_eLlLzWJGVVRIBNrH8R1_Wk6j58yoGVrSPOrWALFRxFGaPWKQV29cI94kjFebftXZT3PUL.2A9OQxg228TT9F6p5w-- Received: from [68.103.26.71] by web52803.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:51:20 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:51:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathryn Parke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <909171.1596.qm@web52803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ebc3aa3a-9b92-45a2-806b-1606d00c57da X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 467075C1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Janet _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 19:16:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DNGRVl017334 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:16:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DNGN4R019306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:16:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DN9wZP048275 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:09:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DN9vLR092390; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:09:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com (web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com [206.190.58.191]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5DN9s8v092288 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from faerieglenstudios@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 19600 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jun 2007 23:09:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=R+tWDaykOe22DeyPh/WCHbRs8wEouZZY9gGH1tiAlVh3NrcSBtrobVwh9N/Hsc/wvnFregiYIl2mRnGjW25Zgq8chFCFZbx6uC2iqEWXCxzgSet3NUVDts4m035wOZ8x8q11s2WJGzkp+J4eXpjKY22uENUN4trc6BlgXxMZ3WI=; X-YMail-OSG: OskqGU4VM1nZGd63k_h6SzPTNW7PiJKFZHnvLrfn.f0QLNmrOchACG5EUsmbAWB7ZWUYVPkzC9qBHsgTPL4Zd33nRbBproq4O6TX8Jyi2Pc2GJ0krDC0E57gYLx8fYJF Received: from [208.67.10.163] by web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:09:48 PDT Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:09:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jodi Nelson To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <701239.19581.qm@web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] Question about Viking Fabrics X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2621b548-ad0e-495e-9c12-c58afe5803df X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46707AC7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Check out fun summer activities for kids. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 19:16:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DNGd06017343 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:16:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DNGZow019799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:16:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DNDUEd048673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:13:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DNDUXW095150; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DNDQ8U095065 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:13:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1181776400-1f7f00060000-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[194.6.181.33] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1181776400 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [194.6.181.33]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 81CCF34AE7; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:13:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 466D2BA90011BF5D; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:13:20 +0200 Message-ID: <006701c7ae10$83de1d30$be00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" , References: <20070613015732.21083.qmail@web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><466F66B7.80705@lavoltapress.com> <000a01c7ad7d$db201aa0$6401a8c0@momlaptop> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian Straight Front Theory (x-post) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Edwardian Straight Front Theory (x-post) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:13:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 216dd417-3b89-490f-ba69-c4f4e6efb294 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46707AD3.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The cut of the corset itself is really very impressive from an engineering standpoint. I taught myself how to create patterns for them by looking at the originals, and _had_ to figure out the purpose of each piece and feature. First, the difference in stance and silhouette is not just an artifact of the way the women held themselves--though that certainly has something to do with it. Rather, it is engineered right into the corset itself. Picture this: stand up, and ignoring your hips and bust, stick your navel as far forward as you can. This causes several things to happen to the rest of your body: your back waist curve is emphasized as much as possible, the bottom of your ribcage goes up and forward, your shoulders automatically go back, and your hips angle a bit as though you were bending forward slightly. This is the origin of the straight-front pose, and this is exactly what the corset is engineered to create... by the simple expedient of forcing your navel into the leading position. Now picture a cross-section of your waist. Mentally divide it into a front quarter, a back quarter, a left side quarter, and a right side quarter. Whereas the earlier Victorian corsets compressed the waist almost all the way around, the straight-front corset is designed so that almost all of the waist compression happens in those two side quarters. This creates an optical illusion; viewed from the front, the waist seems extremely small, because there's a much more noticeable corve inwards on the sides. And even though the waist is thicker when viewed from the side than it would be in a Victorian corset, the exaggerated back curve fools the eye into seeing a smaller waist. The cut of the corset is what causes all this to happen. Whereas a Victorian corset has basically vertical panels, the Edwardian is designed more like this: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/corsfronta.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/corsbacka.gif with an upside-down triangle wrapping across the front with the top two points meeting and overlapping in the back, and a right-side-up triangle across the back with the bottom two points wrapping around to meet at the front. You can follow the path of the pressure and compression brought to bear by the back lacing by following the diagonal line formed where the two triangular sections meet. Pressure above the waist at the back helps force the navel and lower ribcage forward ; along the sides, the pressure compresses the waist; at the front, it keeps the lower abdomen from billowing out. The rest of the corset exists to anchor this vital pressure/compression line. Let's take these very typical mid-decade corsets as an example: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/cb1905.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/CBalaS2.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/Royal_Worchester_corsets.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/CBalaS1.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/ebay03373.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/ebay06440.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/CorsetPix.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/Thomsons_deep_hip.gif http://www.formfunction.org/temp/ad115.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/ebay01433.jpg http://www.formfunction.org/temp/rwbt01.jpg The "triangle effect" along with the diagonal pressure line it creates from top back to bottom front is immediately visible, and is echoed in the diagonal pattern pieces that follow this line. The number of these pieces varies, and on some examples they're completely missing, but a seam is still visible along this line. It is this diagonal seam that provides enough strength to handle the pressure being brought to bear; the more seams you see there, the more compression the corset is able to provide. The rest of the corset is cut to accomodate that imoprtant diagonal line. Triangular gores, apart from being downright necessary once you have that diagonal line to maintain, allow the hip area to flare from the waist dramatically yet curvaceously. The shape of the triangular gores at the bust need be tweaked only slightly to create any of several bust shapes. In the earliest versions, additional bust gores were added to allow for a lifted and separated bust; in middle and later versions, these extra gores made room for larger busts on dowager (stout older lady) corsets. However, throughout most of the period, the gores were actually used to remove support from the bust rather than add to it--after all, a low bust was The Look. While earlier examples showed it was clearly possible to cut the bust of the corset for support, the most typical Edwardian corsets merely flared out a bit to provide space into which the bust could sag down. Though the cut did much to create the overall effect of the corset, certain other elements existed to enforce it. The boning, far from following the lines of the seams, was almost always vertical, for two main reasons: first, vertical placement keeps the bones from twisting as they follow the corset's curves, and second, vertical boning causes pressure to be distributed horizontally. Wherever that all-important diagonal pressure line crosses vertical boning, the two pressure zones combine, to increase the area that the diagonal pressure line can affect. In other words, instead of a line of pressure the width of a single seam, you now have a line of pressure several inches wide. (Away from that diagonal pressure line, the boning mostly just exists to keep the garment smooth.) Along the same lines as the horizontal pressure distribution of the boning, internal waist bands were also added to many corsets. Stretching from the upper back waist to the lower abdomen, they were still rather diagonal, but much closer to the horizontal; they were along the same general line as the waist band of the garments actually being worn with the straight-front corset. Whereas the earlier exaggerations in form created by the corset style were mostly exaggerated in illustration only: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/rwbt01.jpg corsetmakers soon learned how much could be done with this diagonal pressure line, and the later exaggerations were exaggerations in the actual corseted form: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/8994df8c.jpg . When this exaggeration reached its peak near the end of the decade, the return to straighter lines was founded on the straighter lines of the corset itself: the corsets were once again cut on the old vertical-panel principle. http://www.formfunction.org/temp/corset1111.jpg Though diagonal lines still made a part of the pattern, they were no longer used to create a diagonal pressure line. You may notice that I've gone this far without really discussing the actual straight-front part itself much. This is because--though a vital part of the corset--it's actually a very SMALL part of the corset. Take a look at this ad: http://www.formfunction.org/temp/CBalaS3.jpg and you'll see, semi-intentionally illustrated, the portion of the front of the corset that is actually straight. That narrow triangle with its top point between the bust, and the base over the abdomen, split in to by the busk? (Looks like and occasionally actually is a flattened spoon busk, as a matter of fact.) Spread the base an inch or so wider, and THAT is the only area of the corset that is actually a straight front! That's the part that should be flat and straight and in no way curvaceous in an Edwardian straight-front corset. Everything else curves. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 19:21:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DNLrDS017447 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:21:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DNLnek013772 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:21:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5DNKOQH049349 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:20:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DNKMRo099605; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:20:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtpauth.cybermesa.com (smtpauth.cybermesa.com [65.19.4.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5DNJpqj099221 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sovagris@cybermesa.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (75-162-19-194.desm.qwest.net [75.162.19.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth.cybermesa.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5DNJjax007876 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:19:45 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <200706131800.l5DI0CGu013607@net.indra.com> References: <200706131800.l5DI0CGu013607@net.indra.com> Message-Id: From: Suzanne Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:19:43 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: youtube film X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0de0bbd0-9c69-44de-821a-f766c7f33f09 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46707C0D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > From: Suzi Clarke > Date: June 13, 2007 12:04:00 PM CDT > To: Historical Costume > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective > > >> >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/23mle4 >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> Anne > > > > Am I the only one that thinks this is quite horrible? > > Suzi > Well, no. I didn't enjoy it either. I can appreciate the technique but IMO it's not pretty or informative. Suzanne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 22:08:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E281Ng019780 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:08:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5E27vWL013778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:08:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5E25paE066675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:05:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E25fln095818; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:05:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E25bZv095781 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:05:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CAC70032E for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:03:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Viking Fabrics Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:03:24 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <701239.19581.qm@web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <701239.19581.qm@web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706132203.24982.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7d7311fb-afb0-408f-9ce2-4d698a81ae3e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4670A2FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Elizabeth Wincott Heckett wrote about the Dublin finds in this book, which is available from Amazon Marketplace: Viking Age Headcoverings From Dublin (Medieval Dublin Excavations) (Hardcover) by Elizabeth Wincott Heckett. # Hardcover: 152 pages # Publisher: Royal Irish Academy (December 2003) # Language: English # ISBN-10: 0954385551 # ISBN-13: 978-0954385552 Probably the Coppergate cap is written up in Penelope Walton Rogers's book on the textile finds at that site: Textiles, Cordage and Raw Fibre from 16-22 Coppergate (The Archaeology of York) # Publisher: Council for British Archaeology (1989) # ISBN-10: 0906780799 # ISBN-13: 978-0906780794 I haven't been able to find this book (it's out of print) but ILL should turn up a copy. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 23:01:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E311mM020782 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:01:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5E30uwM001867 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:01:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5E30Q0u073364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:00:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E30OCq025456; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:00:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc15.comcast.net (rwcrmhc15.comcast.net [216.148.227.155]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E30Lcw025386 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:00:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (c-71-196-218-99.hsd1.co.comcast.net[71.196.218.99]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc15) with SMTP id <20070614030015m1500su7l8e>; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:00:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <200706131800.l5DI0CGu013607@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3a6f7bc8969c1fd7b38f1a0428ffb128@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: youtube film Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:00:14 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 931a5fce-8145-44b9-b5a0-51bde499fa85 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4670AF68.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sylrog On Jun 13, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Suzanne wrote: > >> From: Suzi Clarke >> Date: June 13, 2007 12:04:00 PM CDT >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/23mle4 >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> Anne >> >> >> >> Am I the only one that thinks this is quite horrible? >> >> Suzi >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 13 23:38:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E3clVa021535 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:38:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5E3chZD025813 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:38:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5E3WLaW076525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:32:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E3WEZf042356; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:32:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E3WBpO042283 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:32:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5E3W2pX013753 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:32:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <72adc2660706131000x5a62e4f1mb75cc590f90b8e6d@mail.gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070613180324.027577c0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:31:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c7ae34$91594e70$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20070613180324.027577c0@suziclarke.co.uk> Thread-Index: Acet3Xqf/sqkAIdNTdavArvj/et2mgAVqnjQ X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45e395e4-2313-4665-9405-7010d8ede3d9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4670B843.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I thought there was a certain beauty about it but I think the producer moved to quickly. With fewer paintings and slower segways I think it would have been less disturbing. I thought the quiet peacefulness of many of the faces no matter the time was rather charming. Jenn -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Suzi Clarke Sent: 2007-06-13 13:04 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective At 18:00 13/06/2007, you wrote: >Thank you Anne. > >> >>http://tinyurl.com/23mle4 >> >>Enjoy! >> >>Anne Am I the only one that thinks this is quite horrible? Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 14 00:00:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E40LI4021920 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:00:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5E40GJc006972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:00:21 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5E3tTpe079104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:55:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E3tSCR054611; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:55:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E3tOr4054531 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:55:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=nm9oGysMHqblm4EQAH4pEeLJYqlRNcfC3frCMxhS0f5TQkz705qKe5+yL7Vz6NOH; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.3.232.134] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1HygQZ-0000wf-91 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:55:19 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <701239.19581.qm@web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com> References: <701239.19581.qm@web55312.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <90BD497A-C2F9-4811-85EE-0EEFFA113BE2@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] Question about Viking Fabrics Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:55:37 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478ef9d46f14f0b08ba2c0c0875bb2561b4b5cd783463dfdc2a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.232.134 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba5ddbcf-f8a0-45e2-893f-46a7b8b8a28e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4670BD50.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jun 13, 2007, at 4:09 PM, Jodi Nelson wrote: > I am looking for evidence of clothing made of silk in 9th-11th C > Viking society. Any ideas where I should look? In addition to the headwear that Cathy mentioned, there are a couple of good resources for silk used to _trim_ Viking clothing. Specifically the publications on textiles from Birka and from the Oseburg find. In both cases, we're talking primarily about narrow strips cut from imported decorative silk fabrics that have been applied as trim to some garment (although the nature of the garment isn't always identifiable). Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 14 01:26:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E5Qa9a024050 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:26:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5E5QV3c003678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:26:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5E5NlJa088146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:23:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E5NhPD098863; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:23:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E5Ncmu098819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:23:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-31-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.31]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l5E5NaQS005549 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:23:37 +1000 Message-ID: <003b01c7ae44$2961c170$1fddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:23:36 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 1850s bonnet -opinions anyone? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4b216861-2efe-4aab-9777-4cc655f1f5e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4670D188.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A friend pointed me to "Just Two Tailors" http://www.just2tailors.com/?category=Hats for their low crown straw hats and while I was there I noticed their straw cottage bonnet. To me it looks relatively good but I'd like the opinion of more experienced milliners on whether it is accurate for the mid to late 1850s? thanks Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 14 05:25:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E9PvUa025493 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:25:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5E9PrA2001517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:25:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5E9P7TA015146 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E9P3Ff025509; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:25:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E9Oxfk025407 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:25:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JJM00IBDCTECS71@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:24:38 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: youtube film In-reply-to: <3a6f7bc8969c1fd7b38f1a0428ffb128@ntw.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 15f41b6c-47b9-4cbb-adbf-15d7a551a2c5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467109A1.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I liked it. Not only was it a test of painter and period, but styles and techniques. But then I teach art history... Monica -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:00 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: youtube film I thought it was pretty cool. Reminded me of a mushroom trip I took once. Sylrog On Jun 13, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Suzanne wrote: > >> From: Suzi Clarke >> Date: June 13, 2007 12:04:00 PM CDT >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/23mle4 >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> Anne >> >> >> >> Am I the only one that thinks this is quite horrible? >> >> Suzi >> _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 14 05:51:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E9pv1E026806 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:51:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5E9pqrc003680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 05:51:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5E9pTD7017873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E9pRux038777; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:51:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5E9pMdD038728 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 03:51:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-221-31-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.221.31]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l5E9pJ4k032655 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:51:21 +1000 Message-ID: <00be01c7ae69$91703ec0$1fddf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <72adc2660706131000x5a62e4f1mb75cc590f90b8e6d@mail.gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20070613180324.027577c0@suziclarke.co.uk> <000a01c7ae34$91594e70$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:51:22 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-dmv.com-Metrics: ra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 09abc548-2513-4c0a-9b34-0a41b58e44b6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46710FB9.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 14 23:27:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5F3RkHi028482 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:27:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5F3RgCO001523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:27:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5F3MMuk098697 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:22:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5F3MHjf014823; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:22:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5F3MFtM014762 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 21:22:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from emeraldepona@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81221 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2007 03:22:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1rL8fwWn54ezQ2JDE9DGd+81vt20GNHeGJLDWPE0xR9BLQmfiWhvRbtH1XdfDXHLlOpoAik28QW0btE55gRjJO6v6JrpyZcXavFTRHT+BpRAaB3DV8LsAcmn4Qlfxzjhlml/gog1E8d8vzxDvWCpZ6qgcoLjgZVQl8fsbEE/In8=; X-YMail-OSG: FRIw7LkVM1mniecPjiHT54wAYMQIZui6YhBHuuJSHtoqdSHQNBFzRC1v74magfQg2IAaeXR.ZTvyTj8Q41NGcJP5dAhk3IoLX_7KlD6iYOxoQVk2244- Received: from [216.37.221.32] by web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:22:09 PDT Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: youtube film To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <755926.80253.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f45b0ecf-0413-47ea-870d-42d8bb677727 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4672072E.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sylrog On Jun 13, 2007, at 5:19 PM, Suzanne wrote: > >> From: Suzi Clarke >> Date: June 13, 2007 12:04:00 PM CDT >> To: Historical Costume >> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective >> >> >>> >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/23mle4 >>>> >>>> Enjoy! >>>> >>>> Anne >> >> >> >> Am I the only one that thinks this is quite horrible? >> >> Suzi --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 15 06:08:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FA89gb002916 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:08:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5FA857i022079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:08:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5FA75CT049303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:07:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FA6xbf054178; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:06:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FA6uSt054136 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 04:06:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hz8hh-000KOy-18 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:06:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:05:40 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Women in Art Retrospective References: <7.0.1.0.2.20070613184651.0274d9d0@suziclarke.co.uk> <002701c7adfa$240057e0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <002701c7adfa$240057e0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.06-U (<3u+N+Vn74zN2WH4tLJnTWGUdeV>) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 62602c7c-59f1-4d33-a003-02921e2dfcf6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46726505.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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But some of the later faces don't fit together so well, and it does get a bit disturbing at the end with the abstract pieces! Jean -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 15 08:52:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FCqAVH017847 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:52:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5FCq6oh023288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:52:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5FCpUYf074198 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:51:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FCpQj8058072; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FCpOYZ057939 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:51:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: youtube film Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:51:18 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <755926.80253.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Re: youtube film Thread-Index: Aceu/TUlTfDlMIlaTM6QEAogKKirkwATo9UA References: <755926.80253.qm@web31008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 98633173-bab1-448a-a323-f8923fcb18e1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46728B76.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 15 14:48:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FImFNr022923 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:48:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5FImBQa014052 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:48:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5FIlNrA043792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FIlFvE003393; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FIl5td003180 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.46]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070615184659.NDYD21809.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:46:59 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.46]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070615184659.MWLT15791.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:46:59 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:46:35 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20070615184659.MWLT15791.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] NESAT 9 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ede91dc-8200-4e16-836b-884cabacfc7b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4672DEEB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Deadline for submission of papers=20 is 1st July 2007. http://ctr.hum.ku.dk/nesat/ Preliminary program 13 May, Tuesday 18-20: CTR/University of=20 Copenhagen - reception and registration 14 May, Wednesday 9-17: CTR/University of Copenhagen - sessions 15 May, Thursday 9-17: CTR/University of Copenhagen - sessions 16 May, Friday 9-14: CTR/University of Copenhagen - sessions 17 May, Saturday 9-15: Prinsens Pal=E6/National Museum of Denmark -= sessions Other events National Museum of Denmark - opening of the new=20 exhibition of the prehistoric section. Lejre Experimental Centre - research visit Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 15 15:15:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FJFPw6023709 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:15:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5FJFKme030333 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:15:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5FJEkTh049111 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:14:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FJEd1M029375; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:14:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5FJEUr4029121 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:14:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.46]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070615191424.VVFG3155.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:14:24 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.46]) by ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070615191424.NFSD15791.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:14:24 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:13:56 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070615191424.NFSD15791.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] book - Natural Dyes by Cardon X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17dd8a8f-96ee-4334-a7a4-e28f00963889 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4672E548.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 16 09:25:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5GDP4Ln008115 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:25:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5GDP06V028493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 09:25:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5GDOO2d089715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:24:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5GDOItO023839; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from server020.dfw.nationwide.net (server020.dfw.nationwide.net [206.123.129.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5FJlDYq060336 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 13:47:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dch@inreach.com) Received: (qmail 3801 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2007 19:47:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO spamfilter.nationwide.net) (127.0.0.1) by server020.dfw.nationwide.net with SMTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:47:11 +0000 Received: from 162.119.64.110 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dch@inreach.com) by spamfilter.nationwide.net with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6329.162.119.64.110.1181936831.squirrel@spamfilter.nationwide.net> In-Reply-To: <20070615191424.NFSD15791.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T415 5.alltel.net> References: <20070615191424.NFSD15791.ispmxaamta08-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] book - Natural Dyes by Cardon From: "Diana Habra" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: c1e9a589-b167-4ac3-8507-a735c131bbfc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4673E4AC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Diana -- www.RenaissanceFabrics.net "Everything for the Costumer" "Become the change you want to see in the world." --Ghandi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 16 16:30:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5GKU4NP000922 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:30:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5GKU05S029565 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5GJSonq036138 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:28:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5GJShiD069859; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:28:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.166]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5GJSesa069760 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:28:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.180.54]) by ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070616192835.ZTCM21809.ispmxmta05-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:28:35 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.180.54]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070616192834.VFYG23532.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:28:34 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:28:08 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] book - Natural Dyes by Cardon In-Reply-To: <200706161800.l5GI0FdQ013419@net.indra.com> References: <200706161800.l5GI0FdQ013419@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070616192834.VFYG23532.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 90fa0478-457b-4de7-9412-43cc55d4ed9b X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46744848.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I had it on order at a substantially better price.. let's see if they honor the price on my original order. BTW other booksellers are still offering it at a pretty good price. Beth At 01:00 PM 6/16/2007, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:47:11 -0700 (PDT) >From: "Diana Habra" > > > Finally published! ... but the booksellers are still waiting. > > > > Natural Dyes - sources, tradition, technology, science by Dominique > > Cardon ISBN: 190498200x > > > > http://www.archetype.co.uk/ click on 'recently published' > >Looks like a cool book but $170??!! Yikes! > >Diana _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 17 23:39:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5I3dr1E014352 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:39:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5I3dnES020831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:39:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5I3Zj6w065671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5I3ZeN6051744; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:35:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5I3Zawc051716 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:35:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penny@costumegallery.com) Received: from [65.97.2.249] (helo=momlaptop) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp8S-1I081e37ge-0002wv; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:35:36 -0400 Message-ID: <003b01c7b159$b8fbbda0$6901a8c0@momlaptop> From: "Penny Ladnier" To: "Historical Costume" References: <200706101800.l5AI05pS010973@net.indra.com> <466C96FC.7050907@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: current DC exhibits Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:35:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19o1TbUG+PXwDkGQC3cuZ8+bWPOgMpcI0tVO23 xY+21dSPJHGF1Sqd6TUxJgnHGqWP8Ta5iOqAER3VwRfsRQZgmZ LWWlDa1W6gr/IcbgmCgHg== X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bc4cf067-f5de-4b32-aca5-2c654ead4df9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4675FE85.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Liz, Are these below at the Air & Space Museum as you stated? We are going to DC this week and I wanted to make sure to go to the correct location. > There's actually one more - the "Treasures of American History" exhibit at > the Air and Space Museum has Jackie Kennedy's inaugural gown, Sandra Day > O'Connor's judicial robes, a dress of Mary Todd Lincoln's (I can't > remember off the top of my head if that was an inaugural gown, or > another), a dress belonging to Margaret Mead (specially made to > accomodate her changing dress size every time that she went out on her > expeditions), a pair of Marilyn Monroe's gloves (and a pair of Mohammad > Ali's boxing gloves), Andrew Jackson's uniform, an outfit of Ray Charles' > (gold sequins on black - I suspect they figured the brighter jackets that > were on display a year or two ago wouldn't look right in with the other > items on display in that area), George Washington's uniform (dress > uniform, dating from *after* the American Revolution), a (buffalo?) skin > coat belonging to Gen. Custer, a *bunch* of hats dating from the mid 1800s > to present-day... a poofy shirt from "Seinfeld", Mr. Roger's sweater (one > of... reminds me I need to drop the curator a note about that...).. > > and currently a wedding kimono that belonged to a Japanese immigrant to > Hawaii. > > Hmm... oh, I forgot, the scarecrow costume from the "Wizard of Oz", > Dorothy's red shoes, a *gorgeous* Oscar de la Renta (sp?) gown (can't > imagine painting and attaching all those gold covered feathers!)... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 04:26:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5I8QXbj009910 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:26:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5I8QTvr025502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:26:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5I8ONaX099339 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:24:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5I8OJD7013303; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:24:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5I8OHij013284 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:24:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 686323AC78 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:24:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:24:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] lovely find X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9258c6aa-871d-4ccd-a85a-7d8bd4844203 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467641B5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Diana Habra" > > Finally published! ... but the booksellers are still waiting. > > > > Natural Dyes - sources, tradition, technology, science by Dominique > > Cardon ISBN: 190498200x > > > > http://www.archetype.co.uk/ click on 'recently published' > > Looks like a cool book but $170??!! Yikes! > > Diana > > -- > www.RenaissanceFabrics.net > "Everything for the Costumer" > > "Become the change you want to see in the world." > --Ghandi > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 10:02:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IE2TEd011920 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:02:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5IE2PK3030014 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:02:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5IE0s7V048362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IE0qHC029686; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:00:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts25.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.188]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IE0hfJ029529 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:00:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from shaneandsheridan@sympatico.ca) Received: from smtp1.sympatico.ca ([209.226.175.20]) by tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with SMTP id <20070618140043.ZSVR25739.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:00:43 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.6.6 (webedge20-101-174-112-20020617)" From: Sheridan To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lovely find Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:00:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20070618140043.ZSVR25739.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8663bf5e-eaad-4654-a5c5-313a8140d0e8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46769071.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sheridan P > > From: "otsisto" > 1879 "home robe" > http://www.antiquedress.com/item4260.htm > > De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 10:55:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IEthKT015252 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:55:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5IEtdrW023434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:55:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5IEskYv057420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:54:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IEsgHK079736; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pelian.kabelfoon.nl (pelian2.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.41]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IEsadt079484 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:54:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1494.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.216]) by pelian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F93319214 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:54:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:54:42 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Your dream costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: afe9bb3e-ee7e-4b83-9eda-009fcd11dc07 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46769CEB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 11:04:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IF4R57015656 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:04:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5IF4NFV003088 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:04:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5IF3DYp059079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IF3BTL088617; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from relay2.netspeed.com.au (relay2.netspeed.com.au [202.78.47.27]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5HNUo6E010789 for ; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:30:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from garden@netspeed.com.au) Received: from netspeed.com.au (unverified [202.78.47.28]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8i3) with ESMTP id 19097638-1928045 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:29:52 +1000 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unverified [61.69.0.165]) by NSmailstor (SurgeMail 3.8g) with ESMTP id 79281158-1928045 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:18:06 +1000 In-Reply-To: <20070616192834.VFYG23532.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> References: <200706161800.l5GI0FdQ013419@net.indra.com> <20070616192834.VFYG23532.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C172A83-F43B-4A96-B957-E44C96D4A75A@netspeed.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: garden@netspeed.com.au Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:30:47 +1000 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-X-Authenticated-User: garden@netspeed.com.au X-X-SpamDetect: : 0.000000 X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_auth) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 ip=61.69.0.165 X-Originating-IP: 61.69.0.165 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Doublets - front lacing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 8f8bffd1-b2d6-4cd3-9f91-7b859f2316d6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46769EF7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 13:48:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IHmcLS000581 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:48:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5IHmXx5025810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:48:38 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5IHg3U0089869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:42:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IHftm2054983; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:41:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com [64.233.207.9]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IHfpJ7054811 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:41:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from mplumb@wideopenwest.com) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (d14-69-62-55.try.wideopenwest.com [69.14.55.62]) by pop-4.dnv.wideopenwest.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l5IHfjwr021644 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:41:45 -0500 Message-ID: <4676C3E4.2080400@wideopenwest.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:41:56 -0400 From: Michelle Plumb User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070606) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3c069b72-36f1-4de8-9b6b-7b0797173c32 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4676C572.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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And of course brocade slippers to wear with it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Deredere Galbraith > I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an > interesting question. > What would be your dream costume? > If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 15:09:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IJ9v7p004848 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:09:57 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5IJ9sHA012544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:09:58 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5IJ79Vo006548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:07:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IJ7353041774; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:07:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5IJ6vrg041612 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:06:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37710 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2007 17:40:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qhMcPTtIaeyCFtUybWWWeFpMDtaFPDA/J22nU3Mwc9RP1022WytfR1DgwkLAPQZY3bLE+AW63pDXMhxT8A+9FNG3XHVdgWnlhXEMFnwkYoeD367vcNjcQrdNGJcaG0VN5MQcikKfTdO7ezVg5vyQC2ogAPL9m19fkA3W+145ytg=; X-YMail-OSG: NLMbfPoVM1n_eFVamuAHFeEk6EP9Lg8ANGXVYM8ypxsswEOO28Ew0FoJIPj1S6NVPy8.ZNVrYw-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:40:32 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan Doublets - front lacing To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <2C172A83-F43B-4A96-B957-E44C96D4A75A@netspeed.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <916700.30865.qm@web32701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0bc80707-1769-4b15-9939-dd46ba064904 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4676D882.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO As a rule they should button, not lace. There's one in Janet Arnold that has both, but it's an arming doublet, sort of a fencing jacket, and not typical of an everyday garment. MaggiRos --- garden@netspeed.com.au wrote: > Is there any evidence of front lacing of men's > doublets or jerkins? I > see examples on the internet and am curious. > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 15:38:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IJcikP005487 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:38:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5IJcfu5022458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:38:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5IJXbiW010463 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IJXUgq066957; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:33:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IJXPUI066863 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:33:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laureninzer@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id l24so2402993waf for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Q9z+iBxiGe+gwFFioeLlySWLDEJ7EVNi67p1nWfEnbXwerHvjrxlGzh/Ob1HzKj1ELTScHJGBQJWuvyE71/rAX3IV6tdVHMy6P30tTXOSS9TLvOzcf7Y4FD5Byqpr5OoVexKRv6eP2W8SdGDtVFnnvihWZOsGo4fxlYwQwMo4vs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=fbPc8keCfPCNK5udjKhdHpnblHHxZ0cvtzMIfYOVlqwVVpyxpD44O+giBRnviRqBLZPwUOY3o7SFO7s9Daerdsuiko0/HAb4+4T7G+m/4aW454PmB92CMjaq55XO/fwwBXBHB3R8bDbDGnZN8QES52y2pxzs5WbQ6gYZc+LbhAI= Received: by 10.114.146.1 with SMTP id t1mr6550341wad.1182195201367; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.93.10 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:33:21 -0500 From: "lauren inzer" To: h-costume@mail.indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: [h-cost] late 11th early 12th century X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 92d60da0-8255-4ae9-aaa0-4e57de961820 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4676DF41.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I love the red dress from Bram Stoker=B4s Dracula.=20 And I am fascinated by those medieval "grand=20 assiette" sleeves. My dream is to be able to=20 flat-draft the pattern for every measurement=20 someday. But that=B4s just the skill and not the costume of my dreams... Hanna At 16:54 18.06.2007, you wrote: >I was thinking of what my next costume would be=20 >and I came to an interesting question. >What would be your dream costume? >If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 16:47:09 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IKl8hB011470 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:47:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5IKl3Fm008822 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:47:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5IKe9H6024038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:40:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IKe7hq032141; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:40:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IKe2HQ032047 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:40:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.146.34.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.146.34]) by pop05.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1I0O13-0003WM-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:40:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <200706182021.l5IKLROt014014@net.indra.com> References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> <200706182021.l5IKLROt014014@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <89DDCAB9-C101-47DF-AA35-D31CE298D570@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:41:22 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bb0f5a6-7c9b-4a7c-9d19-fa6b193c1029 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4676EF47.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The Holbein Anne of Cleves, down to the smallest detail. And THEN anything by Bjarne. And then somewhere to wear them. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 18, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Hanna Zickermann wrote: > I love the red dress from Bram Stoker=B4s Dracula. And I am =20 > fascinated by those medieval "grand assiette" sleeves. My dream is =20 > to be able to flat-draft the pattern for every measurement someday. =20= > But that=B4s just the skill and not the costume of my dreams... > > Hanna > > At 16:54 18.06.2007, you wrote: >> I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an =20 >> interesting question. >> What would be your dream costume? >> If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 16:53:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IKrGDX011633 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:53:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5IKrCWV017935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:53:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5IKlNSV026715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:47:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IKlI9m038800; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:47:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IKlDCK038655 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:47:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.0 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.171.178 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=dm8RDCfSh8CKJutxd9IA:9 a=gVOR-LkiKpxf6i2VCrcA:7 a=YniUn3pjIzcUUYj0QTFZxPmS3z4A:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmZmAF6MdkZQL6uyUGdsb2JhbACBSoVWh2wBAT8B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,436,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="2749745" Received: from 80-47-171-178.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.47.171.178]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 18 Jun 2007 21:46:12 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070618214449.02732da0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:47:02 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume In-Reply-To: <89DDCAB9-C101-47DF-AA35-D31CE298D570@mindspring.com> References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> <200706182021.l5IKLROt014014@net.indra.com> <89DDCAB9-C101-47DF-AA35-D31CE298D570@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b2007d1f-fad7-41bc-acc1-1aa83b99c6a9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4676F0B8.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 21:41 18/06/2007, you wrote: >The Holbein Anne of Cleves, down to the smallest detail. >And THEN anything by Bjarne. >And then somewhere to wear them. >--Ruth Anne Baumgartner >scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > >On Jun 18, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Hanna Zickermann wrote: > >>I love the red dress from Bram Stoker=B4s Dracula. And I am >>fascinated by those medieval "grand assiette" sleeves. My dream is >>to be able to flat-draft the pattern for every measurement someday. >>But that=B4s just the skill and not the costume of my dreams... >> >>Hanna >> >>At 16:54 18.06.2007, you wrote: >>>I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an >>>interesting question. >>>What would be your dream costume? >>>If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. The crimson velvet dress/dressing gown from "Gone=20 with the Wind", the figure to wear it, and Clark=20 Gable or my dream man, to carry me up those stairs. Suzi=20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 17:25:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILPXiH012364 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:25:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5ILPUn6029486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:25:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5ILLROi034071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:21:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILLOr7070005; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:21:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILLJ8S069935 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:21:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1I0Oez-000MsY-2g for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:21:18 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:20:35 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] lovely find References: <20070618140043.ZSVR25739.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: <20070618140043.ZSVR25739.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.06-U () X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8df71d93-5d64-428c-aa2b-b5c27cde201c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4676F84A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Just what I thought! How wonderful to have the photo as well - but looking at the photo I would never have guessed the dress was bright red. I seem to remember that when we only had black and white TV I was more used to recognising colours from their shading - watching snooker was not as pointless as it sounds. I wonder if people were better at understanding the colours in Victorian photos when colour printing was less common? Jean Sheridan wrote >Now that is an excellent reminder that "old-e time-y" clothing was most >definitely not drab and dark. > >Beautiful! > >Sheridan P > >> >> From: "otsisto" > >> 1879 "home robe" >> http://www.antiquedress.com/item4260.htm >> >> De > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 17:27:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILRAMh012385 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:27:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5ILR6ml013266 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:27:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5ILNtes034422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:23:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILNoAj072224; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILNlAJ072115 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c79.159945d0 (57293) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:22:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:22:42 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Doublets - front lacing To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2025d352-2a59-452a-91c6-56993ba0fa37 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4676F8AB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Depends what level of society you're talking. am not aware of any among the upper classes off hand, but there's some for the lower classes. points rather than laces though. In a message dated 18/06/2007 19:01:45 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:30:47 +1000 From: garden@netspeed.com.au Subject: [h-cost] Elizabethan Doublets - front lacing To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <2C172A83-F43B-4A96-B957-E44C96D4A75A@netspeed.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Is there any evidence of front lacing of men's doublets or jerkins? I see examples on the internet and am curious. Many thanks, Aylwen _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 17:31:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILVrO2012479 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5ILVolG029517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5ILVFkN035458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:31:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILVDPr079509; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:31:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILV956079439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:31:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5ILUem2008648 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:30:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4676F99B.9050602@thibault.org> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:07 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] lovely find References: <20070618140043.ZSVR25739.tomts25-srv.bellnexxia.net@smtp1.sympatico.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a82c0e9c-fbdb-470e-8979-967d465afbff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4676F9C6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Jean Waddie wrote: > Just what I thought! How wonderful to have the photo as well - but > looking at the photo I would never have guessed the dress was bright red. > > I seem to remember that when we only had black and white TV I was more > used to recognising colours from their shading - watching snooker was > not as pointless as it sounds. I wonder if people were better at > understanding the colours in Victorian photos when colour printing was > less common? There used to be a page showing the color registrations of different real-world colors depending on the old-fashioned B&W photo process used -- I found it via this list 5+ years ago. However, the page is no longer there and I haven't been able to find it again. There was a sort of color wheel in black and white with the real-world color listed, for each process. Some of the old types registered yellow as a light color, and some registered it as a dark color, and some of the other colors likewise had varying representations. It was very interesting. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 17:41:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILffgc012642 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:41:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5ILfc4L024766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:41:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5ILf28C036778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILf0Je089185; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:41:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net (eastrmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.240.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILeu27089006 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:40:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyanne@quik.com) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20070618214051.GTTM8837.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:40:51 -0400 Received: from ANNESCOMPUTER ([70.160.213.140]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id D9gq1X00632JwDy0000000; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:40:50 -0400 From: "Anne Moeller" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl><200706182021.l5IKLROt014014@net.indra.com><89DDCAB9-C101-47DF-AA35-D31CE298D570@mindspring.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070618214449.02732da0@suziclarke.co.uk> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:40:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001301c7b1f1$52a7c5b0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acex6zsUl7dcsVcjSQOmkGVEedFSNgABb19w In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070618214449.02732da0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 15b2610f-63ba-4ba4-9386-154a75bb7e75 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4676FC12.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >The crimson velvet dress/dressing gown from "Gone >with the Wind", The dressing gown is gorgeous. >the figure to wear it, Don't we all wish for that >Clark Gable Oh, yum! >or my dream man, Better be Keith >to carry me up those stairs. >Suzi Anne _______________________________________________ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/852 - Release Date: 6/17/2007 8:23 AM _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 17:52:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILqdIw013071 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:52:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5ILqagJ004264 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:52:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5ILpWra038197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:51:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILpTaE098512; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ILpPpO098406 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:51:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d21.ca556fd (57293) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:51:00 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:50:59 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] lovely find To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 57dbb7aa-5773-4957-804e-02f21433d6aa X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4676FEA4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 6/18/2007 5:27:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk writes: I wonder if people were better at understanding the colours in Victorian photos when colour printing was less common? Remember that early photographic processes were more sensitive to blue shades, and less to red and yellow--so reds and even yellows will generally photograph as dark. I would love to know if the red is a synthetic or natural dye. Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 18:08:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IM8rWY013320 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:08:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5IM8o3F010191 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:08:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5IM6Zbd040249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:06:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IM6XMc011003; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:06:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail01.unl.edu (webmail01.unl.edu [129.93.1.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5IM6T09010937 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:06:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail01.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l5IM6Rt10210 for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:06:27 -0500 To: Historical Costume Message-ID: <1182204387.467701e32382d@webmail01.unl.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:06:27 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl><200706182021.l5IKLROt014014@net.indra.com><89DDCAB9-C101-47DF-AA35-D31CE298D570@mindspring.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070618214449.02732da0@suziclarke.co.uk> <001301c7b1f1$52a7c5b0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> In-Reply-To: <001301c7b1f1$52a7c5b0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Anglo-Saxon in a nutshell? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9e457c2a-fad8-4c28-abfe-e4ce4a94f16b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46770272.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I will be attending an event with a theme of Saxons vs. Normans, later this summer. My husband and I have elected to side with the Saxons, but as this is rather earlier than my usual periods, I'm not sure where to start. How does Saxon dress differ from Norman dress of roughly the same period? Are there any nifty websites that everybody who does 11th Century costuming knows about? I don't need to be Excruciatingly Correct, but I do want to be identifiably Saxon. Thank you for any pointers you may have, Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 19:57:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5INvMxT015032 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:57:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5INvJOq028828 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:57:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5INspn7054444 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:54:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5INsnTr093459; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:54:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5INskpj093423 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:54:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22801 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:58:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:58:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] late 11th early 12th century In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 05d5c448-bd64-4f72-b6e3-695a11f2803d X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46771BDF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, otsisto wrote: > I think this is a 1100s manuscript > http://www.tempora-nostra.de/tempora-nostra/manesse.php?id=203 > click on the pictures for a closer look. Great manuscript, right locale, wrong period. The illuminations were done (by two artists) in 1300-25 and 1325-40. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 20:28:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J0SqtI015590 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:28:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J0SlOx022327 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:28:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5INS7Bc051134 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5INS4vx075533; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5INS1J9075498 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:28:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EA823F815 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:28:01 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] late 11th early 12th century Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:28:27 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cef232a5-e227-42e5-92b2-5e9c07822613 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4677233F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think this is a 1100s manuscript http://www.tempora-nostra.de/tempora-nostra/manesse.php?id=203 click on the pictures for a closer look. De -----Original Message----- can anyone direct me to good sources for information on late 11th century early 12th century german clothing? i'm working on a project for my roommate, and need a place to start! thanks, arnora _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 21:19:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J1J7nq016526 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:19:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J1J4C8027902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:19:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J1H90S064785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J1H5t0046400; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:17:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com (outbound-mail.dca.untd.com [64.136.47.15]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5J1H1fJ046308 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:17:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from penhalion@juno.com) Received: from webmail13.dca.untd.com (webmail13.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.153]) by smtpout04.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABDHQMVCA49NAX2 for (sender ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:16:18 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: fRRJgEOSsRehnOwCpkfn74CADpRAiFavJiKOhOMEnqz5DiplSHZNpg== Received: (from penhalion@juno.com) by webmail13.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MQKFUGCH; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:15:36 PDT Received: from [71.201.30.154] by webmail13.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:14:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [71.201.30.154] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "penhalion@juno.com" Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:14:47 GMT To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anglo-Saxon in a nutshell? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This is probably the best overall site to give you a taste of the era. http://www.regia.org/ In terms of fashion there are certain conventions that have come to be a= ccepted as differentiating Saxon and Norman, but in period there had bee= n enough cultural exchange in the decades before The Conquest, that Norm= ans and Saxons were probably dressed almost alike. The convention states that Saxon male tunics are shorter and have tighte= r sleeves than Norman tunics and that female Norman tunics are tighter f= itting and have wider sleeves than Saxon tunics. Both these conventions = are open to argument. Karen Seamstrix -- 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote: I will be attending an event with a theme of Saxons vs. Normans, later t= his summer. My husband and I have elected to side with the Saxons, but as t= his is rather earlier than my usual periods, I'm not sure where to start. How = does Saxon dress differ from Norman dress of roughly the same period? Are th= ere any nifty websites that everybody who does 11th Century costuming knows abou= t? I don't need to be Excruciatingly Correct, but I do want to be identifiabl= y Saxon. Thank you for any pointers you may have, Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 21:25:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J1PRU4016667 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:25:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J1PObt030729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:25:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J1NodA065479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:23:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J1Nn7b050290; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:23:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J1NjVj050250 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:23:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail4.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.171]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAAD43A22 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:23:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-56.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-56.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.56]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:23:43 +1000 Message-ID: <1182216223.4677301fc0f39@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:23:43 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) 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I think I am going to move to Louisiana, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 23:00:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J30HuE019415 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:00:18 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J30EZ5002587 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:00:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J1w2kf069140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:58:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J1w04k070843; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:58:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s39.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s39.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.111]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J1vvVT070743 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:57:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from laswa@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.133.120]) by bay0-omc1-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:57:51 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:57:51 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.133.123 by by128fd.bay128.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:57:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [76.229.147.224] X-Originating-Email: [laswa@hotmail.com] X-Sender: laswa@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1182216223.4677301fc0f39@webmail.netspace.net.au> From: "zelda crusher" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Well, okay, but you won't be able to build because all the contractors will have to move out. The true meaning of "showing your Union card". :o) Laurie >From: stilskin@netspace.net.au >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: h-costume@indra.com >Subject: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:23:43 +1000 > >People caught wearing baggy trousers that show underwear in Delcambre, >Louisiana, USA, will soon face up to six months jail. The new law will make >wearing saggy trousers an act of indecent exposure. > >I think I am going to move to Louisiana, > >-C. > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine’s 2007 editors’ choice for best Web mail—award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 23:01:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J31EGZ019447 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:01:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J31BBH009206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:01:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J306Kk075795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:00:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J302Nv008701; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:00:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J2xv2H008591 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:59:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c63.1284d25d (14502) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:59:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7cce3699-7372-4148-a286-c180d17af104 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 467746F7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Pitiful. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 23:11:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J3BYwp019759 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:11:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J3BVDM024379 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:11:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J3AGGr076740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:10:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J3AE11014928; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:10:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J3AA08014862 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:10:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x11 #31339) id <01MHZ72R3J7KBX3R6V@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:58 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x11 #31339) with ESMTP id <01MHZ72QYL6IBWZV3X@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:58 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:51 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: <467748FF.9070000@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 753d63b4-acba-48ac-8c0a-c75bfe4660da X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46774963.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 18 23:49:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J3n0j8020998 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:49:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J3murq005482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:49:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J3lmCt081206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J3lCLJ038166; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:47:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J3l6JQ038112 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:47:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dragonmatchlock@verizon.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.83.100.148]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JJV00B6K6IA4TC9@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:47:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:46:57 -0400 From: "David S. Mallinak" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume In-reply-to: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <467751B1.6060804@verizon.net> Organization: Red Dragon Bridge Enterprises, Ltd. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0d8a5e8f-7836-4024-96f9-599230f4217e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46775228.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Imagine a 18th century tartan coat with slashes, lace, and trim Your humble and obedient servant, David S Mallinak _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 00:07:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J47NIE021592 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:07:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J47JdP028915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:07:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J452sT082706 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:05:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J44wSK048483; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:04:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.130]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5J44ttI048405 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:04:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bella_lucia_da_verona@yahoo.com.au) Received: (qmail 49962 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2007 03:28:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=kQ0inE0/GZBM1sq85JjIV4fmM28cPpt0IRZ5WpZmCkdSUtnR008EcaClE2pfFggm+cK7c5PCwEJSXJPRCtt2OJAA6Ck/6aiZ1qD2dIAhVJb7TkCqObds/UrS0rLKwpr3L5x72MYiMfX/xGY5dJhQldwH1udl0WbiscajKKuxQbk=; X-YMail-OSG: OF.ukSEVM1ms5yrG9EzNcHUxDQr6iZ4AykVyRWxI26zmjiCCRBDlTj0Nyt1oPtSyiR_BSENRnyxw9L.OA3aI4uIZwEYyez0FALMikfeGW1McyCKQZGIdcWoNZIRskctoy718YLZH8cow_Heu Received: from [209.191.106.127] by web31501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:28:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.29 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.16 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:28:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bella Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ---- From: Adele de Maisieres To: Historical Costume Sent: Tuesday, 19 June, 2007 12:39:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > >You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of Puritanical >foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's boxers.[Wonder how race plays >into it?] What next, banning fat people from wearing short sleeves? Burkas for >all women? How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. Like LA towns >don't have more important things to legislate.... Pitiful. > >>>Yup. I'm with you. Hear, hear!! Bella _________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 00:35:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J4ZENx022374 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:35:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J4ZBgx018508 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:35:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J4Y5l5085851 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J4Y4EV065206; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J4XxTQ065170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:34:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from fran@lavoltapress.com) Received: from [209.148.118.206] (209-148-118-206.dial.dynamic.sonic.net [209.148.118.206]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l5J4Xv5M001303 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:33:58 -0700 Message-ID: <46775CBC.4080205@lavoltapress.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:34:04 -0700 From: Lavolta Press Organization: Lavolta Press User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9bb9134f-f092-4255-aa5d-8b9c0adc96d6 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46775CFF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What do they do to you in Lousiana if your slip is showing? Or if you INTENTIONALLY wear a silk camisole as a blouse? We should go back to the good old values: Always wear nice underwear in case you get run over by a bus! Fran > *************** > > You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of Puritanical > foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's boxers.[Wonder how race plays > into it?] What next, banning fat people from wearing short sleeves? Burkas for > all women? How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. Like LA towns > don't have more important things to legislate.... Pitiful. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 00:42:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J4geZC022635 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:42:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J4gagg022839 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:42:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J4fav8086474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:41:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J4fZjX069270; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:41:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J4fVE7069225 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:41:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48B570032E for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:37:53 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> <467751B1.6060804@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <467751B1.6060804@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706190037.53481.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 13a48691-4ec1-4f5d-b4b2-a89edd1a5fee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46775EBD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Monday 18 June 2007, David S. Mallinak wrote: > Deredere Galbraith wrote: > > I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an > > interesting question. What would be your dream costume? > > If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. You mean, I have to be limited to just one? :-) Probably the costume I've been dreaming of for the past 5 years: a complete Birka Viking costume, with a caftan, a diamond twill apron dress, a wool tunic trimmed with wool and silver broacaded tablet weaving, a finely pleated linen shift, leather turn shoes, and sewn (or nalbinded) socks. Appropriate brooches, beads, etc would be a given. -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 01:24:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J5OFmr024196 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:24:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J5OAYO028064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:24:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J5KhRj090320 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:20:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J5Kd69092686; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:20:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5J5KaKt092577 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:20:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDHQ36DANCWEGS for (sender ); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:20:03 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgioSGYyMwkdLJOp8HQ4eVv0= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MQKVTCDV; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:19:39 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:16:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) Message-ID: <20070618.221926.3376.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-2,4-5,8-48 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 17:8:718190534 X-MAIL-INFO: 3e74e575e5f0bdf0bd0d617161d15105902d44198525cd0551bda9453545ed9554ed95c13195c151bda0d9153df069d92574b0f0b12550817525404d61a9d5a93089c1f595a931 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5782344a-6a66-4f87-88c3-73eae72e389e X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4677687A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO One teacher I worked with absolutely forbade them in her classroom, as in "You're in college now, dress like the big boys now!" Do guys who wear their pants like this really think we ladies will be impressed by their Mickey Mouse underwear? We certainly aren't impressed by their physical prowess. Half the time they can't even walk in those things, let alone run...and they look REELY, REELY STOOPUD. Arlys On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:59:49 EDT AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 6/18/2007 9:27:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: > > People caught wearing baggy trousers that show underwear in > Delcambre, > Louisiana, USA, will soon face up to six months jail. The new law > will make > wearing saggy trousers an act of indecent exposure. > > I think I am going to move to Louisiana, > > > > > *************** > > You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of > Puritanical > foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's boxers.[Wonder how > race plays > into it?] What next, banning fat people from wearing short sleeves? > Burkas for > all women? How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. Like > LA towns > don't have more important things to legislate.... Pitiful. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 01:54:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J5snAk025731 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:54:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J5sie5006290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:54:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J5qOjM093183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:52:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J5qMld009077; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:52:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.231]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J5qKpZ009061 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:52:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from felis.lover@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so1329669wri for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:52:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=py1d++CbKLueVxybJNVf/K8bgm7zanJ3PDTjHepimkhzn1GBpBo8JuNF3Eyhx+rnuFHGiIPv1XMdAat8cb9wLFahFiZIDo/BXwOMhuAOJWYtN7f8SxEOhIKK1EVkvgCW0yck07kmQYtTiP2Vv47NPYd3SRBfYhya98lTTDxCdpU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eieUJkWa3l0K/nUibs/LH0bTDQzL0BHP3BZpewStDg/IC65vTSnz0EFvLgutAepapEue0ULdiMxFS9svuCRCx57WfQCxNDbmaa7QFfsMPoq6gBRm/QWj635pmF97JDf5++Y9og1IczA23DDACk1fGz/CC94ypSz7OMqpRlW31ec= Received: by 10.78.172.20 with SMTP id u20mr2651940hue.1182232339698; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.33.11 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <684bbeba0706182252w1e556499y5b6b08cf98b845f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:52:19 -0700 From: "Karolee Smiley" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) In-Reply-To: <20070618.221926.3376.0.Cley@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070618.221926.3376.0.Cley@juno.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdea35c6-4e37-4cbf-8a1a-b070cf34e3c8 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46776FA4.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hey, if that is the only thing they have to worry about, they should be really happy. They have room in their jails for dress-code violations? The main reason people started to dress like that was because you can hide an amazing number of weapons that way, not because its "sexy". Most of the kids who dress that way are not hiding anything. They are dressed that way because its cool to look like a "bad boy". What's new. Think about it... And what did you wear when you were young that horrified your parents? And what did your parents wear that horrified your grandparents? And so on... Its the generation gap. We always think the next generation is indecent. As awful as it looks, fashion should not be illegal. Now, if it based on possible concealment of weapons, that could be a different story. Although, I have always thought people should need a permit to wear spandex. :) Karolee/Kaitlin On 6/18/07, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > > One teacher I worked with absolutely forbade them in her classroom, as in > "You're in college now, dress like the big boys now!" > > Do guys who wear their pants like this really think we ladies will be > impressed by their Mickey Mouse underwear? > > We certainly aren't impressed by their physical prowess. Half the time > they can't even walk in those things, let alone run...and they look > REELY, REELY STOOPUD. > > Arlys > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:59:49 EDT AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > > > > In a message dated 6/18/2007 9:27:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: > > > > People caught wearing baggy trousers that show underwear in > > Delcambre, > > Louisiana, USA, will soon face up to six months jail. The new law > > will make > > wearing saggy trousers an act of indecent exposure. > > > > I think I am going to move to Louisiana, > > > > > > > > > > *************** > > > > You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of > > Puritanical > > foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's boxers.[Wonder how > > race plays > > into it?] What next, banning fat people from wearing short sleeves? > > Burkas for > > all women? How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. Like > > LA towns > > don't have more important things to legislate.... Pitiful. > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 02:55:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J6tYLE006831 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:55:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J6tU0t024982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:55:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J6ox8A099484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J6opfF041862; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:50:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.204]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5J6ojAG041748 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:50:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 91831 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2007 06:50:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@71.142.48.229 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2007 06:50:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: WhqkL.YVM1llgZfR.21mnRqiG1l5fj9bUeZBkPJF3KmVbNDX Message-ID: <46777CC2.9040508@fenris.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:50:42 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0189faaa-5feb-415c-9fc8-f04cedb06e00 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46777DE2.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Striped, I think - if that'd be correct. liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 03:00:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J70Lu0007997 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:00:21 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J70IIq027056 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:00:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J6xNtx000715 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:59:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J6xMmO046795; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:59:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.barra.srg.ch [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J6xIXG046680 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:59:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1182236344-502900170002-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[194.6.181.33] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1182236344 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [194.6.181.33]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 00BEB611C4 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:59:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 466D2BA900347FEE for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:59:11 +0200 Message-ID: <016901c7b23f$6d764620$be00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> <46777CC2.9040508@fenris.net> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:59:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3214a98c-12b0-4ede-8d0f-40b436f64973 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46777F02.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Wah. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 03:03:16 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J73CFY008701 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:03:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J739k9028031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:03:12 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J70U0M000833 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:00:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J70T9N047441; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:00:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J70PjJ047355 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:00:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=P8DmySWomy27qUmkSdPcV7nL2JhktfmAGje9wNlHATT1z3G2viHH1Cvz6QhYMj7H; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.0.241.138] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I0XhM-0000tu-6t for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:00:20 -0400 Message-ID: <410-2200762197022328@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:00:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7903c57bf8365ea9013202b7005b484834350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.0.241.138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c424d08-9983-48a5-8056-ea2f9c4df817 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46777FAD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO so what about panty peek when a woman bends over in low rise jeans? argh.... Silvara > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 6/18/2007 8:03:36 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) > > > In a message dated 6/18/2007 9:27:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: > > People caught wearing baggy trousers that show underwear in Delcambre, > Louisiana, USA, will soon face up to six months jail. The new law will make > wearing saggy trousers an act of indecent exposure. > > I think I am going to move to Louisiana, > > > > > *************** > > You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of Puritanical > foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's boxers.[Wonder how race plays > into it?] What next, banning fat people from wearing short sleeves? Burkas for > all women? How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. Like LA towns > don't have more important things to legislate.... Pitiful. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 03:44:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J7ikYg019163 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:44:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5J7igJl024804 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:44:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5J7iENN006955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:44:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J7iCj0072668; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:44:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J7i81Q072630 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:44:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A76116A03D0; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:36:01 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c7b245$a01d22a0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8f7ec9cd-478b-4fd0-8a65-05bbad6f5b41 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4677896A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I hear that in New York the cops LIKE the baggy pants style. Seems the crooks don't pull up the pants as they are trying to flee the scene of a crime and so are easily caught. And they say women are slaves to = fashion! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of AlbertCat@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:00 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) =20 In a message dated 6/18/2007 9:27:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: People caught wearing baggy trousers that show underwear in Delcambre,=20 Louisiana, USA, will soon face up to six months jail. The new law will = make wearing saggy trousers an act of indecent exposure. I think I am going to move to Louisiana, *************** =20 You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of = Puritanical=20 foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's boxers.[Wonder how race plays=20 into it?] What next, banning fat people from wearing short sleeves? = Burkas for=20 all women? How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. Like LA = towns=20 don't have more important things to legislate.... Pitiful. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 06:41:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JAfPej008623 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:41:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JAfMq3019192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:41:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JAdlwX030672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:39:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JAdd5x075082; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:39:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.57]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JAdaSs075010 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:39:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5JAd3YT007841 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:38:59 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c7b25e$0bedc3f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcexubnxDc0wMXb2SQyL6zjY8V9SqQAoiOAg X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f3bf8c5a-84fe-499d-a866-3774368a55e4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4677B2D2.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Without the limitation of time or money, it would be either Queen Elizabeth's dress in the Pelican Portrait or the Phoenix dress with all the proper detail. Just can't imagine... -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith Sent: June 18, 2007 10:55 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Your dream costume I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an interesting question. What would be your dream costume? If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 09:44:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JDiVDs002492 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:44:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JDiSO9026286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:44:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JDdM4G059145 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:39:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JDdHjh002100; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:39:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JDd8mu001887 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:39:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cad.12ce997e (40523) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:38:25 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2d29b5f0-0494-4f71-85be-87b0a05886ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4677DDBD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 6/19/2007 1:23:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cley@juno.com writes: One teacher I worked with absolutely forbade them in her classroom, as in "You're in college now, dress like the big boys now!" Do guys who wear their pants like this really think we ladies will be impressed by their Mickey Mouse underwear? We certainly aren't impressed by their physical prowess. Half the time they can't even walk in those things, let alone run...and they look REELY, REELY STOOPUD. *************** Very true. All you say is true. It does look stupid on anyone over 16. And banning them in a classroom or at the local Country Club is actually OK with me. But for the town to make it a CRIME!... with a fine and all. Not funny. This is about fashion, y'know....just not historical fashion [yet]. But we should discuss something ...well, less scary! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 10:23:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JENUcD009940 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:23:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JENRsN027541 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:23:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JEL3p6065095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:21:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JEL0qY035893; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:21:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JEKvSb035796 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter80.comcast.net ([204.127.197.180]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070619142052m1100rf4vje>; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:20:52 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter80.comcast.net; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:20:51 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:20:51 +0000 Message-Id: <061920071420.14902.4677E643000D519B00003A3622007601800809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f929c816-4c87-4ab5-ab4f-15ea8ad3b1c6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4677E6DF.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO No restrictions at all? I would love to make at least One gown with all underpinnings and accessories for every period, every country/culture beginning around the 10th century... That's a big dream... Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: lauren.walker@comcast.net > La Mode Bagatelle's Artistic Reform Tea Gown, View A, in mossy-green velvet (for > the overdress) and ivory silk for the underdress. I did spring for the pattern; > I just quail before it in terms of my limited skill, especially in light of the > materials I would like to use. > > And of course brocade slippers to wear with it. > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Deredere Galbraith > > > I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an > > interesting question. > > What would be your dream costume? > > If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 10:28:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JESO02011359 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:28:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JESJ4O005733 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:28:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JEPeIg065846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:25:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JEPcxx039608; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:25:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5JEPZ2N039493 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:25:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDHR335AGGGR82 for (sender ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:24:59 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgtjjVUR3/cdInYMHVPj5rhc= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MQLUX6XX; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:24:03 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:16:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) 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Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 10:37:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JEbHkM012649 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:37:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JEbEIg015150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:37:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JEWvXp066933 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:32:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JEWt1P045529; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:32:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JEWoCP045390 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:32:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1494.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.216]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B21C341D63 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4677E91C.5040209@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:33:00 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Your dream costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0736ad4a-29be-4409-ba7b-f2e81fa9a6d5 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4677EA1A.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry if you get this message more than once. It's been several hours since I send a message but it doesn't appear on the list. Mmmm I think I found several dresses. I love this pink one http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/J1.jpg But it will cost many meters of fabric. I also love this style of dress. Especially the bodice. I would like it a bit more modern I think. In black with lots of embroidery, lace and some sparkling diamonds.... http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/J2.jpg Mmmm Yum. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/J3.jpg I want a male 18th century white silk with gold embroidery complete set. And then wear it to modern party's. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:20:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGKRes025437 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:20:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGKOI6022558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:20:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGHtmx084202 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:17:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGHn3w045744; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:17:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGHj50045596 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:17:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64540D46A8 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:17:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <467801D0.60508@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:18:24 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) 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I'm sure there's a number of similar laws across the country. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:23:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGNq4e026288 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:23:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGNnVD029671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:23:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGNLSs085026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:23:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGNG7r051496; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:23:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.251]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5IKtYlv046356 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:55:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 18880 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jun 2007 20:14:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ZZquL1G9TqbsACPDeCOoxJA7qQbo47UhioMJy3K8vg8KBPKtXkN/CkhxhenNjSeAA754IRzmLQKoYDQvmcnYxqWiNHew2NP24m0m63d0lv1FhBaxTo72q8Io7HXmI9HCLgltxT//DfqfI5BMDiLKo8RcvlNpWqkpTLhYmCMlrcc=; X-YMail-OSG: 2z2DDCUVM1kfBRekJIQ_q8hAsHuDpc8FHJKsP95hJuxr4gke.SQWvxX6B8Sv5QmZ2g-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:14:09 PDT Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4676C3E4.2080400@wideopenwest.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <443128.18004.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 509867c8-6b27-4790-a656-fb4f4c18e9c9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46780315.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ooooh, I was going to say that! Of course I have absolutely no place to wear it, but I can dream... MaggiRos --- Michelle Plumb wrote: > A Robe a la Francaise sewn and embroidered by > Bjarne, complete with > corset, pannier, stomacher, hat, cap and purse. > > Sigh, just a dream..... > Michelle in Michigan _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:27:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGRFTR027161 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:27:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGRCBL025188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:27:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGQdbF085568 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:26:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGQaJ6055005; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:26:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pony.uvm.edu (pony.uvm.edu [132.198.101.202]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J0D1FV005243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:13:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from hope.greenberg@uvm.edu) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (c-75-68-166-211.hsd1.vt.comcast.net [75.68.166.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by pony.uvm.edu (8.13.7/8.13.5) with ESMTP id l5J0Ctj7009509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:13:00 -0400 Message-ID: <46771F8B.3080606@uvm.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:12:59 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anglo-Saxon in a nutshell? References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl><200706182021.l5IKLROt014014@net.indra.com><89DDCAB9-C101-47DF-AA35-D31CE298D570@mindspring.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070618214449.02732da0@suziclarke.co.uk> <001301c7b1f1$52a7c5b0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> <1182204387.467701e32382d@webmail01.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <1182204387.467701e32382d@webmail01.unl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 43a4b883-51d0-4d63-b125-19460ef7b777 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 467803E0.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO These images are a bit of a mix. (Check the sources at the bottom to help identify which are considered Saxon and which Norman.) But it may serve as a general overview or starting point. http://www.uvm.edu/%7Ehag/rhuddlan/images/ And of course, in terms of books, Gale Owen-Crocker's is a great resource: http://www.amazon.com/Dress-Anglo-Saxon-England-Revised-Enlarged/dp/1843830817 (and available through interlibrary loan) - Hope ----------------- hope.greenberg@uvm.edu, U of Vermont _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:27:58 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGRs3j027340 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:27:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGRplC004579 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:27:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGP9P6085314 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:25:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGP8pQ053396; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:25:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf3.socket.net (mf3e.socket.net [216.106.88.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5INKdbR070473 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:20:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf3.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AC8523F7C0 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:20:38 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Anglo-Saxon in a nutshell? Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:21:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1182204387.467701e32382d@webmail01.unl.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cfa72688-c672-44f9-83a7-64d9591d991d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46780407.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO for starters A bit early about 10th c. http://www.regia.org/ http://www.regia.org/listings.htm 11th c. http://www.gelfling.dds.nl/anglo-saxon.html http://www.moondragon.org/costumes/11cdress.html http://members.lycos.co.uk/Wulfingas/11thdress.htm book http://www.amazon.com/Dress-Anglo-Saxon-England-Revised-Enlarged/dp/18438308 17 -----Original Message----- I will be attending an event with a theme of Saxons vs. Normans, later this summer. My husband and I have elected to side with the Saxons, but as this is rather earlier than my usual periods, I'm not sure where to start. How does Saxon dress differ from Norman dress of roughly the same period? Are there any nifty websites that everybody who does 11th Century costuming knows about? I don't need to be Excruciatingly Correct, but I do want to be identifiably Saxon. Thank you for any pointers you may have, Emma _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:28:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGSV4t027508 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:28:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGSS6a001532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:28:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGQ8MC085480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:26:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGQ4UA054436; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.192.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J05TnY000528 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:05:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200706190005.l5J05TnY000528@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070619000523m14006hjmde>; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:05:23 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:04:52 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume In-Reply-To: <001301c7b1f1$52a7c5b0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> <200706182021.l5IKLROt014014@net.indra.com> <89DDCAB9-C101-47DF-AA35-D31CE298D570@mindspring.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070618214449.02732da0@suziclarke.co.uk> <001301c7b1f1$52a7c5b0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6062166f-48a3-4de1-a63c-d50b26e42ce3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4678042C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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But my dream costume would be either Elizabeth I's Pelican gown, or Jane Seymour's Holbein gown Dianne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:30:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGUKcA028124 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:30:23 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGUHRl005404 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:30:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGTCeL086041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:29:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGTAiM057786; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:29:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J3Rqru026192 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=SBtVrsmU6uHfe+FxpojvDRedSQTSpQxml47XE2x9VOXcmWrwlJrNS9PPgcOWyK0W; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.225] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I0UNe-00086k-KB for h-costume@indra.com; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:27:46 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070618222456.040b6eb0@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:27:30 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200706181800.l5II0I9i075466@net.indra.com> References: <200706181800.l5II0I9i075466@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e53eee15ddb228a014a2144f0f43c2999200a27e679c4b1277e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.225 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Dream costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 145c8cf1-4ed3-46d0-89c2-a212b5e142cc X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46780499.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In no particular order: The Infanta Isabella (Photo in 20,000 Years of Costume) The pannier gown on the cover of Hollywood and History The Bob Mackie Elizabeth I that Whoopi Goldberg wore at the Oscars several years ago. Can you guess I like glitz? Sandy At 01:00 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:54:42 +0200 >From: Deredere Galbraith >Subject: [h-cost] Your dream costume > >What would be your dream costume? >If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. "Those Who Fail To Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly -- Why They Are Simply Doomed. Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:37:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGb0CL028833 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGavUB009794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGaM4t087877 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:36:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGaIo3066531; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:36:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out5.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JDJUop086346 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:19:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail3.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.166]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838DF1711A5 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:19:28 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-172.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-172.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.172]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:19:28 +1000 Message-ID: <1182259168.4677d7e032993@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:19:28 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume References: <20070618.221926.3376.0.Cley@juno.com> <684bbeba0706182252w1e556499y5b6b08cf98b845f6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <684bbeba0706182252w1e556499y5b6b08cf98b845f6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2762359a-a73a-4be7-b559-1b83d71468b3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46780629.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Karolee Smiley wrote... > Think about it... > And what did you wear when you were young that horrified your parents? > And what did your parents wear that horrified your grandparents? > And so on... I recall my grandmother speaking to my older brother in the 1960s as he was dressed to go out for the night in his velvet jacket and fashion jeans, "I really love your jacket but why do you have those old dungarees on...?" I, of course, never wore anything unusual in the 1970s: High-waisted cuffed baggies (trousers tight at the top then flairing to an Oxford bag) with three buttons at the waist and, probably, testicular separation; A body shirt; A tight, red, blue and green V-neck ribbed pullover that had a wide band at the bottom; 8" platform shoes, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:37:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGbdI4028908 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGbag0024885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGX8lD086941 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:33:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGX6JC062515; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:33:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.161]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JARHRK067786 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:27:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.114]) by bay0-omc2-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:27:12 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 03:27:12 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.140.123 by by135fd.bay135.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:27:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.166.214.5] X-Originating-Email: [estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com] X-Sender: estela_dufrayse@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <467751B1.6060804@verizon.net> From: "Kelly Grant" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:27:08 -0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2007 10:27:12.0206 (UTC) FILETIME=[660AAEE0:01C7B25C] Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 1a81bed0-a8fb-49d3-999b-841574d52173 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46780650.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My dream costume is being worked on right now. An embroidered jacket, slashed silk petticoats and a coat from the early 17th century. We have been plotting for about six months now...the embroidery has begun and now I am in search for the perfect silk. Yes, I am spoiled! Kelly An insolent reply from a polite person is a bad sign. Hippocrates (c.460-c.370 bc), Greek physician >Deredere Galbraith wrote: >>I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an >>interesting question. What would be your dream costume? >>If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. _________________________________________________________________ See Fireworks On Live Image Search http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=Fireworks&mkt=en-ca&FORM=SERNEP _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:38:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGceQI029062 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGcbek028754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGY5Hp087114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:34:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGXxdD063534; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:33:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JBcIZe013726 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 05:38:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1494.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.216]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9820C341EFD for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:38:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4677C031.5050204@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:38:25 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> <000c01c7b25e$0bedc3f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> In-Reply-To: <000c01c7b25e$0bedc3f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 1ed3d30d-2a9f-42ed-847d-7f3043bc14a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4678068D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Mmmm I think I found several dresses. I love this pink one http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/J1.jpg But it will cost many meters of fabric. I also love this style of dress. Especially the bodice. I would like it a bit more modern I think. In black with lots of embroidery, lace and some sparkling diamonds.... http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/J2.jpg Mmmm Yum. http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~triade2/tijdelijk/J3.jpg _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:40:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGeUje029297 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:40:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGeR4D004072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:40:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGb2kx088038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGb0ob067387; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:37:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JDn9Mi010142 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:49:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1494.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.216]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31366341FD5 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:49:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4677DEDC.7030400@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:49:16 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> <000c01c7b25e$0bedc3f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> In-Reply-To: <000c01c7b25e$0bedc3f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a1b1891c-23dd-481e-bccd-9259994890b6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 467806FB.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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And than wear it to modern party's. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:42:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGgKC0029557 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:42:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGgHSH014613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:42:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGcDru088282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:38:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGcAA3068643; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:38:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGc4Jn068513 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:38:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5JGbTQV025137 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4678066A.60100@thibault.org> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:02 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) 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I'm sure you are right -- and it's probably unConstitutional, even without selective enforcement. cv _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 12:45:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGj4wm029925 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:45:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JGj1EL017233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:45:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGeIQW088789 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:40:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGeHjx071088; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web82511.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82511.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5JGbhu2068013 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:37:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sunny_buchler@sbcglobal.net) Received: (qmail 25619 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2007 16:37:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=L3i7v2wz+6PL7T1GLwi+SfIgIf+uFXbufkXzso0CpmLYLCpsvKiEdECivcnexVjrLhbyZ79RfKopjnxzKfGgnVgN13LiPl/E4sJFr7ULlsu3Zot5NvzcFhvigxzQMskYQz0o/+lJwn3kR3EqNx2UuFTOcGWj9cWfyqOQS1ZzxN4=; X-YMail-OSG: CkHtG_kVM1lFT6MOk3Y_IYSWFpTRF5pCoz6.IbCu9hJe1NZyV3XQZvePGPdUcLT220hc8D_s4Q-- Received: from [192.25.240.225] by web82511.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:37:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/478 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.14 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:37:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Sunshine Buchler To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <836963.24851.qm@web82511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Mushroom Pleating X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 22fd8634-e019-487e-bd06-c2921c96ea38 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4678080D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Does anyone know what mushroom pleating is, and how to do it? I'm trying to make a ~1810 chemisette, view A from page 50 & 51 of Janet Arnold's _Patterns of Fashion 1_, and she just says "A white cambric chemisette with three mushroom pleated frills forming the collar. These frills are made of strips of cambric cut on the straight grain I 1/2" deep at the center front widening to 2 1/4" at the center back and 90" long. They are mushroom pleated onto 1/16" wide tapes and then stitched to the neck band which is a crossway piece 15 3/4" long." Doing a websearch only turns up commercial pleating stuff, and I want to know how to do it by hand... Thanks in advance! -sunny _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 13:27:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JHQw0C002908 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:26:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JHQt9e014838 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:26:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JHNaAT096502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:23:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JHNSCk017932; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:23:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch3.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.23]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JHNOdT017735 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:23:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:23:16 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1182259168.4677d7e032993@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore Thread-Index: AceykBQNLdBGVtegSoeM5w60kb8tagABejaQ References: <20070618.221926.3376.0.Cley@juno.com><684bbeba0706182252w1e556499y5b6b08cf98b845f6@mail.gmail.com> <1182259168.4677d7e032993@webmail.netspace.net.au> From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4a24202a-6970-4148-bc17-f69cd1658241 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 467811DF.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> Think about it... >> And what did you wear when you were young that horrified=20 >your parents? Hot pink velour hip-hugger bell-bottoms... That were from the thrift shop and were waaay too short (but I loved them for some obscure reason and so didn't care). And it was 7th grade in 1975, my first year freed from Catholic school uniforms, so I was oblivious to fashion!=20 Astrida ****************** Astrida Schaeffer, Assistant Director The Art Gallery University of New Hampshire Paul Creative Arts Center 30 College Road Durham, NH 03824 (603) 862-0310 astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu Fax: (603) 862-2191 ****************** =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 14:16:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JIG2eq012449 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:16:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JIFx8R012263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:16:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JIFZtH005757 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:15:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JIFWW2071174; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JIFS76071033 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:15:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cf4.df91b0f (39954) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:14:49 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mushroom Pleating To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1b862b4-55d4-4486-af32-25fd416b8ed7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46781D5F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This must mean tiny knife pleats....think the underside of a mushroom cap. At home you might get the effect by taking the finished strip and sewing in tiny full return pleats at the hem and the end to be sewn to the chemisette, then pinning it taught to the ironing board so the pleats run the full width, and then steaming them in and finally actually touching the hot iron to the fabric to get a crisp pleat. Then take the sewing out of the hem. This is not unlike "primitive pleating" where you gather both ends of the fabric, wet it in boiling hot water, roll the gathered piece up and hang it with a weight at the bottom to keep it taught while it dries. But this does not create crisp even pleats.... more like a one way crinkle. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 14:21:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JILJnP013327 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:21:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JILGdk017614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:21:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JIJIY0006253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:19:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JIJHuZ074983; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:19:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JIJDBq074844 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:19:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cee.129a9ea5 (39954) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:18:47 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:18:47 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Mushroom Pleating To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9f7a648f-3a6c-42ef-9d9d-8b76c52e56ac X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46781E9C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm sorry....I meant to add that you might be able to get the tiny even pleats by doing something like a smocking technique...like tiny cartridge pleats... at both ends of the frill. Then letting it collapse flat in one direction... the same at both ends. I'm making this up, y'know. I've never done this. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 14:34:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JIY7Ze014758 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:34:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JIY38E032442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:34:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JIVatJ008595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:31:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JIVWok087558; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:31:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JIVQdn087372 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:31:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d2e.902e8c3 (39954) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:31:05 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a3cab81-6550-4b14-9da8-f71b47791efe X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4678219B.006 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ohhhhh... when I think of all the polyester shirts in Ice cream colors and stripes with long collars and wide cuffs I wore in prep-school....Yikes! ['71-'75] They all had little tiny round burn holes with melted edges in them from pot seeds exploding in all those joints I and my long haired friends were smoking. My Mother used to ask "What IS causing these burn holes???" "Oh, like, I wore it in welding class, man." Did anyone watch "Top Design" on Bravo....the Project Runway-like show for interior designers? No? Well it did suck! Anyway, Jonathan Adler looked like he had been dressed by Peter Max with mint green corduroy blazers, yellow shirts and ties that looked 5" wide. What was wrong with him???? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 15:09:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JJ9G7Q019520 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JJ9EqL003554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGZ3fA087519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGYwMi064866; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JBwMP3026679 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 05:58:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1494.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.216]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043AC341EC4 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:58:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4677C4E4.6030105@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:58:28 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> <000c01c7b25e$0bedc3f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> In-Reply-To: <000c01c7b25e$0bedc3f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 4fe31c5f-3ea2-42f3-a4b4-ebe4e6a66bfe X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 467829DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oops I forgot one! I would love to have a male 18th century white silk with gold embroidery complete set. And than wear it to modern party's. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 15:09:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JJ9G7S019520 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JJ9EqN003554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:09:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGQx0o085633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:26:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGQt8Z055354; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J0VhA9017526 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:31:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from m.p.decker@att.net) Received: from toshibauser (245.birmingham-05rh15-16rt.al.dial-access.att.net[12.74.176.245]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2007061900313711200da9p6e>; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:31:37 +0000 Message-ID: <005d01c7b209$2fd0a080$f5b04a0c@toshibauser> From: "margaret" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:31:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 15f648e0-3d64-4f00-8db2-7b9ab32ca369 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 467829DA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Margaret _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 15:11:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JJBJou020222 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:11:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JJBGfj029268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:11:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGbORD088104 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:37:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGbK10067714; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JDxS6d018016 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:59:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:00:07 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:00:05 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B020A7916@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <1182216223.4677301fc0f39@webmail.netspace.net.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) Thread-Index: AceyEMr1NhcJqdfvSHexEJTEJjxXVAAaRB8g From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2007 14:00:07.0470 (UTC) FILETIME=[24B144E0:01C7B27A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d07a7841-3577-4ff1-8481-998b12e2978b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46782A54.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What about pants that show more (less?) than underwear? Are they going after the (stereotyped) plumbers, too? Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of stilskin@netspace.net.au Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:24 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) People caught wearing baggy trousers that show underwear in Delcambre,=20 Louisiana, USA, will soon face up to six months jail. The new law will make=20 wearing saggy trousers an act of indecent exposure. I think I am going to move to Louisiana, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 15:27:06 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JJR3Rt021526 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:27:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JJR00t004192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:27:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JGVQXb086570 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:31:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JGVN9s060531; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:31:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5J7i9eG072644 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 01:44:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A765FF9003E; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:36:05 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:44:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c7b245$a2959cb0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070618.221926.3376.0.Cley@juno.com> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 7db76878-567d-4f4f-a288-94fa863ef513 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46782E04.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My daughter says thank goodness they ARE wearing underwear. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Cynthia J Ley Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 10:17 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) One teacher I worked with absolutely forbade them in her classroom, as in "You're in college now, dress like the big boys now!" Do guys who wear their pants like this really think we ladies will be impressed by their Mickey Mouse underwear? We certainly aren't impressed by their physical prowess. Half the time they can't even walk in those things, let alone run...and they look REELY, REELY STOOPUD. Arlys On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:59:49 EDT AlbertCat@aol.com writes: > > In a message dated 6/18/2007 9:27:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: > > People caught wearing baggy trousers that show underwear in > Delcambre, > Louisiana, USA, will soon face up to six months jail. The new law > will make > wearing saggy trousers an act of indecent exposure. > > I think I am going to move to Louisiana, > > > > > *************** > > You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of > Puritanical > foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's boxers.[Wonder how > race plays > into it?] What next, banning fat people from wearing short sleeves? > Burkas for > all women? How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. Like > LA towns > don't have more important things to legislate.... Pitiful. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 15:46:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JJklCR022918 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:46:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JJkjPg012427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:46:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JJignw020626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:44:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JJiZ5x058142; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:44:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5JJiVcn057997 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:44:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from recon36@airmail.net) Received: (qmail 67563 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2007 19:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (edwalton@swbell.net@70.251.103.179 with plain) by smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2007 19:44:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Dw6dnRYVM1k8jskwaqbl4o0s.R4gpEe5XSdT5iM8SivJAXxyPiGtZoAbEvlGfS5RQs_UGGLOBueBEnn2xk.sRn3l Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Walton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:44:22 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2ee0b8c7-ea87-40fc-b6f9-ab6493bacb74 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 467832A5.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jun 18, 2007, at 21:59, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of > Puritanical > foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's boxers.[Wonder how > race plays > into it?] What next, banning fat people from wearing short > sleeves? Burkas for > all women? How about a nice brown shirt and some jack boots. Like > LA towns > don't have more important things to legislate.... Pitiful. > > That's a great idea. We make and sell both the brown shirts and the jack boots in stitch by stitch and peg by peg repros. Mostly for museums, hero peices, and reenactors, but we do ship a lot of them to Australia. For your information, the correct educated term is 'marching boots." Jack boots were for 17th century cavalry and are something else entirely. Here're the links: http://www.lostbattalions.com/german33-45/ss/ssshirts/ sswovenbrownshirt.html http://www.lostbattalions.com/german33-45/bootrepros/jackboots.html Ed Walton Lost Battalions Military Reproductions http://www.lostbattalions.com 972-690-1945 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 15:52:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JJqMIs023281 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:52:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JJqJpB014031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:52:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JJmu5a021164 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:48:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JJmq1R062381; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:48:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.212]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5JJmjBr062150 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:48:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from recon36@airmail.net) Received: (qmail 41089 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2007 19:48:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.100?) (edwalton@swbell.net@70.251.103.179 with plain) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2007 19:48:38 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dA1wAtEVM1mrbe.H9_j8LWCOqSjvnV2jNNMj_Bl7.lNW2F0lMeKlJE.3vck2dtK2X6FfLvbfnH2cbF5dOj83Dy6Z1_3F3MqPLwZ_NRdS89CCZTpCTbU- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0C26FBD1-A5C3-41CA-9C17-D02E5820ABAE@airmail.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Walton Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:48:36 -0500 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94f94d48-3ee3-4d83-877f-a0eba16e1697 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 467833F3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jun 19, 2007, at 8:38, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > This is about fashion, y'know....just not historical fashion [yet]. > But we > should discuss something ...well, less scary! > This IS historical fashion from about '52, which was the first time it came around. It was only around about 2 years that time. It's held on way too long this time, but new or original it ain't. Ed Walton Lost Battalions Military Reproductions http://www.lostbattalions.com 972-690-1945 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 16:01:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JK1g4l023919 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:01:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JK1eMq018312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:01:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JK0ak9023750 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:00:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JK0ToT073863; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JK0Bbs073321 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:00:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z74so250830pyg for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:00:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ce7Jv2Q6UsoDhXdVLbJaMl9Tsc+rmU2cCI5bVjxIAMrNnDRcl2KH+AOf5ylAz4kTCJT0HVGPg5cqbz7p9heSwVcE/etXceEcTIFQ4Xj2Odil5n3EwwYQT6Mknu7wlklnR90uvALqT8E14+NlvALyaMD1h18PVEiqggr1OXpFq34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jdYy4ky8CxfqEvU2ZaenKZbh/5tsxPqInSN2GZPLX+SrhXqr8sJ61VdbqGIGDILcViUgUTT5p/986GSv5mxlIKg3ln474axsZvxRq+bFZrawy4d2fshUkRpqFBOMFpa+cbLRU4goIFQ5wMJJhFpf9BxZNcuJSGw+SwFVr8Di0VM= Received: by 10.143.158.16 with SMTP id k16mr527124wfo.1182283206286; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.34.9 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:00:06 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: your dream costume X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe56fbd1-f65e-4ee0-8e5c-1dad1370fecd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46783624.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I'd love to have *anything* he'd make for me. http://www.worldfilms.com/xlpic.cfm?pic=whoopi.jpg&folder=memorabilia --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 16:06:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JK6RMk024288 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:06:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JK6Or3020436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:06:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JK4vOU025039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:04:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JK4qeV078684; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:04:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JK4im2078465 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:04:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sonja@louisiana.edu) Received: from pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (root@pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.229]) by marnier.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-mx-host_1.9a) with ESMTP id l5JK4amI010407 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:04:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from louisiana.edu (skr5996@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pineau.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1/ull-ucs-client_1.7) with ESMTP id l5JK4aRX017840 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:04:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Sonja (LS-LAMP)" To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:04:36 -0500 Message-Id: <20070619193727.M69408@louisiana.edu> In-Reply-To: <200706191639.l5JGdPjY070089@net.indra.com> References: <200706191639.l5JGdPjY070089@net.indra.com> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 2.52 20060831 X-OriginatingIP: 130.70.141.184 (skr5996) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] How clothing style can effect law (RE to OT "Baggy") X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 042235dc-ad14-40bf-8128-94b414766042 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46783740.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO How clothing style can effect law: Well, I live several miles from Delcambre LA and a lot of us think this is just great.  The people the law targeted wore pants several inches below the hip line; some almost to their knees.  The pants would pull downward on whatever was worn underneath.  Believe me; this sometimes went well beyond a little skin showing or thong strap not to mention near-see-through white briefs.  Race?  Funny, I haven't come across anyone who has even thought anything of the kind.  Unless you mean pro-Jewish.  That's the only race we haven't caught with the pants-to-the-knees.  Delcambre is a small town and several town citizens complained about this "style" of dress.  It was requested that this matter be brought up at a counsel meeting.  The people elected by the town citizens felt they should give this a bit of attention; after all, the town citizens were asking it be done.  SO, with just a little bit of time needed to be set aside, the new law was developed.  Yes, more important things were discussed and have been discussed since then...  such as the ever-going rebuilding efforts that have been the main focus of the entire town since the hurricane nearly wiped it out.  However, the town officials still choose to pay attention to all the needs and concerns brought to them by their citizens.  Now you know the rest of the story. ---------- Original Message ----------- > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:00:22 -0700 > From: "Silvara" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <410-2200762197022328@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > so what about panty peek when a woman bends over in low rise jeans? > argh.... > > Silvara > > > [Original Message] > > From: > > To: > > Date: 6/18/2007 8:03:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) > > > >   > > In a message dated 6/18/2007 9:27:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,   > > stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: > > > > People  caught wearing baggy trousers that show underwear in Delcambre, > > Louisiana,  USA, will soon face up to six months jail. The new law will > make > > wearing  saggy trousers an act of indecent exposure. > > > > I think I am going to move  to Louisiana, > > ***************  > > You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of > Puritanical > > foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's  boxers.[Wonder how race > plays > > into it?] What next, banning fat people from  wearing short sleeves? > Burkas for > > all women? How about a nice brown shirt and  some jack boots. Like LA > towns > > don't have more important things to  legislate.... Pitiful. > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 16:29:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKTmi8025880 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:29:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JKTjuf030691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:29:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JKR0c8028689 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:27:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKQugQ002389; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:26:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZIXVPM01.creighton.edu [147.134.0.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKQoA9002296 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:26:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cynthiaabel@creighton.edu) Received: from zixvpm01.creighton.edu (ZixVPM [127.0.0.1]) by Outbound.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id B535B2E82A9 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:18:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Bluejay.creighton.edu (Bluejay.creighton.edu [147.134.2.20]) by zixvpm01.creighton.edu (Proprietary) with ESMTP id DF2682E82C7 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:18:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from exbe01.blue.jays.creighton.edu (exbe01.creighton.edu [147.134.14.11]) by Bluejay.creighton.edu (8.9.3 (PHNE_29774)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06874 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:26:27 -0500 (CDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] How clothing style can effect law (RE to OT "Baggy") Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:26:24 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070619193727.M69408@louisiana.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] How clothing style can effect law (RE to OT "Baggy") Thread-Index: AceyrSLIuVO/z0tzQX2XJwtYnE/c5wAAWSrQ References: <200706191639.l5JGdPjY070089@net.indra.com> <20070619193727.M69408@louisiana.edu> From: "Abel, Cynthia" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3f2641b8-96bd-418a-9f52-b7c8d29b252d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46783CB9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Back in the '60's more than one town or city actually enacted laws on = minimal skirt length when the miniskirt jumped the pond from Carnaby = Street to stateside. For guys, the Beatles' haircut roused similar ire. Many public schools are banning the droopy pants, along with anything = gang and/or blatant advertising as well as culturally questionable--crop = tops, anything alcohol, drug, sex related, even witty double-entendres. = Extreme hair colors, such as neon blue or styles too. Basically anything = considered a disruption to learning or "name brand" or style that might = elicit envy up to forceable removeable from wearer. This new movement = seems even more severe than the school dress codes I experienced = concerning miniskirts, hot pants, slacks for girls, tennis shoes, = etc--as all of the above were eventually permitted. Cindy Abel=20 -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of Sonja (LS-LAMP) Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:05 PM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] How clothing style can effect law (RE to OT "Baggy") How=A0clothing style=A0can=A0effect law: Well, I live several miles from Delcambre LA and a lot of us think this = is just great.=A0 The people the=A0law targeted wore pants=A0several = inches below the hip line; some almost to their knees.=A0 The pants = would pull=A0downward on=A0whatever was worn underneath.=A0 Believe me; = this sometimes went well beyond a little skin showing or thong strap not = to mention near-see-through white briefs.=A0 Race?=A0 Funny, I haven't = come across anyone who has even thought anything of the kind.=A0 Unless = you mean pro-Jewish.=A0 That's the only race=A0we haven't caught with = the pants-to-the-knees.=A0 Delcambre is a small town and=A0several town citizens complained about = this "style" of dress.=A0 It was requested that this matter be brought = up at a counsel meeting.=A0 The people elected by the town citizens felt = they should give=A0this a=A0bit of attention; after all, the town = citizens were asking it be done.=A0 SO,=A0with just a little bit of time = needed to be set aside, the new law=A0was developed.=A0 Yes, more = important things were discussed and have been discussed since then...=A0 = such as the=A0ever-going rebuilding efforts that have been=A0the main = focus of the=A0entire town since the hurricane nearly wiped=A0it out.=A0 = However, the town officials=A0still choose to pay attention to all the = needs and concerns=A0brought to them by their citizens.=A0 Now you know = the rest of the story. ---------- Original Message ----------- > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:00:22 -0700 > From: "Silvara" > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) > To: "Historical Costume" > Message-ID: <410-2200762197022328@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > so what about panty peek when a woman bends over in low rise jeans?=20 > argh....=20 >=20 > Silvara >=20 > > [Original Message] > > From: > > To: > > Date: 6/18/2007 8:03:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) > >=20 > > =A0=20 > > In a message dated 6/18/2007 9:27:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 > > stilskin@netspace.net.au writes: > >=20 > > People =A0caught wearing baggy trousers that show underwear in=20 > > Delcambre, Louisiana, =A0USA, will soon face up to six months jail.=20 > > The new law will > make > > wearing =A0saggy trousers an act of indecent exposure.=20 > >=20 > > I think I am going to move =A0to Louisiana, > > *************** > > You go right ahead and move there, Deary. I find this type of > Puritanical > > foolishness more obscene that seeing someone's =A0boxers.[Wonder how = > > race > plays > > into it?] What next, banning fat people from =A0wearing short = sleeves?=20 > Burkas for > > all women? How about a nice brown shirt and =A0some jack boots. Like = > > LA > towns > > don't have more important things to =A0legislate.... Pitiful.=20 > > =20 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 16:33:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKXGQT026122 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:33:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JKXD5D018743 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:33:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JKV2GV029250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:31:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKV0UT006340; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:31:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5JKUtq3006189 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:30:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDHSRGDAVVPD22 for (sender ); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:29:55 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgvgdASaooirKztML5qSANaE= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MQMHVR5Y; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:29:45 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:23:49 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore Message-ID: <20070619.132848.956.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,9-10 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 3:4:719628133 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 707c4171-6b04-4632-850d-44134cef7702 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46783D89.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > 8" platform shoes, > > -C. Oh my word! How on earth did you walk in them? High heels are such a foreign concept to me. I've been singing my whole life, and singers should never wear a heel over an inch high (throws off your balance, which throws off your breathing). But then, being 5'9", I never had to be concerned about being 'tall' either. ;) Arlys _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 16:54:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKsadJ027755 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:54:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JKsXCe028802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:54:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JKoxuN032917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:50:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKorTK026606; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:50:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKojUx026424 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:50:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from anne@montgomerie.demon.co.uk) Received: from montgomerie.demon.co.uk ([80.177.117.223]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1I0kev-000Bgl-8F for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:50:41 +0000 Message-ID: <4LFN9UCHFEeGJwtL@montgomerie.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:49:11 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Jean Waddie Subject: Re: [h-cost] Anglo-Saxon in a nutshell? References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> <200706182021.l5IKLROt014014@net.indra.com> <89DDCAB9-C101-47DF-AA35-D31CE298D570@mindspring.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070618214449.02732da0@suziclarke.co.uk> <001301c7b1f1$52a7c5b0$0200a8c0@ANNESCOMPUTER> <1182204387.467701e32382d@webmail01.unl.edu> In-Reply-To: <1182204387.467701e32382d@webmail01.unl.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.06-U () X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f686e638-e8d4-45fc-b012-5d2519d4b746 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46784289.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In terms of differentiation, use decoration and jewellery. Saxons go for braid, embroidery, and bling. Normans are restrained and plain, just a bit of contrasting facing on cuffs and necklines. Not necessarily accurate, but good shorthand for that kind of event. Jean 00217146@bigred.unl.edu wrote > >I will be attending an event with a theme of Saxons vs. Normans, later this >summer. My husband and I have elected to side with the Saxons, but as this is >rather earlier than my usual periods, I'm not sure where to start. How does >Saxon dress differ from Norman dress of roughly the same period? Are there any >nifty websites that everybody who does 11th Century costuming knows about? I >don't need to be Excruciatingly Correct, but I do want to be >identifiably Saxon. > >Thank you for any pointers you may have, >Emma >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 16:54:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKsmRl027774 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:54:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JKsjCM017744 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:54:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JKkekK032106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:46:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKkYII022090; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:46:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz (cantvc.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.2.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JKkTSF021974 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:46:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ladyadele@paradise.net.nz) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.it.canterbury.ac.nz by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x11 #31339) id <01MI07YH14UOBX54UZ@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:46:20 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Received: from [132.181.4.133] (rcmt-cad45.it.canterbury.ac.nz [132.181.4.133]) by it.canterbury.ac.nz (PMDF V6.3-x11 #31339) with ESMTP id <01MI07YF4WJUBXKBVP@it.canterbury.ac.nz> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:46:18 +1200 (NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:46:18 +1200 From: Adele de Maisieres Subject: Re: [h-cost] How clothing style can effect law (RE to OT "Baggy") In-reply-to: <20070619193727.M69408@louisiana.edu> To: Historical Costume Message-id: <4678409A.3060604@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) References: <200706191639.l5JGdPjY070089@net.indra.com> <20070619193727.M69408@louisiana.edu> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 51279d74-f5ef-4075-bb56-0061b7f18fb7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46784295.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sonja (LS-LAMP) wrote: >The pants would pull downward on whatever was worn underneath. Believe me; this sometimes went well beyond a little skin showing or thong strap not to mention near-see-through white briefs > > So? Surely that is covered by existing indecent exposure laws. >Delcambre is a small town and several town citizens complained about this "style" of dress. [...] However, the town officials still choose to pay attention to all the needs and concerns brought to them by their citizens. > The mere fact that "several citizens" don't like something doesn't mean that it can or should be prohibited by law-- I believe the U.S. Constitution agrees with me on this. It's also _silly_. -- Adele de Maisieres ----------------------------- Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus ----------------------------- _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 17:30:35 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JLUYg9030626 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:30:34 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JLUVN8022979 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:30:34 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JLU0d6039607 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:30:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JLTvlx066992; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:29:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JLTq9C066797 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:29:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AnnBWass@aol.com) Received: from AnnBWass@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bb8.154621c8 (29672) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:29:39 -0400 (EDT) From: AnnBWass@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:29:39 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5042 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ca6970fa-8235-4481-b5db-ccea09d0049c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46784AF7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Ann Wass ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 17:37:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JLb24t031284 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:37:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JLawIo021199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:37:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JLYdG2040425 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JLYZR0071910; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:34:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JLXgWC070890 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:33:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UBtMc8/NTzTwGAwDiqbRAmRCF/LXHm3pURpw31RcJYyFnAbaM1KZCoiXZMxKbvGu; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.253.8] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I0keP-0006fi-8g for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:50:09 -0400 Message-ID: <030c01c7b2b3$a4824780$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <20070619.132848.956.0.Cley@juno.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:51:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd485b14e3a5d62987069af069643d36765b548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.253.8 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ebebb87-a01f-466d-a98c-707768acbace X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46784C7B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> 8" platform shoes, >> >> -C. > > Oh my word! How on earth did you walk in them? > > High heels are such a foreign concept to me. I've been singing my whole > life, and singers should never wear a heel over an inch high (throws off > your balance, which throws off your breathing). But then, being 5'9", I > never had to be concerned about being 'tall' either. ;) > > Arlys I spent a great deal of my live in musical theater, singing and dancing in 3"+ heels. You need to learn how to stand, walk and dance, but believe me, you can sing in them, you just need to know how. I also did ballroom and latin dance professionally, with a dance partner who was 6'8". (I'm 5'2"). My dance shoes had 5" heels, because otherwise we looked ridiculous. Even now, after a catastrophic car accident, back injuries and arthritis, I can wear heels, just not for every day, or all day. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 17:45:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JLjMu5032057 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:45:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JLjKvI013026 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:45:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JLfUq0041713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:41:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JLfRTZ079098; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5JLfNnQ078816 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:41:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 24613 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2007 21:41:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LnnuGgkzDr4tct2qptOBdXDjiO4wcuASIbhwhUqFLULMvUwprYJk/ww+tO5ZzKAj5XjQ6TaqOAegelA5sOn1N6XxbAoYpqsVTu/gpQKEtv05scAAidMD9d5G3dun/FRKg5FyMykaDvRLnCuKm9IVuA0WRtSNV5hB4tCokiUVuPI=; X-YMail-OSG: 490bjvkVM1lMPxPBrBBBkYfAzJfgd0C6lE0qsSlqzeY7fgEgrUvYuXAKTmNKN84WzoOVH86UX3wxA_eChKe3uevEby.euy.03p_gmKi1JlFC2KQRvqOVFuwVBFMEfw-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:41:12 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <443128.18004.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <940533.24369.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3a2aa94d-0b01-476a-8ad3-8ed88266949d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46784E70.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My dream costume has been this one, of Elizabeth de Valois, Queen of Spain. http://tlsun.com/society/pics/ElizabethValois.jpg Now, I do plan on making this one someday, with full embroidery and jewels, the whole shebang. I just need to work on my skills some more. My next big project, which will take me a year at least to reseach and embroidery parts (where I hope to continue to lose weight) will be to reproduce this one in some similar manner. http://www.myartprints.com/a/peake-robert/portrait-of-elizabeth-bux.html I can't find the image in the museum online right now, but I did get a postcard from them to work from. 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Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 18:23:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMNhhI002574 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:23:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JMNeh8016089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:23:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JMIRlo047682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMIOee014753; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.247]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5JMIKk8014626 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13280 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2007 22:18:15 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xkd2ne3ss92Z1UVXtr37lKYasPaBgdcG652sfUgEbMx1QJOgkHfjqkImM3KUbtZPn2jbdnSwOUdlDPsAa8T+VAjEg60FsdRFR76KK1HBei0AgEf/UmeiI+19GiPBqhGYgqv3r2FyLT3A9mheVYBah8AxLTuvmamGIERF+HMFJes=; X-YMail-OSG: BgYsoREVM1kyYdFDHvCm9IE1Cb1.XMcO3bsbqgcX0.JaEVv1uzLNJ2zbOlaM3ROYlgS1elmMfit4DU_NjY1dbKNOJw-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:18:14 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <940533.24369.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <231559.12982.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f00862f5-5566-4657-811d-ff2f2cc98a08 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4678576C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of this dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, but the ground fabric. I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly royal gown I can think of. MaggiRos --- Kimiko Small wrote: > My dream costume has been this one, of Elizabeth de > Valois, Queen of Spain. > http://tlsun.com/society/pics/ElizabethValois.jpg > Reading: [lunchtime at work] The Pirate Wars, Peter Earle [bedside] The Dresden Files, (all of them), Jim Butcher [about to finish] Strong Poison, Dorothy L. Sayers [CD in the car] The silver Chair, C.S. Lewis Just finished: The Invention of Hugo Cabret, Brian Selznick ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 18:30:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMU7HI003120 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:30:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JMU4co018780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:30:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JMRwEX049130 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:27:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMRuUH022764; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:27:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com (imo-d04.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.36]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMRq5m022622 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:27:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c8c.f8e18df (41810) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:27:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:27:45 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] Baggy pants (OT but who cares?) To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bfb525b-5271-4c40-901d-1073ea8a577b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467858EC.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO do lads still dress like that? the baggy pants showing the underwear I mean - it's sooooo 90s. :o) it's ridiculous but I can't help feeling that banning them is a bit more ridiculous. and making it an arrestable offence is just stupid. every generation tries to offend the generations that came before. it's natural. when I was a kid it was ripped jeans. the more backside hanging out the better! there's a thing over here at the mo with ppl being arrested for t-shirts with slogans on them (b***ocks to blair being the main offender). and detained under terrorism laws. which does make me think it's a distranction from stuff that's really wrong. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 18:32:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMWOJF003266 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:32:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JMWEEj009298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:32:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JMUaPH049398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:30:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMUZqG024849; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:30:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMUUUD024713 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:30:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c07.16947518 (41810) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:29:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:29:18 EDT Subject: RE: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d41d7f3f-ab5f-4e22-b5cc-30225aab1236 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4678596E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ripped jeans. and really heavy make up. and almost exclusively black. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 18:45:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMjeTv004635 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:45:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JMjbph006489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:45:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JMhVqf051133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:43:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMhTHT035355; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:43:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMhPmt035256 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:43:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l5JMhJc7050677 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:43:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:43:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <42290.65.117.156.5.1182292999.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:43:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chiara Francesca" To: h-costume@indra.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b4256773-ec5f-4ec3-9dee-d7d31525f6ba X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46785C91.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Heh ... someone doctored this image pretty good there with her own face instead of the real one. Here is a better shot and a more accurate representation of the painting. http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/58/50/2365258500094285158cCopNf_th.jpg :) Chiara On Tue, June 19, 2007 5:18 pm, MaggiRos wrote: > Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of this > dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or > brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, but the > ground fabric. > > I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly > royal gown I can think of. > > MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 19:53:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JNrk9V009127 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:53:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5JNrh2U005335 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:53:46 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JNnv3Y060174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:49:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JNnqAU085529; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:49:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5d.socket.net [216.106.26.212]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JNnnOp085496 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:49:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A498E35B47 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:49:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume] Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:49:50 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <231559.12982.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Importance: Normal X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a82770e2-5d67-4032-8d7e-6bcea9856aed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46786C87.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I have plans to make this dress and from what I can tell is that it is embroidery. It is not velvet though a short haired velvet wouldn't be bad for a rendition of the gown. http://www.marileecody.com/isabel.jpg http://ladysarafina.home.att.net/isabeldevalois.JPG bigger picture http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/fmlac10526_08a.jpg close up http://www.songsmyth.com/1560french/valoisforepartcloseup.jpg I presently have some salmon coloured satin reserved for the gown. The sleeves and forepart with be off white. So I am not being exact to the portrait. For the partlet I am most definitely fudging with the jewels. I found square plastic segmented trim that I separated and perma-markered the jewel in the square, maroon. Sadly, I health and schedule has made it impossible to work on it at this time. De -----Original Message----- Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of this dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, but the ground fabric. I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly royal gown I can think of. MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 20:30:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K0U283011300 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:30:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5K0TwiK001780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:30:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5K0SEMi064297 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:28:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K0SCQ8009364; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:28:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.144]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5K0S98h009267 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:28:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 81439 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2007 00:28:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6Cx6kxQ9FkuV2kFr0UInNk5fYwwM4Pih4kBedGc0d02ubWdft0H+fmZ6aFkPQFVn/ZIcRntAueYPTS3nsvz8Jk19lDhnYSVlZt1lHh5eRjKP9g4txg0l0LjzObOq7mliFPCyCRnKU8WKGk7eKT3l9xhdmcXz2V3vFY83Hi7tE8M=; X-YMail-OSG: n2E.KbwVM1ltzS2LcItu93_1D2rp1cGVa4f.1fbwQuVBnKvlTTJ7kBCDqeOk4Wz7ApmPaTfileqCJxEuF42SgQH9Ey_NTedxODX_iG8hZd8cba8H5i59V7DdykAWsA-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:28:04 PDT Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:28:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42290.65.117.156.5.1182292999.squirrel@webmail.io.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <137408.76411.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1dc59c8f-8eda-45cc-b507-4b26bc209920 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46787507.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you. I thought it looked funny, but a google dredge didn't show up any other versions of the full gown. Thankfully I have it in print to scan and detail later. And the image you showed seems to be a thumbnail, not a full image. Kimiko --- Chiara Francesca wrote: > Heh ... someone doctored this image pretty good > there with her own > face instead of the real one. > > Here is a better shot and a more accurate > representation of the > painting. > http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/58/50/2365258500094285158cCopNf_th.jpg > > :) > > Chiara > > > On Tue, June 19, 2007 5:18 pm, MaggiRos wrote: > > Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of > this > > dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or > > brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, but > the > > ground fabric. > > > > I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly > > royal gown I can think of. > > > > MaggiRos > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! 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It's still pitiful. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 21:11:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K1BdTj013607 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:11:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5K1BZGs013406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:11:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5K1ABxP069827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:10:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K1A9RG036065; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:10:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K1A6Tb036015 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:10:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9862870032E for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:06:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <061920071420.14902.4677E643000D519B00003A3622007601800809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <061920071420.14902.4677E643000D519B00003A3622007601800809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706192106.16037.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bee03b01-0686-4748-9398-4d8ab08225b6 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46787EC7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tuesday 19 June 2007, elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net wrote: > No restrictions at all? > > I would love to make at least One gown with all underpinnings and > accessories for every period, every country/culture beginning around the > 10th century... > > That's a big dream... But one I can relate too. In a sense I've been working on it for years.... though there are some periods and places I'd probably ignore. ;-) -- Cathy Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 21:30:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K1TxN5014698 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:29:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5K1Tsu2021156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:30:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5K1PqPh071364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K1PpjJ045229; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:25:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K1PmVW045123 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:25:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from moreplentyn@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WcT3CXns8XuTQK31SIHwUEEDwjMZ3Oby7RaEAlBV6OmbaQLJah9zMHXALxrF0LeN; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [68.167.253.8] (helo=boris) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I0ox4-0006WR-Sn for h-costume@indra.com; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:25:43 -0400 Message-ID: <039b01c7b2da$249508b0$0200a8c0@boris> From: "Carmen Beaudry" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:27:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-ELNK-Trace: 1a4a21053b62758bdb287b3a1c9ea9039ef193a6bfc3dd4887cc836a4bc8e64243120c49810381577c7233ee4b332ceb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.167.253.8 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 45500e39-23bb-4251-ba89-b2f81cda7b8f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46788312.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an >interesting question. > What would be your dream costume? > If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. Well, I tend to make my dream costumes. My good friends and family bought the materials for my Laureling gown: 10 yards of shot silk, silver metal lace, 150 freshwater pearls = one 1635 Cavalier gown. Right now I'd like to have time to finish the mermaid's costume that I'll actually be able to swim in. As far as historic costumes, I'd like a full, from the skin out, embroidered silk robe francaise and all the accoutrements. I'm perfectly capable of making and embroidering it, it's just finding the time with all of my customers' orders. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 21:30:05 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K1U4AX014714 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:30:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5K1U0b6015709 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:30:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5K1Ril3071549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K1RhE4046376; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out1.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K1Rd9K046320 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:27:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail4.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.171]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132764392B for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:27:37 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-123-177.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-123-177.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.123.177]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:27:37 +1000 Message-ID: <1182302857.46788289c5c69@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:27:37 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore References: <20070619.132848.956.0.Cley@juno.com> <030c01c7b2b3$a4824780$0200a8c0@boris> In-Reply-To: <030c01c7b2b3$a4824780$0200a8c0@boris> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7c8c77d2-7a39-4b7e-893d-3c9307e5b115 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46788318.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > >> 8" platform shoes, > > Oh my word! How on earth did you walk in them? With a lot of ease, in fact. Proportionally, they were the same as a normal shoe. The heel was about 8" high, the sole was 7 1/2". There was a curved cut-away under the toe to aid in stepping and they were made from polyurethane, a rubberish compound that was sturdy enough without the weight. Walk? Hell, I could run in them and the way I was dresed back then, I needed to be able to run! These shoes were shoes, not a boot or ankle covering thing and I had no fear of them. Funilly enough, some years later when designing hooves that were almost as high for a costume, I built the things right up over the calf with strapping and buckling to prevent ankle injury...ah, how cowardice takes us with age... -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 19 23:27:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K3R0M7021596 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:27:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5K3QvX8023563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:27:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5K3KFsa001007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K3KASO026658; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:20:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.92]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K3K6Hv026507 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:20:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from zeartiste@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.154.117]) by bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:20:01 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:20:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.55.154.123 by by143fd.bay143.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:19:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [69.92.75.246] X-Originating-Email: [zeartiste@hotmail.com] X-Sender: zeartiste@hotmail.com From: "Becky Rautine" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume] Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:19:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2007 03:20:01.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[E34A7420:01C7B2E9] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: bdc02d72-79bb-465a-adea-edd3d10599a9 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46789E81.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think that the fabric for the front of the underskirt panel is low sheen satin (or duponi silk with some shimmery threads every so often laid into the weave but it could be just the variation of the silk when it is hand spun) with maybe a jacquard weave of a pattern. The few areas where the pattern sticks out more is an embellishment of looped threads that were sometimes made of fine metals like silver or gold. I don't know the term for that kind of embroidery technique but it is loops that stick out from the material, like the way people make the wool rugs with the punch tools. I don't think it is the voided velvet. I too have wanted one like this. I think the sleeves would be the most challenging. I've seen others who posted how they did it but it still looks complicated. Sone use slits, while others make shaped spiral pieces that are attached at certain points. I bought all the patterns I can find on this period. Lots of fabrics I may use and those dream dresses still await my needle to bring them life. Shame I moved away from the PA Renaissance Faire and the fun I had last year. I made dresses for myself and my daughter. It rained the weekend she was to be Princess Elizabeth (her name really is Elizabeth R) and her costume was heavy enough without adding wet to it. She still loved to wear it around the house to play dress-up. I worked a whole year on hers. IT was the pinkish dress worn by the 13 year old Princess Elizabeth. Appropiate for a young lady starting out in the dressing-up fun of Renaissance periods. Sincerely, Rebecca Rautine From: MaggiRos Reply-To: Historical Costume To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume] Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:18:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by bay0-mc4-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:19:03 -0700 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5JMIfj3047713(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK);Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:41 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5JMIOeg014753;Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:34 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com[68.142.207.247])by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5JMIKk8014626for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:22 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 13280 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2007 22:18:15 -0000 Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP;Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:18:14 PDT X-Message-Info: txF49lGdW410UBbSo9du88hUKkCHpLSq04aLd2UzlZCBwC+f8NcSbAEjdf/3SeGR DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com;h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID;b=xkd2ne3ss92Z1UVXtr37lKYasPaBgdcG652sfUgEbMx1QJOgkHfjqkImM3KUbtZPn2jbdnSwOUdlDPsAa8T+VAjEg60FsdRFR76KK1HBei0AgEf/UmeiI+19GiPBqhGYgqv3r2FyLT3A9mheVYBah8AxLTuvmamGIERF+HMFJes=; X-YMail-OSG: BgYsoREVM1kyYdFDHvCm9IE1Cb1.XMcO3bsbqgcX0.JaEVv1uzLNJ2zbOlaM3ROYlgS1elmMfit4DU_NjY1dbKNOJw-- X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jun 2007 22:19:03.0820 (UTC) FILETIME=[D825C4C0:01C7B2BF] Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of this dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, but the ground fabric. I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly royal gown I can think of. MaggiRos --- Kimiko Small wrote: > My dream costume has been this one, of Elizabeth de > Valois, Queen of Spain. > http://tlsun.com/society/pics/ElizabethValois.jpg > Reading: [lunchtime at work] The Pirate Wars, Peter Earle [bedside] The Dresden Files, (all of them), Jim Butcher [about to finish] Strong Poison, Dorothy L. Sayers [CD in the car] The silver Chair, C.S. Lewis Just finished: The Invention of Hugo Cabret, Brian Selznick ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. 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Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 00:34:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K4YD0f025478 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:34:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5K4Y9eX022140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:34:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5K4Wjg6029453 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:32:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K4WfiD083182; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K4WcYx083086 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:32:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from chiara.francesca@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so62314wxc for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:32:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=kAOzDEjpqdK+mVtdUtarZ0rxlaGhohGFbErBIpAgH0hsTujJwSd3fALQzlc8MNHACVd+AX0rpb0xVn1WwCC8xryDMlOToEt5oxk4HqPBVTdg6wBtnUBj4FXH9h3HA7WGk1jEDEc2sCep3UkCsFWh814ntRPd39kVCpH/flemBf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Y7D1FLQKDdsZ1hG3hsWMZlXUymtrGc2osTGpGpyXCGC5zCxLuggXEeCa2ufUzQLKJYOnVD/TAXwHTIJCLvqNvdpKQ/YA6TnFmpUqU/sb1M1B8C7kikLnjnLDSVB+tMY8d72YSB+0vAzopnwVRJAxbnf6El1HSEPHS+4GDiMGeOI= Received: by 10.70.129.4 with SMTP id b4mr442942wxd.1182313953324; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CHESLAPTOP ( [76.185.38.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 8sm311051wra.2007.06.19.21.32.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0ce101c7b2f4$129ea660$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" References: <137408.76411.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:28:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 393e28f3-6391-4d7f-b5d4-1929386cd35d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4678AE41.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sorry .. http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/557253511xAShgE?start=12 Try that link and scroll down to her picture then click on it for the larger images. :) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] > Thank you. I thought it looked funny, but a google > dredge didn't show up any other versions of the full > gown. Thankfully I have it in print to scan and detail > later. > > And the image you showed seems to be a thumbnail, not > a full image. > > Kimiko > > > > --- Chiara Francesca > wrote: > >> Heh ... someone doctored this image pretty good >> there with her own >> face instead of the real one. >> >> Here is a better shot and a more accurate >> representation of the >> painting. >> > http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/58/50/2365258500094285158cCopNf_th.jpg >> >> :) >> >> Chiara >> >> >> On Tue, June 19, 2007 5:18 pm, MaggiRos wrote: >> > Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of >> this >> > dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or >> > brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, but >> the >> > ground fabric. >> > >> > I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly >> > royal gown I can think of. >> > >> > MaggiRos >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated > for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 02:06:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K66UjF031721 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:06:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5K66RlG012474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:06:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5K64806039180 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:04:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K644kn038735; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:04:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K63wdR038680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:04:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-220-114-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.220.114]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l5K63t4Z029658 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:03:57 +1000 Message-ID: <000401c7b300$c70a4760$72dcf5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <46769CB2.3070400@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:03:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b93b2ee3-510b-4b62-adf2-95b8230561c0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4678C3E3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deredere Galbraith" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:54 AM Subject: [h-cost] Your dream costume >I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an >interesting question. > What would be your dream costume? > If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. > you mean just one? um, well probably something Tudor but what I would really kill for is the knowledge of how a proper c.1530-40 woman's gown was really constructed, I like the Tudor Tailor but actually knowing for sure that this is the right way would be my ultimate dream. My forays into 19th century have shown me just how easy the research can be when you can prove something simply by pointing to one of thousands of extant garments or even buying one of your own off ebay or one of the other antique clothing websites, (if you have the money). There's no speculation or guessing or making assumptions you actually _know_ the way it was done. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 07:29:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KBTTvi015624 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:29:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KBTQOU022768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:29:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KBPqND076237 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:25:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KBPmvH043647; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:25:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from levanto.mail.adnap.net.au (levanto.mail.adnap.net.au [203.6.132.83]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KBPh3F043501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:25:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from angharad@adam.com.au) Received: from [219.90.255.189] (helo=GilgameshII) by levanto.mail.adnap.net.au with smtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1I0yJc-000Bd5-Ra for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:55:37 +0930 Message-ID: <004e01c7b32d$b13ddc30$6501a8c0@GilgameshII> From: "Claire Clarke" To: References: <200706192142.l5JLfS97079123@net.indra.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:55:22 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ed95e1c5-9ac3-4d8d-a633-088a6fdd119e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46790F96.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Aargh! I'm 5'3" and I can't wear more than 3" heels without seriously killing my feet. Mind you I do have small feet. In 3" heels I am pretty much walking on my toes. As to past fashion mistakes I did wear leg warmers in the 80s. I had a constant running battle with my mother over them. I wanted to wear them around my ankles like the people in Fame. She wanted me to pull them up over my knees (ie to keep my legs warm). Now that is a disturbing look.... Claire Message: 13 Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:51:42 -0700 From: "Carmen Beaudry" Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore To: "Historical Costume" Message-ID: <030c01c7b2b3$a4824780$0200a8c0@boris> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original >> 8" platform shoes, >> >> -C. > > Oh my word! How on earth did you walk in them? > > High heels are such a foreign concept to me. I've been singing my whole > life, and singers should never wear a heel over an inch high (throws off > your balance, which throws off your breathing). But then, being 5'9", I > never had to be concerned about being 'tall' either. ;) > > Arlys I spent a great deal of my live in musical theater, singing and dancing in 3"+ heels. You need to learn how to stand, walk and dance, but believe me, you can sing in them, you just need to know how. I also did ballroom and latin dance professionally, with a dance partner who was 6'8". (I'm 5'2"). My dance shoes had 5" heels, because otherwise we looked ridiculous. Even now, after a catastrophic car accident, back injuries and arthritis, I can wear heels, just not for every day, or all day. Melusine _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 08:44:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KCish7025525 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:44:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KCipOb027041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:44:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KCf1N5085057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:41:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KCesXl093772; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:40:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KCeoGw093694 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:40:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.65]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070620124044.WMPD3155.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:40:44 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.65]) by ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070620124044.IOHE23532.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:40:44 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:40:18 -0500 To: From: Beth and Bob Matney Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070620124044.IOHE23532.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] new book X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4ba79fc4-41da-48ba-be76-e3c80a063c33 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46792143.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I received my copy of this from B&N yesterday: Scott, Margaret. Medieval Dress & Fashion. London: British Library, 2007. 208 p. : col. ill. ; 29 cm. hardcover. ISBN: 9780712306751 0712306757 OCLC: 76851681 List Price: $55.00 (but available at a good discount) This is a survey of European dress and fashion (800-1600) through a study of manuscript illumination and contemporary records. Profusely illustrated. A pretty book. An interesting tidbit is the derivation of "scarlet" as "shorn cloth" (ie. a fulled and shorn woolen cloth) on pg 19. While no footnotes for statements such as these, there is a nice bibliography organized by chapters in the back of the book. Other books by Margaret Scott: Scott, Margaret. Medieval Clothing and Costumes: Displaying Wealth and Class in Medieval Times. The library of the Middle Ages. New York: Rosen Pub. Group, 2004. ISBN: 082393991X 9780823939916 OCLC: 50919960 Scott, Margaret. A Visual History of Costume: The Fourteenth & Fifteenth Centuries. London: B.T. Batsford, 1986. ISBN: 0713448571 9780713448573 OCLC: 60029331 OCLC: 15806913 Scott, Margaret. Late Gothic Europe, 1400-1500. The history of dress series. London: Mills & Boon, 1980. ISBN: 0263064298 9780263064292 0391021486 9780391021488 OCLC: 7696226 Beth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 08:55:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KCt4IZ026519 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:55:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KCsxTE005758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:55:05 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KCsRN8086860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:54:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KCsQFW002678; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:54:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KCsMOg002611 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:54:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@shell.nightowl.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29811 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:57:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:57:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] new book In-Reply-To: <20070620124044.IOHE23532.ispmxaamta04-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8d4bcb5d-f637-4f51-bce6-98d12f3cc4f8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467923A3.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > Scott, Margaret. Medieval Dress & Fashion. ... > > An interesting tidbit is the derivation of "scarlet" as "shorn cloth" > (ie. a fulled and shorn woolen cloth) on pg 19. John Munro summarized the thinking on this point in the article he wrote in this year's volume of MC&T. He gives a pretty good argument that although this theory has been around for a century or so and is still widely accepted, the hard evidence from the period doesn't support it -- many woolens were fulled and sheared, not just scarlets, and there was nothing different or more expensive about the shearing process used for scarlets. He has offered his own theory, first published in his landmark article on "The Medieval Scarlet" in 1983 and reprinted elsewhere, that links the name to the kermes dyestuff, which is indeed the differentiating characteristic between these cloths and others (and accounts for a huge proportion of the price difference). Scott certainly would have had no trouble finding other sources that repeat the older theory, but it's a shame she didn't pursue the matter by reading the more current (and well-known) work by Munro. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 09:15:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KDFTo6028455 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:15:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KDFQts007886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:15:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KDEnIr089473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:14:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KDEnNw017420; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:14:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K8fj2k036751 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 02:41:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=l/pWIHezzNAYcbLs5byjVRzguhJ2ZCoUioAx1ORoplFB16KJU1tZXwiyFDelc2wu; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.0.241.138] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I0vky-0005AL-FV for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:41:40 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22007632084142781@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:41:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79d595558ead0d56b94aec1e69a04de2b9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.0.241.138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: efd5cd92-3922-47e3-8e33-097d90beb844 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4679286E.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Phoenix dress ?? Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Jennifer Byrne > To: Historical Costume > Date: 6/19/2007 3:44:27 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume > > Without the limitation of time or money, it would be either Queen > Elizabeth's dress in the Pelican Portrait or the Phoenix dress with all the > proper detail. Just can't imagine... > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Deredere Galbraith > Sent: June 18, 2007 10:55 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: [h-cost] Your dream costume > > I was thinking of what my next costume would be and I came to an > interesting question. > What would be your dream costume? > If you wouldn't be limited by money or your own expertise. > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 09:16:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KDFxPI028548 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:15:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KDFuSX016450 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:15:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KDFXLm089621 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:15:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KDFWuK018122; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:15:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-05.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-05.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.59]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KAVN7s006729 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:31:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-05.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5KAVDDd011526 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:31:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <137408.76411.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0ce101c7b2f4$129ea660$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c7b326$1df54190$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acey9HPsSKpF6EzAQrGcV/5BpoIeHgAMYagg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <0ce101c7b2f4$129ea660$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4896652e-3dd4-4123-8ec1-bc4742f0256d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4679288C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What a nice collection of 16th century portraits in one spot - some of which I have seen, but many not. Thanks for posting the site! Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Chiara Francesca Sent: June 20, 2007 12:28 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] Sorry .. http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/557253511xAShgE?start=12 Try that link and scroll down to her picture then click on it for the larger images. :) Chiara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kimiko Small" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] > Thank you. I thought it looked funny, but a google > dredge didn't show up any other versions of the full > gown. Thankfully I have it in print to scan and detail > later. > > And the image you showed seems to be a thumbnail, not > a full image. > > Kimiko > > > > --- Chiara Francesca > wrote: > >> Heh ... someone doctored this image pretty good >> there with her own >> face instead of the real one. >> >> Here is a better shot and a more accurate >> representation of the >> painting. >> > http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/58/50/2365258500094285158cCopNf_th.jp g >> >> :) >> >> Chiara >> >> >> On Tue, June 19, 2007 5:18 pm, MaggiRos wrote: >> > Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of >> this >> > dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or >> > brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, but >> the >> > ground fabric. >> > >> > I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly >> > royal gown I can think of. >> > >> > MaggiRos >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated > for today's economy) at Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Victorian Millinery sue@victorianmillinery.com 401 Fairview Ave. Frederick,MD 21701 301-694-8950 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 09:17:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KDHnCb028961 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:17:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KDHjTg000770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:17:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KDEe3b089428 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:14:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KDEdhP017241; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:14:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5K6xRFc071983 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 212.139.67.162 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=0z0360wAAAAA:8 a=8Iq1HKswAAAA:8 a=vyfM4bikAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=0KMjMiJwQWld4O3bzOQA:9 a=bRt2CUoPrGAk11i5YUMA:7 a=kCeHsvNxjcawu5-Q-Fmg0wxvJGQA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjMzAJtseEbUi0OiR2dsb2JhbACPDAEBPwE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,441,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="3000761" Received: from 212-139-67-162.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([212.139.67.162]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 20 Jun 2007 07:58:42 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070620075751.027856b0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:58:34 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] In-Reply-To: <0ce101c7b2f4$129ea660$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> References: <137408.76411.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0ce101c7b2f4$129ea660$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eac63aa3-d5ea-4141-a43a-59339f261ad2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 467928F9.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 05:28 20/06/2007, you wrote: >Sorry .. http://entertainment.webshots.com/album/557253511xAShgE?start=12 > >Try that link and scroll down to her picture then click on it for >the larger images. :) > >Chiara Oh, my, what a great site - all those pictures in one place. Thanks Chiara. Suzi >>Thank you. I thought it looked funny, but a google >>dredge didn't show up any other versions of the full >>gown. Thankfully I have it in print to scan and detail >>later. >> >>And the image you showed seems to be a thumbnail, not >>a full image. >> >>Kimiko >> >> >> >>--- Chiara Francesca >>wrote: >> >>>Heh ... someone doctored this image pretty good >>>there with her own >>>face instead of the real one. >>> >>>Here is a better shot and a more accurate >>>representation of the >>>painting. >>http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/58/50/2365258500094285158cCopNf_th.jpg >>> >>>:) >>> >>>Chiara >>> >>> >>>On Tue, June 19, 2007 5:18 pm, MaggiRos wrote: >>> > Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric of >>>this >>> > dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or >>> > brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, but >>>the >>> > ground fabric. >>> > >>> > I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most truly >>> > royal gown I can think of. >>> > >>> > MaggiRos >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>h-costume mailing list >>>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> >> >> >> >>____________________________________________________________________________________ >>Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's >>updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 08:54 PM 6/19/2007, you wrote: >I'm going Wednesday night to turn in my application to be a >volunteer at a local historic site. They do 1860's. Nothing fancy, >it's a farm house, but it looks like it could be fun. I've met some >of the other ladies and they're nice. > >Wish me luck. I don't know if they're going to interview me tomorrow >or have me come back later, but I'm nervous I'll say something >stupid and they won't want me. I got turned away from another >volunteer job at a site once because I didn't have any experience >'interpreting'. I'm hoping this one goes better. They seem a lot more low-key. > >Those of you who do volunteer work at sites, how did you get the 'job'? > >Dawn Out here in Sacramento, I am a long-time docent at Sutter's Fort. We have training classes for new docents, so you are not expected to know a great deal about the Fort when you begin. The interview to be accepted as a docent trainee is to make certain that you know what function of a docent is (you need to like interacting with visitors) and to make certain you do not have unrealistic ideas of what you can do. Most places are in need of volunteers, so I am surprised that any place turns down people without giving them a chance to learn how to interpret to the public. Interpretation is something than one learns, primarily by doing (being a chatterbox is not a handicap ;-) ). Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 14:31:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KIVspp004303 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:31:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KIVp4g032330 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:31:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KIUjHT052184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:30:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KIUXAD030222; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:30:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net (ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net [166.102.165.170]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KIUSQH030040 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bmatney@alltel.net) Received: from ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net ([162.40.179.65]) by ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070620183023.OOYI3155.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net> for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:30:23 -0500 Received: from emachine_T4155.alltel.net ([162.40.179.65]) by ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net with ESMTP id <20070620183021.XENT24316.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:30:21 -0500 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:29:56 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beth and Bob Matney Subject: Re: [h-cost] new book In-Reply-To: <200706201800.l5KI0eZ4000267@net.indra.com> References: <200706201800.l5KI0eZ4000267@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070620183021.XENT24316.ispmxaamta05-gx.windstream.net@emachine_T4155.alltel.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6eb265f6-f638-4240-ae89-a2d74845c145 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46797297.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO And that was why it was an interesting tidbit... since no mention was made of other theories. This was surprising with a person of these credentials. It is a survey work, but it makes one wonder what other things she glosses over. I am not very far into it as yet... Beth >Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 07:57:57 -0500 (CDT) >From: Robin Netherton > >On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, Beth and Bob Matney wrote: > > > Scott, Margaret. Medieval Dress & Fashion. ... > > > > An interesting tidbit is the derivation of "scarlet" as "shorn cloth" > > (ie. a fulled and shorn woolen cloth) on pg 19. > >John Munro summarized the thinking on this point in the article he wrote >in this year's volume of MC&T. He gives a pretty good argument that >although this theory has been around for a century or so and is still >widely accepted, the hard evidence from the period doesn't support it -- >many woolens were fulled and sheared, not just scarlets, and there was >nothing different or more expensive about the shearing process used for >scarlets. He has offered his own theory, first published in his landmark >article on "The Medieval Scarlet" in 1983 and reprinted elsewhere, that >links the name to the kermes dyestuff, which is indeed the differentiating >characteristic between these cloths and others (and accounts for a huge >proportion of the price difference). Scott certainly would have had no >trouble finding other sources that repeat the older theory, but it's a >shame she didn't pursue the matter by reading the more current (and >well-known) work by Munro. > >--Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 15:59:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KJxPsC011044 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:59:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KJxMSi009008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:59:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KJuWwn068910 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:56:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KJu0lR016514; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:56:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.248]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5KJt2OH015436 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47744 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2007 19:54:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HaXOa5lYblovZTbe7dGDyc7bLO0U3jC2smnPkcfz9+0eTstox0F+uzu8RCPx1H5lLBCdUqFBo15wV2CSks3sWUADFy/FZ2RZ2mcqgJrDSSyxb59f60XN5UYq4r6j+6Kmaly3JE1Ejh8wem2cX7dmaZk7d1Io0EcakrLIhga7Saw=; X-YMail-OSG: _g52SaUVM1nS3pGWkPoDvG41KXC74wRb3VUQceZ52J_I2sXLJZQjHjxZE8oWfhD4EhZATlHemb.HJ1spNi.urbtesgBFbGacA2HTVUZNyjLGqBuRBzOY7EIAIok8Ng-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:54:56 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <137408.76411.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <958292.46946.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 65a87630-d70a-4c16-a2fe-ad4712260dae X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4679871A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here's what I think Chiara was trying to share, although that is the face in the painting, not a Photoshop. http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/1032412662015260226xztqVY?vhost=entertainment or http://tinyurl.com/2oq7fw MaggiRos --- Kimiko Small wrote: > Thank you. I thought it looked funny, but a google > dredge didn't show up any other versions of the full > gown. Thankfully I have it in print to scan and > detail > later. > > And the image you showed seems to be a thumbnail, > not > a full image. > > Kimiko > > > > --- Chiara Francesca > wrote: > > > Heh ... someone doctored this image pretty good > > there with her own > > face instead of the real one. > > > > Here is a better shot and a more accurate > > representation of the > > painting. > > > http://thumb18.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/58/50/2365258500094285158cCopNf_th.jpg > > > > :) > > > > Chiara > > > > > > On Tue, June 19, 2007 5:18 pm, MaggiRos wrote: > > > Dopes anyone know for sure, is the main fabric > of > > this > > > dress embroidered, or voided velvet or satin, or > > > brocade, or what? Not the embroidered gardes, > but > > the > > > ground fabric. > > > > > > I LOVE that dress. It's just about the most > truly > > > royal gown I can think of. > > > > > > MaggiRos > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here > and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > Reading: [lunchtime at work] The Pirate Wars, Peter Earle [bedside] The Dresden Files, (all of them), Jim Butcher [about to finish] Strong Poison, Dorothy L. Sayers [CD in the car] The silver Chair, C.S. Lewis Just finished: The Invention of Hugo Cabret, Brian Selznick ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 16:04:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KK4ahZ011356 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:04:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KK4X3O015093 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:04:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KJp4p7067880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:51:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KJp0dH011662; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:51:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5KJoqgV011449 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:50:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 92316 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2007 19:50:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tvD53BFGl1XO2jnTLffUoeMcjL/T7SZOCBg176jOmIZV8F1zXN37r2Pp1houZHocX1xG5LuI/ySmkj6nP7THoUsUY7a5NbcIvLxEPH0StSNi46c3oKwh2GzSdaw0SGgI/9uXhE+P/LtvGXHqWVMCwYoTZZPl4KUK2tHwrtrv0K8=; X-YMail-OSG: rUa3PWUVM1m4fJ1Q8gtNrMBgTgXLydHhJz76PqZsgK3.OhZHSqYljrCVD9Y7Ym4gaCfSmkhEt8W2GQdBw4ObyXyK0F9YEhGHUOTRU.ElR7hu.OplRUzs_oh228l7aw-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:50:47 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:50:47 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <42290.65.117.156.5.1182292999.squirrel@webmail.io.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <531098.91104.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-wuwien-Metrics: dra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c255a99f-b868-4090-a560-9ac259f21917 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46798851.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Lewis Just finished: The Invention of Hugo Cabret, Brian Selznick ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 16:07:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KK7k1e011547 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:07:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KK7hi3016199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:07:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KK62Cd070830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:06:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KK5w98026398; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:05:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.249]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5KK5rAg026242 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:05:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 10604 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2007 20:05:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5fLpkJEuASWYxVCD9wNi2etcvyeyLSd0yEPYJlf5HWWHlmlX2qRQjsDkwGONJCGiTVaj/u6Bs+lQuca5fe4rdrkzwo1XVRjZo+kuHCnRs4O5MAzWk91vxLX7mgQcJR86RSmyxzgyTtuSfZB1yNRCOGT0jv6AzV3DFpiEqS/Pcqk=; X-YMail-OSG: N_2NM6EVM1n2DOLgx3G8ZT3K3kX0mlrYopFHGFjaDxGNy3W0tq8SqIcB1B0OpMS63.kKKEIQr4jP3eTgUa2fG8jt8JFpENLNGa8JQz9EljxuX.dkDWd2vCV_CT7VJg-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:05:47 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:05:47 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0ce101c7b2f4$129ea660$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <918176.10097.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 151e909e-b954-4f17-94d5-42363130515c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4679890F.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 16:30:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KKUPn4012810 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:30:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KKULEN006041 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:30:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KKRX4H073898 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:27:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KKRSK4045750; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:27:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KKRNNv045649 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:27:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so288534wra for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:27:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=J+aCQOF4Cl+Ig6XRDSnCnlaoGo4Pwj+Mjajsf82Qc89V8IWDAK1AcwucpHJ0CLm5kdEPSaTF1aVVJ09RwaTylYAeYs4SsbJHvY3hRpLvjByxs7TgsTCH8ph2NTlhm5YiMJvJBdKcCq2F2vI6Dw6q2BntJ/OhQNPLXE0wwV3/++M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BeUJQANDTcfTiPhDUfiDN+P+DWtABUmkrZwfoTg166nb9JBf7LrrW5rQUGZFs/qb34Of+3ifLBwrcx43YRT33pGaNlD8PKBYXVvRQezZC4TrO9Qdzg2Y+FCTcShYcbKCv890R0TbcP+i3Ji97aUY4TsHyqoB0Zti3H2X9zHspYQ= Received: by 10.142.87.15 with SMTP id k15mr1846wfb.1182371242881; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:27:22 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: volunteering X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e2239e35-f8ec-46ad-a2ac-8bc7510eed1d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46798E5D.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >I'm going Wednesday night to turn in my application to be a volunteer at >a local historic site. They do 1860's. Nothing fancy, it's a farm house, >but it looks like it could be fun. I've met some of the other ladies and >they're nice. >Those of you who do volunteer work at sites, how did you get the 'job'? Hey, Dawn I just started showing up. Every month. (That's when the site did living history: just once a month.) Pretty soon I was on the events planning committee, the next year head of another committee, another year later I was on the board, then president. Unless it's Sturbridge or Billburg (er, Williamsburg) most sites dont say "no, thank-you". That said, we had our own problems, like the park ranger we had for a few years who was an ex-LA cop. She wanted to issue citations (like traffic citations, not like merit badges) to volunteers who, in the ranger's opinion, didnt measure up, usually in some trivial way. I remember the fashion violation she tried to issue... --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 17:44:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KLinhi016674 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:44:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5KLikwj017467 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:44:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5KLeBl9083801 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:40:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KLe4YA011891; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:40:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from barra1.swissinfo.org (barra1.swissinfo.org [146.159.6.75]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KLdw2u011679 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:40:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from swissgirl@swissinfo.org) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1182375588-344d004e0004-L6CAXr X-Barracuda-URL: http://146.159.6.75:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi X-Barracuda-Connect: kuma.sri.ch[194.6.181.33] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1182375588 X-ASG-Whitelist: Sender Received: from mail.swissinfo.org (kuma.sri.ch [194.6.181.33]) by barra1.swissinfo.org (Spam Firewall) with ESMTP id 5C0A619D3CF for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:39:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaqub (24.217.99.41) by mail.swissinfo.org (7.2.064.1) (authenticated as swissgirl) id 466D2BA9004214DA for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:39:52 +0200 Message-ID: <028a01c7b383$9f8e4fa0$be00a8c0@compaqub> From: "E House" To: "Historical Costume" References: <137408.76411.qm@web32213.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0ce101c7b2f4$129ea660$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> <000901c7b326$1df54190$367ee648@ByrneComputer> X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:40:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at swissinfo.org X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81216ebf-b631-47af-9b11-8f21c4d5264f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46799FCE.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wow, that really does look like goldwork, in the closeup of the skirt recently posted. Having done a wee bit of that myself, the mind boggles at the amount of time it would take to do that much of it! Though it would take even longer to embroider it in silks. Even though I'm not particularly interested in this time period/style, I did have to fight off a strong temptation to make this dress a year or two ago, because there was a large hunk of fabric for sale on eBay that was almost exactly like what's seen here--except it was pale apple green/salmon instead of gold/salmon. That was the only thing that stopped me from at least buying it and hoarding it until my taste in time periods changed yet again. Still kind of wish I had... the thing was up for sale for months and months. -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 21:39:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L1ds04003205 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:39:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L1dnkY018057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:39:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L1dLQd016988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L1dEeM090463; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:39:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net (sccrmhc14.comcast.net [63.240.77.84]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KFaca9049154 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:36:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [10.40.36.10] (70-89-163-85-snowmass-club-co.hfc.comcastbusiness.net?[70.89.163.85]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2007062015364101400l869qe>; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:36:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <200706201423.l5KENZ4m077948@net.indra.com> References: <4678A4FA.50707@reddawn.net> <200706201423.l5KENZ4m077948@net.indra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] volunteering Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:36:40 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: e11d54b6-1047-4e7d-a09d-315b7eb40ba3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4679D6E5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO What does interpreting mean? On Jun 20, 2007, at 8:19 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 08:54 PM 6/19/2007, you wrote: >> I'm going Wednesday night to turn in my application to be a volunteer >> at a local historic site. They do 1860's. Nothing fancy, it's a farm >> house, but it looks like it could be fun. I've met some of the other >> ladies and they're nice. >> >> Wish me luck. I don't know if they're going to interview me tomorrow >> or have me come back later, but I'm nervous I'll say something stupid >> and they won't want me. I got turned away from another volunteer job >> at a site once because I didn't have any experience 'interpreting'. >> I'm hoping this one goes better. They seem a lot more low-key. >> >> Those of you who do volunteer work at sites, how did you get the >> 'job'? >> >> Dawn > > Out here in Sacramento, I am a long-time docent at Sutter's Fort. We > have training classes for new docents, so you are not expected to know > a great deal about the Fort when you begin. The interview to be > accepted as a docent trainee is to make certain that you know what > function of a docent is (you need to like interacting with visitors) > and to make certain you do not have unrealistic ideas of what you can > do. Most places are in need of volunteers, so I am surprised that any > place turns down people without giving them a chance to learn how to > interpret to the public. Interpretation is something than one learns, > primarily by doing (being a chatterbox is not a handicap ;-) ). > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 21:42:04 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L1g3JY003426 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:42:03 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L1g0to014140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:42:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L1feeo017380 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:41:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L1fd93092322; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5KK5GWp025626 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:05:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16745 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jun 2007 20:05:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LQkak3ukyqQhQKps9RFrGq4K7ENCrgdu2NrHPTmZwyFuOf1UFuy+Guw5K7o4nV4rt2iuPGvhTwolH+jUGxgPJpm6RAKvVxfriXSaXSYRmU+lYPiTRPzFWuRrFVNJ5sk7zs6LsQNr7oUwWTxLmFUGvw89yoZvjjpsGpC88KcO3ak=; X-YMail-OSG: Aa1MyXsVM1mnJiFbpqWR93Gmuteh6uaGqafkoqbXPnQxMU656WEvnmNrqopkaEExJzjtQQCRSGgTRFzw9J4TwFbxfSNTz3sTkNSj6TB7YhtciVKpTD.YXmqQX8pmGg-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:05:08 PDT Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 13:05:08 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <0ce101c7b2f4$129ea660$040ba8c0@CHESLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <941580.15551.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist X-UUID: 553fbe1c-0b22-4cb6-aa57-c40adcb74ea3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4679D768.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 21:44:08 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L1i7YI003684 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:44:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L1i4tc002465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:44:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L1gUdh017480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L1gUNn092915; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5KM6dbX035232 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:06:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5KM6PjB003910 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:06:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <410-22007632084142781@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:06:20 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c7b387$3c1ba4f0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <410-22007632084142781@earthlink.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-index: AcezPVjyzTw79ddTQ+yjfJCBi0dOSwASNkYg X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ecd9bd40-f6aa-451d-ad69-d9ca87ec32c4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4679D7E4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ah - yes - wildly extravagant dress you can see here: http://www.elizabethancostume.net/gallery/images/qe-phoenix.jpg Fit for a Queen as they say. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Silvara Sent: June 20, 2007 4:42 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume Phoenix dress ?? Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Jennifer Byrne > To: Historical Costume > Date: 6/19/2007 3:44:27 AM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume > > Without the limitation of time or money, it would be either Queen > Elizabeth's dress in the Pelican Portrait or the Phoenix dress with all the > proper detail. Just can't imagine... > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 21:44:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L1ibdk003724 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:44:37 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L1iYx6005977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:44:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L1i0dw017803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:44:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L1hxhN094293; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:43:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L1huRB094216 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from silvaragreenleaf@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cLL7CHg1/mjOyR5tZa+zjiYT8BXJmWk0x6FRAJnna64DmNff99otfPGr+tjZRvjK; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [76.0.241.138] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I1BiA-0004fJ-Aq for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:43:50 -0400 Message-ID: <410-22007642114353109@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2004.1.42.0 (Windows) From: "Silvara" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:43:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 55793bc9c6738afdef8548c534e04b911aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec791762f2c2181ff9fd7c25b844af071271350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 76.0.241.138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cb8d6297-bbca-494b-a449-8aeb8455a37b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4679D802.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO okay, thank you Silvara > [Original Message] > From: Jennifer Byrne > To: Historical Costume > Date: 6/20/2007 6:43:03 PM > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume > > Ah - yes - wildly extravagant dress you can see here: > > http://www.elizabethancostume.net/gallery/images/qe-phoenix.jpg > > Fit for a Queen as they say. > > -----Original Message----- > From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On > Behalf Of Silvara > Sent: June 20, 2007 4:42 AM > To: Historical Costume > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume > > Phoenix dress ?? > Silvara > > > [Original Message] > > From: Jennifer Byrne > > To: Historical Costume > > Date: 6/19/2007 3:44:27 AM > > Subject: RE: [h-cost] Your dream costume > > > > Without the limitation of time or money, it would be either Queen > > Elizabeth's dress in the Pelican Portrait or the Phoenix dress with all > the > > proper detail. Just can't imagine... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 22:22:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L2M2mX007916 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:22:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L2LxrM030752 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:22:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L2LWCQ021363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:21:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L2LUnu016467; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:21:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from qsmtp3.mc.surewest.net (qsmtp.mc.surewest.net [66.60.130.145]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5L2LPDf016416 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:21:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from joanmj@surewest.net) Message-Id: <200706210221.l5L2LPDf016416@net.indra.com> Received: (qmail 2545 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2007 19:21:25 -0700 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 2189, pid: 2531, t: 1.5964s scanners: regex: 1.1.0 attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.90.1/m:43 spam: 3.1.7-deb X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7-deb (2006-10-05) on qsmtp3.surewest.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.7-deb Received: from unknown (HELO DD84JW21.surewest.net) (65.78.183.250) by qsmtp3 with SMTP; 20 Jun 2007 19:21:23 -0700 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:17:06 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: Joan Jurancich Subject: Re: [h-cost] volunteering In-Reply-To: References: <4678A4FA.50707@reddawn.net> <200706201423.l5KENZ4m077948@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d8c2c9c-b3f6-4f68-a37e-97c09f792dbf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4679E0C7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO "Interpreting" means, roughly, making the physical aspects of the historic site meaningful to visitors. For example, at Sutter's Fort we have a reproduction of a farm wagon that was used in the 1840s to move to California from Missouri. I like to tell people that it is the "1840's moving van". That leads into discussions about what was carried, how many yoke of oxen were needed, how much it cost to provision yourself for the journey, how long it took, etc. That discussion is an "interpretation" of the wagon. You can do a similar type of thing with a building, with clothing, with cooking equipment, etc. And it can be done in "third person", when you say that "they" did this; or in "first person", when you speak as the person doing a task, or owning a piece of equipment, e.g. It takes more practice to do it in first person (and a lot of studying of all aspects of the period you are interpreting), but that is something I enjoy doing. Joan Jurancich At 08:36 AM 6/20/2007, you wrote: >What does interpreting mean? > > On Jun 20, 2007, at 8:19 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > >>At 08:54 PM 6/19/2007, you wrote: >>>I'm going Wednesday night to turn in my application to be a >>>volunteer at a local historic site. They do 1860's. Nothing fancy, >>>it's a farm house, but it looks like it could be fun. I've met >>>some of the other ladies and they're nice. >>> >>>Wish me luck. I don't know if they're going to interview me >>>tomorrow or have me come back later, but I'm nervous I'll say >>>something stupid and they won't want me. I got turned away from >>>another volunteer job at a site once because I didn't have any >>>experience 'interpreting'. I'm hoping this one goes better. They >>>seem a lot more low-key. >>> >>>Those of you who do volunteer work at sites, how did you get the 'job'? >>> >>>Dawn >> >>Out here in Sacramento, I am a long-time docent at Sutter's >>Fort. We have training classes for new docents, so you are not >>expected to know a great deal about the Fort when you begin. The >>interview to be accepted as a docent trainee is to make certain >>that you know what function of a docent is (you need to like >>interacting with visitors) and to make certain you do not have >>unrealistic ideas of what you can do. Most places are in need of >>volunteers, so I am surprised that any place turns down people >>without giving them a chance to learn how to interpret to the >>public. Interpretation is something than one learns, primarily by >>doing (being a chatterbox is not a handicap ;-) ). >> >> >>Joan Jurancich >>joanmj@surewest.net >>_______________________________________________ >>h-costume mailing list >>h-costume@mail.indra.com >>http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 20 23:20:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L3KCDj014562 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:20:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L3KA0k013272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:20:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L3Jg73027954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:19:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L3JdRm052543; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:19:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.65]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5L3JZiv052437 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:19:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sadisticschoolmistress@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 60222 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2007 03:19:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=mHYbuKjY9A1jG4Lv7fWY/X0CQmmoZeD6HZta/vy4Mx8AFFcs5dcz6Mbb7iyXzPa+7ePIErOjnTzp0XhJ8bu3DQDlPMzTlOY49QSTUxDDEN7SSvfIzQP24IO97/QG/hxIMhPzdjLek9oDSfYlbBZqpcsjx+dAxRdHk3f7UXE/KuM=; X-YMail-OSG: 7lOQKoQVM1mC0IhrmsXyeEURfVtJ4rQ9sGY90HrrztCUIU_v2f1UwRPU886DYIGwhQ-- Received: from [206.190.52.38] by web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:19:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.29 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.16 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:19:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sheridan Alder Subject: Re: [h-cost] How clothing style can effect law (RE to OT "Baggy") To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <180742.60182.qm@web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 23fe8c94-01a3-46e4-b1e8-71cb18f277a0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4679EE6A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sheridan Alder ----- Original Message ---- From: "AlbertCat@aol.com" To: h-costume@indra.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:00:32 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] How clothing style can effect law (RE to OT "Baggy") In a message dated 6/19/2007 4:05:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sonja@louisiana.edu writes: Delcambre is a small town and several town citizens complained about this "style" of dress Now you know the rest of the story. So if "several citizens" [I wonder how many] complained, say about churches in town because they were atheists, I'm sure the town council would create a law banning churches, right? The rest of the story sounds just like the 1st part of the story....stupid! What did you think I thought had happened? That it was just a whim? 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Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 00:23:52 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L4Np2q021633 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:23:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L4Nmap030285 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:23:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L4LFmt034920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:21:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L4LAW5089195; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:21:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web63511.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web63511.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.97.66]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5L4L6ZI089066 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:21:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sadisticschoolmistress@yahoo.ca) Received: (qmail 33998 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2007 04:21:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=TzE+OWlSYqYhz2Yc5zogn49gcJaZZEqW8j/Lx2cObQWVpb5kCbP13fxE70Jxp1NSfjE/2RLjmDeymARbJQK+5d4A/UTBQ2tiIRRY/lCfoOZozMjoOrVIkBvZ2HKqD3/lFWBrRAYUmrEM6LX99AZ/BixFaUliVZIUybWKP+mfQIo=; X-YMail-OSG: 2.ceiN0VM1nRYP8CeEpvI5auoPAirSVruDtK_Y79ZgqAk3WpnpdD1W1IkIU0hRq5IZuJupjNO.06GVKfd5E8TgpKmwr.94XKip5TxugTxl3k55dvEaLNQdj.NKwB_Lw- Received: from [69.147.97.214] by web63511.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:21:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.29 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.16 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:21:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Sheridan Alder Subject: Re: [h-cost] volunteering To: Historical Costume MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <76000.31626.qm@web63511.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 31f85f98-eeaf-4e76-8f50-27d72e4089a7 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4679FD54.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Treat it like a real interview. Dress nicely, speak intelligently but politely. If you don't have time to do some background reading, express an interest in learning and being guided. If you tend to be shy, let them know you are interested in improving your communication skills speaking to the public (you'll be surprised - excellent and relevant experience for other jobs, not to mention job interviews!) I'm shocked by the stories I'm heard of the number of people that are interviewed for jobs at historic sites and don't even bother to skim the information pamphlets available in the entrance! Read that and memorize what you can, at least, even while you are waiting for your interview. That might show more horse sense than all the others being interviewed. The trendy thing nowadays is asking applicants to provide an example of a time that you had to deal with a difficult situation, customer, etc. Try to think of something, even if it seems pitiful at the time - like, "when my sister tries to pick a fight with me, I just walk away and refuse to fight". A safe response might be, "I asked my supervisor for advice to deal with the situation". Try to demonstrate good judgement and common sense and a willingness to follow the guidance of the staff. Don't contradict the permanent staff in front of visitors. Don't use your volunteer position as an opening to grind your own axe - mouth off to the public about your personally held political beliefs, etc. or old cliches about the past. At the same time, a volunteer shouldn't have to tolerate harassment from the public - like sexual harassment from male visitors, for example, or rascist rants. If it's a mediocre site, be prepared to accept and repeat their mouldy-oldy party line about the olden times. Ask a few questions yourself - how many hours they want to to volunteer, what kind of role do volunteers play - cleaning, interpreting, cash, shop, general dogsbody? Will you be in period costume or in their uniform? How many volunteers and how many staff they have? Do they have large events or school programs? Do they have a "Friends of " group? Who are they funded by - state or local government? Our WWI group volunteer yearly at John McCrae House, the author of "In Flanders Fields". At first the site wasn't very interested - shy of reenactors. Now we volunteer every year. I think it helped that no one in our group was an aggressive or wacko reenactor type - we just wanted to help out the site, show off our cool original artefacts and interpret a period / war that was somewhat neglected. We are all pretty moderate, helpful types and in return the staff and regular volunteers provide some great chili! I have a lot of respect for teachers after a day of volunteering - I'm exhausted after talking to visitors all day. I'd do some background reading first. That's a lie - I'm a librarian so I'd do lots of reading! The local public library can probably supply information on the background of that particular site and the family that lived there, general background reading of historical events of that time period, etc. If you Google "Harriet Beecher Stowe", for example, I believe there is a full text version of the American Woman's Home (or whatever it was called) online. Know something about domestic arrangements, standards of living and farming. Modestly let them know you prepared for the interview? If you aren't accepted this year, don't take it personally. They probably don't "hate" you. Maybe they can only accept a few people and one person was just an teensy, weensy bit better in the interview. People respect you when you keep trying. Apply again next year or somewhere else and prepare a little more next time. I'm obviously middle-aged - I'm so full of advice! Sheridan Alder ----- Original Message ---- From: Dawn To: Historical Costume Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:54:34 PM Subject: [h-cost] volunteering I'm going Wednesday night to turn in my application to be a volunteer at a local historic site. They do 1860's. Nothing fancy, it's a farm house, but it looks like it could be fun. I've met some of the other ladies and they're nice. Wish me luck. I don't know if they're going to interview me tomorrow or have me come back later, but I'm nervous I'll say something stupid and they won't want me. I got turned away from another volunteer job at a site once because I didn't have any experience 'interpreting'. I'm hoping this one goes better. They seem a lot more low-key. Those of you who do volunteer work at sites, how did you get the 'job'? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Get news delivered with the All new Yahoo! Mail. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page. Start today at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 00:29:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L4TKbd022238 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:29:20 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L4THXN021936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:29:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L4SsNb035775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:28:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L4SrC0093815; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:28:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.200.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L4SotT093755 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:28:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sylvia@ntw.net) Received: from [10.40.36.10] (70-89-163-85-snowmass-club-co.hfc.comcastbusiness.net?[70.89.163.85]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2007062104284401100cm17pe>; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:28:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <76000.31626.qm@web63511.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <76000.31626.qm@web63511.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <865ed4b37317ae5406a0ba5fa4d30887@ntw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sylvia Rognstad Subject: Re: [h-cost] volunteering Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:28:44 -0600 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 576c4bbf-eba0-4a08-b35f-cdc2f47ca55c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4679FE9D.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sylrog _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 01:44:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L5iDQl030577 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:44:13 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L5iAxS006061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:44:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L5eKWF042030 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:40:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L5eH0Q034206; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.207]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5L5eDkf034119 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:40:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lizyoung@fenris.net) Received: (qmail 46237 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2007 05:40:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (glenn.mcgregor@sbcglobal.net@71.142.48.229 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2007 05:40:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1NhegMoVM1nn2KwpynOrPBS.4nZB8TXr7lYcmZjTi0p2TMN0L1R3.N9POKazfSCNzRgSYZByUQ-- Message-ID: <467A0F3B.7000403@fenris.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:40:11 -0700 From: Elizabeth Young User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] What I (horrifically) wore References: <20070618.221926.3376.0.Cley@juno.com> <684bbeba0706182252w1e556499y5b6b08cf98b845f6@mail.gmail.com> <1182259168.4677d7e032993@webmail.netspace.net.au> In-Reply-To: <1182259168.4677d7e032993@webmail.netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c1bf985-ddfc-41a7-a6e6-086a266db4ac X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 467A102A.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 01:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO stilskin@netspace.net.au wrote: > Karolee Smiley wrote... > > Think about it... And what did you wear when you were young that > > horrified your parents? And what did your parents wear that > > horrified your grandparents? And so on... > > I lost Karolee's post, but .... Khaki parachute pants (stitched pleats at the waist, buttoned cuffs, baggy in between) with red top-stitching, a white cap-sleeved cropped top and (oh my god - should I admit this?) red leather 4" pumps, with my hair in a ponytail on the back of my head. Screaming bright lipstick and about a pound of eyeliner. Do I remember when during the 80s? Not really! liz young _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 02:24:41 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L6OefF006651 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:24:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L6ObCC016246 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:24:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L6MZND046076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:22:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L6MXKE057749; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:22:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L6MUOn057580 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:22:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from heather.jones@earthlink.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dSTFLGZN7z14htKrWMOsTPUh7/XP1oP8M33IhyJyzTjixw3ZdHs90CjVFDco/9Lz; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.3.238.93] (helo=[10.0.1.2]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I1G3k-0007Qz-U2 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:22:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <865ed4b37317ae5406a0ba5fa4d30887@ntw.net> References: <76000.31626.qm@web63511.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <865ed4b37317ae5406a0ba5fa4d30887@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4FBF08C0-E098-4669-BF34-64BA69A0EFCE@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Heather Rose Jones Subject: Re: [h-cost] volunteering Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:22:53 -0700 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: c920284270743d76aa459df8244ac33774bf435c0eb9d478eee15ddb228a014a5ade3e3c5ee6e6c6278ccba754cae2d5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.3.238.93 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: debfdb2c-8755-492d-abff-3438dfe902ed X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 467A19A5.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jun 20, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > > On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Sheridan Alder wrote: > >> The trendy thing nowadays is asking applicants to provide an >> example of a time that you had to deal with a difficult situation, >> customer, etc. Try to think of something, even if it seems pitiful >> at the time - like, "when my sister tries to pick a fight with me, >> I just walk away and refuse to fight". A safe response might be, >> "I asked my supervisor for advice to deal with the situation". >> >> > I so hate it when I am asked that question in interviews. Doesn't > everyone unconsciously forget those difficult situations because > they were so unpleasant? I have wracked my brain for a good answer > and have yet to remember one. It may be "trendy", but it's part of a particular, more extensive, interviewing system called "Behavioral-Based Interviewing" -- I got trained in it last year so I understand it a bit more from the other side. The idea is that anyone can give hypothetical answers to hypothetical questions ("How would you handle ...?") and it doesn't mean much in terms of what they'll actually do. But if you ask them for a concrete example of how they _have_ handled such-and-such a situation, then you've got a better chance of having something to evaluate. And the thing is, it's much more important that the answers be concrete and illustrative than that they be directly related to the job you're applying for. (Job-related is best, of course, and it probably helps to preface a non-job-related answer with something that identifies it as such.) Concrete means setting up a specific scenario or problem and illustrative means explaining what _you_ did in response and what the eventual outcome was. "Safe" responses aren't what the interviewers are looking for -- if the interviewer asks how you've handled a difficult situation, they want to hire someone who doesn't run from difficult situations and who learns from past situations to improve future responses. When I interviewed for my current job, I was coming off of a decade of grad school and applying for a job I had no specific formal training for. My interview responses involved a lot of drawing from school experiences (confrontations, managing others, planning and executing projects), hobbies (more project planning, interpersonal skills) and so forth (my examples of "a time I worked on a really effective team" included family camping trips). If you know you're going to be dealing with this style of interview (or think you might be), it can help to create a mental list of experiences to use as examples for a wide variety of scenarios. When I've participated as an interviewer using this system, the most common pitfalls were answers that gave a scenario but no resolution, or that wandered off from the topic and never really got to the point. Googling on "behavioral based interview" can track down much more helpful suggestions than my brief sketch here. Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 02:50:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L6oQ3W013431 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:50:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5L6oNUl026844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:50:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5L6ngMf048686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:49:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L6negI073459; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:49:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [216.148.227.153]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5L6na9N073398 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:49:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from attrembl@bovil.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-71-198-114-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net[71.198.114.173]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20070621064931m1300aagaue>; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:49:31 +0000 Message-ID: <467A1F06.8020303@bovil.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:47:34 -0700 From: Andrew Trembley User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: OT: job interviews (was Re: [h-cost] volunteering References: <76000.31626.qm@web63511.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <865ed4b37317ae5406a0ba5fa4d30887@ntw.net> In-Reply-To: <865ed4b37317ae5406a0ba5fa4d30887@ntw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 87289a2a-7dc7-4007-872c-003f93b8ace3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 467A1FB0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Sylvia Rognstad wrote: > On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Sheridan Alder wrote: >> The trendy thing nowadays is asking applicants to provide an example >> of a time that you had to deal with a difficult situation, customer, >> etc. Try to think of something, even if it seems pitiful at the time >> - like, "when my sister tries to pick a fight with me, I just walk >> away and refuse to fight". A safe response might be, "I asked my >> supervisor for advice to deal with the situation". >> > I so hate it when I am asked that question in interviews. Doesn't > everyone unconsciously forget those difficult situations because they > were so unpleasant? I have wracked my brain for a good answer and > have yet to remember one. I interview at work. I find it very valuable to see not how the interviewee responded to the problem in the example they give, but how they respond to the question in general. andy _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 09:48:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LDmjqX013306 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:48:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5LDmgAO001490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:48:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5LDksx7007232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:46:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LDknF5048970; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:46:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (jaguar.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LDkjgD048878 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:46:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:47:25 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] volunteering Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:47:25 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B020A7B42@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: <4678A4FA.50707@reddawn.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] volunteering Thread-Index: Acey7vcDwrITYAcOQH+Tsnmukp2ugwBGyv0g From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2007 13:47:25.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[B384B580:01C7B40A] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4267e981-f1ff-44da-ad95-900e6eec5295 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 467A81BA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi Dawn, If you want some information on 'interpreting', you can go to the National Association for Interpretation (www.interpnet.com) for publications, resources, conferences & training. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:55 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] volunteering I'm going Wednesday night to turn in my application to be a volunteer at a local historic site. They do 1860's. Nothing fancy, it's a farm house, but it looks like it could be fun. I've met some of the other ladies and they're nice. Wish me luck. I don't know if they're going to interview me tomorrow or=20 have me come back later, but I'm nervous I'll say something stupid and=20 they won't want me. I got turned away from another volunteer job at a=20 site once because I didn't have any experience 'interpreting'. I'm=20 hoping this one goes better. They seem a lot more low-key. Those of you who do volunteer work at sites, how did you get the 'job'? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 10:47:23 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LElMBx023047 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:47:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5LElJV5025729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:47:22 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5LEg2ND016436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LEg0h4094848; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:42:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web39513.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web39513.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.106.97]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5LEfuTH094681 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:41:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sarah_nucci@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 47931 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2007 14:41:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=AoQX67vSO30tZaZn/GJONtqdmr3Xk1kVJjMBc69TY1RI6Ih5u3ajJ1L+yEROCdv999IZFO5xtBy6Qm8o9kRSwttMIsywUBHl/rVbE2Z0aQMreJTxJJ8ROqqOdXznHx8kV/E4KlAO6SGampKxb9FAeLIKBLTYJh6179+MvqQ1wJo=; X-YMail-OSG: .pOPiRwVM1n_tHJ0M1Z14qILFLV4YbP_cw1nnD4o0CWGaTEQmwMRqWrdByYMGiLJikkCksAeInCZtICxQTfLniEd9wE7KMuCbq2UkMWAipYyIsoK1XZ47kxZ7gAZcQ-- Received: from [68.108.77.8] by web39513.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:41:51 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sarah Nucci Subject: Re: [h-cost] volunteering To: h-costume@indra.com In-Reply-To: <200706210421.l5L4LFCP089281@net.indra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <213167.46533.qm@web39513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: faae9665-ff75-4844-a1de-c2b0d4a59054 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 467A8F77.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I'm actually on staff to recruit, supervise, and train volunteers for a large museum. For the most part, if you don't have a criminal record and are fairly normal (read, not looking at womens parts) then we accept you. Frankly, if a museum needs volunteers they will find you a placement somewhere you will like. I second all the other advice - read up a bit on the site, treat it like a real interview, ask those questions - time commitments, dress code, training. Be honest - the worst thing it to say what they want to hear (or you think they want to hear) and then no be happy - then you won't want to stay and no one benefits. Overall treat it like a job - because the museum will depend on you like it's a real job - and have fun! Good luck, Sarah --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 14:15:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LIFJUQ017305 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:15:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5LIFGZ7028265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:15:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5LIEFkn055775 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:14:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LIE5eK004771; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:14:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.252]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5LIE2vA004644 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:14:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 91825 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2007 18:13:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=12HBEgq5QP6/hWrXxiNVW95R7HCCdMp8uoWS5cxj7IpzY4RFZjIx4lOdvTvQJEyY2Q4HDrpS5wo039qZONgTAVQ2r79zNNfjC2OkvdETiHePUXWmwl1s5nv5tCYwEkRpdZ8PUhFqKjI/X4jxXKBNf33K2Mr8AV8RMT9KwB1lDZ4=; X-YMail-OSG: wPLwYRMVM1mJAXiJBa56Pm.u4Hv4Luo1EBH_vmdsv1FSrLIi_v1jeaUuYG.HMKUYenGWU.FoBw-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:13:56 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: Elizabeth of Valois [was Your dream costume]] To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <028a01c7b383$9f8e4fa0$be00a8c0@compaqub> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <784019.91682.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 560190e3-ce4d-40ab-9a83-abed3e75b794 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467AC034.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That's why stuff like that is only worn by a queen with gold coming in from the Indies! It's a lot of gold wire as well as a lot of work. It must have weighed a ton, even in silk. Imagine in gold work! Wow. And of course, though someone else *might* have been able to afford it, who would dare to wear it, sumptuarily speaking. It does rather look like gold embroidery, doesn't. Wow again. Oh and that green/salmon? I'd have bought it. And it would probably still be in the trunk... but I could think about it. :-) MaggiRos --- E House wrote: > Wow, that really does look like goldwork, in the > closeup of the skirt > recently posted. Having done a wee bit of that > myself, the mind boggles at > the amount of time it would take to do that much of > it! Though it would > take even longer to embroider it in silks. > > Even though I'm not particularly interested in this > time period/style, I did > have to fight off a strong temptation to make this > dress a year or two ago, > because there was a large hunk of fabric for sale on > eBay that was almost > exactly like what's seen here--except it was pale > apple green/salmon instead > of gold/salmon. That was the only thing that > stopped me from at least > buying it and hoarding it until my taste in time > periods changed yet again. > > Still kind of wish I had... the thing was up for > sale for months and months. > Reading: [lunchtime at work] The Pirate Wars, Peter Earle [bedside] The Dresden Files, (all of them), Jim Butcher [about to finish] Strong Poison, Dorothy L. Sayers [CD in the car] The silver Chair, C.S. Lewis Just finished: The Invention of Hugo Cabret, Brian Selznick ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 14:22:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LIMgOr018714 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:22:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5LIMdqO012597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:22:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5LILtQ3057118 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:21:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LILqHY012124; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:21:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5LILlpB011948 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:21:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 58451 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jun 2007 18:21:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TPWB1QbmproKPhhgwdGbIE42w8+/O0TksoOF7u+FYtgKjhYxHM03HDiNdSgw2VXUKGNCk247DKe7lH2sUL6yeD6WRCzSYj9R1yMTQlgkFILWTugYWwwyJPnZzpN6TzQnFaTPuxtsNQLBjDKKADW/zHepxg5Vu6/QRmYeqatqciw=; X-YMail-OSG: iguOMKAVM1m._5gQxZAZB7ijFPtRMWZmuZ3k7Xtr6mYVWw9T.J.CARuPZG26amiCrg-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:21:42 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:21:42 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] volunteering To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <4FBF08C0-E098-4669-BF34-64BA69A0EFCE@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <40107.57689.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5912ac3a-999a-4665-b6bd-effb67daff3c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467AC1EF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Sayers [CD in the car] The silver Chair, C.S. Lewis Just finished: The Invention of Hugo Cabret, Brian Selznick ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 15:32:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LJVuqB026289 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:31:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5LJVr1l006234 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:31:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5LJUkRp069874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:30:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LJUgLw078971; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:30:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LDNWoq030611 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 07:23:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net (rmailcenter73.comcast.net?[204.127.197.155](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070621132327m120075bcue>; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:23:27 +0000 Received: from [140.142.235.230] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:23:26 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: volunteering Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:23:26 +0000 Message-Id: <062120071323.19097.467A7BCE0005BB3500004A9922073007930809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 935e2061-0dc7-4ae4-bcbc-e557efc534a7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 467AD229.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Fashion citation to volunteers? That is downright funny! I just about spewed my drink on the screen laughing... The idea for merit awards is a much better idea.. Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Cin > >I'm going Wednesday night to turn in my application to be a volunteer at > >a local historic site. They do 1860's. Nothing fancy, it's a farm house, > >but it looks like it could be fun. I've met some of the other ladies and > >they're nice. > > >Those of you who do volunteer work at sites, how did you get the 'job'? > > Hey, Dawn > I just started showing up. Every month. (That's when the site did > living history: just once a month.) Pretty soon I was on the events > planning committee, the next year head of another committee, another > year later I was on the board, then president. > Unless it's Sturbridge or Billburg (er, Williamsburg) most sites dont > say "no, thank-you". > > That said, we had our own problems, like the park ranger we had for a > few years who was an ex-LA cop. She wanted to issue citations (like > traffic citations, not like merit badges) to volunteers who, in the > ranger's opinion, didnt measure up, usually in some trivial way. I > remember the fashion violation she tried to issue... > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 15:33:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LJXT4E026379 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:33:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5LJXQoj006955 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:33:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5LJWGaW070083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:32:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LJWBEF080558; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:32:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail.muc.edu (webmail.muc.edu [199.18.39.150]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LE9Mph066568 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:09:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from RICKARPA@muc.edu) Received: from lynx.campus.muc.prv ([172.16.100.248]) by webmail.muc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:10:02 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] volunteering Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: <18037059078CE14C97E74A4F59DD7B1B020A7B4D@lynx.campus.muc.prv> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] volunteering Thread-Index: AcezpSni6lJKufwTTJyRwqbAf59eHQAaHmCA From: "Rickard, Patty " To: "Historical Costume" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jun 2007 14:10:02.0992 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC7A3700:01C7B40D] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 95cd9500-e6dd-4509-83e0-62ebdeea8bce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467AD286.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In this context, it's a method of connecting people (visitors to a site) with the resource (the site) - the interpreter being the bridge. Patty -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Sylvia Rognstad Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:37 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] volunteering What does interpreting mean? On Jun 20, 2007, at 8:19 AM, Joan Jurancich wrote: > At 08:54 PM 6/19/2007, you wrote: >> I'm going Wednesday night to turn in my application to be a volunteer >> at a local historic site. They do 1860's. Nothing fancy, it's a farm=20 >> house, but it looks like it could be fun. I've met some of the other=20 >> ladies and they're nice. >> >> Wish me luck. I don't know if they're going to interview me tomorrow=20 >> or have me come back later, but I'm nervous I'll say something stupid >> and they won't want me. I got turned away from another volunteer job=20 >> at a site once because I didn't have any experience 'interpreting'.=20 >> I'm hoping this one goes better. They seem a lot more low-key. >> >> Those of you who do volunteer work at sites, how did you get the=20 >> 'job'? >> >> Dawn > > Out here in Sacramento, I am a long-time docent at Sutter's Fort. We=20 > have training classes for new docents, so you are not expected to know > a great deal about the Fort when you begin. The interview to be=20 > accepted as a docent trainee is to make certain that you know what=20 > function of a docent is (you need to like interacting with visitors)=20 > and to make certain you do not have unrealistic ideas of what you can=20 > do. Most places are in need of volunteers, so I am surprised that any > place turns down people without giving them a chance to learn how to=20 > interpret to the public. Interpretation is something than one learns, > primarily by doing (being a chatterbox is not a handicap ;-) ). > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 21 19:08:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LN81SS002537 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:08:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5LN7w5k026442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:08:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5LN7TC0006490 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:07:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LN7PDN071603; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:07:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S1.cableone.net (s1.cableone.net [24.116.0.227]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5LN7Mi6071507 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 17:07:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 112640647 for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:07:16 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <062120071323.19097.467A7BCE0005BB3500004A9922073007930809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:07:01 -0500 Message-ID: <016101c7b458$e1c4eed0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <062120071323.19097.467A7BCE0005BB3500004A9922073007930809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> Thread-Index: Ace0PEAca0kUjJaASwCZapT1csTpEgAHH4Og X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 78, in=104, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fashion citation X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff22a614-f17e-45d0-b8f6-39209bdb875d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 467B04CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, how I have longed to issue citations or fines to docents wearing zippers on Victorian clothing, or polyester doubleknits. . .but I restrain myself. Kim -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 8:23 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] re: volunteering Fashion citation to volunteers? That is downright funny! I just about spewed my drink on the screen laughing... The idea for merit awards is a much better idea.. Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: Cin > >I'm going Wednesday night to turn in my application to be a volunteer > >at a local historic site. They do 1860's. Nothing fancy, it's a farm > >house, but it looks like it could be fun. I've met some of the other > >ladies and they're nice. > > >Those of you who do volunteer work at sites, how did you get the 'job'? > > Hey, Dawn > I just started showing up. Every month. (That's when the site did > living history: just once a month.) Pretty soon I was on the events > planning committee, the next year head of another committee, another > year later I was on the board, then president. > Unless it's Sturbridge or Billburg (er, Williamsburg) most sites dont > say "no, thank-you". > > That said, we had our own problems, like the park ranger we had for a > few years who was an ex-LA cop. She wanted to issue citations (like > traffic citations, not like merit badges) to volunteers who, in the > ranger's opinion, didnt measure up, usually in some trivial way. I > remember the fashion violation she tried to issue... > --cin > Cynthia Barnes > CinBarnes@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 22 18:36:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MMaf5t005872 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:36:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5MMacKA005723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:36:41 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5MMZwxm021059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:35:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MMZueH056919; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:35:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MMZpiE056677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:35:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l5MMZjMO053847 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:35:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from 76.185.38.68 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:35:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <1367.76.185.38.68.1182551745.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: <1182547000.467c3c385688f@webmail01.unl.edu> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070622140652.028a71d0@uci.edu> <1182547000.467c3c385688f@webmail01.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:35:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of List From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3405546a-021e-49c0-bd64-98f39dc64b81 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 467C4EF6.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <642072.54455.qm@web32209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33332f49-79d9-4903-9af2-6ad9e97fd9a3 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 467C57B4.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 22 19:20:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MNKnAm007254 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:20:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5MNKkKF032546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:20:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5MKZTG2002024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:35:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MKZKCi055329; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:35:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MKZHHr055296 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:35:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so634901pyi for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:35:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=SRGnGFd+5w32WkqZ2TEJGJGVDKI7B91rwfJM+2RDACL9t5M4M0VNhNssLdhXI2CfZvp3G1C+NfVI6jT+3Vclaj3V161HtegyyrOmlYsR19u2KetdgWME6vLkNmhlPWxkiDDJ1WZt1t1bInD2ATS4zF6698FttmTINb8iQ6dGvGM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HffwHCeG6khHwglmp/yq/zHIXkModbWsMJkyPoIfX3iJ/WMRMgjj8PNQUwJF/EoFpEw18KcRHgo3wsUTvOlwCsXexTt0ziBzJvVgfAmcnL9FgFfnfPG3v38/nkKNhV+m4IQqZiDJbJNubsLpbhibVbKEgNldOCYbke1+3oQnMRY= Received: by 10.64.184.16 with SMTP id h16mr6340759qbf.1182544516515; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.75.10 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:35:16 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Hellooooo? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: de4d71f5-128c-49dd-8c40-8afa6c6604b5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467C594E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO It's been 24 hours since I last heard from h-costume. Are you out there? What's going on in your part of the world to keep you off the computer? LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 22 19:51:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MNmiKR008186 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:48:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5MNmg9Z009139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:48:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5ML7unl006187 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:07:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ML7raf081024; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:07:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ML7nPF080886 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:07:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id OAA21094 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:07:44 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070622140652.028a71d0@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:07:43 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Use of List X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2a83c874-9e7d-40c1-88d9-424cbfcb61b3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467C5FDA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO New member tot he list and I want to know if it is possible to see archives fo the previous posts and how I do that. Thank you. Beverly _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 22 19:54:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MNmiKV008186 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:54:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5MNmg9d009139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:54:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5MKmdmQ003510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:48:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MKmciD065650; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:48:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MKmYEZ065521 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:48:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDD8D52BE for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:48:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <467C35B4.9080503@reddawn.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:48:52 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hellooooo? References: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4668934b-87f0-4a51-a44c-ff7cad0bc430 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467C5FDA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Lynn Downward wrote: > It's been 24 hours since I last heard from h-costume. Are you out there? > > What's going on in your part of the world to keep you off the computer? I'm trying to get a renaissance gown finished for this weekend. In the middle of hand sewing a ton of trim on the multi-part sleeves. I think it's going to be a late night. Last night I was at Joann's cleaning up on their big summer clearance sale. I scored an almost 3 yd length of sea green silk at 75% off. That's the third "remnant" in the same colour I've found this year, meaning I now have enough to do something serious like a gown, or line a coat. Tonight I'm going to stock up on interfacing at half price, and a few other things. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 22 19:53:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MNmiKT008186 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:51:22 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5MNmg9b009139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:51:23 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5MLGm6p008888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:16:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MLGk5H089406; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:16:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from webmail01.unl.edu (webmail01.unl.edu [129.93.1.35]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MLGggw089334 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:16:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from 00217146@bigred.unl.edu) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by webmail01.unl.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id l5MLGe428335 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:16:40 -0500 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of List Message-ID: <1182547000.467c3c385688f@webmail01.unl.edu> Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:16:40 -0500 (CDT) From: 00217146@bigred.unl.edu References: <6.2.5.6.2.20070622140652.028a71d0@uci.edu> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070622140652.028a71d0@uci.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a0b0348d-24bd-42ca-b8f8-fc63b434e30c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467C5FDA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There are two sets of archives that I'm aware of: http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/ for more recent posts, and http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/Fashion/ for older posts, though it doesn't seem to be working right now at this moment. Emma > New member tot he list and I want to know if it is possible to see > archives fo the previous posts and how I do that. Thank you. > > Beverly > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > http://anvil.unl.edu/emma http://HelixHandworks.etsy.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 22 19:55:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MNmiKZ008186 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:55:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5MNmg9h009139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:55:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5MLW0Qh013422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:32:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MLVwjP003584; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:31:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.224]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MLVi8t003339 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:31:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id x7so1041945nzc for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:31:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HAyfFdQJI4rnWd7kdMBhKyyrCpC1Q6SxatthJCaU+fllXCxH2GHbx0Cq5SUQLpfoa/dYrw0iS1uY81Golvj18GJC/vD7tLFUWpU9/IWTqyR42ZJfRIgrObHzazxByIiVSJmPiGHuTWZHpQe3e8rCqS8N1dNgMx6/WxFhevtHwo4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jMUvZQ4PeU+0qQnC1oPnAKrKHhVWsI6hDaqIiMEa14GQAehhzUDmJWMpZ3kg4xTLYxjGaXpfEKlrGBHk1tUnu+7svjHvZ2DWxm0NO7PmlXGrxRXnBrvJ86DDXlGqPZfi6FLTGE9p8R7k/21fm2hg3sY5ex+24led0b2p1TCHDLM= Received: by 10.142.72.21 with SMTP id u21mr52966wfa.1182547915468; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:31:55 -0700 From: Cin To: h-cost MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] re: volunteering X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a82dbd8-32df-463a-b6dc-a6e07c692728 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467C5FDA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO >> That said, we had our own problems, like the park ranger we had for a >> few years who was an ex-LA cop. She wanted to issue citations (like >> traffic citations, not like merit badges) to volunteers who, in the >> ranger's opinion, didnt measure up, usually in some trivial way. I >> remember the fashion violation she tried to issue... >Fashion citation to volunteers? That is downright funny! I just about spewed my >drink on the screen laughing... >The idea for merit awards is a much better idea.. >Gia Looking back, I guess it is laughable. At the time I was the Volunteer Association President caught between the senior park ranger (who could tell us to get out) and the 100-ish volunteers. Those volunteers ought to have been told "thank-you, your costume/interpretation/display has improved so much" and not "that hat is a misdemeanor offense". --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 22 19:55:24 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MNmiKX008186 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:55:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5MNmg9f009139 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:55:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5ML8Bv9006268 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:08:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ML88pV081230; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:08:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5ML84fa081168 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:08:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A84D149002D0; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:59:57 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hellooooo? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hey, Lynn, We're doing bad movie night tonight. "Revenge of the Cheerleaders" Sharon C. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 1:49 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hellooooo? Lynn Downward wrote: > It's been 24 hours since I last heard from h-costume. Are you out there? > > What's going on in your part of the world to keep you off the computer? I'm trying to get a renaissance gown finished for this weekend. In the middle of hand sewing a ton of trim on the multi-part sleeves. I think it's going to be a late night. Last night I was at Joann's cleaning up on their big summer clearance sale. I scored an almost 3 yd length of sea green silk at 75% off. That's the third "remnant" in the same colour I've found this year, meaning I now have enough to do something serious like a gown, or line a coat. Tonight I'm going to stock up on interfacing at half price, and a few other things. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 22 20:48:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5N0mmaQ010126 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:48:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5N0mkwS026856 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:48:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5MMGa9j018786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:16:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MMGXmX041535; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:16:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.58]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5MMGUJW041394 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:16:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5MMGKgT004228 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 18:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hellooooo? 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LynnD _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 23 07:27:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NBR9b3005084 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:27:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5NBR6iB005482 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:27:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5NBQOWX011674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:26:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NBQIsi063326; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:26:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NBQEdW063262 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:26:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 212.139.67.162 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=dH5S5rLw_E-D46vco0AA:9 a=4NlwKNZy3wHDqo6480tg2JxUgV4A:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnpUACagfEbUi0OiR2dsb2JhbACBSoVhh3MBAT8B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,454,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="3544512" Received: from 212-139-67-162.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([212.139.67.162]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2007 12:25:19 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070623122010.027897a0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:25:57 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: References: <231559.12982.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Big Four doll pattern? X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a8dee16-eb3b-4b6f-8ffc-5c4dd2dee9cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467D038B.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am making a "sorta" Victorian wedding dress for my daughter-in-law-elect, and would love to make a soft, small doll in a copy of the dress. Can anyone recommend a "Big Four" type pattern (easy and quick are the important words) that I can buy here in the U.K. I do not have the time or inclination to try and buy from the U.S., which is why I need a pattern available in the U.K. I do not need a pattern for the dress, as I am making it up as I go along - the real one I mean! Or even an online pattern would be good. It is .........years since I made a Raggedy Anne doll, and that pattern is nowhere near suitable. TIA Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 23 08:06:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NC6piO009425 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:06:51 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5NC6mad026294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:06:52 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5NC6Qno017028 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:06:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NC6PEf083986; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:06:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com (imo-m26.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.7]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NC6McD083920 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:06:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chindora@aol.com) Received: from Chindora@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.cd7.13022768 (52862) for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail-de06 (webmail-de06.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.27]) by cia-m05.mx.aol.com (v117.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAM056-ce7e467d0cb7346; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:06:15 -0400 References: <231559.12982.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070623122010.027897a0@suziclarke.co.uk> To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big Four doll pattern? 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Suzi, Vogue has a cute 18" soft doll pattern 8336 named Sarah.? I have not made this, so have no clue how it works up, but it looks interesting enough to try if I had the time.? Scoff.? Scoff.? Good luck with all. ~Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: Suzi Clarke To: Historical Costume Sent: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 7:25 am Subject: [h-cost] Big Four doll pattern? I am making a "sorta" Victorian wedding dress for my daughter-in-law-elect, and would love to make a soft, small doll in a copy of the dress. Can anyone recommend a "Big Four" type pattern (easy and quick are the important words) that I can buy here in the U.K. I do not have the time or inclination to try and buy from the U.S., which is why I need a pattern available in the U.K. I do not need a pattern for the dress, as I am making it up as I go along - the real one I mean!? ? Or even an online pattern would be good. It is .........years since I made a Raggedy Anne doll, and that pattern is nowhere near suitable.? ? TIA? ? Suzi? ? _______________________________________________? h-costume mailing list? h-costume@mail.indra.com? http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 23 08:45:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NCjs4B013149 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:45:54 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5NCjptH019220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:45:55 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5NCj9q5022998 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:45:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NCj7Xd004917; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:45:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NCj2Ef004806 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 06:45:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.47.183.41 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=QDhk7YPGZI0qtWOuBMcA:9 a=tZR5w6jp80VAQI1t4nfACY2jED0A:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnpUAOayfEZQL7cpR2dsb2JhbACBSoVhh3MBAT8B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,454,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="3552488" Received: from 80-47-183-41.lond-th.dynamic.dial.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.47.183.41]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2007 13:44:06 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070623134336.02797da0@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:44:55 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Big Four doll pattern? In-Reply-To: <8C983A6089DFB6B-C98-4980@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> References: <231559.12982.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070623122010.027897a0@suziclarke.co.uk> <8C983A6089DFB6B-C98-4980@webmail-de06.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1f65a3c-1ebd-4534-8072-02c46df58d23 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 467D1600.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 13:06 23/06/2007, you wrote: > Suzi, > >Vogue has a cute 18" soft doll pattern 8336 named Sarah.? I have not >made this, so have no clue how it works up, but it looks interesting >enough to try if I had the time.? Scoff.? Scoff.? > >Good luck with all. > >~Kimberley Thanks - she's cute. I never thought to look on-line - duh!! McCalls do a "Sophie" which is quite pretty too. I'd still like to know if anyone has used either of the patterns though. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 23 11:57:19 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NFvGoo032052 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:57:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5NFvErH031473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:57:17 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5NFuiUZ048300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:56:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NFuePP018119; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:56:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NFuaqx018077 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:56:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12869 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:00:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:00:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Use of List In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070622140652.028a71d0@uci.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: caf951da-9b4d-4f61-9efb-cebaa2c9ea1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467D42DA.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Beverly Azizi wrote: > New member tot he list and I want to know if it is possible to see > archives fo the previous posts and how I do that. Thank you. Older archives are saved at Eric Praetzel's site, in chunks by month, at http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/~fashion/archives/ . There's a rudimentary and quirky search function that takes a little getting used to. The main search function looks only at author and subject lines; use the link to the "old" search function if you need more detail. It often turns up far too many results, so try searching one year's worth at a time if you're looking for a specific topic. To find more recent individual posts, try http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.studies.history.costume (since late June) or http://www.mail-archive.com/h-costume@mail.indra.com/index.html#03702 (since about the same time). I haven't played around much with those sites so don't know how good the search functions are. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 23 17:35:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NLZ2Ea026985 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:35:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5NLYxoC028983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:35:02 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5NLYSKh085029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:34:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NLYLQh096670; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:34:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NLYIuC096622 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:34:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.4]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JK300KU4YL0UR40@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.196] (Forwarded-For: 4.250.57.156, [10.240.3.196]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:34:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:34:12 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Hellooooo? In-reply-to: <000001c7b51a$f3652de0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> <000001c7b51a$f3652de0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7be74ac0-1ec9-4bcd-8523-f17236c3bc6e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 467D9203.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You gently wrap the velvet in a clean bed sheet, place it in a acid free box, ... And send it to meeee!!!!! ....... hehehehehehe Katheryne who is trying to recover from the first week of (paid) work in over 2 years of unemployment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Byrne > > B) the arrival of 10 yards of iridescent red silk velvet - Whoo > Hoo! Now what do I do?! > > Jenn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 23 18:52:51 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NMqoWv029226 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:52:50 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5NMqmrd011795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:52:51 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5NMq4b3094576 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NMq2hU039157; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:52:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NMpxOX039104 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:52:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from purplkat@optonline.net) Received: from optonline.net (mstr4a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.4]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JK400FAB26ISUV0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.240.3.196] (Forwarded-For: 4.250.57.156, [10.240.3.196]) by mstr4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:51:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:51:54 +0000 (GMT) From: purplkat@optonline.net Subject: Re: [h-cost] volunteering In-reply-to: <4FBF08C0-E098-4669-BF34-64BA69A0EFCE@earthlink.net> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <76000.31626.qm@web63511.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <865ed4b37317ae5406a0ba5fa4d30887@ntw.net> <4FBF08C0-E098-4669-BF34-64BA69A0EFCE@earthlink.net> X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff1215ad-1714-46e5-bf68-cb236a817dbd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 467DA440.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! I just got a job after coming off of 2 years of unemployment and have ALWAYS hated that question. Now I can be better prepared for it if/when it comes up in another interview. Katheryne who hopes her next interview will be when she retires from this job that I JUST got!! ----- Original Message ----- > > It may be "trendy", but it's part of a particular, more > extensive, interviewing system called "Behavioral-Based Interviewing" -- I > got trained in it last year so I understand it a bit more from the > other side. > If you know you're going to be dealing with this style of > interview (or think you might be), it can help to create a mental list of > experiences to use as examples for a wide variety of scenarios. > When I've participated as an interviewer using this system, the most > common pitfalls were answers that gave a scenario but no > resolution, or that wandered off from the topic and never really got to the > point. Googling on "behavioral based interview" can track down > much more helpful suggestions than my brief sketch here. > > Heather _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 23 19:45:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NNix4C030875 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:44:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5NNiuw0025369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:44:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5NNiRIh098939 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:44:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NNiP7q062521; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:44:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5NNiJHJ062474 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:44:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-244-220-20.tpgi.com.au [220.244.220.20]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l5NNiHSO031901 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:44:18 +1000 Message-ID: <001501c7b654$e3a99b80$14dcf4dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:43:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] free treadle machine avaliable in the UK X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b466561f-a98a-4f66-abef-a9821a681089 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467DB078.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO somebody on another list passed this message on from a sewing machine collector's email list http://www.ismacs.net/digest.html (sorry, I don't know where the original message might be archived) and knowing there are several UK based costumers on this list so I'm passing it on in case anyone is interested. Subject: Digest of June 12 2007 - From: D HOLDSWORTH Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:03:26 +0100 (BST) X-Message-Number: 3 Further to my post of 12th June - concerning my offer of my late mother's Jones Treadle sewing machine marked "Medium CS" - dated 1921. I regret that there has been no response at all from the U.K -( from where it will need to be collected free of charge.) This causes me some concern as I shall need to dispose of it soon - and I do not want to see such a well kept, much cherished, machine scrapped! I enclose details again - in case they may have been missed by a UK interested party on the previous occasion. The machine was my mother's wedding present in 1921. It has the serial number 92129. It is in full working order and is in good condition as it has been a family heirloom. Hoping that there is still a chance that the machine will find a good home? Regards Don Holdsworth _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 24 07:54:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5OBsjuC022428 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:54:45 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5OBsgi9026481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:54:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5OBs92o079099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:54:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5OBs4HR074846; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:54:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from alnrmhc14.comcast.net (alnrmhc14.comcast.net [206.18.177.54]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5OBJUHK056002 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 05:19:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from goofy4@comcast.net) Message-Id: <200706241119.l5OBJUHK056002@net.indra.com> Received: from stuckis.comcast.net (c-71-207-16-152.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[71.207.16.152]) by comcast.net (alnrmhc14) with SMTP id <20070624111924b14001ijgke>; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:19:24 +0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 07:19:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume From: Dianne & Greg Stucki Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Hellooooo? In-Reply-To: References: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> <000001c7b51a$f3652de0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cf1bd07a-c6cf-4f3c-b003-0e24b47f87b8 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467E5B82.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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I cannot = seem to actually register. =20 To register, go to: http://images.vam.ac.uk/indexplus/page/registration.html For usage information on the high res images, go to: http://images.vam.ac.uk/indexplus/page/T%26C+High+Resolution+Images.html Ooooooohh boy am I ever going to make use if this if I can ever make use = of it! -E House _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 24 20:01:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P01WVY020821 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:01:32 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5P01UUE017779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:01:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5P00s2e072869 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:00:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P00pYo066865; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P00lJc066788 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:00:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5P00bVa025344 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> <000001c7b51a$f3652de0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Subject: RE: RE: [h-cost] Hellooooo? Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:00:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c7b6bb$d956ea40$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace13qIUOYQ1a93vSwK5uSw1WHrO/AA2lJog X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c95ba696-bbf9-41a9-8a64-2350782f3f64 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467F05DA.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ha! You'll have to wrestle my daughter for it! I making Cranach's Mary Magdalene for her to wear to our local Renn Faire. (Thanks to Naergi for posting such a great copy of this painting (here: http://www.naergilien.info/Cranach/magdalenafull.jpg.) It has been a huge help to me.) It was giving me a headache but then a light bulb went on and all is well.....for the moment. Many congrats your job, Katheryne! Hang in there! Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of purplkat@optonline.net Sent: June 23, 2007 5:34 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: RE: [h-cost] Hellooooo? You gently wrap the velvet in a clean bed sheet, place it in a acid free box, ... And send it to meeee!!!!! ....... hehehehehehe Katheryne who is trying to recover from the first week of (paid) work in over 2 years of unemployment. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer Byrne > > B) the arrival of 10 yards of iridescent red silk velvet - Whoo > Hoo! Now what do I do?! > > Jenn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sun Jun 24 22:19:34 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P2JWOt024959 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:19:33 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5P2JT1q022756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:19:33 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5P2Itub091600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:18:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P2IpmE034239; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P2ImvK034205 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:18:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1401574wxc for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:18:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GgJMGbAV77o55Tr6vLM3gdkbDIPrTebsZIkRYezvcxKyThEB0TCJt0IYgqKXe1kfXAc+tQkQVzxIn70H/eKjqH/GCO19jnP54Bzsllc1VsTkLwD5XaMpbLtse4YU/qHC8bY+V1rGw0e4gI0FqTFTsHWY87hGcXm0X30+A2GO3ME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=nDOdZSo9kjeIpy/5bwsrTc/NQcyr7jEpI6f4bUBuZFHONJtdI/6jBO8ytBZ9T67EA6pcKzL9ImaSTLAJ5LF87JitPw1o2tfP/5btp9Q2iFrupTSYUjWZAF5gVdOznZb4M6PPitDYfRG/N1vdfkMW5Pd3Zpmi3qzW7au2wS2PTVE= Received: by 10.70.9.4 with SMTP id 4mr8536197wxi.1182737928010; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 19:18:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190706241918g3cb1605bw432c08979f415dea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:18:47 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: "Historic Costume List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - headrail X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5d7497bc-07c0-4bc8-b32a-e61a9407e396 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 467F2631.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Has anyone else tried the headrail arrangement described in the "Tudor Tailor" (p. 144)? I've got my yard of linen but can't make it quite "go" - the back bunches up and I have no idea where the long ends of the triangle can tuck under. Am I working with too thick of a fabric (~5 oz. linen, dress rather than handkerchief weight) or do I just need to keep working on it? Thanks in advance, Allison T. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 00:00:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P4006t028282 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:00:00 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5P3xvsW003902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:00:00 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5P3tPiJ004181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:55:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P3tKu9079534; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P3tHXs079479 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:55:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC17ED562F for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:55:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <467F3CB3.5090803@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:55:31 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hellooooo? References: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> <000001c7b51a$f3652de0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <000101c7b6bb$d956ea40$367ee648@ByrneComputer> In-Reply-To: <000101c7b6bb$d956ea40$367ee648@ByrneComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1d37835e-dc5e-417c-bef4-3762ca183b43 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 467F3DBD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Jennifer Byrne wrote: > Ha! You'll have to wrestle my daughter for it! I making Cranach's Mary > Magdalene for her to wear to our local Renn Faire. I would love to see a picture of that when it is finished, be sure you post photos! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 00:14:11 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P4EAQS028746 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:14:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5P4E7MC018059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:14:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5P4DYCo007057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:13:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P4DYZW088486; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:13:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-102.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.102]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P4DUsg088431 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:13:32 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07E8D561B for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:13:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <467F40F9.8010309@reddawn.net> Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:13:45 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - headrail References: <7d21ac190706241918g3cb1605bw432c08979f415dea@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190706241918g3cb1605bw432c08979f415dea@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e29a9f4-6484-41e5-8286-93a1d70d28cd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467F410F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A. Thurman wrote: > Has anyone else tried the headrail arrangement described in the "Tudor > Tailor" (p. 144)? I've got my yard of linen but can't make it quite > "go" - the back bunches up and I have no idea where the long ends of > the triangle can tuck under. > You have the square on your head with the fold pinned at your forehead... The short end of the triangle at the back of your neck gets folded up under the part that drapes over the top of your head. At this point you have a trapezoid \___/ on your head. The long ends on each side get crossed in the back and wrapped around to the front of your head where they tie. Tuck the ends under the part you wrapped around your head, at about your temples. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 00:50:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P4omkM029915 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:50:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5P4oifG027446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:50:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5P4oE15012364 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:50:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P4oAJo005771; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:50:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.246]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5P4o7KX005602 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:50:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 4970 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2007 04:50:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XG1dzV6hnwMUi35kWqytK0PlChsZa6zVk19wnYYdUtkmVr4Nsl18I/XSpD2Sjj0LCQ35JGRpSFygD+GhgA3oCXC0bP6+eu4Sz11rU4ex2cWrshhqn8IxJAuvAspKVvsH78h/MGkAagVTFheBOatwQ6PZOT6JeEp9VOfB+BJB/r4= ; Message-ID: <20070625045001.4968.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hMAFhrgVM1k7WjhIMXr7Wr47mMnCtAO6CisHnpY51l69wKBTe7HRDXO1MqucPk7MascQG1BQJ_xcPis.opVxO8zYy9NSa7a.gFy33WekKLM_sskJ.uA- Received: from [76.81.2.253] by web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:50:01 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - headrail To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <7d21ac190706241918g3cb1605bw432c08979f415dea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9445059-9923-4a88-8850-8953d23da2ff X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467F49A4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 00:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Here are the photos someone posted from the workshop in Vallejo, CA. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41633059@N00/sets/72157594583565881/show/ or http://tinyurl.com/253x2u The head wrap is somewhere in the sequence. MaggiRos --- "A. Thurman" wrote: > Has anyone else tried the headrail arrangement > described in the "Tudor > Tailor" (p. 144)? I've got my yard of linen but > can't make it quite > "go" - ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 01:57:01 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P5uxKA001161 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:56:59 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5P5uugK012585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:56:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5P5uLnO021265 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:56:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5P5uGsb035163; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:56:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.133]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5P5uDrx035105 for ; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:56:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12890 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2007 05:56:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xIBdAWHlrtArNYXOXqpd6RcVEKq1mJMqMImuRhHcRgikxcRmrAqRIzNDNYZvWTWtq4oCzC7TsTNcesN8BuRu2KcnZ6sQGwEasaVKTfTxCKtrgJTON6v9pCzL+MCHET0PqiM20yOik7uSoGSEU2rMaxiha2HuVqEyCQV28bCG9Vk=; X-YMail-OSG: jxTB7CcVM1kCwB.V2WTapYxEMY9Gnbj3g4wpzG08DFFZql9lWwZUDc5xkiA14kEabql.GOytWAF3lvrOr0TNiB3RCkoAwAlH2CtUMa037w0GWcrdUGH0zYYllo0z1w-- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:56:08 PDT Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - headrail To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <20070625045001.4968.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <509070.12321.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6e3fcfdf-8502-4f06-985a-4bf50e84349b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467F5928.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 01:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ah, you beat me to the punch. Those happen to be my photos. It may get a little confusing, as the ladies showed two different ways of wrapping with the yard cloth. They also said, do whatever works for you, as there is no one right way to do this. Kimiko --- MaggiRos wrote: > Here are the photos someone posted from the workshop > in Vallejo, CA. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41633059@N00/sets/72157594583565881/show/ > or > http://tinyurl.com/253x2u > > The head wrap is somewhere in the sequence. > > MaggiRos ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 09:47:26 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PDl9CH021227 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:47:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5PDl4Gn031885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:47:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5PDkLM1083289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:46:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PDkEs3085641; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:46:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.233]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PDkABx085532 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:46:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.21]) by bay0-omc3-s33.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:46:05 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:46:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV11.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:46:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "Historical Costume" References: <509070.12321.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - headrail Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:44:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 06:44:16 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2007 13:46:05.0665 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D6A8510:01C7B72F] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 663fecc3-f728-4bdc-9f1f-909aa81aa450 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 467FC759.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO That is a tremendous set of photos! Thanks so much....wish we had done = the workshop in Phoenix....we just got the speech part....it was still = great though! Sg ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kimiko Small=20 To: Historical Costume=20 Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - headrail Ah, you beat me to the punch. Those happen to be my photos. It may get a little confusing, as the ladies showed two different ways of wrapping with the yard cloth. They also said, do whatever works for you, as there is no one right way to do this. Kimiko --- MaggiRos > wrote: > Here are the photos someone posted from the workshop > in Vallejo, CA. > = http://www.flickr.com/photos/41633059@N00/sets/72157594583565881/show/ > or=20 > http://tinyurl.com/253x2u >=20 > The head wrap is somewhere in the sequence. >=20 > MaggiRos =20 = _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com = http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 11:55:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PFtfYB003922 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:55:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5PFtcnt014807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:55:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5PFskQc005479 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:54:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PFsgJN098734; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:54:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5PFsdEf098575 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:54:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 12061 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jun 2007 15:54:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=V5PDrazlpuM5Xvta8riLB4N1SEn0cRERZmK3mPQ4RrLz1vKmaKyg+4I//p0NboWt/5YdiVIDSS55zrNBFFTv7RKT41Bv3RW2n9FCsT03XpZ27/egbBHausvavWJbPoSa1x5IsAz4EvwJUGwl91tmvcmqjvtc9h1jCzu/nIhpIxQ=; X-YMail-OSG: CLitKFMVM1lN29RRc96NMp0_iJc2ahAOtdY.pDO6QVFlrmRxK7NlOCQzRibpy2JGcW.s_ToH6w-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:54:33 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 08:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - headrail To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <509070.12321.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <764833.11557.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f4a11c4-1b6d-47ed-8b4f-0b4acaae59ce X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 467FE57A.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh gosh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to steal your thunder, and I even knew it was your "gallery". I was just so excited! I guess the right way is whatever makes it stay on your head! Remember, too, she said that half the secret is in how you put up your hair to begin with. MaggiRos --- Kimiko Small wrote: > Ah, you beat me to the punch. Those happen to be my > photos. It may get a little confusing, as the ladies > showed two different ways of wrapping with the yard > cloth. They also said, do whatever works for you, as > there is no one right way to do this. > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 15:33:36 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PJXVTG010261 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:33:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5PJXTXY007593 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:33:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5PJWinJ052800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:32:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PJWeU3003734; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:32:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PJWZpM003543 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:32:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id MAA07995 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:32:29 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070625122416.025d8c10@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:32:24 -0700 To: h-costume@mail.indra.com From: Beverly Azizi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] Current Project X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8af76410-c6c9-47a1-b502-e126bfed7f1c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46801889.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I am working on my first attempts at civil war era and at corsetry. I am using a pattern from one of the big 4 with some of my own engineering. I mean bones and a busk and layers geesh.. but it is coming together. Then I realized I can't finish it until I have a chemise to wear under it. But I am starting to see the semblance of a garment so there is hope. I have some blue and green plaid silk kind of a taffeta but not very stiff that I was going to use for the gown. That should be ok for a civil war I think. I don't really know too much about that era but I an going to costume college in August and wanted something in the theme. I was amazed at how many patterns there are out there for that era at Joanne's I made a killing at their $1./pattern sale I think it was for simplicity. I hope I finish on time! Beverly Azizi PS thank you for all the responses for my request for archives. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 15:46:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PJkF6M011857 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:46:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5PJkDGj026661 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:46:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5PJjcO6054487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:45:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PJja19014963; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:45:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep30.mail.dk (fep30.mail.dk [80.160.76.194]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PJjWpW014790 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:45:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep45.mail.dk ([195.41.46.228]) by fep30.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070625194523.UZSW18784.fep30.mail.dk@fep45.mail.dk> for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:45:23 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.249]) by fep45.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070625194523.TLD6126.fep45.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:45:23 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c7b761$89c888c0$f96ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:46:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep45.mail.dk from [80.164.110.249] at Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:45:14 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Fortuna X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ff66bfd8-c3b2-4396-8a04-ea8580d8e993 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46801B85.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO How fortunate can you get? I just got back from Rome. Found a wonderfull silk supplier near Piazza Cavour who claims he has more than 600 collours to choose from. Not nearly, but i had a book handled with only taffetas, and found for my September event this one: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/rom1.htm Also maybe for a future projekt this one: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/rom2.htm By a gods gift i also found a rare rare excample of Moreau Le Jeaunnes prints, i am sure some of you know some f. eks. Le rendevouz a Marly, Le dame au Pallais de la Reinne and so on. All prints compleatly for 120 euros............... Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 19:00:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PN0STV016878 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:00:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5PN0Pkn015127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:00:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5PMxnYH078745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PMxfA6076091; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:59:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5PMxbw3076026 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:59:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from athurman@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id r21so1704263wxc for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:59:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dDRDAHjd7Hz5TCwQR5nIDlp7ymhxApTxeSr4+84rAsGozUmqX/0hTFiRRgBY5PnCxiOOFDNYG2b/V1tu7vfyeDp0feYsAgWIdGO9XdY7FUJmfFCd3S6fcpC6KoUu5AT6MFpaSn8Z4/p3Lj0WvHS2Nju/lwjqogoaLeJ98LxhX9M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iHiCnRqzBP+JENIDNSIOZJJc+njqLq9Dfkk14pMlsuRrhB5M+aAq51N4rSsFxC9BGb+/oATym0qKOgGcJtwwox+GworGes24qag9TDbxWBU0M3pIlVjq2sVWa4+W6/SpGeQoKDsyO938ds8VjGUMQ90yUSI5SsZk0wB7+NO/21c= Received: by 10.70.69.11 with SMTP id r11mr10167966wxa.1182812375111; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.26.12 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d21ac190706251559s5c5abccct11993e23cf0ceeb8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:59:35 -0400 From: "A. Thurman" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Tudor Tailor - headrail X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3832f70-c96c-4325-9de4-6c484449e3dd X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46804909.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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On 6/25/07, h-costume-request@indra.com wrote: > Send h-costume mailing list submissions to > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 21:50:01 -0700 (PDT) > From: MaggiRos > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - headrail > To: Historical Costume > Message-ID: <20070625045001.4968.qmail@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Here are the photos someone posted from the workshop > in Vallejo, CA. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/41633059@N00/sets/72157594583565881/show/ > or > http://tinyurl.com/253x2u > > The head wrap is somewhere in the sequence. > > MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Mon Jun 25 22:48:40 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5Q2medn020155 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:48:40 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5Q2mb7V005031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:48:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5Q2lruG002427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:47:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5Q2lmU6006124; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:47:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5Q2lj8j005988 for ; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:47:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.22]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:47:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:47:40 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV12.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 02:47:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "WickedFrau" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Fortuna Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:46:47 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c7b79c$3d31e610$0601a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace3YYoZaXPTfWxhT3O388px6XOPRgAOpFkg In-Reply-To: <000d01c7b761$89c888c0$f96ea450@CPQ21932199711> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jun 2007 02:47:40.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CBAB6B0:01C7B79C] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b52b4043-04ed-4ccc-a850-66d77300d47f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46807E85.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Yummy! Love your palate! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Subject: [h-cost] Fortuna How fortunate can you get? I just got back from Rome. Found a wonderfull silk supplier near Piazza Cavour who claims he has more than 600 collours to choose from. Not nearly, but i had a book handled with only taffetas, and found for my September event this one: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/rom1.htm Bjarne _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 08:05:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QC54qW003482 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:05:04 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QC51qQ010295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:05:04 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QC3UgJ064361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:03:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QC3Mrc024793; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:03:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.132]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5Q7IorN057526 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:18:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sstormwatch@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56437 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2007 07:18:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3FyZltULnhjTrMfHQ8O3CZ+ieD3l0uj3Zs07Yo27Va75ISnARLw9Y3NjrPF509yZxaeo3oNtD6S7KrWgBZ1On8nChIw0YL+bxjTH2Du8GK4IzR0GZ0hp8Sf+b5dQBkps+j+0Pyt5HOShpDWOzSgLqSB8xe9ZVwBkaDz6oIcEVic=; X-YMail-OSG: jAB0qesVM1m0aMHkBGHanqe7CRtzSrNg2RQlea5XQBYfE0aRkIws_Hey0DTSBeCq1TpgbVAS6e.NKnXnMshCF8VrxCCjPhLQQ18OXcMu0c4pCas4auU- Received: from [129.8.204.63] by web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:18:44 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:18:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Kimiko Small Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tudor Tailor - headrail To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <764833.11557.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <852494.55575.qm@web32201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e27aa2b-7e86-43fd-b6a5-b9cd68a8eb14 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468100ED.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh, dear, no apology needed. The photos will eventually end up on my personal web site, but I wanted to upload them quickly to share with people. And I agree on the hair arrangement. I just have to learn how to french braid my now shorter hair. Kimiko --- MaggiRos wrote: > Oh gosh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to steal your > thunder, and I even knew it was your "gallery". I > was > just so excited! > > I guess the right way is whatever makes it stay on > your head! Remember, too, she said that half the > secret is in how you put up your hair to begin with. > > > MaggiRos > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 08:05:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QC56LV003487 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:05:07 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QC53Oi016944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:05:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QC4PL3064569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QC4Ptd025560; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:04:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QAFhN3067109 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 04:15:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5QAFYa4011190 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:15:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <8296995c0706221335s420d647r10e96fb3cb0f9e92@mail.gmail.com> <000001c7b51a$f3652de0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <000101c7b6bb$d956ea40$367ee648@ByrneComputer> <467F3CB3.5090803@reddawn.net> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Hellooooo? 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X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I will! Thanks for the reminder. -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Dawn Sent: June 24, 2007 11:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hellooooo? Jennifer Byrne wrote: > Ha! You'll have to wrestle my daughter for it! I making Cranach's Mary > Magdalene for her to wear to our local Renn Faire. I would love to see a picture of that when it is finished, be sure you post photos! Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 11:41:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QFfJN4023726 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:41:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QFfGHP022971 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:41:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QFdMQd000761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:39:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QFdFTl003741; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QF2tuT064703 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:02:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59F4D597A for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:02:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46812ABB.9050603@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:03:23 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume References: <00b401c7b6a7$21704cf0$6c00a8c0@compaqub> In-Reply-To: <00b401c7b6a7$21704cf0$6c00a8c0@compaqub> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: [h-cost] St Louis corset party X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: 4d229833-a33c-40a8-99e2-5b02343b6c49 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4681339C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Elena, How are things out in St. Louis? Just as hot as KC, I bet. I've finally got my corset pattern on order, hope to have it by the end of the week. We could be able to come out and visit you by the 2nd week in July. What do you think? Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 13:14:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHECbk002392 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:14:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QHE9uE023658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:14:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QHDUoj027554 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:13:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHDPjh009806; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:13:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHDKY1009701 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:13:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27604 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:17:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:17:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historic Costume List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Need a term... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 970bb7e7-bfee-407a-99b7-75d036a6df65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46814961.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO A friend asks: "What do you call those sort of bloomers that men wore with hose in the 16th c in France. They are rounded in outline, striped, come to about mid thigh." Evidently he's looking for a French term, though if there's an obvious English one I'll send him that as well. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 13:38:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHcTeO006027 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:38:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QHcQ4W017435 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:38:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QHbxZ3037259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:37:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHbuqK038585; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:37:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHbof3038352 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:37:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF53D5AB2 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:37:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <46814F0B.60008@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:38:19 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a2f32146-f5ed-41cf-8218-3c08eb8901dc X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46814F12.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Robin Netherton wrote: > A friend asks: > > "What do you call those sort of bloomers that men wore with hose in the > 16th c in France. They are rounded in outline, striped, come to about mid > thigh." > > Evidently he's looking for a French term, though if there's an obvious > English one I'll send him that as well. > I believe the English term is "trunkhose", and those would be panes (thin panels) not stripes. They are sometimes called "pumpkin pants" in SCA and renfaire circles. The Swedish and German word is "pluderhose", but those tend to be knee-length. I don't think I've ever heard a French term for them. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 13:39:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHdic1006354 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:39:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QHdg99025602 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:39:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QHdLBQ037766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:39:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHdGri040114; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:39:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5QHdAj6039896 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:39:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 59401 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2007 17:39:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pQJXcPus2MbL0gR7a+kbN0wS8V3hWZsGOuaVttR9Nce6FIPf0hXhT4l5GjhpIZPUyabgd1qFimunTSKP+e19xFDT6yJvIi07XgOMb2Kcd+ORFRuUA92ggAsFTbFxwRCOIV+n0jD/c6uiFh+26y/AczJReY9I8YckZCdulzRO/tc=; X-YMail-OSG: bundo7UVM1ly3NfKUPlzaG9kgRBzEAqLyELBqvu.Zos1qYJlagH6eMY85v7LZZFgQrmPUq8WgQ-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:39:05 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <447135.59007.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 548d2aed-4814-433e-a2cc-3b1fc855cf75 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46814F5E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO There's often called slops but the more generic term is trunk hose. I don't know what they are in French. MaggiRos --- Robin Netherton wrote: > > A friend asks: > > "What do you call those sort of bloomers that men > wore with hose in the > 16th c in France. They are rounded in outline, > striped, come to about mid > thigh." > > Evidently he's looking for a French term, though if > there's an obvious > English one I'll send him that as well. > > --Robin > > _________ ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 13:48:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHmTP7007481 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:48:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QHmRdk013766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:48:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QHm6Ij040883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:48:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHm2CZ049541; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:48:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHlvqo049446 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:47:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27776 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:52:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:52:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... In-Reply-To: <447135.59007.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6823aa59-83e7-49d5-a21a-b030878bfea2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4681516B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Thank you, Dawn and MaggiRos! That's exactly what we needed. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 13:52:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHqaUc007758 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:52:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QHqYWO014997 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:52:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QHqArB041714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:52:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHq7vM053661; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:52:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QHq2Z1053496 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:52:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.243.66] Received: from [75.45.243.66] (adsl-75-45-243-66.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.243.66]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5QHpLuA002346 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:51:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <71044B22-2A9A-49F9-9874-C78617919434@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:51:43 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b0023253-ed8d-4e89-b598-0185b54055df X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46815262.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The "bloomers" were also called hose in England, though often with a modifier to denote the style: trunk hose, round hose, Spanish hose, slop hose (sometimes just called slops). The 16th century French- English dictionaries to which I have access call them chausses, and sometimes a modifier is added. from Palsgrave (1530): Vnes chausses, a payre of hosen. Vnes brayes, a payre of sloppes or a payre of breches. [brayes in Cotgrave are defined as underwear, so chausses is probably safer] Payre of sloppe hoses braiettes a marinier Schorte hose chausse courte Payre of hole [sic] from the kne vp demy chausses from Cotgrave (1611): Chausse: A hose, a stocking, or netherstocke (Bas de Chausse) also, a breeke, or breech; (in which sence it is most commonly plurall) Haut de chausses. Chausses a la bougrine. Strait Venitians without codpeeces. Chausses a la Garguesque. Gregges, or Gallogaskins. Chausses a la gigotte. A fashion of very close Venitians; old fashioned Venitians. Chausses a queue de merlus. Round breeches with strait cannions; hauing in the seat a peece like a fishes tayle; and worn by old men, schollers, and such like niggarlie, or needie, persons. Chausses a Tabourin. Big, out-standing, or out-strouting, breeches; or the Swisse round rose, whose panes resemble the outside of a Taber. From the rather vague (and technically inaccurate--they're probably paned, not striped) description, it's not certain which of these he wants, though it's likely not either of the Venetian options. The last one looks most likely, given the reference to panes. Let me know if you need accent marks for any of these. Cheers, Melanie On Jun 26, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Robin Netherton wrote: > > A friend asks: > > "What do you call those sort of bloomers that men wore with hose in > the > 16th c in France. They are rounded in outline, striped, come to > about mid > thigh." > > Evidently he's looking for a French term, though if there's an obvious > English one I'll send him that as well. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 14:03:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QI3PmL008518 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:03:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QI3N4l006492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:03:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QI2m19043564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:02:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QI2fxS064111; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QI2ZHR063913 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:02:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l5QI2Sbw059824 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:02:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37471.65.117.156.5.1182880948.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2f98bd5d-77e9-4e38-8689-f6b869c772d4 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468154EB.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Did he mean these possibly? http://lynnmcmasters.com/elizmanslopscloseup.html Pansied slops. Chiara On Tue, June 26, 2007 12:17 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > > A friend asks: > > "What do you call those sort of bloomers that men wore with hose in > the > 16th c in France. They are rounded in outline, striped, come to > about mid > thigh." > > Evidently he's looking for a French term, though if there's an > obvious > English one I'll send him that as well. > > --Robin > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 14:30:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIU7n2010928 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:30:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QIU4nC031945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:30:08 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QINpbx046874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:23:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QINksO085209; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:23:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi102.prodigy.net (flpi102.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QINgv8085087 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:23:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.243.66] Received: from [75.45.243.66] (adsl-75-45-243-66.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.243.66]) by flpi102.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5QINHwW005521 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:23:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: <37471.65.117.156.5.1182880948.squirrel@webmail.io.com> References: <37471.65.117.156.5.1182880948.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:23:26 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a4dc824-9a12-44ef-b599-99571ac895ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46815B2C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I've never heard of pansied slops. I wonder where the name came from. Aha--another online reference says it came from Winter and Savoy's book, which is almost completely untrustworthy. I would treat this term with skepticism until a 16th-century reference can be found--does anyone have one? Just curious, Melanie On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Chiara Francesca wrote: > Did he mean these possibly? > > http://lynnmcmasters.com/elizmanslopscloseup.html > > Pansied slops. > > Chiara > > > On Tue, June 26, 2007 12:17 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: >> >> A friend asks: >> >> "What do you call those sort of bloomers that men wore with hose in >> the >> 16th c in France. They are rounded in outline, striped, come to >> about mid >> thigh." >> >> Evidently he's looking for a French term, though if there's an >> obvious >> English one I'll send him that as well. >> >> --Robin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 14:32:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIWElr011467 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:14 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QIWBkK002794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:15 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QIUtaU047974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:30:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIUs8K092513; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIUovv092367 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:30:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.217.118 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=jwFWTr9L9lX7vwm8ATIA:9 a=Wm5mrElTxbR5keWkTDDhfgLaf9IA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq1HAJf3gEZQLNl2R2dsb2JhbACBT4Vdh28BAT8B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,464,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="4221198" Received: from 80-44-217-118.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.217.118]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2007 19:29:23 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070626192141.027efda8@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:30:31 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 19a533be-0780-4097-a9dc-b5c224082e87 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46815BAC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 18:17 26/06/2007, you wrote: >A friend asks: > >"What do you call those sort of bloomers that men wore with hose in the >16th c in France. They are rounded in outline, striped, come to about mid >thigh." > >Evidently he's looking for a French term, though if there's an obvious >English one I'll send him that as well. I believe the term is "Les hauts-de chausses". Taken from Flammarion's "Le Costume part ll La Renaissance -le style Louis Xlll by Jacques Ruppert". I cannot find an exact translation of the above phrase, but the accompanying picture makes it clear that these are trunk hose, as they are generally called in England. Longer versions, to the knee, are called h-d-c- "a lodiers". (Sorry no accents - don't know how!) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 14:36:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIaC6U011862 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:36:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QIa9uG010515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:36:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QIZhHi048599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:35:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIZf3P096904; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from smtp.prismnet.com (smtp.prismnet.com [209.198.128.91]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIZMvU096569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:35:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from webmail.io.com (webmail.io.com [209.198.128.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.prismnet.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l5QIZHia062128 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:35:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Chiara.Francesca@gmail.com) Received: from 65.117.156.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ches) by webmail.io.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:35:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <22672.65.117.156.5.1182882917.squirrel@webmail.io.com> In-Reply-To: References: <37471.65.117.156.5.1182880948.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:35:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... From: "Chiara Francesca" To: "Historical Costume" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=7.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on smtp.prismnet.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c65ade7-d3c1-4ba8-aec4-a8f4168a16e5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46815C99.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Greetings Melanie, I had never heard of them either, that is why I asked a french type person and he sent me to that visual link. :) But I love the definitions that you just posted a few minutes ago. Neto! Chiara On Tue, June 26, 2007 1:23 pm, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > I've never heard of pansied slops. I wonder where the name came > from. Aha--another online reference says it came from Winter and > Savoy's book, which is almost completely untrustworthy. I would > treat this term with skepticism until a 16th-century reference can > be > found--does anyone have one? > > Just curious, > Melanie > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 14:36:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIaCQF011861 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:36:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QIa8Kw026858 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:36:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QIZkmJ048606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:35:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIZj5u096973; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:35:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-2-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.45]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIZbMJ096715 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:35:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.217.118 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=HngE011TAAAA:8 a=DmAbaITHO9sDZ1Up9ewA:9 a=yKuUHP2q4OPPDw_vFJZST8af-oAA:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArgeALr4gEZQLNl2R2dsb2JhbACBT41MAQE/AQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,464,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="4220032" Received: from 80-44-217-118.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.217.118]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2007 19:34:39 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070626193151.027ee420@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:35:32 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... In-Reply-To: References: <37471.65.117.156.5.1182880948.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 3b10d1ca-6613-473b-8841-be9092edb313 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46815C98.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 19:23 26/06/2007, you wrote: >I've never heard of pansied slops. I wonder where the name came >from. Aha--another online reference says it came from Winter and >Savoy's book, which is almost completely untrustworthy. I would >treat this term with skepticism until a 16th-century reference can be >found--does anyone have one? > >Just curious, >Melanie > > >On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Chiara Francesca wrote: > >>Did he mean these possibly? >> >>http://lynnmcmasters.com/elizmanslopscloseup.html >> >>Pansied slops. >> >>ttp://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > This could be a translation of "la panse" or pourpoint a panseron" which were derogatory terms for the clothes worn by the "feminine" gentlemen of the court of Henri lll - "les hommes effemines". (Although these seem to refer to the doublet, rather than the breeches or trunk hose.) (Ruppert again.) Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 14:42:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIghkS012021 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:42:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QIgfNI013170 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:42:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QIg8u2049440 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:42:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIg5Y7003013; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:42:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIg0Ad002913 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:42:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28095 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:46:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:46:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070626193151.027ee420@suziclarke.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 17c9f63b-68bd-487f-b272-b5059a82b4c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46815E21.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Melanie's amazing reply did the job for my friend. Thanks, all. (Though feel free to discuss amongst yourselves if it pleases you. I've learned that the simplest queries can lead to the longest threads.) Back to editing manuscripts about Scandinavian archaeological textiles... --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 14:44:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIiPAD012056 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:44:25 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QIiMwg013800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:44:26 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QIgUaC049506 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:42:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIgR2m003398; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:42:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpi101.prodigy.net (flpi101.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIgMLc003277 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:42:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.243.66] Received: from [75.45.243.66] (adsl-75-45-243-66.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.243.66]) by flpi101.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5QIfoZF024718 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:41:50 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070626193151.027ee420@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <37471.65.117.156.5.1182880948.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070626193151.027ee420@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6FA54F9B-5D3D-4D02-A258-ACA65B8A031B@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:42:13 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c0f21941-a11b-4b6d-b2e7-34d20bb1d226 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46815E87.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > > This could be a translation of "la panse" or pourpoint a panseron" > which were derogatory terms for the clothes worn by the "feminine" > gentlemen of the court of Henri lll - "les hommes effemines". > (Although these seem to refer to the doublet, rather than the > breeches or trunk hose.) (Ruppert again.) Interesting connection! Speaking of Henri's mignons, I once had a digital copy of a painting of them. IIRC, it was a bust-length painting of three guys in profile with their hair done up like women. Does anyone know where I could find this again? It was so wonderfully unusual, but somehow it disappeared. Thanks, Melanie _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 15:00:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJ0aeG012454 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:00:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QJ0Xfg028383 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:00:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QIxtRs052422 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:59:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIxoNZ019856; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:59:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-4-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.47]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QIxiUt019686 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:59:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.217.118 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=4v4ac6ri_h1gkX7VLREA:9 a=wmeP7_Dv-eHGIu4I88W4GIu9tr8A:4 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq1HAEr/gEZQLNl2R2dsb2JhbACBT4Vdh28BAT8B X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,464,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="4143597" Received: from 80-44-217-118.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.217.118]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 26 Jun 2007 19:58:41 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070626195711.027a9a30@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:58:37 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... In-Reply-To: <6FA54F9B-5D3D-4D02-A258-ACA65B8A031B@faucet.net> References: <37471.65.117.156.5.1182880948.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070626193151.027ee420@suziclarke.co.uk> <6FA54F9B-5D3D-4D02-A258-ACA65B8A031B@faucet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 946aabf7-3ca0-4eb8-9f59-caed20bce18b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46816251.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 19:42 26/06/2007, you wrote: >On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:35 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: >> >>This could be a translation of "la panse" or pourpoint a panseron" >>which were derogatory terms for the clothes worn by the "feminine" >>gentlemen of the court of Henri lll - "les hommes effemines". >>(Although these seem to refer to the doublet, rather than the >>breeches or trunk hose.) (Ruppert again.) > >Interesting connection! Speaking of Henri's mignons, I once had a >digital copy of a painting of them. IIRC, it was a bust-length >painting of three guys in profile with their hair done up like >women. Does anyone know where I could find this again? It was so >wonderfully unusual, but somehow it disappeared. I have a copy of this in an American costume book, which I cannot get at right now - would it be "The Mirror of Fashion"? I will go look if you want. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 15:09:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJ9GTM013106 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:09:16 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QJ9D6k007446 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:09:16 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QJ8heK053783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJ8eGh028237; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:08:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJ8YWL028144 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:08:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28245 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:12:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:12:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historic Costume List In-Reply-To: <39643.65.117.156.5.1182883735.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] MC&T4 (was: Scandinavian archaeological textiles) X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 503bc1c8-5680-4e1d-8e5a-87135a297491 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46816459.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Someone asked me about the editing on "Scandinavian archaeological textiles" I'm in the middle of, and it occurred to me you all might like a sneak peek of the tentative contents of Vol. 4 (2008) of Medieval Clothing and Textiles. Flax/linen production in medieval Russia References to scarlet clothing in Norse sagas The connection between Italian and Anglo-Saxon terms for "wimple" Linguistic background of "coif/cuff" Analysis of an extant 14th c. coif A visual classification method for archaeological textiles The "Greenland gown" and mainland European fashion Women's turbans in 15th c. French illuminations Henry VIII's quilts So, the usual range of disciplines (art, literature, archaeology, language, history, fashion study), periods (Anglo-Saxon to Tudor), and places (Russia, Scandinavia, France, England, Italy). We've also noticed that each volume seems to develop "clusters" in certain topics; this seems to be the one for Scandinavia, archaeology, and headgear. (Yes, the Greenland gown paper is mine, the long-promised publication based on my lecture on this topic, which some of you have heard. Even now I wish I could do more on it, but I just don't have time to read all the books I want to read...) Of course this all assumes I don't go mad. I'm in the midst of copyediting footnotes in at least eight languages, written by people whose native languages are (respectively) Italian, Finnish, Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish as well as English. A little much for someone with only French, though it's odd to realize I'm understanding more and more of the Danish and Norwegian at first glance. --Robin _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 15:12:28 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJCOPe013487 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:12:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QJCMwN009127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:12:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QJBlKn054293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:11:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJBi2X031373; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:11:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm09.prodigy.net (flpvm09.prodigy.net [207.115.20.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJBbE1031111 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:11:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.243.66] Received: from [75.45.243.66] (adsl-75-45-243-66.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.243.66]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5QJB5Z3017798 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:11:05 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070626195711.027a9a30@suziclarke.co.uk> References: <37471.65.117.156.5.1182880948.squirrel@webmail.io.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20070626193151.027ee420@suziclarke.co.uk> <6FA54F9B-5D3D-4D02-A258-ACA65B8A031B@faucet.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20070626195711.027a9a30@suziclarke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1DB117CB-FD44-4D38-8F4A-B2B3A530CE60@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:11:17 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 466be293-4ff5-4cce-a73e-f5f77ea867c7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46816516.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Excellent! At your convenience, I would love a scan, or if you don't have a scanner, an author and a page number. I can ILL it. I'm so excited! I've had an eye out for this for years but have never spotted it. Thanks so much, Melanie On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Suzi Clarke wrote: > At 19:42 26/06/2007, you wrote: >> >> Interesting connection! Speaking of Henri's mignons, I once had a >> digital copy of a painting of them. IIRC, it was a bust-length >> painting of three guys in profile with their hair done up like >> women. Does anyone know where I could find this again? It was so >> wonderfully unusual, but somehow it disappeared. > > > I have a copy of this in an American costume book, which I cannot > get at right now - would it be "The Mirror of Fashion"? I will go > look if you want. > > Suzi > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 15:15:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJF81c013815 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:15:08 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QJF3WR025788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:15:09 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QJERZZ054795 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:14:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJEMbq033895; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:14:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.172]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJEJ9K033826 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:14:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maricelt@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so209811ugf for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:14:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ibKcNGyaO6zCpz03GsDX8jNk9QqKiQxo8X4Spfj7oSL1pKiPtk8KaBbjCFlGTo3rQKQp2EGSqlYBJwhs5I7YlzMGwdmfRyjcyC+deudPGam+vZxPZes9msYxnavCdWjMfolQL6zvpEHVE+Le5uKJFK4sEpm5jPJ26ir2xsSrgRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WIUglbtHJuzrFbrU0TpZwOYak5ihSqkYfNHG/QK6TioDXrdeeZWF+IoCI8JvBrZRDxtYuUfVAAdKjmghxScQWfAvMlB/FCkqXIop2z0EQgBofe0EJBL5W0o2vMd0YQISoNb76488k+95ResCyZCGCJbKGjrl4qMrolcr/2bZ9EI= Received: by 10.82.175.17 with SMTP id x17mr15587105bue.1182885258331; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.179.12 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <72adc2660706261214q1bb50591n1046d7a54916be95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:14:18 -0400 From: "Marie Stewart" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] MC&T4 (was: Scandinavian archaeological textiles) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <39643.65.117.156.5.1182883735.squirrel@webmail.io.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0ebe84ad-79a6-4778-a1cd-6b132e7f61f4 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468165B8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Whooo hoooo! I already want a copy. Mari > Someone asked me about the editing on "Scandinavian archaeological > textiles" I'm in the middle of, and it occurred to me you all might like a > sneak peek of the tentative contents of Vol. 4 (2008) of Medieval Clothing > and Textiles. > > Flax/linen production in medieval Russia > References to scarlet clothing in Norse sagas > The connection between Italian and Anglo-Saxon terms for "wimple" > Linguistic background of "coif/cuff" > Analysis of an extant 14th c. coif > A visual classification method for archaeological textiles > The "Greenland gown" and mainland European fashion > Women's turbans in 15th c. French illuminations > Henry VIII's quilts > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 15:46:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJkC9d014980 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:46:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QJk9Ff022906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:46:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QJioUk059694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:44:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJijDj064212; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:44:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.24]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5QJifPT064085 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:44:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 8338 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2007 19:44:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=43W/MWudzlsXmdRpVzitC65NOEFYUIb/+1O/MMCIo3NHw22ajw6mVDYxJJTYLNGkwraJNiHAytA2C229zEMc09/EIuuJsogz++bzg4BaX0SgFmLmM7PsNjmv+kFzlacFBOOtrjlaYmUX6xWCd2Wm4Ko6PqB7le/g7r8ASDaJVoM=; X-YMail-OSG: x.9omYIVM1m6IQt0JwUsCNOZDSA2e3ohiXUZ5uoblLwDw5vKy4hP5Z.b4xCgcdqp5YZ7VZQuGw-- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:44:36 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <71044B22-2A9A-49F9-9874-C78617919434@faucet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <161852.6983.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 56af8ac7-d06e-48f4-8ad3-e75a6640757f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46816D01.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Round hose, yes. I knew I was forgetting something. Trunk hose are all manner of hose covering the trunk (as opposed to nether hose, which cover the lower legs). But Round hose was the correct name for slops in and of themselves. Round paned hose when they have panes over them. Thank you Melanie! MaggiRos --- Melanie Schuessler wrote: > The "bloomers" were also called hose in England, > though often with a > modifier to denote the style: trunk hose, round > hose, Spanish hose, > slop hose (sometimes just called slops). The 16th > century French- > English dictionaries to which I have access call > them chausses, and > sometimes a modifier is added. > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 15:59:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJxml1015284 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:59:48 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QJxj1l011842 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:59:49 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QJvADG061696 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:57:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QJv7Di076016; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:57:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.26]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5QJuxiU075814 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:57:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 56102 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2007 19:56:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6FInbtuz9Ko7qok2WfhwF0oS6jg4vI/A9YT71utJut2UhW6rYwEsmeCFlh0iE6R2MDGghhXvk54FVY8ZHOqBIvPZSXmfX00j18vII/rgzLu+O6iFaRz9A2jqGECYReo8MHVvi0scwOPMDYmPYOVgHYfr8tqYw+kAjFao5UuRqSQ= ; Message-ID: <20070626195654.56100.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: wrcm5T0VM1llFl9iElwGidYE3gmYyhg5AWHsGy8nzO_InVHcOHaSvcoIjSc5pBIzv6eM3zb9JjofpRtYwYaZLyxpFIMBhqoU8uoLde3Cr9x3fyfSdGQ- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:56:54 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: <22672.65.117.156.5.1182882917.squirrel@webmail.io.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6bcda4fd-a36f-4d96-a767-e636f1220a65 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46817031.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Schultz & Winter use "pansied" for some slops so brief there doesn't seem to be any room for a crotch. Kinda like this: http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/21629-large.jpg More than that, I can't say. MaggiRos --- Chiara Francesca wrote: > Greetings Melanie, > > I had never heard of them either, that is why I > asked a french type > person and he sent me to that visual link. :) > > But I love the definitions that you just posted a > few minutes ago. > Neto! > > Chiara > > > On Tue, June 26, 2007 1:23 pm, Melanie Schuessler > wrote: > > I've never heard of pansied slops. I wonder where > the name came > > from. Aha--another online reference says it came > from Winter and > > Savoy's book, which is almost completely > untrustworthy. I would > > treat this term with skepticism until a > 16th-century reference can > > be > > found--does anyone have one? > > > > Just curious, > > Melanie > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 16:13:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QKDS1E015684 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:13:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QKDPMe001909 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:13:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QKD0IO065321 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:13:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QKCsL4092333; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:12:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5QKCnww092138 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:12:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from maggiros@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 82347 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2007 20:12:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dmSoa8I0kQtzDJjNsHkhs0TSpiGmVozsTe59/MmbKRLUBzlOgPRiVb//HTJZuN1bOREFnS1FVfWkr5ZpsnUR3bBL1OIgiR4UykSYjsm9k4xQ0975LkijbI74fm+6Zoic9iGeYUl88VHpEHqfCzIWdObl85KVFQcFF4EMdOG/PN8=; X-YMail-OSG: zkOwzLgVM1lfAp_txfZXx_tMRr7OHJcY0hUFMmQHCT5_mXsB0GlAKlWcK2AcgCGmdqBUBWAgq3Sj0dxkY.7OCEnrmqLt2E_vh4kTvHWSVBa6Xjlp630- Received: from [208.179.44.155] by web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:12:43 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:12:43 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos Subject: Elizabethan paper dolls Re: [h-cost] Need a term... To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <917441.80911.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7e164cd5-cff6-4000-afe5-f37fe3bfdef7 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46817365.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO By the way, I stumbled over this charming site. It's paper dolls for Taming of the Shrew as a Globe production. That is, all the women's clothes go on a boy's figure--of course. http://www.gallimauphry.com/PD/shrew/shrew.html and the main page is http://www.gallimauphry.com/PD/gateway3.html MaggiRos ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 17:13:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QLDTuN017236 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:13:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QLDQpx006386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:13:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QLCurw073911 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:12:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QLCovd048958; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:12:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5QLCi9S048786 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:12:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDJDAJPAUJXGL2 for (sender ); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgjN7ZVoU6D4PeUXL5GPsm14= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MQ7L3F7D; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:11:37 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:11:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] MC&T4 (was: Scandinavian archaeological textiles) Message-ID: <20070626.141122.3748.5.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11-66 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 24:12:3679473456 X-MAIL-INFO: 301cc5a1c59c0d259c0d55ec0d557cdcadd898783888d891dd7d3868916df1619169e8c91c0c1c156c555d0d1cec X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b42d137d-17c8-4d2d-a320-ddaa3ac423f0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46818176.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Oh WOW, Robin!!! This looks so cool! :D When will it be available? May I pass this along to some of my local and kingdom lists? WOO-HOO!! :-) Arlys On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:12:38 -0500 (CDT) Robin Netherton writes: > > Someone asked me about the editing on "Scandinavian archaeological > textiles" I'm in the middle of, and it occurred to me you all might > like a > sneak peek of the tentative contents of Vol. 4 (2008) of Medieval > Clothing > and Textiles. > > Flax/linen production in medieval Russia > References to scarlet clothing in Norse sagas > The connection between Italian and Anglo-Saxon terms for "wimple" > Linguistic background of "coif/cuff" > Analysis of an extant 14th c. coif > A visual classification method for archaeological textiles > The "Greenland gown" and mainland European fashion > Women's turbans in 15th c. French illuminations > Henry VIII's quilts > > So, the usual range of disciplines (art, literature, archaeology, > language, history, fashion study), periods (Anglo-Saxon to Tudor), > and > places (Russia, Scandinavia, France, England, Italy). We've also > noticed > that each volume seems to develop "clusters" in certain topics; this > seems > to be the one for Scandinavia, archaeology, and headgear. > > (Yes, the Greenland gown paper is mine, the long-promised > publication > based on my lecture on this topic, which some of you have heard. > Even now > I wish I could do more on it, but I just don't have time to read all > the > books I want to read...) > > Of course this all assumes I don't go mad. I'm in the midst of > copyediting > footnotes in at least eight languages, written by people whose > native > languages are (respectively) Italian, Finnish, Danish, Norwegian, > and > Swedish as well as English. A little much for someone with only > French, > though it's odd to realize I'm understanding more and more of the > Danish > and Norwegian at first glance. > > --Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 18:03:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QM3q1Z018458 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:03:52 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QM3ojw002878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:03:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QM33TX081530 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:03:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QM2wkS096010; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:02:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QKRcWa005960 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:27:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10D2D5B3B for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:27:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <468176D7.8070904@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:28:07 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: Elizabethan paper dolls Re: [h-cost] Need a term... References: <917441.80911.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <917441.80911.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0a73dcd8-461e-4d07-b3c0-306f99138862 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46818D46.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO MaggiRos wrote: > By the way, I stumbled over this charming site. It's > paper dolls for Taming of the Shrew as a Globe > production. That is, all the women's clothes go on a > boy's figure--of course. > > http://www.gallimauphry.com/PD/shrew/shrew.html Those look familiar... yes, the same artist did a series of Italian Renaissance dolls a while ago: http://www.gallimauphry.com/PD/venus/ren.html Just lovely. Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 18:04:15 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QM49bY018463 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:04:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QM47f7013723 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:04:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QM3dIi081658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:03:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QM3cOR096686; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:03:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QLTJIx063961 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:29:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A343D604C8; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:21:07 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Need a term... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:29:19 -0700 Message-ID: <003201c7b839$0e76ecb0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <20070626195654.56100.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-CommKal-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude for spam and viruses. X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: eb0b352e-8119-4b29-aa02-efd0bb0a2dbb X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46818D57.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My friend's husband's pansied slops are tight hose to the knee. The "pansied" parts are very short, almost like an overskirt. (just like the link in MaggiRos'message)There is an under "poufy" part, covered by the embroidered strappy parts. They do Not have a crotch. That function is carried out by the tight under hose. She's a very good, precise = costumer, so I will ask her where she got the info/reference for them. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] = On Behalf Of MaggiRos Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:57 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... Schultz & Winter use "pansied" for some slops so brief there doesn't seem to be any room for a crotch. Kinda like this:=20 http://www.vam.ac.uk/images/image/21629-large.jpg More than that, I can't say. MaggiRos --- Chiara Francesca wrote: > Greetings Melanie, >=20 > I had never heard of them either, that is why I > asked a french type > person and he sent me to that visual link. :) >=20 > But I love the definitions that you just posted a > few minutes ago. > Neto! >=20 > Chiara >=20 >=20 > On Tue, June 26, 2007 1:23 pm, Melanie Schuessler > wrote: > > I've never heard of pansied slops. I wonder where > the name came > > from. Aha--another online reference says it came > from Winter and > > Savoy's book, which is almost completely > untrustworthy. I would > > treat this term with skepticism until a > 16th-century reference can > > be > > found--does anyone have one? > > > > Just curious, > > Melanie > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume >=20 ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 18:12:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QMCOiV018513 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:12:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QMCLpv023615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:12:24 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QMAV5L082439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:10:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QMAHZc002809; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:10:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QMACie002637 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:10:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.bfe.18aa8dda (40522) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:09:58 EDT Subject: [h-cost] Need a term... To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 798dc711-e7c1-47b5-a85f-480feb588c84 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46818F45.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 26/06/2007 19:01:22 GMT Standard Time, h-costume-request@indra.com writes: "What do you call those sort of bloomers that men wore with hose in the 16th c in France. They are rounded in outline, striped, come to about mid thigh." probably already been answered, but could be one of two items. plunderhosen (or pluderhosen) are the ones with trips, but they're longer - usually just above or below the knee. trunkhosen are the short ones often seen with canions and hosen, but the apparent stripes that you see in picures are more likely to be depicting the massive amounts of pleating _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 18:23:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QMNQC3018608 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:23:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QMNOEG020825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:23:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QMMxKe084035 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:22:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QMMueC014048; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:22:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from zenobia.reddawn.net (rrcs-67-52-227-86.west.biz.rr.com [67.52.227.86]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QMMqcF013938 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:22:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from dawn@reddawn.net) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (angel.reddawn.net [10.0.0.3]) by zenobia.reddawn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAFCD5B5F for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:22:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <468191DA.1050806@reddawn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:23:22 -0500 From: Dawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bernina Sewing machine "user manuals" References: <408744.25583.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <408744.25583.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 568d2e52-1371-428c-be9b-0c7707ca9e5b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468191DC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO julian wilson wrote: > Gentles of The Lists, > would anyone like to point me in the direction of a good source [downloadable or otherwise] for Users manuals for the following Bernina machines - the 700, 730, & Bernina CMatic 801 Electronic? > Not downloadable, but a resource for manuals nonetheless. http://sewing.about.com/od/beginner1/ig/Sewing-Tools/Sewing-Machine-Manuals.htm Dawn _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 18:37:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QMbwwS018752 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:37:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QMbuGu026317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:37:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QMbVuB085626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:37:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QMbUMB026107; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:37:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from S4.cableone.net (s4.cableone.net [24.116.0.230]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QMbPQc025984 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from kbaird@cableone.net) Received: from anteckim (unverified [24.119.254.13]) by S4.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S4) with ESMTP id 113132157 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:37:18 -0700 From: "Kim Baird" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: <408744.25583.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bernina Sewing machine "user manuals" Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: <004501c7b842$eb120ed0$bb00a8c0@anteckim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <408744.25583.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace4P36ctOQdj8ofS/2Dl0dLnvuZYAAA1csA X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 83, in=117, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.119.254.13 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 6f7bbcdc-dd94-4eaf-9132-b1768a4f8ca2 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46819544.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO This site claims to have manuals for many models, both print anPDF versions: http://www.sewconsult.com/bernina_instruction_manuals.htm Kim (no affiliation) -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of julian wilson Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 4:30 PM To: aotc@yahoogroups.com Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Bernina Sewing machine "user manuals" Gentles of The Lists, would anyone like to point me in the direction of a good source [downloadable or otherwise] for Users manuals for the following Bernina machines - the 700, 730, & Bernina CMatic 801 Electronic? Our little Island-isolated groups of living-history interpreters and SCA members wanted to start making garb, - and I've bought in a number of sewing machines from our local equivalent of Goodwill. Before they go out "on loan" to members, I want to make sure they all have user manuals. The trouble is that none of them had user manuals when I bought them secondhand, and though I've had them all serviced at my own expense by the local Sewing Machine Engineer, he couldn't provide me with copies of the User manuals for any of them. Help! Please? "Matthew Baker" dwelling in "old" Jersey. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 19:26:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QNQddg019420 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:26:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QNQa0I011310 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:26:40 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QNQ4Ft091887 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:26:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QNPxal063466; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:26:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm23.prodigy.net (flpvm23.prodigy.net [207.115.20.53]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QNPs3A063392 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:25:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.45.224.1] Received: from [75.45.224.1] (adsl-75-45-224-1.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.45.224.1]) by flpvm23.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5QNQ82j020195 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:26:10 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <161852.6983.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <161852.6983.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80E6868C-2C12-424F-85A9-4845C8AC6CF9@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Melanie Schuessler Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:25:43 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 755d3875-45f5-4ad6-9008-6679e3919668 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4681A0AC.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO You're welcome! But I'm not sure I agree that slops and round hose are the same thing. Certainly some of the definitions I sent suggest that variations had different names. Palsgrave associates slops with sailors' hose while Cotgrave talks about the big round hose of the Swiss. I'm sure it also depends on exactly when and where. Melanie On Jun 26, 2007, at 3:44 PM, MaggiRos wrote: > Round hose, yes. I knew I was forgetting something. > > Trunk hose are all manner of hose covering the trunk > (as opposed to nether hose, which cover the lower > legs). But Round hose was the correct name for slops > in and of themselves. Round paned hose when they have > panes over them. > > Thank you Melanie! > > MaggiRos _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 19:47:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QNlcIA019734 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:47:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5QNlaVU019312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:47:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QNkx69094113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:46:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QNkwTd077733; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:46:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from minx.thyrsus.com (static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net [71.162.243.5]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QNkqD0077674 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:46:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cathy@thyrsus.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minx.thyrsus.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB76F70032E for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:41:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine Olanich Raymond To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MC&T4 (was: Scandinavian archaeological textiles) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:41:26 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ansi_x3.4-1968" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706261941.26243.cathy@thyrsus.com> X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fe0ee78f-973c-4a93-9060-618fa8e2b044 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4681A598.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tuesday 26 June 2007, Robin Netherton wrote: > Someone asked me about the editing on "Scandinavian archaeological > textiles" I'm in the middle of, and it occurred to me you all might like a > sneak peek of the tentative contents of Vol. 4 (2008) of Medieval Clothing > and Textiles. > > Flax/linen production in medieval Russia > References to scarlet clothing in Norse sagas > The connection between Italian and Anglo-Saxon terms for "wimple" > Linguistic background of "coif/cuff" > Analysis of an extant 14th c. coif > A visual classification method for archaeological textiles > The "Greenland gown" and mainland European fashion > Women's turbans in 15th c. French illuminations > Henry VIII's quilts > > So, the usual range of disciplines (art, literature, archaeology, > language, history, fashion study), periods (Anglo-Saxon to Tudor), and > places (Russia, Scandinavia, France, England, Italy). We've also noticed > that each volume seems to develop "clusters" in certain topics; this seems > to be the one for Scandinavia, archaeology, and headgear. Okay, IV I will definitely need to buy.... Thanks for the heads-up. -- Cathy "still waffling about III..." Raymond "You've got to have the proper amount of disrespect for what you do." -- George Mabry _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 22:14:20 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R2EIXL023216 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:14:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5R2EGd9029740 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:14:19 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5R2DCi6010287 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:13:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R2D8KP069816; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:13:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:root@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R2D5Nw069769 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:13:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from robin@netherton.net) Received: from shell.nightowl.net (IDENT:robin@shell.nightowl.net [209.176.170.30]) by shell.nightowl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29514 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:17:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:17:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Netherton X-Sender: robin@shell.nightowl.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] MC&T4 (was: Scandinavian archaeological textiles) In-Reply-To: <20070626.141122.3748.5.Cley@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: cee7d4ab-baa2-495c-bdfb-8b976e78ec92 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4681C7F8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, Cynthia J Ley wrote: > Oh WOW, Robin!!! This looks so cool! :D > > When will it be available? > > May I pass this along to some of my local and kingdom lists? Glad you like it! Yes, might as well drum up some interest -- but remember the list I just posted is for the volume slated for release in May 2008. Some people may not yet have looked over our brand-new 2007 volume, so you would do me a favor if you included info on that, too. It has papers on these topics: Anglo-Saxon household textiles Anglo-Saxon clerical vestments Saints in Opus Anglicanum embroidery on vestments Color preferences in Flemish luxury woollens Wool finishing Symbolism of rich garments in a Spanish religious story Fingerloop braiding Medieval textile bookmarkers Children's clothes in Tudor England ...that last one written by h-cost's very own Melanie Schuessler. You'll find the contents of Volume 3 listed in more detail here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/43832917.HTM And the entire series here: http://www.boydell.co.uk/MEDSES.HTM Since you'll be posting to SCA lists, you might want to note that each of these volumes includes some authors who are SCA members who have made the leap to academic publishing, and that each volume includes at least one article that reflects the use of reconstruction as a research tool. --Robin ========================================================== Robin Netherton Editor, Medieval Clothing and Textiles robin@netherton.net voice: (314) 439-1222 // fax: (314) 439-1666 Life is just a bowl of queries. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 22:14:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R2EhZb023229 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:14:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5R2EV9M014020 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:14:37 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5QM3mrC081685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:03:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5QM3m16096832; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:03:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.52]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5QLTvMK064524 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:29:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from smnco37@yahoo.co.uk) Received: (qmail 26292 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jun 2007 21:29:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=M81IudmpYM625DZ8dIqm1AlaAMlHmuyPWX0RbJ26gG90V8/dvYj2HIGGScgun6hOXJBhdErjeYiLO3zhmYS+OB2p8+wBRdrydPK2e4Hqc42BL0+BeNlNayAy8kxaiZ58hUkDOYuMaSeXFoCfc4F5J00YaBdhAHsBIojUrqmEnLs=; X-YMail-OSG: ersap.MVM1my.tvrJSQce6xCRhyKa5lGGZa8tltygTXZ.y7eMPMPJJmDT4S1xZIZdIsv2w-- Received: from [82.112.137.3] by web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:29:55 BST Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:29:55 +0100 (BST) From: julian wilson To: aotc@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <408744.25583.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Bernina Sewing machine "user manuals" X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 5b8db39d-dc75-4093-a5a8-0e18e827361d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4681C807.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Gentles of The Lists, would anyone like to point me in the direction of a good source [downloadable or otherwise] for Users manuals for the following Bernina machines - the 700, 730, & Bernina CMatic 801 Electronic? Our little Island-isolated groups of living-history interpreters and SCA members wanted to start making garb, - and I've bought in a number of sewing machines from our local equivalent of Goodwill. Before they go out "on loan" to members, I want to make sure they all have user manuals. The trouble is that none of them had user manuals when I bought them secondhand, and though I've had them all serviced at my own expense by the local Sewing Machine Engineer, he couldn't provide me with copies of the User manuals for any of them. Help! Please? "Matthew Baker" dwelling in "old" Jersey. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Tue Jun 26 23:54:25 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R3sOaT026047 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:54:24 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5R3sMWq006808 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:54:25 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5R3rX4j023386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:53:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R3rUdB034359; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:53:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m22.mail.aol.com (imo-m22.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.3]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R3rQAM034232 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:53:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.ca3.12cb6f98 (43933) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:53:20 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:53:20 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Accents, tildes, and symbols X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 33ae4ea3-b98a-47fd-96c7-a1b68d24aabf X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4681DF6E.004 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO =20 In a message dated 6/26/2007 2:31:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: (Sorry no accents - don't know how!) Suzi ***************** =20 =20 FYI.... =20 I don't know how to do it on a Mac, but if you have Windows: =20 Go to START =20 Then to "All Programs" =20 then to "Accessories" =20 then to "System Tools" =20 Find the "Character Map" and go to it. =20 At the top of that window you will see a drop down list of fonts [The =20 default is usually Ariel] Find the font you want...though most have the sam= e=20 characters in the same place. =20 Then there's a grid with all the characters of that font displayed. If you =20 click on the letter with an accent you want...or the symbol you want... it w= ill=20 show up on the grid larger. You may select it by clicking on the "select"=20 button or by double clicking the character. Then you may copy it by using t= he=20 "copy" button and paste it in your text wherever you want. =20 Also, if you click on the letter you want, at the bottom of the window =20 you'll see a written description of the letter and , on the far right lower=20= corner=20 the word "Keystroke" followed by "alt" and a number. If you hold down the =20 "alt" key on your keyboard, and type in the number over in the number pad on= the=20 right side of the keyboard [as opposed to the numbers above the letters] th= e=20 letter you chose will appear. This will happen whether you have the=20 character map up or not. This all sounds complicated but in practice it's not. For instance, I use bullets a lot so I know the number. Anytime I press=20 "Alt" plus 0183 on the number pad, a bullet will appear in my text. like th= is: =20 =B7=B7=B7 [3 of them] =20 Here's an "n" with a tilde for Spanish... "alt" plus the number 0241: =20= =F1 Here's the capital "N" with a tilde... "alt" + 0209: =D1 =20 If you're just using a character in just one post, it's easier to just copy=20= =20 it and paste it. But if you use it all the time, you might as well memorize=20 the number, then you won't need to go to the Character Map. =20 You can also drag the icon for the character map to your desktop from the =20 Programs menu. That way you don't have to go to Start and all that, there wi= ll =20 be a shortcut to it on your desk top. =20 =20 Now....who knows how to do it on a Mac? =20 =20 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com= . _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 00:36:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R4aQPc027157 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:36:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5R4aOH0026434 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:36:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5R4a3Yp027977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:36:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R4a1ab057711; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:36:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from flpvm09.prodigy.net (flpvm09.prodigy.net [207.115.20.39]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R4ZwFd057636 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:36:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from melanie@faucet.net) X-ORBL: [75.46.13.82] Received: from [75.46.13.82] (adsl-75-46-13-82.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net [75.46.13.82]) by flpvm09.prodigy.net (8.13.8 out.dk.spool/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5R4ZSDA015487 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:35:28 -0700 In-Reply-To: <003201c7b839$0e76ecb0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> References: <003201c7b839$0e76ecb0$0200a8c0@bob3pc> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <08F59680-E5D5-4289-B31B-A334B8328356@faucet.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Melanie Schuessler Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:35:40 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] 16th c. hat structure X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f2fac4f0-b359-448e-949c-672444523286 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4681E948.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I can't recall who, but I seem to remember someone asking what the =20 structure inside 16th-century hats was. I came across a reference to =20= a felt understructure today in the accounts of Robert Dudley =20 (Leicester) from 1559-61: Item for making a chrymissin velvet cap for Sir Henry Sydney=92s son & =20= a band of copper sylver & a fether & trymyng it with buttons vijs. vjd. Item for cuttyng out and makyng his hatt ymbrothered with sylver & =20 for felt lynyng and underturfs to ytt vs. (translation: Item, for making a crimson velvet cap for Sir Henry Sydney=92s son and =20= a band of copper silver and a feather and trimming it with buttons 7 =20= shillings, 6 pence. Item, for cutting out and making his hat embroidered with silver and =20 for felt lining and underturfs to it 5 shillings.) The underturf was, I think, the fabric facing on the underside of the =20= brim. The wording of the entry could also mean that the underturf is =20= the brim structure, made of felt the same as the lining. Melanie Schuessler= _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 00:51:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R4pr2i027571 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:51:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5R4popM014108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:51:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5R4pTgC029773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:51:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R4pRgP065887; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:51:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail10.tpgi.com.au (mail10.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.147]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R4pL8d065836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:51:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-217-96-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.217.96]) by mail10.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l5R4pJA1010514 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:51:20 +1000 Message-ID: <000f01c7b8db$4744fa80$60d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Accents, tildes, and symbols Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:50:32 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: e7549ec3-59d5-462d-a915-7029e0ed9df5 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4681ECE6.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 00:59:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R4xuKl027819 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:59:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5R4xrmF009888 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:59:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5R4tO80030165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:55:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R4tMOs067852; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:55:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail8.tpgi.com.au (mail8.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R4tH3l067794 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:55:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from user4712b7d135 (220-245-217-96-act-pppoe.tpgi.com.au [220.245.217.96]) by mail8.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from ewalpole@tpg.com.au) (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id l5R4tFIP017526 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:55:16 +1000 Message-ID: <002901c7b8db$d3f47370$60d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> From: "Elizabeth Walpole" To: "Historical Costume" References: <37471.65.117.156.5.1182880948.squirrel@webmail.io.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melanie Schuessler" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... > I've never heard of pansied slops. I wonder where the name came from. > Aha--another online reference says it came from Winter and Savoy's book, > which is almost completely untrustworthy. I would treat this term with > skepticism until a 16th-century reference can be found--does anyone have > one? > > Just curious, > Melanie > to me it looks like a typo for pained slops, where the typo first turned up would be interesting to track down. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 01:06:38 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R56cCq028029 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:06:38 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5R56ZlN001165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:06:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5R5672f031222 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:06:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R56699073766; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.116]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5R562hg073724 for ; Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:06:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumeraz@qwest.net) Received: from mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net (mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.9]) by mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net (Postfix) with QMQP id EEC3662D704 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vdsl-130-13-70-140.phnx.qwest.net (HELO acer2e68c49b20) (130.13.70.140) by mpls-pop-09.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2007 05:05:51 -0000 From: "costumeraz" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Bernina Sewing machine "user manuals" Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:06:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <408744.25583.qm@web23112.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace4Photf2tVPsjLTyKU4mFtE+z92AAOp74Q Message-Id: <20070627050601.EEC3662D704@mpls-qmqp-05.inet.qwest.net> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0219106e-8c1f-4bba-97da-f4322e0f552d X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4681F05B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, If you'll contact me off list, I might be able to help re: manual for Bernina 830. Laurie costumeraz@quest.net -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of julian wilson Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:30 PM To: aotc@yahoogroups.com Cc: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Bernina Sewing machine "user manuals" Gentles of The Lists, would anyone like to point me in the direction of a good source [downloadable or otherwise] for Users manuals for the following Bernina machines - the 700, 730, & Bernina CMatic 801 Electronic? Our little Island-isolated groups of living-history interpreters and SCA members wanted to start making garb, - and I've bought in a number of sewing machines from our local equivalent of Goodwill. Before they go out "on loan" to members, I want to make sure they all have user manuals. The trouble is that none of them had user manuals when I bought them secondhand, and though I've had them all serviced at my own expense by the local Sewing Machine Engineer, he couldn't provide me with copies of the User manuals for any of them. Help! Please? "Matthew Baker" dwelling in "old" Jersey. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.9/870 - Release Date: 6/26/2007 10:07 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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I would treat this > term with > > skepticism until a 16th-century reference can be found--does > anyone have > > one? > > > > Just curious, > > Melanie > > > to me it looks like a typo for pained slops, where the typo first > turned up > would be interesting to track down. > Elizabeth > -------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Walpole > Canberra Australia > ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au > http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 08:12:59 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RCCu68011503 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:12:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5RCCsqc012178 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:12:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5RCCAlV082097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:12:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RCC7DF020269; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:12:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.netspace.net.au (mail-out2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.72]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RCC2LJ020216 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from stilskin@netspace.net.au) Received: from localhost (webmail2.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.185]) by mail.netspace.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 464F06938C for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:12:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from 220-253-122-10.VIC.netspace.net.au (220-253-122-10.VIC.netspace.net.au [220.253.122.10]) by webmail.netspace.net.au (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:12:07 +1000 Message-ID: <1182946327.468254176e5f3@webmail.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:12:07 +1000 From: stilskin@netspace.net.au To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Need a term... 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Slops, -C. ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 08:22:10 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RCM9g4012144 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:22:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5RCM6Ck016927 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:22:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5RCLkFY083500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:21:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RCLkpu026395; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:21:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RCLh8j026313 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:21:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from henderson.sharon@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so383042ugf for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:21:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=EhxMHw08WzQD0kpXhf99ZsNBaTUAzoXepoY4msqrqjFKJj0rgrkilFwoBPL41ys2vKxGVIzm0fUcryH9pzc3MG3bpxitbFmkMM1v/VzQP3VIA9vwMkVQFizxQ3DWdbJ787CE2uVaws+Y3suOmhJuFcBq76zHDCaadt0tmJZNIH0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=iyV3wrCSPU8A5RcCjFRK6zhdvlvSO+0IwlBDlYvqifo7vsdXgNWNQnqk5rpLoNCMMKlx69niHppUepseifgx3gA10HmXD1DQLgDEVgoN7fq3Iapv0t0eoblsZ0+kdWQEMhL7cRytLFNt/o2VyZcIaXJTl+I5SFUhhFBE8LY0j94= Received: by 10.82.174.20 with SMTP id w20mr1133043bue.1182946897529; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.151.12 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 05:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:21:37 -0400 From: "Sharon Henderson" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] International Marks on the Mac Platform X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 25fd29d9-07f7-4294-b471-5cdcd6cd90d0 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4682566F.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO International diacritics on a Mac are reasonably easy: hold down the Option key, type the letter it affects (if you want the Spanish "upside-down question mark" type the question mark, the upside-down exclamation point is Option + 1... German ess-tset is option + s). Some of them are a little more involved: because the French accents get the option + e, Umlauts have to be option + u + e (or i or a...) There is a web page that lists them all by language (at least for the main ones; more esoteric ones can probably be found elsewhere): http://www.ccsf.edu/Departments/Language_Lab/accentsmac.htm Cheers, Sharon in Virginia (Meli) AlbertCat wrote: > (Sorry no accents - don't know how!) > > Suzi ***************** FYI.... I don't know how to do it on a Mac _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 12:10:17 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RGAE5I001767 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:10:15 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5RGA9m2006583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:10:14 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5RG9R65023985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RG9HbF027801; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:09:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RG99Bh027538 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:09:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep35.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070627160859.FSRC18732.fep35.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:08:59 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.4]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070627160858.KICS1379.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:08:58 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c7b8d5$a59775a0$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:10:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.161.67.4] at Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:08:50 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 54bc6238-6ccc-4b3b-9af1-f98353932471 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46828BE1.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to share............. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 13:31:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RHVYPp012088 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:31:35 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5RHVWuj027253 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:31:35 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5RHTsMr038788 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RHKCrS002909; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:20:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RHJsMl002274 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:19:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.175.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.175]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1I3bB5-0005K0-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:19:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <229CD430-B33B-48BC-AF85-DA6AF2071E9C@mindspring.com> From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] Accents, tildes, and symbols Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:21:04 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ee69316b-025c-4cae-9cd7-b24458b9b550 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46829EF4.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO For Mac, if you're using Microsoft Word, you can either go to the =20 Insert Menu and choose "symbol," which will show you what is =20 available in the font you're working with, click what you want, and =20 then click "insert"-- OR you can learn a few of the Option combinations: pressing Option and the ~` key together, for example, will hold a =20 place, then pressing the letter you want accented will print the =20 letter with an accent grave-- =E8. Option and e, then the letter, will make an accent =E9gue--=E9. Option and i, then a letter, gives the letter an accent circonflex--=F4. Option and u, then the letter, will give you an umlauted letter =FC, =E4, = =20 etc. Option and c automatically gives a c with a cedilla, =E7. Option and o gives you =F8. Option and n produces a place, then typing n again gives you =F1. And so on. Experiment with your Option key if you've got a Mac, then learn the =20 combinations that give you the accidentals you want. THEN the challenge is persuading your e-mail server to send what =20 you've typed. I don't know if these wonderful illustrations I've =20 typed in will reproduce in the message everybody receives. So if =20 you're reading this message and seeing formatting commands rather =20 than accents, umlauts, cedillas, tildas, etc., then you're =20 experiencing the miracle of incompatible programs! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 26, 2007, at 11:53 PM, AlbertCat@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 6/26/2007 2:31:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > suzi@suziclarke.co.uk writes: > > (Sorry no accents - don't know how!) > > Suzi > > > > ***************** > > > FYI.... > > I don't know how to do it on a Mac, but if you have Windows: > > Go to START > > Then to "All Programs" > > then to "Accessories" > > then to "System Tools" > > Find the "Character Map" and go to it. > > At the top of that window you will see a drop down list of fonts [The > default is usually Ariel] Find the font you want...though most have =20= > the same > characters in the same place. > > Then there's a grid with all the characters of that font displayed. =20= > If you > click on the letter with an accent you want...or the symbol you =20 > want... it will > show up on the grid larger. You may select it by clicking on the =20 > "select" > button or by double clicking the character. Then you may copy it =20 > by using the > "copy" button and paste it in your text wherever you want. > > Also, if you click on the letter you want, at the bottom of the window > you'll see a written description of the letter and , on the far =20 > right lower corner > the word "Keystroke" followed by "alt" and a number. If you hold =20 > down the > "alt" key on your keyboard, and type in the number over in the =20 > number pad on the > right side of the keyboard [as opposed to the numbers above the =20 > letters] the > letter you chose will appear. This will happen whether you have the > character map up or not. > This all sounds complicated but in practice it's not. > For instance, I use bullets a lot so I know the number. Anytime I =20 > press > "Alt" plus 0183 on the number pad, a bullet will appear in my =20 > text. like this: > =B7=B7=B7 [3 of them] > > Here's an "n" with a tilde for Spanish... "alt" plus the number =20 > 0241: =F1 > Here's the capital "N" with a tilde... "alt" + 0209: =D1 > > If you're just using a character in just one post, it's easier to =20 > just copy > it and paste it. But if you use it all the time, you might as well =20 > memorize > the number, then you won't need to go to the Character Map. > > You can also drag the icon for the character map to your desktop =20 > from the > Programs menu. That way you don't have to go to Start and all that, =20= > there will > be a shortcut to it on your desk top. > > > Now....who knows how to do it on a Mac? > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://=20 > www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 15:07:02 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RJ70Ub018923 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:07:01 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5RJ6w5J015942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:07:01 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5RJ6DZ1055481 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:06:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RJ64Zm014489; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:06:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.62]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RJ5xOC014291 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:06:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from skrossa-ml2@MedievalScotland.org) Received: from [68.164.88.46] (helo=[192.168.0.3]) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I3cps-0005wi-SR for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:05:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:05:40 -0700 To: Historical Costume From: "Sharon L. Krossa" Subject: Re: [h-cost] International Marks on the Mac Platform Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-ELNK-Trace: a9d6c443a8acfb00d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc4e3540f4a751aaff7bffb1186aa4c425350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.164.88.46 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4028ebaf-c943-464e-a475-41a92ad4c896 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4682B552.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO At 8:21 AM -0400 6/27/07, Sharon Henderson wrote: >International diacritics on a Mac are reasonably easy: hold down the Option >key, type the letter it affects (if you want the Spanish "upside-down >question mark" type the question mark, the upside-down exclamation point is >Option + 1... German ess-tset is option + s). Some of them are a little >more involved: because the French accents get the option + e, Umlauts have >to be option + u + e (or i or a...) That is, to type an "e" with an umlaut, type option+u, then type e; to type a "u" with an umlaut, type option+u, then type u; and so on. For typable accents/diacritics, the Mac works on the idea that you type the key combination to produce the diacritic, then type the letter the diacritic goes over/on. Acute accent is option+e (then the letter it goes over), grave accent is option+grave accent key (then the letter it goes over), umlaut is option+u (then the letter it goes over), circumflex is option+i (then the letter it goes over), tilde is option+n (then the letter it goes over), and so on. Note that for these common diacritics, the key combined with option to produce the diacritic is that of a letter most/very commonly used/associated with that diacritic (thus, u for umlaut, n for tilde, e for acute accent, etc.), which makes it easier to remember. >There is a web page that lists them all by language (at least for the main >ones; more esoteric ones can probably be found elsewhere): > >http://www.ccsf.edu/Departments/Language_Lab/accentsmac.htm There is also the option of using either the keyboard viewer or the character palette. The keyboard viewer shows what keys to type to produce letters (including special highlighting of keys used in the kind of additive diacritic combinations described above). So, in keyboard viewer, if you press option it shows you what letters would be produced by each key pressed while option is held down, with the some keys marked a different color to show that they are added to whatever it typed next. The character palette lets you enter any character from any font (including all the weird and wonderful things available now via Unicode) and has a "favorites" feature to make it even easier to insert characters you use frequently (I have thorns, edhs, yoghs, and schwas in my favorites ;-). In Mac OS 10.4.x at least (and probably earlier versions), the keyboard viewer and character palette are accessed via the Input Menu marked by the little flag towards the right hand side of the menu bar (for those using U.S. keyboard, the flag is a US flag, etc.). If you don't have the flag menu, or it doesn't have character palette as an option, then go to System Preferences, choose International, choose Input Menu, then make sure the check boxes are checked for "Show input menu in menu bar", "Character Palette" and "Keyboard viewer". Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, PhD - skrossa-ml2@MedievalScotland.org Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language & more: Medieval Scotland - http://www.MedievalScotland.org/ Shopping Online? 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In-Reply-To: <000501c7b8d5$a59775a0$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> References: <000501c7b8d5$a59775a0$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7a572612-5271-4c72-881a-acbfad148f49 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4682C4D4.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 16:29:00 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RKSwCG025500 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:28:58 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5RKSt5c031762 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:28:59 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5RKSM2b068990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:28:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RKSJvc095759; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:28:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep32.mail.dk (fep32.mail.dk [80.160.76.196]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RKSEwg095601 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:28:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep47.mail.dk ([195.41.46.230]) by fep32.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070627202808.NEDE17394.fep32.mail.dk@fep47.mail.dk> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:28:08 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.4]) by fep47.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070627202808.CYJQ20303.fep47.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:28:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01c7b8f9$dc8dda80$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <000501c7b8d5$a59775a0$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> <200706272012.l5RKCEOf079863@net.indra.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. 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You've made another masterpiece! > > > Joan Jurancich > joanmj@surewest.net > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 16:44:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RKilhA025956 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:44:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5RKijiN017322 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:44:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5RKdBuU070549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:39:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RKcLiu005873; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:38:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.55]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RKbiTH005310 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:38:13 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ms-mss-05 (ms-mss-05-smtp-a [10.10.4.15]) by ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5RKbcCQ020756 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nyroc.rr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ms-mss-05.nyroc.rr.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005)) with ESMTP id <0JKB00F4QAMQTA@ms-mss-05.nyroc.rr.com> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.10.6.29] (Forwarded-For: [64.80.105.22]) by ms-mss-05.nyroc.rr.com (mshttpd); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:37:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:37:38 -0400 From: tigg@twcny.rr.com Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. In-reply-to: <000501c7b8d5$a59775a0$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: iPlanet Messenger Express 5.2 HotFix 2.10 (built Dec 26 2005) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <000501c7b8d5$a59775a0$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: fdaac29a-d39a-48e0-bfbe-ab498a379414 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4682CC3D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Just wanted to > share............. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm > > > > > Leif og Bjarne Drews > www.my-drewscostumes.dk > > http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 19:52:53 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RNqqt8030634 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:52:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5RNqoKP014894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:52:53 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5RNqI1X002615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:52:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RNqC6h086455; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:52:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.236]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RNpswv086177 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:51:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from praxis_729@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.32]) by bay0-omc3-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:51:49 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:51:48 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.19.200 by by109fd.bay109.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:51:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [66.133.199.144] X-Originating-Email: [praxis_729@hotmail.com] X-Sender: praxis_729@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000501c7b8d5$a59775a0$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> From: "Paula Praxis" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. 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You are extremely talented and she is extremely lucky to have you as her costumer. Paula >From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" >Reply-To: Historical Costume >To: >Subject: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. >Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:10:12 +0200 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from www1.indra.com ([209.169.0.7]) by >bay0-mc12-f7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Wed, >27 Jun 2007 09:10:33 -0700 >Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1])by >www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id >l5RGA1sl024141(version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 >verify=OK);Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:10:02 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from >h-costume-bounces@indra.com) >Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by net.indra.com >(8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RG9HbH027801;Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:09:45 >-0600 (MDT)(envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) >Received: from fep35.mail.dk (fep35.mail.dk [80.160.76.199])by >net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RG99Bh027538for >; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:09:12 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from >drewscph@post12.tele.dk) >Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep35.mail.dk(InterMail >vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTPid ><20070627160859.FSRC18732.fep35.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk>for >; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:08:59 +0200 >Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.161.67.4]) by fep46.mail.dk(InterMail >vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTPid ><20070627160858.KICS1379.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711>for >; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:08:58 +0200 >X-Message-Info: >txF49lGdW42U9jM8P+FQomWW3DYJrK/8NIQG1lrgMeR0u3V/73ao5kSRNiOaH3P8 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 >X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk >from[80.161.67.4] at Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:08:50 +0200 >X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist >X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Historical Costume >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >Return-Path: h-costume-bounces@indra.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jun 2007 16:10:33.0130 (UTC) >FILETIME=[B07438A0:01C7B8D5] > > >The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to >share............. >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm > > > > >Leif og Bjarne Drews >www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > >_______________________________________________ >h-costume mailing list >h-costume@mail.indra.com >http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! http://mobile.msn.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 20:34:18 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S0YHBG031422 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:34:17 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5S0YFhm010388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:34:18 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5S0Xbsl009511 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:33:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S0XZ9m016823; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:33:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.collierfam.com (collierfam.com [216.65.44.63]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5RLBigu039255 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:11:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from sharon@collierfam.com) Received: from bob3pc [216.65.44.63] by mail.collierfam.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A0A61C0D0374; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:03:34 +0000 From: "Sharon Collier" To: "'Historical Costume'" Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. 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X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Wonderful! My daughter and I are drooling! Sharon -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:10 AM To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to share............. http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 20:34:39 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S0YcJ8031430 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:34:39 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5S0YaVx028089 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:34:39 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5S0Y4oV009628 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:34:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S0Y3hs017244; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:34:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S0JApH005959 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:19:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cinbarnes@gmail.com) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c28so340758ika for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:19:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=orwdnwwD6U2BNrBCxTH+sqkrz4M59RHJKSaAjfyiKsi0TK4ePVeS/M83UPqgj8/g0m2I3+rZtUDOR1gKepsElsEzpyVUPciqHFT74AqZ+RJqQTinjB/oqmCjStyfbhSHud2lp9WAZoyoodgKPfhJsbWYrajJj71OrT6ML2WC4j4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=FZyB5ruOOCY2K+iF6G4E31P9dwgK0AmhU8+ISx77iBg3Og+YxHHqeg8uYbLA3/J/c9Jg8p5ID7i9ZynfnX8uccaH0t+hlIZEG3C8Ji6FZdMq1JyFY+EJQkitjjgpb5Fa/pGtHIsErovVicZA/BXAJxwlAJqF1IyNL240fY50C4I= Received: by 10.142.156.2 with SMTP id d2mr69043wfe.1182989945855; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.86.4 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:19:05 -0700 From: Cin To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Need a term... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c7835d34-9bb3-452a-8731-3e222347424b X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4683021C.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > On Tue, June 26, 2007 12:17 pm, Robin Netherton wrote: > > "What do you call those sort of bloomers that men wore with hose in > > the 16th c in France. They are rounded in outline, striped, come to > > about mid thigh." > > > > Evidently he's looking for a French term, though if there's an > > obvious English one I'll send him that as well. I love an excuse to dig thru moldy old french dictionaries. Caution, some of these definitions are in older French and the meanings are not necessarily what you might be used to. Others have defiinitions given in Latin. While Thresor de la langue fran=E7aise (1606) is the oldest French-French dictionary, there is an earlier one that gives Latin definitions for French expressions. chausse (Page 118) Chausse, f. C'est l'habillement de la jambe d'un homme ou femme. -- from Thresor de la langue fran=E7aise (1606) Jean Nicot Chausse, ou Bas de chausse, Tibiale, huius tibialis. Haut de chausses, Femoralia et subligacula. Chausses entretenans, Femoralia cum subligaculis. -- from Thresor de la langue fran=E7aise (1606) Jean Nicot CHAUSSE. s. f. Partie du vestement qui couvre les cuisses, ou les jambes & les pieds. On appelle Haut de chausses ou haut de chausse, & simplement en pluriel chausses, ce qui sert =E0 couvrir les cuisses. Et, Bas de chausses, & plus ordinairement Bas, Ce qui couvre les jambes. Un haut de chausses d'escarlatte. mettre, attacher, destacher ses chausses. mettre chausses bas. une chausse de drap. chausses de toile. il a le pourpoint & les chausses de mesme. chausses pliss=E9es. chausses =E0 la matelote, =E0 la Suisse. tirez-moy mes chausses. --Dictionnaire de L'Acad=E9mie fran=E7aise, 1st Edition (1694) >This could be a translation of "la panse" or pourpoint a panseron" >which were derogatory terms for the clothes worn by the "feminine" >gentlemen of the court of Henri lll - "les hommes effemines". >(Although these seem to refer to the doublet, rather than the >breeches or trunk hose.) (Ruppert again.) >Suzi Neither of these expressions, panse or panseron, turn up in old dictionaries, Suzi. Where are they cited? There's the old saying "Apres la panse vient la danse" which means "after dinner (after the fat belly), the dancing begins". The English proverbial equivalent is all things in due time. If this does refer to a doublet, it would certainly seem to point to one for a man who has dined well! You'll see what I mean as you read on. POURPOINT. s. m. Partie d'un habit d'homme qui couvre le corps depuis le cou jusques vers la ceinture. Colet de pourpoint. manches de pourpoint. basque de pourpoint. pourpoint de satin. boutonner un pourpoint. aller en pourpoint. se mettre en pourpoint. pourpoint taillad=E9. -- Dictionnaire de L'Acad=E9mie fran=E7aise, 1st Edition (1694) Pourpointerie. s. f. L'art de faire des pourpoints. Il est vieux. --Dictionnaire de L'Acad=E9mie fran=E7aise, 1st Edition (1694) On a lark, I turn panse into a verb: Panser un malade, voyez Penser. --Nicot, Thresor de la langue fran=E7aise (= 1606) (Note there are no references between 1606 & 1762) PANSER quand il se dit d'un cheval, signifie aussi, L'=E9triller, le brosser, le nettoyer, & lui donner g=E9n=E9ralement tout ce qui lui est n=E9cessaire. Ce Palefrenier emploie la plus grande partie de la matin=E9e =E0 panser ses chevaux. Un cheval bien pans=E9 de la main. Un cheval bien =E9trill=E9 est =E0 demi pans=E9. --Dictionnaire de L'Acad=E9mie fran=E7ais= e, 4th Edition (1762) PANSER On dit figur=E9ment & populairement, qu'Un homme est bien pans=E9, pour dire, qu'Il a bien mang=E9 & bien bu. --Dictionnaire de L'Acad=E9mie fran=E7aise, 4th Edition (1762) Then amusingly, i looked up Mignon just in case there were catty comments... sadly not catty enough to suit me. Le grand Mignon du Roy, Pullus Iouis. B. ex Festo. -- from Thresor de la langue fran=E7aise (1606) Jean Nicot Mignonnement vestu, Laute vestitus, vel eleganter. -- from Thresor de la langue fran=E7aise (1606) Jean Nicot >I cannot find an exact translation of the above phrase, but the >accompanying picture makes it clear that these are trunk hose, as >they are generally called in England. Longer versions, to the knee, >are called h-d-c- "a lodiers". (Sorry no accents - don't know how!) Could this actually refer to britches that are quilted? or perhaps big as a bedspread? Lodier, substantif. m. acut. Est une espece de couverture de licts, qui est farcie de coton, layne ou bourre, entre deux layes de satin, taffetas, toile ou autre telle estoffe contrepoinct=E9e en divers ouvrages =E9s deux endroits, et trop plus tenve que matelas, Lodix, Duquel mot Latin il est tir=E9, Stragula punctis transfixa. --Nicot, Thresor de la langue fran=E7aise (1606) --cin Cynthia Barnes CinBarnes@gmail.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 21:46:42 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S1kfZS000757 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:46:41 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5S1kcJt008663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:46:42 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5S1jwvb019456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:45:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S1jt86064049; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:45:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5S1jqQ2063979 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:45:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elvestoorder@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 74517 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2007 01:45:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=KF0ckoqMzuzq0DR+XgTAX0f87xeLpH1wB5U3acmrMQVj4gtaPkq+1iAC+rLqQqoYmbKMfWIsgHJIl7Dp3fGxMQOJFbv2l1esZ9VKBmZm+WgHcL7M+ke/WP7a1xgoKcptvLX0/HronV+YyktuQ1SG+7wTiwTEw74VZJtmWbgCT/o=; X-YMail-OSG: GJCoguMVM1lPVWYbSbokZsLYUyTr2ir3EBHP57lLEgxw0GIyAuiAPpPKG2vRTmut9V93DEI_izhKJaWDQfupE6oElyg80ul9BbOU Received: from [69.182.135.153] by web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:45:47 PDT Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:45:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Ann Catelli To: Historical Costume In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <573206.74444.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: Re: Need a term... X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59fb85da-1094-48c6-a727-71872edc12ef X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 468312FE.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO --- Cin wrote: > POURPOINT. s. m. Partie d'un habit d'homme qui > couvre le corps depuis le cou jusques vers la > ceinture. > > Pourpointerie. s. f. L'art de faire des pourpoints. > --Dictionnaire de L'Académie française, 1st Edition > (1694) > > --cin > Cynthia Barnes An ancestor of mine was referred to as a pourpointière and also a master tailor of the city of Paris, currently residing in the city of Quebec (en français, naturellment, mais je ne me souviens pas)--this would be somewhere in the 1650-1680 time frame, I believe. The notories of Quebec never lost their records to a fire, so they have many interesting documents surviving to the present day, and some of them are webbed. My sister is the geneologist; I could ask her for the address if anyone is interested in looking at various Quebecois notorized documents. Ann in CT ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 22:23:55 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S2NtYA001797 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:23:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5S2NqdN013965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:23:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5S2KHvE023830 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:20:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S2KFGV085597; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:20:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.192.81]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S2KDFW085506 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:20:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net) Received: from rmailcenter09.comcast.net ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20070628022007m110006di3e>; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:20:07 +0000 Received: from [71.231.95.229] by rmailcenter09.comcast.net; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:20:07 +0000 From: elena_o_tighearnaigh@comcast.net To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:20:07 +0000 Message-Id: <062820070220.24155.46831AD70001CA4400005E5B22007614380809070E029D0E0A0809079BA101A10E020A040A@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZWxlbmFfb190aWdoZWFybmFpZ2hAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e44efff-3192-4ad1-9013-de47c312f9d3 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 46831BB8.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I loved it so much I saved it as one of my screen saver images...I hope that's ok...in fact...I think I'll do more screen saver images using more of your exquisite gorgeous work for my computer.. Gia -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" > Oh gosh, > Thanks a lot Joan........... > > Bjarne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Jurancich" > To: "Historical Costume" > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:10 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. > > > > At 09:10 AM 6/27/2007, you wrote: > > > >>The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to > >>share............. > >>http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Leif og Bjarne Drews > >>www.my-drewscostumes.dk > >> > >>http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ > > > > Sofie looks lovely. You've made another masterpiece! > > > > > > Joan Jurancich > > joanmj@surewest.net > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Wed Jun 27 23:02:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S32tJg002867 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:02:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5S32rge029638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:02:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5S32P74030072 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:02:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S32MuZ013023; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:02:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S32JJJ012910 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:02:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from monicaspence@optonline.net) Received: from your1a4d29f243 (ool-45757a12.dyn.optonline.net [69.117.122.18]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with SMTP id <0JKB00HDISFDBDD0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for h-costume@indra.com; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 23:01:59 -0400 From: monica spence Subject: RE: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. In-reply-to: To: Historical Costume Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4c4c81d6-1077-4c21-b0f7-2122671171e0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 468324DD.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Monica _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 02:04:12 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S64AST008371 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:04:11 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5S64759027233 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:04:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5S63ImD055371 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:03:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S63EAi019909; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:03:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5S63Adh019834 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:03:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from PasoVasz@aol.com) Received: from PasoVasz@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d32.101c80c8 (45266) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.104] (host-24-225-211-205.patmedia.net [24.225.211.205]) by ciaaol-d05.mail.aol.com (v117.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLD054-b0d246834f163c6; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:03:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Susan Data-Samtak Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:03:01 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-AOL-IP: 24.225.211.205 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 53882502-e6d6-4ef0-a5b1-f5c7ccd9ff0f X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46834F57.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne, Magnificent! Thank you for sharing! Susan "Slow down. The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail. Travel too fast and you miss all you are traveling for". =A0- "Ride the Dark Trail" by Louis L'Amour On Jun 27, 2007, at 11:01 PM, monica spence wrote: > > What a lovely picture! Beautiful work, Bjarne! > Monica > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 14:29:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SITUBx027511 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:29:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SITSLn003875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:29:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SIS4uu073539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:28:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SIRqOH087826; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:27:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.212]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SIRlgS087658 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:27:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rharperny@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.161.29]) by bay0-omc3-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:27:42 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:27:42 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 65.54.161.200 by by106fd.bay106.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:27:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [141.214.17.5] X-Originating-Email: [rharperny@hotmail.com] X-Sender: rharperny@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <200706281800.l5SI04pd056541@net.indra.com> From: "R Harper" To: h-costume@indra.com Subject: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:27:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2007 18:27:42.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[03BF1480:01C7B9B2] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2e8d90e9-aa4c-4858-a563-10d130505550 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4683FE08.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > >The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to >share............. > >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm Bjarne, as always your work is breathtakingly beautiful. You should be justifiably proud. Richard in MI _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_June07 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 14:51:56 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SIptOj028123 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:51:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SIpqHi017815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:51:56 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SIjN8d077015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:45:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SIjJM2005791; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:45:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SIjEF9005667 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:45:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.131.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.131]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1I3yzQ-0006kG-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:45:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:46:37 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1f4d519c-06f3-4e02-b7d8-f7e184115326 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 46840348.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Bjarne, let me add my voice to the chorus of praise. Whoever took the picture should also be commended--the colors are =20 lovely, the composition is elegant, and the sprig of purple flowers =20 in her hand to echo the flowers in the foreground is the perfect =20 touch. Please pass along my compliments. It is a wonderful photograph =20= of a lovely young woman in a splendid gown! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:27 PM, R Harper wrote: >> >The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to =20 >> share............. >> >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm > > Bjarne, as always your work is breathtakingly beautiful. > > You should be justifiably proud. > > Richard in MI > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i=92m Initiative =20= > now. It=92s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?=20 > source=3DTAGHM_June07 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 15:09:54 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SJ9rOm028638 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:09:53 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SJ9oME014347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:09:54 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SJ8la8082124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:08:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SJ8jun031636; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:08:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep33.mail.dk (fep33.mail.dk [80.160.76.197]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SJ8g4B031510 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep43.mail.dk ([195.41.46.226]) by fep33.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070628190835.NEVH28354.fep33.mail.dk@fep43.mail.dk> for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:08:35 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.249]) by fep43.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070628190834.LHWR1148.fep43.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:08:34 +0200 Message-ID: <001701c7b9b7$ea6b4200$f96ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:09:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep43.mail.dk from [80.164.110.249] at Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:08:31 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d1a024f7-16eb-4201-98b3-01b9a56dfbe0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4684077E.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Dear Ruth, and all Manny manny thanks for the phraises. I am happy with this dress, also because i know it is going to be used frequently and admired by manny. Ill pass along your words to Sofie. Thanks again Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. Bjarne, let me add my voice to the chorus of praise. Whoever took the picture should also be commended--the colors are lovely, the composition is elegant, and the sprig of purple flowers in her hand to echo the flowers in the foreground is the perfect touch. Please pass along my compliments. It is a wonderful photograph of a lovely young woman in a splendid gown! --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:27 PM, R Harper wrote: >> >The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to >> share............. >> >http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm > > Bjarne, as always your work is breathtakingly beautiful. > > You should be justifiably proud. > > Richard in MI > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. > It’s free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/? source=TAGHM_June07 > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 15:44:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SJiUP2029524 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:44:30 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SJiR7w013921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:44:31 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SJhvxE088464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:43:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SJhrxc069410; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:43:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SJhoaR069346 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:43:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AF143AFB2 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:43:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historic Costume" Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:44:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Subject: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 4810ed76-efe0-4a35-8d01-9dcf024e3027 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46840F9B.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Thank you, De _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 16:39:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SKdulR031020 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:39:56 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SKdrTn005497 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:39:57 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SKcDDt098557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:38:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SKc9Qs024064; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:38:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (apollo.adcom.uci.edu [128.200.141.4]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SKc2cl023865 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:38:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from bazizi@uci.edu) Received: from apollo.adcom.uci.edu (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu (8.9.3p2/) with ESMTP id NAA17867 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HR021.uci.edu (hr021.hr.uci.edu []) by apollo.adcom.uci.edu ([128.200.141.4]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:37:56 +0000 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20070628133143.028b97d8@uci.edu> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:37:51 -0700 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Beverly Azizi In-Reply-To: <200706281800.l5SI04pb056541@net.indra.com> References: <200706281800.l5SI04pb056541@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 306 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: ba7ec803-04d8-47d2-87dc-28ed70880f09 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46841C9A.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Joan Jurancich joanmj@surewest.net _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 17:23:30 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SLNTUm032303 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:23:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SLNQbb011363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:23:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SLKxG7007402 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:20:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SLKvJW066318; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:20:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SLKrZ5066150 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:20:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c90.ef4f3a0 (58435) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:20:43 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Civil War Era gown To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 50e93a0f-df50-41ae-a0d5-b9bbd8edf334 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 468426CE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In a message dated 6/28/2007 4:55:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, joanmj@surewest.net writes: Yes. The boning in the dress is to keep the shape of the dress, it is not to act as a corset. Boning is often used to strengthen the closing edges, whether for lacing or buttoning. It also is used to keep the pointed front (where present) down, instead of having it roll up and look silly. **************** Indeed... though by 1864 you don't see many day dresses with a point or that close CB. Evening is another matter. Usually day dresses have a straight belt-like waist band and/or an actual belt is worn. But in these examples [and in the pointed ones too], bones will be slipped into the double darts on each side of CF, and also CB or on the lower half of the SB seams, since some day dresses have no back seam. Again, evening is another matter. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 18:30:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMUkdw001526 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:30:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SMUhUC029893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:30:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SMU8In019116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:30:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMU4r2029414; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:30:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.235]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMU1Ej029298 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:30:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 67so640546wri for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:29:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NXnefYcs0Ehv0UHNAwGrn0OC7MjkRKOhKy/222jvs0O/AUVIjqRmzzr6tA19goeivF7bUSL8KzdkSPkxY5Fosh/PLAt0kuUlFf675S7tAUa9588IUz+YIz/LsJDVAhYE8U3RcasBUlzi1oQ+g1EtieM+bOi8okVOum0/VoZWqC4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tDNAT1oBAovgHlCHKBBA/JJQzHwnssSPVtdZrMqdIpgIgWUXjicGh4tezCNeqk6ZQfjZU77DKS+Bqhl5TvkXZhRS8uha4biNCVKQQDHZi/SrzoK04k0tJCLcCzaqlFlYzR7Kwv1XgJ9qJHC6nCh/kYC4qry7ILrYa4WcGHEWVUo= Received: by 10.78.37.7 with SMTP id k7mr1226324huk.1183069795153; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.14 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0706281529k668407e5t5dd1c45df5efc0b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:29:55 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0706281528q7d8f559ar974ccfc6c225a120@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <73fb7a5f0706281528q7d8f559ar974ccfc6c225a120@mail.gmail.com> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c9bfa1cc-c152-4835-b176-dd4a309c19f1 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46843693.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Tracht is clothing, and generally clothing of a specific place (now > meaning folk dress) Trachtenbucher of the 16thC were books of dress > of different lands. What is the context, and what is it in a Ducth, > German or Danish book? It may mean to dress the dish;). I've never > know it to mean to try. In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the context is going to be very important. Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 18:54:47 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMskKu002217 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:54:46 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SMsekX011373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:54:47 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SMqoks022443 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:52:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMqmUe048735; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:52:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMqjCZ048664 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:52:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so823144ugf for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:52:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uLvodbuwMOmbV2MLkYZkD7iFC9kRxBJh/0IaWHLFNe7u2/Y5O2wH7Qgd4NsYeqkEOcWfo96cY3SsMLbEQNTTvBYmg+xqmMjkOAYoAT5qEm8fRNnRI2dZsTDU3ZVFW2ltM90uh0iV/cri2nYdEsTlEJShQtCSstjcEckfv6KtPHE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h7O82mQ5Lhh3IEuOEOunKljZb6Wj2CErjJPe/Av5qtDhEDYgdDkqBs/p1agWFsDSxL9fUKPeZRg1gF+qSKmO0e8EvhkGtXL9bH/AqCPLav2AQmtFR/lN51IjWU0jzRyMuMGzIuOfjYbk1ogZPmQVSvj32k5nn7fgvPk6DPLOOhA= Received: by 10.78.118.5 with SMTP id q5mr1250260huc.1183071163697; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.14 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0706281552u3b8914aepee9fa7d4d45decee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:52:43 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Sofie in the garden at Gammel Estrup. In-Reply-To: <000501c7b8d5$a59775a0$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000501c7b8d5$a59775a0$0443a150@CPQ21932199711> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 94f299f7-bae0-494d-a1cc-a1a071dc5248 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46843C30.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > The nicest picture i got from Gammel Estrup. Just wanted to > share............. > http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/t26.htm Exquisite Bjarne:) I was a little busy when you had posted the different ways you were going to trim the gown and I'm pleased you decided on what you did. I really should get back to my own red silk gown;) I need to wear is a week tomorrow! http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 18:58:03 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMw2CG002322 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:58:02 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SMw0VU012496 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:58:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SMteND022785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMteNh051710; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:55:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMtbJ4051647 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:55:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ruthanneb@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.245.173.140.dial1.stamford1.level3.net ([4.245.173.140]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1I42tk-0005M3-00 for h-costume@indra.com; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:55:36 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0706281529k668407e5t5dd1c45df5efc0b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <73fb7a5f0706281528q7d8f559ar974ccfc6c225a120@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0706281529k668407e5t5dd1c45df5efc0b7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A1261C2-6CCF-4EE7-BBD6-11105B1FA107@mindspring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:57:00 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f1946577-89ba-4829-a347-03f214e8a9f9 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 46843CF8.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO My big Cassell's gives Tracht as clothing, garb, costume, fashion-- also a litter (as of puppies), a yield (as of honey). The verb trachten is used in some phrases where it means "try" or "endeavor" or "aspire." "Tracht" as clothing must be formed from the verb tragen, which means to carry or wear. Nothing to do with food. But I'll consult my friend Hannah, who is German and a scholar (and a speaker of colloquial German)--she might have some ideas. --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:29 PM, michaela de bruce wrote: >> Tracht is clothing, and generally clothing of a specific place (now >> meaning folk dress) Trachtenbucher of the 16thC were books of dress >> of different lands. What is the context, and what is it in a Ducth, >> German or Danish book? It may mean to dress the dish;). I've never >> know it to mean to try. > > In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the > context is going to be very important. > > Michaela > http://glittersweet.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 19:06:43 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SN6hZ1002562 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:06:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SN6dgb021726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:06:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SN6MZ1024426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:06:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SN6KhK063153; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:06:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SN6IuY063117 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:06:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so825288ugf for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:06:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=hbFuw7WNPWX/KHHC2Ixi2JoB+Hxe9FYXIWzyWjY91doAbCKE8XJAT8nlwegshKQipmSogTCs8Pvez++FNm/Mn8gz1nQsq78Eqr1nFkYqq77jYX6YhvrWzMP1Pa2ICtFlvVt/WoWX8i5uUTEHtDZ8ePFRi2S8b5N4HIgU9aLi+Pg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Tmqj/3VIS+SZsZdtvIFACi1FLdjPgfJxlKceSDKzXi8Liu3lqtGepF/dEiS7VecgqPm3Gm8syIuezSfDXEPshZy80ya7imdFUN3BEKt3U4z1Bp5e2i4MPRZg1ogEvc8p4iREbDuOUWrh7u1ctRCzRL1Ql4adA7TF1vOHqgC2IYM= Received: by 10.78.201.2 with SMTP id y2mr1250256huf.1183071974804; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.14 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0706281606n4056f106v8b86630b4fd33fe0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:06:14 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Latest project, red and black "German" renaissance X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f015399-3cc6-459d-802e-c798b0af46d0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46843EFF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello all, As mentioned in May I was asked to join the Order of the Laurel in the SCA and have been working on (and stressing over) my gown for the ceremony. I have at least got images and progress to show, but won't have much more until after as time is pressing (I wear it a week tomorrow) and there probably won't be time for uploading and editing of images. It feels a little weird posting about an unfinished project;) I am writing up my documentation at the same time so I should have that after the event too. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Hermann_tom_Ring_001.jpg Inspiration portrait. http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/tag/midwinter For a reverse chronological order of everything so far, Photos of progress so far: http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/728885.html#cutid1 Kranz (wreath), skirt laid flat and sleeves in pieces, testing fit of bodice http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/736609.html Fit of bodice with guards and the pearling of my Haube (caul) and how much I had to undo... I'm worried about the underskirt and ruffs not being done at this stage, but everything else is under control. Except my ceremony. Which I need to organise later today. Michaela (SCA Willemyne van Nymegen) http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 19:59:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SNxhQU004025 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:59:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5SNxfMc025968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:59:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5SNx3wX032004 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:59:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SNwv80006202; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:58:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SNwsje006145 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:58:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so832714ugf for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:58:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=VxUrMT+2wI7+bT2MZqVjjc0YlWEAUkYeR2TEZz3TqdYBds3Hvt49pPfICzCarWRXdd7sjyDmPL8D+10lNqQFOsJBuBrNalSrk1WsU5DZCuBkZBuxAATASGV7KIL6T2ACFrqA0UzxrsjWUQcLMSLEBGkL6jTodC+Xy3cUalPflVU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=D9PTYPtW7SyseKb7JPEvDqsHhqIXP2CtWIfgbPEMjTqf44DpEhtzOsSm3EWQkYgvhbIOVbLbJgbG0VfDbFZJEM72q31BpI+qY2EaspGzbWFPmKfHWqauz291VNuaw6U/DCzetNtAMZk1+ZCvrJUeCHfXZtPRzqwGQCcSde+1Du8= Received: by 10.78.204.1 with SMTP id b1mr1264723hug.1183075131186; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.14 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0706281658l5edd62fbla33a8a5e5d0a76e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:58:50 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Latest project, red and black X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 75698bbc-b966-4e35-9173-5cd789163b86 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46844B6D.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hello all, (Sorry if this goes through twice, it appears as if my first mail is stuck in my sent folder in gmail) As mentioned in May I was asked to join the Order of the Laurel in the SCA and have been working on (and stressing over) my gown for the ceremony. I have at least got images and progress to show, but won't have much more until after as time is pressing (I wear it a week tomorrow) and there probably won't be time for uploading and editing of images. It feels a little weird posting about an unfinished project;) I am writing up my documentation at the same time so I should have that after the event too. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Hermann_tom_Ring_001.jpg Inspiration portrait. http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/tag/midwinter For a reverse chronological order of everything so far, Photos of progress so far: http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/728885.html#cutid1 Kranz (wreath), skirt laid flat and sleeves in pieces, testing fit of bodice http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/736609.html Fit of bodice with guards and the pearling of my Haube (caul) and how much I had to undo... I'm worried about the underskirt and ruffs not being done at this stage, but everything else is under control. Except my ceremony. Which I need to organise later today. Michaela (SCA Willemyne van Nymegen) http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 20:10:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T0ACaM004274 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:10:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T09xbY029029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:10:03 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T09fBA033406 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:09:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T09eW5014094; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:09:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T09aaN013970 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:09:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Debloughcostumes@aol.com) Received: from Debloughcostumes@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.c35.170bf7b8 (29672) for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:09:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Debloughcostumes@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:09:28 EDT To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] the baggy trousers & pants thing X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: f6e7272c-e020-4225-84a2-f980754dadd1 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46844DD7.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I know from past discussions how many of you on the list hate the whole baggy trousers showing the wearer's pants fashion, so thought you might appreciate what I saw on my way to the p.o. today..... there was this chav bloke (burberry print cap, ellesse top, the works...) on a pushbike way too small for him, so his knees were all hunched up, as per norm. on show was not just the waistband of his pants, but all of his pants! his jeans had clearly caught on the seat of the bike as he got on, and he'd not noticed. bit disconcerting to be walking behind him, but couldn't help laughing. sure he thought I was a nutter! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 21:09:49 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T19nAG006010 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:09:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T19k1A016603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:09:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T196Xg042675 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:09:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T193Zc055069; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:09:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.174]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMS4no027827 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:28:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so819157ugf for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d4KuyyitJd29FCykjn0ug6aEqC/rrlxnMzic2JbfmQrIXPNITF0tGfXr2AV50NvBC1TKJ9sYQfxVfvEgc85/1vd3z9WWD3Na/n/uv/6S7bmX1Z1OqnLMUP22ozLvlRz4jVkicE8slJV93czk7C21kUYXzrCTefloWkE+8inY27Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NssgP+4YH/tlG4JoSDPJhW3t/VV/8Er4BIvSOWUH4j7OOeKpHQONr8pbywIDQNhjCx0tM7p3YD1SLpJEGrid/O+Jgsw+1UDNNzWPFta7Ed2BlvitBcGZynHL24yqxTPYmm27vjDgwjKcgNqinbeOAbVNx1eC0ILnuTd98uaIZTk= Received: by 10.78.83.15 with SMTP id g15mr1237688hub.1183069683954; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.14 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0706281528q7d8f559ar974ccfc6c225a120@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:28:03 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: b02f9cdd-7f0e-4520-9b05-3c141690bc33 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 46845BDA.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > Bjarne, do you know of any German, Danish or Dutch food called Trachten? > I have heard this word to mean "to try" or "try to" > but several who are trying to translate a 1500s Germanic recipe book thinks > that is is a food of some sort. Tracht is clothing, and generally clothing of a specific place (now meaning folk dress) Trachtenbucher of the 16thC were books of dress of different lands. What is the context, and what is it in a Ducth, German or Danish book? It may mean to dress the dish;). I've never know it to mean to try. Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 22:44:13 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T2iCQ7008454 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:44:12 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T2iAv7007303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:44:13 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T2haC0053250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:43:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T2haIx012743; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:43:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mail.midamerica.net [216.106.88.152]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T2hXY3012692 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:43:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D7C2E3AF93 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:43:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:43:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0706281547y1b7c1130jed1a8fbcd269348b@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0c7b04fe-cd76-4531-b302-1d2c8422210c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 468471FA.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO In reference to rumpolt. -----Original Message----- > In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the > context is going to be very important. If it's Rumpolt (which I use quite often in experimenting with vegetable dishes) it's a noun anyway, not a verb. http://clem.mscd.edu/~grasse/GK_Rumpolt1.htm Further down it's taken to mean food of many nations. The page on the farmer's banquet suggests it means tradition. http://clem.mscd.edu/%7Egrasse/GK_Banquets1.htm I think it may have to do with dressing the dish. I didn't see anything under the fish section that suggested the dishes were from different nations. But I did see a sauce and other flavourings. There was one recipe that was in a "turkish manner" but that was the only one I saw specified. But then the entire book is not translated there so there may be more regional dishes than there appears. Either way fits in with the usage of the term in clothing. Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Thu Jun 28 22:44:50 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T2inA4008483 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:44:49 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T2ilNc013619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:44:50 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T2eMpK052816 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:40:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T2eJtr010667; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:40:19 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (m08.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.71]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5T2eFCt010590 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:40:17 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cley@juno.com) Received: from m08.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m08.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABDJJ6GSA3UN67S for (sender ); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:39:12 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: QHEuP/IhRKXTJ0EJwxwhgnFh8cz49ZDTG7tVkrQYaTU= Received: (from cley@juno.com) by m08.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id MRDCLAKR; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:38:57 PDT To: h-costume@indra.com Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:36:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [h-cost] Latest project, red and black Message-ID: <20070628.193839.1388.0.Cley@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 1-7,9-53 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: Cynthia J Ley X-ContentStamp: 20:10:3846513495 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 bb33aad3efd397de077edea39fdadf93ebceb3cee77f7be77f67477f67df939ac3f32f6a17c3a3730e6a8ea34bae6ba327eec7eb9beb570a677a7feb47 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m08.lax.untd.com|cley@juno.com X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21b54cb6-028c-49a4-b98d-48cdfe889304 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4684721F.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Warmest greetings and congratulations! :-D When is your elevation going to be? You'll look stunning. :-) Arlys, one of your soon-to-be Laurel cousins in An Tir On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:58:50 +1200 "michaela de bruce" writes: > Hello all, > > (Sorry if this goes through twice, it appears as if my first mail is > stuck in my sent folder in gmail) > > As mentioned in May I was asked to join the Order of the Laurel in > the > SCA and have been working on (and stressing over) my gown for the > ceremony. > I have at least got images and progress to show, but won't have much > more until after as time is pressing (I wear it a week tomorrow) and > there probably won't be time for uploading and editing of images. It > feels a little weird posting about an unfinished project;) I am > writing up my documentation at the same time so I should have that > after the event too. > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Hermann_tom_Ring_001.jpg > Inspiration portrait. > > http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/tag/midwinter > For a reverse chronological order of everything so far, > > Photos of progress so far: > http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/728885.html#cutid1 > Kranz (wreath), skirt laid flat and sleeves in pieces, testing fit > of bodice > > http://pinkdiamond.livejournal.com/736609.html > Fit of bodice with guards and the pearling of my Haube (caul) and > how > much I had to undo... > > I'm worried about the underskirt and ruffs not being done at this > stage, but everything else is under control. Except my ceremony. > Which > I need to organise later today. > > Michaela (SCA Willemyne van Nymegen) > http://glittersweet.com > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 00:48:27 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T4mRsD013259 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:48:27 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T4mOwW031606 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:48:28 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T19bY8042737 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:09:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T19aKL055474; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:09:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5SMkkNs043370 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:47:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from michaela.de.bruce@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id k3so822215ugf for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:47:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=plHR1iIPijcXhS+oanCv3Z2yO75hk1Ead0Z2Z5zyKNnzrTSQLbeiO6DJfjntmzpcjU5abtTrmXCnKGo2bP5xAj8ElG/MHHF8c6CKPlnugnkuqY2BkiECFfu583w1rwVbhhonxA+NgVvShKM1qj4gwTPXWne4xtpss4Mj6cd6s7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rvi5/zw9DXJ+sRMRMUxl3g84xhLvV6oQQEz6t8hSevob5MkhHMsLGL07CZM3MenaK2JKmPypUbOsoZj4QEfFjkAmN5OSSr7sYXa45taJqN+oFrTdrLEiKBVYq668f5jJPrIQCobNtRwXUql7uPPhIWih/lL5sq4vZNC7t2LgJN0= Received: by 10.78.118.5 with SMTP id q5mr1248052huc.1183070828189; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.158.14 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <73fb7a5f0706281547y1b7c1130jed1a8fbcd269348b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:47:08 +1200 From: "michaela de bruce" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0706281529k668407e5t5dd1c45df5efc0b7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <73fb7a5f0706281528q7d8f559ar974ccfc6c225a120@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0706281529k668407e5t5dd1c45df5efc0b7@mail.gmail.com> Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist X-UUID: a4477666-c3c3-40f0-883e-a83559b50223 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46848F18.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO > In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the > context is going to be very important. If it's Rumpolt (which I use quite often in experimenting with vegetable dishes) it's a noun anyway, not a verb. http://clem.mscd.edu/~grasse/GK_Rumpolt1.htm Further down it's taken to mean food of many nations. The page on the farmer's banquet suggests it means tradition. http://clem.mscd.edu/%7Egrasse/GK_Banquets1.htm I think it may have to do with dressing the dish. I didn't see anything under the fish section that suggested the dishes were from different nations. But I did see a sauce and other flavourings. There was one recipe that was in a "turkish manner" but that was the only one I saw specified. But then the entire book is not translated there so there may be more regional dishes than there appears. Either way fits in with the usage of the term in clothing. Michaela http://glittersweet.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 01:07:48 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T57lPm014170 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:07:47 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T57jqo026312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:07:48 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T57EA7070309 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:07:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T57AUK002558; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:07:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.70]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T576WS002483 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:07:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from costumrs@radiks.net) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=radiks.net; b=WAQD4mdhogg5N1o/wcHD7VZHrWjGZYkC+kDQjdYRbvjW3MDgWW2AXoevFtDZdPdP; h=Received:Message-Id:X-Mailer:Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.81.2.225] (helo=pierre-ynmjysj2.radiks.net) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1I48hA-0006hM-J6 for h-costume@indra.com; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:07:00 -0400 Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20070629000519.04837d80@pop.radiks.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:06:48 -0500 To: h-costume@indra.com From: Pierre & Sandy Pettinger In-Reply-To: <200706281800.l5SI04pc056541@net.indra.com> References: <200706281800.l5SI04pc056541@net.indra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-ELNK-Trace: 4dc586d4c2c509b54091741908ea4e5325234a3a243c1acbb841fcc7296631c93be7852a4073772c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.81.2.225 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 6, Issue 305 X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 0771cff1-d497-4743-8984-3fa962d30913 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468493A1.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C.Y. 4971 Andromeda _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 03:35:37 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T7ZZck005378 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:35:36 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T7ZX1f006493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:35:36 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T7Z4EJ087854 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:35:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T7YxIt087011; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:34:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from fep31.mail.dk (fep31.mail.dk [80.160.76.195]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T7YS2s086719 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 01:34:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drewscph@post12.tele.dk) Received: from fep46.mail.dk ([195.41.46.229]) by fep31.mail.dk (InterMail vM.7.08.02.02 201-2186-121-104-20070414) with ESMTP id <20070629073420.GRPT753.fep31.mail.dk@fep46.mail.dk> for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:34:20 +0200 Received: from CPQ21932199711 ([80.164.110.249]) by fep46.mail.dk (InterMail vG.2.02.00.00 201-2161-120-101-20051020) with ESMTP id <20070629073420.LNAE1379.fep46.mail.dk@CPQ21932199711> for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:34:20 +0200 Message-ID: <003b01c7ba20$1757fa70$f96ea450@CPQ21932199711> From: "Bjarne og Leif Drews" To: "Historical Costume" References: <73fb7a5f0706281528q7d8f559ar974ccfc6c225a120@mail.gmail.com><73fb7a5f0706281529k668407e5t5dd1c45df5efc0b7@mail.gmail.com> <1A1261C2-6CCF-4EE7-BBD6-11105B1FA107@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:35:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep46.mail.dk from [80.164.110.249] at Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:34:15 +0200 X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 59133db2-7ee1-468f-aae2-cf674283f543 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4684B645.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m01.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, I am not that keen in german, even i did have german language in school, but could the word "trachten" meen that you kind of "trim" your food? makes it look deliscious? Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Anne Baumgartner" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, > My big Cassell's gives Tracht as clothing, garb, costume, fashion-- > also a litter (as of puppies), a yield (as of honey). The verb trachten > is used in some phrases where it means "try" or "endeavor" or "aspire." > "Tracht" as clothing must be formed from the verb tragen, which means to > carry or wear. > Nothing to do with food. But I'll consult my friend Hannah, who is German > and a scholar (and a speaker of colloquial German)--she might have some > ideas. > --Ruth Anne Baumgartner > scholar gypsy and amateur costumer > > On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:29 PM, michaela de bruce wrote: > >>> Tracht is clothing, and generally clothing of a specific place (now >>> meaning folk dress) Trachtenbucher of the 16thC were books of dress >>> of different lands. What is the context, and what is it in a Ducth, >>> German or Danish book? It may mean to dress the dish;). I've never >>> know it to mean to try. >> >> In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the >> context is going to be very important. >> >> Michaela >> http://glittersweet.com >> _______________________________________________ >> h-costume mailing list >> h-costume@mail.indra.com >> http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 04:53:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T8rSe7016613 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:53:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T8rQY0002317 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:53:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T8qfgD000718 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:52:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T8qc2O030137; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:52:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [193.93.128.31]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T8qXqd030091 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:52:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ingridgs@techarea.net) Received: from kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-3sarge3) with ESMTP id l5T8sNMH004812 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:54:23 +0200 Received: from localhost (ingridgs@localhost) by kalymnos.domenebutikken.no (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) with ESMTP id l5T8sMmH004809 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:54:23 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: kalymnos.domenebutikken.no: ingridgs owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:54:22 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ingrid_G=2E_Storr=F8?= X-X-Sender: ingridgs@kalymnos.domenebutikken.no To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, In-Reply-To: <73fb7a5f0706281547y1b7c1130jed1a8fbcd269348b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <73fb7a5f0706281528q7d8f559ar974ccfc6c225a120@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0706281529k668407e5t5dd1c45df5efc0b7@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0706281547y1b7c1130jed1a8fbcd269348b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:53:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (kalymnos.domenebutikken.no [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:54:23 +0200 (CEST) www.domenebutikken.no: Ta gjerne kontakt for mer informasjon. Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9d4cc991-1d5f-4c1b-a934-4bbb5362f7ea X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4684C886.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, michaela de bruce wrote: > > In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the > > context is going to be very important. > > If it's Rumpolt (which I use quite often in experimenting with > vegetable dishes) it's a noun anyway, not a verb. This may be way off, but in Norwegian we use the verb "traktere", and one of its meanings is to serve food and/or drink. Usually (nowadays, anyway) it implies some kind of extra effort made in the serving, that the person doing the traktering is aiming to please. Another meaning is simply to treat/handle. The etymology is from norse "traktera" from the latin "tractare", as far as I'm able to make out (from the best online Norwegian dictionary; http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/ordboksoek/ordbok.cgi?), the same etymology as the English word "treat". Ingrid -- This email has been scanned for viruses & spam by Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no Denne e-posten er sjekket for virus & spam av Domenebutikken - www.domenebutikken.no _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 05:11:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T9BSxc019198 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:11:28 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T9BQXP006883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:11:29 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T9B3de004342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:11:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T9B2Ll041528; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:11:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T9Avfs041403 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:10:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1320.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.42]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091F3341DF8 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:10:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4684CCAC.7050809@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:11:08 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, References: <73fb7a5f0706281528q7d8f559ar974ccfc6c225a120@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0706281529k668407e5t5dd1c45df5efc0b7@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0706281547y1b7c1130jed1a8fbcd269348b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: a706de61-6f1a-4414-bd89-b1ae771cf51c X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4684CCBE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I think in Dutch it would come closest to trakteren. It's called that when a kid gives something nice to eat to the other kids in his or her class at his or her birthday. It is giving something to someone without that person asking for it. Ingrid G. Storrø wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, michaela de bruce wrote: > >>> In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the >>> context is going to be very important. >>> >> If it's Rumpolt (which I use quite often in experimenting with >> vegetable dishes) it's a noun anyway, not a verb. >> > > This may be way off, but in Norwegian we use the verb "traktere", and > one of its meanings is to serve food and/or drink. Usually (nowadays, > anyway) it implies some kind of extra effort made in the serving, that > the person doing the traktering is aiming to please. Another meaning is > simply to treat/handle. The etymology is from norse "traktera" from the > latin "tractare", as far as I'm able to make out (from the best online > Norwegian dictionary; > http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/ordboksoek/ordbok.cgi?), the same > etymology as the English word "treat". > > Ingrid > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 05:18:31 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T9ITw8019724 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:18:29 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T9IRwX012654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:18:30 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T9I9Pp005232 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T9I8mm045631; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:18:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T9I5X0045558 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:18:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1320.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.42]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5156E341E29 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:18:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4684CE5C.90809@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:18:20 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, References: <73fb7a5f0706281528q7d8f559ar974ccfc6c225a120@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0706281529k668407e5t5dd1c45df5efc0b7@mail.gmail.com> <73fb7a5f0706281547y1b7c1130jed1a8fbcd269348b@mail.gmail.com> <4684CCAC.7050809@kabelfoon.nl> In-Reply-To: <4684CCAC.7050809@kabelfoon.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: d3475c48-9922-4520-baa3-2c1911dc8325 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4684CE63.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO If it is more like German trachten = clothing it may be in Dutch dressing this would mean a liquid to do over a salad... _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 05:38:14 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T9c9Hi021112 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:38:09 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5T9c7Nj014247 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:38:10 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5T9bKXQ008090 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:37:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T9bI9Z056615; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:37:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mf5.socket.net (mf5n.socket.net [216.106.26.222]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5T9bFRg056576 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:37:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from otsisto@socket.net) Received: from CAT1 (unknown [216.106.93.239]) by mf5.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A7DB35BEE for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:37:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "otsisto" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: RE: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:37:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-Rhyolite-Metrics: a.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: be295e0e-ea16-46ec-bb60-9e072193ea96 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4684D2FF.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO The "try to" or "endeaver" is sounding like what it is. Because I am ever so rusty with the German and only tidbits of Norwegian, I did not trust my translation of the word. The phrase: "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu machen" Thank you all for the help! :) De -----Original Message----- On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, michaela de bruce wrote: > > In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the > > context is going to be very important. > > If it's Rumpolt (which I use quite often in experimenting with > vegetable dishes) it's a noun anyway, not a verb. This may be way off, but in Norwegian we use the verb "traktere", and one of its meanings is to serve food and/or drink. Usually (nowadays, anyway) it implies some kind of extra effort made in the serving, that the person doing the traktering is aiming to please. Another meaning is simply to treat/handle. The etymology is from norse "traktera" from the latin "tractare", as far as I'm able to make out (from the best online Norwegian dictionary; http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/ordboksoek/ordbok.cgi?), the same etymology as the English word "treat". Ingrid _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 06:18:46 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5TAIiCs024134 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:18:44 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5TAIf9G029700 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:18:45 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5TAI9vN014727 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:18:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5TAI6jX081619; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:18:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5TAI1Xa081520 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:18:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Deredere.Galbraith@kabelfoon.nl) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (kf-ijss-cb01-1320.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.85.42]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D23341E29 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:17:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4684DC68.7080406@kabelfoon.nl> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:18:16 +0200 From: Deredere Galbraith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 8e0ff46a-ea17-4e94-a19c-b1f629abd4ee X-Miltered: at mailchk-m05 with ID 4684DC81.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m05.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Mmmm I am not so sure. Is this the sentence it is from? "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu machen" I wish my English would be better. If I translate it to Dutch I get this Van ossen zijn 83 spijzen en .... te maken. If Trachten means to try the sentence would be different Van ossen kun je 83 spijzen trachten te maken. It looks more like something you can eat. otsisto wrote: > The "try to" or "endeaver" is sounding like what it is. Because I am ever so > rusty with the German and only tidbits of Norwegian, I did not trust my > translation of the word. > The phrase: > "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu machen" > Thank you all for the help! :) > De > > -----Original Message----- > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, michaela de bruce wrote: > >>> In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the >>> context is going to be very important. >>> >> If it's Rumpolt (which I use quite often in experimenting with >> vegetable dishes) it's a noun anyway, not a verb. >> > > This may be way off, but in Norwegian we use the verb "traktere", and > one of its meanings is to serve food and/or drink. Usually (nowadays, > anyway) it implies some kind of extra effort made in the serving, that > the person doing the traktering is aiming to please. Another meaning is > simply to treat/handle. The etymology is from norse "traktera" from the > latin "tractare", as far as I'm able to make out (from the best online > Norwegian dictionary; > http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/ordboksoek/ordbok.cgi?), the same > etymology as the English word "treat". > > Ingrid > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 06:32:32 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5TAWVTt025124 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:32:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5TAWTHZ004331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:32:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5TAVph9016810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:31:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5TAVo6X090083; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:31:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5TAVjV2089992 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:31:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from H.Zickermann@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 8709 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jun 2007 10:31:39 -0000 Received: from 84.144.65.189 by www109.gmx.net with HTTP; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:31:39 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:31:39 +0200 From: "Hanna Zickermann" In-Reply-To: <4684DC68.7080406@kabelfoon.nl> Message-ID: <20070629103139.292130@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4684DC68.7080406@kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, To: Historical Costume X-Authenticated: #23039962 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1//LRszJkn/vY4A2wnXUTgk2EowRhXNFgk1Xwfa0t L3Z3McFDwmdbBg83xFdhPGEBZwElmZGQ9JbQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 6rvsCyYTbHIhWai3ZjU04WUiJihyalCa X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 2349a7ce-e010-4e2c-b49b-a2257ed84a4e X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4684DFBD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Hi, "trachten" means something like to strive or try to do something, "nach Essen trachten" is being in want of food, "jemandem nach dem Leben trachten" means wanting to kill someone. However, in this context, "Trachten" is servings. "Eine Tracht" is the load one can carry (tragen) at a time from the kitchen to the table. "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu machen" means from an ox there are eightythree dishes and servings to be made." Also, "Tracht" is traditional folk costume. Hope this helps, Hanna -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:18:16 +0200 Von: Deredere Galbraith An: Historical Costume Betreff: Re: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, > Mmmm > I am not so sure. > Is this the sentence it is from? > > "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu machen" > > I wish my English would be better. > > If I translate it to Dutch I get this > Van ossen zijn 83 spijzen en .... te maken. > > If Trachten means to try the sentence would be different > Van ossen kun je 83 spijzen trachten te maken. > > It looks more like something you can eat. > > > > otsisto wrote: > > The "try to" or "endeaver" is sounding like what it is. Because I am > ever so > > rusty with the German and only tidbits of Norwegian, I did not trust my > > translation of the word. > > The phrase: > > "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu machen" > > Thank you all for the help! :) > > De > > > > -----Original Message----- > > On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, michaela de bruce wrote: > > > >>> In Dutch it means "to try" now (according to babelfish anyway), so the > >>> context is going to be very important. > >>> > >> If it's Rumpolt (which I use quite often in experimenting with > >> vegetable dishes) it's a noun anyway, not a verb. > >> > > > > This may be way off, but in Norwegian we use the verb "traktere", and > > one of its meanings is to serve food and/or drink. Usually (nowadays, > > anyway) it implies some kind of extra effort made in the serving, that > > the person doing the traktering is aiming to please. Another meaning is > > simply to treat/handle. The etymology is from norse "traktera" from the > > latin "tractare", as far as I'm able to make out (from the best online > > Norwegian dictionary; > > http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/ordboksoek/ordbok.cgi?), the same > > etymology as the English word "treat". > > > > Ingrid > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! 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Domenebutikken.no: Found to be clean X-DCC-dcc.uncw.edu-Metrics: m; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 81998806-ac77-44d1-a4a7-5b1af8cd9332 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m01 with ID 4684EEA0.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean Status: RO On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, otsisto wrote: > The "try to" or "endeaver" is sounding like what it is. Because I am ever= so > rusty with the German and only tidbits of Norwegian, I did not trust my > translation of the word. > The phrase: > "Vom Ochsen seind drei und achtzigerlei Speise und Trachten zu machen" =46rom this context the word Trachten should be a noun; the sentence translates roughly as "Eighty-tree types of food and can be made from the ox". Unfortunately my German isn't good enough to even guess at the meaning withing the context, unless it's an archaic form of Getr=E4nk used to refer to the broths that are mentioned in some of the recipies... But that's a very long shot, of course. :) It certainly doesn't seem to be costume related like the modern use of Tracht, unless they assume that the hides would be used in dress later. 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Thanks. ~ M. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Fri Jun 29 13:44:29 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5THiQ95014264 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:44:26 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5THiNOw032464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:44:27 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5THfi4I091208 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:41:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5THfbeM061136; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:41:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from MARMOSET.ad.unh.edu (exch5.ad.unh.edu [132.177.152.25]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5THfXO2060917 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:41:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from astrida.schaeffer@unh.edu) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:41:27 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [h-cost] WOT Bjarne, Thread-Index: Ace6QcqANu8fLHlvTkOeLkHXLTwxPgAMpx3A References: From: "Schaeffer, Astrida" To: "Historical Costume" X-DCC--Metrics: net.indra.com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7f547143-8415-4ad9-8b27-e703b5890c07 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 468544F7.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Astrida _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 30 12:09:57 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UG9tup012997 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:09:55 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5UEV8bb001390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 10:31:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5UEUZ1o090725 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:30:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UEUTfT002546; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:30:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.108]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UEUP3P002395 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:30:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wickedfrau@msn.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.138.17]) by bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:30:20 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:30:20 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 216.160.220.183 by BAY133-DAV7.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:30:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.160.220.183] X-Originating-Email: [wickedfrau@msn.com] X-Sender: wickedfrau@msn.com From: "Saragrace Knauf" To: "h-costume" Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:28:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0034.2000 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 07:28:21 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2007 14:30:20.0372 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FCF6940:01C7BB23] X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Racy hats! 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Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:04:44 -0400 To: Historical Costume X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: c07db16c-bab8-4ad6-b5e7-f9916b263561 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 46868D64.002 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO How wonderful! I love the buoyant sense of fun and creativity! Thanks for sharing, Melanie Schuessler On Jun 30, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/2r6r57 > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 30 14:16:45 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIGhvo028025 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:16:43 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5UIGfZH016063 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:16:44 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5UIG1Hr025528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:16:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIFwrb057083; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:15:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from kline-station.thibault.org (komarr.thibault.org [66.92.75.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIFspU057055 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:15:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from cvirtue+keyword+histcostume.aa1b43@thibault.org) Received: from kline-station.local.thibault.org (kline-station.local.thibault.org [127.0.0.1]) by kline-station.thibault.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l5UIH46X015558 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:17:04 -0400 Received: from [192.168.10.250] (192.168.10.250 [192.168.10.250]) by kline-station.local.thibault.org (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46869DD8.8000708@thibault.org> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:15:52 -0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Racy hats! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Cynthia Virtue X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.78 (Hill Gail) X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 7b89e312-1b54-4bd5-8a15-a9fb7598daf0 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 46869E09.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Those hats are fun! (Between all of us, though, I think a hat like those needs hair put up to look best. But maybe I'm a throwback.) cv -- Vandeverre's Emporium: for a subset of your Victorian Second Life needs! _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 30 14:29:21 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UITJ7i029800 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:29:19 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5UITHVp024919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:29:20 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5UIRiLW026868 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:27:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIRhAL064326; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIRepn064297 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:27:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so2312155pyi for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:27:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NRVtv/r915tjoJJVuQUZEiTxf7qXpKmRX6lks5FRjtdM4Rlp4Jxp0BuqvoDpwmx8SMID6lF43iWGGvzz1aX3F2mMRtaxAItq+UB80cLENsxd6Ha2ukpZWrY+1b785JIo4uELImWsBd7YYYmXhKYEP8ityOCu5Ym8NtnCgBrKxJk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gvCq5NkM4Ykee/RbZy9LrSi+jlsbESW7EyAeq+ept5bxbST3MPntY1D/i6o83Z/cfwExYKV3z0QQzs+HSSToRSVSMCCZQN+UUnHjGuD4UU6aPY1BFu0bag38TSHIMUHiO1+zRiT4TZNGkB2bQlTUvJdOuG5LJBMk5Z7J06Ll3TE= Received: by 10.65.219.20 with SMTP id w20mr7054802qbq.1183228060206; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.75.10 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0706301127i6fd546c3jfe6f2d393b0977f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:27:40 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Racy hats! In-Reply-To: <46869DD8.8000708@thibault.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <46869DD8.8000708@thibault.org> X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 21394113-4d3d-44bd-a23f-36cb1bafb943 X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4686A0FD.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (psyche.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO I couldn't access the pictures because I had pop-ups blocked. If anyone else is having problems, temporarily unblock your blocker and you'll be able to find the pictures. WOW. They were worth the search! What fun! Thanks for showing us. LynnD On 6/30/07, Cynthia Virtue wrote: > > Those hats are fun! > > (Between all of us, though, I think a hat like those needs hair put up > to look best. But maybe I'm a throwback.) > > cv > > -- > Vandeverre's Emporium: for a subset of your Victorian Second Life needs! > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 30 14:35:07 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIZ6wA030944 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:35:06 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5UIZ3oG024249 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:35:07 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5UIYg8E028019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:34:42 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIYf4K069242; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:34:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UH5fDv011294 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:05:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from AlbertCat@aol.com) Received: from AlbertCat@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id 6.d5c.b306266 (57365) for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: AlbertCat@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:05:33 EDT Subject: Re: [h-cost] Racy hats! To: h-costume@indra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5366 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 9421a85a-fc99-456f-aaa2-b0ef028a5182 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m03 with ID 4686A257.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m03.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO Ha ha...what fun! But I must say, a lot of hats were not rakishly tilted to the left, but worn on the left side of their faces! The ashtray hat would've looked better on her head instead of her ear! And Ivanna Trumps hat was much better looking than that jacket she was wearing ...yuck! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 30 14:35:33 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIZVFA031079 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:35:31 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5UIZTFE005073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:35:32 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5UIZCTA028133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:35:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIZBtE069671; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:35:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UICd7a054953 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:12:40 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lynndownward@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so2307462pyi for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:12:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=st3as8cy5rJj+rW4caJRsPXYXAd67LtTJiO+aq+GH4k5atvHpjnmZIKuuC1zoqpczCrXDFdOLHcSzIOmxuKEiXGGIbBDblWOV5TgnamYPAuLSQGL5AHYfJuD6wEiY/vtsz1c6pr69g/8IhlkeXGgqcJpAd7aXo4thUvzpfLAHKY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Lb+N6bQBDmwjfonjn/DGvD6eEjp+75t5uBXbrup5WDGO0cH50l10cnsmvI0+WNdZJnjkaGcAVHlInVQycQZMzur66dG5dq9GQAsU5ndDGR7H7V3ylVN/5iBqTIUPEN3CuIgb0SCdEieWg8pRcHQVy6llAcnRX2yzYORFjimc0Oc= Received: by 10.65.96.6 with SMTP id y6mr4964111qbl.1183227159281; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.75.10 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8296995c0706301112g6951c64atd0529e65630e65b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:12:39 -0700 From: "Lynn Downward" To: "Historical Costume" Subject: Re: [h-cost] Racy hats! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 02005dbc-4b53-48ad-9b40-7302f38f0660 X-Miltered: at mailchk-m02 with ID 4686A271.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m02.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO When I use that link I get to MSNBC's general page with about 20 different stories but am not seeing hats or anything fashion-focussed. Can you be specific? LynnD On 6/30/07, Melanie Schuessler wrote: > > How wonderful! I love the buoyant sense of fun and creativity! > > Thanks for sharing, > Melanie Schuessler > > > > On Jun 30, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: > > > http://tinyurl.com/2r6r57 > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 30 14:43:44 2007 Return-Path: Received: from psyche.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIhgq6000581 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:43:42 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by psyche.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5UIheVf001800 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:43:43 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5UIgjwn029154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:42:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIgjXY074380; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:42:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.56]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UIgfsm074257 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:42:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from tigg@twcny.rr.com) Received: from ByrneComputer (cpe-72-230-126-54.twcny.res.rr.com [72.230.126.54]) by ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5UIgVjw026960 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:42:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jennifer Byrne" To: "'Historical Costume'" References: Subject: RE: [h-cost] Racy hats! Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:42:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c7bb46$66b4fab0$367ee648@ByrneComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-index: Ace7I7sQGCR62BmQReieMLbXrRIFXAAIm00g In-reply-to: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: 1a6272e1-2907-4328-b05c-619eafdf79cd X-Miltered: at psyche with ID 4686A45C.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! 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Derby, I must say the Brits really know how to do hats for the races.......There was nothing at the Derby to compare to Ascot! -----Original Message----- From: h-costume-bounces@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-bounces@indra.com] On Behalf Of Saragrace Knauf Sent: June 30, 2007 10:28 AM To: h-costume Subject: [h-cost] Racy hats! http://tinyurl.com/2r6r57 _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume From h-costume-bounces@indra.com Sat Jun 30 16:13:22 2007 Return-Path: Received: from mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (mailservices.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.141]) by sca.uwaterloo.ca (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UKDA3a007729 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:13:10 -0400 Received: from www1.indra.com (www1.indra.com [209.169.0.7]) by mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l5UKD8GF001878 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:13:11 -0400 Received: from net.indra.com (net.indra.com [204.144.142.1]) by www1.indra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l5UKCS2c040823 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:12:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@indra.com) Received: from net.indra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UKCPu5032459; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:12:25 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from h-costume-bounces@mail.indra.com) Received: from mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.100.46]) by net.indra.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5UKCLIH032351 for ; Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:12:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from suzi@suziclarke.co.uk) X-SBRS: -2.9 X-RemoteIP: 80.44.195.209 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=gz8B5i6XALGgBcbMDtQA:9 a=N5BpVSuz1FZBgPyHVeuo3LaKDcEA:4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.16,481,1175468400"; d="scan'208";a="5100506" Received: from 80-44-195-209.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO suzi.suziclarke.co.uk) ([80.44.195.209]) by smtp.tiscali-business.co.uk with ESMTP; 30 Jun 2007 21:13:02 +0100 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20070630210647.0281ae68@suziclarke.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 21:08:54 +0100 To: Historical Costume From: Suzi Clarke In-Reply-To: <000f01c7b8db$4744fa80$60d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> References: <000f01c7b8db$4744fa80$60d9f5dc@user4712b7d135> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-DCC-indra.com-Metrics: .com; whitelist Cc: Subject: [h-cost] Luttrell Psalter Period Query X-BeenThere: h-costume@mail.indra.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Historical Costume List-Id: Historical Costume List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: h-costume-bounces@indra.com Errors-To: h-costume-bounces@indra.com X-UUID: b9740a5a-d435-4702-9622-5a31db408f3f X-Miltered: at mailchk-m04 with ID 4686B954.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on localhost X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mailchk-m04.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.128.232]); Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Status: RO On behalf of a costuming colleague, as I don't know much about this period "I have a query about 14th century hose. Some of the illustrations in >the Psalter show men wearing hose without shoes or boots. Can you >direct me to any information about this practice - or am I just >misinterpreting the images?" Can anyone help - I will pass on information. Also, can anyone remind me how one joins please - my colleague would like to join us. Suzi _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume